Canadian Court Rules Kubby Not Fugitive

  Canadian Court Rules Kubby Not Fugitive

Posted by CN Staff on May 19, 2002 at 10:50:59 PT
For Immediate Release 
Source: Kubby Files 

Vancouver -- Former gubernatorial candidate Steve Kubby was cleared on Friday of any violations of Canadian Immigration law. Canadian Federal Court Adjudicator D. Shaw Dyck found that Kubby had entered Canada legally. Adjudicator Dyck also ruled that because of alleged political persecution in the United States, Kubby was eligible to apply for Canadian citizenship as a U.N. Convention political refugee.
The refugee appeal process is expected to take at least a year and could take a lot longer, as has been the case with Renee Boje, who has been waiting several years for a final decision on her political refugee status.Adjudicator Dyke also ruled that since Kubby was not a fugitive, he no longer has to report weekly to Immigration and can now report monthly instead.Dyke noted that possession of peyote is legal under Canadian law, so Kubby's U.S. conviction for peyote possession has no legal standing in Canada. The adjudicator also noted Kubby "has been completely honest and up front with Canadian Immigration and in view of his public statements and permission from the Placer court to move to Canada, is hardly a fugitive."Dyck noted that possession of live mushrooms is legal and only the dried form is illegal, in Canada. She also acknowledged that possession of a small amount of dried mushroom would probably not be prosecuted in Canada. However, since Kubby was convicted in the U.S. of something that was technically illegal in Canada, she was required to declare Kubby inadmissible until the sentence for the mushroom stem had been served.The prosecution for the Canadian Immigration Service then argued that Kubby should be immediately deported to face his U.S. sentence of 120 days. He argued that Placer Judge John Cosgrove had gone out of his way to be compassionate to Kubby, even providing written orders that Kubby be allowed to be protected by the Compassionate Use Act while under house arrest and probation.Kubby's immigration attorney, Alex Stojicevic, responded that although the US court recognized Kubby's right to possess and use medical marijuana, local and federal law enforcement blocked any access to it. Stojicevic argued that Kubby was not allowed to grow any of his own medical marijuana forcing him and others to buy and transport the medicine to his home. Since the courts have ruled that transportation is not covered under the Compassionate Use Act, Kubby was physically and legally unable to comply with his sentence.Stojicevic also explained to the Canadian judge that there was ample scientific and medical evidence to show that Kubby would die if denied his medical marijuana for more than a few days -- "so despite the trivial nature of his conviction, he faces death if he returns to the U.S.""Mr. Kubby is a member of a particular social group or political opinion who are being persecuted in the United States. As such he is entitled to apply as a political refugee under the UN Convention, which is recognized by Canada." said Stojicevic.Adjudicator Dyck then ruled that Kubby met the qualifications and was qualified to apply along with his family for Canadian citizenship.Kubby joins three other Americans who have officially applied for political refugee status in Canada: Ken Hayes, Steve Tuck and Renee Boje."Once again my husband was jailed and nearly killed over charges that proved groundless. A Canadian court has confirmed that Steve is not a fugitive and I think the Canadian police and courts now recognize that they were lied to by Placer County officials," said Michele Kubby.Contact: Steve Kubby -- 604-885-7651Alex Stojicevic -- 604-662-8200Source: The Kubby FilesRelease Date: May 18, 2002Website: Articles & Web Site:Canadian Links Laws on Medical Pot Draw Americans to Canada Activist Held for Three Days in Canada Men Face Hearing in Canada

