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Liquor Board To Make Rules Against Pot Bars
Posted by CN Staff on April 03, 2013 at 18:54:29 PT
By Bob Young, Seattle Times Staff Reporter
Source: Seattle Times
Washington State -- The state Liquor Control Board voted this morning to start making rules aimed at stopping the consumption of marijuana in bars. “It is important that the Board clarify now that consuming marijuana in a state liquor-licensed establishment is not acceptable,” said Board Chair Sharon Foster. “Public consumption of marijuana is clearly illegal under Washington’s new law.”The issue became a concern for the board and Gov. Jay Inslee after an Associated Press story about two venues, Frankie’s in Olympia and Stonegate in Tacoma, letting patrons use pot within their walls. Inslee is concerned about the proliferation of pot bars.
Voters legalized recreational pot through Initiative 502. But I-502 prohibits public consumption, specifically in public view.The board also is concerned that mixing alcohol and marijuana in liquor-licensed locations could cause increased impaired driving.Under the rule-making process the board now begins taking public comment on its proposal. It will file draft rules in late May, hold a public hearing on the draft rules in late June, and the vote to accept or reject rules in early July. Details for providing public comment are on the Laws and Rules section of the WSLCB website.Frankie’s and Stonegate are trying to avoid obvious violations. They’re getting around the ban on public use by turning parts of their bars into private clubs for pot users. And Stonegate is circumventing the state indoor smoking ban by having customers vaporize their pot, which doesn’t create smoke.As it stands, if patrons are ingesting their own personal pot the only enforcement action the liquor board can take under the new state law is to issue civil infractions, with $103 fines against customers for public use.The new rules would hope to prohibit liquor licensees from allowing such behavior, so liquor board enforcement officers wouldn’t have to write tickets to individual consumers.The owner of Frankie’s said last week he has no intention of changing his bar’s policy. His pot patrons are well-behaved, he said, and most are medical-marijuana patients.“What the hell is the difference,” said Frankie Schnarrs, “if somebody smokes in the parking lot or inside?”Source: Seattle Times (WA)Author: Bob Young, Seattle Times Staff ReporterPublished: April 3, 2013Copyright: 2013 The Seattle Times CompanyContact: opinion seatimes.comWebsite: http://www.seattletimes.com/URL: http://drugsense.org/url/yCOuLxLtCannabisNews  -- Cannabis  Archiveshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/list/cannabis.shtml 
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Comment #17 posted by runruff on April 07, 2013 at 15:01:46 PT
Apples vs oranges, yeah!
now here s a comparison with appeal.
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Comment #16 posted by kaptinemo on April 06, 2013 at 10:07:45 PT:
Oh, and one more thing
Back in 2006 at my last visit to Vancouver, I got a chance to sample Marc Emery's Vapor Lounge...and I couldn't sing its' praises any louder.The atmosphere was what you would expect of those indulging; very laid back, pleasant (if a bit cramped, but it wasn't their fault) but one thing struck me above all, and I made it a point to relate that observation to the staff:Most bars have bouncers. Booze can bring out the worst in people, and it's why I avoid such places. Bad atmosphere, bad karma, call it what you want, but they're no places I'd go to for fun.The Vapor Lounge didn't have bouncers; they didn't need them. They had (some really cute) Hostesses, Who'd, with a genuine smile, happily sell you whatever refreshments, snacks, etc. you'd like. It made up a large part of the reason why they were so successful.Again, the atmosphere was entirely convivial, full of happy patrons, no underlying tension that accompanies many bar scenes due to the ever-present threat that someone might feel the overwhelming need to act like an alcohol-fueled  $$. It was a lot like how I found things to be in Amsterdam 'coffeeshops' in the 1980's and '90's. Thoroughly enjoyable.IMNHO it was a mistake to allow cannabis selling establishments to be lumped in with and be controlled by the Liquor Control Board, as such an organization deals with a product that has inherently negative attributes, while the only violence a cannabist may engage in is usually directed at the contents of refrigerators and snack food packets. Apples and oranges, so why let the apple seller control orange production?
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Comment #15 posted by kaptinemo on April 06, 2013 at 09:47:53 PT:
KnowHemp, that would be History repeating itself.
From the eminently readable A Drug War Carol:http://tinyurl.com/cj6o4z4Oh, and BTW, modern day aficianados of modern-day, tobacco-only hookah bars think that this is a new phenomenon. Nothing could be further than the truth; such existed way back in the late 1800's. Like I said, History does repeat itself...if we let it.
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Comment #14 posted by museman on April 06, 2013 at 09:29:25 PT
"legal"
Yes we all know its a "Fee Country"Legal? What's that? = You get what you pay for.LEGALIZE FREEDOM - (in the sense of what 'legal' actually meant before the lawurinators got hold of the dictionary.)
