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VH1 Chronicles America's Drug Culture
Posted by CN Staff on June 11, 2006 at 21:25:57 PT
By Ray Richmond
Source: Reuters
Los Angeles -- Recent American pop cultural history continues to be Job 1 at VH1, which has somehow managed to transform nostalgia and the camp framing of its ideals and icons into a growth industry and a hook on which to hang the fortunes of a TV network's entire focus.The network has found great success with such shows as "I Love the '70s" and "I Love the '80s," which were not only labors of love but also authentic historic narratives.
But it is safe to say that "The Drug Years" -- a four-hour documentary airing in hourlong nuggets Monday through Thursday nights at 9 -- exists at a whole other level.The first two hours supplied for review are something like classic television, packed as they are with magnificent archival footage and consistently profound insights about the role that illicit drug use and abuse has had in shaping our nation and its social fabric since the 1950s.Produced by filmmakers Dana Heinz Perry (who directed) and Hart Perry -- the team responsible for numerous projects for VH1 including the acclaimed 2004 documentary "And You Don't Stop: 30 Years of Hip Hop" -- the show has a definitive feel to it.It takes no sides other than to detail the true impact of weed, LSD, uppers, downers, speed, coke and the rest on impressionable youth, on a disapproving and uncomprehending older generation and on how it influenced everything from art to politics to interpersonal relations. It's alternately funny and sad, surreal and enlightening, strange and sobering -- not unlike the drug culture itself."The Drug Years" kicks off in Hour 1, "Break on Through" (1950s-67), with a detailed and expertly woven look at how it all began for a country whose narcotics use was essentially nonexistent before the 1960s -- aside from a few beatniks and poets.That would all change, of course, with the '60s and the explosion of the marijuana culture and ultimately psychedelics like LSD via Timothy Leary and Ken Kesey.The clips are superb, framing the way drugs played into a youth rebellion and a counterculture revolution that manifested itself in music, sexual freedom and the ideals of a generation that wanted to be anything but like their parents.The Perrys make effective use of now laughable old educational films about the horrors of grass and LSD and vintage interviews with Paul McCartney, Pete Townshend and many others.The second installment, "Feed Your Head" (1967-71), details the acid craze and rise of San Francisco as America's hippie capital as well as the reverberations on the antiwar movement, drugs and idealism.The other two hours deal with the way drugs played out through much of the '70s and the coke and crack infiltration of the '80s onward.Based on the book "Can't Find My Way Home: America in the Great Stoned Age" by Martin Torgoff (who is a guiding presence in on-camera interviews as well as writer and consulting producer of the documentary), "The Drug Years" serves up a sublime potpourri of impressions and contextual anecdotes.It's a kick to see film of people stoned and tripping out of their minds swaying in Human Be-ins, of Kesey's magic bus immortalized in Tom Wolfe's classic "The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test," and of Jimi Hendrix wigged out on acid while performing at the famed Monterey Pop Festival in '67.Lending their recollections are such eyewitnesses as Ray Manzarek of the Doors, Peter Coyote, Jackson Browne and Tommy Chong.I never knew that it was Bob Dylan who first turned the Beatles on to pot in 1964 and that it was over a lyrical misunderstanding: He thought the line in "I Want to Hold Your Hand" was "It's such a feeling that my love . . . I get high" instead of what it really was, ". . . I can't hide."From such errors are cultural rebellions born. "The Drug Years," produced as a joint venture between VH1 and the Sundance Channel (where it repeats beginning Friday), documents an earth-shifting movement and its ongoing aftershocks with perceptiveness and candor.Executive producers: Brad Abramson, Shelly Tatro, Michael Hirschorn, Laura Michalchyshyn, Lynne Kirby; Producers: Dana Heinz Perry, Hart Perry; Supervising producers: Ann Rose, Audrey Costadina, Stephen Mintz; Associate producer: Salimah El-Amin Director: Dana Heinz Perry; Teleplay/consulting producer: Martin Torgoff; Director of photography: Hart Perry; Art director: Guy Walker; Editor: Richard Lowe; Story editor: Pam Widener;Original music: Matt Hauser.Produced by Perry Films Inc., VH1 and the Sundance ChannelReuters/Hollywood ReporterURL: http://www.vh1.com/shows/dyn/the_drug_years/series.jhtml Source: Reuters (Wire)Author: Ray RichmondPublished: June 11, 2006Copyright: 2006 Reuters CannabisNews Justice Archiveshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/list/justice.shtml
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Comment #170 posted by global_warming on June 17, 2006 at 12:22:59 PT
The lawyers have been busy in Ireland
Blackmore's Night
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Comment #169 posted by global_warming on June 17, 2006 at 11:44:32 PT
Sure wish
This world would grow up, when will people start to realize that all this war and war ultimately has no winners, just a bunch of people sadly beat up.Here in America, the Land of the Free and the Brave, largely populated by people who have no religion or science. It is a cash and carry land.The drug war may have started with ignorant people like Ansinger and his Dupont whores, but here we are today, living the legacy of Nixon, a man who reached great power and was removed in disgrace.How can this war on people continue?In good faith, how can people still believe that this fat prison system can continue along this way?In the meantime, the Supreme Court of these United States can only see the law, some faded page of some record, that cannot see the life that is rotting in the hell that is the law.I wish that mankind would take that first step, into a new world, one that can have the blessings of the Stars and this whole universe along with all of those creations, a world where anger and fear can find Eternal Solutions.Man is the greatest hunter, fighter and man is the greatest leader, who has learned to tame the wilderness, to produce food and energy, for every living flesh on the planet.If man could rise above the profit mindset, then it would no longer be said, what is in it for me, for is it not in your best interest to stay alive, is it not in your best interest to not shit in the place where you do business?In the meantime, some of us, can drink all the booze, smoke all the herb, and shoot up anything, that can quiet the pain and misery, from having to look at this world.
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Comment #168 posted by Dan B on June 17, 2006 at 04:29:21 PT
TokerOO Re: Comment 165
Excellent! Every use of bare/bear is correct in that sentence.Thanks for taking my comment/recommendation in good humor.Sincerely,Dan B
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Comment #167 posted by afterburner on June 16, 2006 at 22:56:12 PT
Speaking of Seed Bearing Herbs and Prohibitionists
RE #166 "David G. Evans, Esq., Executive Director of the Drug-Free Schools Coalition" http://tinyurl.com/mhhlk
"Mr. David G. Evans is the Executive Director and founder of The Drug Free Schools Coalition. Evans has a law practice in Pittstown, New Jersey concentrating on drug-free workplace, drug testing, and substance abuse issues." Can you say vested interest?Is this him? Spouting his defense of the shameless FDA?Apologies to the other David G. Evans, Bishop David G. Evans. As a man of the bible he may already know about and support the Seed Bearing Herbs (Genesis 1:29). http://abundantharvest.com/bishopevans/Genesis 1:29.
Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food."
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Comment #166 posted by global_warming on June 16, 2006 at 15:06:19 PT
is this for real?
PUBLIC SUPPORT FOR “MEDICAL” MARIJUANA FALLING IN NEW JERSEYJune 7, 2006In a recent Rutgers University poll commissioned by the National Council on Alcoholism and Drug Dependence of New Jersey (NCADD-NJ), the public was asked if they support permitting doctors to prescribe marijuana for patients with serious illnesses. The 2005 poll found that support for medical marijuana has dropped 10% from 2002.*The recent polling found public support significantly drops to 51% if the Food and Drug Administration does not determine that medical use of marijuana is safe and effective. This is a 38% drop in support from the 2002 polling results. The opposition to “medical” marijuana is strongest among residents of color (51% oppose to 42% support). Older residents (age 65 and over) of New Jersey oppose this measure without FDA clearance by a margin of 48% to 43%.A year after this poll was taken the federal Food and Drug Administration (FDA) declared that marijuana has a high potential for abuse, has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States, and has a lack of accepted safety for use under medical supervision. Furthermore, the FDA stated that there is sound evidence that smoked marijuana is harmful and there are no sound scientific studies supporting the safety or efficacy of marijuana for medical use (see attached). “As people become more educated about “medical” marijuana the support for it drops,” stated David G. Evans, Esq., Executive Director of the Drug-Free Schools Coalition.“Many people support ‘medical’ marijuana out of compassion for sick people but support goes away when they realize it is dangerous to allow people to use home-grown marijuana without proper medical studies showing that it is safe and effective,” stated Evans.“It is not compassionate to tell people to use marijuana when it may stop them from using safe and effective medicines. The FDA states that smoked marijuana is harmful and there are no sound scientific studies supporting the safety or efficacy of smoked marijuana for medical use,” said Evans. *The recent Rutgers University poll found that 72% of the public supported medical marijuana, down from 82% in 2002. New Jerseyans’ Opinions on Substance Issues, Bloustein Center for Survey Research, Rutgers University, conducted for the National Council on Alcoholism and Drug Dependence - New Jersey-end- http://tinyurl.com/pxn5c.."there are no sound scientific studies supporting the safety or efficacy of smoked marijuana.."If this statement does not make you wonder, who is pushing to keep this incredible plant from the hands of the people, can you spell pharmaceutical? Can you spell Vodka?
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Comment #165 posted by Toker00 on June 16, 2006 at 14:01:53 PT
Thanks, Dan!
Spell check only tells you if you misspell a word, not if you use the wrong damn word! lol. I always had trouble with that word. How would you correctly spell the word bear/bare in this sentence: "Since bears wear no underwear, we have to bear with bare bears."? Toke.
