cannabisnews.com: MMJ Patients Waiting and Seeing' If Program Works
MMJ Patients Waiting and Seeing' If Program Works
Posted by CN Staff on September 08, 2007 at 14:23:25 PT
By Ben Brown, The Daily Journal
Source: Ukiah Daily Journal
Mendocino County, CA -- Medical marijuana patients are cautiously optimistic about Sheriff Tom Allman's zip-tie program, said NorCal NORML Director Dane Wilkins."We're waiting and seeing," Wilkins said. "We're trying to encourage people to participate." The zip-tie program is Allman's plan to streamline medical marijuana enforcement in Mendocino County. Each patient with a state-issued medical marijuana card can get 25 serial numbered zip-ties from the Sheriff's Office.
Each zip tie is linked to an individual identification card to prevent fraud. The zip ties go around the base of each female flowering marijuana plant, allowing sheriff's deputies to know at a glance if a medical marijuana garden is in compliance. If a garden is in compliance, sheriff's deputies are instructed to leave the garden alone. Wilkins said he has not heard of any medical patient using zip-ties having plants seized.Wilkins said there are currently 60 people participating in the zip-tie program."I expect that number to grow by a large amount," he said.He said the bottleneck right now is in getting medical marijuana identification cards from the Mendocino County Department of Public Health.Wilkins said 420 people have applied for a state card in the first six months of 2007, and the process can take up to four weeks."That causes lag," he said.The zip-ties are free this year while the Sheriff's Office works out the kinks. No prices have been set for next year although Allman has said the Sheriff's Office has considered charging $25 per zip-tie, with a half-price reduction for those on MediCal.Wilkins said that cost of entering the program has been a concern for some medical marijuana patients."Many of our patients are on a fixed income," Wilkins said.He said one idea that has been proposed is for the first six zip-ties to be free and the remaining 19 to cost $25 each."They feel like that's a reasonable number of zip-ties, so no one would go without medicine who needs it," Wilkins said.Wilkins said there has also been talk within the community of creating a fund to buy zip-ties for those who cannot afford them.Complete Title: Zip-Ties: Marijuana Patients Waiting and Seeing' If Program WorksSource: Ukiah Daily Journal (CA)Author: Ben Brown, The Daily JournalPublished: September 8, 2007Copyright: 2007 Ukiah Daily JournalContact: udj pacific.netWebsite: http://www.ukiahdailyjournal.com/ NorCalNORMLhttp://www.norcanorml.org/CannabisNews Medical Marijuana Archiveshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/list/medical.shtml
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Comment #132 posted by FoM on September 13, 2007 at 15:41:57 PT
Toker00
You used the word directed but I think teach by example is what your friends did. Like CSNY's Teach Your Children.Parents that want good things for their children and most do make decision at times in their life for reasons unique to them. Some are smart and some aren't so smart decisions but there's no school for parenting. It's a learn as you go thing.
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Comment #131 posted by Toker00 on September 13, 2007 at 15:13:34 PT
FoM
That makes me think back on my friends as they became parents and as they Directed their children. Most would take care of home and children all through the week with very little if any cannabis allowed. On the weekend however, again after home and children were in order, no limits on cannabis and with some no limit on alcohol as well. But come Monday morning, begin again. They moderated their usage to almost exclusively on the weekend and educated their children about both alcohol and cannabis. Some also threw care to the wind and their futures as well. But it was never cannabis that did the damage whether used in front of the kids or not. It was always the alcohol abusers regardless of whatever other drug they used and when they used any other drug to abuse, it was either coke or crystal meth. I know of no one who was destroyed by cannabis but far too many who slammed into the wall of Federal Ignorance, alcoholism and the Prison System. Recently I learned of two who were very careless and are now in Prison for life. It's your choice what you do with your life except where the DEA is concerned. And the glaring hipocracy is that they are trying to stop the least harmful drug but it's costing them more than any other drug to "pretend" to prohibit and causes the absolute most harm to the least criminal. I want to curse real loud right now.Toke.
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Comment #130 posted by FoM on September 13, 2007 at 11:13:02 PT
whig
One more thing. When I say it's a fact it is because I have observed how babies can change values. Most parents want to be good examples to their children and that would make them stop drinking, smoking or using marijuana. I believe many parents haven't done it the way I've said but it does happen. It takes a lot of concentration to keep up with little ones.
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Comment #129 posted by FoM on September 13, 2007 at 10:06:33 PT
whig
What I am saying is somethings change when a person has children. I am not condemning just stating a fact.
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Comment #128 posted by whig on September 13, 2007 at 09:50:39 PT
FoM
I don't see any more problem with using cannabis in front of children than drinking alcohol in front of children.
That doesn't mean giving cannabis or alcohol to children, of course. The only concern might be with some sort of "turn in your parents" DARE-style program, I think.
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Comment #127 posted by FoM on September 13, 2007 at 06:24:22 PT
BGreen
I understand what you are saying but I know many people avoid marijuana except for special times that have children in the home. The reasons have always been because of setting a good example for the children. Children do change things for many people.PS: There won't be a tour in Ohio by Neil. Maybe he will do a tour in the spring to hit some of the states that he is missing during this tour. At least we get a new cd in October so I'll be happy with that. I'm just glad he is well enough to tour anywhere.
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Comment #126 posted by BGreen on September 12, 2007 at 22:00:56 PT
Exactly, FoM
"There are times in life when a person wouldn't want to smoke much if any I would think."For me, there's a name for those times ... it's called "being asleep." LOLThe Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #125 posted by whig on September 12, 2007 at 21:33:16 PT
Commonsense
I really appreciate your point of view, and understand how in your profession the use of cannabis may be detrimental and if you did use it, to admit such use might affect your life in negative ways. Which is not to suggest that you are being anything but completely candid about your situation, only that there is an impediment to open conversations about cannabis use in general.I also know that it can help some people in ways that others do not find interesting or helpful. Some people go straight to sleep. I'd wish for that effect sometimes.
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Comment #124 posted by Toker00 on September 12, 2007 at 20:50:53 PT
commonsense
Are you aware that societies existed in the past that became peaceful societies around the use of Cannabis and then were destroyed by warring nations who saw them as weak? Once Cannabis was removed from these societies, they became warring people again. Much to the glee of the Elite of the time I'm sure...If cannabis use spread worldwide instead of wars it could change the way we relate to one another. No doubt in my mind. And maybe not. But we should try, no? Wouldn't it be great if Cannabis was available to everyone who are now using legal medications and substances for recreation that are damaging and killing them? People are friendlier when they don't hurt so much. People smile more when they are Healthy. Mood elevation verses alcohol induced depression? Medicine compatible to the human body instead of resistant? I'm just fantasizing here, but that is all they leave us with. Legalizing Cannabis would at least give us a chance to prove our theories. They have tried for seventy years to prove theirs and they have failed miserably. Now it's our turn to try, yes no? Toke.
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Comment #123 posted by FoM on September 12, 2007 at 19:54:04 PT
Commonsense
That makes sense to me. I can't imagine getting in an argument about marijuana. There are times in life when a person wouldn't want to smoke much if any I would think.
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Comment #122 posted by Commonsense on September 12, 2007 at 19:32:20 PT
Maybe so....
Maybe so. I'd just be happy to see a little less of the "us against them" thing we have going on now in our society. There will be a lot of benefits, but I don't know about profound changes in the way we resolve our differences after marijuana is legalized. Maybe I'm all wrong about this and I hope I don't offend anyone here, but I really don't see a profound difference in the way marijuana smokers resolve their differences relative to the way non-marijuana smokers resolve their differences. There are good people that smoke it and bad people that smoke it, just like there are good people and bad people who don't smoke it. And you can replace the word "good" in that sentence with the word "reasonable" or just about any other descriptor. I'm a criminal defense attorney. A high percentage of my clients smoke marijuana. A lot of them pick some pretty rotten ways to try to resolve their differences, if they try at all, even the marijuana smokers. I see the same sort of thing outside of my work, but I must admit I don't actually spend that much time with marijuana smokers outside of work. I'm a married guy in his forties with young children that works all the time and spends what little time he has left with his family, and I prefer to do that without the benefit or impediment of any intoxicants. My wife doesn't smoke marijuana, not because she has anything against it but she doesn't really like the way it makes her feel. I smoked plenty in the past, but I must admit it's not something I do just a whole lot anymore. It makes me a bigger scatterbrain than I am naturally. It makes me just kind of zone out and go off into my own little world. I don't have much time for video games and banging on my guitar anymore, and that's about all I'm good for when I get high, so I pretty much leave it alone. I don't subscribe to the belief that if we could all just smoke a joint we'd all get along better. I'm a better communicator when I'm not high. I don't think marijuana use contributes to violence or meanness, and in fact I think it probably does calm folks down to where they are less likely to be mean or violent when they are under its effects. But, I do not envision a world where everyone all of the sudden starts smoking marijuana and stays high all the time. I really don't think marijuana use will go up that much when it is legalized. Most people who want to try it have tried it. Most people who really like it haven't let the silly laws against it keep them from continuing their use. Believe it or not, a lot of people who have smoked marijuana really don't care for it that much. And a lot of people who like it find that for them the negatives of smoking marijuana outweigh the positives. For some people for instance it's a little more debilitating than it is for others. I was always a lightweight when it came to weed. Some find that they have difficulty moderating their use. Some find it makes them kind of scatterbrained and/or anxious and it hampers their enjoyment of social situations, their ability to have quality interaction with others, etc. Marijuana is one of those things that really seems to affect different people differently. Some love it. Some hate it. Some are indifferent about it. I tend to think that the reason such a small percentage of people are heavy marijuana users or even continue to use it all throughout their lives is that only a relatively small percentage of people like it enough to use it all the time. We see the same patterns of use even in Holland where it is virtually legal. A lot of young people try it. Few become particularly heavy users or continue to smoke it throughout their lives. The laws don't really have much effect on that. I just don't see a huge lasting change in the number of people who smoke marijuana after it is legalized. Most people who would smoke marijuana if it were legal tomorrow already smoke it today.
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Comment #121 posted by FoM on September 12, 2007 at 18:37:52 PT
Toker00
I wondered immediately about the air problem. People would be in the air too and inhaled. That's not good either.
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Comment #120 posted by Toker00 on September 12, 2007 at 18:28:45 PT
OT: First Responders to Government:
"You make me sick!" http://discovermagazine.com/2007/oct/the-9-11-cover-upMSM article.Toke.
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Comment #119 posted by whig on September 12, 2007 at 18:15:50 PT
Or should I have spelled it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceteris_paribus
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Comment #118 posted by whig on September 12, 2007 at 18:14:45 PT
Commonsense
Cetera paribis, you're right.I think that ending cannabis prohibition will have a profoundly positive effect on the entire political system, by encouraging peaceful resolution of our differences instead of violence.
