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††High Treason 

Posted by FoM on October 09, 2001 at 08:48:50 PT
By Sam MacDonald†
Source: Reason Magazine†

Osama bin Laden is now Public Enemy #1, but that doesnít mean heís pushed everybody else off the list. In a series of articles and public hearings last week, anti-drug crusaders redoubled their efforts to demonize the nationís drug-addled millions. The new charges: Junkies, pill poppers, and street pushers are no longer merely criminals who hook kids and coarsen the culture -- now they supposedly fund terrorists like bin Laden. If you do drugs, you are no longer just a loser: You are a traitor. The drug reformers who normally object to such accusations are, for now, on their heals, unsure how to respond.
For example, Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) announced the Speakerís Task Force for a Drug Free America on Sept. 21. Task forces for a drug-free U.S.A. are nothing new; similar initiatives have been underway since the Gingrich era. In the wake of the terrorist attacks, however, the claims have gone beyond the old save-the-children rhetoric. "The illegal drug trade is the financial engine that fuels many terrorist organizations around the world, including Osama bin Laden," Hastert said. It goes something like this: Afghans grow poppies, which are later processed into about 70 percent of the worldís heroin supply. The Taliban taxes the heroin trade, making millions that later go to fund terrorists like bin Laden.On October 3, Drug Enforcement Administration chief Asa Hutchinson said the same thing to the House Subcommittee on Criminal Justice, Drug Policy, and Human resources. "DEA will continue to aggressively identify and build cases against drug trafficking organizations contributing to global terrorism," he promised in a prepared statement. "In doing so, we will limit the ability of drug traffickers to use their destructive goods as a commodity to fund malicious assaults on humanity and the rule of law." Prior to Sept. 11, these rants would have elicited an outcry from the drug reform movement, and rightly so. Check out this admission from Hutchinsonís statement: "Although DEA has no direct evidence to confirm that bin Laden is involved in the drug trade, the sanctuary enjoyed by bin Laden is based on the Talibanís support of the drug trade, which is a primary source of income in Afghanistan." No direct evidence? Would it be wise to divert even more resources and intelligence to the drug war, when there is no direct evidence that bin Laden is using the money to fund terrorism?By all accounts, most of the heroin consumed in the U.S. comes from Latin America, not Afghanistan. Moreover, if you really want to shift the profits away from terrorists, eradicating supply and demand worldwide is quite possibly the most difficult way to do it. (It certainly hasnít worked so far.) But the most obvious question is: Why doesnít organized crime continue to fund domestic strife with money skimmed from illegal bootlegging? Because those profits -- after a healthy tax consideration for Uncle Sam -- go to Seagramís and Anheuser-Busch instead of to Al Capone. Anyway, as David Borden, executive director of the Drug Reform Coordination Network -- http://www.drcnet.org/ -- pointed out in a phone interview, there is a huge market for legally obtained opiates such as prescription morphine, and nobody is charging that profits from that industry fund terrorists.Unfortunately, the normally vocal drug reform movement is stepping gingerly. An article in DRCNetís weekly reform roundup -- http://www.drcnet.org/wol/203.html -- reveals a deep divide in how various reformers want to respond. It quotes several reform leaders who fear that, as one of them put it, "nothing will hurt us more than being perceived as insensitive to the tragedy that occurred." Another feared that : "Many Americans do not have a high regard for the drug reform movement as it is, and if they see us as being opportunistic, that could really box us in."Others are taking a more proactive -- if riskier -- approach. Kevin Zeese, president of Common Sense for Drug Policy -- http://www.csdp.org/ -- said he hopes to point out the flaws in the drug warriorsí reasoning without raising the publicís ire. CSDP is paying for ads linking drug prohibition to terrorist funding, Zeese says; the ads will soon appear in National Review, The Weekly Standard, New Republic, The Progressive, and The Nation. Full disclosure: Zeese said he is also going to place an ad in REASON. The ads will be available online this week at: http://www.narcoterror.orgTwo groups that probably wonít be listening are Hastertís new task force and the subcommittee Hutchinson addressed this week. According to a Hill staffer familiar with both: "I think itís fair to say that the task force and the subcommittee will not be considering the question of legalization."Note: Do drug users really fund global terrorism? Sam MacDonald is REASON's Washington editor. Source: Reason Magazine (US) Author: Sam MacDonaldPublished: October 9, 2001 Copyright: 2001 The Reason Foundation Email: letters reason.com Website: http://www.reason.com/Related Articles:Drugs and Thugs - Reason Magazinehttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread11056.shtmlDrug War Redux - Reason Magazinehttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread10983.shtmlTerrorist Strike Raises Stakes for Next Drug Czar http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread10927.shtml

