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  New Study Explains How Pot Kills Cancer Cells
Posted by CN Staff on November 06, 2003 at 20:52:57 PT
By Steve Kubby  
Source: Sierra Times  

medical A new study published in Nature Reviews-Cancer provides an historic and detailed explanation about how THC and natural cannabinoids counteract cancer, but preserve normal cells.

The study by Manuel Guzmán of Madrid Spain found that cannabinoids, the active components of marijuana, inhibit tumor growth in laboratory animals. They do so by modulating key cell-signalling pathways, thereby inducing direct growth arrest and death of tumor cells, as well as by inhibiting the growth of blood vessels that supply the tumor.

The Guzman study is very important according to Dr. Ethan Russo , a neurologist and world authority on medical cannabis: "Cancer occurs because cells become immortalized; they fail to heed normal signals to turn off growth. A normal function of remodelling in the body requires that cells die on cue. This is called apoptosis, or programmed cell death. That process fails to work in tumors. THC promotes its reappearance so that gliomas, leukemias, melanomas and other cell types will in fact heed the signals, stop dividing, and die."

"But, that is not all," explains Dr. Russo: "The other way that tumors grow is by ensuring that they are nourished: they send out signals to promote angiogenesis, the growth of new blood vessels. Cannabinoids turn off these signals as well. It is truly incredible, and elegant."

In other words, this article explains several ways in which cannabinoids might be used to fight cancer, and, as the article says, "Cannabinoids are usually well tolerated, and do not produce the generalized toxic effects of conventional chemotherapies.

Usually, any story that even suggests the possibility of a new treatment for cancer is greeted with headlines about a "cancer cure" - however remote in the future and improbable in fact it might be. But if marijuana is involved, don't expect any coverage from mainstream media, especially since mainstream editors have been quietly killing this story for the past thirty years.

That's right, news about the abilility of pot to shrink tumors first surfaced, way back in 1974. Researchers at the Medical College of Virginia, who had been funded by the National Institutes of Health to find evidence that marijuana damages the immune system, found instead that THC slowed the growth of three kinds of cancer in mice -- lung and breast cancer, and a virus-induced leukemia.

The Washington Post reported on the 1974 study -- in the "Local" section -- on Aug. 18, 1974. Under the headline, "Cancer Curb Is Studied," it read in part: "The active chemical agent in marijuana curbs the growth of three kinds of cancer in mice and may also suppress the immunity reaction that causes rejection of organ transplants, a Medical College of Virginia team has discovered." The researchers "found that THC slowed the growth of lung cancers, breast cancers, and a virus-induced leukemia in laboratory mice, and prolonged their lives by as much as 36 percent."

"News coverage of the Madrid discovery has been virtually nonexistent in this country. The news broke quietly on Feb. 29, 2000 with a story that ran once on the UPI wire about the Nature Medicine article," complained editor Richard Cowan , who said he was only able to find the article through a link that appeared briefly on the Drudge Report Web page. "The New York Times, The Washington Post, and Los Angeles Times all ignored the story, even though its newsworthiness is indisputable: a benign substance occurring in nature destroys deadly brain tumors," added Cowan.

On March 29, 2001, the San Antonio Current printed a carefully researched, bombshell of a story by Raymond Cushing titled, "POT SHRINKS TUMORS; GOVERNMENT KNEW IN '74." Media coverage since then has been nonexistant, except for a copy of the story on Alternet .

It is hard to believe that the knowledge that cannabis can be used to fight cancer has been suppressed for almost thirty years , yet it seems likely that it will continue to be suppressed. Why?

According to Cowan, the answer is because it is a threat to cannabis prohibition . "If this article and its predecessors from 2000 and 1974 were the only evidence of the suppression of medical cannabis, then one might perhaps be able to rationalize it in some herniated way. However, there really is massive proof that the suppression of medical cannabis represents the greatest failure of the institutions of a free society, medicine, journalism, science, and our fundamental values," Cowan notes.

Millions of people have died horrible deaths and in many cases, familes exhausted their savings on dangerous, toxic and expensive drugs. Now we are just beginning to realize that while marijuana has never killed anyone, marijuana prohibition has killed millions.

Source: Sierra (NV)
Author: Steve Kubby
Published: November 07, 2003
Copyright: 2003

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Comment #80 posted by Jose Melendez on November 10, 2003 at 06:00:46 PT
Marijuana "cures cancer?"

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Comment #79 posted by Jose Melendez on November 09, 2003 at 20:26:18 PT
OK, here's the real link!

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Comment #78 posted by Jose Melendez on November 09, 2003 at 20:01:15 PT
listen for yourself

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Comment #77 posted by Virgil on November 09, 2003 at 16:11:39 PT
Thanks Jose
I hope you can transfer this transcript to a thread that starts tomorrow and keep it all together and link it to the video. I want to put this up at another website so that people might hear our misguided policy from the horses *ss.

This is not all of it is it. Didn't he end by saying we have to reverse the ignorance people have about marijuana. What a champion upside down statement. How about informing them of the truth in the first place?

Didn't he say "The country has gone to hell and cannabis policy was the first road there. In the 70's we began to make it a three lane highway with the fastest speeds." He should have. The idiot thinks we are supposed to be proud at the speed with which drug policy has moved and cannot understand that we would be proud if they had been going in the right direction. We are lost but making great time. What a maroon.

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Comment #76 posted by Jose Melendez on November 09, 2003 at 16:01:04 PT
um uh, run on sentences.
drug czar:

. . . the last several years we've gone back to the uh typical experience of um of two oh of the vast majority of high school students by the time they have graduated from high school they've experimented with illegal drugs. Uh, marijuana is uh, over three quarters of that, of that experimentation.

again uh i think the uh the the question is we don't we don't have uh restrictions on marijuana consumption because uh um of social bias as some people sometimes think, we have restrictions on illegal drugs because they're dangerous and addictive again, um we have to treat 7 million people for dependence on illegal drugs. 60 percent of that dependence is tied to marijuana. Um, the, movement from individuals experimenting to dependence for some of these substances especially as they become more potent as marijuana has, has become uh quite (unintelligible)

Um, uh, the fact that people may dabble in, uh, behavior that's risky doesn't mean we don't have to try to address that, especially when it comes to our children.

Again, look, the the the the t- illegal drug trade depends on two things, we know from thirty years of experience it it depends on initiating young people, while they're still teenagers as they're passing to adulthood to dangerous addictive substances, and the bul- volume bulk of the drug business, is selling drugs to those who are dependent.

No civilized society is going to for any period of time remain that, if it allows the poisoning of it's children, and the selling of slavery, to it's, to, to young adults.

Um, that's what the drug business depends on uh it's not the only but i u the problem of public health in society caused by substances, we know alcohol and cigarettes do as well, but there a hu- over a hundred and ten million drinkers once a month or more frequently.

There are 40 to 50 million smokers. There are only 19 million drug users who use drugs once month or more frequently and 7 million of those we need to treat. Um, again, for people who think well, kind of, the what doesn't pro, isn't prohibition a failure, I would say those numbers show that we've contained some of the most dangerous addictive substances they're still too big, for our, my office is eh charged to help, uh make that problem smaller by the 'Merican people by the President, but um, what kind of country would it be if you had 50 million or 100 million drug users?

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Comment #75 posted by ekim on November 09, 2003 at 15:35:06 PT
your the man Jose -----
Thank you for taking the time to put jpees words on the screen. We all want to see the kids have a good education. That will only happen when History is fully reported. I only hope more of US demand that.

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Comment #74 posted by Jose Melendez on November 09, 2003 at 15:01:37 PT
blah blah uh, umm, blah
. . . the last several years we've gone back to the uh typical experience of um of two oh of the vast majority of high school students by the time they have graduated high school they've experimented with illegal drugs. Uh, marijuana is uh, over three quarters of that, of that experimentation.

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Comment #73 posted by Jose Melendez on November 09, 2003 at 14:53:00 PT
God, he just runs on and on . . .
Drug Czar:

Well the, uh, characteristics of substance abuse tends to be uh, uh, be a, kind of equal opportunity, uh, plague. Um, there is, there is, with young people's consumption a greater sensitivity to, um, uh cost. We know for example in underage smoking that one of, despite all of our best attempts at education which are important, that one of the single greatest factors is when re raise the cost of cigarettes by 10 percent, underage smoking reduces by 7 percent.

Uh, there has been a boom in the availability of marijuana partly because I think it has to be taken as seriously, partly because we've had greater, uh, um, effort at growing it in, in a variety of places including Canada as well as the traditional places in the United States and Mexico.