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Comment #117 posted by FoM on September 12, 2007 at 18:11:06 PT
Commonsense
You're not jaded. Back in the 70s they were talking about names for marijuana for tobacco companies or at least I heard it somewhere. Mass production would take hold. That's the way it will go but gardening is an activity for many people and I believe there would always be a small market for quality organically certified medicinal grade cannabis or extract. Mass production can't do that as well I would think. People can grow tobacco and smoke it if they want to bother with it can't they?
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Comment #116 posted by Commonsense on September 12, 2007 at 18:03:18 PT
FoM
I'm looking in my crystal ball but that part's still hazy. There will be a lot of opposition to that by people who will say that allowing people to grow their own will contribute to a big black market. Really mostly what they’d be concerned about are tax revenues. Personally, I don't think most people would grow their own even if it was allowed. Most people who smoke marijuana don't smoke enough to justify the time and effort it takes to grow, harvest, dry and cure it. If they could get it at the store I think most would just pop on down and buy a little when they want it. Who brews their own beer? I did it a couple of times but found it too much of a pain in the butt. I think a lot of folks who try to grow their own will reach the same conclusion when the spider mites hit or mold spoils their buds, or whatever. I hope they allow people to grow their own. Maybe we'll see some states that allow it and some states that don't, like we see with homebrewing beer today. That's not allowed everywhere. One thing I think we might see is a big market for hashish, if the powers that be aren't too afraid of it. We seem to love to process the heck out of crap in this country. I could see folks at Monsanto genetically engineering crops that have a good fiber content and/or that are heavy producers of good oil seed that also produce reasonable amounts of THC. Then they could mechanically harvest those plants, and mechanically separate the resin to be blended with fillers and preservatives and all kinds of other crap and they'd also be able to use the seeds and or fiber for other purposes. They'd put out some mediocre product like the mass produced beers we see today that is uniform and has an unnaturally long shelf life. They'd market it like they do our crappy beer and people who'd buy it would get use to it and not know there is anything better, just like the average beer consumer today. I'm jaded aren't I?
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Comment #115 posted by FoM on September 12, 2007 at 18:00:36 PT
Commonsense
We can hope more retire soon. It seems there have been a few retiring recently. I am happy about that.
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Comment #114 posted by Commonsense on September 12, 2007 at 17:48:06 PT
Movers and "Shacklers"
“movers and shaklers”That’s an interesting typo. Maybe I should have spelled it “shacklers,” but of course I meant to say “movers and shakers.” It is interesting to note though that the average age of the Senate Judiciary Committee is 63, and the average age of the Senate Judiciary Committee's Subcommittee on Illegal Drugs and Crime is 66. Pre-Boomers are still the big “shacklers” in the Senate. Most of the Senate in general for that matter were born before the Baby Boom.
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Comment #113 posted by FoM on September 12, 2007 at 17:46:11 PT
Commonsense
Will they allow people to grow a little of their own when it's legal like people can make beer?
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Comment #112 posted by Commonsense on September 12, 2007 at 17:36:20 PT
museman---Older Folks
Baby Boomers are the majority in Congress now, but not by a lot, and older politicians still dominate both houses. They're the senior politicians, the real movers and shaklers. They still dominate the important committees. They still set the agenda. The older politicians still are the most important voices in the selection process for who will get the nod to run for important offices like the office of the president. It may seem like Boomers are running this country, but we aren't quite there yet. We're the seeing power shift now, but Boomers are really just now starting to take over the reins in government.I wouldn't argue and I hope it didn't appear that I was arguing that Boomers will "get their sh-t together in their old age." That's not going to happen, or at least not in the way you want it to happen. Greed, consumerism, pettiness, that's all going to remain. I tend to think that's just human nature which hasn't changed much since the beginning of time and isn't likely to change much anytime in the next few millennia. What will change in the not too distant future are the marijuana laws. Are they going to change in the process of and in furtherance of the creation of a grand new utopia? Shoot no. They'll change because the will to fight the war on marijuana is waning in this country, and this is happening in part because the older people who are most afraid of marijuana are retiring and dying off and being replaced by people who don't see marijuana as such a big deal. They'll change because we're going to see a huge influx of senior citizens collecting an unprecedented amount of Social Security Retirement benefits, Medicaid benefits, and retirement and health benefits from State, county, and municipal governments. Our governments at all levels are going to have start looking for ways to cut expenses and generate revenues to shoulder this incredible burden and one of the things that will go on the chopping block is marijuana prohibition, and their going to tax the crap out of it too. Economics are going to play a big part in the eventual legalization of marijuana. And I hate top say it, but you know who will be growing and marketing most all that is consumed? Big corporations, that's who. They'll come in and grow it on a grand scale using modern agricultural methods and a significant amount of mechanization. Production costs will drop through the floor. Taxes and regulatory costs may be high, but becuase production costs will be so low they'll still be able to put out a comparatively reasonably priced product while making ridiculous profits. They'll market it like any other product and marijuana consumers will for the most part be like consumers of any other mass marketed product. There will be the fancy overpriced brands for the snobby types, more generic "Bud Light" or even "Milwaukee's Best" types for everyone else, and no doubt even boutique type brands for consumers similar to those who favor microbrewery type beers. People will have their brand loyalty just like they do for whatever brand of cigarettes they smoke or whatever beer they drink, etc. It's going to be business as usual.If what you are looking for is utopia, you're going to be sorely disappointed. That ain't gonna happen. But overall we're going to be better off when marijuana is legalized. The persecution against marijuana smokers will largely abate. We need only look at what is happening to cigarette smokers though to know that the persecution will not abate entirely, but things will be a heck of a lot better for those who choose to partake in the herb when it is legal to do so. And of course we will see most of the other benefits to society from legalization that we list today when we argue for legalization. Overall things will be better, but what we'll have is going to come far short of utopia.This is just my best guess of what will happen. Maybe things will be different. We'll see.
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Comment #111 posted by whig on September 12, 2007 at 15:31:25 PT
museman
I don't see John Edwards as just another slick willie. He's admitted mistakes and seems to genuinely give a ****.
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Comment #110 posted by museman on September 12, 2007 at 14:23:29 PT
and of course...
End the wars, All of 'em. My 'representative' would consider that top, A-1 priority. In that fantasy world I was speaking of...
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Comment #109 posted by museman on September 12, 2007 at 14:20:15 PT
who I would vote for
I'd like to see a political 'dark horse' come out of nowhere, who isn't a lawyer, doesn't belong to any secret fraternal brotherhoods of specialness, didn't buy his or her way into the spotlight, has a history of being a somewhat normal, down-to-earth person who is honest (and hey, all you politicians, believe it or not there are many who haven't been all that fooled your performances,) honorable, with a reasonable expectation of actually giving a damn about anyone with less than a six-figure income, who is stalwart, brave, and truly patriotic enough to repeal cannabis prohibition, instituting discussion instead of persecution, imprisonment, and stigmatizing a substantial portion of the population whom he, or she is supposed to 'represent.'I'd like to look at my TV and say, "I voted for him, or her, and man I'm glad I did."In another world perhaps, one of those they advertise on TV.Kucinich says the right things. His platform covers the bases on the political left quite well. It's a nice ineffective niche. I attended a rally in '04, and his platform hasn't changed. Even though the ideas and concepts-the political promises- that his platform represents are what I like to hear, somehow he just doesn't carry it over. He's had a stronger showing this election for obvious reasons.Richardson. Just to the slight right of Kucinich. Yes, that Bill has been doing some positive politics...lately.Edwards just looks like another 'slick wille.'Obama is too conservative, though I can see his efficiency, and I admire that.Hillary is a political abomination (if there is any real distinction between 'em all) and makes me shudder almost as much as the monkey.So the choices are grim, in my opinion.
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Comment #108 posted by FoM on September 12, 2007 at 12:50:26 PT
whig
Let's see to keep this superorganism healthy it should avoid eating hate, jealousy, fear and generally bad things that cause indigestion and to stay healthy it should eat all that's good, all that's edifying and all lovely hopeful things.Does that answer your question?
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Comment #107 posted by whig on September 12, 2007 at 12:39:19 PT
I just hope..
that the answer isn't "soylent green"
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Comment #106 posted by whig on September 12, 2007 at 12:37:30 PT
Sorry
That may have been too abstract of a question...
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Comment #105 posted by whig on September 12, 2007 at 12:35:43 PT
FoM
What does the superorganism eat?
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Comment #104 posted by FoM on September 12, 2007 at 12:22:22 PT
whig
I look at the government like it's a human body. A body has a head but the head would never turn without a neck. Arms are important but not much could be done without hands and fingers. Even the toe has importance to a body because it helps balance the body so it won't fall over.I look at politics like that basically.
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Comment #103 posted by whig on September 12, 2007 at 12:15:48 PT
FoM
Dennis Kucinich would be awesome. I just want to say that.I don't think he'll win a nomination contest though. He's not viewed as a serious national figure as a member of the house of representatives. You almost have to have been a senator or governor (or general) to be considered a national political figure.
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Comment #102 posted by whig on September 12, 2007 at 12:12:51 PT
FoM
As much as I like Bill Richardson I think he isn't very good at speaking and that's a problem. He's put his foot in his mouth a few times and I don't think he can recover in time to be nominated.I do think he's a very good man and I want him to be secretary of state or something if that's what he wants to do.I'm like that too that I cannot be sure of not saying the wrong thing sometimes, and even when I write my thoughts down sometimes I've had to ask you to delete something because it wasn't really very good. It's just human. We expect a lot more from a president than maybe we should, I don't know, but those kinds of garbled things aren't helpful.Being able to make and admit mistakes is important, I just want to say that anyone who can't do this should be disqualified on that ground, so it's a hard balance to find.
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Comment #101 posted by FoM on September 12, 2007 at 12:11:27 PT
whig
I agree with you. I hope they will be able to work together. The only one I have a really hard time with is Senator Clinton. I never liked the Clintons. The Clintons really seem like Republicans to me.
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Comment #100 posted by whig on September 12, 2007 at 12:06:23 PT
FoM
Here's what I want to say, I like that John Edwards admits he made a mistake in authorizing the war in Iraq, and I like that Barack Obama voted against authorizing the war in Iraq even more.I don't want there to be bad blood between the candidates because I think there should be a unity cabinet at the end of the process.
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Comment #99 posted by FoM on September 12, 2007 at 11:59:26 PT
museman
Have you heard OP yet? It's great. I hope you check it out if you haven't. It's 18 minute long.http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/rust/message/188432
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Comment #98 posted by FoM on September 12, 2007 at 11:55:42 PT
museman
That's a great story. When I see someone with long hair that looks like a hippie I always smile and nod to them. You go guy.Thanks for saying that about Obama. I could stand to listen to him when he would give the state of the union address. He might stutter a little but he makes sense in what he says at least to me.
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Comment #97 posted by museman on September 12, 2007 at 11:44:28 PT
Just Kidding
.....:}
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Comment #96 posted by museman on September 12, 2007 at 11:42:54 PT
in fact
If Hillary gets the nomination, I might vote republican. Better odds.
