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  Judge Turns Down County Challenge To Medical Pot 

Posted by CN Staff on November 17, 2006 at 07:01:21 PT
By Jeff McDonald, Union-Tribune Staff Writer 
Source: San Diego Union Tribune  

San Diego, CA -- A Superior Court judge yesterday rejected a claim by San Diego County that California's medical-marijuana laws directly conflict with federal drug statutes. The tentative ruling was issued hours before oral arguments were presented in the lawsuit that the county brought earlier this year against the state, which legalized the use of marijuana for health purposes a decade ago.
Merced and San Bernardino counties later joined San Diego in the case, which is the first of its kind in California and is being closely watched by officials from Sacramento to Washington. San Diego Superior Court Judge William R. Nevitt Jr. took the matter under submission after the two-hour hearing in a crowded downtown courtroom. A final ruling is likely to be issued next month. The tentative decision makes clear that Nevitt considers the will of voters to be critical. California's medical-marijuana initiative passed with 56 percent support, but its implementation has been hampered by federal drug laws, which prohibit any use or possession of marijuana. “When the voters passed Proposition 215, they expressly stated that one of their purposes was to 'ensure that seriously ill Californians have the right to obtain and use marijuana for medical purposes,' ” Nevitt ruled. Although not unexpected, the preliminary decision was welcome news to medical-marijuana activists, who showed up in force at the Hall of Justice. One man was on crutches and another used an electric scooter. Outside the courthouse, they cheered the decision as lawyers for advocacy groups appeared before TV cameras. “California's medical-marijuana laws are safe today,” said Adam Wolf, an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union, one of three groups to join the state as co-defendants in the case. “We now have three counties trying to put politics over science – trying to put politics over the health and well-being of patients.” Snipped: Complete Article: http://tinyurl.com/vnhejSource: San Diego Union Tribune (CA)Author:  Jeff McDonald, Union-Tribune Staff WriterPublished: November 17, 2006 Copyright: 2006 Union-Tribune Publishing Co.Contact: letters uniontrib.comWebsite: http://www.uniontrib.com/Related Articles & Web Site:ACLUhttp://www.aclu.org/Tentative Ruling Nixes Challenge To Marijuanahttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread22387.shtmlJudge Rejects San Diego Challenge To MMJ Lawhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread22384.shtml

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Comment #51 posted by Hope on November 19, 2006 at 23:04:16 PT
Grandmothers in Texas
And, yes...we've been very busy grandmothering!Whew!And the Holidays begin!
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Comment #50 posted by FoM on November 18, 2006 at 15:44:52 PT

Toker00
Our best friend back in that time in the 70s had a palm cross around his mirror in his car and I asked him if he was religious and he looked at me and grinned and said no but he figured if the cops stopped him it might help him out. I was stunned because I never heard anything like that before. He was called Padre. I asked him how he got his name and he said that he did some acid one night and it didn't kick in until the middle of the night. He was an altar boy and he had to get up and do altar boy stuff and when he got there the statues were dancing and someone gave him the name Padre. I couldn't believe that either but it was true. I was a very sheltered person.
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Comment #49 posted by FoM on November 18, 2006 at 15:25:27 PT

Toker00
Feather roach clips. I haven't thought of them in years. Some gutsy people hung them on their mirrors in the car.
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Comment #48 posted by Toker00 on November 18, 2006 at 15:12:05 PT

One other thing we wore that was big.
Crosses. In our ears, around our necks, embroidered and on patches. That might have just been a local thing, though. Tell me.Yes. Sandals, fatigue shirt, head band, Lennon Sunglasses. Beads, too. All the ones I ever had were hand made by local chicks. :) Remember macrame? Feather roach clips. Leather roach clips and anything else leather. Hand made Cannabis pipes, anything carved of jade or wood. Army boots in the winter, with a Long coat, hat/brim, that ever present joint/bag/bowl.We went through a lot to spread the ideas of our generation. We took a lot of sh*t for it. But we gave the world some new ideas. Ideas we may all come to depend on some day. And they can't get rid of us. We're the ones who Never Say Die and Won't Back Down. We're still here. The posters, the black lights, the religious exploration, the psychedelic, the acid, the art, the New Ideas, they're all still here, if only in our minds. We're still waiting. Has the Revolution started YET?Toke. 
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Comment #47 posted by FoM on November 18, 2006 at 11:50:47 PT