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Comment #164 posted by Dan B on June 16, 2006 at 13:33:06 PT
Toker00
Of course, if you plan to make a big 4'X8' sign of it, you might consider writing "Seed Bearing Herbs" instead of "Seed Baring Herbs." I don't mean to cause offense. I just want your message to be taken seriously. Misspellings really turn some people off.Dan B
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Comment #163 posted by Toker00 on June 16, 2006 at 08:18:59 PT
Whig
I like the T-shirt. I went back and looked at the back. Great. So are you actually set up to sell this at your site? I guess so. I will get one+ payday. And I really, really meant to say Seed Baring Herbs, not Herb Baring Seeds, but I guess it could work either way. What bore first, the herb or the seed? I would guess that God created the herb first, and caused it to bare seeds. (This applies to the chicken and the egg, too!)Toke.
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Comment #162 posted by whig on June 16, 2006 at 06:37:19 PT
Toke
If you look at the T-shirt I did, I put on one side:Pro-War Christians: Behold, I will make them of the church of Satan, which say they are Christians, and are not.On the reverse:God is Love.
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Comment #161 posted by Toker00 on June 16, 2006 at 03:33:09 PT
Whig
I'm going to put that verse on one side of a 4' x 8' a-frame rally sign. Now what can I put on the other side? How about the verse about how God has given us all these herb baring seeds for meat? Yeah. That will work.Toke.
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Comment #160 posted by whig on June 16, 2006 at 00:14:24 PT
T-Shirt
I hope this is okay FoM as I'm not really trying to advertise something to make money it's just that I thought this would make a good T-shirt.http://www.zazzle.com/product/235011043729561576
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Comment #159 posted by FoM on June 15, 2006 at 21:31:30 PT
afterburner
This is very fascinating to me.
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Comment #158 posted by afterburner on June 15, 2006 at 21:26:34 PT
FoM
"One generations shuns the next generation's choices and then it's time to turn it around once again. It never stops it just turns, turns, turns."It is said that children get along better with their grandparents than with their parents. Shared ideas and outlooks on life are one way that bond happens.Dr. Leary called it:Life - Structure - Death -- Life - Structure - Death
Turn on - Tune in - Drop out (the cellular message, the music of the nervous system). [That's not port-phones. That's the building blocks of intellegent and compassionate life. That's not society and work. That's socially-conditioned games. There are better games to play. There is more important serious work to be done, lives to be saved.]"To everything - Turn turn turn - There is a season
and a time for every purpose under Heaven"
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Comment #157 posted by whig on June 15, 2006 at 21:24:16 PT
Christians
"You are Christ, the Son of the living God. Blessed are you, Simon: the Father has revealed it to you" (Antiphon 1).You are Christ, CNews.
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Comment #156 posted by whig on June 15, 2006 at 21:16:36 PT
Context
When the original words were written nearly 20 centuries ago, it was not addressed to one who was living in a country of self-described Christians, but one of self-described Jews. A place where the new religion of the Christians was the minority and oppressed for its use of cannabis.All of this has happened before.
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Comment #155 posted by whig on June 15, 2006 at 21:13:38 PT
Revelation 3:9
Pro-War Christians: Behold, I will make them of the church of Satan, which say they are Christians, and are not, but do lie.
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Comment #154 posted by FoM on June 15, 2006 at 19:44:01 PT
whig
I recommend that you see it if you can. It repeats at 1 AM.The last episode talks about the around and around of drug use over the years. One generations shuns the next generation's choices and then it's time to turn it around once again. It never stops it just turns, turns, turns. Maybe that is one of the ways people balance society. I'm not sure but a thought.
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Comment #153 posted by whig on June 15, 2006 at 19:37:17 PT
FoM
I missed the last episode tonight. Sorry I did because I was involved in the rave scene for awhile and would have liked to see how they covered it.The nice thing about the true rave scene was the ideals: Peace, Love, Unity and Respect, also known as PLUR.But a lot of drugs (other than MDMA) came into the rave environment, everything from Special K (ketamine) to Meth and Heroin. And that broke it.I certainly didn't know enough at the time about how those would affect the scene, and there isn't much that could have been done about it. When events were aboveground at legal venues you made an effort to keep all drugs out in theory, knowing some would leak in, but in that environment how do you control against particular drugs. And at underground events there were no controls at all.I think the music was key to keeping the vibe correct, and certainly I failed to understand this well enough. But the downside of it is that the "happier" music also tended to draw the much younger people and that creates a much bigger dilemma when drug use is going on, especially when some of them are certainly minors. But requiring an ID card and 18+ would pose other problems. There's no really good solution.Harm reduction was always important to me. I was part of DanceSafe for a long time and ran the Pittsburgh chapter for awhile. Unfortunately I don't actually know the people who are involved there now as my contact with the national office was with Emanuel and he's apparently moved on some time ago.
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Comment #152 posted by FoM on June 15, 2006 at 19:21:26 PT
Comment on The Last of The Series
I see how the cocaine generation was about the individual and the Rave scene was more about connecting with others. The Ecstasy era seems more like the LSD era of the 60s. The Coke generation was the selfish one and younger people wanted to connect with others again like before so Ecstasy was one of the tools used by people to make it happen.
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Comment #151 posted by FoM on June 15, 2006 at 17:57:27 PT
Friendly Reminder: The Last Night of Drug Years
I sure hope everyone is watching this series. It is accurate and very good.
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Comment #150 posted by FoM on June 15, 2006 at 11:11:56 PT
Dan B
I believe the drug war is a control mechanism. That's why I feel people shouldn't become dependent on drugs. Having a monkey on your back can mean more then being strung out on a drug.
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Comment #149 posted by Dan B on June 15, 2006 at 11:10:12 PT
Oops! Richard Lawrence Miller
Sorry. I skipped the last name of the author of Drug Warriors and their Prey. His full name is Richard Lawrence Miller.I'll try to be more accurate in the future. Dan B
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Comment #148 posted by Dan B on June 15, 2006 at 11:07:49 PT
Whig (and everyone else)
It is well documented that the United States military, specifically the Air Force, is giving troops (specifically pilots) amphetamines so that they can go without sleep and be more alert to fly more missions and bomb more people. It also has been speculated that the Marine soldiers who were involved in the massacre at Haditha were also likely on speed. So, in answer to your question: our soldiers are taking speed (amphetamines), and they're getting it from military doctors. See this link: http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0809/p01s04-usmi.html and this one http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_8790.shtml for more information on our soldiers' drug use.The question, then, is what will these speed freak soldiers turn to when they get back home? My best guess: meth. That's the closest equivalent that they can get at home relatively easily these days.One of the travesties of the current war in Iraq (there are many, and this is one of them) is that the military is turning our soldiers into amphetamine addicts--and amphetamine is the only drug that has a DSM-IV psychosis named after it: 292.11 Amphetamine-Induced Psychotic Disorder. In other words, it is more dangerous than heroin.Any surprise that meth use has skyrocketed over the past three years? When I examine the evidence that shows our military is creating a generation of amphetamine addicts, the only conclusion I can arrive at is that the government wants more drug addicts--in fact needs them. More drug addicts mean a reason to promote another "crack down" on drugs, which means the destruction of more of our freedoms, which means more power to the government. The fact that they are also making money off illegal drugs is a fringe benefit. The war on some drugs is ultimately not about money. It's about power. Money is one means to power, but it is not the end itself. Power means control, and control of the actions of others is, apparently, the ultimate high for the psychopaths that are curently running our country. The show that this article addresses, The Drug Years, shows very clearly and profoundly that power (control) is their ultimate end. This isn't a turf war. The government already owns all the turf (if you don't believe that, try not paying your property taxes for a year). And it isn't a financial war. If the government cared about money, we wouldn't have a $9 trillion national debt. It is a culture war, and the big prize is the ability to dictate that their culture is the only acceptable one, and all others, including ours, must be eradicated.I recommend Richard Lawrence's book Drug Warriors and Their Prey (1996--a little dated, but just as relevant today as it was in 1996). And, keep watching the VH1 series (or see it on Sundance when it comes on there). These two works, for me, elucidate better than most alternatives the real nature of and purpose behind the war on some drugs.Dan B
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Comment #147 posted by global_warming on June 15, 2006 at 02:57:01 PT
Down Mexico Way
http://tinyurl.com/pq743MEXICO CITY (AP) - Mexican lawmakers are working to revive their bill decriminalizing the possession of small amounts of marijuana, cocaine and heroin, and hope to override a veto if necessary, saying the reform will help curb drug-related violence that has killed more than 600 people this year.
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Comment #146 posted by whig on June 15, 2006 at 00:34:45 PT
Some background
http://www.brendastardom.com/arch.asp?ArchID=183
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Comment #145 posted by afterburner on June 14, 2006 at 23:51:03 PT
Agreed, whig
But it may be an option for some with family or friends with financial resources. Otherwise, with only 11 states with medical cannabis laws, many will have to rely on the black market anyway. If it's flooded with heroin, the odds of success are reduced greatly and we may have a replay of returning soldiers cast aside and suffering, like the Vietnam veterans. It's not going to be easy given the mindset of the US government.
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Comment #144 posted by whig on June 14, 2006 at 23:14:33 PT
afterburner
I'm not disagreeing with you but traveling to a foreign country for treatment isn't an option for most people.
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Comment #143 posted by afterburner on June 14, 2006 at 23:00:43 PT
True, whig, in the USA
However, alternatives exist in other countries, nearby and far away:Ibogaine Supply and Treatment Options
(This page last updated May 2006)
"Information on this page is supplied for interest only. Many of the facilities and suppliers are not government licensed. Persons offering treatment may have no medical qualifications. Costs given are approximate."
http://www.ibogaine.co.uk/options.htm
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Comment #142 posted by whig on June 14, 2006 at 22:37:38 PT
afterburner
Unfortunately Ibogaine is also Schedule I. So even if we think it helps there isn't much of a chance of helping people with this aboveboard. But if cannabis helps then in states where medical marijuana exists it can be recommended by physicians for people that come back with heroin addictions.