It has uh, become uh, more widely available and cheaper when I talk to young people in schools, they will frequently uh, ask why i- uh aren't adults doing a better job of protecting us from this, uh, so we need to both prevent have attitudes that prevent use, that strengthen based on the reality and the science, but also we need to, we do need to control supply, dangerous addictive substances are going to make people victims if they are more available, especially to young people.

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Comment #72 posted by jose melendez on November 09, 2003 at 14:21:45 PT
Jose please realplayer jpee and tell us exactly what was said about Slavery and addiction being caused by the herb. And how smoked use will not be allowed. And meds are being developed --only after decades of stalling and other Gov'ts have patented med uses of the plant. He dissed the Hemp plant, I would like to revisit what he said as it was short and went over my head.

OK, but I'm slow at transcribing this stuff, here's the first part of his sales pitch:

Drug Czar:

Yes uh um the, the fact of the matter is that uh from the baby boomer generation on, I think uh marijuana has been seen as a something that's uh kind of peripheral to substance abuse it's been referred to frequently as a soft drug, as a drug that we ought to really consider whether or not it fits in with the other illegal drugs because of their danger.

Uh when we now look at the current state of marijuana its the single biggest area of ignorance people are living in the past today of the seven million people we have to treat for illegal drug abuse, 60 percent are dependent on marijuana yet people, baby boomers on down, believe that marijuana somehow doesn't produce the same kind of dependency it's not toxic like heroin and cocaine but that doesn't mean it doesn't produce dependency.

It's the single largest cause of treatment need in the country by a factor of two the second most, uh uh uh uh, significant cause is cocaine and it, it's, it's half as much of a problem causing treatment as marijuana and, of the seven million people we have to treat 23 percent are teenagers today; and more teenagers are seeking treatment for marijuana dependency than for all other illegal drugs combined it's for the last two years for the first time more seeking de- for marijuana dependency than's for alcohol dependency which is terrible but used to always be more of a problem because of it's greater availability in allowing uh it being used for, for uh uh adults. The fact also is that we know why this is happening.

Marijuana potency the thc the psychoactive ingredient has gone from 1 percent, in 1980, to s- average of 7 percent nationally we now have varieties that go to 20 and 30 percent of because of uh cultivation and because of special, ah varieties that have been uh created. Uh young people are starting younger not 17 or 18 but 13 12 11, and we know from science that the changes in brain chemistry that occur, moving from dep- from volitional use to dependency are more likely to occur the younger you start because the, the, the human brain matures through teenage years so we have to correct that ignorance in order to get both adults and young people to see that this is being taken too casually.

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Comment #71 posted by goneposthole on November 09, 2003 at 11:02:52 PT
time for a change
Marijuana and Traumatic Arthritis by Anonymous

Although I was aware of cannabis as a beneficial substance through my casual use as an artist and musician, it was only when I became disabled that I fully appreciated its wondrous properties.

In 1996 I had a serious automobile accident in which the car I was driving was hit by a semi trailer and flipped over six or seven times.

Although I had no broken bones, internal bleeding or loss of consciousness, the accident left me with severe inflammation in my knees and elbows. The doctor was draining 150 cc's of fluid from my knees with a long painful needle every week. He then put me on prednisone 20 mg a day. After a few weeks it was clear that there was no improvement and in fact it was worse. He added several nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs without success.

The side effects of those drugs (upset stomach , nausea and headache) were so it difficult that the doctor decided to put me on methotrexate. Methotrexate is a very powerful drug used in the treatment of cancer! It is highly toxic and I had to inject myself using an insulin syringe every week. The side effects of headache and nausea were unbearable. I began smoking a joint before injecting the methotrexate and I found this greatly mitigated the side effects.

Unfortunately, my condition worsened and my doctor declared me fully disabled I was introduced to a New York doctor who recommended that I stop taking my other toxic medications and increase my cannabis to three to five grams a day. I reduced the prednisone slowly over the course of two years to 2.5 mg per day! Furthermore, I have completely eliminated methotrexate from my regime!

The typical profile of an arthritis patient is progressive degeneration of the joints accompanied by deterioration of the muscles as well. I have been holding steady, and though my arthritis has become slightly worse, my general physical health has improved and I have resisted all efforts which have been made to put me into a wheelchair thanks to cannabis! The fact that it remains prohibited and patients run the risk of being arrested as they seek relief from their pain is shameful.

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Comment #70 posted by Ethan Russo MD on November 09, 2003 at 10:28:39 PT:

Prednisone is much like any other drug to the extent that it must be utilized wisely. The correct amount in an emergency can be life-saving. Used chronically to excess, steroids can cause ulcers, depression or mania, osteoporosis, or contribute to immunosuppression and death due to infections.

In the future, many autoimmune diseases will be treated with cannabis, since its milder immunomodulatory and disease modifying effects have proven benefit in MS, rheumatoid arthritis, Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis and others, posing a much lower toxicity risk.

Keep in mind that in many languages and indigenous cultures, medicine and poison are synonymous. It is a matter of dose, and the manner in which they are employed.

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Comment #69 posted by goneposthole on November 09, 2003 at 09:37:02 PT
more about prednisone
A doctor wanted to prescribe prednisone to my son. He went for a sports physical. My wife would not let it happen.

Life after prednisone and Embeline-E/Clobetasol

Date: Thursday, 26 December 2002, at 2:01 p.m.

TO Trevor, Thanks for your support and help!!! Everything you warned me of including the failure of the Judicial System and the Texas Medical Board system to police their Doctors failures has ended in total failure. The F.D.A. is a total JOKE!!! YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON OF MEDICINE THAT I HAVE ANY FAITH IN TO TELL IT LIKE IT IS!!!!!

To the people who find this message board, "LISTEN TO TREVOR"!!! to find answers where Your Family Doctor has Failed To Inform their Patients, the TRUE Dangers of the side effects of prednisone and many other corticosteroids. The Drug Salesmen for the drug companies are WHO'S training these Doctor's PER THE F.D.A.!!! If there is another way to get treatment for your medical problems without the use of this very dangerous drug, DO IT!!! Unless your very life depends on it!!!

If you choose to take these steroids and ""it is your choice"", at least take heed from someone with personal experience, "" That includes Trevor""!!! and until you have had those side effects, Then You Will Understand more than the medical society Does.!!!These Doctors Remain Under Educated by the Drug Makers Who Benefit the most.!!! Let's see: If I had been properly Diagnosed with the correct skin illness. The proper drug would have been prescribed. The skin infection of ring worm would have been treated and released by my DOCTOR in ONE MONTH!!! An approximate cost of $250.00!!! INSTEAD!Starting in March,1999 I had 18 Doctor's visits. With MULTIPLE presriptions of Prednisone for 120-days. 11 months of corticosteroid use of Embeline E-w/clobetasol = 11 Tubes of the corticosteroid that occording to an E-mail I ran across from the F.D.A. to the Drug Manufacter warning the drug instructions and interreactions where not acceptable since this drug is safe to take for only two weeks or less. 5 prescriptions of a medication to stop the itching and another medication so I could sleep at night ""I lost count of the number of that drug. Then The correct test ""KOH"", That I had reguested on the first of 15 Dr. Visits.Cost of Test= $10.00. The cost for other skin test that were not needed if the right test had been done. = $250.00. November, 2000. The pain I went Through When I crushed my left hip and told I had a pulled Groin. June, 2001 Another Dr. visit and X-rays.$250.00 August 2001. Dr. Visit to first orthopedic Dr. exspences for a M.R.I.. Second Visit to First orthopedic surgion to refer me to another Orthopedic Surgion, $2,000.00.!!It has now been six months working with a crushed left hip in a very physical job, Finally released from work in July, 2001. But it has been a month now and the M.R.I. reading has not been released so I am still Guessing what is wrong!!! First of September, 2001 Dr. Visit to Second Orthopedic Surgion, He explaines ""You have Avascular Necrosis in both hips and your Left hip is so bad it needs a total left hip replacement. The only facture in you life style and medical condition that would cause this is the steroids you have been on in the past couple of years, but if you take your dermatologist to court I will not stand behind that evaluation!!! also we have to wait until almost a year has past from the last intake of prednisone, before surgery so the effects of the steroids still in your system will not impede your ability to heal after surgery. Extremely Painful Injections of fluids into my left hip to help space hip joints from rubbing. More ct scans. Some pain relief for about three days. I am now on 2 crutches just to go to the bathroom at home.