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Comment #95 posted by museman on September 12, 2007 at 11:33:05 PT
honor
A few years ago, I had an occasion to visit Tucson. I had an experience that has stood out in my mind ever since.It was xmas time, and my wife an I decided to go shopping. We went to the local Wal-mart (or it's equivalent). Because I was on vacation, I decided to wear my hair down. My wife was dressed in quite 'hippy' fashion as well, so I expected some kind of reaction from the general Republican atmosphere.When we walked through the doors, all the white yuppies gasped, and shuffled their children out of 'harms way' (I am used to it), and I expected rent-a-cops and floor personnel to escort me around. However, almost all of the 'regular' employees were Native Americans, or Mexican with a dominant Native cultural perspective.Two of them came up to me, just radiating awe and respect, calling me "sir" in a way I've never experienced before -they meant it- and everywhere I went (they didn't follow me, but the word had gone out through the store) they would come up and ask me who I was, where I was from, and how I was enjoying my stay in Tucson.When I came out of that store, I was about an inch taller, and hadn't gotten that kind of respect in so long, I'd not expected to experience it again.They knew. They had the sensitivity to feel my spirit, and know -because they are taught some real values in their culture, and only pretend to believe in the white man's crap so they can get along.I could go to an event like the ones that have been happening, and I just about guarantee you that security would be talking to me within minutes after my entrance - because I still fit the profile I did in my youth, and that is obvious to those who understand it, and worrisome to those who don't.The Dominant White Culture has it's collective head up it's yuppie butt, and no amount of nostalgic hollywood production is going to do anything except make them feel good about their materialistic choices. What they need is a little stark reality, and since they won't make the choices without it, it's going to get real rough around planet earth in the next few years.I appreciate your feelings towards the choices of 'lesser evil' (democrat politicians) that are presented to us as tokens of power that we don't have (as if the power of the vote is really going to be 'power'), and if Obama makes it I will vote for him. Under no circumstances will I vote for Hillary, I'll be looking for an escape route if that happens.
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Comment #94 posted by FoM on September 12, 2007 at 11:23:42 PT
whig
That's very true.
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Comment #93 posted by whig on September 12, 2007 at 11:20:34 PT
FoM
It seems like cocaine has been part of the background of our "political elite" too. Not just George Bush, but Bill Clinton and Barack Obama.
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Comment #92 posted by FoM on September 12, 2007 at 11:13:47 PT
museman
When I look back I believe we were highjacked by the cocaine generation if that makes sense. Cocaine is a drug that fits into a powerful capitalistic system like we have now. Cannabis is more artsy and philosophical and mild. They call cannabis consumers lazy. That's not true. People want to slow things down so we don't self destruct. That's smart not lazy.
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Comment #91 posted by museman on September 12, 2007 at 11:03:44 PT
FoM
Yes, I believe in those 'values' as well. That spirit still lives in the same people that have carried it all these years, but that is a minority, and quite easily discounted by the very same 'boomers' who are now 'reminiscing the good 'ol days.'Just look in the parking lot at any of these 'summer of love' or whatever events, and tell me it's something more than an elaborate scheme to capitalize on my generations failure to embrace the Spirit when it was literally running through our veins, and pumping in our hearts. Try to get in without a bank account. To me it's just like watching my generation getting bought and sold all over again.People can say "Peace, and Love" and smile as they drive away in their SUV or Mercedes to go work at the Nuclear facility, or the chemical plant, or the D.O.D., or the pharmaceutical company. It's easy, almost 'everybody who's anybody,' does it. Of course, as I said there are some few who have held to their convictions, and beliefs, despite poverty and the constantly looming temptations of false material prosperity, and they are condemned by the very ones who park their new cars outside some corporate, music-industry production of nostalgia aimed to make the generational sell-outs think that they can get another chance at the experiences that happened only once in a lifetime. If you didn't get it when it was offered, there ain't no 'rain checks.'This is not to say that any person cannot change their mind. That is more than possible, it is the substantial hope that we all invest in towards educating people about cannabis. But creating false expectations about some kind of wholesale attitude change particular to one generation is just not realistic.
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Comment #90 posted by FoM on September 12, 2007 at 10:28:41 PT
museman
I believe it's time to pass it on to the younger generation that's why I am happy with Obama's supporters. They are new, young and on fire for change. I believe some of our values are being re-born in these young folks after skipping quite a few years. The Woodstock Generation to me is one of values like I decided was what I wanted in life. Our House and Teach Your Children were two of my favorite songs during my earlier life. I mean like Neil Young has lived his life as a model for me. That's how I look at that era.
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Comment #89 posted by museman on September 12, 2007 at 10:21:22 PT
the older folks
In 1970, when I came back from the war (or at least my part of it) I went looking for that so-called 'woodstock generation.' Imagine my surprise when, for all the media hype and sensation over a few events in generational history, very little evidence of the 'flower children' was to be found.Having my home in Southern California at the time, it was a logical choice to go hitchhiking, and look for them. It took me 7 years, and they weren't in any of the places they were purported to be. Oh there were 'pockets' of them scattered here and there, and the Haight had some residual appearances of their passing. Most of the people I came to know in those days kind of had this wistful idea that they 'were out there somewhere' doing their hippy thing, but just not anywhere nearby.By the time I found the Rainbow, most of the boomers had already begun the courses of action which would define the next 3 decades; yuppie consumerism.The values that have been embraced by the majority of that generation -my generation- displaced the embryonic seeds of reason, commonsense, and sanity in lifestyle, belief system, and political empowerment quite easily at the behest of corporate media. They succumbed to materialism so easily it is disgusting to me.To say that somehow the wisdom of a minor faction of that generation -that was never embraced seriously by the majority in the first place- is going to miraculously be reborn in aging boomers is a bit naive in my experience. The real source of the problem, and the power behind it is not being considered in this assumption. The dynasties of power and wealth that control the world, and have since history began had their own 'boomer' progeny, to whom they have passed the baton of power, and the torch of their 'authority' which continues unabated -in an unbroken line- since they first established their false system of weights and measures, way way back in Sumeria and Babylon.The current monkeys in power are almost all 'boomers.' Most of the do-nothing politicians that I see, are boomers. The next president will be a boomer, just like the last two.Lest we forget, yesterday was the 6th aniversary of the day our government betrayed America in blatant abuse of power and authority, yet we are still killing people in Iraq -which was begun with nothing but lies and subterfuge, based on the lies and subterfuge of 9/11. The boomers did it. If they weren't directly responsible, their apathetic concern for selfish comfort allowed it to happen. Do you really think that a generation that has lived it's life with self-serving personal satisfaction as it's highest priority is going to somehow step up to the plate now? Or in the near future before they all succumb to the last stages of aging?Some, maybe, and whatever, whomever does step up gets is that much closer to the reality I want to live in, and leave behind.I can remember this same sentiment about 20 years ago; "All we have to do is wait for the WWII generation to die off."Guess what? They're almost all gone now, and going fast. The question is HAS THERE BEEN ANY CHANGE? Other than a few token changes which have all but been wiped out by the current regime, there has been only an increase in poverty, an increase in war, an increase in persecutions, and an over-all increase in misery all across planet earth.Wait for the boomers to get their sh-t together in old age? What a laugh.Better take the knowledge and give it to the next, eager generation before they too are bought and sold to the establishment, and are conditioned to raise another generation of servants and cannon fodder for the powers that be.
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Comment #88 posted by FoM on September 12, 2007 at 07:41:19 PT
Commonsense
In 1969 people would have been about 18 and that would make them near 55 now. The east coast where I was raised played all the music from that time so even if young people back then like I was didn't go to Woodstock they got the message. The generation after my generation got into cocaine and they didn't get it like those who stayed with marijuana as an alternative to their parents alcohol consumption. Thank you for the compliment.
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Comment #87 posted by Commonsense on September 11, 2007 at 21:35:23 PT
FoM
"People who were around the Woodstock generation are now my age and they get it. People a few years older don't get it."And there are a lot of places in this country where we didn't really have a "Woodstock generation." Our people of the age where they could have been our "Woodstock generation" if they lived elsewhere where still more like "Okies from Muskogee" in 1969. "Summer of love?" That's something people in most of America only saw on TV back in '67, something puzzling and strange. Marijuana really hit our areas after the whole hippy thing had peaked and was fizzling out in the early 1970's. So, the first people to "get it" in much of the country would have been too young to have gone to Woodstock, unless their parents brought them. The cutoff age between people that get it and people that don't get it is going to be a younger age in much of the country than it is perhaps where you live. Around where I live it's going to be people in their ealry to mid fifties on down who are most likely to get it. Hardly anyone older than that in my area gets it. Older folks really control our country. They're the ones who the politicians listen to the most, the ones whose votes they are most worried about since older folks are much more likely to actually vote than younger people. Elected legislators are older than their average constituents, especially at the federal level. Their already behind the times and they are playing up mostly to their older constituents, so in much of the country they're still stuck in refer madness mode. But, that's going to change as the people who get it age. It's already happening even to some extent in the Okie from Muskogee areas. Sorry about the long posts. I hit this page nearly every day but rarely ever post. When I do I have a lot to say. You've got a good thing here. Keep it up.
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Comment #86 posted by FoM on September 11, 2007 at 21:21:34 PT
Commonsense
We'll need to have lots of old age retirement hippie homes! LOL!
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Comment #85 posted by Commonsense on September 11, 2007 at 21:12:21 PT
Toker00
I've thought about that. We may see more of these people smoking again after they retire, because they won't have to worry about losing their jobs and because they won't have so much to do anymore. And like you said, hangovers hurt even worse when you are older so pot may appeal more to a lot of older folks living the life of liesure. As more and more smokers move up into the ranks of the retired we'll probably also see more senior citizens who supply other seniors, grandpa and grandma dealers with grandma and grandpa customers, old folks growing marijuana, old folks selling it to other people around their same age. Are we going to have the stomache to prosecute the heck out of these people when we catch them? How's the prosecutor's "poisening young minds" argument going to play in court in a case like that? I'm a public defender and I've noticed more and more older people getting busted with weed as time goes on. It used to surprise us when we'd see people in their fifties coming to court with marijuana charges. Now it's not such a big deal, but we still rarely ever see people in their sixties or older getting busted with pot. That's coming though. What are people going to think when they read about the big "drug ring" busted at the retirement center where old folks are selling weed to other old folks? What about retired folks who lived long and productive lives getting busted for possession? Things are going to get interesting. I think prohibition is going to fall apart.
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Comment #84 posted by fight_4_freedom on September 11, 2007 at 18:44:09 PT:
Not soon enough
By MATTHEW LEE and ANNE FLAHERTY,
Associated Press Writers 2 hours, 1 minute agoWASHINGTON - President Bush will tell the nation Thursday evening that he plans to reduce the American troop presence in Iraq by as many as 30,000 by next summer but will condition those and further cuts on continued progress, The Associated Press has learned.