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Comment #50 posted by FoM on October 10, 2001 at 18:00:37 PT
Update on Florida Anthrax Scare
Third Case of Anthrax in Florida
http://www.msnbc.com/news/638169.asp?0cm=c30&cp1=1
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Comment #49 posted by mayan on October 10, 2001 at 15:29:42 PT
Hemp Ban In Effect!
Off topic, but DEA bans all edible hemp products!
http://www.votehemp.com
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Comment #48 posted by FoM on October 10, 2001 at 10:48:17 PT
Here's a Link To Iowa
Possible Anthrax Match Found
http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/national/digdocs/003786.htm
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Comment #47 posted by bruce42 on October 10, 2001 at 09:44:00 PT
GO IOWA!
The investigators tracking down the cause of the anthrax outbreak in Florida seem to think the bacteria may have come from a lab in Iowa. I really am not all that happy to be living in Iowa right now. I was okay with the fact that Iowa State University, where I graduated from, was invovled in the development of the first atomic weapons. But now it turns out that Iowa was involved in bio warfare? But, the more I think about it, anthrax comes form livestock, and Iowa has a lot of that. The bacteria probably came from an innocent research lab. In that case, I wonder how bad security is getting at all the USDA labs down there in Ames. It was really odd when our student org was based in the Nuclear Engineering Building on campus. We had to go through disaster drills to get keys to the building when the reactor was still in there. And they had concrete barricades in front of the doors so nothing bigger than a Geo metro could pull up to the outer doors- in case terrorists wanted to drive up and steal the fuel rods. 
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Comment #46 posted by FoM on October 10, 2001 at 09:23:16 PT
It is Scary
I try so very hard to always seem brave. The reality is I often am very afraid but I just don't say it to anyone. I keep it inside. Now as we watch what is happening it is almost unreal. Like we are watching a movie that started on September 11th and gets more intense as each day goes by. This is a real life horror movie that the end no one knows but can only imagine.
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Comment #45 posted by bruce42 on October 10, 2001 at 09:07:21 PT
scary
Truly, frightening. A half a dozen volatile countries all sharing borders, over half of which are guaranteed to have nuclear capability, and all of which probably have biological.It makes a person want to curl up into a little ball and weep.
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Comment #44 posted by FoM on October 10, 2001 at 09:02:04 PT
Silent_Observer 
It sure isn't looking good. I keep CNN on and then switch to MSNBC throughout the day and each day it gets more intense. It's just so crazy.
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Comment #43 posted by Silent_Observer on October 10, 2001 at 08:49:44 PT
WW3...
may be even more real than we think.China is amassing troops, as was mentioned here previously, and India appears to be waiting for just one more terrorist attack in Kashmir before striking back at Pakistan..wow
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Comment #42 posted by FoM on October 10, 2001 at 07:46:04 PT
Walters Hearing
http://www.capitolhearings.org/
Go to Judiciary/Walters hearing  1:30 PM and then click on "SD 226" to the right.
Happy hearing.....
Nicholas Thimmesch II
NORML Media & Communications
1001 Conn. Ave. NW S-710
Washington, DC 20036
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Comment #41 posted by FoM on October 10, 2001 at 07:23:53 PT
Old Hippie
I thought of this song since you are mentioning Hippies! 
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palace/2009/OldHippie.html
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Comment #40 posted by FoM on October 10, 2001 at 07:09:37 PT

Lehder
Here it is sir Lehder! Hope you don't mind me calling you sir. Oh my what if you are a woman! LOL! Enough of my nonsense and off to do my best to find one tiny little good drug war article. I haven't found anymore on Colombia or on John Walters except the hearings are scheduled for early afternoon. If I find anything I sure will post it!http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread11038.shtml#6
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Comment #39 posted by Lehder on October 10, 2001 at 06:25:38 PT

yup, kaptin, thanks for your comments
I'm sure the Bush league is doing all it can to prevent legalization in Colombia, and the dishonor and depravity to which it is willing to go has no known depth. Yes, certainly Colombia is among those on Bush's list of sixty terrorist-harboring countries subject to invasion, and as we all know foreign legislators are subject to American law. But Bush's hands are getting pretty full and if he (i.e. his handlers) care to set all of South America into an anti-American turmoil all the while with a match under the mideast and more than half of Asia on a hair trigger - well, his handlers may think twice about interfering.So far as the rule of law goes, the article, while not giving vote counts, indicated that the issue was acquiring very serious force, and that indecision among consevatives and liberals could be broken by independents. The writing is on the wall. WW III or legalization, police state or social collapse - I waver between radically different futures; what actually happens over the next year may be unanticipated by any of us. As I've said, we're at an inflection point, a condition of chaos where the future is unpredictable and the effects of unpredictable events are magnified beyond what is normal. One thing is for sure and that is that change of some kind is upon us. And Bush's plate is full. His puppet masters have been extremely adept in their manipulations, but even they may be overtaken by events and lose their masterful control of the world about them, the media and public opinion.Hippies, though, are here to stay. As the link reveals, they, like Rambo, can eat things that would make a billy goat puke. You just can't get rid of them.Tenga agradable un dia!
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Comment #38 posted by kaptinemo on October 10, 2001 at 05:11:56 PT:

Thank you, Sr. Lehder
I needed a good laugh, and that link you provided was just the ticket!With regards to Colombia legalizing, normally, I would agree with you that it would be big news. But the problem is that the Bush Too Administration is in an interventionist mood. I am quite sure that, despite the present focus on Afghanistan, the Shrub is also having his minions keep a close eye on the legislative debates concerning legalization in Colombia...and has drawn up 'contingency plans' to intervene there, too. After all, those 'advisors' have been working very closely with the Colombian military; they have established who they can 'trust'...and who they can't. And the latter category would include those nationalistic ("Colombia por los Colombianos!") military officers and senior NCO's and civilian government personnel who would not look favorably upon a US-led coup for any reason. The Bush Prime Administration did it to Panama in 1989; geographically and logistically, Colombia is only a hop-ship-and-a-jump away.Something would have to happen down there that was so open and public that the US media would have no choice but to cover it..like the Pastrana government resigning in disgrace at objective, scientific proof of the spraying causing serious, life threatening illnesses. And even then our muzzled media would find a way to marginalize the tremendous impact this would have on surrounding countries and the US. for it really would be a sharp and stunning blow to the US DrugWar - and those in charge of that farce are not about to let a 'client' nation break from the fold without some serious repercussions.
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Comment #37 posted by Lehder on October 10, 2001 at 04:48:13 PT