Mid October 2001. Make out new Will, Power of Attorney, Organ donor release save three pints of my own Blood to avoid infections from someone elses Blood and the medical release to unplug me if problems with surgery turns me into a vegetable. 8 Days in the hospital after surgery. I get to learn how to walk all over again. ONE new metal hip and an 8 inch scar. I almost Die due to allergic to morphine. Put on a less effective pain killer. ARE WE HAVING FUN YET!!!! TODAY IS DECEMBER 26, 2002, I HAVE BEEN IN PHYSICAL REHAB NOW FOR ONE YEAR AND TWO MONTHS, I STILL DEPEND ON A CANE TO WALK OUT OF THE HOUSE AND HAVE ABOUT 35% USE OF MY LEFT LEG!!! I CAN HARDLY WAIT FOR MY RIGHT HIP TO FOLLOW THE SAME PATH. This is just some of the life changing effects of prednisone.The cost of my loss is immeasurable. It has also affected the lives of my entire family. These expereinces I have had to live with and will continue to deal with the rest of my life. THE COST FOR MY EDUCATION OF THE SIDE-EFFECTS OF STEROIDS AND PREDNISONE; MEDICAL $150,000.00 I FORGOT TO INCLUDE THE COST FOR THE DEPPRESSION I HAVE STILL. $2,500.00 LOSS OF INCOME $90,000.00 LOSS OF FUTURE INCOME $1,000,000.00 EXPECTED MEDICAL COSTS FOR FUTURE OPERATIONS $300,000.00 The expenses for her failure $1,790,000.00 APPROXIMATE After being on and off Prednisone for 120 days in a 2 year time frame. Also on Embeline-E corticosteroid cream for 11 months, Both for the wrongfully diagnoised skin condition of Nummular eczema. The Trust I had placed in a Dermatologist and second opinions from 4 Doctor's at her clinic, has resulted in the Total hip replacement of my left hip, Avascular Necrosis of my right hip and Now trouble with my right shoulder joint. I have had to go on Dis-ability retirement before the age of 50 from my job of 29 years and 4 months. Lucky for me I have been OK'D for Social Security benefits.I am not a Doctor, but I have been in contact with Three Highly Qualified Dermatology University Professors in Conneticut, Arizona and in Canada for an opinion of whether or not my Doctor's had performed malpractice in their decision. After more than $8,000.00 in opinion fees,NOT INCLUDED IN ABOVE TOTALS, they were guessing as much as the First Doctor to Cover up her missed Diagnosis of simple ring worm and have advised contrary to their own studies, Medical Differintials and publications in over 300 medical Journals and dermatological educational materials. These highly paid educators are still teaching from obsolete technologies. They are also years behind on the studies of the true side effects of these steroids they are presribing like candy. These studies have been going on know for over fifty years, ignoring the obviuose. Dr.s Failing to report these side effect occurances to the Proper state Medical Officials or the F.D.A. in fear of Investigations into their Medical Practices.or kick backs from Drug Manufactuers which are now protected from lawsuit by the HOMELAND SECURITY ACT AFTER 9-11. In the studies I have run across over the last almost 2 years of research, over 67% of Dermatologist in Texas alone have been sued for medical mal-practice. And according to the Texas State Board of Medical Examiners, not one has lost his or her medial practice. Some of These Dr's just move to another state!!! And continue their Quackery. If you think "" The Judicial System will protect you, You Will Be as miss led AND TOTALLY FAILED as I was in my FAITH in THE SYSTEM unless you are rich and can ""BUY the LAW"". As my Lawyer said to me! "" You have a just cause to sue but it is too complicated for these Doctor's to understand!!!!!! And the Laws have too many loopholes put in to protect the medical society from normal peasants, like me!!!




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Comment #68 posted by kaptinemo on November 09, 2003 at 05:06:29 PT:

E_J, please 'listen' to me carefully
I am not speaking now as Libber. I am not speaking now as cannabist.

I am speaking now as one sentient to another:

Please, for God's sake if not your own, GET OFF THE PREDNISONE!

Here's why:

Did your doctor bother to fill you in on ALL of the side effects? I would speculate that, like my late Mother's 'physicians' (spitting sound), s/he didn't. And your LIFE is in danger as a result.

I am visiting with my Father this weekend. It's a special occasion: my Mum's birthday is tomorrow. We're visiting her gravesite today with a new flower arrangement to put on her headstone. I am writing this on the box I built for him on a Sunday morning...before we go visit her. And I am having a hard time typing now. Hard to see through tears.

She was given the MAX DOSE of Prednisone, 40mg, from 1993 when her Crohn's Disease was diagnosed, to almost the day she died - in 1998. She was also given a boatload of Lasix, and that added to the problem. I hadn't the foresight at the time to suspect the Prednisone, but knew about Lasix and what it did.

I knew that something was wrong years ago when I visited my parent's home after returning from a 'business trip' and found her, practically immobile, no energy, sitting in her favorite chair, barely able to hold herself up. It was then I suspected those pills.

I have had to help medics hold people together long enough to make it to the transport, and know a hell of a lot of biology as a result. Her symptoms screamed electrolyte imbalances. I ran out to he store to get her bottled sports drinks. She felt much better after that. The 'doctors' hadn't given her potassium supplements to offset the electrolytic leaching side effects; in fact, they hadn't told her A DAMN THING! She only got those supplements AFTER this episode, and only then. Does you doctor do something similar...after the fact, so to speak?

I begged her then to get off of the pills, but she trusted the physicians 'advice' and stayed on them...FOR YEARS.

The Prednisone caused so many complications that a normally routine surgery led to her death...and Da said that her last moments of life on this Earth were screaming in agony, begging for someone to help her...and that she wanted to die. She got her wish 24 hours later after lying in a coma. I watched her die. I never got the chance to say goodbye or that I loved her one last time so that she could hear it. I'd like to think she knew, anyway. Mainly because of Prednisone, and all the nasty things it does to a body. She had almost all the side effects listed.

I have related much of by background in the past. Uncle trained me quite well to be a 'policy instrument'. And I was good at it. A 'professional'. And a 'pro' never takes anything personally. Gets in the way of doing the job...which entails continuing to breathe, of course.

But I have never wanted to kill someone as badly as I did in the following weeks, months and years as I wanted to kill those doctors who so sloppily treated a disease that doesn't have to be fatal. Or was so callous with someone with as great a soul as my Mother. My Father had to go see the same doctor who just threw the pills at her to make her go away for an unrelated matter two weeks after she died. Do you know what the fool said? "How's your wife doing, Mr. (X)."


Are your doctors as 'concerned' about your welfare as my Mother's were about hers?

We may never meet, and for all I know you may have an active dislike of me, but I am begging you as is NOT my proud nature, to take the initiative by reducing your Prednisone dosage until you can cut it out completely.

Too many good people are dead because of that stuff.

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Comment #67 posted by ekim on November 08, 2003 at 22:17:24 PT
slave holder worse thing you could call another
Jose please realplayer jpee and tell us exactly what was said about Slavery and addiction being caused by the herb. And how smoked use will not be allowed. And meds are being developed --only after decades of stalling and other Gov'ts have patented med uses of the plant. He dissed the Hemp plant, I would like to revisit what he said as it was short and went over my head. What I am seeing is what I have been reading for 20 years about how the --Tax act was rushed in to law with Lies like these being used. There must have been someone who knew what was happing but I have not read mush bout them but feel compelled to call out jpee. I am no slave. I am not a addict. I will let the plant be used as med , but who decides.John said the law is to stop the children from using therefore stopping the use when one becomes a adult. I am still dizzy from writing that but that is what he said. I have been taught that I have free will and what I do could hurt another, but long ago understood that for me to exist I must allow others to do the same. To tell a audience of hundreds of thousands maybe millions of C-Span viewers that Hemp has no value while our neighbor Canada is busy making and developing the jobs of the future while we are being told by our Drug Czar do not even think about this technology. Man that goes against every thing I have been raised to believe. Mr. Walters it is wrong to tell some one not to dream, John Please ask the young engineers to make the new machines, the chemist that will be needed for the new ag compounds, the paper mills that will start running again, the spinning mills will spin again, we have millions of acres of Public Lands. John remember --what another John said --ask not what your Gov't can do for you , but rather ask what you can do for your Country. Hey John I want to help my Country by letting everyone dream ==you have had your way for 85 years give dreaming a chance.