ADVERTISEMENTIn a 15-minute address from the White House at 9 p.m. EDT, Bush will endorse the recommendations of his top general and top diplomat in Iraq, following their appearance at two days of hearings in Congress, administration officials said. The White House plans to issue a written status report on the troop buildup on Friday, they said.The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because Bush's speech is not yet final. Bush was rehearsing and polishing his remarks even as the U.S. commander in Iraq, Gen. David Petraeus, and U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker were presenting their arguments for a second day on Capitol Hill.In the speech, the president will say he understands Americans' deep concerns about U.S. involvement in Iraq and their desire to bring the troops home, they said. Bush will say that, after hearing from Petraeus and Crocker, he has decided on a way forward that will reduce the U.S. military presence but not abandon Iraq to chaos, according to the officials.The address will stake out a conciliatory tone toward Congress. But while mirroring Petraeus' strategy, Bush will place more conditions on reductions than his general did, insisting that conditions on the ground must warrant cuts and that now-unforeseen events could change the plan.Petraeus recommended that a 2,000-member Marine unit return home this month without replacement. That would be followed in mid-December with the departure of an Army brigade numbering 3,500 to 4,000 soldiers. Under the general's plan, another four combat brigades would be withdrawn by July 2008.That could leave the U.S. with as few as 130,000-135,000 troops in Iraq, down from about 168,000 now, although Petraeus was not precise about whether all the about 8,000 support troops sent with those extra combat forces would be withdrawn by July.Petraeus said he foresaw even deeper troop cuts beyond July, but he recommended that Bush wait until at least March to decide when to go below 130,000 — and at what pace.At the White House, Bush met with House and Senate lawmakers of both parties and he publicly pledged to consider their views. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said the president didn't talk about the nationwide address.House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said Bush appears poised merely to bring the country back to where it was before the election that put Democrats in control of Congress — with 130,000 troops in Iraq."Please. It's an insult to the intelligence of the American people that that is a new direction in Iraq," she said. "We're as disappointed as the public is that the president has a tin ear to their opinion on this war."In his speech, Bush will adopt Petraeus' call for more time to determine the pace and scale of future withdrawals and offer to report to Congress in March, one official said.As Petraeus and Crocker have, Bush will acknowledge difficulties, and the fact that few of the benchmarks set by Congress to measure progress of the buildup have been met, the official said. Yet, he will stress that a precipitous U.S. withdrawal would be a catastrophe for Iraq and U.S. interests.The president will discuss "bottom up" security improvements, notably in Anbar Province, which he visited on Labor Day and where Sunni leaders have allied themselves with U.S. forces to fight insurgents. And, he will note incremental progress on the political front despite unhelpful roles played by Iran and Syria, the official said.Crocker was particularly keen on detailing diplomatic developments, including Saudi Arabia's move to open an embassy in Baghdad and a third conference of Iraqi neighbors to be hosted by Turkey in Istanbul at the end of October.In Congress, cracks in Republican support for the Iraq war remained, as epitomized by heated questioning Tuesday of Petraeus."Is this a mission shift?" asked Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska. "Are we continuing down the same path that we have laid out before, entirely reliant on the ability of the Iraqis to come together to achieve that political reconciliation?"Sen. Norm Coleman said he wants a longer-term vision other than suggestions that Petraeus and Crocker return to Capitol Hill in mid-March to give another assessment. "Americans want to see light at the end of the tunnel," said Coleman, R-Minn.Many rank-and-file Republicans say they are deeply uneasy about keeping troops in Iraq through next summer, but they also remain reluctant to embrace legislation ordering troops home by next spring. Democrats, under substantial pressure by voters and politically influential anti-war groups, had anticipated that a larger number of Republicans by now would have turned against Bush on the war because of grim poll numbers and the upcoming 2008 elections.Indeed, Petraeus' testimony helped to solidify support elsewhere in the GOP, keeping Democrats far from the 60 votes they needed to pass legislation ordering troops home."Americans should be happy that we can begin to reduce troop levels months ahead of schedule," said Sen. Pete Domenici, R-N.M."I'm optimistic that when the votes are counted, they'll be roughly the same as they have been all year," said McConnell, the Senate Republican leader. "As you know, we've lost some, but not a lot and I think that's a likely outcome again."Echoing testimony given to the House on Monday, Petraeus and Crocker acknowledged that Iraq remains largely dysfunctional but said violence had decreased since the influx of added U.S. troops.Crocker said he fears that announcing troop withdrawals, as Democrats want, would focus Iraqi attention on "building the walls, stocking ammunition and getting ready for a big nasty street fight" rather than working toward reconciliation. "It will take longer than we initially anticipated" for Iraq's leaders to address the country's problems, he said.The two days of testimony seemed to turn the debate away from the list of 18 benchmarks by which the White House and Iraq's government had said earlier this year that they preferred to measure progress. The administration has protested more recently that the benchmarks offer an unrealistic or incomplete look at the situation.The hearing fell on the anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.In an unusual admission, Petraeus said he was not sure whether his proposal on Iraq would make America safer.A visibly heated Sen. John Warner, R-Va., asked the question to which Petraeus said: "Sir, I don't know, actually. I have not sat down and sorted that out in my mind. What I have focused on and riveted on is how to accomplish the mission of the multinational force Iraq."
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Comment #83 posted by Toker00 on September 11, 2007 at 18:05:22 PT
Think also
about the retirees who will feel safe to fire up again not worried about losing their jobs. You know who you are! You know you want to! LOL. And I know you will.Toke.
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Comment #82 posted by Toker00 on September 11, 2007 at 18:01:46 PT
Commonsense
You are from close to where I grew up and you are accurate in your history of pot use in the area. I know too. Very good post and thanks for the encouragement. I would only increase your calculation to several tens of millions who will soon hit their 50's and 60's and who use at least occasionally when you figure in the number who are returning to a safer alternative to alcohol or the harder illegal drugs. I have personally helped several people see that cannabis is much safer than alcohol and with unexpected mental health benefits. Not to mention the fact that most people who use cannabis share this one statement: "It's makes me feel closer to God." Nearly everyone I know has said that one time or another. And it is true. Thanks again for the post.Toke.
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Comment #81 posted by FoM on September 11, 2007 at 17:08:16 PT
whig
I think that the Republican Party will fall apart for the next 8 years. It will take them that long to sort out where they went wrong and try to fix it. They might be good after they get humbled a while. It's helped the Democrats. You must pay attention to the people when you are trying to get back in power. It will turn again and again over many years if we all survive this administration.
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Comment #80 posted by FoM on September 11, 2007 at 17:05:06 PT
Commonsense
I agree with the age thing. I am a person of just a few words. I can't write like you do. Thanks. The Republicans are stuck in the 50s and the Democrats are stuck in the 60s I think. 5 years difference in age can mean alot to people. People who were around the Woodstock generation are now my age and they get it. People a few years older don't get it.
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Comment #79 posted by whig on September 11, 2007 at 16:44:36 PT
FoM
I think we need to get rid of the Republican party because it has been taken over and run by Nazis. The Democratic party is maybe salvageable but about half of the party should be run out of office. Just my two cents. :)
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Comment #78 posted by Commonsense on September 11, 2007 at 16:43:08 PT
Toker00, FoM
The problem with our politicians is that they are too old and old people are afraid of marijuana. Most of our politicians grew up before pot became popular and they've never smoked it. Right now there are only 33 out of a hundred senators born in the second half of the 20th century. Less than half were born from 1946 on when the baby boom started. Twenty-five out of a hundred senators is 70 or older. Congress is a little younger on average, but still the senior politicians really running this country tend to have grown up before marijuana became popular. If you look at the government surveys you'll see that more than half of all adults born from 1950 on have smoked marijuana. It's a different story for those born prior to 1950 though. According to SAMHSA's numbers I've seen in the past, only about 1% of those born between 1919 and 1929 admitted having ever tried marijuana, compared to the about 6% of those born from 1930 to 1940 who admitted to having tried marijuana. The percentage jumps to 24% for those born between 1941 and 1945, and 38% for those born between 1946 and 1950. About 50% of those born from 1950 to 1954 admit having tried marijuana, and the number jumps to nearly 60% for those born from 1955 through 1965. The later someone was born, up till about 1955, the more likely it is he has smoked marijuana. And when you look at those born in the early to mid 40's who smoked marijuana, most of those people are going to be concentrated in places like San Francisco, where marijuana first started to become popular. Remember that old country song, "Okie from Muskogee?" It was Merle Haggard song released in 1969, and there was really some truth behind what the guy was singing. People in Muskogee, Oklahoma, weren't really smoking weed in 1969. It took a while for it to spread out to the rest of the country. By the mid seventies though, even people in Muskogee were getting high, people born in the mid fifties and later. I don't live too far from Muskogee, Oklahoma. I know. It wasn't until the mid 1970's or so that it was really all around where I live with most of the young people doing it. According to all the drug use surveys, marijuana use peaked in this nation around 1979 or 1980. So by then it had hit everywhere. If you were born in 1955, you were 25 in 1980, and had probably smoked marijuana regardless of which part of the country you hail from. (By the way only 19 of our current 100 senators was born from 1955 on.)I don't think there is any chance marijuana will be legalized in the next couple of years, but it could happen within ten. In ten years most politicians, bureaucrats, judges, cops, etc., will be people born from 1950 on. The first set of Baby Boomers and the first couple of years worth of people born in the 1950's will have hit retirement age. People born in the second half of the 20th century are going to be running the world. Even voters are aging, and voting is one of those things you are more likely to do the older you get (through about age 60 where it levels off), until you get too old to get out and do it. A much lower percentage of younger people vote than older people, especially in the off year elections where we aren't also voting for a president. Hardly any 18 to 25 years olds will vote in a non presidential elections, and far fewer of them will vote than the 60 and over crowd even in a presidential election year. What we're going to be seeing increasingly in the future though are older voters who have never even tried marijuana dying off and being replaced by people much more likely to have tried it. People who have smoked marijuana are far less likely to be the raging anti-marijuana types, the ones who cannot seem to distinguish between marijuana and drugs like meth and heroin. As time goes on our politicians are going to be people less likely to be super anti marijuana types. More and more will be people who think it ought to be legalized, and they won't have as much fear of political reprisals for speaking up. They'll see that their colleagues are younger and in many cases have a different attitude about marijuana than their predecessors. They'll see the same thing happening with voters. In ten years there will probably be well over a million senior citizens that still smoke marijuana at least on occasion. Things are going to change. Older anti legalization types are going to get too old to vote or die off and increasingly will be replaced by people far less afraid of marijuana, and that's going to happen throughout our society: in government, in leadership in business, among voters in general, etc. Now is not the time to get discouraged. We may not see marijuana get legalized completely in the near future, but we're going to see positive changes. We'll see a lot more marijuana initiatives passing. We'll see legislative bodies passing laws that are more favorable to marijuana smokers. We'll probably see several more states get medical marijuana, and I bet we see the feds back off and allow it too. I wouldn't be surprised to see more states decriminalize it to remove criminal penalties and make it more like a traffic ticket that doesn't leave people with criminal records. We might even see a state or two legalize it to a degree, although I think it will still be a while before the feds will allow actual legal markets with commercial growers. We are likely to see some other countries backing out of the anti drug treaties at least with respect to marijuana, or forcing the treaties to be modified to allow for legalizations. Those treaties and conventions on drug control are going to be a bigger stumbling block for us than we know. But we'll see some good positive changes as the years go on, and eventually, we will see marijuana be legalized. It's going to happen, and it's going to happen because of the efforts of people on this forum and like minded individuals everywhere who keep up the good fight and push for what is right.