Colombia
A link to an article about legalization in Colombia was posted here a day or two ago. I wasn't able to find it this morning in five miutes and of course it's not a mainstream story easily found elsewhere. But the gist of it was that the Colombian legislature is really in the thick of debating full legalization of all drugs in order to end the violence there. The issue seems to be gaining strength quickly and a favorable result may be on the way. As the U.S. continues with its spraying there and continues too to set bad examples elsewhere the Colombians will only be more eager to be shed of our interference. Legalizing drugs there is probably the best way to get the U.S. out.Colombian legalization will be story that cannot be supressed by the government media here. All the airplanes and corporations like DynCorp will have to leave. That story would be apt to finally open up debate on drugs and everythiing else in this country and it could topple Bush and his buddies. they've sure got their hands full now, and I hope they're really sweating Colombia too. And the amount of potential energy stored here on all the government controlled issues, when it's released after decades of supressing dissent and debate, will be extraordinary and bring revolutionary changes in this country. At least I hope that's what will happen. The supressed news and opinions are a coil spring here, squashed to the maximum and ready to be released with terrific energy. The Colombians have their finger on one of the latches that could release it all. And if they don't spring it, some other foreign country soon will. It's gonna be amazing, and a lot nicer than WW III. Bush will not last four years.Well, until another article appears on this topic, here's a link that will have to do. It'the website of the Anti-hippie Action League dedicated to "supressing hippiedom worldwide." http://www.devo.com/tft/hippie/
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Comment #36 posted by kaptinemo on October 10, 2001 at 04:36:23 PT:

Something to ponder
Many years ago, someone asked the great thinker Itzaak Bentov where we will find the next step in human evolution. He replied that we should look in the insane asylums. Not because there was anything pathologically wrong with them; on the contrary. They were committed because they would be able to think so radically differently from most 'norms' that they would be misdiagnosed as having something wrong with them.I find the same thing happening all the time with the Reform movement, the Lib Party, the Greens, etc. The people in these movements are generally on the far right of the intelligence bell curve; they can see where failed policies are going. They can look beyond the usual limitations of the work-a-day existence, taking the long view, drawing upon the past to accurately predict the future. But when they attempt to explain these ideas and concepts to those still enmired in the old ways of thinking, they draw everything from blank looks to threats to have them committed. Or worse.To illustrate my point, I invite the curious to go here:http://www.culturalcreatives.org/questionnaire.htmland take that little quiz. I have little doubt that those here will find themselves possessing the 'culturally creative' traits that the developers of the questionaire have concluded actually exist.It will aslo explain why we have such a hard time dealing with antis, as they represent another mental milieu entirely. At the very real risk of sounding elitist, the people involved in this and other (truly!) progressive movements may very well be the vanguard of a new society...if it isn't strangled in the crib by the paranoid, insanely jealous and fearful old one.
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Comment #35 posted by The GCW on October 10, 2001 at 04:32:18 PT

firedog = (#32) PLUS:

 James Madison once remarked that had it not been for hemp, he
would not have had the insights he had in the work of creating
a new and democratic nation. http://www.hialoha.com/konagold/church/holyherb.html (near the very bottom, right above theosophy.)
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Sheep could be a good mascot. That party might do well to make a full on attempt at prohibiting polyester and cigerettes etc. on a world planetary scale. To educate citizens of the incredible need to stop using gas for cars, and oil for plastic clothing, must have decisive public input, to start right now and continue regardless of public reception. High powered lawyers should get busy now. The slow process must start.
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Comment #34 posted by lookinside on October 10, 2001 at 04:18:55 PT:

dddd....
i like the idea of a political party with a sheep mascot...i read somewhere that the animal called a mountain goat is actually a sheep...those things have HORNS and a bad attitude when cornered...a male sheep is called a RAM...(remind you of walls falling down?)as we posted here a few days ago, it's time to start building a coalition of people who want substantive change in this country...greens, libertarians, PEACE AND FREEDOM!maybe all under the RAM logo?
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Comment #33 posted by dddd on October 10, 2001 at 00:26:42 PT

Quite Cool Professor Firedog
...We all know what it's like to live in the world of gradiated sheeple,,,ya got your blinding clorox whites,,your slightly soiled whites,,,,your confident and proud light grays,,,your heavily soiled grays,,,all the way down to your utterly rebellious blacks,,,but,,,then again,,you can bleach a black,,,,but you might have to use some very expensive hair product from France,to make a non-obvious bleach-out job,,,,(any good/fake Southern California bleach job,,has gotta be well maintained,,black roots really give me the creeps.),,,,,anyway,,,,I guess I have strayed much too far at this point to make any noteable point,,so I will attempt to gracefully extract myself,by saying;.......All in all,,,things could always be worse........keep the Faith....ddddizzy 
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Comment #32 posted by firedog on October 10, 2001 at 00:08:11 PT

I forgot one thing..
One more thing I wanted to say in regards to the "freezing age"... There are certain herbs and chemicals that can temporarily unfreeze the mind, rendering its victim open to new concepts and new ways of looking at preexisting concepts and beliefs. In unfreezing the mind, concepts can flow together in new ways and new ideas are created.Some of these new ideas are revolutionary, like the personal computer (Steve Jobs said that if it wasn't for marijuana and LSD, the Apple II wouldn't have been created). It's not a mere coincidence that the anti-War protests (Vietnam, that is), a revolution in psychedelic experimentation, the creation of the Internet, and the invention of the personal computer were all centered in the Bay Area, within the span of a single decade.These revolutionary ideas disrupt the status quo, bankrupting old companies, creating new aristocracies (and threatening the old ones), challenging long-held values, and destroying social control mechanisms that work in a static environment but become obsolete in a changing world. And that, I think, is the true reason why mind-expanding drugs are still illegal. This, I think, is what we're ultimately up against.