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Comment #66 posted by jose melendez on November 08, 2003 at 15:22:46 PT
"stressing out with his hands"

After watching the interview again, I think the best word to use is 'wringing.'

Anyone seen a transcript? I think I can answer each one of his arguments AND show patterns of circular logic, deception.

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Comment #65 posted by schmeff on November 08, 2003 at 13:15:27 PT
No doubtabouddit
" people were lucky that I was even able to show up."

We're ALL lucky to have you show up, EJ.

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Comment #64 posted by E_Johnson on November 08, 2003 at 11:35:50 PT
Two things that made me really mad
Two medical marijuana events that made me mad:

1. We want official cultivation guidelines in LA. We had a meeting. Some black community leaders sent a representative who was very new to the idea that marijuana was not the scourge of black youth.

What was the opening of the meeting? A Libertarian who said the purpose of the meeting was to protect medical marijuana because medical marijuana was the key to ending the War on Drugs.

After he said that, the black community leader rep walked out of the meeting. That person was not there to attack the Drug War, people weren't politically ready for that.

Politically, protecting sick people was as far as they were going to extend themselves at that point, and the Libertarian ruined that when he told everyone the "real reason" we were all there was to end the WOD.

2. The second thing that pissed me off was being subjected to the Libertarian Dress Code in a rather unfriendly way.

When Sister Somayah was busted, we had rally to support her outside Arnie's office. Since I'm on prednisone and it has horrible body-altering side effects, I do not have a suit that fits any more. Also, I am barely in shape to drive after I take my dose, so people were lucky that I was even able to show up.

That didn't stop the Libertarian from dissing me for not wearing a suit. That was compassion in action?

Why is wearing a suit so important for a medical marijuana rally?

It's not -- sick people should look sick! Sick people are being dragged out of bed and maybe it's better if we show that. Why should we go to great lengths to look healthier than we really are?

The only reason wearing a suit is important is for legalizing drugs. Libertarians want to legalize drugs. You have to wear a suit to make that position politically credible.

I'm not against that -- but I don't expect to be held to that dress code when I am at a rally to protect sick people.

In what way does it help medical marijuana to pull sick people out of their beds and then demand that they dress like healthy wealthy businessmen?

These two incidents made me question the true role played by compassion in the Libertarian support for medical marijuana.

Hey I know you guys are true believers in your political cause -- but try to avoid yelling at sick people for violating the Libertarian dress code!!!!!!

Not everyone evaluates people on such a superficial basis.

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Comment #63 posted by Virgil on November 08, 2003 at 06:40:38 PT
This article is up at FreeRepublic
The freepers that always attack MJ jumped on this article right away- It has 447 comments and is still the top article in the smokeybackroom. The same few jumped on the article right away with jokes and then did attack the messenger.

In comment16 they shoot the magazine- Poor corkoman, who believes something from a little known magazine(Nature Reviews), that has an obvious agenda

In comment20 the same guy sidesteps and says he shot the wrong messenger- Actually I will take that back about Nature Reviews-Cancer. They seem to be a fair source, looking at their web site. It is the Sierra Times which seems to have an agenda.

Then he shoots Kubby in comment21 because he is a messenger- For the interest of full disclosure which the Sierra Times did not mention, the writer of the article is Steve Kubby, Libertarian Party candidate for Governor of California in 98.

He fled to Canada, IIRC. He does have an obvious agenda and IMO, and would leave certain facts out.

He has also written for Pravda.

They love to play shoot the messenger at FreeRepublic even if they have to apologize for shooting one they later think innocent.

The freepers are as predictable as night, but at least the article was circulated. I put it up in the other messageboard I participate in which is very small. We are the media and every outlet counts. I think I will put it up at hempcity and UK420.

Please circulate this widely. It is a big deal. The Fantasyland Five still remain silent. The media still sucks. Another day of Nazi rule. Same old rut. 2000 MJ arrest today. blah, blah, blah. The only thing new is this article and the cover-up of the cure of cancer.

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Comment #62 posted by The GCW on November 08, 2003 at 06:03:29 PT
synthetic, natural, pill form, they're helpful.
Pain relief Cannabinoid found to reduce demyelinationary pain

A study published in the May 2003 issue of the journal Pain showed that the synthetic cannabinoid WIN55 reduced pain experienced by mice with tumors by about 50%.

A separate study in the April 2003 issue of the Journal of Neuroscience showed that cannabinoids reduce the amount of pain caused by demyelination – the loss of myelin, a substance that insulates nerve endings. Multiple sclerosis is one of many demyelinating diseases, which can result in severe pain and sensitivity to touch.

• All of this information was compiled and edited from the excellent email newsletter of the International Association for Cannabis as Medicine (IACM) in Germany. email; web


It is too bad the U.S. Gov. strives to allow cancer to increase!

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Comment #61 posted by The GCW on November 08, 2003 at 05:24:35 PT
Forbes mentions it.
"A special issue of Nature magazine reported that cannabinoids, the active ingredients in marijuana, are selective anti-tumour compounds, and can kill tumour cells without affecting healthy cells."

This news must circulate.

Company Featured In Forbes Article on Marijuana

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Comment #60 posted by FoM on November 07, 2003 at 21:30:11 PT
I was able to see the end of the show on C-Span. I haven't been able to connect for the Quinten Hardy program. Maybe it might work if I try tonight.

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Comment #59 posted by jose melendez on November 07, 2003 at 21:20:34 PT
Keep catching him lying, and he'll beg forgiveness
"I almost feel sorry for him."

Me, too. Maybe we could help him.

ekim, I have a wav file of the Forbes CSPAN clip.

I'm surprised Walters still tries to use the addicting and dangerous line, since cigarettes have been shown to lead to marijuana I don't see any DEA raids of convenience stores or bars. Maybe he needs a lesson in humility.

here it is:

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Comment #58 posted by ekim on November 07, 2003 at 19:23:28 PT
Jose could you get realplayer to play
Comment #1 posted by FoM on November 03, 2003 at 15:19:29 PT Heads Up: Tomorrow on C-Span at 7 AM ET Quinten Hardy of Forbes on Canada's Marijuana Industry

I would say it was on Nov 4, with FoMs heads up. I say this because that 30 min show only one caller was for Cannabis prohibition everyother caller was against outlawing Cannabis.

As with todays show with jpee every call was against the Prohibition of Cannabis. He said that we control Cannabis because it is addicting and dangerous. Said it makes slaves and addicts of all that use. He keeps talken about the children and never mentions adults having free will.

Does anyone know what is going on this weekend in Madison WI. I got a snip of 1500 people meeting there to discuss the media and how it is being controled by fewer and fewer people. If Gary is reading maybe you know what is going on.

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Comment #57 posted by sukoi on November 07, 2003 at 18:41:42 PT
Thanks FoM, I tried to get to it but couldn’t, but I’ll keep trying! All of you should at least read if not participate in the following:

Should We Legalize Marijuana? (This one is closed, but you can still vote. about 80% say "YES"!)

Another lost war?

Marijuana: A Compromise?

What Is Drug Czar John Walters afraid of? Should he debate marijuana legalization?

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Comment #56 posted by FoM on November 07, 2003 at 18:07:01 PT
Try this link. I don't have good luck with C-Span videos but maybe it will work for you.,WJE;

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Comment #55 posted by sukoi on November 07, 2003 at 17:58:11 PT
Please post a link
I missed it, but would love to see it! Walters getting flustered, YEAH!!!

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Comment #54 posted by FoM on November 07, 2003 at 17:21:23 PT
I almost feel sorry for him. He can't win this one. It's too late. Yup smaller then normal. Glad you liked it!

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Comment #53 posted by Hope on November 07, 2003 at 17:17:53 PT
FoM: Smaller than normal?
Lol! Yes, I noticed that too. He was all "squeenched" up with anger and frustration.

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Comment #52 posted by FoM on November 07, 2003 at 17:11:13 PT
We Are Good
We seem to all study body language. He was not feeling so confident today. He really shouldn't because every which way he looks there is more proof that this is a war on a culture. I'm watching RedRocks now and am fascinated with those who have entertained us over the years and what they feel is important. It's like the way the people thought at the original Woodstock and that makes me happy. What would we do without them I wonder anymore.

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Comment #51 posted by kaptinemo on November 07, 2003 at 17:06:06 PT:

Too bad you can't see the pupils of his eyes
Fright responses cause contractions as noradrenaline, the 'flight' chemical of 'fight or flight' fame, produced by the adrenals, dumps into the circulatory system.

Look up next time, Johnny-me-lad.