Clothes From Long Ago
How to Dress Like a Hippie1. Do have a flower. I know the song says "in your hair" but the truth is that it's hard to get the things to stay put.2. No flower? Go for the Pocahontas headband. 3. Hair is long and "unkempt looking." (My mother's words) But it is clean. Yes, we washed our hair. Hey, deep down we were Baby Boomers from suburbia.4. Women could wear a mini or even micro skirt provided she had decent legs. A chain belt was groovy. Boots or go-go boots were okay too.5. Men - Jeans, the grungier the better. Leather vests were big too.6. Fringe - for all. Vest, jackets, pants, shirts. Anything could be fringed.7. Peace symbol. Every last one of us had at least one peace symbol.
 http://www.fiftiesweb.com/fashion/hippie-clothes.htm
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Comment #46 posted by whig on November 18, 2006 at 11:27:00 PT

still reading
I just don't want to say much right now.
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Comment #45 posted by Dankhank on November 18, 2006 at 11:12:25 PT

Nehru shirts ...
Had one, myself ... my mother made it for me.Wore it to see the James Gang, circa 1968 in central GA.http://www.monarch-garments.com/nehrushirts.asphttp://www.shopzilla.com/8B--Miscellaneous_-_cat_id--20000001__keyword--nehru%20shirts__nwylf--appears to be popular in the UK.
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Comment #44 posted by Toker00 on November 18, 2006 at 04:42:01 PT

Had Enough
Great recall and observation! You are right on. Remember the Nero shirts? I wouldn't be caught dead with one on now, but man, were they the rage. And Medallions. We used to wear huge belt buckles on our belts that we would take off and use for defense when attacked. Violence can be stupid, but it's more stupid to stand there and get your butt kicked.Whig, I apologize. It's just that there was a time in America when we did not allow the Government to interfere with raising our children, nor did we run to the police every time we were assaulted. I know you don't understand that and I suspect you were not raised around commoners, and certainly not in the South. I, in no way, am faulting you here. We all have different environments. I wish violence wasn't a fact of life, but it is. Sometimes us guys need to talk about it, and share things we have been through. I apologize if that makes you think we are advocates of violence. We are not. Just as I don't think you would be quite as non-violent as you profess to be if someone were to attack you. I want you to know that we all appreciate your stance of non-violence, and sure don't want you to change. But let us make statements without comparing us to you. OK? Just lighten up on the comparisons, that's all.Every thing's gonna be alright, Lullaby.  Toke.
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Comment #43 posted by Had Enough on November 18, 2006 at 03:34:55 PT

