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Marijuana Ticketing Increases
Posted by CN Staff on March 14, 2005 at 07:23:10 PT
By Joe Meyer
Source: Columbia Missourian
Although Columbia police officers have made plain their disapproval of the city’s new marijuana ordinance, they are enforcing the law with zeal, and the numbers show it. Columbia police have ticketed more people per month for misdemeanor possession of marijuana since voters approved Proposition 2 in November, but most are not being prosecuted. First-time offenders are given a second chance as part of the municipal court’s marijuana deferral program.
The way the court is handling the cases prompted the Columbia Police Officers Association to start a petition drive to ask the City Council to repeal the ordinance. The ordinance passed with 61 percent support on Nov. 2. During a news conference held Friday to announce the drive, CPOA President Sterling Infield said the organization was caught sleeping before the election. It did not organize any opposition, because it did not think the proposition would pass, Infield said.Police Chief Randy Boehm said officers will distribute the petitions during off-duty hours and when they are not wearing their police uniforms. Police officers must enforce the law, he said, even though most do not approve of it. “My job, whether I like the ordinances or not, is to make sure that our officers are following the law, and we are,” Boehm said.But recent talk of the marijuana ordinance has dominated discussion on CPOA’s online message board. The conversation stems from a letter Infield wrote to Assistant City Manager Paula Hertwig Hopkins last month to voice the concerns of the police organization. In that letter, he connected the marijuana ordinance with the murder of Officer Molly Bowden.“To stop this ordinance would bring a small degree of justice back to Officer Molly Bowden and Officer Curtis Brown, who risked all to protect their community,” Infield wrote.On Friday, Infield backed away from that assertion, saying that the association is not trying to relate the two incidents, but that police continue to deal with drugs every day. From November to February, Columbia police wrote 141 tickets for misdemeanor marijuana possession and possession of drug paraphernalia. That number increased from the 100 arrests police made in the same time period a year ago. The number of arrests in the period was 69 two years ago.In February, police issued 44 tickets, the biggest monthly total in the last 10 years.Boehm said police are not going out of their way to enforce the ordinance. In nearly every case, a ticket is issued when an officer discovers the marijuana during other law enforcement activities, such as traffic stops.Proposition 2 made marijuana possession a municipal charge handled by the municipal court instead of a state charge handled by state court. Before the new ordinance was adopted, the municipal court handled only cases involving first-time offenders. All other cases were sent to state court.Under the marijuana deferral program, the municipal prosecutor’s office defers prosecution of first-offense marijuana cases. If the person who is ticketed stays out of legal trouble for a year after he or she is ticketed, the charge will never be filed. “It’s like a freebie,” City Prosecutor Rose Wibbenmeyer said. “It’s like it doesn’t exist, but I reserve the right to file within the statute of limitations, which is a year.” More than 200 defendants have been put on the deferral list and been kept out of the courtroom since November.Columbia lawyer Dan Viets, who campaigned for the ordinance, said he is happy with the way the city is handling the cases. He said the deferral program is consistent with the language of the ordinance. It could be considered the equivalent of unsupervised probation, Viets said.“It leaves the defendant on notice,” Viets said. “It’s not a freebie. It’s not as if there are no consequences. It’s exactly what is appropriate and reasonable.”Wibbenmeyer said that when her office receives a ticket for marijuana possession, the person’s name is added to a spreadsheet that has been kept since Election Day. The ticket is filed. The ticket stays in the file for a year unless the person is caught violating any laws other than minor traffic offenses. If the person violates another law during the deferral period, city prosecutors may decide to file the original charge.One reason Viets pushed for the law was so someone would not lose educational or employment opportunities because of a misdemeanor marijuana conviction, he said.But Wibbenmeyer said deferring prosecution for first-time violators makes her a little uneasy.