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Comment #58 posted by FoM on May 21, 2002 at 09:29:33 PT
Yes I think June 6th is right. I am very worried about what they could try to do to other cannabis clubs. I don't barely watch the news anymore on tv. It is so out there and not important to the general well being of us that I can't handle it. I'm very happy for the Kubbys. They've fought strong and hard and it's great news when you see someone's efforts pay off. What is happening in the catholic church scares me. I mean that. The church will fall. ( I think I can say that because I was raised catholic) I can't understand why the church let this happen. When morality issues are raised about people who consume an herb and they slap the hands of pedophiles I just don't get it. 
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Comment #57 posted by lookinside on May 21, 2002 at 09:14:13 PT:
Good News!.............and a warning.....
Excellent thread. I hope Steve Kubby is able to find some peace now. He deserves it.The rancor present in some of the earlier posts should tell us something. We have a common cause. We don't all have to agree about everything. We need only agree on one issue. Fear and dissention have done more to harm our cause than any other factor. If we had stuck by our guns and demonstrated, en masse, in the 70's this war might already have been won. Instead, after Viet Nam ended, most of us went on with our lives. We were busy raising a family and achieving stability. The anti's never let up. Now they are more entrenched than ever. We can win, but unity of purpose is a must.If I recall correctly(FoM, help me here) Judge Breyer will give his final ruling on Cannabis Clubs' right to distribute medicine on June 6th(?). I think the DEA will be closing every known club in California and elsewhere, within the week. There may be mass arrests of those who own, or participate in these Compassionate Facilities.
Many clubs are closing their doors now, to avoid a direct confrontation.If you are a patient relying on these clubs for medicine, do your homework now. There will be those who will go underground to provide for your needs. It may be too late after 6/6.
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Comment #56 posted by 2Spooky on May 21, 2002 at 07:06:27 PT
awsome links
Thanks, Nuevo Mexican for posting all those links.
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Comment #55 posted by Hope on May 20, 2002 at 23:46:37 PT
This is truly wonderful news!
Congratulations to the Kubbys and all who care about them...including us! Thank you, God!Thank you, Canada!And thank you Kaptinemo for "This smacks Uncle right across the snout." What you said sounds so right, Kap. I love this nation, it's land, and it's people but I despise what the antis have done to it and all it should be. Uncle's "snout" was put there by the antis. Down with that damned snout on his precious old face and up with what the face of freedom and liberty for all should look like. We should never have to run to Canada to be free. But thank you, Mother Canada for being there to take in those forced to do so. Thank you!
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Comment #54 posted by freedom fighter on May 20, 2002 at 16:42:01 PT
If only would the U.S media would
please publish this bombshell!!! This is a good news.. Something the antis would not want it be known..KUBBY IS A FREE MAN!ff
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Comment #53 posted by idbsne1 on May 20, 2002 at 14:04:34 PT
Woohoo!!!... the fix is in.....
Apparently, like Ken Hayes and Steven Tuck... the fix was in... the Canadian Government wasn't going to send them back!!! Congrats Steve!!! Congrats Canada!!! For standing up to the corrupt, bullying US Government!!!!It's funny, but watching the last episode of the X-files, and seeing them talk about the Syndicate and how certain members of our Government do not want the truth to come out.....sounds very much like our cause...I hope they come to the understanding that Fox was trying to get across...You can't stop the truth....LONG LIVE CANADA!!!!idbsne1PS... the new RUSH album rocks!!!!! Again, Canada is rocking my world.....:)
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Comment #52 posted by Sam Adams on May 20, 2002 at 12:51:03 PT
Congratulations, Kubbys!
It's about time we had some good news! There IS a government that is not COMPLETELY corrupt! That cool clear air up there must be affecting Canada's judges. This is a great boost to the momentum of this issue.I guarantee you the Placer county folks are running to the feds right now, crying for mommy. But what's the response going to be? Do Bush & Asscroft want to appear in the media as starting a trade war with Canada over this case? On the medical marijuana issue? It would be real bad PR for them.  Remember, lack of public attention is the No. 1 reason the WOD continues. Making a big stink over Steve Kubby or Rene Bojee is going to be very difficult for the Bush administration. It will put very likeable human faces on this issue.
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Comment #51 posted by Nuevo Mexican on May 20, 2002 at 12:49:17 PT
Look a little further and you find.....
THIS: Why did the WTC collapse? at it this way: I've seen the war on drug (cannabis) collapse in the last two years as C-news and others have become aggressive defenders of the Constitution. Well, our job doesn't stop there, we have to take it all the way! Cannabis prohibition will continue under this regime, as long as money is to be made. Until this regime is un-installed, we have to be aggressive in our efforts to disseminate the information that you won't see in the mainstream press, although it seems the damn has a huge leak these days and it only going to get bigger. Thanks to all here who are way ahead of me in doing the work at hand!
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Comment #50 posted by schmeff on May 20, 2002 at 11:55:02 PT
Nancy said...
...Please do not subject us to your anti-Semitic propaganda about 9/11. It truly disgusts me.Nancy, you are entitled and welcome to your opinions. But I would like to point out that were I to try and shield myself from every bit of information that truly disgusted me, I would be a complete idiot.Instead of the idiot-in-training that marks my current progress in the world.
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Comment #49 posted by bongathon on May 20, 2002 at 11:54:31 PT:
It is delightful to hear that Steve Kubby is considered a political refugee. Freedom of choice regarding what plants to eat, smoke or drink should not be prohibited. Canada is forward thinking enough to see this.
Racism created prohibition, but lets not get so sensitive that everything is racist or anti-semitic. It is clear that the middle east has been in war between the two religions for a thousand years but which side is NOT a terrorist. I don't like racism or anti-semitism but BOTH sides should look at what their leaders are doing AND question them.
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Comment #48 posted by kaptinemo on May 20, 2002 at 10:48:07 PT:
Floyd's quite right