Planes, Trains, & Automobiles
Vans, it was the vans.re: #38“I remember a friend and I had just bought on old Ford Econoline Van and had painted it with the flower power etc. We would sneak out and smoke pot in that van, when we could. And it wasn't that often, but it was magic when we did. We didn't have a care, and didn't have a clue. We were brand new, and we thought we could make life what we wanted to make it. Foolishly we believed Peace and Love would over come ALL in just a few years. The Rockers would be Presidents. We would show the world how to live. At least it's fun remembering how silly we were. I don't think kids these days even get a chance to be silly.”For a Hundred Bucks or so you could get a worn out van, put carpet and an 8-track tape player with multiple speakers in it and you had a cool ride. We did that here too. The van was the place to be. Gas was 20 cents a gallon and a couple of bucks would take you pretty far.Prohibition I gave us NASCAR. The early drivers used to run booze through the backwoods and out run the revenuers. On weekends they would be at the dirt tracks to see who could out drive each other, and who could trick their car out the most for speed. In the 60’s the car that won Sunday was the car that sold Monday at the car lots.I have always kinda wondered what Prohibition II would leave us. Look around, it was the vans. They were transformed into a whole new industry with companies that would buy them new, customize the interior, put toppers, fender flares, custom wheels, and different paint schemes. Before that all customs vans were customized one at a time by the owner. That in turn led to a boom in motor homes that we see today. In the 80’s rockers used to buy retired Greyhound busses and convert them and use them for travel. Now look at the busses the big time rockers use.It was the Vans, and we did it.******I have to agree about today’s youth; they are under that watchful eye we rebelled against. I thought when our generation took over, things would be better. I thought, we will show mankind a world full of peace and tranquility; we will get to show the “old guys” how to run things. Look what happened. The peacemakers were killed, and off to war we went, again.*******Peace? I used to get beat up sometimes because of my long hair. But 
I figured I would stand up for what’s right, started fighting back. A good friend (now departed) and I, used to wear these chain type dog chokers around our necks, we modified them so they wouldn’t tighten when you pulled on it.  That, my friends became a target trophy for some. We heard terms like hippy trash, pinko commie fag, comments like, I’m gonna rip that chain off your neck and shove it up your ass, etc... Many tried to beat us up and rip that chain off our necks and carry it off. It might have been torn off a few times, but nobody ever was able to walk away with it. After altercations we fixed them and put them right back on. Now I see the same style chains of similar thickness made of gold hanging around the necks of the same type of person who back in the day would be one of the people wanting to fight us over our long hair and try to tear off that chain necklace we wore.I saw some of my long hair friends acting in different ways as time went on, then came that Coke infested Disco Duck armed with a silver spoon for up your nose, my friends were telling me that Rock N Roll was dead, get over it, move on. I kept getting beat up, screwed with by cops, and had people tell me if I got a haircut, they would give me a job. Well in the 90’s I finally cut my hair. Same person different hairstyle. I have had many people tell me thank you for doing a fine job, or you are a very well appreciated here, or maybe a thank you for holding a door open for them at a store etc…. While accepting their thanks, I think, would you have said the same if I had my hair in a ponytail half way down my back (where it belongs)? 

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Comment #42 posted by whig on November 17, 2006 at 23:33:29 PT

Bye for now
I need a break from CNews. I love you all.
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Comment #41 posted by whig on November 17, 2006 at 23:29:04 PT

I'm tired of this too
I don't like the sniping either. Peace?
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Comment #40 posted by whig on November 17, 2006 at 23:27:53 PT

Toker00
I wasn't saying I was less aggressive or violent, I wasn't comparing myself to you in any way like that. Maybe I've made too many fires and now I am seen as a flame thrower.I'm just younger. Next gen in that sense. Not your gen. X, not boomer.
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Comment #39 posted by FoM on November 17, 2006 at 19:32:55 PT

Toker00
We did have a dream. When I think of how the students stood up and made the powers that be pay attention it makes me proud to have been part of that generation. I understand what you mean. Stand up for our rights like Bob Marley sang about. 
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Comment #38 posted by Toker00 on November 17, 2006 at 19:22:01 PT

Has anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?Or something like that. That was a sad time, FoM. We don't have many heroes to fantasize about these days, do we? I remember a friend and I had just bought on old Ford Econoline Van and had painted it with the flower power etc. We would sneak out and smoke pot in that van, when we could. And it wasn't that often, but it was magic when we did. We didn't have a care, and didn't have a clue. We were brand new, and we thought we could make life what we wanted to make it. Foolishly we believed Peace and Love would over come ALL in just a few years. The Rockers would be Presidents. We would show the world how to live. At least it's fun remembering how silly we were. I don't think kids these days even get a chance to be silly.Yes whig, I realize you are probably far less violent or aggressive than I am, or have been in my life. I don't care. I am what I am, and I am not ashamed of it. At least I am realistic, and within my realm of life experience. I never advocated anything but gentleness with children, that was just a figure of speech I knew FoM might understand, that's all. Why do I always feel like I have to defend myself from you? I don't have a problem with it, I just don't understand why you think you have to criticize any small reference to roughness, or physical defense, or whatever. I would have to guess you have NEVER been in a physical altercation as a child or adult. Am I right? Toke. 
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Comment #37 posted by global_warming on November 17, 2006 at 19:17:52 PT

re: What did he see?
A Free CannabisA Free People
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Comment #36 posted by global_warming on November 17, 2006 at 19:05:17 PT