“The whole idea is kind of strange to me,” she said. “Under the new ordinance, marijuana is the lowest law enforcement priority — lower than parking tickets. We have trials for parking tickets. We make people pay for parking tickets.”The seconds time a person is ticketed for marijuana possession, whether during or after the one-year deferral period, the person will be charged, Wibbenmeyer said. If someone is convicted, the court has many sentencing options outlined by the ordinance, including assigning community service, drug treatment programs and a fine of up to $250.The only glitch created by the new program so far is that it has complicated a storage problem for the police department. The evidence for deferred cases has to be kept for the entire year in case the person ticketed violates the terms of the deferral and the charge is filed.Police Capt. Tom Dresner said the evidence from misdemeanor marijuana cases is being stored at an off-site storage unit to make room for evidence from other cases. Room in the Evidence Storage Unit has always been limited, he said.In November, when city prosecutors purge the first tickets for deferred cases, they will also have to get court orders to destroy the evidence for those cases.“We’re going to have a huge amount to deal with in November,” Wibbenmeyer said. “I’m sure it’s going to hit in a big way.” Missourian reporter Ben Welsh contributed to this report.Note: Police are enforcing the ordinance many want to see repealed.Source: Columbia Missourian (MO)Author: Joe MeyerPublished: March 14, 2005Copyright: 2005 Columbia MissourianContact: editor digmo.com Website: http://www.columbiamissourian.com/Related Articles:Police Launch Petition Drive Against Pot Law http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread20349.shtmlPolice Group Seeks To Alter City’s Pot Law http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread20295.shtmlSenator Seeks To Penalize City for Marijuana Lawshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread20140.shtml 
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Comment #42 posted by ekim on March 16, 2005 at 10:53:12 PT
 US longest running War ----on a plant
AB great comment on #41 it reads like a trailer for a upcoming movie.Who will make this film. I hope when MPP and Norml have there meetings someone will bring up the need to make such a film
http://www.leap.cc/events
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Comment #41 posted by afterburner on March 16, 2005 at 10:00:06 PT
Also Extreme Waste of Money Nationwide #37
$7,500,000,000.00
	
(=10000*750000)
	
$10,000 for each arrest times 750,000 arrests nationwide in the most current year$7.5 Billion just to arrest all the cannabis offenders (cannabis consumers, merchants, and farmers)And this does not include the cost of LEO's, judges and other court employees, prison guards, trials, prison maintenance and prisoner costs, lost income and taxes, family breakdown and welfare costs, lost educational opportunities and related loss of income and taxes passed down from generation to generation, and resulting crime from prohibition-caused poverty, Congressional appropriations to lying bureacrats to demonize a useful medicine, relaxant, spiritual aid, and cash crop.Think about it. Prohibition maims, prohibition kills, prohibition bleeds our communities of scarce funding, prohibition empowers criminals, prohibition undermines safety, prohibition breaks up families. Can we afford these costs?
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Comment #40 posted by afterburner on March 16, 2005 at 09:11:34 PT
More Federal Overreach and Bullying - Comment #37
"Citing a federal statute I was unaware of, she told the committee that when a person is convicted of a drug offense, Texas must suspend the person's driver's license for six months in order to meet the federal highway funds requirements. So as originally drafted, the bill would have jeopardized about 10 percent of federal highway funds coming to Texas." -- http://gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.com/Laws: Cases and Codes : U.S. Code : Title 23 : Section 159Section 159. Revocation or suspension of drivers' licenses of individuals convicted of drug offenses http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/uscodes/23/chapters/1/subchapters/i/sections/section%5F159.html--5% Federal Highway Funds withheld from states [beginning fiscal 1994]--10% Federal Highway Funds withheld from states [beginning fiscal 1996]--unless they pass and enforce state laws parroting the federal zero-tolerance [six-month state drivers license suspension for any conviction under the Controlled Substances Act or any drug offense, even if no motor vehicle was involved in the offense]
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Comment #39 posted by Hope on March 16, 2005 at 06:46:10 PT
This probably also means 
we can expect a visit from the infamous John Walters lecturing the lege about the evils of marijuana. 
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Comment #38 posted by Hope on March 16, 2005 at 06:42:24 PT
I'm awed.
It's just the tiniest step...maybe not even a step...but the intention to take a step. It's towards sanity though!
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Comment #37 posted by Hope on March 16, 2005 at 06:17:43 PT
From Grits for Breakfast
No opposition to marijuana restructuring in committee!