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Comment #50 posted by FoM on November 07, 2003 at 17:02:56 PT
kapt and everyone
He looked smaller then normal to me too.

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Comment #49 posted by kaptinemo on November 07, 2003 at 16:59:08 PT:

Walters is expecting attack
Please take a close look again at his entire bearing: Head down, sholders hunched, eyes narrowed, fidgety hands, darting glances, barely a poker face...the man expects to be jumped.

He was able to keep most of his tone under control, but just barely. The truly telling incident came at the very end, with his snippiness in saying that the Criminal Justice major in college should go back and do her homework...after she had safely hung up. Not very brave, that.

His entire demeanor telegraphs vulnerability. And whether he knows it or not, it is obviously noticed by those aware of what to look for.

I'm sure the Captain of the Titanic tried to put on an equally brave face...and had better luck doing so. He knows his position is doomed to eventual extinction.

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Comment #48 posted by FoM on November 07, 2003 at 16:56:50 PT
When The GCW posted I looked and saw your comment and you are right. He was very uptight. We know a cure for that but nevermind! LOL!

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Comment #47 posted by The GCW on November 07, 2003 at 16:44:56 PT
jsm - FoM - E Johnson - test P. boy
Like jsm, in post #25;

I need that observation put into words, when it comes to important TV stuff. I’m not alone, doing w/o TV, and if it wasn’t for You jsm and others when it occurs, I wouldn’t be able to see this.

Walters is a low dude. He’s not one of the good ones. It is much worse than I can put into words.

P. boy is going to realize this goes past hatred. It is spiritually intrinsic… the level that is beyond word descriptive levels of hatred. And it is not Our hatred. He is unpleasing to Our Father. With the levels of displeasure Our Father feels, P. boy will feel more than hatred. The realization of being hated, By His Father, for screwing the whole planet, will bear heavy on His shoulders.

Brothers, if You pray, ask for Christ God Our Father to show You the truth as He wishes for You to know it. Ask for the “spirit of truth”. He will add to what You know. When We get to all know more about this cannabis issue, We will become the crack of activist.

P. boy may start prepping His apology. Not to Us but for Our Father. Let Us pray He does that before Christ God Our Father approaches Him. Pray for Our Father to have mercy on Our brother. Either way.

“hemisphere”? (a post...)

I say We put the “P” where it belongs!


420X10000000Ooo0O o000o o000o



Hemisphere hempisphere;

Cannabis hemp is here.


E. Johnson: “Republicans get sick too”

FoM: # 41: He is nervous.

#42, John Walters looked so nervous! If he was right he would have had a calmer way about him.

Do You think He has what Rush has?

The guy is out of control!

Test Him!

I am not messing around!!!!!! Something is up.

I can not see him, by I sense something.

Test Him!

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Comment #46 posted by FoM on November 07, 2003 at 16:41:53 PT
fiddling fingers
Yes Jose! I was watching his fingers but I didn't know how to say it. You said it well!

fiddling fingers

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Comment #45 posted by Jose Melendez on November 07, 2003 at 16:30:02 PT
fiddling fingers
Notice on RealPlayer how he's stressing out with his hands!

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Comment #44 posted by sukoi on November 07, 2003 at 16:29:24 PT
A debate about the article above
For those of you who like a debate, I just started one about the article above at: A simple, free registration and you're in! It's fun, free and helps to spread the word, so please add some input. This could get quite interesting as there are many different views here about marijuana. Let's see if we can change some of those views! Thank you FoM for posting this article! My user name in the debate is mopar.

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Comment #43 posted by kaptinemo on November 07, 2003 at 16:05:45 PT:

E_J, Specific examples, please
Because you don't want to be accused of engaging in broad you have accused me of doing in the past?

I would never believe that I have the right to *a priori* speak for anyone but myself, simply because I have no desire for anyone to assume that kind of license regarding my own opinions without my assent. If a Libertarian has done so, then I would suggest that you speak to that LP member and address your concerns with s/he.

But don't damn us all for the actions of a few...*you* were the one to take *me* to task for seemingly doing just that last month with my comments about the resurgence of fascism in Europe and specifically Germany, were you not? for a reminder.

I've offered you an opportunity to set me straight, but you have engaged in condescension and insults by comparing me with Nixon...a man who didn't get anywhere near the treatment he richly deserved for what he did to this country; the foundation for the PATRIOT Act was Executive Order 11490, penned under Tricky Dick's watch, with his slime-dripping signature on it. I find that comparison to be both unwarranted and highly offensive.

I offer you another opportunity to correct me using specific examples of my shortsightedness, but if you are unable to do so without engaging in further insults, then there is no need for me to continue attempting to converse with you. You will have demonstrated the paucity of your arguments by hurling brickbats instead of providing reasonable explanations.

The ball's in your court; your serve...

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Comment #42 posted by FoM on November 07, 2003 at 15:55:14 PT
They Stopped It
John Walters looked so nervous! If he was right he would have had a calmer way about him.

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Comment #41 posted by FoM on November 07, 2003 at 15:52:48 PT
He is nervous.

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Comment #40 posted by FoM on November 07, 2003 at 15:43:04 PT
Thank you! I just turned it on.

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Comment #39 posted by ekim on November 07, 2003 at 15:25:53 PT
Reairing Wash Journal on C-span
John Walters comming on shortly. dir tv ch 350

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Comment #38 posted by E_Johnson on November 07, 2003 at 14:37:04 PT
This is the bottom line, kaptinemo
Nobody should claim to speak for me as a medical marijuana patient unless they have my permission.

I do not like it when people claim to speak for me without even bothering to ask me my opinion.

This is a line that Libertarians step over a lot in the medical marijuana movement.

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Comment #37 posted by E_Johnson on November 07, 2003 at 14:21:05 PT
This is what's bothering me
"Talk to me, E_J; what's bothering you? "

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

You will never understand what I mean by this, of course.

I can just roll my eyes and marvel over the constancy of human nature.

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Comment #36 posted by E_Johnson on November 07, 2003 at 14:19:06 PT
Now the truth finally comes out
"A promise to remember who the 'fair weather friends' are. I personally have nothing to do with such after they have identified themselves."

Remember... when?

So you have an enemies list, like Nixon?

You divide the world into people who are for you and people who are against you?

It's always the same, always.

This is very revealing, perhaps more than you even realize.

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Comment #35 posted by kaptinemo on November 07, 2003 at 14:01:20 PT:

Hardly a threat, E_J, just a promise
A promise to remember who the 'fair weather friends' are. I personally have nothing to do with such after they have identified themselves.

As I pointed out, it would seem that some people believe that they may, at will, insult those who have been working far longer than those who have relatively only just arrived on the scene.

I was amongst the first who publicly welcomed you back to this board after your long self-imposed hiatus...or have you forgotten that?

Now, however, you feel that you have acquired the right to castigate those who differ in their opinions with you because of political affiliation. Am I incorrect? Or, is this something more personal?

I mentioned many times before that I welcome debate, and am willing to entertain the possibility that I may be wrong. And I have no hesitancy in admitting so.

I am well aware of your run-in with Libbers and why. I am also well aware of the need to project a business-like demeanor when dealing with the anti world. I can see both sides and acknowledge the values of each position.

But when you unfairly castigate a group of people who have been working tirelessly for us *all* to enjoy the right to have our medication in peace, I take notice. And I puzzle over your motivations in doing so. I believe that those motivations are purely personal. Or are they ideological?

If you wish to, you may use that email addy that I provided originally to debate antis with. I assure you, as some of the readers here have learned to their pleasent surprise, I *do* answer my email. We may converse that way if you prefer. I would like to know the reason why the tone of your posts lately have been, in my opinion, combative.

But, in all fair warning, I am as passionate about this matter as you are about yours, and will defend my positions just as vociferously as you will.

Talk to me, E_J; what's bothering you?

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Comment #34 posted by goneposthole on November 07, 2003 at 13:52:25 PT
who will you believe?
A terminally sick cancer patient who has used cannabis as medicine because they are relieved of the stress from the symptoms or John P. Walters, ONDCCCP director, who says cannabis is of no medicinal value?

Somebody is lying and the other is being truthful. Who is it?

Steve Kubby has survived for 25 years with a rare form of adrenal cancer that should have killed him long ago. Maybe there is nothing wrong with him, he's healthy as a horse, and has believed a intentional misdiagnosis all of these years. Been lied to by a doctor in order for the doctor to benefit financially. The doctor must stick to his story to CHA. Time to put a private investigator to work hired by Steve Kubby's erstwhile health insurance provider to make sure the doctor hasn't defrauded the them.