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Comment #31 posted by firedog on October 09, 2001 at 23:48:55 PT

The Angry Sheep
Maybe it should be the Bleatin' 420th. Or perhaps we need a patch for the "Order of 420", with a rising sun (complete with sunbeams) over a field of hemp, all done in a retro '40s style. I can totally see it in my head...As qqqq said... you can laugh at one angry sheep but you can't laugh at hundreds of them, you have to take them seriously. Our challenge is to get people to see that there is a whole thundering herd of angry black (or green?) sheep and not just one. The Shrub administration has successfully managed a similar task in recent weeks, so maybe we can too.In this next section, I speak for myself, and myself only. But I'm willing to bet that a lot of us fall into a similar category. When I was growing up, I didn't know any other green sheep. Later in life, I started to meet them, and when the Internet came along, everything changed. I know that we aren't as uncommon as I had once thought. We're all over the place, in every state and city, we just don't show our true colors most of the time.But I live my life around the "perfect" white sheep most of the time. I know some sheep of different colors, but we tend to blend in to our surroundings in order to make our way, so it can be hard to identify the green sheep in white sheep's clothing. It can be dangerous to stand out, especially now.Whenever I can, I try to help those around me open their eyes. I don't try to push an opinion (explicitly), I just tell people what's going on in the world, what I've read, who wrote it, etc. I try to tell them things they probably haven't heard from Mainstream Media, like the fact that the INS is trying to deport the British widow of the WTC bombing. But even providing the information can be difficult to do without pushing people away.It's not that they are necessarily bad people (or sheep), they just refuse to look around at what's going on. They have closed their eyes to reality! And they fight any attempt to open them! Maybe that's a bad character trait. Perhaps the willful acceptance of ignorance should be the Eighth Deadly Sin.They go through life, acquiring more and more material goods, ignoring the fact that they are not living up to their responsibilities as citizens of the world. They build walls between them and anyone who tries to remind them of those responsiblities, even implicitly.I have a theory that most people lose the ability to learn new concepts at a certain age. After that age, they can learn new facts, but they can't integrate those facts into a logical whole, unless that conceptual framework is in place before that "freezing age". In the general population, that age is pretty low, averaging about 14 or 15.Like physical exercise, the act of pushing the brain beyond its comfort zone can be painful, and I think that's why so many people resist it. And that partially explains why people are so happy to stick their heads in the sand.Before the sheeple reached their "freezing ages" they learned that America=Good and so any fact, theory, or concept that threatens that preconceived notion is painful to even contemplate. So it gets shut out, along with the messenger. And repetition of the age-old mantra "America=Good" is the sure-fire cure for any green sheep that might try to qualify that statement even a little bit.I'm rambling bigtime tonight. I'd better shut up and get some sleep or I won't be able to simulate "white-sheephood" tomorrow...Good night (or good morning) y'all...

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Comment #30 posted by FoM on October 09, 2001 at 22:37:41 PT

qqqq the Goat
That was good! LOL!
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Comment #29 posted by qqqq on October 09, 2001 at 22:23:40 PT

flock PRIDE!
......yea,,like that 4d said,,,the Sheep must Unite!......While one angry Sheep may not seem that ominous,,,,, a herd of hundreds of extremely pissed sheep,,,would be quite terrifying....Dont forget,, Sheeps are closely related to goats,,,and a goat can be quite mean,and sorta dangerous......
..And as the Angry Sheep movement takes hold,,,we can make some really cool WWII type armpatches,,,with an image of a really angry sheep with boxing gloves on,,,,"The Bleatin' 42nd"....
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I...I think we need to create a new category,,now that "sheeple" are legitimate......I am going to label myself a "Goat"!........Yes,,the majestic Goat!,,,not really that friendly of an animal,,,,,,I'd have a pet dog,,,,(but it's hard to find places to live in LA,with a pet goat.)...........Goats always seemed to me,,to be really ornery ,unpleasant creatures,,,rather stinky ,I do believe.........
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Anyway,,,.........that's why I decided to be a Goat.......ya know,,,,perhaps we could annoy our way into taking over the flocks of dissenting sheeps,,,,you've heard of "the Black Sheep of the family",,well there's alot of angry gray sheep out there,,,that's why I think a good third party symbol; to compete with The ass,,and the non-wolley Mammoth,,,,would be the noble,,Angry GOAT.......
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Comment #28 posted by FoM on October 09, 2001 at 21:58:26 PT

Toker00 
Thank you that was very kind. I really try not to get depressed but this is a legitmate reason to be depressed as we all know. I feel sorry for the young people who could face being drafted. That was a horrible time during Vietnam. I remember when we were thinking about boys like only teenagers do that we wondered if the person you would fall in love with would be sent to war and maybe not come home. They were very unsure times but we became stronger because of it I think. They say there is nothing new so this is like Vietnam all over again but much bigger because our country is being attacked. We, just like in Vietnam, don't really know who the enemy is.
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Comment #27 posted by Toker00 on October 09, 2001 at 21:43:18 PT