And when Moses Came Down From The MT
What did he see?
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Comment #35 posted by FoM on November 17, 2006 at 18:53:59 PT

Toker00
We are watching a special on the Discovery Times Channel about the assassination of Bobby Kennedy. I was only 20 and had a year old son when he was murdered. I wasn't involved in politics but somewhere I thought if it was right and a different way I would be interested in time. When he was murdered something died. Martin Luther King had just been assassinated and I was still shocked and hurt by his death. Maybe hope died for many people and in a way it started to kill the hope of my generation. Then we got Nixon and the rest is history. http://www.bobby-the-movie.com/

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Comment #34 posted by FoM on November 17, 2006 at 18:31:20 PT

Mayan
Thank you. Yes I did see the Let's Impeach The President video. It was really something to see Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young perform it live. What a song and what a video projected on to I think it was 8 large screens. 
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Comment #33 posted by mayan on November 17, 2006 at 18:24:30 PT

Remember Them
The supervisors who voted to file the suit are Pam Slater-Price, Dianne Jacob and board Chairman Bill Horn.We must be vigilant and remember those who wish to punish the sick and dying. We must make them pay a political price each and every time!FoM, I didn't know if you had seen this...Neil Young: Let's Impeach The President (video):
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/november2006/161106Impeach.htmTHE WAY OUT IS THE WAY IN...New "Planet Mancow" Fox Show Features Infowars Team Member -
 Kevin Smith debates 9/11 fireman in expected hit piece: 
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/november2006/171106planetmancow.htmFox News Show 'Planet Mancow' to 'Rip into' 9/11 Skeptics:
http://911blogger.com/node/4531
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Comment #32 posted by global_warming on November 17, 2006 at 18:14:28 PT

just passing through
my state and your statepaid my taxeswas wondering at some sunrisewhen good peoplecatch a glimpseand fall in lovethat good eye can see
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Comment #31 posted by whig on November 17, 2006 at 18:01:08 PT

gw 
If you do not own land or take privileges from the state, what do you owe the state?
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Comment #30 posted by global_warming on November 17, 2006 at 17:48:37 PT

re: taxes
"Tax collectors do come a knockin if you owe them money."Why do I owe them money?I will invest in my societyWhen Cannabis is freeLike my blessed oregano
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Comment #29 posted by FoM on November 17, 2006 at 17:46:27 PT

global_warming
There's nothing to apologize for. I just didn't understand.
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Comment #28 posted by FoM on November 17, 2006 at 17:45:03 PT