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Comment #77 posted by FoM on September 11, 2007 at 13:38:03 PT
Check Out This Link If You Are Interested
All I can say it is amazing and I hope I don't get Fapped at midnight tonight. LOL!http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/rust/
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Comment #76 posted by FoM on September 11, 2007 at 13:14:31 PT
Toker00
I don't put faith in politicians because they are different then everyday, ordinary people. What is better about the Dems is they seem way more reasonable. They are open to learning more then the majority of Republicans I think.
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Comment #75 posted by Toker00 on September 11, 2007 at 13:08:20 PT
FoM
I hold no faith in Dems. but they will be a much better spring board from which to launch our revolution. Toke.
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Comment #74 posted by FoM on September 11, 2007 at 12:57:56 PT
whig
I really don't like her but I don't like the top Republicans either. I am more afraid of the Republicans. I didn't vote for Gore because I thought he would win and I feel guilty that I didn't. After Gore I registered to vote in 04. The majority of my life I have just not cared who was in power until these times.
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Comment #73 posted by whig on September 11, 2007 at 12:37:44 PT
FoM
I just want to say that I won't be able to vote for Hillary Clinton even if she wins the nomination. That's just how I feel.
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Comment #72 posted by whig on September 11, 2007 at 12:31:45 PT
Everybody knows
Song by Leonard Cohenhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h27HRNm_r4U
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Comment #71 posted by FoM on September 11, 2007 at 11:27:33 PT
Toker00
Since that time in September of 01 ( Tom and Rollie and 9/11) we have been really surpressed. We haven't made much if any progress since then. If we get the Democrats in power in 08 we might just make it. I have hope but not as much as I did. Many people don't post anymore because of fear and the feeling that nothing will change. No one seems to be trying to change the law. If we can keep going just a little longer we might succeed but probably not for a couple of years.
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Comment #70 posted by Toker00 on September 11, 2007 at 10:44:00 PT
FoM
You're right. Something died in all of us that day. It was the hope that by taking the courage to stand up to corrupt officials, somehow reason could be attained while at the same time exercising our Constitutionally protected rights. They showed all of us they are not capable or interested in any reasoning except their own. It was our hope that died that day, but Truth resurrects Hope and once again we are standing and fighting as always. In reality it is them who are fighting us and not the other way around. I know of no government official I would want to arrest for many of the things they wrongfully arrest us for and with no provocation on our part. That is what makes the War on Drugs, or any other War, Insane.Toke.
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Comment #69 posted by FoM on September 11, 2007 at 10:25:08 PT
ekim
What I heard on the radio between the music was about family farms and organically grown vegetables. It was about food safety and eating for our health by buying from our local farmers. They really promote the family farm and are against factory farms.
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Comment #68 posted by ekim on September 11, 2007 at 10:01:50 PT
did any one hear the word Hemp at Farmaid
any call for help for States like CA and NDany info as to the great jobs and products from Cannabis
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Comment #67 posted by FoM on September 11, 2007 at 09:44:37 PT
Toker00
What happened to Tom and Rollie will never be forgotten. Something died in me that day.
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Comment #66 posted by Toker00 on September 11, 2007 at 09:35:36 PT
Rainbow Farm was also a 9-11.
On our movement. Smaller scale same scenario. They blamed Tom and Rollie for the need of a Drug war, like they are blaming Iraq for 9-11 and a War on Terror. Iraqis cried out for their losses just as Cannabists cried out for ours. Iraqis wanted the same freedoms we are seeking. The true Freedom for the People from corrupt government. It was for the land and resources and installing their local form of "democracy" down at the "Farm". Same thing as all recent wars but to a much smaller but just as vulnerable group of two. This war of control on even one of us is unforgivable.Toke.
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Comment #65 posted by FoM on September 11, 2007 at 07:15:14 PT
Hope
Tom Crosslin & Rollie Rohm Memorial Pagehttp://www.freedomtoexhale.com/rb.htm
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Comment #64 posted by Hope on September 11, 2007 at 07:08:01 PT
Seige on Rainbow Farm. Tom and Rollie.
A DEA agent fell through the ground and drowned in a cess pool, right in front of his children, in his own backyard.All in a matter of days.That was a time of horrors from every direction.All of it, and God knows, how much more, was a part of a circus of horrors sent straight from Hell.
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Comment #63 posted by Hope on September 11, 2007 at 06:58:05 PT
That day...
My son called me to turn on the TV. "Something horrible is happening. We're being attacked or something." Remembering.
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Comment #62 posted by Hope on September 11, 2007 at 06:53:55 PT
Ok, Toker00
Must have missed something somewhere in reading your comments. A url Whig posted made me think you might be talking about the war in Iraq. Up until that time I assumed you were talking about this prohibition and then I started wondering if I had my wires crossed.Thank you.
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Comment #61 posted by FoM on September 11, 2007 at 06:47:20 PT
6 Years Now
Today we will be reminded of 9/11 again. I remember this morning like it was yesterday and I know most of us do too. I remember thinking nothing will ever be the same and now the excuse for war has been provided. I hope that in 6 years from now we as a Nation will have moved on to peace and hope rather then hate and killing.
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Comment #60 posted by Toker00 on September 11, 2007 at 05:31:33 PT
The Day the People Stood Still.
Everyone has a reason for not staying home from work/school/mall today and I respect each and every one of them. But for those of you who are joining us in solidarity, welcome brothers and sisters. Being one of the fortunate ones who have vacation time and asked off in advance, this will be a day of personal history for me. It was the day that I stood still. It is the day that many of us will stand still. One day many more will join us until we have that glorious day we have yearned for in order to create change. The Day the People Stood Still. You may not have been able to take off today or to conjure up the courage to resist your slavery to Capitalism but you will on that glorious day. You will be able to when more join us in this only effort that can, as proven in the past, work.Let's enjoy this day together, all of us. Let's Honor the victims of 9-11 by creating the end of Greed and Selfishness. Let this be the day that begins the end of the Global Domination of Man. We have always been controlled by these people to some degree in history. Now, they want to control all of us all of the time, and forever. They fooled us once and succeeded. Will they fool us twice as we enter into the most enlightening period of the History of Man? I think not. If so, then Shame on Us.Toke.
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Comment #59 posted by Toker00 on September 11, 2007 at 03:23:20 PT
Hope
Unfortunately I'm talking about the Iraq war because not enough people love us like they love their normal gun toting children, to end the war on Cannabis. We are the retarded step child that spends most of it's time neglected and stuck in it's room. They know we are here but they try to ignore us. They won't ignore their children's deaths in uniform. At least not when the numbers rise. If you'll notice, the more damage and waste that the war on drugs creates, the more people have come to our side. Let's just don't wish for another increase in damage and waste to give us the guts to end Cannabis Prohibition. Let's end it now. Let's don't wait for the increase in the Iraq war deaths, let's end it now.All the Wars in the World. We gotta stop 'em.Toke.
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Comment #58 posted by Hope on September 10, 2007 at 22:59:02 PT
Toker00 and Whig
That work shut down you guys have been talking about. Were you talking about a sort of walk out because of the Iraq war or because of Cannabis Prohibition?I understood you to be talking about fighting cannabis prohibition that way... which I was dragging that "wet blanket" about.If there are enough people to do it to get our people out of Iraq... I really couldn't say.
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Comment #57 posted by afterburner on September 10, 2007 at 22:41:01 PT
The ONDCP is Coming to Detroit
From : Jennifer Kern, DPA
Sent : September 6, 2007 10:06:46 AM
To : YOU
Subject : The ONDCP is Coming to Detroit
September 5, 2007
Oppose The ONDCP's Random Student Drug Testing PropagandaDear YOU,We will not let the Drug Czar have the last word on random student drug testing. His staff has been flying around the country holding propaganda filled summits to try to convince local educators to start drug testing students -- randomly and without cause.Earlier this year we organized at the summits in South Carolina, New Jersey, Hawaii and Las Vegas to get out the word that these surveillance programs are ineffective and harmful, and we were incredibly successful.In an unexpected twist, the ONDCP is hosting an additional summit in Detroit at the end of September. However, they are not advertising this summit on their website. Please attend and show the ONDCP that opposition will meet them everywhere they go!The date and location of the summit is:Tuesday, September 25, 2007, 9am-4pmDoubletree Hotel Dearborn5801 Southfield Expressway, Detroit, MichiganPlease make sure you register for the free event by faxing this form to 202-395-6744, calling 202-395-6750 or e-mailing vwoodberry ondcp.eop.gov . Also, let me know you are attending so I can send you additional materials and answer any questions you might have.Prepare for the event by familiarizing yourself with the issue.Read our tips for asking tough questions that will have drug testing proponents stumbling over their responses.Please arrive in business casual attire to be most effective in communicating with educators.Even if you can't attend, you can still get involved. Check out our toolkit for more ideas.The ONDCP's goal is to present itself as the single authority on student drug testing. Don't let them hit regional educators and run! Your participation will make an important difference in Michigan.Thank you!Sincerely,Jennifer Kern
Drug Testing Fails Campaign Coordinator
Drug Policy Alliance
www.drugtestingfails.orgLearn more about student drug testingDrug testing is humiliating, costly and ineffective, but it's an easy anti-drug sound bite for the White House. Student testing breaks the trust between children and adults, and drives students away from extracurricular activities. What's more, studies even show that student drug testing doesn't work to deter drug use. Read the story of how one student's life was turned upside down by drug testing.Visit our website and read a copy of our booklet Making Sense of Student Drug Testing: Why Educators Are Saying No.
Contact the Drug Policy Alliance:Drug Policy Alliance
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New York, NY 10018For subscription problems please contact
Jeanette Irwin, Director, Internet Communications
jirwin drugpolicy.org | 202.216.0035
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Comment #56 posted by afterburner on September 10, 2007 at 22:38:08 PT
The Story in Your Eyes
ARTIST: The Moody Blues
TITLE: The Story in Your Eyes.
Lyrics and ChordsI've been thinking 'bout our fortune
And I've decided that we're really not to blame
For the love that's deep inside us now
Is still the same/ Am Am7 D - / / / G C G - /And the sound we make together
Is the music to the story in your eyes
It's been shining down upon me now
I realize{Refrain}
Listen to the tide slowly turning
Wash all our heartaches away
We're part of the fire that is burning
And from the ashes we can build another day
But I'm frightened for the children
And that the life that we are living is in vain
And the sunshine we've been waiting for
Will turn to rain/ Em - F#m7 - / G - F#m7 F# / A - Bm A /
/ G D E - / Am Am7 D - / / / G C G - /{Refrain again}When the final line is over
And it's certain that the curtain's gonna fall
I can hide inside your sweet sweet love
For ever more'Cause I'm frightened for the children
'Cause I'm frightened for the childrenThe Story in Your Eyes - The Moody Blues (Lyrics and Chords)
http://www.guntheranderson.com/v/data/thestory.htmYouTube - Moody Blues - The Story in Your Eyes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRa_Mnp1JNY
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Comment #55 posted by whig on September 10, 2007 at 22:18:10 PT
Toker00
Don't believe that we must have a war with Iran.I hope we will not.