It's been mentioned here and elsewhere, that the anti-US (as opposed to anti-Americanism; there's a big difference) feeling in Canada is bound to have some spill-over or spin-off effects. This may well have been one of them.But also think that it may very well be the gathering groundswell of a phase of activity on the part of Canadians culminating in their Supreme Court re-legalizing to spite Washington.That's not as far-fetched as it seems; the troubles the Canadians have been having with the US playing hardball concerning the hardwoods trade matter was just a cooker set at boil for too long. Yet the incident has not made a single blip on the radar screens of most Americans living beyond the border.But this one issue will. This smacks Uncle right across the snout. No dodging this...especially when Walters is supposed to be in Quebec shortly, to give the Canux a stern scolding for even thinking about the (for antis) unthinkable of re-legalizing. No getting around no dodging the Court's claim that the Kubby's warrant refuge status. This is a stinging blow to the US Department of (ha-ha) 'Justice'. They had hoped to make such political capital out of capturing the Kubbys. They wanted to hold their sad incarcerated selves up to others and say, "They defied us, and we ground them to dust and killed one of them legally...just like we did with McWilliams. Speak up, and you'll get yours."(Does anyone here doubt for a moment, given the Kubbys visibility and vulnerability, that the thought hadn't crossed the minds of the Fed scum who had done it before? To let Steve Kubby die in a holding cell?)Instead, they are left with empty hands and boiling blood pressures. And cannabis consumers have been granted political asylum!I am too old and cynical ever to think we'll win hands down; the politicized human-trash-in-Brookes-Brothers-suits who run our so-called legal system will always find a way to leave their mark on you. But this is the best news we've had in a long time, and bodes well for all those considering the possible (inevitable for some of us, I sadly say) need to relocate. As many Americans said some 23 years ago when the Canadian embassy in Tehran harbored US citizens - at enormous threat to their own safety - I say again: Merci!//Thank you Canada!
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Comment #47 posted by Nuevo Mexican on May 20, 2002 at 10:26:39 PT
More research for those unafraid to look...
Most posters here seem to understand where i'm coming from and appear to be coming from the same place as I, a sceptic of anything our 'unelected coup' puts out for public consuption. It is early Monday, and the press is spinning the story as 'not that big of deal', (it's the story of the MILLENIUM, that's all) and it's only been 4 days since the bombshell landed in the medias' lap. Watch the cover stories for bush to proliferate, the apologists' rush soothe the open wounds for the victims families, (who are not going to go quietly into the woodwork as some would hope). i've seen the world change since coming to C-news 2 years ago, as we have been doing the work that was left undone before that (disseminating anti- and pro cannabis positions to highlight the insanity of prohibition) and it has paid off. But Context is everything, and bush and company are the vested interests that keep Cannabis the right wings' favorite choice for demonization. Forget Racism, Rape, Murder, War, Aids, poverty etc. Those 'industries' keep the ole boy network operating at full speed. Now we have found a chink in the ole' boys armor, we better hammer away, or we will only have ourselves to blame. The way to end prohibition is to bring this administration down immediately or suffer the effects of martial law and continued brainwashing of the masses through the televised media. The time is now, let's get off our butts and MOVE! Let's REALLY roll! From The Chameleons, Singing Rule Britannia (While the walls close in) from the album, What does anything mean? BasicallySo i'll stand in line, three million desperadoes
There's hope for me but for some the story's different
they'll stand in line, They'll bide their time
Waiting for a sign, Counting out the time
Clever, clever creatures, death in your kiss
Playing with the future in innocent bliss
What a suffocating state to be, 
but what a fascicating thing to seeRead at the risk of destroying any preconceived notions you might have about bush family innocence in this death worshipping, lie through the teeth, play all side against each other 'cult' that threatens the worlds' very existence.Burning Questions - need Answers In Curious Battle: An Expert Recants on why WTC collapsed Condoleeza Rice and Chevron Cheney Led Halliburton To Feast At Federal Trough UNOCAL v.p. John Maresca, February 12, 1998 The Emperor's New Clothes--Articles on 9.11 Flight of the Bumble Planes New Chief of Secret Political Police (Robert Swan Mueller III took over as FBI chief two weeks before 9.11) Michael Ruppert--From The Wilderness Publications Khalilzad (new US-Afghan envoy) Sherman Skolnick's Report What Really Happened Patrick Martin on WSWS--Part 1 on foreknowledge Pipeline Dreams and Schemes Pipelineistan Route To Riches,1361,579401,00.html and these good overviews: Thierry Meyssan on 9.11 Steve Grey's IMC article on September 11 collusion Patrick Martin on WSWS--invasion plans pre-9.11 Narco News Publishes Sgt. Stan Goff Jim Marrs overview of the war on terrorism questions, questions . . . United Flight 93 Crash page Venice, Florida what did the US know and when What Did They Know What Hit The Pentagon World Trade Center Demolition and the So-Called War on Terrorism 911-Strike 
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Comment #46 posted by Floyd on May 20, 2002 at 09:29:15 PT:
Wha hoo, Kubby!!!
 This is awesome news guys, I am so happy for him and his family.
 Trusting that things dont drastically change for the worse, I think this is a good indication that our legal system is ready to represent what us Canadians think in general about the American drug war, as opposed to what the American government thinks about it.
 I agree with FoM, this is possibly the most intense thread I have read on the site. I just hope that everyones passion for the subject(s) at hand can be put to a productive use, not harmful.
 I also think we should all make our support of the courts' decisions of late known as vocally as we feel comfortable. Encouragement at this point could make a big difference. =)       Peace 
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Comment #45 posted by el_toonces on May 20, 2002 at 08:26:50 PT:
Human Rights Impact....
When I read a piece like this recognizing that civilized governments consider people serving sentences based on the type of thing Kubby for which supposedly belongs in the nick to be "refugees", I become a very ashamed American. I don't often feel that way about this country -- despite all its ills -- because there are so many good things about the U.S. The last time I felt this ashamed of my own country was decades ago in the 1970's when even mainstream conservatives like my now 73 old mother decided she would send her three sons to Canada before she would let us be drafted. When more middle class people start to see the WoSD this way, perhaps because they must undertake a second mortgage to pay the college tuition of their kid who got the "MJ ticket" years ago, the free mileage politicians get out of being "tough on drugs" will be mileage in REVERSE! Viva siempre los idiotaes tal como Mark Souder!
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Comment #44 posted by 2Spooky on May 20, 2002 at 07:54:23 PT
Anyone with any brains immediately recognized that 9/11 was just too pat of an opportunity for an illegitemate president to take over the country.I was thinking that the first time I saw the video..."How did that JackAss DO that???"As to the Jews, Palestinians, Muslims and all the rest....Keep your damn religions to yourself. Religion and government exist for the same control people.