Once the lies begin, the deception becomes apparent.

John P. Walters lies? Steve Kubby lies?

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Comment #33 posted by E_Johnson on November 07, 2003 at 12:56:39 PT
Is this some kind of threat?
"But we will remember who did the spitting, too... "

What precisely do you mean by this?

Now here we have a problem.

Medical marijuana is supposed to be about sick people.

Is it about sick people, or is it not?

There are sick people who do not agree with drug legalization.

Are you going to spit on them?

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Comment #32 posted by kaptinemo on November 07, 2003 at 11:15:50 PT:

Which party has publicly supported legalization
for decades?

The Republicans? Nope.

The Democrats? Nope.

The Libertarians? Yep.

We've been working towards that goal and others since 1971 when the party was formed. Partly out of disgust with the way that the DemoPublicans have used the issue as a whipping horse/cash cow/police state creator. Fighting for personal freedoms in the face of ever-creeping encroachment upon them by The State.

No other party has been struggling - without much help or support from the very people we are fighting for, I might add - for so long for people's right to toke in peace.

I've been a registered Libber for 23 years. Fighting for that right for 23 years.

A lot longer than many Johnny-come-lately's have. Many of whom somehow feel they have a right to spit on the troops in the trenches that have been slugging it out with the criminal antis far, FAR longer than they have.

A line from Kipling' "Tommy" comes to mind:

For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!" But it's "Saviour of 'is country," when the guns begin to shoot; An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please; But Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees!

Yes, the Libber "Tommies" fighting for all of our rights see quite well indeed...yet we still slog away for those who continue to spit on us. Because ultimately, it'll be worth it.

But we will remember who did the spitting, too...

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Comment #31 posted by Dankhank on November 07, 2003 at 09:44:29 PT:

Crack Hash?
Interesting point ...

Pot is to Hash as beer is to whiskey ...

I hate to make the comparison, but there it is. is a very easy how-to. Pot and cold water ...

It works, I will say no more ... :-)

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Comment #30 posted by E_Johnson on November 07, 2003 at 09:35:44 PT
Everyone lies
Lying is a condition of life, everyone does it.

How can we criticize their side for lying when we do it too?

Steve Kubby was lying when he wrote that article claiming that all patients are up in arms about SB420 and all patients are living in fear.

There are a heck of a lot of people who get sick and need pot who do not agree in any way whatsoever with the philosophy of Ed Rosenthal or Steve Kubby.

Democrats and Republicans get sick too. People with very traditional attitudes towards society, dissent and drugs get sick and need pot. People who believe marijuana is a drug and not an herb get sick and become patients.

This medical marijuana is not just for Libertarians and the movement for medical marijuana is not a Libertarian movement.

The belief in marijuana legalization should not be crammed down the throats of every sick person in the state.

It's called freedom! The freedom to CHOOSE what to believe in.

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Comment #29 posted by Virgil on November 07, 2003 at 09:34:18 PT
What else is different from 30 years ago?
There are 30 million people that regularly use cannabis according to a statement Loretta Nall made on pot-tv for November 3rd. There would have to be close to 100 million people that have tried it.

This was the first article I ever put up at DU. Welcome to those that chose to read this important article from the DU link. Most people here probably see the political and media situation the same as the people that read DU on a regular basis. The view of the corruption and the use of lies and the waste of money and the encrouchnments on freedom are clear when you develop a cannabis perspective. Even if you are apathetic on the issue, there is a lot to be learned by a cannabis perspective.

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Comment #28 posted by jose melendez on November 07, 2003 at 09:20:15 PT

WALTERS: Thank you, Mr. President, for honoring me with this nomination.

I look forward to the confirmation process in the Senate and the opportunity to work with Congress again in reducing the problem of illegal drug use.

As the president has mentioned, our country has made great progress in the past in reducing drug use, and we will do it again. We will especially protect our children from drug use. We will help the addicted find effective treatment and remain in recovery. We will shield our communities from the terrible human toll taken by illegal drugs. And we'll stop illegal drug use and the drug trade from funding threats to democratic institutions throughout our hemisphere.

Most of all, Mr. President, as you have stated so clearly, and it's symbolized by those with us here today who represent millions of Americans working effectively every day to reduce drug use, addiction and crime, our efforts rest on the knowledge that when we push back, the drug problem gets smaller. This fact is beyond question today, even if it is not always beyond denial.

Mr. President, thank you for nominating me to be director of the office of national drug control policy at this important time. If the Senate permits, it would be my privilege to support the outstanding individuals represented here who work every day to combat the drug problem throughout our nation.

Thank you.


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Comment #27 posted by BigDawg on November 07, 2003 at 09:05:45 PT
It is truly sad...
... when the powers that be refuse a public debate.

On the other hand... it makes me feel quite good to see them running scared.

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Comment #26 posted by kaptinemo on November 07, 2003 at 08:57:57 PT:

I couldn't *help* but notice, JSM
Amazing, isn't it?

Antis on the defensive...and showing it. Which can mean many things, but most of all: They are unsure of their positions. They are no longer certain that they possess the high ground. Walter's whining about the paltry (compared to the Guv'mint's billions) sums of money people like George Soros has spent on the MMJ movement is laughable and would have been shot down in flames had a reformer been present to challenge his lies. The nonsense about people 'seeking treatment' (at judicial order, or face the possibility of homosexual rape and HIV in prison) for 'marijuana dependency' was another obvious invitation to be rhetorically bitch-slapped.

Antis..unsure of their position and knowing that we are - millions of us - ready, willing and able to correct his fallacies and lies publicly. Live. Nationwide, in the arena of ideas. No more gravy days of nodding sheeple to swallow whole lies without blinking. WE are out there, armed with the facts, spoiling for a fight and the safeties are off.

Which in turn means, as my old instuctors would have said to them: "Your sh- is flaky, boy! If you don't get your sh- straight, I'm gonna jump in your sh-!""

Johnny Pee got a taste of what he could expect with a real debate. He obviously doesn't have 'the stones' for it.

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Comment #25 posted by jsm on November 07, 2003 at 08:28:00 PT
walter's interview
Did anyone else who saw Walters on Washington Journal this morning take notice of his body language? He was pissed. Lips and jaws tight, eyes narrowed, his face was flushed and he was obviously quite nervous after the calls he received. He was on the spot with no where to turn and his body language showed the internal tension that he was feeling. The callers were challenging him on everything he stated and despite the hostess attempt to help him, it was obvious that the viewers where not accepting his lies.

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Comment #24 posted by goneposthole on November 07, 2003 at 08:24:18 PT
you know how they lie all of the time
When my Grandfather retired, he visited the Social Securtiy offices in the federal building of his nearby city about six times before he was finally accepted for social security benefits. The last time, my Uncle paid a visit to the offices with him. The processing got done that day. Otherwise, he would have received the runaround until the day he died. That is what they were hoping for, too. He was continually lied to and avoided until someone else took it upon themselves to help resolve the problem. It's an age old dilemma. Nothin' new under the sun here on earth.

It's a crooked government we have here in the good old US of A and lying is their number one priority. Yes, it has happened here, too. good luck

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Comment #23 posted by gloovins on November 07, 2003 at 08:17:20 PT
off topic but we still got some straglers
Shorter jail term for 'Blanket Man' 07 November 2003

Wellington "blanket man" Ben Hana has had two weeks knocked off his cannabis convictions but remains on remand in Rimutaka Prison while an appeal is sought against his having to stay in custody till March on further charges.

Hana, 46, a homeless man noted for smoking cannabis in central Wellington shop doorways naked or wearing a blanket, appeared in the High Court at Wellington yesterday appealing against a four-month sentence imposed in the district court last month.

Justice France accepted lawyer Maxine Dixon's argument that some of the charges Hana was found guilty of should have gone to a jury trial but did not.

Police lawyer Megan Ball agreed and said the charges should be quashed.

Hana appeared in the dock wearing a large blue blanket and little else apart from what looked like boxer shorts.

He was sentenced to four months' jail on October 2 by Judge Barry Lovegrove, who said shopkeepers and others were sick of him smoking cannabis in Courtenay Place doorways.

Hana, who lives on the streets by choice, says he is a Rastafarian who smokes cannabis – which he calls "peace" – for religious reasons, and that he appears naked at times to worship Ra, the ancient Egyptian sun god.