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Comment #54 posted by FoM on September 10, 2007 at 19:47:42 PT
Just a Thought
I hope the war ends soon. I don't know how much more the people can take. I don't know why anyone would enlist in the armed services in this time. When will we totally exhaust our armed forces at this rate? These are hard times but maybe things will change in time. I hope so.
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Comment #53 posted by museman on September 10, 2007 at 19:18:00 PT
toke
I share your sentiments.
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Comment #52 posted by Toker00 on September 10, 2007 at 19:13:56 PT
Instead,
it's still raging after a million of THIS Mother's tears.http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2007/100907_b_Sheehan.htmShame on 'em.Toke.
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Comment #51 posted by Toker00 on September 10, 2007 at 18:25:23 PT
After all,
...it took the deaths of tens of thousands of our soldiers in Vietnam before Change came and War ended. The accumulation of grieving families and friends and relatives and the millions who shared their grief finally found their voices and shouted out NO MORE! They found their marching legs and formed a sea of people that flooded Washington and other major cities and washed away the war. It may take hundreds of thousands of deaths to stop these rabid bastards now. It may take the sea of tens of millions of us to wash this War of Terror away. And it should have taken no more than a Mother's tear to end them all.Toke.
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Comment #50 posted by Toker00 on September 10, 2007 at 18:10:48 PT
museman and all
Change will occur when many more thousand of our children die in foreign wars that buy no more freedom for the people of this country than the help the government gave the Katrina victims or the "democracy" they are replacing sovereign nations of the world with. Many are buying the "success in Iraq" story and for the second time around, too. Iran is all but an inferno already. Now to achieve Real Success under the Bush/Cheney Regime many more humans must burn and fry and splatter and splinter and fuse and die in the name of this so-called NWO and for years to come. The War on Terror is a success because we have murdered over a million people (hey, we're just getting started here, hold on, there will be millions more) and lost a mere 4,000 and hey, that's rounded off so we're not doing too bad. Right? Wrong. One life given for Empire is not worth a penny of the Billions in profit it creates through greed. To profit on the backs of others while breaking those same backs after the profit dries up is pure Evil. But there will be no change until tens of thousands of our offspring have been laid upon the sacrificial block of empire. And only then if we KEEP the Republic together enough to create that change.Toke.
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Comment #49 posted by museman on September 10, 2007 at 16:22:04 PT
Hope
Which is why I throw my drop into this bucket. Ultimately the changes that are necessary to end cannabis prohibition, are the same that will end global aparteid.
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Comment #48 posted by Hope on September 10, 2007 at 16:02:31 PT
Museman
I agree with what you said to Toker00.This injustice will end. Sadly, we may not all live to see it end, but someone else will pick up our flag, if we have to lay it down, and push forward until it's done. More join us everyday.In fact, the government and prohibitionists do most of our recruiting for us.Every time they arrest or ticket someone for cannabis, all of those they persecute and prosecute, and a few more, understand what it's all about and become willing to stand with us.
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Comment #47 posted by Hope on September 10, 2007 at 15:54:58 PT
Forgive my "wet blanket"....
But a lot us wouldn't even be noticed if we didn't go to work that day. We work, we have responsibilities to many people, but we don't clock in anywhere.I don't think any significant number of people, that do clock in, would do it. Even if they care about our cause, they won't want to lose a day's work and wages over it. Many will tell you that they just absolutely cannot afford it. They have families to support and jobs to protect.Also, many are still afraid to "stand out" or "up" about this in anyway, which they might if they didn't go to work and said why.And, of course, many people are still in la-la land as far as understanding the great harm of prohibition. They're answer to everyone..."Just don't do it". Which obviously isn't working so well or it wouldn't be costing the nation so much for enforcement of these laws and jailing those who chose to do it, and there wouldn't be such a huge black market for cannabis, in spite of the prohibition.Maybe a better plan would be for everyone that wanted to do it, to, instead, devote a day's wages to MPP or NORML.We can't do that "Everyone turn on their car lights when they drive that day", thing, because most newer cars, the lights come on anyway.
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Comment #46 posted by museman on September 10, 2007 at 15:54:34 PT
toke
Well, the monkeywrench gang and a general strike aren't actually the same thing, but the goal is the same I will allow. And of course we have much agreement, here. It's a drop in the bucket, but at least the drops are falling in the bucket. I just feel obligated to point out a few things from time to time that normally might not be considered.Change will come, I believe quite strongly in that, but I don't believe that it's going to happen soon enough to save the best of our civilization-without throwing it all back to a primitive state, unless people begin to take responsibility towards truly governing themselves, instead of delegating their authority to those wolves and predators who rape us with our own life force! And charge extra for the priviledge of being raped by them!A liar is a liar, is a liar. A predator is a predator, no matter how you dress them up, or pin false honors on their chests, or print false titles and papers of authority.I came to the conclusion a long time ago that it's about the power of faith and belief. The closer it is to reality the more powerful and real it is. It's also a choice between the values of destruction, and the values of creation, they do not cohere to each other.If the people as a majority choose creation, then that is what we will get. Unfortunately the majority have been cajoled, duped, forced, programmed, and 'educated' to believe in destruction, as science, as 'spirit,' as 'economics,' as 'law' and unfortunately, as reality.It's a lot to change, and there hasn't been enough time from the subjective point of view, ever, but if one person can see, all can see. It's just a matter of time, patience, and perseverance (I believe). Got to keep plugging away at it, even though it's not popular, or profitable.
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Comment #45 posted by FoM on September 10, 2007 at 15:49:19 PT
Hope
Thanks! I look at politics as a game of who is better then who. What's so great about being number one? I prefer ordinary people and their values. They add the substance to our society.
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Comment #44 posted by Hope on September 10, 2007 at 15:36:50 PT
That's right, FoM.
It's every bit as much our country as it is theirs.We do count! "This is our country and it doesn't belong to any one party of people. We count."
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Comment #43 posted by FoM on September 10, 2007 at 15:28:00 PT
Toker00
Do you mean all work type shutdown? They tried that with truckers a couple of times but it just didn't work. My husband didn't drive but he has control over his own equipment and didn't need to account to anyone for that decision.
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Comment #42 posted by Toker00 on September 10, 2007 at 15:13:18 PT
museman
Wouldn't you say throwing themselves onto the gears is just another way of saying shut it down? A general strike would do that. And you are right. We are the only ones that can stop it. How can we expect them to stop this phenomenal Hate for Profit machine, though? We are all collectively just one big Profit Machine to them. It's time to re-key the ignition so that this machine will crank only with the Key of Love. The Love Machine...Imagine.Toke.
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Comment #41 posted by Richard Zuckerman on September 10, 2007 at 14:57:05 PT:
PLEASE LOG ON TO WWW.VOTEHEMP.COM?
Today, I received an e-mail from www.votehemp.com to send a letter for a Hemp legalization Bill in California. Of course, I hopped to it and fait accompli. PLEASE LOG ON TO WWW.VOTEHEMP.COM AND SEND YOUR ONLINE LETTER FOR HEMP LEGALIZATION?FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO SUPPORT HILLARY CLINTON FOR U.S. PRESIDENT, PLEASE LOG ON TO WWW.WORLDREPORTS.ORG AND READ ABOUT HER CORRUPT "CHILDREN'S DEFENSE FUND" AND THE MULTI-TRILLION DOLLAR THEFT OF THE "WANTA PLAN SETTLEMENT"?About two hours ago, I e-mailed a letter to the President of the Council On Foreign Relations asking whether they recommend repeal of the United States Constitution Bill Of Rights and State Constitutions. I already did this about 6 months ago but they failed to answer my question!!!PLEASE WATCH THE "BROKEN BORDERS" SEGMENT OF LOU DOBBS, EVERY NIGHT, AT 6 P.M. (EASTERN STANDARD TIME), ON CNN, NOTWITHSTANDING LOU DOBBS VEHEMENTLY OPPOSES "MARIJUANA"?PLEASE LOG ON TO WWW.INFOWARS.COM, READ THE FOUR DAILY STORIES, INTERNET STREAM THE ALEX JONES RADIO SHOW?AFTER DOING THE AFOREMENTIONED, PLEASE TELEPHONE AND TYPE A LETTER TO YOUR FEDERAL LEGISLATORS AND STATE LEGISLATORS AND MAIL IT OUT TO THEM??Richard Paul Zuckerman, P.O. Box 159, Metuchen, New Jersey, 08840-0159, richardzuckerman2002 yahoo.com, www.RonPaul2008.com.
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Comment #40 posted by Hope on September 10, 2007 at 14:47:28 PT
Having hope in them is something
I dare not do. My hope is in God and I hope He might choose to lead them to do the right thing, which would be to end this deadly and grief, and cruelty ridden prohibition of a non poisonous plant substance, where that's possible, and it might be His will. One good thing that's happened in the last decade or so is that the politicians and prohibitionists now know that there are a lot more of us out here that disagree with their prohibition than they had realized there was before.
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Comment #39 posted by FoM on September 10, 2007 at 14:37:52 PT
How To Fix Us
I believe before we can see good change some people really need to get over the anti-hippie mindset and understand why they feel the way they do. This is our country and it doesn't belong to any one party of people. We count. PS: I hope we don't get Senator Clinton because she is a big part of the same problem. That's why I want someone who might be able to beat her in the primaries. I will vote for her because I like the Democrats agenda better then the Republicans agenda if she gets the nomination though. That's about as emotional as I can get over politics.
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Comment #38 posted by Hope on September 10, 2007 at 14:31:38 PT
And another politician, A Governor,
that I had contacted responded politely and appreciatively . Governor Gary Johnson.Most don't respond. Some respond like they apparently, never even read what you wrote or called in about. A few will give you a lecture about why they disagree with you.
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Comment #37 posted by museman on September 10, 2007 at 14:29:32 PT
Hope
OK, I will conceded that efforts to educate our stupid representatives are just as important as educating the people, but believing in their power is still a mistake.
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Comment #36 posted by museman on September 10, 2007 at 14:26:48 PT
and...
The Power of the People is being syphoned off to feed the corporate beast every day from nine-to-five (or thereabouts), and that 'privilege' of serving the beast is hailed as some kind of great thing by the establishment, some kind of 'generous gift' bestowed on the people from the 'High Kings Court.'Cogs in the wheel. People talk about 'throwing themslelves into the gears', but they don't seem to realize that THEY ARE THE GEARS!What would happen if just 40% of the population refused to support 'business as usual' and stayed home for a week?Chaos. Because the other 60% would freak. And the top 3% would have their paid mercenaries out shooting people.They really have us over their barrel, I admit. But what would happen if 80% of the people pulled out of the machine?