I say let them all kill each other and just stay the hell out of it.Is that "anti-semetic"? (i.e. the old "if you aren't with me you are against me" fallacy)The US has killed hundreds of thousands of innocents and run roughshod over the soverign rights of other countries for decades, 9/11 is no surprise and was way overdue.I am sorry, but with gross overpopulation of the planet, 3000 people is just about nothing. People as individuals may have some meaning (good or bad), but as raw numbers or "the masses" they are pretty much worthless and/or detrimental to the planet.This crap about reimbursing the survivors and the families of the victims really pisses me off, too. Why the hell should taxpayers give them jack shit? Bet all those rich folks had great policies. They should get the exact same benefits as people subject to any regular disaster.Say, whatever happened with the Kubby appeal legal issue? Did they appeal the judge's claim that he had no right to fight the prosecutor's appeal of his mushroom conviction reduction from a felony to a misdemeanor???
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Comment #43 posted by FoM on May 20, 2002 at 07:08:17 PT
You should be proud to be a Canadian. Your country is what our country is suppose to be! I've said it before and will say it again.Long Live Free Canada! God Bless You All!Please remember we had no control of where we were born.
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Comment #42 posted by hempcanadian on May 20, 2002 at 06:58:26 PT:
Damn I'm proud to be a Canadian!
This Canada still has a virgin freedom quality to it.
I'm so glad the Kubby's have found a new home here.
Welcome all political cannabis refugees!
In honour of all those who died in 911 I wrote a song.
Called 911
Here are the lyrics
Hey if Neil Young can do it so can I
it goes like this:9/11/01I really feel like cryin
Cryin over you
So many people dyin
Saved only a fewWe watched the towers crumble
Floor by floor dissolve
We all knew there'd be trouble
but never this resolve(chorus)
I would have died for you
I would have picked up a gun and killed someone for you
I would have cried for you
I would have cracked my face and shed a tear or twoThe smoke had'nt even lifted
When the second plane came into view
Maybe their course had shifted
But it crashed like the first one tooAll we saw was debris falling
And the flames shoot to the sky
We all heard God's name calling
And we stood and wondered why
I would have died for you
I would have picked up a gun and killed someone for you
I would have cried for you
I would have cracked my face and shed a tear or two-ou....Someone had to pay the price
Their gone but it would be nice
If I had the time to spend with youLife's a bitch cause their never coming back
From a deadly terrorist attack
A little luck and I could have been there too-ou..........I would have died for you
I would have picked up a gun and killed someone for you
I would have cried for you
I would have cracked my face and shed a tear or twoI would have died for you
I would have picked up a gun and killed someone for you
I would have cried for you
I would have cracked my face and shed a tear or two
I would have died for you
I would have picked up a gun and killed someone for you
it's true......
(c)2002 Stephen John S.O.C.A.N
The Hemp Canadian
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Comment #41 posted by kaptinemo on May 20, 2002 at 05:27:23 PT:
Considering ALL the sources
With regards to the above article: the Good Guys finally won one! As for the rancor that been expressed here: look folks, information (as we all know far too well) can be slanted by those with ulterior motives to do so. We experience this every day. (The vast majority of the articles posted here are written by antis. All you usually have to do on reaching the home page is just look at the number of responses to any given article to determine if feathers have been ruffled.)I trust that the people who read here every day have come here precisely because they are fed up with predigested media pap and come looking for raw, uncensored all it's flavors. Some of them can be awfully bitter. So I also trust that those who come here have fully-functional BS detectors engaged. Information is not purely the domain of the angels; sometimes some very unsavory people can have a tiny shred of the puzzle. A vital shred. So I'll read what they have to say - with BS detector engaged with the squelch off to hear the first squawk of nonsense - and judge it based upon my own experiences. As, I suspect, do we all.But I've spent too many years of my life being ordered about by people who didn't know what the bloody flippin' Hell they were doing...and they based their idiocy on somebody elses' ideology...which didn't brook questioning as to means and motives. Lest it be discovered as a self-serving pyramid scheme of some sort designed to both sucker you and cheat you. So, to avoid the usual traps, I'll read almost anything from anywhere...even US government websites.How else can we determine the truth in any situation? Posting a link to a site that may or may not be 'legit' in the eyes of the reader is just one more proof that those here cannot be easily hoodwinked, and that their desire for facts will lead them to strange places. (The truth behind the forces and personages behind the US prohibition of cannabis alone is indeed stanger than any speculative or science fiction story could ever be...yet the facts are inarguable.)To try to close off a source by attempting to de-legitimize it based upon a public denunciation of the origin is the same kind of game antis play. I prefer to let the readers decide...
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Comment #40 posted by BGreen on May 20, 2002 at 05:25:37 PT
Meanwhile, back in the States
The morning "news" shows are informing us that the Amerikan people aren't falling for this second guessing, and that "we" think there's no way any president would know about it and let it happen.Fools.
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Comment #39 posted by mayan on May 20, 2002 at 05:20:19 PT
More Truth...
Bush knew of terrorist plot to hijack US planes:,11209,718312,00.html
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Comment #38 posted by mayan on May 20, 2002 at 05:10:39 PT
Love & Truth...
...will set us free! Fresh September 11 revelations rock Bush:;$sessionid$3CEWCPYAAB0JNQFIQMFCFFOAVCBQYIV0?xml=/news/2002/05/19/wbush19.xml&sSheet=/news/2002/05/19/ixnewstop.html
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Comment #37 posted by qqqq on May 20, 2002 at 02:49:10 PT
...this just in!...
..from the office of American Constitutional Security!.... Aparently BGreen is right,,intelligence sources have revealed that there will be more attacks on Cannabis clubs,,,,and more terrorist activity is expected to further damage the Constitution!..These terrorist organizations lurk deep within the shadows of the aware! ..these terrorist organizations make Osama bin Laden look like Eddie Haskell,,they make Al-quieda look like a cub scout troop...There are extremely well funded,,,and they have secured support by controlling the national media through their collusion with corporate entities.
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Comment #36 posted by BGreen on May 20, 2002 at 02:24:10 PT
Heeerrrrreee, Johnny, Johnny, Johnny
Anybody notice a conspicuous silence coming from squinty boy? Ashcroft picked an interesting time to shut up. I wonder if more Cannabis Club busts are in the works, perpetrated as some weak diversionary tactic?