His four-month term has expired because of time spent in custody awaiting his district court case, but the High Court earlier refused to grant him bail till other, similar charges are dealt with next March.

Ms Dixon, who represented Hana as a "pro bono" lawyer, said after the hearing that she planned to lodge an appeal to have him bailed till the March hearing. Somebody who was not a risk to the public should not have to stay in jail on relatively minor charges just because the system could not get an earlier date for the case.

Hana told Justice France that "peace" had been smoked by Maori since pre-colonial times and represented peace and harmony.

Justice France said Judge Lovegrove had correctly identified aggravating features of Hana's offending, such as smoking cannabis in shop doorways and his lack of remorse, so the sentence was not excessive apart from the issue of Hana having wanted a jury trial on charges of possessing a pipe to smoke cannabis.

She quashed those convictions and reduced his sentence by two weeks.

Outside the court, Ms Dixon said she had tried but failed to get Hana to seek a welfare benefit and get somewhere proper to live.

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Comment #22 posted by ekim on November 07, 2003 at 08:16:02 PT
National Public Radio
interview with Studs Turkle on how Activest have made this country great.

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Comment #21 posted by TroutMask on November 07, 2003 at 08:00:15 PT
The Crack of Stupid
Now about this "crack of marijuana", or whatever. What about hashish? Hashish is a concentrated form of marijuana with (usually) many times the potency of standard marijuana. And it has been around and used for almost as long as marijuana itself. So isn't hashish really the "crack of marijuana"? If so, what's the problem. Or I should say, where are the hashish crackheads??? This "more THC is bad" BS is really stupid in light of the fact that hashish, which is many times more potent ALREADY and HAS BEEN for thousands of years is STILL NOT KILLING PEOPLE. Hashish is the crack of marijuana, what!?!?


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Comment #20 posted by Virgil on November 07, 2003 at 07:58:10 PT
Bound by wild desire
they are in a ring of fire.

Sam Adams ask What makes things any different today than 30 years ago?

Well, as a cell in the body citizen I know a lot more about the situation than I did 30 years ago and I now find it intolerable and indefensible. I am willing to throw anyone and everyone out of office for not running around the town square naked saying we are being lied to and our freedoms quashed and our government corrupted by this War of Insanity.

In the country, the big thing is the Internet.

The second thing is the total of number of people that have had the injustice of being arrested has reached like 5 million in the last 10 years and they have friends and family.

The third thing is that the big picture points to the evaporation of earnings to workers being evaporated up to the employers or to government that have wealthfare for the employers and stockowners. The class warfare of the last quarter of a century is now evident.

The bias of the media is unsustainable as one outlet for truth will surge ahead of those that play Fantasyland.

Now we are told that at a time when the country had started a War on Cancer they buried the best hope of winning that war and kept it buried for 30 years. This is a biggie and needs to hit every messageboard.

We have prohibition collapesing in on us from Europe, Australia, South Africa, and Canada, and Latin America. It is going to be supernova time.

We have cannabis extracts coming to the UK and then the European Union and then Canada and Australia. India cannot be far behind and they will probably make their own.

The biggest killer is heart disease and as people do not want to die they will turn to omega-3 foods like hemp.

Countries like China that see the US domination led by control of oil in Central Asia will not go petroleum on car parts or plastic anything.

The stuff they say about hemp is true and in China and elsewhere environmental concerns and durability and warmth will be cause for buying and thus growing hemp.

Now over 80% of the people that supported MMJ are wondering what kind of representative government we have when we are not only not being represented, we are being ignored as well as the science that led us to the belief in the first place.

But as for me, what is different. I know it is effed up and I am pissed off and not taking shit from anybody. 1+1=2 and cannabis prohibition is wrong. There is no debate. It is absolutely true.

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Comment #19 posted by TroutMask on November 07, 2003 at 07:56:55 PT
The 30-year difference...The Internet
The Internet wasn't around 30 years ago (nor during Jim Crow). This sudden blast of forward momentum is due to the Internet. The world is no longer fed baby spoons of sorted news. Now, we see and hear all (well, of course not *all*, but you get my point). We are no longer bound to communicate by word of mouth or by trying to get the local paper to run a letter. Our communication is no longer forced through the straw of government approval. Therefore, the truth that our government has been hiding is no longer hidden. So only now the truth is coming out.


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Comment #18 posted by irie-eyed on November 07, 2003 at 07:02:54 PT:

Russo -- A True Pioneer
We are all so fortunate to have someone like Dr. Ethan Russo. A man willing to challenge the mainstream and prove the facts.

Thank You Doctor..........

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Comment #17 posted by OverwhelmSam on November 07, 2003 at 06:51:00 PT:

This Is NOT Your Father's Coffee
Espresso is the "crack" of caffiene. It's 10 times more potent than your father's coffee. It's the gateway drug to alcohol. It's more harmful than we all thought.

Really, how ridiculous do these lies sound?

I'm emailing MSNBC this article and asking them to do a little investigative reporting on the issue.

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Comment #16 posted by kaptinemo on November 07, 2003 at 06:05:19 PT:

Same old lies
A shame that 'truth in advertising' laws are not applied to pols like Johnny Pee; he'd be in prison in a heartbeat. As Bugs Bunny would say: "What a maroon!"


This is why Johnny Pee knows better than to debate us. a one-on-one with any reformer who possesses just a smidgen of the facts could easily defeat him.

And this gets paid from our taxpayer dollars to LIE to us?

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Comment #15 posted by jsm on November 07, 2003 at 05:40:52 PT
Walters on c-span Washinton Journal NOW.

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Comment #14 posted by The GCW on November 07, 2003 at 05:36:14 PT
I am angry.
It's not just the Chemotherapy, & radiation therapy...

It's the surgery to get the capheter... the surgery that must be done, because it wasn't done right the first time. It's the surgery to do it again after a while because a new one is needed.

It is the many spinal taps, that come with the ordeal.

it is needing the tiolet to puke and shit at the same time for days till You suffer like You've never imagined.

If it wasn't for that communication system that Jesus Christ died for Us to have, I would think cannabis prohibitionists should have their throats slit.

But through Christ God Our Father and the spirit of truth, I request We pray and carry Ourselves righteously.

By the way, these last bunch of posts are app. 6:00 AM, not PM.

Brothers and sisters; let's pray for an end to this evil farce, but let Us also pray for mercy on the souls of the evil prohibitionists as well, for I am certain, they no not what they do.

Do not ask that they suffer. Ask for mercy on their dim souls.

Low -low people perpetuate this farce and should be reminded.

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Comment #13 posted by kaptinemo on November 07, 2003 at 05:21:13 PT:

Sam, I'n no Pollyanna
But I can't help but notice all these events taking place at the same time, in such a way as to open a window of opportunity.

Montel..the MS studies...resurfacing of the antineoplastic studies...Johnny Pee making himself vulnerable to charges of intellectual cowardice after not debating Rob kampia AND turning down the Canadian Parliament's offer to testify UNDER OATH.

Events rarely make such a cluster of opportunities available to us. The wind is at our backs, this time, not in our faces. Time to take advantage of it, before the wind shifts again.

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Comment #12 posted by Sam Adams on November 07, 2003 at 05:17:16 PT
I think she took the "Oath of Hypocrisy" instead of the "Oath of Hippocrates".....

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Comment #11 posted by Sam Adams on November 07, 2003 at 05:15:53 PT
unbridled optimism?
I don't know folks, I"m a little less optimistic. What makes things any different today than 30 years ago? This information has always been out there. How long did the Jim Crow laws run before the Establishment decided to do something? 80 years? It took World War II to get a bunch of Americans off their parochial, reactionary, continental asses to reform the cruel laws. Going off to a foreign land and dying together en masse will do that.

Unfortunately, I believe the Prohibition beast will only die in another societal cataclysm. A REAL cataclysm, not a manufactured, mass-produced Hollywood-type event like 9/11. I think it will be a long-term collapse of the economy and the current system of high taxes & Big Government. How about 20% unemployment for 30 years? I think that's where we're headed. Once the Baby Boomers hit retirement, forget it.

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Comment #10 posted by kaptinemo on November 07, 2003 at 05:06:22 PT:

So, Johnny Pee will be on C-SPAN, eh?
(Pulling charging handle back, checking chamber, tapping magazine, letting go of charger, safety off, checking sight pic)

Lock and load those rapid-fire debate weapons, chillun, it's showtime.