ACLU Press Release
California's Medical Marijuana Laws Get Nod from Court ***November 16, 2006Ruling Would Deny Counties' Attempt to Undermine Patient ProtectionsSAN DIEGO - Medical marijuana patients around the country scored a major win today, as a California Superior Court judge issued a preliminary ruling that state medical marijuana laws can co-exist with the federal law that prohibits all use. Following oral arguments by the American Civil Liberties Union, Americans for Safe Access and the Drug Policy Alliance, as well as the California Attorney General's office, a San Diego Superior Court judge appeared poised to reject the contention of three California counties - San Diego, San Bernardino and Merced - that the state's medical marijuana laws are invalid because of a conflict with federal law. While no final opinion was issued, a tentative ruling released prior to the hearing dismissed the counties' arguments in their entirety."We are looking forward to a major win for the democratic process and the constitutional rights of all Californians," said Adam Wolf, an attorney with the ACLU Drug Law Reform Project. "This ruling destroys the claim that medical marijuana laws are inherently invalid and confirms that states need not march in lockstep with the federal prohibition of medical marijuana."Enacted in 1996, the Compassionate Use Act, also known as Proposition 215, removes legal penalties for patients who use marijuana on a doctor's recommendation. The Medical Marijuana Program Act, passed by the California legislature in 2003, mandates an identification card program that helps law enforcement properly identify qualified patients.Following the ruling, San Diego County Supervisor Bill Horn indicated the counties' willingness to abide by state law, telling the Associated Press, "All we wanted was guidance from the court telling us where we're at so we don't break any rules and lose any funding." 
Once the court finalizes its ruling, the ACLU, Americans for Safe Access (ASA) and the Drug Policy Alliance (DPA) expect that the counties' will move quickly to implement the state's medical marijuana laws, as the group expressed during today's hearing."Medical cannabis patients everywhere should soon breathe easier," said Steph Sherer, executive director of ASA. "States can act to protect patients, and local officials are now on notice that they cannot hide behind the federal reluctance to acknowledge medical use of marijuana."The California Attorney General's office joined the ACLU, ASA and the Drug Policy Alliance (DPA) in arguing that state medical marijuana laws are not invalidated by conflicting federal statutes - an opinion previously voiced by the attorneys general of several other states, including Colorado, Hawaii and Oregon, which permit medical use of marijuana.The groups argued that while the federal government is free to enforce its ban on medical marijuana, even in states such as California that permit its use, all states remain free to adopt and implement medical marijuana policies of their own design."The tentative ruling upholds the state of California's sovereign right to fashion common-sense, responsible and compassionate drug policies for its residents," said Tamar Todd, an attorney for DPA. "Today's ruling makes clear that states need not wage the federal government's failed drug war."Eleven states have so far acted to fully and effectively protect the right of qualified individuals to use medical marijuana with the approval of a physician: Alaska, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington.The case originated from a lawsuit initially brought against the State of California by San Diego County, which was later joined by San Bernardino and Merced counties. The ACLU, ASA and DPA intervened in the proceedings on behalf of medical marijuana patients and their caregivers and doctors in order to assure adequate representation of those most impacted by the case.The groups represent Wendy Christakes, the late Pamela Sakuda, William Britt and Yvonne Westbrook, all Californians who use physician-recommended marijuana to treat medical conditions and their side-effects, including chronic pain and sciatica, multiple sclerosis, rectal cancer, epilepsy and post-polio syndrome. The groups also represent Sakuda's spouse and caregiver, Norbert Litzinger, as well as Dr. Stephen O'Brien, a physician who specializes in HIV/AIDS treatment in Oakland, California, and believes that many of his seriously ill patients benefit from the medical use of marijuana."We just wish Pam had lived to see this," said Sherer of ASA. Pamela Sakuda, one of the plaintiffs, died on Friday after a long battle with cancer. In addition to being co-counsel, ASA was also a party to the proceedings on behalf of its membership, which includes thousands of medical marijuana patients, caregivers and physicians residing in California. The Wo/Men's Alliance for Medical Marijuana (WAMM) is represented by the group as well. WAMM is a medical marijuana collective and hospice located in Santa Cruz, California, whose 250 members, the majority of whom are terminally ill, use marijuana to treat a range of conditions.CONTACT: media aclu.orgThe court's tentative ruling, issued earlier today by Judge William R. Nevitt, and which is expected to be finalized in the near future, is available at: http://www.aclu.org/drugpolicy/medmarijuana/27433lgl20061116.htmlThe group's most recent legal filing is online at: http://www.aclu.org/drugpolicy/medmarijuana/27396lgl20061103.htmlAdditional information on the case is available at: http://www.aclu.org/drugpolicy/medmarijuana/26388prs20060804.html
 
 URL: http://www.aclu.org/drugpolicy/medmarijuana/27446prs20061116.html
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Comment #27 posted by global_warming on November 17, 2006 at 17:36:47 PT

so sorry fomme
Cannabis Prohibition must endSlavery Must Be Abolished Each Good Hand can saluteOn the trail Towards Glory 
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Comment #26 posted by FoM on November 17, 2006 at 17:34:15 PT

global_warming 
You lost me. Tax collectors do come a knockin if you owe them money. I read somewhere that they are going to try to seal property tax for seniors. That would be a good thing. Even if a person pays off their house the taxes can push them into selling it. I also don't know why people who don't have children must pay taxes for other people's children to go to school. It would be nice if people paid taxes when they have school age children and when they are on their own and an adult that it would not be required. Just some of my wishes. 
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Comment #25 posted by global_warming on November 17, 2006 at 17:12:41 PT

re: sometimes two jobs 
and the tax collectorkeeping busyLooking at my place
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Comment #24 posted by FoM on November 17, 2006 at 17:02:42 PT