FoM
Bless your heart. I hate to see you so depressed. But then, I hate to see ANY of us depressed. Life is too short. Please don't give up on a possibly bright future. We don't need to think our cause is lost. Or our country. We need to take action to change things. I'm surprised some of these other Anti-federal government folks haven't started doing something to let these bastards who have brought global terror to bear on us, know that we will not take their shit anymore. I'm talking about the nazi fascist Federal government now under the Bush regime. I'm not afraid, because I know the truth. Hate begets hate. Voilence begets violence. We are not a part of this. Take comfort in that. And don't be afraid to take actions to regain this country from them. LET THEM KNOW!!Something is just eating away at me. The fact that the women in Afghanistan are treated so very inhumanely. This is just as bad as what they did in NY. How many of them have been killed in the name of Talibanism? I love women so much and it just tears me apart when I see or hear about their long suffering. Never forget, women were made, according to the Bible, from man's side, to be beside him, not in front or behind. God bless all the women of the world. And paricularly ones like FoM.Peace. Realize, then Legalize.
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Comment #26 posted by dddd on October 09, 2001 at 21:33:46 PT

hey lag.You can run,,but you cant ______....
.....Greetings......I can understand asking about the procedure for repatriation to a new country,,but I gotta say,,,I think you are better off with a good ol' Uncle Sam passport,,,,that is,unless you are going on a quest to find bin-Laden,,,,and then you may want to shop about for another nationality,,,,,,...I goes without saying,,,the richer you are,,the easier it will be for you to become welcomed into a new country......heck,,,,if you got the funds,,you could become a citizen of Lichtenstien,,or Switzerland!,,,(man,,wouldnt it be kinda cool and fun to have a Swiss Passport....with a Swiss passport you could act really cool,,,until the terrorist guy wanted money,?,,but it might be better than a US passport,(unless you're a proud ewe,who dont mind being led to slaughter,, in the name of dubya dubya III).....I hear that Belize,or Honduras is a fairly cheap date,,,, but I dont recommend leaving the Evil Empire ,,,yet....It's still not that bad of a place to live,,,and we need all the disgusted people who consider re-locating,,to stay here,and help the rest of us angry,and extremely upset Sheeps,and sheep mask replicas'',,,,stay here and help with a sortof "Boston Tea Partyesque thing,,we need you here.......  
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"No Taxation,without representation"!!!.....either we fight for a change with our fellow patriots,,,or we move out,because we couldnt hack it.......,,,,dddd
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Comment #25 posted by FoM on October 09, 2001 at 21:33:29 PT

No We Won't Forget Toker00  - I Agree
http://www.freedomtoexhale.com/rb.htm
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Comment #24 posted by Toker00 on October 09, 2001 at 21:27:02 PT

We will never forget...
...Tom and Rollie.WE WILL NEVER FORGET RAINBOW FARM!!!!Or the cold blooded nazi jackboot terrorists who murdered them.Peace. Realize, then Legalize.
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Comment #23 posted by puff_tuff on October 09, 2001 at 21:19:20 PT

Hey lag
I find Rabble to be a good Canadian news site, they also have a forum called....you guessed it....rabble babble!
http://www.rabble.ca/
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Comment #22 posted by FoM on October 09, 2001 at 20:52:07 PT

Just a Comment
I feel so bad about all of this. One month has passed and look at us now. We haven't even mentioned Tom and Rollie. Chandra Levy's parents still grieve. I just feel so bad. I am very much a believer in Peace. I don't like fighting at all so I can't possibly like war but when I shut my eyes I can see the World Trade Center in my mind over and over again. So many lost lives. They couldn't have done anything worse then what they did that day. The fear that we live with now and even the way we think is so very different. I'm really not afraid but I think I am more sad for what is coming upon the world.
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Comment #21 posted by New Mexican on October 09, 2001 at 20:24:24 PT

Pass this around!
Here's something inspired by the LAST war for oil:'I believe that to exist, a work of art must be born from an historic necessity. It must, namely, live an historic situation and constitute itself as a language of that moment,'
 "I think what gives the works an historic dimension is the philosophy of the artist."
					--Jannis Kounellis
 
	MEDITATIONS ON THE CORRUPTION OF WARWar is a mutilating experience.History is an accounting of almost continuous warfare.Struggles for economic superiority have intensified conflict.Monstrous technologies of destruction have been created.We wreak havoc and torture on one another in fiendish ways.Humanity now possesses the means for destroying itself.Civilizations further aggression through nationalism.Mutual retaliation does not cause peace.World leaders are setting the agenda for Armageddon.No comprehension exists of the nightmare which awaits us.Images can not depict the true horror of war.Only through their love may the peoples of this world be saved.War has perverted the very spirit of the Life Force.We live in an age of global insanity.Refuse to participate further in this madness.Willliam Davis
19 Janurary 91
New Mexico, USA
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Comment #20 posted by lookinside on October 09, 2001 at 20:23:59 PT:

FoM...
thank you, FoM...that's the one thing that could really throw the poo-poo in the stew...i believe that we have the military might to wage war on the entire world, if china sits it out...a war with china cannot be won with conventional weapons...they have the capability to field 100,000 more soldiers each DAY...our guys would be crushed by them, even if they were unarmed...at the same time, on our home turf, they cannot win...but we are waging war near THEIR turf...BTW...your pup looks great...currently we have 5 cats...all fixed and the indoor/outdoor variety...
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Comment #19 posted by freedom fighter on October 09, 2001 at 20:23:15 PT

This mouse is roaring
so loud.."Who is committing this High Treason?" Go to CNN forum, you will see amerkians screaming with joy and happiness when we first start bombings. I felt like asking if they felt more secured despite the fact that it did not catch Bin the terror. I wondered if these posters can compare themselves to so-called folks down in middle east screaming with joy and happiness when the terrorists struck the twin tower down?In my daily newspaper screams a headline "BUSH WARNS AMERIKANS, THIS WILL BE A LONG WAR." I just only wondered how long can average amerikans think a LONG WAR might be? While Bush and his cohorts, Asscroft cannot wait to pass the anti-Terror Bill forever destorying what's left of freedom and liberty, how many years? 1? 5? 10? 30? years of black body bags will amerikans be able to stomach this? And how many more years of feeling secured but so ever slave to the ideology?This mouse who does not own a car/truck, is roaring, "who has committed the High Treason?". While we patted our back knowing we predicted the WW3, it had already started back in 1970's. Someone asked ex-prezy dicky nixon when it would start. He said,"It has already started."While 98% of amerikans know that drug war is a lost cause, giving a blessing to a president who did not won the election but was picked by 9 black robed vermins have delcared a war on terror like war on drugs... All while oil men with primped ties, having 3 miltiary meetings a week planning, dreaming the oilpipe lines across the coca/poppy/cannabis fields."Just who is committing the High TREASON?", roared the mouse who did not gingerly stepped on eggshells, quickly packed a backpack and scampered away in a giant leap for mankind.ff
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Comment #18 posted by FoM on October 09, 2001 at 19:49:26 PT