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Comment #141 posted by afterburner on June 14, 2006 at 22:21:22 PT
RE #131-139 Heroin
Cannabis *is* helpful to those in the grip of alcohol addiction. Peyote is used by the Native American Church to help heal alcohol addiction. Psilocybe mushrooms helped one alcohol addict, Timothy Leary, to develop a more positive outlook on life. Cannabis *may* be a way to help break heroin addiction. However, heroin addicts are suffering intense trauma and pain and are often zoned-out and difficult to reach.Iboga (ibogaine) therapy may be more effective. Listening to them and talking them through is essential for any healing of addiction.The prohibitionists are stunting humanity's spiritual development and causing many people to subsist at the lowest level of consciousness, death cults!Healers, get ready to help the returning soldiers {to deal with their trauma and pain, to overcome their addictions, to re-enter society as useful civilians), and to help counter the poisoning of the social fabric among their friends and families.
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Comment #140 posted by FoM on June 14, 2006 at 21:58:22 PT
Whig
Narcotic withdrawal is really bad. When I went into de-tox for prescription narcotic withdrawal I never was tempted to go back to drugs or alcohol. I only wanted the nightmares to stop and to feel normal. It takes a long time for total emotional recovery from narcotic addiction. After the withdrawal pain is over cannabis could really help a person get on with life I think.
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Comment #139 posted by whig on June 14, 2006 at 21:52:39 PT
FoM
I think what you said is true if someone had made the decision to quit Heroin they could substitute Cannabis and it would always make it easier and at the end of that process we know that cannabis is not physically addictive. I'm not saying they won't need other help or that they won't have withdrawal symptoms but it will make it a lot easier. It is common to prescribe things like Neurontin to people who are withdrawing heroin because cold turkey is so awful that most people who try to quit that way don't manage to get clean.I would bet a dozen bacon cheeseburger donuts that cannabis works better than Neurontin for this purpose.http://www.gatewaygrizzlies.com/news/?id=2723
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Comment #138 posted by whig on June 14, 2006 at 21:36:08 PT
Cannabis and Addiction
This is interesting:http://www.io.com/~patrik/sri_lies.htm To dismantle the natural anti-addiction mechanism of a
chemical like THC and to then propose that THC is more addictive than we thought is exactly like testing the safety of
Ford cars by testing a group of Hondas, which are like Fords,
that have had their brakes dismantled, and then after the
predictable results declaring: "Fords are more dangerous
than we thought." It's simply outrageous.
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Comment #137 posted by FoM on June 14, 2006 at 21:34:30 PT
Addiction
This is a simple point and probably not true in every case but if a person who wanted to quit say Heroin could smoke cannabis in the morning, at noon, and night for a few weeks it would help them give up Heroin. It could be a Gateway to a new life for a serious addict. This is just my opinion.
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Comment #136 posted by whig on June 14, 2006 at 21:27:15 PT
Drug reform
Heroin is the one drug that more than any other gives people a very difficult to justify legalizing. It is the perfectly divisive substance because street heroin does kill and it addicts like nothing else. I've experienced it once myself. It was beautiful in a completely fake way, but I know the hook is there and this aspect can only be worse with higher purities.On the other hand laws against heroin do not make it go away. They make large profits for the distributors, and finance a huge portion of the black budgets of the intelligence services that are importing it to our country. It's certainly possible for people to be given maintenance doses under medical supervision for a prolonged time without it being particularly harmful, apart from the addiction itself.I think what we should emphasize is the addiction-breaking capacity of cannabis. That people who are using Heroin and are trying to stop can get a lot of help in doing so with medical marijuana.I know that this is true, but we need to prove it with studies and those studies are not able to be performed while cannabis remains illegal. Even so we can testify to our own knowledge and experience and we can start making the point that CANNABIS is the GATEWAY BACK. Out of addiction.
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Comment #135 posted by FoM on June 14, 2006 at 21:26:51 PT
Whig
I wondered why it was so easy for Vietnam Veterans to get Heroin back then. It really is a problem because heavy hard drug use causes the drug war to gain strength. Now a days people have plenty of drugs to get strung out on and legally too if gotten from a Doctor. I wish people understood that if a person is dependent on an addicting drug they sometimes can easily be manipulated by the system. Cannabis doesn't control a person like hard drugs can.
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Comment #134 posted by whig on June 14, 2006 at 21:15:57 PT
FoM
Just so I'm pretty clear on this, because I think this is absolutely true and something we ought to be prepared for.A major (if not the major) reason for the invasion of Afghanistan was Heroin.If you believe that 9/11 was an inside job, then pinning it on Afghanistan was precisely the point of the exercise. Even if you don't believe it was planned ahead of time, the intelligence services have long experience in the drug trade and particularly Heroin. A situation that could only be taken advantage of if it weren't so blindingly obvious that these guys are also experts in destabilizing governments.Heroin is coming in, and it's going to come in hard and it's going to flood the streets. It is coming.That's going to be used to justify extending the "War on Terror" to the city streets of America.Can we stop this or do anything to prepare?
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Comment #133 posted by whig on June 14, 2006 at 21:09:41 PT
FoM
In answer to the question:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4541387.stmHeroin. Pure Afghanistan Heroin.What the F***? Afghanistan had no opium production until the US toppled the old regime and installed their warlords.Heroin.
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Comment #132 posted by FoM on June 14, 2006 at 19:46:57 PT
Whig
Many Vietnam Veterans came home strung out on very pure Heroin. Some soldiers didn't think they would have a hard time and kept using right up to when it was time to come home. They had a bad trip home. Heroin wasn't very strong in the states and that lead to more Vietnam Vets shooting heroin. It probably will be similar with our soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan too I think.I really turned off to a lot of the way it was going when I first became aware of this new drug on the scene called cocaine. I didn't see the benefits to a drug that makes a person energetic instead of thoughtful and reflective.
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Comment #131 posted by whig on June 14, 2006 at 19:22:35 PT
Third episode
This was a lot darker but it was closer to my own world when they got to the Reagan era. I grew up in that eighties environment, the hippies and even disco were long gone from visibility. It was very straight-laced and proper, I think it might have been similar to how the fifties had been.I had another question, from watching tonight. There was a lot made of the heroin coming in from Vietnam and with the returning soldiers. What are they taking in Iraq now because we're going to be seeing it coming home soon.
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Comment #130 posted by Toker00 on June 14, 2006 at 18:50:00 PT
Whig
I think alcohol has that tendency.Not everyone is mean when drunk, for sure. And not everyone is nice when stoned.What alcohol does, however, is make it easier not to care.Cannabis makes it harder not to care.Being a recovering alcoholic (Yes, we really do exist, some of us ONLY because of cannabis.), what you said is exactly right. I've known a lot of alcoholics who were potentially and literally violent. But, honestly, I've know very, very few cannabisics (That is what I would name cannabis abusers, if they actually exist.) who were. Now, I'm talking about only when both are intoxicated. Many alcoholics were a lot different drunk than sober, but few cannabisics were different, except for being a little more mellow stoned than sober. I was from a family of alcoholics (not to be confused with alcoholists), too, Hope. Not abusive physically, but through the let down feeling of the mental illness and poverty some of them caused their families to suffer. Never mind some dieing a young death due to alcohol and/or tobacco illnesses. It can be a sad past, if you dwell on it. I remember their recovering times. They were good people. Could have all been spared illness and early death if they had had a SAFER! Yes, I mean Safer Alternative For Enjoyable Recreation! CANNABIS! Damn you Prohibs!Let me clarify. Alcoholic - Alcohol abuser. Cannabisic - cannabis abuser. Alcoholist - Alcohol user. Cannabist - cannabis user. Thank you.Wage peace on war. END CANNABIS PROHIBITION NOW!
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Comment #129 posted by Hope on June 14, 2006 at 18:26:26 PT
I'm thankful that my Dad lived to say
he was sorry.
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Comment #128 posted by Hope on June 14, 2006 at 18:25:30 PT
Comment 90
My hubby thinks she's gorgeous.Oh well.He also likes Anna Nicole fat better than thin...and he likes her.
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Comment #127 posted by Hope on June 14, 2006 at 18:23:19 PT
Comment 122 gw
What way? Like Daddy? No. I thought I made that clear. Some people should avoid alcohol. I don't think everyone should have to not drink because of those who can't handle it or shouldn't risk it. I think that's true of just about anything.Apparently I'm somewhat attracted to some people, who among other things, happen to be harboring a rather heavy drinking schedule. Over the years some of my favorite people have had bouts of struggling with their drinking habits.
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Comment #126 posted by whig on June 14, 2006 at 17:29:19 PT
gw
If mean people drink, they get meaner. I don't think cannabis ever makes people meaner, or at least it's never been my experience.
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Comment #125 posted by global_warming on June 14, 2006 at 15:23:10 PT
you may be correct
yet that statement, sober as a judge may be misleading,the social problems may get magnified by some people,yet, do you truly believe that alcohol or any substance is the cause of peoples meanness?Might it be that mean people should not drink or smoke?
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Comment #124 posted by FoM on June 14, 2006 at 15:22:21 PT
Canadian News Article from The CBC
Medical Marijuana Still Not Widely Available: Report: http://www.cbc.ca/bc/story/bc_marijuana20060614.html
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Comment #123 posted by whig on June 14, 2006 at 14:57:06 PT
gw
I think alcohol has that tendency.Not everyone is mean when drunk, for sure. And not everyone is nice when stoned.What alcohol does, however, is make it easier not to care.Cannabis makes it harder not to care.