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Comment #13 posted by knowhemp on April 04, 2013 at 19:50:41 PT:
Hash Bar Would Be Next Logical Progression
I wonder if there was a perceived dip in alcohol consumption when smoking in the bar began. Probably less tickets handed out for drunk driving too. Nope - better cut that out and keep em' drinkin'.It would be pretty nice to smoke in a public setting where smoking is actually sanctioned and drinking was prohibited as long as we need the two separate.
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Comment #12 posted by Sam Adams on April 04, 2013 at 09:30:37 PT
and so it begins
log it! First illegal violators, first punishment handed out under "legal marijuana".
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Comment #11 posted by Canis420 on April 04, 2013 at 09:07:55 PT:
Alcohol and Cannabis
I indulge in alcohol once or twice a week and use Cannabis at the same time. When I am in a bar I am usually shooting pool or listening to a rock band. Both activities I find are enhanced by Cannabis. It focuses me while shooting pool and enhances my creativity when designing shots in my mind and we all know it enhances the musical experience as well.  As it stands now I go outside to do this. I would much prefer to stay inside. Not all alcohol users are alcoholics and/or get mean/agressive while imbibing imho
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Comment #10 posted by FoM on April 04, 2013 at 06:59:38 PT
The GCW
I hope that someday they will be able to have coffee shops like Amsterdam. I have a real dislike for alcohol. I don't want alcohol to be illegal but I don't want a God Given Herb to be closely associated with alcohol.
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Comment #9 posted by The GCW on April 04, 2013 at 06:29:57 PT
FoM,
I can also understand why some people want to go to a bar (or similar public place) to smoke cannabis. People are sometimes lonely. Imagine some single people who are home too much with out much interaction with other people... You know.
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Comment #8 posted by The GCW on April 04, 2013 at 06:26:04 PT
FoM,
"Why associate marijuana with the most deadly drug of all which is alcohol?"It's less association and more exposing blatant discrimination. That is, since booze kills and cannabis doesn't, it is wrong to prohibit... You know...I also understand reasoning which shows it's not in Our interest to compare or associate the green plant with the killer.Fresh food vs. rotten food...
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Comment #7 posted by FoM on April 04, 2013 at 04:46:13 PT
HempWorld
To me there is a very big difference. If marijuana can be used in bars when an accident happens or a fight erupts marijuana will be blamed for pushing a person over the edge. Alcohol is killing my nephew and it breaks my heart. We have lost close friends to alcoholism. I have never seen marijuana causes problems in anyone. Why associate marijuana with the most deadly drug of all which is alcohol?
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Comment #6 posted by HempWorld on April 03, 2013 at 21:58:21 PT
FoM
Normally 'Coffee Shops' do not sell alcohol, but some of the older ones still do.My point is, like Frankie says: “What the hell is the difference,” There is not much difference and there are certainly no additional problems. The 'concerns' from Gov. Jay Inslee are based on AP yellow journalism.If bars serve alcohol with intoxicating and incapacitating effects (or instant death from shock, due to acute alcohol poisoning) then why can we not allow a non-toxic herb like cannabis? We need people to switch from alcohol to cannabis! Or say, less alcohol and some cannabis.
Marijuana Cafe
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Comment #5 posted by MikeEEEEE on April 03, 2013 at 20:48:49 PT
Agenda
Here we go, alcohol and other force$ want your profit$, the real agenda preventing progress in more than one area.Okay, no smoking is fine, if you can find nice cakes in Amsterdam, then....Back in the sevenies, in west Germany there was a guy still wearing a nazi uniform. He was walking around the towns. Decades from now, there will be a few still fighting the war, that most people, like in Germany at that time, wanted to put it behind them.
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Comment #4 posted by FoM on April 03, 2013 at 20:13:50 PT
HempWorld
Do they sell alcohol in coffee houses in Amsterdam? I guess I didn't think most people who want to smoke marijuana would want to be around people who drink. I came from the era where it was said that marijuana was the alternative to alcohol.
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Comment #3 posted by HempWorld on April 03, 2013 at 19:31:20 PT
"pot patrons are well-behaved, he said, and most
are medical-marijuana patients."Ha, ha, some patient if they're hanging out drinking alcohol..."The issue became a concern for the board and Gov. Jay Inslee after an Associated Press story ... concerned about the proliferation of pot bars."Oh, the fear mongering controlled media like AP is dictating the law now?"The board also is concerned that mixing alcohol and marijuana in liquor-licensed locations could cause increased impaired driving."Coulda, woulda, shoulda!And... what about the children what message are we sending, selling cigarettes and alcohol?Dragnet!Leave plenty of work for the cops or better yet, create more!Go to Amsterdam and check it out for yourself, ignoids!
Pot Cafe
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Comment #2 posted by Relfving on April 03, 2013 at 19:18:20 PT:
Music and Dance Bands
Occasionally at bars there are dance bands be it rock and sometimes smooze jazz. This would be quite entertaining for a pot smoker and a good reason to go there. That's where I always went to meet women. 
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Comment #1 posted by FoM on April 03, 2013 at 18:56:31 PT
Just My Thoughts
I can't imagine why someone would want to go to a bar to smoke marijuana. 
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