Here it is!
Is China moving in?
Sources report thousands of troops deployed to back Taliban
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24831 
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Comment #17 posted by FoM on October 09, 2001 at 19:45:21 PT

lookinside
I'll go find it and post it as soon as I do.
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Comment #16 posted by lookinside on October 09, 2001 at 19:35:47 PT:

FoM...
can someone post the links to the articles on the chinese buildup?lehder, kap, dddd, et al...thanks for the thoughts...
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Comment #15 posted by FoM on October 09, 2001 at 19:32:45 PT

lag
Here's a link to the Ottawa Citizen but I can't post any articles because they told us we can't.
http://www.canada.com/ottawa/
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Comment #14 posted by lag on October 09, 2001 at 19:28:24 PT

defect
So...what are the steps towards defecting to the country of your choice? Does it just involve entering said country and renouncing my previous one? If that's the case it's a lot cheaper than applying to be a citizen, I would imagine.Hmm...I am tired of viewing events from the American side? Does anyone have recommended Canadian news sites to see how a more rational country might be reacting to this? The US says a lot of things supposedly representing a lot of people. But, is it selfish to demand to be heard when the government that is supposed to make you heard ignores you, or worse? Is the government legally allowed to be this selfish? Is it morally allowed(the morals I refer to are those relating to those that created America originally)?I say we write up a new Declaration of Independence full of grievances we have. We will dispel the ignorance in one document printed on Hemp and post it on the 'chapel' doors like Luther himself. Okay, but if not that, what? If money is talking could we sponsor an ad compaign that pointed out the ignorance of our government? And since celebrities have so much clout let's find those that people trust and request their sponsorship. I mean, this needs to be national. Mass protests are no longer effective, we need celebrity sponsorship. Soon as we have that we can go far.damn my squeaky clean idealism is showing again...I have to get some thread and a sowing needle, be back in a bit.
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Comment #13 posted by dddd on October 09, 2001 at 17:36:10 PT

Greenfox
.....I think it was a typo,,,but I'm going to put it into my new vocabulary...;"The slefishness drips from the same hand that the crimson blood of murder falls."......"slefishness",,,there is something about it that I like. ....Slefishness,,,,yes,,,I like it!,,,,It's not the same as "selfishness",,,,nope,,it's "slefishness",and that means something that the word "selfishness",cannot explain,,,because the "self",,is personal,,,,but the "slef",implies the exsistance of a gang of selfishness,,it's the new pluiral of selfish................... Oh well,,,leave it to me to go out on a tangent that has nothing to do with anything,,,,but that's just me,,having my own selfish fun,,,..........but dont be trying to call me "slefish",,,,that's not me....dddd
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Comment #12 posted by greenfox on October 09, 2001 at 16:30:59 PT

24 and there's so much more
Le sigh. Depression sets in after reading this. Again. The mainstream press has, alas, failed me. All my devices bind me to this hell. Kaptinemo has again illistrated what the wordless cannot. The slefishness drips from the same hand that the crimson blood of murder falls. Peter screams even now. That cold, uncarring hand. The hand that is so quick to grasp political "correctness" from the immoral majority. 
Politics were supposed to be run by the few, the brave, the capable. Commoners (and their hypocritical opinions) were never supposed to have say. There words were to be enacted through their ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES. THESE people were the chosen ones. These people were to take the whims and wishes of the common folk and transform this vile spew into something a bit more 'drinkable'. Yes, our elects were to protect us, while still obeying us. and as was once spoke...... the beads of time move slow.And, true is this. The grass will still grow, the birds will still sing, and perhaps through a nuclear winter, the cockroaches will still wander. Wanderlust, really. This grim fate is not a prediction in the near future, NAY. It is a prediction for the distant future, decades or maybe even eons. and again... ... the beads of time move slow.and when the bastards that DID this TO US rot, they will rott just as slow. Oh...so very, very.....very....slow.sly in green, foxy in kind.....
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Comment #11 posted by i420 on October 09, 2001 at 16:30:42 PT

haha
with this reasoning 1 /4 of our military must be traiotors. When i got popped on a pisstest in the army so did 1/4 of our platoon. lol it was a sight all of us lined up in front of our co. at least at that moment we knew who e could turn to out of our people 
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Comment #10 posted by Rambler on October 09, 2001 at 15:56:28 PT

I encourage all to see this website today
http://prorev.com/indexa.htm
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Comment #9 posted by aocp on October 09, 2001 at 15:56:06 PT

Nobody's listening to this anyway, but...
CSDP is paying for ads linking drug prohibition to terrorist funding...The original gateway theory, put into practice. The easiest way to point this out to the sheep is by substituting an already over-demonized cousin to the illicits: tobacco. Forget booze ... we're a nation of drunks, by drunks, and for the drunks. Wouldn't fly easy enough. Put it simply: if tobacco were illegal to manufacture, sell, and possess in this country (as schedule 1 as it gets), would Bone Headen still be able to use the trade of such an illicit to profit his terrorism? Then, spot the difference between that and any other illicit you can think of. Oh, and BTW, hash has been mentioned numerous times as a cash cow for our psychotic nutcases in afghanistan, so don't feel one iota safer about cannabis not being linked to them. The antis never give up.
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Comment #8 posted by Lehder on October 09, 2001 at 15:29:19 PT

oops!
I've predicted "invasions from the South" yet forgot to include the South and Latin Americas among our enemies. They have a lot of dope there and hate us too. They will be equipped by the Chinese and provide them with bases there. And I suppose the Japanese will side with us against China. There! [:-)U.S., Russia, Israel, England, Japan vs. Taliban, Pakistan, Iraq, other Islamic countries, "defecting" countries of Europe, China, all of South and Latin America. 