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Comment #122 posted by global_warming on June 14, 2006 at 14:38:22 PT
re: comment 111
Do you think that all drunks are that way?
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Comment #121 posted by FoM on June 14, 2006 at 14:19:45 PT
Something Nice
It's a beautiful day here today. It's warm and cool and breezy. Our new room is all drywalled and mostly spackled. I received my music today from Amazon. I got the Band's Greatest Hits and Heart of Gold The Movie. I am listening to the Band and turned the speakers into the big empty room and the acoustics are wonderful. I'm sure this can be heard far away as loud as I am playing it. That's all for now. Sometimes things are just good.
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Comment #120 posted by FoM on June 14, 2006 at 13:56:25 PT
Just a Comment
I hope others are watching this series. It really has great talking points. It helps show how we got here from there. It lets you know the type of people who wanted liberty and the type of people who only wanted conformity.
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Comment #119 posted by FoM on June 14, 2006 at 13:53:35 PT
ekim
It doesn't surprise me at all. Spin, spin, spin.
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Comment #118 posted by ekim on June 14, 2006 at 11:57:36 PT
NPR Talk of the Nation
mark souder was just on saying that the meth freight train is comming
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Comment #117 posted by whig on June 14, 2006 at 11:14:29 PT
Hope
I'm so sorry. That must have been terrible.How many alcoholic families are there?Do you think it's an accident the President is a drunk?
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Comment #116 posted by FoM on June 14, 2006 at 11:13:04 PT
Whig
Alcoholism runs in my family so I avoid it. I do believe certain people should be wary of drinking if their parents, brothers or sisters seem to have problems with it. I know some people can drink casually but not in my family.
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Comment #115 posted by whig on June 14, 2006 at 11:08:11 PT
Quitting tobacco wasn't hard....
I never smoked very much tobacco. As much as a half-pack a day, really. Not to excess and not for very long.So it wasn't too hard to quit. It was just a decision.I've been a casual drinker too. My family is a casual drinking family. I might have had one drink every couple weeks. Not something I do regularly.I may have just quit alcohol anyhow.
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Comment #114 posted by FoM on June 14, 2006 at 11:03:02 PT
Alcohol versus Cannabis
There is really no comparison to me. People who drink a lot can forget how obnoxious they might have been. If a person smokes too much Cannabis they usually just do a lot of grinning but will remember most of it the next day.Whig, I agree.
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Comment #113 posted by whig on June 14, 2006 at 11:02:45 PT
FoM
Wouldn't it be interesting...If the battle of Good vs. Evil throughout human history...Has been the battle of Pot vs. Alcohol.Think what each of these do to the psyche. Both have been around since the dawn of civilization.Pot vs. AlcoholAnd we are saying, we don't want this war. Let both be legal.
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Comment #112 posted by Hope on June 14, 2006 at 10:59:39 PT
Drinking in D.C.
Ain't that the truth?
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Comment #111 posted by Hope on June 14, 2006 at 10:55:59 PT
Children of Alcoholics
My dad was a raging, mean, crazy, fighting alcoholic. He bled Smirnoff vodka when he was cut. I loved him for his goodness that he had when he wasn't drunk which was hardly ever. He was in pain a lot from physical injuries. He doctored himself with alcohol. I forgive him. I know many nice people who have let alcohol get a little too much power in their lives, in my opinion...but I'm sure they think the same of my past use of the hideous weed.My dad was not a nice drunk. It didn't make him charming or interesting. He would have been a beating drunk if it weren't for the fact that one very important thing my mother taught us was to stay out of his reach and know where the exits are and that they are clear and that you can reach them before he can reach you. He kept his drinking scenes indoors most of the time. If you could get out the door you were ok until he finally went to sleep.I spent many, many, many evenings with my mother and brothers and sister and the pets, sitting outside in the dark waiting for him to go to sleep.Also we all had our "jobs". I always hid the knives and the knife rack in the clean laundry baskets. He finally got so bad that I had to start hiding forks, too.
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Comment #110 posted by whig on June 14, 2006 at 10:49:00 PT
FoM
I'm having a really nice insight this afternoon, about how the whole communications system is getting better all the time for us and we are becoming more of the mainstream.Conversations. Like this one. This is the best way for people to communicate. Just talking to one another but in a public way and having lots of people that agree with the basic idea all talking to each other. The only policing we need is to exclude those who disrupt us, to take care that the topic be held to at least as far as you want it to, and to be aware that we are in public view here.I have looked throughout the blogosphere and have not found a community like this one which has so much care and concern for one another and is dedicated to our issue.We are that important here, because we are the main conversation about cannabis as far as I can tell. We are not invisible, we are quite noticed and that is both good and cautionary.What we write is for two audiences. Our friends and those who do not consider us to be friends. I try to make it clear all the time that I discuss the more revolutionary aspects of the cannabis issue, that we are peaceful people and we are not going to harm anyone.There is also among even our friends a great many who are confused why we talk as we do about the political system and the warfare that it is perpetrating around the world and here at home. Why can we not be simply issue-centric and defend the right of sick people to have cannabis and stop there?Because that's not our only goal. There are others for whom it is their only goal. There are people who are simply caregivers and they do not want to do more than that. There is nothing wrong with that perspective.Cannabis should be legal everywhere and for everyone, because it is a choice and it is a better choice than others like alcohol. There is no reason the alcoholics have to hate the potheads. There is no reason we should ban either one. It is a personal choice.
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Comment #109 posted by FoM on June 14, 2006 at 10:46:26 PT
Hope
I know Buckley doesn't vote on Bills but they do a lot of drinking in DC.
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Comment #108 posted by FoM on June 14, 2006 at 10:45:16 PT
Hope
I have never met a nice alcoholic. My mother was one. She was kind when she was sober but oh my how she changed when she drank. It was really hard growing up in a house with alcohol.
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Comment #107 posted by Hope on June 14, 2006 at 10:43:32 PT
Unless....
I still haven't ingested enough caffiene to kick start my brain today.
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Comment #106 posted by Hope on June 14, 2006 at 10:42:40 PT
Buckley
He's not a politician. His voting on bills aren't any more serious than our voting on bills. He's a "Talking Head". A pundit...a journalist.
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Comment #105 posted by afterburner on June 14, 2006 at 10:41:51 PT
Canada: Tories Could Bring in Roadside Test ...
Canada: Tories Could Bring in Roadside Test for Drug Impairment
by CanWest News Service, (13 Jun 2006) Province Canada
http://www.mapinc.org/ccnews/v06/n763/a02.html
OTTAWA -- "The Conservative government is considering reviving a failed bill from the Liberal era that would impose roadside tests to catch people driving under the influence of drugs."
more ...
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Comment #104 posted by Hope on June 14, 2006 at 10:41:13 PT
Alcohol fans...
Some of them I have found to be truly delightful people. Some of my favorite friends have had trouble with alcoholism.It can be very destructive and unhealthy for them. But oh...what personalities they are...sober or drinking.They want to laugh and tell jokes. They have wise insights. They work hard. These people's behavior, under the influence of alcohol, is completely opposite to that of "Mean drunks", "Crazy drunks", or "Crying drunks" or "Loud drunks"...or "Drunks who want to fight".They "Open up". They "Understand". They "Connect". They are "Sympathethic". They are well spoken, even if drinking and they are delightful people...drunk or sober.Winston Churchill comes to mind. Don't forget..."Good" (aaarggh) Hitler was a Tee-Totaler...although I think he may have been a speed freak...but so was Kennedy.
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Comment #103 posted by FoM on June 14, 2006 at 10:32:43 PT
whig
I think you're right about Buckley. It worries me to think people can be drunk and voting on Bills.
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Comment #102 posted by whig on June 14, 2006 at 10:29:00 PT
FoM
Re: Buckley.I'd lay dollars to donuts (bacon donuts even) he actually is drunk. All the time.There are those of us who prefer to operate at a different level of consciousness than the ordinary, all the time. Some of us use cannabis and some of us use alcohol. One of those is perfectly safe and health promoting. The other is a poison.
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Comment #101 posted by FoM on June 14, 2006 at 10:25:50 PT
Whig
I will never understand why people get so angry at people who care about other people. Hate is such a terrible thing.
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Comment #100 posted by whig on June 14, 2006 at 10:25:46 PT
Had Enough
That's a really good name for someone like Ann Coulter if you want to accuse her of that additional hypocrisy.Cottonmouth Water Moccassin.
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Comment #99 posted by whig on June 14, 2006 at 10:22:15 PT
Vicious people
People like Ann Coulter.Someone said she may smoke cannabis. And then goes out for drinks.Who does this? Drinks alcohol with pot? I wouldn't.Does it make you vicious?I don't know. I do know it's possible to be deliberately evil. I do know it's possible to be obeying God-the-Devil aspect. The one that says Obey. The one that does not say Love.Love. This is my only commandment and it is not a command that you do out of obedience, it is a command that I say you should take heed of because it is where you will find that which you want. Love and you shall have love.And do not confuse my commandment with sex. It is not the same thing, you may have sexual relationships with those you love but you do not love when you only have sex, and it is this twisted conception of love which the evil ones preach to you.Love and care and treat with respect and you will be treated in kind. That is the commandment which follows from the nature of people. You cannot get respect from fear or hatred or deception. You can get obedience but it is not respect. You will only be told you are great and you are the best by those who angle to replace you or to benefit themselves by their own deceptive natures. They despise you in their hearts even as they praise you.
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Comment #98 posted by FoM on June 14, 2006 at 10:13:56 PT
Hope
I can't watch men on tv or in a news article that are republicans. I tried to like Buckley but he seems drunk or something.
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Comment #97 posted by FoM on June 14, 2006 at 10:09:35 PT
Truth
Thank you. That was good.