It would be rough, but not as rough as it's going to get if we don't stop the processes that are killing our planet.So, education, and quick, is the only solution available. Agreement that the system, and the power groups that run it have to be removed from our reality, has to be achieved first, before any action can be taken. Significant numbers in agreement will take a miracle of Celestial proportion, but fortunately, I believe, that possibility exists. But we won't get there by continuing to play along with the status quo, without consciously aknowledging the errors and stopping the compromises.We won't get there though the 'democratic process.' Sorry, I'd like to believe in that fantasy, but once you've seen the truth, there is just no going back.
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Comment #35 posted by Hope on September 10, 2007 at 14:25:26 PT
Thank you, Museman.
My concern about meningitis also comes from terrible experience.Your comment is so true. Having contacted legislators about several different things over the years, I've got a bit of an idea on what to expect as responses from them .... but a totally different animal, or none at all, comes out of that "call or write your legislator" hat, when marijuana/cannabis policy or general drug policy is the point of the letter or call. That wasn't true, though, when I contacted Ron Paul quite a few years a go, complimenting him on a speech he made and mentioning cannabis policy. He sent an appreciative, "I read your letter", and "I'm interested in what you're saying" and "I appreciate your concerns" and all that, type response. Not in exactly those words. He did respond and responded politely and not in a depreciating manner at all, which I appreciated.
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Comment #34 posted by museman on September 10, 2007 at 14:08:12 PT
Hope
Thanks for the concern, but I only use the situation as an example to illustrate but one more angle and perspective on what I believe is the core cause of most, if not all of the human-created-and-perpetuated problems in the world, including prohibition, war, poverty, and related by cause-and-effect; eco-destruction, disease, and general discontent. That is to say that my 'opinions, and conclusions' concerning these things, come from actual experience and not from 'conjecture' or assumption.In this time of impending elections, there is a lot of political posturing going on both on the 'political stage' and the discussions both public and private surrounding it. There is a lot of 'write, phone, or email your 'representative'' going on. The atmosphere of expectation and hope that all this energy can somehow influence and change the reality we live in, just makes me shake my head and go "tsk, tsk."It's been almost a year since "the people sent a message" to the politicians that we are tired of their destructive games. The dems gained the 'majority.' Yet every day more flag-draped coffins are shipped back from the middle east, and more graves are dug there as well. The wealth of the Hali-Burton type corporate carpetbaggers is still going through the roof, poverty is getting worse, global warming is threatening us in ways that make the nuclear fear from the last century look surprisingly tame, and now we are poised to 'elect' somebody like HILLARY CLINTON!!!!!!!!!!!!! And why is that? Because we the people are given no choice. The only choices we are given are the ones that are designated by the club I mentioned earlier. Peole are just going to have to realize that 'business as usual' from the workplace to the whitehouse is going to have to undergo such radical changes -JUST FOR THE SURVIVAL of life as we know it, and the current political/economic/social actions, values, motivations, and holdings need immediate attention, not compromise, or even discussion. IT HAS TO HAPPEN OR ELSE!The Power of The People sits in front of a TV, or insensate with a beer in their hand, or busy partying their life away in pursuit if the next sexual experience. The worst place of waste however is the countless energy -though well intended- that is wasted trying to make this stupid scenario work. Call your congress man. Bah! Might as well get the 1 800# for Satan & Lucifer Inc. and talk to one of their friendly reps, it amounts to the same thing.
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Comment #33 posted by Hope on September 10, 2007 at 12:57:57 PT
Comment 30
Oh no. Still another premature death due to the illegality of a non-poisonous plant.It's got to stop.
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Comment #32 posted by Hope on September 10, 2007 at 12:53:11 PT
Museman Comment 28
That's horrible, Museman. I'm so sorry. The moral hideousness of using people as guinea pigs, without their knowledge, is intolerable, no matter what they might think they are trying to accomplish.They do deserve jail time. To think that people like that get off scot free and people are punished every day for marijuana possession. It's so wrong.There's bound to be a reckoning for that sort of stuff some day, and no excuse will be acceptable.
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Comment #31 posted by The GCW on September 10, 2007 at 12:45:58 PT
Take action.
-EMERGENCY INDUSTRIAL HEMP ACTION ALERT-Demand a Senate vote for AB 684!September 10, 2007 — AB 684, the Industrial Hemp Farming Act, passed the California Assembly, every relevant Senate committee and, as of the end of August, looked like it was heading straight for the governor. Now, political wrangling is keeping the bill from getting its Senate floor vote. Vote Hemp needs you to contact President pro Tempore Sen. Perata and Democratic Caucus Chair Sen. Migden immediately to ask them to let our industrial hemp bill be voted on before the Senate adjourns tomorrow. We can't let an industrial hemp bill supported by 71% of Californians go down without a vote! Please call their offices today: President pro Tempore Sen. Perata: (916) 651-4009Democratic Caucus Chair Sen. Migden: (916) 651-4003Or send them faxes or e-mails:http://capwiz.com/votehemp/issues/alert/?alertid=9480636&type=CUAbout Vote Hemp Vote Hemp is a non-profit organization dedicated to the acceptance of and a free market for industrial hemp and to changes in current law to allow U.S. farmers to once again grow industrial hemp. Industrial hemp is non-psychoactive, low-THC varieties of the Cannabis sativa plant.Web Site: http://www.votehemp.com
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Comment #30 posted by FoM on September 10, 2007 at 12:40:13 PT
News Article from KNBC
Deputies: Suspect Killed During Shootout At Marijuana FarmSeptember 10, 2007http://www.knbc.com/news/14083510/detail.html
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Comment #29 posted by Dankhank on September 10, 2007 at 12:34:43 PT
good one aolbites
Every time we can show the rank hypocrisies of the medical establishment we win ...
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Comment #28 posted by museman on September 10, 2007 at 12:31:54 PT
Hope # 20
I just had to comment on this.Do you know where that vaccine came from?I do. During the VietNam war, the military; Army, Navy, and Marines did experiments on recruits. Everything from 'modified LSD' to bio-warfare. People know about Agent Orange, and now they know about the stuff like 'MK-Ultra' but though the military now admits to doing these things, very little has come out in the media about it. I know because I was one of the survivors of one of their little experiments, and it is highly likely that my blood was used in deriving the vaccine.Of course they deny it of, and claim that 'there is no record' and there is a noticeable gap in my medical records which they cannot account for (and my VA rep is on it).My current condition of degenerating spine is -I am convinced of it- directly related to their using me as a guinea pig for their experiments.I nearly died, and two of the other unsuspecting subjects did die. I saw one of the body bags hauled out of the barracks, because I was sick and still in my barracks next door -I don't think they realized I was there.The reason I am bringing this up, is that so many people are under the illusion that their government has somehow changed the way things are done since then, and the fact is that they are the same group of people. Oh they may have passed the torch to a younger generation (their own progeny), but the M.O., the power, the attitude, and the corruption is still the same.In the ancient scriptures 'God' [YHWH] tells us that He appointed the basest of men to rule over us. That has not changed. Scum still rises to the top of the dominant society, and the closer you get to the top, the more stinkin it gets.Our government is illegal, immoral, a bunch of thieves and demons, and no amount of political posturing by any member of their club is ever going to change that. No election of that 'inner circle' is going to do anything but 'stay the course.'If you ask me, they owe us -the ones that they used to get their little vaccine (which they have had since before 1975 -and didn't admit it until 1993- which was when I began to put two and two together) and the families of the ones that didn't make it - they owe us big time. And as one of the ones whose immune system was used to create the vaccine, I claim a certain amount of 'authorship' and copyright to that vaccine. I hereby demand that it be given away free to any and all takers, and that the government, military, and pharmas make restitution to all the unwilling participants of their various clandestine ops like this one.A little prison time for their actions wouldn't hurt my feelings either.
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Comment #27 posted by aolbites on September 10, 2007 at 12:19:02 PT
Sorta ot:Adverse U.S. drug events have doubled
Ya know how very safe all those FDA approved drugs are right? cannabis is illegal cause its not safe or something right?
-------------------------------------------Adverse U.S. drug events have doubledPHILADELPHIA, Sept. 10 (UPI) -- The number of serious adverse drug events reported to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration more than doubled between 1998 and 2005, a report said.A serious adverse drug event, defined by the FDA, means death, a birth defect, disability, hospitalization or a life-threatening event or required intervention to prevent harm. Such events are voluntarily reported to the FDA through its Adverse Event Reporting System known as MedWatch reports.Thomas J. Moore of the Institute for Safe Medication Practices in Huntingdon Valley, Penn., and colleagues analyzed serious adverse drug events reported to the FDA through AERS from 1998 through 2005.During the study period, a total of 467,809 serious adverse events were reported -- a 2.6-fold increase from 34,966 to 89,842. The number of fatal adverse drug events increased from 5,519 to 15,107 in the same time frame -- a 2.7-fold increase.The overall relative increase was four times faster than the growth in total U.S. outpatient prescriptions, which grew in the same period from 2.7 billion to 3.8 billion, the study reported in the Archives of Internal Medicine.The report also found that a total of 1,489 drugs were associated with adverse events, but a subset of 51 drugs each had 500 or more reports in any year, or 43.6 percent of the total adverse event reports in the study.------------------Wow, sure as hell sounds like we need more DRUG TESTING![Hey FDA! You morons you were supposed to test the drugs!! what have you been doing!?!? testing the people?]----------------
oh and joy heres 2 from below that one..
------------------Doctors often dismiss drug side-effects (August 23, 2007) -- U.S. doctors frequently ignore or dismiss drug side-effects reported to them by their patients, a study found. Physician monitoring of drug ... > full storyStress makes inflammatory disease worse (August 18, 2007) -- Chronic stress can aggravate neurodegenerative diseases such as multiple sclerosis and other inflammatory diseases, U.S. researchers said. A study ... > full story----------------so lets see, side effects don't matter - unless its cannabis, and that side effect is happiness and stress relief -Things that help improve conditions that cannabis already treats [sounds like that blasted cannibinoid system again - make sure you get your vitamin M guys!! the side effects of having a f'd up cannibinoid system are pretty nasty!]
Adverse U.S. drug events have doubled
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Comment #26 posted by fight_4_freedom on September 10, 2007 at 12:15:03 PT:
just found this
Calif. Pot Dealer Calls Police After Armed Thieves Stole His Quarter-Pound Stash of Marijuana
09-07-2007 2:53 PM
SANTA CRUZ, Calif. (Associated Press) -- A marijuana dealer
telephoned police after armed thieves stole his quarter-pound stash of pot. The
19-year-old Felton man told police that two men, one of them armed
with a handgun, robbed him at gunpoint as he sat in his car on Tuesday
night.
"It was unique to have people who were dealing drugs calling us when
they've been ripped off," police spokesman Zach Friend said.