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Comment #35 posted by BGreen on May 20, 2002 at 02:15:30 PT
Those of us in the USA have so far been powerless to stop the evil. Don't you know we put our heads on the chopping block every day? If you think you've been oppressed by the Amerikan gestapo, I invite you to come to Missouri and see what oppression is really like.This isn't a war pitting Country against Country, it's a battle of good against evil, right against wrong. We're all one race, the human race, and the only reason I'm an American is because I was born here. Please accept my apologies for anything I've personally done, and then help us ... please!
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Comment #34 posted by dddd on May 20, 2002 at 01:22:31 PT
..I can recognize why you may have been offended by the apparently careless "anti-Semitic propaganda" posts,, ,and I can understand how you might be quite sensitive to such things,,,BUT,,I dont think anyone here purposely attempts to slander Jewish people...I think that any time people stereoetype a group into ethnic,religious, or other labels,,it is wrong....I have many Jewish friends,and I love Jewish people,,but I also know,that there are alot of assholes out there who happen to be Jewish....There's alot of assholes who are alot like me... .. I dont think anyone here is out to trash Jewish people.I think that the people here are mostly good and nice,,and I hope you will realize that there is no reason for you to be offended by what you saw as an anti-Semitic link,or comment. .. ...Please continue to speak your mind...and try to not be quite so sensitive.....
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Comment #33 posted by hempity on May 20, 2002 at 01:05:08 PT
Dance and Celebrate
I am glad that you respect Canadians, guess I am sorry I don’t respect Americans, Israelies or Canadians, I think they may well be the bane of the planet, I respect individuals, like FoM. All my life we have been under the threat of the American war/drug machine, we have witnessed it in action in over a hundred countries in just my short life span, now with the help of the internet we can dispel some of the ignorance about what is really happening. This whole war on terrorism is the same as the war on drugs, it is all bull, and it will only stop when the people of the countries STOP paying the governments to do it, when they quit peeing in bottles or bending over to be searched and stand up, regardless of repercussions. I am not name calling, however a put down is certainly in order, the country that claims to the world, to be so free, is now a first class “police state” complete with their own Gestapo, named “Office of Homeland Security”. Still, with all this going on they think to dictate to the world how to be free. 
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Comment #32 posted by Zero_G on May 20, 2002 at 00:47:33 PT
Oh, and
Here's a BIG salute to the Canadians.0g
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Comment #31 posted by Zero_G on May 20, 2002 at 00:40:11 PT
A deep breath...
I've been pretty quiet here of late. I had felt that some of my comments on the economic/human rights debate, especially a dialogue with E_J, (E_J, I loved your comments on Fred Hampton) had created a diversion from the issue at hand.The last thing I had intended.And besides, most of my viewpoints have been well represented in my absence. Someone even included a founding fathers quote...But, I thought I could help smooth some feathers here. I hope so anyway. While I am not an observant Jew, I grew up in NYC, Jewish with a very Jewish name. This became apparent to me recently travelling to the Islamic Republics of Tajilistan and Afghanistan on an American passport. Sometimes it matters not how you define yourself, but rather, how others define you.Anyway, 9/11 was a shocking event, moreso now, as we begin to get news in the mainstream media about foreknowledge by, at the very least, agents in the FBI, who did their utmost to warn higher ups.The alternitive press and internet have raised even more shocking allegations. Evaluating the differing allegations is a duanting tast. I have my thoughts, none of which reach 100% certainty, but,I would recommend Greg Palast's work to anyone. His track record is exemplary. He was talking about Enron two years ago, and he was the first to, my knowledge at least, say that Hugo Chavez of Venezuela had not resigned.http://www.gregpalast.comIn our search for truth about 9/11, let us not forget the common bond that links us. For me, this is a search for a common justice that applies to all, that is just in the first place.For myself, 9/11 aside, I cannot condone Isreal's recent actions in the West Bank and Gaza, and the settlements are a continuing obstacle to peace, but, I think the record will show, *eventually, that there were warnings from Israeli intelligence prior to the event.*see the work of Mike Ruppert http://www.copvcia.comShalom Aleichem, Salaam Alakim0g
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Comment #30 posted by Nuevo Mexican on May 20, 2002 at 00:34:35 PT
Let's roll! Articles to read and distribute widely
No kidding folks, the biggest scandal to ever happen in our lives has already taken place, the 911 Deception, and this is huge! Events will lead to cannabis legalization in a very short time. (Don't pay attention to that man behind the curtain!)
As cannabis clubs are closed by the Feds against state and federal laws, and an illegally 'declared pResident threaten the world with certain extinction, there is still reason for hope!
The truth is being revealed about our government! Finally!
(In drips and drabs....)
 Thanks all for explaining my point to Nancy, and Nancy, i'm sorry to appear insensitive to your feelings about 911, and possible Israeli links to the bush administration and the WTC bombing. Please read this weeks Newsweek cover story 'what did bush know'. The lid is blowing off this crime of the millenium and it's time for every cannabis fan to bone up on whats really happening, regardless of our religious or spiritual background. Here are more links to all the published articles exposing the lies we are fed daily, openly, brazenly, unabashedly, 24/7 until it becomes the truth. Cannabis News has brought me into contact with the greatest minds on the subject and posters here have led me to many great sites full of excellent and insightful information.
 Cannabis is the number one enemy of the state and this soon to resign administration will remove the biggest obstacle from our paths. OIl, war machinery, racism, greed fuel this power grab, but love will conquer all! Get Ready!Mainstream press articles shredding chimpboy myths! New Pearl Harbor? Palast: bush, saudi, enron, argentin connection Ruppert exposure of mediawhores for bush call for independent investigation of 911
article_id=181266&group=webcastSherman Skolnick: Americas' Reichstag Fire
plus detailed questions for consideration, very long and detailed, thought provoking and convincing
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Comment #29 posted by E_Johnson on May 19, 2002 at 23:49:21 PT
Oppression duress
It's harsh all around to be sure but we can't be consumed by the negativity of the situation. Let me quote from the only Clinton I still believe in, which is George:I have tasted the maggots in the mind of the universe
but I was not offended
For I knew I had to rise above it all
Or drown in my own shit.
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Comment #28 posted by BGreen on May 19, 2002 at 23:04:48 PT