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Comment #96 posted by Had Enough on June 14, 2006 at 10:08:15 PT
Cottonmouth
In this part of the land we have these water snakes called Cottonmouth Water Moccasins. They are very poisonous, and somewhat aggressive for a snake. They call them Cottonmouths because the inside of their mouths are white, they have very sharp fangs, and are not afraid to use them.
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Comment #95 posted by afterburner on June 14, 2006 at 10:05:38 PT
Image - Imagine
Legalize Regulate Educate Medicate
http://home.comcast.net/~mikeyzero/LREM_round_sticker_green2post.jpg
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Comment #94 posted by Hope on June 14, 2006 at 10:04:11 PT
Cottonmouth Coulter...
Dry...very dry humor. Wicked venomous bite. Slinky, cunning, and sinuous.Hmmm...Cottonmouth Coulter. The old "Water Moccasin Pundit".
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Comment #93 posted by Hope on June 14, 2006 at 10:00:53 PT
According to Wiki
Murrow's show that I remember was apparently...Person to Person. Anyway. It was a cool and different kind of show.I can imagine a pleasant evening spent with Cronkite and Murrow, if Murrow were alive. George Schultz or Bill Buckley might drop buy.I like the way they talk...and think.
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Comment #92 posted by Had Enough on June 14, 2006 at 10:00:46 PT
"Cottonmouth Coulter"
Couldn't resist
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Comment #91 posted by Hope on June 14, 2006 at 09:58:12 PT
Coulter
It's easy to imagine her toking.
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Comment #90 posted by Hope on June 14, 2006 at 09:57:20 PT
Coulter
Wicked stick woman!Aaargh. Give that woman something to eat!
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Comment #89 posted by Truth on June 14, 2006 at 09:50:56 PT
Ann
Ann makes a brief appearance in the following clip...http://www.filmstripinternational.com/
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Comment #88 posted by Had Enough on June 14, 2006 at 09:50:36 PT
Our Girl Ann
Saw an interview with her a while back. She was asked if she had any liberal friends. She responded, I have liberal friends, and mentioned Alan Colmes and Bill Mahar. She went on to say they have interesting conversations, and then they go out for drinks.Well now, it’s common knowledge that Bill Mahar is a stoner. So I wonder what these interesting conversations are about. I think our girl Ann here, smokes pot with Bill, but she is afraid to speak on that subject in public.They must have cotton mouth after their "conversations" and have to find something to drink afterwards.It makes me go Hhmmm.
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Comment #87 posted by Hope on June 14, 2006 at 09:48:57 PT
You Are There
may have been a Cronkite show. I need to research the history of what I remember!Oh.Stupid day for me...extra stupid day.
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Comment #86 posted by whig on June 14, 2006 at 09:36:38 PT
Hope
Your mention of the "Nanny State" is revealing and I think it's worth reminding ourselves of another reason the Republicans have a strong foothold in a lot of places (including many of our own friends and relatives) -- opposition to the Democratic Party.I'm not a Democrat or a Republican, so I have a perspective which really is non-partisan. We're often given this choice between them as if one was the Mommy Party and the other the Daddy Party. Mommy didn't give us what we wanted, so we asked Daddy. Now Daddy's a drunk and he's beating Mommy and kicking the family dog and it's not very nice, so I'm in the uncomfortable position of selectively condemning him and telling people not to defend his actions while mostly laying off criticizing Mommy. But we know she's an alcoholic too and hasn't given us a whole lot of respect either.Really there is no choice here. We have to stop thinking about politicians as any kind of parents. Time to grow up and move out and get married and raise our own families and stop asking for permission. Of course if your lifestyle is different that's fine too, but no matter what your choice is it should be your own. That's what it means to be an adult.And it has to be as adults that we speak for ourselves and demand the government stop interfering with our choices.
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Comment #85 posted by FoM on June 14, 2006 at 09:33:01 PT
Ann Coulter
Even Lou Dobbs was intimidated with her. She reminds me of a speed freak or someone who uses cocaine.
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Comment #84 posted by FoM on June 14, 2006 at 09:30:56 PT
Hope
I think many people will watch and learn from it. It will be shown on the Sundance Channel tomorrow I think. They are letting people who just have VHI see it first and then it moves to a pay movie channel.
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Comment #83 posted by Dankhank on June 14, 2006 at 09:27:46 PT
OT .......the harridan
Ann Coulter will be on Leno tonight ...Why should we care?George Carlin is scheduled to be on, too ...Could be good ...Could be great ...Hope he nails her ...
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Comment #82 posted by afterburner on June 14, 2006 at 09:27:21 PT
OT: I Thought You Might Be Interested
"Drugged-driving" Information Resources
http://www.cannabisfacts.ca/druggeddriving.htmlBTW, "The Drug Years" is not currently available in my area. It sounds interesting. I'll be on the look-out for it.
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Comment #81 posted by Hope on June 14, 2006 at 09:18:17 PT
"..it seems accurate and honest."
Will a lot of people, besides us, watch this show...do you think?
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Comment #80 posted by Hope on June 14, 2006 at 09:16:58 PT
"....politcally charged..."
Shhhhhhhh!!!Don't say that! My life is so politically super charged that I can barely stand it!
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Comment #79 posted by Hope on June 14, 2006 at 09:15:10 PT
"hourlong nuggets"
Things that make you go, "Hmmmmm".
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Comment #78 posted by Hope on June 14, 2006 at 09:13:44 PT
I'll try to make a point of watching it...
It's on tonight?If I can have control of the tv...there are Republican TV addicts in this house...often a lot of them!I'll try though.I'll try to make a point of reading this article well later this afternoon.Gotta go.
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Comment #77 posted by FoM on June 14, 2006 at 09:12:17 PT
Fleetwood Mac
I never really listened to their music. I know a few songs of theirs but they didn't seem to be as politcally charged as I liked. They came after the Hippies and I stopped listening to music. When cocaine entered the picture I really turned my back on the whole thing.
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Comment #76 posted by Hope on June 14, 2006 at 09:11:41 PT
If Edward R. Murrow
hadn't smoked himself to death with that cigarette he always had...he might have been able to keep the government from buying today's media like they have...maybe...somehow.
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Comment #75 posted by FoM on June 14, 2006 at 09:07:56 PT
Hope
What I really like about the series is it seems accurate and honest. Hopefully you will be able to see it tonight. It really shows why some politically oriented people disliked Hippies and the counter culture and yet it shows what people loved about Hippies and the counter culture.
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Comment #74 posted by Hope on June 14, 2006 at 09:05:32 PT
Fleetwood Mac sang about Edward R.
"Murrow Turning Over In His Grave".
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Comment #73 posted by Hope on June 14, 2006 at 09:02:03 PT
Dang!
The WHOLE ENTIRE ARTICLE!I usually read comments first....I'm such a dingbat!I was actually diagnosed as a "Little Dinghy" by a counselor once. He said I wasn't crazy..."Just a little dinghy."I'm afflicted with dingyness!Today's my first day off...sort of...got work to do...in I don't know when. And I'm having a dingy day. More coffee...yardwork... housework and trying to see my "blindspots".Aargh. Cannabinoid deprived.
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Comment #72 posted by FoM on June 14, 2006 at 08:58:50 PT
Murrow
Hope I never watched him. I actually don't remember him except the name.
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Comment #71 posted by Hope on June 14, 2006 at 08:57:33 PT
comment 52
"...will throw a wrench in it..."Not realizing the series was already done...I was thinking and wondering what sort of "wrenches" would be thrown in to it.
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Comment #70 posted by FoM on June 14, 2006 at 08:57:05 PT
Hope
It will be on again tonight at 9 pm edt. It is on VHI. It is on channel 335 on DirecTV. Tomorrow night is the last night. It will be the third part of the series tonight. This is when white powders get into it all I think from the previews. That was the end for me. All I hoped for was ruined by cocaine and speed and then people started drinking on top of it. Marijuana and LSD weren't all that was used anymore. I have drywall dirt everywhere now. It wil be so nice to finish this room. It is 14 by 24 feet.
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Comment #69 posted by Hope on June 14, 2006 at 08:55:41 PT
A term from George Bush to remember....
Just read that when he excused himself from dinner the other night...expressing the desire to retire, he said, "I'm losing altitude."I know the feeling.
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Comment #68 posted by Hope on June 14, 2006 at 08:53:48 PT
I plead, "Carbohydrates".
Excessive brain and tissue swelling from yesterday's chocolate cake.
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Comment #67 posted by Hope on June 14, 2006 at 08:52:20 PT
I love just about everyone, try to, anyway.
I was Reminiscing about Edward R. Murrow and You Are There.Oh my gosh...I feel old and not a little senile!Looks down...trudges on...Gotta keep going...somehow.
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Comment #66 posted by Hope on June 14, 2006 at 08:49:17 PT
Watching the series?
Duh! No I didn't know you meant it was on right now. Things are crazy busy around here and we aren't even accomplishing something by "tearing a wall down". (Although I think I may have removed a supporting post, myself, on my house a couple of years ago! I think I may see signs of trouble. I'm kind of worried...I need to call a professional.I so rarely, as in never...watch tv, unless someone has it on and I notice it. My husband does...but he rarely ever watches anything I might be interested in.TV makes me sleepy, too.Anyway....you mean it's on now?Time and place, please. Maybe I can see it.My "speed reading" seems to be up to parr....but the speed comprehension isn't doing so well.Sorry.%0{
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Comment #65 posted by FoM on June 14, 2006 at 08:42:08 PT
Hope
Who do you love?
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Comment #64 posted by Hope on June 14, 2006 at 08:41:09 PT
"Loved"
I should say.