After the thieves made off with his stash, the dealer telephoned
police. When police arrived, the dealer's story became progressively
confused.
First he showed officers a medical marijuana card and told them he
bought the pot at a medical marijuana dispensary. Then he said he got the
pot from a friend. Eventually the dealer admitted he had arranged to
sell the marijuana to the men who stole it from him, investigators said.
The Felton dealer wasn't arrested.
"From our standpoint, it's more important to address the fact there
are individuals out there who are willing to use a weapon to commit
robberies," Friend said.
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Comment #25 posted by Hope on September 10, 2007 at 09:32:59 PT
The poll results at this point
Yes. It's a great way to prevent and address substance abuse issues in kids. 35%No. The tests are easy to fool. Better to spend money on anti-drug programs that work. 61%
I'm not sure. 4.8%
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Comment #24 posted by Hope on September 10, 2007 at 09:30:51 PT
The article with the poll is worth reading
Parents, experts divided on school drug testinghttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20631668/
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Comment #23 posted by Hope on September 10, 2007 at 09:23:49 PT
Poll about Drug Testing for teens
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20631668/
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Comment #22 posted by Hope on September 10, 2007 at 09:05:07 PT
Wasting money on "Protecting" them from pot.
Students' meningitis shots should be requiredhttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20630968/Killer at college: Meningitis threatens studentshttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20519953/Meningitis leaves lasting scars, readers sayhttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20611681/Few teens getting new meningitis shothttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20511363/
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Comment #21 posted by FoM on September 10, 2007 at 08:43:56 PT
Just a Note
I hope we get some news worth posting soon. This is a very slow time normally but hopefully it will pick up soon.
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Comment #20 posted by Hope on September 10, 2007 at 07:31:46 PT
Government and "Mandatory" stuff.
I don't like other people running my life and telling everything to do and not do, but some things really do save lives. Mandatory vaccines virtually wiped out Small Pox and Polio. There's a vaccine available for Meningitis, now. Meningitis is a horrible, filthy, hideous, deadly disease that kills and maims, and the suffering... oh my gosh...I've seen it.Our government needs to spend the money they waste on testing urine and harassing people, to make sure they don't party too hearty or use cannabis for anything, and instead, make the Meningitis vaccine mandatory and pay for it... for everyone, starting with children. It needs to be done as soon as possible before anyone else has to suffer and die from it.Instead of protecting our children from a hideous disease that could be wiped out, like smallpox or polio was... they throw huge amounts of money at making sure the populace doesn't disobey their law and enjoy a herb... and then whine about not having enough money to vaccinate people. They took the money they have from us...this is one thing to help they need to do with it.Meningitis vaccines instead of drug tests and raids...NOW!!
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Comment #19 posted by greenmed on September 10, 2007 at 03:17:07 PT
whig
Thanks for the clarification. It is good that OCBC offers that service for its clients. Keeping medical records, of which a state or co-op card is one, out of government hands completely seems like the safest option legally for now... at least until rogue law-enforcement stops collaborating with the DEA on their mission against medical Cannabis.The more I learn about California's statute, the more I appreciate the thought and planning that has gone into it.
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Comment #18 posted by Toker00 on September 10, 2007 at 03:12:47 PT
We are stronger.
Yeh though I walk through the valley of the shadow of DEAth,I will fear no evil.It's amazing how the sick have the courage to stand up to DEAth and face an overwhelming Evil. If only the men of DEAth were strong enough to stand up and face the overwhelming Evil of Prohibition. Wimps. All of them.DEAths motto: Live eviL. You have to Live your life backwards to Live eviL.Toke.
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Comment #17 posted by whig on September 10, 2007 at 00:34:59 PT
greenmed
You don't even need a state identification card, OCBC provides this same service for a much lower cost. Their cards aren't accepted in as many places, however, especially outside of the Bay Area.And of course if you keep your doctor's recommendation handy, or a photocopy in your wallet, that is all you should reasonably need.
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Comment #16 posted by greenmed on September 09, 2007 at 19:52:21 PT
bad precedent
Each zip tie is linked to an individual identification card to prevent fraud. The zip ties go around the base of each female flowering marijuana plant, allowing sheriff's deputies to know at a glance if a medical marijuana garden is in compliance.If a garden is in compliance, sheriff's deputies are instructed to leave the garden alone. Wilkins said he has not heard of any medical patient using zip-ties having plants seized.One important reason state cards are supposed to be issued by the Department of Health Services is so private medical records and lists of card-holders are not available to law enforcement. The idea of zip ties, available from the Sheriff's Office, reverses that separation and probably violates the Fifth Amendment.The bad precedent it sets is the presumption that law enforcement can search any card-holder's home or property to tally numbers of plants or amount of Cannabis medicine whenever they wish. There is a better solution, and it's already in place.http://www.dhs.ca.gov/mmp/default.htmFrom the California Health and Safety Code:11362.7. (g) "Identification card" means a document issued by the State Department of Health Services that document identifies a person authorized to engage in the medical use of marijuana and the person's designated primary caregiver, if any.11362.71. (a) (2) The department shall establish and maintain a 24-hour, toll-free telephone number that will enable state and local law enforcement officers to have immediate access to information necessary to verify the validity of an identification card issued by the department, until a cost-effective Internet Web-based system can be developed for this purpose.http://www.dhs.ca.gov/mmp/Legislative_History/Links/H&S_Code_11362.74.htm
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Comment #15 posted by Sam Adams on September 09, 2007 at 18:29:09 PT
Good Joke
You guys missed the important detail: 60 people are using the zip ties this year -when they're free. Next year Sheriff plans on charging 25 bucks per plant. I would wager that participation will drop from 60 to 0. I hope no one pays a dime to this uniformed bully.
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Comment #14 posted by Dankhank on September 09, 2007 at 15:47:39 PT
history channel
now ...9/11 conspiracies point/counterpoint ...
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Comment #13 posted by whig on September 09, 2007 at 09:46:56 PT
Wayne
You're right. It's a racket. Don't buy zip ties. It won't make you safer anyhow, it will just mark you as a sucker^H^H^H^H^H^H grower.
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Comment #12 posted by ripit on September 09, 2007 at 09:00:15 PT:
legal extortion?
and just where would the money from these zips go?i still don't know how anybody be able to get by with just 6 plants.
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Comment #11 posted by Wayne on September 09, 2007 at 08:53:07 PT
This is a racket. Plain and simple. Am I wrong??
But it's the LEOs who are running it, and they're the good guys, so I suppose we should all just shut up and get in line and "support those troops", and soon the war will be won!"The term racket comes from the Italian word 'ricatto' (blackmail) and is also used as a pejorative term for legitimate businesses. Typically, this usage is based on the example of the 'protection racket' and indicates that the speaker believes that the business [i.e., police] is making money by selling a solution to a problem that it created (or that it intentionally allows to continue to exist) [i.e., drug busts], specifically so that continuous purchases of the solution are always needed. [i.e., $25 for a 25¢ zip-tie]"
Racket (crime)
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Comment #10 posted by Had Enough on September 09, 2007 at 08:40:15 PT
Tax Collector
Tax Collector“The zip-ties are free this year while the Sheriff's Office works out the kinks. No prices have been set for next year although Allman has said the Sheriff's Office has considered charging $25 per zip-tie, with a half-price reduction for those on MediCal.”Well they found another way of tax it without making it legal and accessible.25 bucks per zip tie. Sheeze Louise!!!The Sheriff is setting the price. Of all departments setting fees and taxes, the sheriff dept???Hey, I got an idea.How about re-legalizing pot and hemp farming. Let it be grown and sold, and at the same time farmers and markets for hemp will make a profit too. Collect the ‘tax and fee money’ along the way like everything else these days, if you must. Free Enterprise right???Good bye crude oil and all the ills of society that comes with it.Tax Man...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=El9RZvbXIj4
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Comment #9 posted by mayan on September 09, 2007 at 02:49:03 PT
Zip-Ties
If they're going to do that then they should be free. It's pathetic how some will try to screw the sick out of everything they have.THE WAY OUT IS THE WAY IN...Alex Jones Arrested by NYPD:
http://www.nationalexpositor.com/News/322.html9/11 meeting sparks town hall row:
http://tinyurl.com/2epxcpRenowned leaders call for a new investigation of 9/11; ignored by mainstream media:
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20070908232528506Two Films and a Thousand Questions:
http://www.edmontonsun.com/Entertainment/Weekend/2007/09/07/4476241-sun.htmlCanadian Broadcasting Corporation to Air 9/11 Truth Documentary:
http://www.cbc.ca/sunday/2006/09/091006_1.htmlBin Laden: Still Dead After all these Years:
http://adereview.com/blog/?p=29We're webcasting 9/11 truth from NYC!
http://911blogger.com/node/11198
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Comment #8 posted by Hope on September 08, 2007 at 23:04:49 PT
Alva Mae Groves
Another victim of the War on Drugs.Cruel, shameful, and so unnecessary.That poor little old lady wasn't a danger to anyone.She's was treated so badly by her fellow man. So badly.Rest in Peace, Ms. Alva Mae. I'm sorry, so sorry, about what was done to you.
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Comment #7 posted by whig on September 08, 2007 at 21:15:06 PT
Treeanna
I agree, people who cannot afford to pay should not have to be treated as criminals.I look at it like the state identification generally, though. Some people want to have them because they think it will make them safer. I don't have one, and California law doesn't require it. You don't have to get the sheriff's zip ties either.
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Comment #6 posted by The GCW on September 08, 2007 at 19:05:04 PT
86-Year-Old Alva Mae Groves Dies Behind Bars
Drug War Prisoners: 86-Year-Old Alva Mae Groves Dies Behind Bars by Drug War Chronicle, Issue #499, 8/24/07 (02 Sept, 2007) http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/5078.html
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Comment #5 posted by Treeanna on September 08, 2007 at 18:27:56 PT
whig
Well, I am on SSI, so no way could I afford that. That same lack of funds means I can file my lawsuits for free, though, so I do ;)There is no reason you cannot have your medicine and assert your rights at the same time.
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Comment #4 posted by whig on September 08, 2007 at 18:07:33 PT
Treeanna
The whole thing is a protection racket, but we should be picking our battles. I don't have a state card because it's not required, all you need in California is a doctor's recommendation and I have that. I like the OCBC though.For some people it's not about what we have a right to do, it's about getting their medicine. Period.
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Comment #3 posted by whig on September 08, 2007 at 18:05:45 PT
Auspicious start
Wilkins said 420 people have applied for a state card in the first six months of 2007, and the process can take up to four weeks.
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Comment #2 posted by Treeanna on September 08, 2007 at 16:21:19 PT
Racket
How nice that the Sheriff allows patients to pay for protection that allows them to do unmolested what they are entitled to under the law.Someone needs to sue his ass over this.
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Comment #1 posted by FoM on September 08, 2007 at 15:31:45 PT
The Last Waltz
On Channel 547 on DirecTV they are showing The Last Waltz. I have seen it many times but it always is good. I hope everyone is having a nice weekend.
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