More on Captalism and My Thoughts
I don't have anything against Capitalism. My husband and I have been self employed for over 20 years. I believe in home ownership and trying to have a comfortable life. I guess what bothers me is how it has gotten so off balance. Good jobs create more jobs. If a person has a good job they can buy a house and buy more things from stores which creates more jobs. The way we are now is we don't have good jobs for blue collar workers. They were the backbone of our country. They built the buildings that house the offices of big companies. They built the bridges and highways and so many other things that made us function and made us a desirable model for the world. Now it isn't that way. We have cheap products but where are the jobs so people can buy some of the now cheap products? The stock market wasn't something the average person invested in but now having whatever a portfolio is seems to be important. It's just not a good way to make things work in my opinion. We are out of balance. We have poor people, rich people and we should have middle class people but there aren't many anymore. It takes both husband and wife working to get a new car or home and sometimes two jobs won't be enough to get those very basic american dreams.
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Comment #23 posted by global_warming on November 17, 2006 at 16:52:16 PT

...It's about perspective
what you are looking atI see too many Cannabis Users In Prison, 
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Comment #22 posted by whig on November 17, 2006 at 16:43:16 PT

gw 
It's about perspective. I see things from here you don't see from there, and vice versa. So it's helpful to give one's position, whether that's a thirty-something married man in Berkeley, or a grandmother in Texas.
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Comment #21 posted by global_warming on November 17, 2006 at 16:38:36 PT

Hey Whig
"I think I am not of your generation but of the next."Is that like saying that I am in cell block 6 and you are in cell block 7?I am not a slave, black or whiteI am a citizenA Child with "A" voteA HandWhich I use to "choose"Where I will be, before that table.Bring your cleanest linenWe can shake hands and saluteCannabis
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Comment #20 posted by whig on November 17, 2006 at 16:26:43 PT

Toker00
Also, my sister is a parent, and I had some experience of her children, so while I do not know what it is to be a parent, I know what gentle parenting looks like.
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Comment #19 posted by global_warming on November 17, 2006 at 16:25:52 PT

re: knows no bounds
There are bounds to everything.
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Comment #18 posted by whig on November 17, 2006 at 16:25:06 PT

Toker00
If I might say, I think I am not of your generation but of the next.
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Comment #17 posted by Toker00 on November 17, 2006 at 16:22:39 PT

FoM
As far as Capitalism goes, we have always had that. And though it has served us well in the past, it has become a monster, unmanageable. It's a system gone haywire. Money has always been a necessary evil, and has done much good for Humanity, but the Evil it is capable of, knows no bounds. We MUST redirect the Monster to the path of the Gentle Giant. We can do that, you know. But we have to be the Parents. WE THE PEOPLE have to take the Guvmint out to the Wood Shed. Know what I mean? It's hard, because they'll go kicking and screaming like a spoiled brat, but we HAVE to do it, as Parents.Toke. 
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Comment #16 posted by global_warming on November 17, 2006 at 16:15:34 PT

re: federal blackmail
“A lot of the money we receive, over $4.3 billion, most of that money comes from the federal government,” Horn said. “And if we violate any of those statutes, we're in jeopardy of losing those dollars.”Mr. Horn, you gave them those taxed dollars, and now look at how they are going to treat you, if you or someone is "ill" and has even a cigarette, maybe he did not inhale, are dragged off into some modern day detention, Mr. Horn, unfortunately you have contributed to this world, and while you wonder what is happening, your sorrowful and useless ass cannot make it to the top of the hill.
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Comment #15 posted by Toker00 on November 17, 2006 at 16:10:06 PT