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Comment #63 posted by Hope on June 14, 2006 at 08:40:32 PT
YOU ARE THERE
I love that show and that guy.
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Comment #62 posted by FoM on June 14, 2006 at 08:32:21 PT
Hope
Haven't you been watching the series? It really is good. It really shows how ideas can be such a good thing but soon someone will throw a wrench in it and make it hard on everyone. Tonight they are going to talk about cocaine I think and that was when I gave it all up, went to church and thought they blew it for us.
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Comment #61 posted by Hope on June 14, 2006 at 08:24:48 PT
"What do you think...?"
It sounds very interesting. It's interesting to see what you lived become "historical".My first Beatle's music was a forty five. I Want To Hold Your Hand was on one side and She Was Just Seventeen on the other.I used it in a school skit for the community. My skit was a take off on the old Edward R. Murrow shows. Our Edward R. Murrow even got to have a cigarette in his hand like Edward did. My little sister and three other elementary shool children and neighbors came up the aisle of the auditorium, costumed, playing toy guitars with the song being broadcast through the auditorium speaker system. They were the Beatles!!!...and they entered the rear of the auditorium at the end of our skit and came rocking up the aisle to the stage. It was so sweet...except that when the record was played for them to enter and pantomine to...and they had practiced and practiced...my record "engineer", I was on onstage, to my dismay...played the wrong side. The little Beatles proceeded like little troopers, though, and went boldly (as only children can do) out in front of the whole community and performed to a song they hadn't practiced for.It was great. My little sister had a "pixie"/ "bowl" haircut that was very akin to the the Beatle's hair styles at that time. Bangs...Bangs...Bangs. She made a great Beatle.They wouldn't have allowed us to do it now...what with the narrator's cigarette and the fake "cocktails" we used in the fake cocktail party scene(a chance to wear our formal wear).It was fun living in those days. The last days before the giant, mean Nanny state took over.Less free. We are less free than we were. That's a shame.
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Comment #60 posted by FoM on June 14, 2006 at 08:10:30 PT
Just a Comment
I believe in tearing down the walls. The only problem is this is vacation time for many people so instead we are tearing down our living room wall today. LOL!
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Comment #59 posted by FoM on June 14, 2006 at 08:08:39 PT
Off Topic: Daryl Hannah Arrested in a Tree
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11069-2225453,00.html
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Comment #58 posted by FoM on June 14, 2006 at 08:01:28 PT
Hope
I thought that was really cool too. What do you think about the Drug Years Series? I think it's great. I watched a special last night on Momma Cass Elliot. What a great time it was back then.
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Comment #57 posted by Hope on June 14, 2006 at 07:56:23 PT
Bob Dylan....I love him...
He misunderstood the Beatle's lyrics. Lol! An this from he who been so often misunderstood. That's funny."I never knew that it was Bob Dylan who first turned the Beatles on to pot in 1964 and that it was over a lyrical misunderstanding: He thought the line in "I Want to Hold Your Hand" was "It's such a feeling that my love . . . I get high" instead of what it really was, ". . . I can't hide."""Everybody Must Get Stoned!"Oh Bob...
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Comment #56 posted by Toker00 on June 14, 2006 at 03:40:41 PT
It just says
later this month, gw. Soon, though, like within the next two-three weeks. Support this bill, you Knuckleheads! Toke.
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Comment #55 posted by global_warming on June 14, 2006 at 02:30:23 PT
re:Hinchey Amendment
http://tinyurl.com/kj7qp
"Rodeman said she wanted to be clear that the town is supporting a resolution that only encourages Salazar to vote in favor of the amendment."When is that due for a vote?
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Comment #54 posted by FoM on June 13, 2006 at 22:36:39 PT
whig
It was a time of feeling a sense of constant doom because of Vietnam. When you start to believe that your life or someone you love could be killed in a war that made no sense it was the spark that ignited all that was happening back then. Being part of the Establishment really wasn't what that generation believed was the right way to go. Drugs were new and different. We didn't have any way to gauge what drugs were good and what drugs were bad or harmful. It took years and after people died it started to connect. When you see musicians burn out you step back and question if there is a thing as too much of a good thing. I know that too much of a good thing can kill a person. There were no boundaries. The sky was the limit. The problem is all good things come to and end and the end of this part of the drug years crashed hard.
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Comment #53 posted by whig on June 13, 2006 at 22:21:14 PT
FoM
I watched the second night too and it was significant to me that heroin and cocaine and other drugs started coming massively into the scene when marijuana stopped being available and that seemed to lead into the violence at Altamont. Since I wasn't even born yet I'm going on what I've watched and read about it so I'm open to other perspectives of course.Also I do think that LSD, for all that it can expand the mind, does not have the same beneficence of cannabis. It can be very positive for some people and negative for others and there's not much of a push one way or the other except that it is a strong stimulant (makes it very difficult to sleep) with a significant body load and discomfort when it wears off. This is so unlike cannabis. I'm not anti-LSD but I have more of a guarded opinion and I don't think it's good for everyone.I'm someone who took it every weekend for almost a year, because it is a profoundly good painkiller and it works that long on even a microscopic dose (below 50 micrograms). A lot of what I could call negatives for me could as likely as not have been something more related to the genuine physical pain and how I was channelling it and attempting to remove my sense of it. If I'd had insurance it would have been better just to fix my hip then but I didn't and it was an effective crutch for awhile, but the disruption to my sleep and other things was not good and I feel that led me toward sedatives. There's probably a significant connection there to the fact that so many of the people like Janis Joplin died of sedatives.Bottom line is I'm much more comfortable that cannabis can bring about the good feelings of love and community that the sixties had going for it, without the crash and burn. I know that many people have used cannabis regularly for decades without it causing them harm but I don't know of anyone who has taken anything else for as long or regular a time and not had problems.
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Comment #52 posted by rchandar on June 13, 2006 at 21:27:29 PT:
global warming
what about faggot? It's used almost universally, and from what I can tell it has nothing to do with being gay anymore.
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Comment #51 posted by FoM on June 13, 2006 at 19:34:56 PT
Just a Comment On The Second Night
I believed they did a good job of telling where people were and how it all started to come crashing down. I remember seeing on the news what happened at Altamont. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AltamontThe Rolling Stones sang a song called Sympathy for the Devil and I think that was one of the main reasons for the chaos and killing. I see how human nature can turn things around and no one has much control over it. There will always be spoilers in every good thing.
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Comment #50 posted by FoM on June 13, 2006 at 17:48:54 PT
Words
Being called an old lady can be endearing but it also can make a woman very angry. It's all in how it's said. Words.
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Comment #49 posted by global_warming on June 13, 2006 at 16:19:55 PT
Lest I Forget
Free Cannabis,Free the Human Beings Users Of Cannabis,
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Comment #48 posted by global_warming on June 13, 2006 at 16:03:03 PT
sorry whigger
Yes inflection is everything in language,The spoken word is a function of our ability to think,Our ability to think has built this world,It is in this world that most of us languish,
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Comment #47 posted by global_warming on June 13, 2006 at 15:49:51 PT
i think you missed my point
name calling and pointing fingers, makes some people feel good, as if that scapegoat was pushed off into the wilderness to die..
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Comment #46 posted by whig on June 13, 2006 at 15:44:03 PT
gw
It's not in the word but the inflection. Someone can use "hippie" as a term of disparagement, as a near-cuss word, but another person can wear it as a badge of praise. It's just like the debate over "pothead" and some have said they don't like the word but when I use it for myself it is not something I am ashamed of at all.I think a good analogy is that some people use "Jew" as a term of hatred, some use it as a term of friendly identification. It doesn't inherently carry the negative connotation. In some parts of the world, it does, but in other places it doesn't.I bet there are a lot of places, particularly in the south, that "hippie" is always a negative word, but it isn't one to me.
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Comment #45 posted by global_warming on June 13, 2006 at 15:38:15 PT
question
"I sometimes believe that they think that Hippies went away but they never did."What is a Hippie?By my understanding it is a name, a label placed on certain people, much like pothead, Bohemian and Nigger or Spick.Too often and easily forget that we are all some kind of name, krauts, Nips, turban heads, sand niggers, whores, blasphemers, liberals, godless and generally useless human life forms, that have no purpose in this world.It is easy to point your finger at some strange person or group, for you know, that while you are pointing your finger at the guilty party, they will not look your way, you can feel a little braver, a little bit safer, for by pointing your finger at that "bad" person, that hippie, you know that this world will be a better and safer place.I wonder, sometimes, how much of the American population is suffering from mental illness, the Arab population, the Israelis, the Russians, it seems that mental illness is more prevalent than most of us understand.So here we are, In America, a drug war that can only be won, when every suffering human being is placed in some cage, and while most taxpayers walk a fine line, they are only waiting for that knock on their door.
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Comment #44 posted by FoM on June 13, 2006 at 13:43:51 PT
Toker00
Soon they will be yelling. Help they are everywhere. LOL!
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Comment #43 posted by Toker00 on June 13, 2006 at 13:26:02 PT
Bonnaroo
Now that, FoM, is one face of the south. What a great bunch of sports. If ya can't lick 'em, join 'em! Do you think the fence will stand? Ha! Let those Bonnarooers get a whiff of those burgers and such and that fence will come down.Museman, have you thought of playing there?Toke.
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Comment #42 posted by FoM on June 13, 2006 at 12:23:58 PT
Bonnaroo Neighbors Take It All in Stride
More on a culture that's still alive and well.***June 13, 2006Excerpt: Beginning Wednesday the masses will again begin descending on Coffee County from all points of the compass for their annual fix of 24/7 music, bacchanalian consumption of beer, spirits and - shhhh - marijuana, and a weekend of communal living reminiscent of their parents' Woodstock.http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=35187
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Comment #41 posted by Dankhank on June 13, 2006 at 12:18:16 PT
finishing up now
Hendrix: Band of Gypsys on Dish 355, now ...should run again, look for it ...pretty amazing ....pretty amazing ...