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Comment #7 posted by Lehder on October 09, 2001 at 14:35:00 PT

sounds of silence
I hope that some of my comments have been worthy of plagiarism. I made them with the wild and crazy hope that mainstream media would see the truth and use whatever they might. But what is plain for all to see does not need to be plagiarized. What was needed was only the courage to see it and say it and that courage is the most valuable commodity that could be taken from this board.What concerns me is WW III - and the vanishing of courage as we embark upon it.If you do drugs, you are no longer just a loser: You are a traitor. The drug reformers who normally object to such accusations are, for now, on their heals, unsure how to respond.( I must mention before continuing that herein lies one of observer's themes of drug war propaganda - that those who oppose the war on drugs are of necessity users of drugs.)But there is even more nonsense in this statement. That the worst of our warnings and predictions is being realized before our eyes and to the war-fevered glee of mainstream America is not remonstrance. Rather it is stark fear and hopelessness in the face of another repetition of humanity's ugliest of histories that have caused many to pause about speaking any longer. We have predicted all that is happening and all that is about to happen. It was easy but unpleasant to do. Many pinheads and illiterates found it far easier to simply to condemn us, mere messengers of truth, as drug addicts or other despicable elements because we warned of despicable events to come. When we discussed the 20-year Indian curse and the threats of Osama bin Laden, "Neil" arrived and all those comments were deleted along with his. When 150,000 gathered in Seattle to protest America's insatiable appetites for war and violence not a sound byte or video frame was to be found on the country's almighty TV sets. And so it goes.Many of us have predicted the growth of power of the totalitarian movement, which some refer to by other names, and expressed grave doubts, for example, about what the government's response to legalized medical marijauana would be. We have warned of and predicted warfare on a global scale. And we have warned of genocide: the rounding up of Americans who oppose the drug war, their condemnation as subversives in the event of a national emergency, their isolation and detention and their killing. Who among us, we who know a tiny bit of history and who know the dynamics of totalitarian movements, would not be afraid?It is fear and hopelessness, not a twisted, propagandistic claim of sudden comeuppance that has stifled many critics of the war on drugs and of America's ceaseless warring in general. Yet there is little more to fear. Unless we are proven wrong about our government's intentions - in which case we will survive, and happily - then we are dead anyway.Totalitarian movements are global in scope.Today the 56 nation-members of the Organization of Islamic Congress has called an emergency meeting. Iraq has warned that the extension of attacks to countries beyond Afghanistan would be interpreted as a war on Islam. How should they be expected to interpret the statements of a born-again Christian? One who uses espressions like "Hammer of Vengeance", "crusade" and who tells us that there may be as many as sixty countries worthy of our bombs. And when our assistant Secretary of Defense promises a war that will go on for "years, not weeks or months." What is anyone of us to think when the U.S., alone among 179 nations, fails to sign the international ban on biological weapons: 178 to 1 ? And when we were told yesterday and again today that the attacks on terrorists could be extended to other countries I cannot help but think: Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Libya, Syria, Cuba. How many of our parteners in war will care to go the whole way with us as we attack these and then the other fifty-three remaining terrorist countries?How will it all shape up? Eventually, many of the U.S. coalition members will drop out or even defect to "the other side" ( remember - "yer either with us or yer agin us" - no argument, no debate, no discussion). Where will Iran stand - the Iranian government that hates both the U.S. and the Taliban and that fought a long war with Iraq? What does the movement of Chinese troops into Afghanistan mean? What must the Chinese be imagining when arch enemies U.S. and Russia combine their troops and weapons in countries bordering on China?It's all very scary, and it's probably too late. I hope desperately that I will be proven wrong. I'd like a meal of crow far better than one of "detention", radiation, lead and anthrax. But I fear this silence is the calm before the storm.Totalitarian movements end in political and economic collapse of their host societies, and often in warfare and the destruction and death of the host societies.How will it go? Maybe,U.S., Russia, Israel, England  vs.  Taliban, Pakistan, Iraq, other Islamic countries, "defecting" countries of Europe, China. I really do have better things to do. And like many others I have very little more to say.
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Comment #6 posted by dddd on October 09, 2001 at 12:43:25 PT

Excellent comments from wise people here..
...I must agree with Dougs' suggesting a paralell to the Red scare.The voices of dissent have been drowned out,and villified as patrioticly incorrect.....dddd
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Comment #5 posted by kaptinemo on October 09, 2001 at 11:54:48 PT:

Well, Dan, at least they are reading here
Cold comfort to those of us who've been writing about the grasping, opportunistic Feds wholly prdeictable attempt to capitalize on the tragedy.Well, the fact of the matter is that most people will - rightly - consider us as being 'partisan' on the issue. After all, if someone has never been on the short, sharp, and s**tty end of the Fed stick, then they will not understand our passions. If they have never cared for someone suffering horribly from cancer and chemo and stand impotently by as they barf their guts out - because you have no access to cannabis to relieve the nausea - they might mistake our earnestness for selfishness. They might think our concern for the diminshed civil liberties we have endured as a result of the War on Some Drugs as being merely(!) the whining of 'sore losers' in the hurly-burly of American politics.They might think our concern for the environmental aspects of being too dependent upon hydrocarbon technologies - with the attendent possibilities of engineered shortages, high prices, ecological damage, and war for resources (as the Gulf War was really all about, and the war in Afghanistan is all about) as being the histrionics of demi-conscious tree huggers.The mainstream press will never credit those who have written here so eloquently - and thus giving the lie to those who seek to stereotype us as dim-witted, Cheech&Chong dopers- as being anything more than 'freaks of nature': cannabists who can toke, type, chew gum and whatnot at the same time. Not to mention make a fair pass at wordsmithing.In the interim, we'll have to settle for having others stealing our ideas and profiting from them...for now.But...I'm keeping a list of who said what, here...and when it was echoed in major publications. It'll be easy enough to prove. And when the day comes that The Weed is free once more, I'll go mainstream and denounce the plagiarists for their theft. A word to the wise, you thieves: like Dan said, give credit where credit's due.
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Comment #4 posted by p4me on October 09, 2001 at 10:22:18 PT

marketing for success
Isn't the new bill in Congress that is going to redefine our civil liberties called "The Patriot Act?" Put the word patriot in it and it becomes a matter of patriotism instead about our civil liberties. The WOD has taught us that our civil liberties have to be defended. The treatment of the medical marijuana community in California is under assault even though Proposition 215 that passed in 1996. Not only is the government fighting it tooth and nail, the States own legislature has not passed the regulations that define the law even though the support for the medical use of cannabis is 80% in areas.Calling anything "The Patriot Act" puts to much spin on it. MJ is good for nausea. They need legalized cannabis in all 50 states, because people need medicine for the nausea of the lies, the spin, and the tyranny all being rushed in an effort to limit debate.  
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Comment #3 posted by Dan B on October 09, 2001 at 10:21:05 PT

Credit where credit is due
I believe that the idea that the government would equate drug use with treason was addressed in this forum at least three weeks ago. I know that I posted more than one comment on this topic, and I remember reading the comments of others, as well. No matter; at least the message is getting out. Frankly, I hate plagiarism, though, and I'd like to see someone other than Sam McDonald get credit for making this connection.FoM: I have finally seen the reports about China amassing troops on the Afghan border, and I have to say that I am revising my earlier jingoistic remarks (weeks ago, I supported military strikes. Now, I don't. This really is leading us to WWIII).Take care, everyone.Dan B
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Comment #2 posted by xxdr_zombiexx on October 09, 2001 at 10:13:15 PT

Blaming Cannabis for the F/X of Prohibition
That's all this noise is - blaming cannabis for the direct effects of it's being prohibited.Actually, none of this article has anything to do with cannabis: this is about REAL drugs. Cannabis is not a real drug like cocaine or heroin, or tobacco cigatettes. Its not lethal, not physiologically "addictive" (habit-forming - yes, addictive - no). All 3 of those hard drugs are manufactured via chemical processes, and opium and tobacco are the definiton of addictive substances. (Alcohol belongs here too - its an addictive hard drug killing 450 people each and every day.)Cannabis requirs too much space for traffiking to make the kind of money drug traffikers demand before they stick thier necks out. RISK determines profit, and percieved risk is the same a real risk- profit in drug traffiking comes from the RISK involved in transportation. This is why the terror networks deal drugs - same reason that the CIA deals drugs - to make money to buy weapons and to support their respective networks and causes.Fanning the flames of prohibition right now is intended soley to yank up profits for drug traffikers. And since we are sooooo interestd in columbia Im betting that we dent the Afghan Supply of Heroin to jack up the profits of the Latin American Heroin producers prompting the "need" to "intervene" in Columbia..finally with flag-waving support.Those of us in the Cannabis Reform Movement SHOULD be all over this, NOT standing by worried about looking opportunistic. The US Government has provided us with ample cover on that issue. They have been so opportunistic, it's appaling. It is precisely the case that those who were to protct us DROPPED the BALL. They did this largely due to thier warped priorities as evidenced by 700,000 cannabis arrests every year while terrorists live quiet lives plotting their attacks. How much manpowwer is WASTED arresting pot smokers, 99% of whom are NOT threats to you or me? I think of this everytime I see those stupid "Zero Tolerance" stickers with the pot leaves on cop cars. Find some real crime - thers plenty of it. (potheads are easier to deal with as well).Thye Terrorists have done an awesome job helping the US government expand their unconstitutional fantasies.
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Comment #1 posted by Doug on October 09, 2001 at 09:37:28 PT

You Don't Want to be Soft on Terrorism
And then there was the article in the New York Times a couple of days ago saying that most of the poppies now being grown in Afghanastan were being grown in territory controlled by the rebels, i.e. non-Taliban forces that are on "our" side. But let's never let the truth stand in the way of a good argument.This is an advantage to the horror of September 11 as far as many people are concerned. It allows them to link whatever they want with terrorism, and automatically it becomes evil. And people are scared to respond for fear of being insensitve or "soft on terrorism". It remnids me of the heights of the Cold War, where if you said anything out of line you were considered soft on Communism. Are the Fifties about to return?And it's working. Notice how many environmental organization, like the Sierra Club and Greenpeace, have reduced their attacks on Bush (aka the Commander in Chief); NOW has also removed items that are harsh toward the President from their web site; the so-called anti-globalization groups are hesitant to protest; and as this article points out drug reform groups are also changing their tune. It's a difficult situation and the forces of repression must be gloating over their successes.

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