So far, so good.The law enforcement and prosecutor lobbyists were all in the back row watching, but nobody signed up to oppose HB 254 by Houston state Rep. Harold Dutton, which would restructure sentences for low-level marijuana possession, in Tuesday's House Criminal Jurisprudence Committee hearing. ACLU, NORML, and a handful of well-coifed members of the public spoke in support, telling the committee the legislation would free up much-needed jail space and provide taxpayer relief. A judges' representative testified "on" the bill, meaning they didn't take a position for or against. Rep. Dutton cited FBI statistics indicating each marijuana arrest currently costs local government around $10,000, which would work out to around half a billion dollars or so annually, statewide.There were two significant changes in the committee substitute (new language given to the committee under the same bill number) from the filed bill: People ticketed would have their drivers license suspended for six months, as per federal law, and be required to attend a drug education class. Dutton said the class would reinforce the seriousness of the offense, but that making it a Class C misdemeanor would keep the offense off most job applications and cause fewer young people to enter the probation system.A resource witness from the Texas Department of Transportation explained the license suspension provision. Citing a federal statute I was unaware of, she told the committee that when a person is convicted of a drug offense, Texas must suspend the person's driver's license for six months in order to meet the federal highway funds requirements. So as originally drafted, the bill would have jeopardized about 10 percent of federal highway funds coming to Texas. Dutton's substitute, she said, complied with this federal law.Anyone like Rep. Elvira Reyna, R-Mesquite, who feared supporting the bill might look soft on crime to her constituents, should be much-comforted by the result: Once she explains that small-time pot smokers will receive a stiff fine and lose their driver's license, most folks will think that's plenty of punishment, particularly since her home county doesn't have space in the jail to incarcerate them right now, anyway. Hell, make me Philosopher King and I'd say that sounds like piling on. But bound by the constraints of federal law and slowly shifting attitudes among Texans about incarceration, Dutton's bill makes a lot of sense.As is common practice, the bill was left pending in committee and may be voted on any time.
http://gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.com/
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Comment #36 posted by Hope on March 16, 2005 at 06:11:30 PT
It passed out of committee!
http://gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.com/
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Comment #35 posted by Hope on March 15, 2005 at 22:07:14 PT
The last two paragraphs
"This is a tough subject because our generation, and the generation before us have been conditioned with misinformation about the gateway drug theory, long term effects of the drug, and how horrible it would be to live in a world where personal use by adults would collapse our culture. These are untrue claims or impressions, but they are long rooted in most of our psyches. And many Columbia families feel that they have the most to lose by changing this policy, they don't. Marijuana legalization means new industry and job growth, less congested prisons and courts, tax dollars saved not fighting it, and not punishing it, and more tax dollars gained by taxing its usage. From there we can give billions to police forces, first responders, better roads, and better schools. A better society waits beyond the wall created by marijuana prohibition. We deserve that society, if we can stomach freedom for others to do what we may not like." Unregistered Guy
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Comment #34 posted by Hope on March 15, 2005 at 21:58:03 PT
Extraordinarily Articulate
http://www.columbiapolice.org/forum/showthread.php?s=f255a8c93dd735afccf14ea4b66a4365&threadid=535the very last post by Unregistered Guy.I didn't know if I should post it here in it's entirety. It's not very long but is so well put it almost brings me to tears.
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Comment #33 posted by Hope on March 15, 2005 at 21:06:18 PT
Sam Adams
re:"Sam Adams, comment #18. That's just sickening. It probably has a lot to do with the way the cops in Columbia are acting. That's a shame."It's a matter of honor. Something we see in so few people these days...even our law enforcement. It was probably destroyed by how easy it is for people to lie these days...as in testilying, also. My husband's uncle was a truly honorable man. It seems so rare these days. It's time it came back in style. 
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Comment #32 posted by Hope on March 15, 2005 at 21:02:16 PT
Yes
The LEAP url is still there and someone has even started a thread called Law Enforcement Against Prohibition.It would be nice if any of them read any of the wonderful postings reformers have put there. They might lose that spidery aspect and turn into the really fine officers this country needs.I'm reminded now of my husband's uncle who was a famous lawman in this part of the country many years ago. He was liked and respected by everyone, even the people he had to arrest. I would bet money he never called anyone a MF. 