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Comment #40 posted by FoM on June 13, 2006 at 09:13:07 PT
The Burning Man Project
I sometimes believe that they think that Hippies went away but they never did. http://www.burningman.com/
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Comment #39 posted by whig on June 13, 2006 at 08:43:43 PT
Slow news
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/06/12/ap/strange/mainD8I6UJR00.shtmlExcerpt:(AP) After reporters pointed out that wild marijuana, commonly called ditch weed, was growing on the lawn at the federal courthouse in Sioux Falls, the greenery was eliminated.City officials and a developer said seeds in dirt brought in for construction must have sprouted.
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Comment #38 posted by FoM on June 13, 2006 at 07:43:44 PT
Just a Note
It must be vacation time for writers. News is really slow but June is our slowest month. I'm glad we have the series on the Drug Years to watch. Have a great summer day everyone.
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Comment #37 posted by FoM on June 13, 2006 at 07:08:40 PT
John Tyler
It was a time for youth and what a time it was. Being able to think differently was something wonderful and was really absent before the 60s kicked in. Ozzie and Harriet and Father Knows Best just didn't fit anymore.
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Comment #36 posted by John Tyler on June 13, 2006 at 06:55:42 PT
it was a time of change
You can see how the older generation totally freaked out about the younger generation. They took on a new outlook, they were no longer comfortable with conventional society’s restrictions, they wore different clothes, they had different hair styles, they drove different cars (Beetles and Micobuses), they took different drugs (as opposed to the usual alcohol, tobacco, and prescription drugs), they had different thoughts, they didn’t agree with society’s racism, or it’s war in ‘Nam (Remember the massive antiwar demonstration s in DC?). They wanted to live a more simplified, pure lifestyle. They preferred to make love not war. Their music blared from radio and stereo speakers. It was absolutely wonderful. There was a line from the musical “HAIR” that said’ “LBJ looked out and what did he see, the youth of America on LSD.” It was hilarious. None of this made any sense to the older establishment generation so they tried to crush them with every power at their disposal.
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Comment #35 posted by FoM on June 12, 2006 at 21:24:20 PT
Whig
I think of San Francisco as the heartbeat of America.
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Comment #34 posted by whig on June 12, 2006 at 21:14:36 PT
FoM
What I know is that whenever the rightwing blowhards want to complain about their hated "liberals" they say California, and then they say San Francisco or maybe Berkeley if they want to be even more precise. It's the city they hate.I think it really is the epicenter of the social transformation that was the '60s and is today the medical marijuana movement and it continues but just more quietly than it did then.There's a difference between a political capitol like Washington DC and a financial capitol like New York City. San Francisco isn't either one, and the peace movement was never about politics or money but social relationships. It was and is the peace capitol, I think, and based on all the artwork openly displayed everywhere there for peace and against war it is still alive and well.
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Comment #33 posted by FoM on June 12, 2006 at 20:14:57 PT
Whig
I think you will like San Francisco. I know things have changed but somethings just don't ever change.
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Comment #32 posted by whig on June 12, 2006 at 19:51:50 PT
San Francisco
The show really did reaffirm my belief that we can end war and we can make a better society if we can end cannabis prohibition. San Francisco became a city of peace.I've seen it for myself and I'm gonna go live there.
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Comment #31 posted by Dankhank on June 12, 2006 at 19:48:52 PT
Pothead ...
is a state of mind ...
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Comment #30 posted by whig on June 12, 2006 at 19:33:25 PT
Toker00
Sure. More than anything it communicates my perspective with simplicity to anyone without the need for explanation or justification. Other potheads are unlikely to think I'm a bad person, though they might prefer other terminology for themselves. Prohibians might think I'm the devil but they wouldn't think better of me if I said I was a cannabist instead.No cannabist me. I'm a pothead.Even when I'm completely sober.
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Comment #29 posted by Toker00 on June 12, 2006 at 19:25:27 PT
Whig
You're a Pothead. : )Toke.
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Comment #28 posted by whig on June 12, 2006 at 19:21:10 PT
Dankhank
They did refer to themselves in the opening segment pretty openly as potheads, for all that a lot of people here have taken offense to the term. I tried cannabist on my wife and she thought it was funny and pretentious. Pothead works for me. Maybe it's not right for everyone, and it's never nice if it's used as a term of anger or disrespect. But I use it with respect. Different strokes.
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Comment #27 posted by FoM on June 12, 2006 at 19:20:04 PT
Dankhank
What a time it was for so many people. Waking up and discovering that what you always believed wasn't all there was. They feared the hippie culture. Hippies thought for themselves and that was not good when conformity was what was expected.
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Comment #26 posted by Dankhank on June 12, 2006 at 19:05:19 PT
A Time ...
Hearing Peter Cayote talk about acid so open and favorable is so at odds with conventional wisdom, yet so true.Nobody said "trippin'," though ... bummer ...
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Comment #25 posted by FoM on June 12, 2006 at 18:48:50 PT
It's Great
What a time.
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Comment #24 posted by Dankhank on June 12, 2006 at 18:27:30 PT
VH1 is groovin'
Acid Tests ............a phrase that is in the modern lexicon as a stern test ...
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Comment #23 posted by whig on June 12, 2006 at 18:18:17 PT
VH1 show
It's very good so far.
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Comment #22 posted by whig on June 12, 2006 at 17:42:06 PT
FoM
That's why this is my issue #1.
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Comment #21 posted by FoM on June 12, 2006 at 17:10:57 PT
Whig
That would be so nice.
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Comment #20 posted by FoM on June 12, 2006 at 17:07:42 PT
The Drug Years
I am looking forward to this series starting tonight. It looks interesting. I hope others watch it too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monterey_Pop
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Comment #19 posted by Genthirdday on June 12, 2006 at 16:58:11 PT
#10.... DAN B re: Police Chief Timoney
Miami Police Chief appeared on TV to discuss increase in violent crime, relating to METH.I bet John Timoney, who also was the former NYPD Deputy Commissioner, failed to mention that his son Sean was arrested in upstate New York last November 2005 with $450,000, the article said a down payment for 400lbs of MJ. Bond was $500,000 and he surrendered his handgun.
I have been interested in the outcome but no word yet. Anyone else, under the Rockefeller Drug Laws, would get 40 years.
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Comment #18 posted by global_warming on June 12, 2006 at 16:50:16 PT
For I am Lost
a wretch, so blind,
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Comment #17 posted by global_warming on June 12, 2006 at 16:46:23 PT
So Sorry Fomme
Hope you can forgive me,
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Comment #16 posted by global_warming on June 12, 2006 at 16:18:15 PT
You can add this current war to the dust bin,
For every dollar of taxation is taken and controlled,By those with smooth hands, those that "live by wit,The rule of law has a deeper and darker understanding,It was the rule of law that hammered those bloody nails,Into the flesh of that old Rabbi,It was tired and respected beliefs,Which stand up and say 'Hail,And mark their eternal place in this restless and eternal universe,When you are ready to gasp your last breath, and you have had time to witness, your place, consider that other possibility, that your mortal timeframe is only a brief look into the eyes of this world, and those things you do not understand, about Eternity, Everlasting Grace, God and the Mysteries, are the start of your journey, into this world, onto an Everlasting Path, a Path that is Lighted by the Eternal Night Sky, a Path that Marks and Measures the Goodness and Grace of Your Eternal Gestures.
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Comment #15 posted by whig on June 12, 2006 at 16:11:58 PT
FoM
If we end cannabis prohibition, we can end war altogether.
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Comment #14 posted by global_warming on June 12, 2006 at 15:56:04 PT
That was good Danbee
The parallels, between the rise of violence is proprtianal to the tax payers dollar, that silent majority, who pays for all those prisons, and yet, those silent majorities, who mostly obey the "law" seem to have an upset stomach, could it be this futile drug war, a war that is so wrong?
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Comment #13 posted by FoM on June 12, 2006 at 14:58:49 PT
Dan
You're welcome. I am really beginning to think that if we would be able to end the drug war another war would be created to takes it's place. It just seems to go around and around.
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Comment #12 posted by Dan B on June 12, 2006 at 14:27:56 PT
FoM
Thanks. The article got me thinking about these things, and this was the only forum I could think of where a response to the article might be appropriate. So, thank YOU for the opportunity to post here.Dan B
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Comment #11 posted by FoM on June 12, 2006 at 13:05:00 PT
Dan
That was very good. Thank you.