FoM
Oh, Manson absolutely poisoned the Real Hippie Movement. Media was complicit then, in demonizing our culture, and with a chump like Manson, they had their day with us. Again, with the Stones, easy pickings. Irresponsible Drug Use (Although it was a New Thing to us, what did they expect of an un-drug-educated society? I think we did pretty well, in the long run.) didn't help, either. We are absolutely the remaining survivors of a Culture War. My hair is long again, so there. I'll never be the Hippie I long to be, but I'll never stop being the Hippie I am. I pray our children pick up on this. Peace and Love are things you have to be willing to be ridiculed and hated for. Truth is even more of an investment. But the Rewards are Priceless.Toke. 
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Comment #14 posted by FoM on November 17, 2006 at 14:47:18 PT

Toker00
What caused Captalism to take off at the end of the peace and love movement? Some say it was Manson. Some say it was the violence when the Stones sang Sympathy for the Devil and the Hell's Angels killed someone at Altamont. I don't think that is what caused Captalism to take hold though but they contributed to it.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altamont_Free_Concert
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Comment #13 posted by FoM on November 17, 2006 at 14:41:28 PT

Toker00
They are showing that video on CNN right now. 
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Comment #12 posted by Toker00 on November 17, 2006 at 14:38:36 PT

FoM #7
I remember well the protests that rocked the universities across our Nation during OUR awakening. It was when we WERE a Nation. It was when we woke up, and GOT up and actually FOUGHT for seperation from Racism, Capitalism, Sexism, Class-ism, and all those other -isms of the Time. Right after the seventies, Corporate America Gone Wild came along, and now we are fighting Authoritarianism, Fascism, and, it seems, a new kind of Capitalism/Militarism, and in the same proportions as we fought Racism and Class-ism and Sexism in the sixties/seventies. I'm glad to see women are preparing to do battle with the anti-abortionists, again. I'm just sorry they have to. Oppression just won't give up, will it? Well then we'll just have to make it give out.Cops used to be pretty tough. Now they are cowards. Two cops should normaly be enough physical force to man-handle one young student. If not, then hold him down and call for back up. No, now these chicken sh*ts just pump you full of electrical voltage, and be done with ya. Or hold you down with three or four other cops and beat the hell out of you, or, just to make damn sure you don't escape the Long arm of the Law, they just shoot you dead. Real Manly. Cops don't have to be human any more. They have Souless Technology now. Piss on Humanity. That, my friend, is about to change. Crowds are going to start beating the hell out Cops, soon. I see it brewing. This Authoritarianism has to end, AGAIN! Public Patience is waring very, very thin. Wage Peace on war. END CANNABIS PROHIBITION NOW!
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Comment #11 posted by FoM on November 17, 2006 at 13:47:46 PT

whig
I eliminate even the thought of hate as much as I possibly can from my mind. It doesn't help me. I don't need to know anything about hate because what good does it do me as an individual? I want to make the most of my life and trying to even understand hate would rain on my parade. I am very aware but that's all. That's not healthy for me. 
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Comment #10 posted by whig on November 17, 2006 at 13:40:58 PT

FoM
I reserve a little piece of myself for the purpose of understanding even that which is hateful. I try to always choose love.
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Comment #9 posted by FoM on November 17, 2006 at 13:37:07 PT

Whig
It's an emotion that I don't have so it's hard for me to understand how someone could do that to another person even if you are given the right to do it by the police or government or whoever gives them that authority. Hate and love don't cohabitat very well together. 
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Comment #8 posted by whig on November 17, 2006 at 13:30:15 PT

FoM
I really think they get off on it.
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Comment #7 posted by FoM on November 17, 2006 at 11:03:33 PT

Torture
Torture is heartless. Anyone that can use a taser on another human being I wonder how they would feel if it was a member of their own family getting tasered? I remember years ago when tv shows had police talking people down off a ledge so they wouldn't commit suicide. Would they do that now? Where have people's hearts gone?
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Comment #6 posted by whig on November 17, 2006 at 10:22:39 PT