Please don't think we're a bunch of bigots. Some might label me anti-semitic because I'm a Christian, but I don't think that's your view of me.If the Israeli gov't does something wrong we don't blame the Jewish people. We're used to our gov't lying to us, so we really don't trust them, and I pray the rest of the world doesn't hate me because of those in power.This is the first time I've ever heard cries of racism in this e-group. I understand why you might be defensive, as I am, about people unjustly hating us, but to ignore the fact that power corrupts some, even Jewish people, could leave you open to a lot of pain.Peace be with you,Bud
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Comment #23 posted by FoM on May 19, 2002 at 22:44:25 PT

Nuevo Mexican 
I finally read the articles. I see why it could be upsetting. I don't know what is true or not. I don't think it is but that's as far as I will commit saying.Truth is what we want. A couple times I haven't posted an article on C News because I knew it was so wrong that I didn't bother. I post anti articles but I consider that truth from their point of view not mine. I don't know but I will pay attention and see if this surfaces with details that will make sense to me. I don't understand it very well. I have trouble understanding some news articles. They often go right over the top of my head.
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Comment #22 posted by FoM on May 19, 2002 at 22:08:16 PT

About The Kubby's Article
Hi Everyone,This thread has been one of the most different yet powerful threads I've seen. I'm not sure why this particular press release set this off but it did. I sense such anger and frustration in some of the comments and that's not being judgmental just observant. I can't speak for others but I can speak for myself. We are a community of people with different religious backgrounds, different ages, different sexes and sexual preferences. We have a common denominator. We want the laws changed on Cannabis. That is our unifying issue. I know I don't have the answers to the worlds problems and probably never will but that won't stop me from trying to find the answers. I hope everyone thinks when they speak. Once angry words are spoken they can't be taken back. People don't forget what people type on a computer and they read it. We are adults and we can achieve peace in the drug war if we don't destroy ourselves with issues that really are way out of our reach and also remember that having the Internet is what has brought us together and we learn from using it. We can't let it be the thing that tears us apart or then what is the Internet but a big money maker for big companies. Just my 2 cents.
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Comment #20 posted by Nancy on May 19, 2002 at 21:43:11 PT:

I have a great deal of respect for the Canadians and their cannabis activism. I am deeply disappointed at hempity's response to me. I stated my opinion about the article and I stand by it. If you wish to engage in name calling and putdowns, that is a reflection on you not me. This will be my last post on this subject. 
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Comment #19 posted by FoM on May 19, 2002 at 21:38:28 PT

Hi Hempity, You don't sound very happy these days. I'm on your side and everyone on C News is too. We are working hard to make sure the world knows what is going on. What more can we do? It's very hard to live free now.
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Comment #18 posted by hempity on May 19, 2002 at 21:27:22 PT

Oh Canada
The article is in Canadian media also, we must get totality different news up here, your president and your best buddy in Israel helped pull off and cover up the world trade fiasco or fire works show. How better to solicit the empathy of the ignorant among you, the governments just found you a common enemy to hate.
Now you think to tell Canuks what to do and how to do it, won’t happen, you just aren’t that bloody tough.
You yanks need to stand up and quit pissing in bottles, better to starve then play in peepee.
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Comment #17 posted by Nancy on May 19, 2002 at 20:39:03 PT:

Nuevo Mexican redux
I take offense at your characterization of me. I am certainly NO defender of Bush or his policies. You (Nueva Mexican) posted a link to an article that was deliberately published in the Arab media as a propaganda tool to foment hate against Jews and Israel. To take this out of context and spin this into Cannabis activism is exploitative and hurtful to those who experienced the World Trade Center disaster firsthand. I watched the Towers burn and fall. I lost business colleagues and friends. One of the firefighters who lost his life was a strong supporter of the cannabis legalization movement in NYC. Many of us in NYC still deeply mourn his loss. I do not need a lecture about the injustice of the DEA against medical marijuana patients and lack of freedom in the US, I am well aware of what is going on.
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Comment #16 posted by FoM on May 19, 2002 at 19:39:00 PT

Nuevo Mexican 
I just received an email from Nancy. I asked her to post her feelings. I told her that reason usually wins out here. Without violating her email she lives in NYC and it's very hard for her. Hopefully she will post again.
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Comment #15 posted by Nuevo Mexican on May 19, 2002 at 19:21:52 PT

Nancy,Consider what the article is saying...
How does this relate to Cannabis re-legalization? In every way! If our freedom-loving, gun-toting government supports terrorism, arms friendly militaries, guts treaties, lies to the people daily through the media, etc. etc. then what is going to make them respect sick and dying medical marijuana patients? What will make them give up the trojan horse of Prohibition that is just a disguise for facsist, nazi-like propaganda backed up with SS type actions. (SWAt teams in black, no id, no accountability). When we are a free country again, we will have legal cannabis, until then, you are truly a prisoner, if you think you are free in America!

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Comment #14 posted by The GCW on May 19, 2002 at 18:48:28 PT

This is about cannabis activism, and Bush is not just a bad apple toward those who accept Our Father’s plant cannabis. He is bad toward Our Father on many facets. He is bad for Truth, yet worse is that Truth is bad for him.  His bad seed is interlinked within evil, that stretches like a spider web. I am grateful for Nuevo Mexican for the heads up. If he is mistaken, then set us straight. I believe Nuevo Mexican wishes to grasp all the truth he can muster up, for the sake of Truth itself.  Show him better, and you may have your way.If the Israelis masterminded 9/11 to change US public opinion, is true, then it can not be "Anti-Semitic", can it? Then it is just plain truth. I’m not totally knowledgeable about what is "Anti-Semitic",... exactly. But I thought it only pertains to racist deceit. Truth is above, Anti-Semiticism. Truth trumps everything. The present diaspora, is lead presently (on earth)by our countries President. It is the diaspora against My Father's children who use cannabis. It has similarities to the past atrocities, that we will use to thwart the evil. 
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Comment #13 posted by FoM on May 19, 2002 at 17:55:49 PT

My 2 Cents
I don't mind if people share how they see a particular issue. I don't put my beliefs in conspiracies. I never have and really don't understand them but I do know that a puzzle needs all the pieces to be complete. That's why I understand different views from different people on different topics. I could pick a side on what is happening in the Middle East but I won't. A friend that we hadn't seen for a long time dropped by right after 9-11 when we all were talking about it and I asked him what did he think about the WTC disaster. He looked me straight in the eye and said I wondered why it took so long. He said he wasn't shocked at all. We intervened in their war and now we are in the way. This is a war between two religions and we are right in the middle.
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Comment #12 posted by Nancy on May 19, 2002 at 17:32:43 PT:

Nuevo Mexican - once again
Excuse me but I thought this Board was supposed to be about Cannabis activism. My reference to the "Anti-Semitic" slant in your post had to do with your putting a link about the Israelis masterminding 9/11 to change US public opinion.
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Comment #11 posted by Nuevo Mexican on May 19, 2002 at 17:22:13 PT

Anti-Semite NOT!
Are these Jewish Rabbis' anti-semetic? You make the call!
'50,000 plus march through central London on Palestinian rights demo' who stands up for 'people armed with rocks and rifles defending their homeland' vs. occupying Israeli manned, American made f-16's, tanks and missles, is labeled anti-semetic. Your mis-applied labels are the original work of the Mossad as well and you sound like one of their tools.
Actually, You sound like pretzel boy: any dissenting views are anti-American and pro 'terr-isst' and now, anti-Israeli. But look who's the terr-isst now! OUr unelected resident in mis-chief! Sharons' best buddy! Indicted for a massacre, future looking bleak!
3000 lives lost cause the moron was 'vacationing in Crawford' and didn't read the report issued 2 days earlier hmmmmmm... Believe me, the truth will turn out to be much more horrifying than anyone can imagine! Mark my words! 