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Comment #10 posted by Dan B on June 12, 2006 at 12:37:53 PT
Violent Crime Up
Below is a link to an article about the rise in violent crime last year. Here is a short clip from that article: John Timoney, Miami's police chief, tells CBS News' The Early Show that the advent over the last three years of the drug Meth, as well as a growth in gangs, may be responsible for the spike in crime. "There's often a trend in violence with that particular drug," Timoney said. "Secondly, we're starting to see the emergence of gangs that have been traditionally in the big cities like L.A. and in the border cities, down in Texas now appear in the Midwest, in Omaha and places like that." My comment is this: we arguably wouldn't have such a problem with gangs and meth in this country if our government had redirected its focus away from cannabis and toward meth and hard drugs as recently as five years ago. The upside-down nature of the so-called drug war directly results in the creation and distribution of more addictive, more lethal substances because large numbers of doses of such substances are easier to transport surreptitiously than are large numbers of doses of less addictive, less harmful substances. In other words, one can transport 1000 doses of meth a lot easier than one can transport 1000 doses of cannabis because cannabis is bulkier, thus harder to hide. Illegal drug sellers, like all businesspeople, naturally gravitate toward what will reap the highest profits with the least risk. Hard drugs provide this opportunity more than cannabis.Because all drug law enforcement groups, from the local police to the DEA, care more about presenting a certain image to the public than actually doing something about truly dangerous substances, they go for what looks like a big bust on camera. Next time you see a TV news clip of a "major drug bust" in your area, listen to what is said, then look at what they show on camera. They will often say something like, "Police confiscated 150 pounds of marijuana and more than four pounds of cocaine." When you look at the actual fotage of the bust, all they will show is the cannabis wrapped up in nice big plastic wrap bundles. You likely won't even see the cocaine. Why? Because (1) they want to show a substantial haul, and the cannabis looks much bigger on film; (2) they want to demonize cannabis at every turn, and such "drug busts" provide an opportunity to associate images of cannabis with police intervention (counting on the idea that police intervention automatically means that something "bad" required their presence), and (3) they want to make cannabis users cringe at the sight of all that cannabis going to waste. The thing is, the cocaine is likely to provide more profit than the cannabis--especially since such bulk quantities of cannabis are often of low quality.Reason 1 (above) is why police/news organizations don't usually show what cops get from meth lab busts. Typically, what they find in meth lab busts are a bunch of precursor chemicals, a bunch of lab equipment, and maybe some methamphetamine, but rarely in quantities that look good on camera (sometimes they will show the meth in those little vials they seem to come in because those little vials increase the appearance of the haul's size). Because these busts do not look good on camera, law enforcement typically spends the bulk of its resources and time going after cannabis rather than going after the truly dangerous substances that are out there. Reason (2) insures that footage of these busts will continue to have the desired effect of increasing public support for funneling more money to drug law enforcement.Reason (3) insures that cannabis users will continue to have images of vast quantities of cannabis dancing in their heads, thus providing job security for law enforcement. Consider it advertising. Listen carefully, and you will likely hear something like this: "We know that there are still a lot of drugs out there, but at least these drugs are off the streets." What they are saying is "Hey, if you like these substances, don't let this bust discourage you!"Which brings me to reason (4)--the reason for the bust in the first place: price fixing. When a customer buys gasoline for his or her vehicle, the danger involved with obtaining that substance is factored in. The same is true for illegal drugs. As long as the police continue to publicize their "major drug busts," those who sell drugs can continue to charge exhorbitant prices with the rationalization that the substances are dangerous to obtain. Big cannabis busts help to maintain high prices for all illegal drugs because people tend to generalize (as do police and reporters at every opportunity) from "cannabis bust" to "drug bust" with very little prompting.I went off on a tangent, I think, but my point is that without police misdirection of resources toward "fighting cannabis" (a substance that does not require a "war"), and thus away from trying to curb the impact of hard drugs, violence due to meth and the gangs that sell it would not be so rampant as to cause an overall spike in violence across the country.Having said all that, meth has been around for a long time, and perhaps they are putting the blame on "drugs" because they don't want to admit that the examples of violence provided by agents of our government over the past four or five years might have something to do with the country's increasing violent tendencies. But that's a topic for another post.Dan B
Violent Crime Up, 1st Time in 5 Years
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Comment #9 posted by runderwo on June 12, 2006 at 11:25:01 PT
be it resolved
*** BE IT THEREFORE RESOLVED, that the Ontario Association of Chiefs of Police until such time as appropriate regulations, monitoring systems, security and enforcement procedures are implemented by Health and Welfare Canada, does not condone the growing of low THC hemp.I don't condone the growing of low THC hemp either. Kind bud or bust please!
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Comment #8 posted by afterburner on June 12, 2006 at 08:51:57 PT
Three Reasons for Front-Door Legalization
1) Although Canada was the first country in the post-Prohibition era to recognize medical cannabis, the federal government has been maliciously hesitant, the medical profession has been largely uncooperative, and the sick and dying have been burdened with excessive paperwork and police harassment.2) Canada was the first country to approve Sativex as a prescription medication. However, the cost of this "liquid marijuana" is prohibitive to the largely disabled MS audience. To cover the exorbitant costs of Sativex vs. herbal cannabis would be a financial load on the Canadian Health-care system.3) The Canadian Federal Government licences hemp growers, but the Ontario Association of Chiefs of Police do "not condone the growing of ... hemp." Yet, in order to qualify for a federal licence "a grower must obtain a letter of 'No Objection' from the local police authority."Even though one of Canada's previous "Grandmothers," Queen Victoria, used herbal cannabis to ease her menstrual cramps, things on the Canadian side of the Medicine Line are far from rosy.The solution is obvious. If the cops don't want to police the hemp crops, get them out of the picture, Legalize and Regulate, like other herbs! If the medical profession is reluctant to prescribe medical cannabis, let the herbalists, naturopaths, and health food stores manage it!Links: Government Bullying Medicinal Pot Users, Advocate Charges.
Posted by CN Staff on January 26, 2004.
By Kirstin Endemann, CanWest News Service.
Source: Edmonton Journal.
http://www.freedomtoexhale.com/medpotusers.htm&&&Spray Alternative To Pot On The Market in Canada
http://cannabisnews.com/news/20/thread20893.shtml
Posted by CN Staff on June 23, 2005.
By Wendy Koch, USA Today.
Source: USA Today "Canadians now have access to a legal spray alternative to medical marijuana. Beginning this week, multiple sclerosis patients with constant tingling pain can get a doctor's prescription for a new drug, Sativex, derived from the marijuana plant." &&&{RESOLUTION 96-4:
GROWING OF LOW THC HEMP.
Approved by the Board of Directors at the 45th Annual General Me. [Meeting]
http://www.oacp.on.ca/content/positions/view_resolution.html?id=3{WHEREAS; the Federal Government is presently allowing the cultivation of low THC marijuana for use as raw material in the production of paper, cloth, building material and other products, WHEREAS; to grow such crop, a licence must be obtained from Health and Welfare Canada. Before such licence is issued, a grower must obtain a letter of "No Objection" from the local police authority, WHEREAS; although Health and Welfare Canada issues the licence, they do not have a regulatory body in place to ensure there is no abuse, as they perceive this to be a police issue, WHEREAS; police are not a crop assessment body and should not have to take samples and analyze them to determine THC levels. Nor should the police be required to assess security or monitor a hemp crop grown under a licence issued by Health and Welfare Canada, BE IT THEREFORE RESOLVED, that the Ontario Association of Chiefs of Police until such time as appropriate regulations, monitoring systems, security and enforcement procedures are implemented by Health and Welfare Canada, does not condone the growing of low THC hemp.}
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Comment #7 posted by FoM on June 12, 2006 at 07:49:51 PT
About the Series
I don't know if I will like the last two hours because that is when we lost hope because of cocaine that the laws would be changed but the first two hours sound great.
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Comment #6 posted by John Tyler on June 12, 2006 at 06:42:47 PT
Thanks
Thanks for the reminder. I had forgotten about this.
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Comment #5 posted by Had Enough on June 12, 2006 at 06:11:38 PT
NBC's Dateline
Gives real meaning to the term “Race-baiting”Couldn’t resist. ;)
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Comment #4 posted by Had Enough on June 12, 2006 at 06:03:09 PT
Off Topic
NASCAR rebukes NBC for Dateline tactics“NASCAR said NBC's Dateline NBC confirmed it was sending Muslim-looking men to a race, along with a camera crew to film fans' reactions. The NBC crew was "apparently on site in Martinsville, Virginia, walked around and no one bothered them," NASCAR spokesman Ramsey Poston said Wednesday.
"It is outrageous that a news organization of NBC's stature would stoop to the level of going out to create news instead of reporting news," Poston said.
"Any legitimate journalist in America should be embarrassed by this stunt. The obvious intent by NBC was to evoke reaction, and we are confident our fans won't take the bait," he said.and…. http://www.nascar.com/2006/news/headlines/cup/04/06/nbc.dateline/index.htmlIt’s pathetic that news people conduct themselves in this manner. They actually placed humans as bait, wanting to incite an incident. They admit to doing it. This is off topic but it just shows what has to be dealt with, while having outdated laws changed.For History buffs: Prohibition I gave the world NASCAR races. What will Prohibition II (the sequel), leave us?
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Comment #3 posted by mayan on June 12, 2006 at 05:12:09 PT
The Dominant Culture
The counter-culture is certainly becoming the dominant culture. Thank you George W. Bush and the neo-cons for enlightening the world about your evil ways. You have mobilized peace loving people everywhere. The desperate culture of war,fear and oppression is quickly going out of style!Thanks for that link, Celaya. Some cool stuff there!
THE WAY OUT IS THE WAY IN...FBI says, "No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11":
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060611155014535Zarqawi, 9/11 and the Bogus War on Terror:
http://www.911citizenswatch.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=883Former CIA Member Robert Baer Comments on 9/11 'Inside Job' Possibilities (audio):
http://www.911blogger.com/2006/06/former-cia-member-robert-baer-comments.htmlBarrie Zwicker at the Chicago Conference: "Left Gatekeepers and Agents of the State" (video):
http://www.truthmove.org/video/barriezwicker.html911podcasts.com presents Italian Debate Show Discuss WTC7 collapse:
http://www.911podcasts.com/display.php?vid=113
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Comment #2 posted by Celaya on June 12, 2006 at 01:41:28 PT
Hey folks
"Mister Emery" is now being featured at the MMA - Marijuana Music Awards Website - along with some other good tunes.
Marijuana Music Awards Featured Songs
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Comment #1 posted by FoM on June 11, 2006 at 21:31:46 PT
The Drug Years: Clips from The Sundance Channel
http://www.sundancechannel.com/home/
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