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Comment #31 posted by Hope on March 15, 2005 at 20:49:09 PT
Good Job, Sukoi
But I see an error in the posting of the C.S. Lewis quote, as I posted it here. If it's already posted there, it's hardly noticeable though. It should read: "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive... those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." C.S. LewisThe posting I have in the comment below reads "...may be the oppressive..." I failed to notice the "most" was missing.Thank you. Sam Adams, comment #18. That's just sickening. It probably has a lot to do with the way the cops in Columbia are acting. That's a shame. The closest thing I've felt to what that board feels like is when I once opened a window seat box and it had many black widow spiders in it. I slammed that lid. It's a feeling of severe arachnaphobia. It's sad that they probably won't read any of the good information they are receiving. I need to look in there again and see if they left the urls to LEAP.
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Comment #30 posted by FoM on March 15, 2005 at 19:30:31 PT
Something Groovy! LOL!
Songs Featured in Have a Nice Day:The '70s Musical Flashback!http://programs.chemeketa.edu/theater/hand/songs/
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Comment #29 posted by FoM on March 15, 2005 at 19:27:55 PT
Far Out! LOL!
Far Out! Groovy! I loved those words.
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Comment #28 posted by FoM on March 15, 2005 at 19:26:12 PT
runruff
Glad you liked it. I watched a PBS special called the 60s Generation and oh my was it good. So many musicians can still rock and roll. They showed lots of footage from the Summer of Love in San Francisco while Scott McKenzie 
sang If You're Going to San Francisco. What a wonderful time they had. 
 
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Comment #27 posted by runruff on March 15, 2005 at 19:14:43 PT:
Thanx FoM
For the Freak Bros. url. They are now my new wall paper.Right on,far out,groovy,heavy,Bitchin'. It's a turn on!LOLnamaste
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Comment #26 posted by Sukoi on March 15, 2005 at 17:47:58 PT
Hope
I'll be sure to put those quotes back where they belong!
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Comment #25 posted by Hope on March 15, 2005 at 17:14:49 PT
Sukoi
I salute you anyway!No word on HB254. Probably won't hear anything until tomorrow unless someone who was there posts something somewhere. I'll post anything about it as soon as I find something. I couldn't get the live stream at the leg site to work.The "spider box" over at the CPOA forum has the spiders sitting back in the corners and watching. They have removed so many threads and posts. They even removed the one that had quotes from Abraham Lincoln, C.S. Lewis, and Samuel Adams.Wonder what bothered them about seeing the quotes? Must have been obscene to them.As I recall these were some of them."A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded." Abraham Lincoln"Prohibition goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes." Abraham Lincoln"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the oppressive... those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." C.S. Lewis"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." Samuel AdamsThat's all I can remember for certain. They actually removed them and the entire thread called "Bad Behavior" where they were lighting torches to go after what they felt might be one of their own and a traitor to their prohibitionist ideals. I can recall several others that were not rude at all but are gone.How would ending prohibition make their jobs harder? I guess they wouldn't have as much fun "bustin heads" as they do now. 
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Comment #24 posted by Sukoi on March 15, 2005 at 16:44:32 PT
Hope
No need for a "salute", I'd have done it anyway!!! Any word on Texas HB 254?
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Comment #23 posted by Hope on March 15, 2005 at 16:06:20 PT
Sukoi
I salute you sir!
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Comment #22 posted by FoM on March 15, 2005 at 15:37:28 PT
afterburner
I thought you might appreciate this!http://www.freaknet.org.uk/graphics01/g11/FB01.jpg
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Comment #21 posted by afterburner on March 15, 2005 at 15:20:24 PT
RE Comment #18 posted by Hope 
Fascinating post! It reminds me of the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers episode wherein they make an anti-drug movie full of sex and violence and totally tongue-in-cheek. The protestations about insensitive activists, who were only defending our people against rabid prohibitionist attacks capitalizing on the deaths of 4 Mounties, also comes to mind.