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Comment #10 posted by FoM on May 19, 2002 at 17:11:31 PT

I need to say something
I looked at what I wrote and mentioned War Emblem was mean natured and I didn't want anyone to think I was comparing that with the Kubbys. That was my comment about the horse only! I hope no one thought I meant otherwise. There I feel better. ( Hope he wins the Belmont too ) LOL!
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Comment #9 posted by FoM on May 19, 2002 at 16:41:42 PT

About The Kubbys
If anyone has followed the Kubby's case over the last few years you will know that they have the will and the heart to make a difference. I don't know them personally but I am aware of their determination. Having those qualities can change the world.I watched The Preakness yesterday ( I love horses ) and watched War Emblem win. He is a mean natured horse but he has heart! Having the will and heart can do wonders. The Kubby's have the will and the heart and history will record it as so.Nuevo Mexican the satellite should be installed this week! I can't wait! I can't wait! I can't wait! LOL!
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Comment #8 posted by Nancy on May 19, 2002 at 16:35:59 PT:

Nueva Mexican post
I am also very happy about the Canadian decision about Steve Kubby. However, Please do not subject us to your anti-Semitic propaganda about 9/11. It truly disgusts me.Nancy
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Comment #7 posted by MikeEEEEE on May 19, 2002 at 16:01:34 PT

This is great news. 

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Comment #6 posted by Nuevo Mexican on May 19, 2002 at 15:56:02 PT

The truth about The bush/cheney 'Imp-pyre'
is hard to imagine, but try your best, as the most unbelievable scenarios are the most likely! I don't know about anybody else, but I am celebrating the fall (the very beginning, watch how fast it falls! Kinda like the 911 Towers, quick and deadly) of the new world order and want everyone to share in the delight of our medias' discovery of what we here already know: The bush crime family will get caught because like the mafia, they know the can get away with anything, ALMOST! The gig is up though, as the evidence has already been compiled ON TH4E INTERNET, the people know the details of the sordid story before the pols even get their hands on it. It all over now baby blue!
Read this folks and tell C-news posters what you think: 
There's lot to cheer about FOM, Nature always prevails, and when you get your dish, more good news will follow, and you'll barely have time to post all the great stories! The last three days have been the best in my life, and the worst in shrubs, if he has any clue as to what is to follow in Germany, where he will be properly greeted by non-brainwashed formers victims of Nazis' like Georgie Too. This is great news for the Cannabis/hemp movement and all freedom based activists throughout the world. Next, the war in Columbia will be exposed as another 911 sham, with a mounting death toll, and all the evidence pre-prepared for War Crimes Tribunals. As sure as the sun rises!
More great articles:US Intelligence Had Warning Israel Was Planning Covert Op To "Turn US Opinion Against Arabs"
Canadian News Wire Story Was Ordered Suppressed't let the lapdog media make you think their on to this, as they are part of this, ask Dan Rather!comment by poster of following article that says it all: 
Another bit on the uselessness of 'homeland security' when the whole U.S. population wants to topple the government.AIR FORCE OFFICER impersonator security breach;bomb scare,Chattanooga airport (english) THEY KNEW this:September 11, 2001: No Surprise by Russ KIck days are here again, the truth about bush is clear again, the days of war and fear dissappear again, Happy days are here again!
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Comment #5 posted by WolfgangWylde on May 19, 2002 at 15:44:45 PT

Holy cow..
...Lord knows I'm given to bouts of cynicism, but this is great news indeed. Perhaps Canada is up to the task of standing up to DEAland after all.  Shades of the Vietnam War!
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Comment #4 posted by Nuevo Mexican on May 19, 2002 at 14:03:03 PT

Get used to it!
The war is over, it's time to celebrate, as the ship of the police state goes down, let's bring in the new paridym with gusto! Bye bye Ashcroft, Bush, Walters, Cheney etc. E-mail your congresscritters and reps now, as there is no time to waste! Let's make sure this one (the bush/911 connection) doesn't get Enroned, or pushed to the back burner by fake terrorist threats!
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Comment #3 posted by JHarshaw on May 19, 2002 at 14:00:31 PT

I Am
so pleased to see the Powers-That-Be have, in this case done the right thing.Now, if only this is an indicator of things to come.....Please God.

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Comment #2 posted by Lehder on May 19, 2002 at 11:25:18 PT

Bravo, Steve Kubby!
Dyke noted that possession of peyote is legal under Canadian law....cacti seeds:Lophophora williamsii - Peyote, Peyotl 
  (Cactaceae) This miraculous cactus has been claimed to hold curative properties for
  ailments as diverse as toothache, pain in child birth, fever, breast pain, skin disease,
  rheumatism, diabetes, colds, blindness, neurasthenia, hysteria and asthma. Has also
  been shown to have antibiotic activity against a wide variety of bacteria including
  some penicillin resistant strains. This famous sacred cactus is the centre of many
  ancient and modern churches and religions.
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Comment #1 posted by 2Spooky on May 19, 2002 at 11:03:17 PT

Eat this, Placer Co!
As a former inmate of Placer Co. CA, all I can say to this is:YEEEEEHHAAAAWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!Boy! Are they gonna be pissed! LOL!
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