And, of course, speaking of debate, if any of us get through, why not ask Johnny Pee why he didn't debate Rob Kampia and hid behind "Dr." (Hipocartic Oath? What Hipocratic Oath?) Andrea Barthwell's skirts instead? After all, Johnny Pee *did* ofer to debate, did he not?

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Comment #9 posted by The GCW on November 07, 2003 at 04:51:10 PT
Cannabis is good; cannabis prohibitionists are not

The M.S. story is big.

Montell’s story is big.

G.W. Pharm’s news is big.

Ed’s story is big.

Cannada’s assortment of news is big.

Alaska’s court decision is big.

The Pro’s only have so many noses to stick in those holes, to keep the dam from drowning them.

And this story that Kubby is writing about is bigger than any story yet, yet gets no attention. Everyone is effected by cancer, since 1 out of 3 or 4 people will confront cancer directly leaving everyone else to also deal with it indirectly. I have been aware of these news items being referred to, by Kubby, and every time I think of them, it makes Me upset.

Cannabis helps prevent cancer. Cannabis helps live with cancer once cancer has started.

The way I read this is that everyone has the potential of getting cancer… if the out of control pro’s have their way, cancer rates will increase… because since We all have the potential of Our bodies having cancer cells form, from not having access in our bodies to what stops those cancerous cells from forming.

All while We have THC receptor sites in Our freakin’ bodies, just waiting for THC!!!!!!!&!

In many ways, it seems as though cannabis was created to prevent cancer, from the original creators plans.

In many ways, it seems as though Cannada was meant to end the prohibition of cannabis, -from the beginning. I have pointed out that Canada is a word that seems to denote cannabis… Even the origins of the word Canada seems to imply such.

It is interesting that cannabis, Canada, and cancer all have the same prefix… as though this is indeed all intertwined in some way.

There are spiritual realities. There is such a thing as perfect timing. There is motion.

Christ God Our Father is not going to come up the looser in this war. Error, terror and deceit, has no chance against eternal levels of truth.

The rich pro’s had better make sure this prohibition stays in tact, because otherwise they will not be able to build houses with 5 sinks in their kitchen, but will only be able to build a house with 4.

Instead of building a house with 100 windows, or 9 toilets, they will be reduced to houses with only 90 or 7. Instead of accumulating 100 lifetimes worth of needs, they may only be able to acquire enough for 90 lifetimes.

Does the man who acquires enough for 100 lifetimes, make it so some men can not get what they need for their single life?

How do You afford Your rock n roll life style? Is it by screwing Your brother?

My brother, that is My son, died of leukemia, in 1997 after much suffering. I was persecuted for using cannabis, which helped Me get through the suffering of Him.

All of this had and still has the effect of directing Me closer to Christ God Our Father and the spirit of truth.

Reading about how cancer may prevent leukemia after having a brother / son die of leukemia, is startling, to say the least.

I will direct My anger to the Lord, so to direct Me to do His will… He is pissed off about this issue as much or more than I am.

With Christ God Our Father through the spirit of truth directing this war, I pray that He would be merciful to the most ignorant amongst Us.

Although the cannabis prohibition –set, is a shitty lot, I ask that Our Father have mercy on their souls, for they no not what they do.

Have mercy, but stop them.

Pray for the spirit of truth as described in John 14 – 16 and in 1 John for it is the sword We must thrust.

Isaiah 44:20,

He feeds on ashes; a deceived heart has turned him aside. And he cannot deliver himself, nor say, "Is there not a lie in my right hand?"

Thank You Father

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Comment #8 posted by goneposthole on November 07, 2003 at 04:50:39 PT
neoplasia afflicts the government
"...familes exhausted their savings on dangerous, toxic and expensive drugs."

Believe me, that is exactly what happens. You do not want to experience the grief and sorrow of the loss of a loved one from the ravages of cancer. What is worse is the 'medical' establishment 'guiding' the 'patient' (read guinea pig or sucker) through the 'medical' procedures that ultimately leads to a death that happens sooner than you think. 'Sick' is not the word to use. Tortured is much closer. 'Quality' medical care is not what you get. Words cannot explain what happens to a person who is suffering from cancer 'therapy'. After the 'patient' has died is when you become sickened with all that has taken place. A sorry, pathetic scene of which you have no control is what you witness. You feel as though you have been a victim of a massive fraud, and you have. Chemotherapy, radiation therapy, etc is a modern medical technique of old fashioned bloodletting.

Don't be fooled, use cannabis.

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Comment #7 posted by kaptinemo on November 07, 2003 at 04:36:27 PT:

Critical mass approaching blast level
In a fission reactor, when you take out *all* the control rods keeping the system from overloading, the result is that critical mass is achieved and the system begins to melt down.

With each new study published, each new revelation, each new rediscovery of old facts, the cannabis prohib reactor is steadily having the control rods of misinformation, disinformation, hysteria and outright lies being pulled out one by one. The core is overheating. A 'china syndrome' is imminent.

It's been mentioned here before that the incidence of cancer had been steadily rising throughout the 20th century and shows no sign of declining in the 21st. It used to be 1 in 4 could expect to get it; now the odds are 1 in 3, and almost certainly will grow higher. The demand for cheap, safe and effective anti-cancer treatments will grow in proportion to the number of victims.

When the knowledge that such an anti-cancer treatment ALREADY EXISTS reaches the level of consciousness of the general public, imagine what their reaction will be when they learn that this medicine which has been proven effective in clinical studies WAS SUPPRESSED FOR POLITICAL REASONS.

Everyone who has lost loved ones to 'The Big C' will want to know why.

And we can provide an answer that damns every hard-core DrugWarrior to the lowest Circle of Hell for having a hand in the suppression of this extraordinary medicine. They will be unable to plead ignorance, as we can point out instance after instance of Federal intervention to prevent objective research. The cockroaches will have no place to hide from the light of truth. And millions of angry cancer survivors and those who lost their loved ones to cancer will have lots of reason to buy pointy-toed use on the ones that scuttle into corners.

As the Chinese curse goes, "May you live in interesting times." It's gonna get very 'interesting' for the antis, real soon.

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Comment #6 posted by ekim on November 07, 2003 at 04:17:58 PT
John Walters on C-Span
On 8:30 est tallking on the dangers of Marijuana. call in 202-3853881 for Dems 202-385 3880 for GOP

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Comment #5 posted by Virgil on November 07, 2003 at 02:54:13 PT
Cannabis Cup starts November 24
Isn't it ashame you have to cross an ocean to smoke a joint in peace? Prohibitionists live in denial- denial of freedom.

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Comment #4 posted by Virgil on November 07, 2003 at 02:34:31 PT
Correct me when I am wrong
In comment1 I said Fox and Newscorp as two of the five big media companies when Newscorp/Murdock owns Fox. The fifth big player in media would be Disney. Viacom owns CBS. GE owns NBC and Disney owns ABC.

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Comment #3 posted by Patrick on November 06, 2003 at 22:10:15 PT
Steve's been very busy...
writing articles like this one I see. Hard hitting information for the masses. Combined with the recent studies on marijuana for treatment in MS, the Montel Williams fine, Tommy Chong's glass capades, & Ed Rosenthal's conviction and 1 Day sentence it is finally time for this Schedule I lie to die once and for all.

Free the Weed.

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Comment #2 posted by Adam1 on November 06, 2003 at 21:45:58 PT:

Thank you Steve !!!
Thank you Steve Kubby for writing & FoM for posting this article. Those ", powers that be" should be held accountable for suppressing this information. This is a country....wait no, continent; this is a continent which is run by lies and deceipt, and those who are responsible for the cover-up need to have their noses rubbed in it before they are indicted; sent to prison; and then forgiven...but only after doing a nice long stretch in the penitentiary and a few years of heavily supervised parole; like they've been doing to all of us who have been speaking and growing the truth for decades. Eric Knudsen Eugene, Oregon / Minnesota

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Comment #1 posted by Virgil on November 06, 2003 at 21:38:20 PT
Steve Kubby hands reform a big stick
This is a big article that would create some real cognitive dissonance in some people that have lived their lives under prohibition.

I am just waiting on Dan Gardner to build on this. He might say that the government position lacks truth and we all know it. Now where is Newscorp, Viacom, General Electric, AOL/time Warner, and Fox informing people that there government has been lying people's lives and freedoms away to support an unwise prohibition?

The Fantasyland Five will chose silence. No silence for me or from me you sorry bastards.

I did pick up a local paper as they were giving them away. They need to come out with a toilet paper edition where people can read them like scrolls. At least they would not be a waste of paper and soy ink. It was another $4.20 day. And you?

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