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Comment #20 posted by Sukoi on March 15, 2005 at 14:59:30 PT
Hope
I guess that I am one or the other, take a look at the "Marijuana Myths" thread. Thanks for the tip!!!http://www.columbiapolice.org/forum/
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Comment #19 posted by Sam Adams on March 15, 2005 at 09:13:25 PT
the real issue
Of course, the real issue here has nothing to do with cannabis, or petitions. It's a much deeper socio-economic beef.At my college, the police were known as near-Nazi type enforcers. They would take any chance to beat you or harass you. I knew a couple friends who were basically smacked around, cuffed, and arrested for throwing a frisbie. The cops were clearly townie rednecks, full of hatred for the generally affluent, sometimes spoiled college kids who were going to go on and make tons of money, marry sexy women, etc.  Most of the college kids come from elsewhere, usually more affluent suburban towns far away from the state college town.It wasn't just the cops, all the rednecks around the college hated the academic community. I knew a female professor who was run off the road into a ditch and bruised after being directly run off the road by a couple rednecks in a pickup. She actually found them at a rest stop (her bike was totalled, someone picked her up), called the police, and they refused to do anything. She was shocked, she wanted to move away immediately. Another time, students were warned of a couple drunken townies who discovered a fascinating new pastime: they would pull over, and ask a helpful student for directions to something on campus. When the well-meaning student came over to the driver's window, they'd sucker-punch him and then drive away. It happened several times & then they were caught.I'm sure this same type of environment exists in Columbia, except it's probably far worse in the Midwest. In my hometown, the high school was similar. All the cops were among the very few (maybe 10%) of high school grads that did not go to college. They stayed in the town and harassed all the rich high school kids that were going to go on and become lawyers and doctors and excecutives. This is one area where we're very similar to the Soviet Union, the lower and middle-class thugs took over the political class and tried to exterminate all the intellectual professionals. The drug war is faciliting the same thing here, and, as the government continues to grow and grow, I fear that we'll eventually face a similar situation here. The political class (the Party) will have all the money, everyone else will be living in shanties.
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Comment #18 posted by Hope on March 15, 2005 at 05:26:35 PT
"Brave enough or stupid enough?"
I'd sort of like to be "brave enough or stupid enough" to post this article by Dean Becker to the CPOA forum. The spidery feeling is just overwhelming there. Just looking at their forum is like opening the lid on a box of spiders!http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v05/n443/a07.html?397
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Comment #17 posted by Hope on March 15, 2005 at 04:33:45 PT
The Spiders Are Allowing the Flies In For Tea
That's the creepy feeling I finally recognized at that forum. 
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Comment #16 posted by Hope on March 15, 2005 at 04:17:33 PT
Do not share your thoughts with the CPOA
I think it is a very bad idea for the impassioned antidrugwar zealot to share their thoughts at the CPOA forum.It's tantamount to Jewish people trying to explain freedom of religion or mercy to Hitler's SS.
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Comment #15 posted by FoM on March 14, 2005 at 21:23:43 PT
Nicholas
Thank you, NORML and Dan Viets. I believe that tiny steps are still steps and better then standing still. 
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Comment #14 posted by Hope on March 14, 2005 at 21:20:05 PT
Dan Viets
Indeed, Nick. He is a great leader, no doubt, and brave. I can't believe the police there are acting the way they are. It's disturbing, to say the least. 
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Comment #13 posted by Hope on March 14, 2005 at 21:17:13 PT
Siege
Oh my gosh! I never heard anything like that! Surely that was just a horrible rumor. 
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Comment #12 posted by Nick Thimmesch on March 14, 2005 at 21:15:21 PT:
Go...
...Dan Viets: sometimes anything is better than nothing & the old "Probation Before Verdict" -- PBI -- was once popular in Maryland before the onslaught of mandatory minimums. Kudoos to some progress thanks to NORML's Dan Viets.
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Comment #11 posted by siege on March 14, 2005 at 20:52:25 PT
Hope
well what every the person is, doze it really matter as long that he is against prohibition.what up sets me is what the LEO did at Rainbow Farms campground to a dead man. to cut off body parts off and get rid of them.. I wander just how many leo think that way. they have set the example, is this what we as citizens are to follow. 
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Comment #10 posted by Hope on March 14, 2005 at 20:03:41 PT
Sorry, Siege
Obviously I haven't overcome my greatest spelling fault...i before e...or e before i. 