Shocking
Painful. Torture is contagious. People of a certain mindset start fantasizing about it, they see others are getting away with it, and next thing you know.
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Comment #5 posted by Max Flowers on November 17, 2006 at 10:20:40 PT

Tazed and confused
I watched that video yesterday. I was struck by the fact that all the onlookers were so slow to do anything, they were all really timid, and that was frustrating to watch. Finally, at the end, some of the guys standing around starting yelling at these a-hole campus cops and they (cops) started getting scared and radioing for backup.Another thing that struck me was that they kept yelling at the guy to stand up *after* they had tazed him a couple of times. Anyone who has seen a demonstration of tazer weapons knows that you don't exactly have full muscle control after getting floored by those volts.Finally, the bottom line was that there was not anything in that situation that warranted tazing the guy at all. All he did was drop to the ground and yell when they tried to haul him out of the building for not having ID. That's a protester move. All they had to do was call for two more cops and they could have carried him out of there. Instead they tortured him a bit with electricity. I hope they lose their jobs and the university is sued for huge dollars.What I wasn't was shocked, because my shock was all depleted a few years ago when I saw that tape of cops applying pepper spray WITH SWABS directly into the eyelids of environmentalist protesters who were sitting in a chain to block the cutting of some trees. That one filled me with a seething hate for cops and state authority to be quite honest, and I knew without doubt at that point that we were living in a totally different country, one that was being transformed into a cruel, torturing state where police are free to do just about any evil thing under color of authority. 
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Comment #4 posted by FoM on November 17, 2006 at 09:59:00 PT

Toker00
I watched the video. When Vietnam was in it's most difficult times they started going after college students. Then we all know too well what happened at Kent State. We have no rights to say no to anything anymore. That's how it was and now that's how it is once again. It's Deja Vu all over again.
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Comment #3 posted by Toker00 on November 17, 2006 at 09:39:47 PT

Sorry OT. But Important.
Americans To Be Tortured For Refusing To Show ID?
Student shocked, tortured for defending constitutional rightswatch the video:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2006/ 161106torturedid.htmThis is a big issue at our Community College right now. The Senate are voting to implement a new ID program that will take three to five years to fully implement. ??? Most of the Employees are up in arms about the dictatorial and Fascist nature of the punishment for being caught without this ID on your person. The punishment goes too far, as it includes TERMINATION of employment! This sh*t is OUT OF CONTROL! We have to act on this immediately.Toke.
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Comment #2 posted by dongenero on November 17, 2006 at 09:11:55 PT

S.D. Board of Supervisors
Comment by Chairman Horn......“A lot of the money we receive, over $4.3 billion, most of that money comes from the federal government,” Horn said. “And if we violate any of those statutes, we're in jeopardy of losing those dollars.”Bought and sold it sounds like to me. He should be working for the will of the voters but he's working for the federal payoff instead. I assume he's using the voter's tax dollars to fight the will of those same voters.Certainly there must be some check and balance against such egregious actions. Impeachment, censure, disbarment....I'm no expert at the legal remedies for this but, it seems to me the board needs a little smack down....or needs to be dismantled.
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Comment #1 posted by goneposthole on November 17, 2006 at 08:39:23 PT

The unsavory tactics of the legalizers
Using people in wheelchairs and on crutches as props to promote medical cannabis as some sort of cure-all.The unholy shame of it. Also, using a judge to make the US gov. and drug warriors look foolish.This is atrocious. Prohibition is an institution. It cannot be assailed. It is beyond reproach. We must have a drug free Murka.These legalizers disguised as medical cannabis activists have hit a new low.When will it end?Keep on rooting those clones, don't forget to use the rootone. Keep them growing.I see that Hanoi George is having a heckuva time in Vietnam.The no-good traitor. He makes Jane Fonda look like a real American.Republicans (hack, hack, cough, cough) have been coddling the Chinese Communists for over thirty years now, now they're moving into Vietnam. Why do they hate America so much?Republicans commit treason everyday. They should be ashamed of themselves for being such idiots. They just don't know any better.Keep smoking your cannabis. Keep growing more of it.
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