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Comment #9 posted by Hope on March 14, 2005 at 20:01:50 PT
Seige
Check the "bad behavior" thread. They are saying Citizen Joe is either a disgruntled officer or city worker and he's making life harder for them.Poor Citizen Joe. They aren't happy with him.I'd been told it was true, but this is proof. If you are a LEO and you have doubts about the value of prohibition, you better keep it well hidden. Sheriff Bill Master's does, but I guess he can, since he's an elected official and keeps getting elected.This prohibition business is just a sticky mess that won't turn loose without some kind of miracle cleaner.
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Comment #8 posted by Hope on March 14, 2005 at 19:23:28 PT
Siege
I guess I'll go back and look again. It's reeking of folks who love prohibition and caging people for cannabis and liking it. It feels like being in a porno den or something with a bunch of perverts. But I guess I should look in again in an effort to see what sort of people we are up against. Heck, I know what kind of people we are up against. People who would kill or cage a person to keep him from having cannabis. They truly seem like conscienceless monsters. I keep thinking about that young man I saw so horribly mistreated on that Cops program years ago for using marijuana. The only way I can look at that forum again is knowing that some people like you might be there.
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Comment #7 posted by siege on March 14, 2005 at 18:57:49 PT
Hope
he is an Editor from what I read in one first post.
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Comment #6 posted by Hope on March 14, 2005 at 18:45:05 PT
Citizen Joe
is apparently a police officer in their area who they are exposing, ridiculing and are lighting torches to go after him.They've already posted his IP address. As far as their rights as citizens...it doesn't go so far as to allow one of their own to be for the new law or against prohibition. They're showing themselves to be what they are. They make my skin crawl.
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Comment #5 posted by global_warming on March 14, 2005 at 14:34:14 PT
re:Citizen Joe
I have to wonder who this "Citizen Joe" person really is, for on this CPOA site he has left them chiggers with a lot to contemplate.Keep up the good work "Joe", and God Bless You,gw
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Comment #4 posted by Prime on March 14, 2005 at 12:34:54 PT
Share your thoughts with the CPOA...
They have a public message board.I think they need to hear from us.http://www.columbiapolice.org/forum/
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Comment #3 posted by runruff on March 14, 2005 at 11:38:53 PT:
LEOs'
It was about 12 yeaars ago at a grow site where a good friend of mine had gotten busted. The Leos were taking in their haul when either a friend of mine or myself was telling a young cop what a waste of police effort busting our good friend was. He said "If you don't like the law, change it." His voice and demeanor said there ain't nuthin' you can do about it. At that moment I never felt so determined to do anything more in my life than to change these draconion laws. It was common knowlege in our little comunity that the cops were clipping the buds and publicly burning the leaves and stems for the tv and newspaper cameras. Some cops had their own pot gardens and it was latter proven that the local D.A. Tim Thompson was also a grower."If you don't like the law, change it".Well I haterd the law and the way it was being enforced.
This was In the very middle of the worst part of the drug war during the first Bush reign. Our community looked like a war zone. Like a third world country. I tell you these Bushs' are anti American and dangerous to our freedoms.
Anyway, I told my partner "we gotta do somthing"! I said this is the dawn of the information age. We have got to show others that we have power in the truth and technology.
So we made the first pro-pot video during the height of the drug war. More to try to start a trend than anything. We booked ourselves on any venue that would have us. Radio, TV, Public TV, rallies, concerts. Anything, anywhere.
As much as I can I'm still at it and I won't stop utill that cop eats his words.Power to the people.Namaste. 
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Comment #2 posted by afterburner on March 14, 2005 at 09:22:55 PT
''We Don't Make Laws, We Only Enforce Them''
As usual the authorities are overly complicating a simple issue, by introducing this one-year rule. Then, they complain about overwork, and threaten to go door-to-door petitioning to *change* the law. If they show up at your door, JUST SAY NO!
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Comment #1 posted by The GCW on March 14, 2005 at 07:44:30 PT
Fools. Ships and ships of them.
Don't underestimate Us.We really don't want to be persecuted anymore.Take Us for granted?We don't want You to harm Us; and We are serious.THCUJust like there is good fat and bad fat;There is good smoke and bad smoke.
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