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Mexico Considers Marijuana Legalization
Posted by CN Staff on January 05, 2013 at 05:33:45 PT
By Richard Fausset, Los Angeles Times
Source: Los Angeles Times
Mexico City -- Forgive the Mexicans for trying to get this straight: So now the United States, which has spent decades battling Mexican marijuana, is on a legalization bender? The same United States that long viewed cannabis as a menace, funding crop-poisoning programs, tearing up auto bodies at the border, and deploying sniffer dogs, fiber-optic scopes and backscatter X-ray machines to detect the lowly weed?The success of legalization initiatives in Colorado and Washington in November has sparked a new conversation in a nation that is one of the world's top marijuana growers: Should Mexico, which has suffered mightily in its war against the deadly drug cartels, follow the Western states' lead?
Mexico's new president, Enrique Peña Nieto, opposes legalization, but he also told CNN recently that the news from Washington and Colorado "could bring us to rethinking the strategy." Such rethinking has already begun. Shortly after the approval of the U.S. ballot measures, the governor of Colima state, Mario Anguiano, floated the idea of a legalization referendum for his small coastal state. In the Mexican Congress, Fernando Belaunzaran, a lawmaker with the left-wing Democratic Revolution Party, has introduced a national legalization bill. The cartels probably derive 20% to 25% of their drug export revenue from marijuana, and Belaunzaran contends that legalization will eat into profit that allows the cartels to buy the advanced weapons that are the cause of much bloodshed. "It's a matter of life or death," Belaunzaran said in a recent news conference. "And after 60,000 deceased" — an estimate of the death toll in the six-year war against the cartels — "no one can say that it isn't essential to Mexicans' lives." Mexico City Mayor Miguel Angel Mancera called for a national legalization forum a month before the Colorado and Washington votes. Since then, a number of prominent Mexican voices have questioned the wisdom of following the strict prohibitionist policies still favored by the U.S. government when many Americans at the state and local levels have rejected those policies at the ballot box. In Mexico City's centrist Reforma newspaper, columnist Sergio Aguayo called the broadening legalization movement in the United States a "slap in the face" to former Mexican President Felipe Calderon, who had vigorously pursued the cartels for the bulk of a term that ended Dec. 1. Although the fight did little to stop the flow of drugs, Aguayo said, Calderon declined to substantively challenge the zero-tolerance line coming from Washington, D.C. "He had an ethical responsibility to lead the search for alternatives," Aguayo wrote. "He did not do that, despite the evidence that was accumulating that history was passing him by." Columnist Claudio Lomnitz struck a giddier tone in the liberal paper La Jornada, imagining a future in which Mexican artisanal pot is marketed much like fine tequila. He even suggested future brand names for Mexican cannabis strains, based on the Cold War-era gringo counterculture the stuff helped fuel: On the Road, perhaps, or Howl. At this point, there is limited public support for legalization here. A poll released in November showed that 79% of Mexicans remained opposed to the idea. By comparison, a Gallup poll released last month showed 50% of U.S. residents against legalization and 48% in favor. The fact that the Mexican public is generally less buzzed about legalization comes as no surprise to Isaac Campos, a historian at the University of Cincinnati, who said conservative attitudes on drug use have deep roots in Mexico. Mexico, he says in a book published in April, outlawed marijuana in 1920, 17 years before the U.S. did, and Mexican newspapers of the era pushed the idea that marijuana smokers were mentally unstable and prone to violence. In recent years, however, the idea of legalization has been moving closer to the mainstream, said Jorge Hernandez, president of Mexico's Collective for a Comprehensive Drug Policy, which supports the loosening of marijuana laws. In 2009, the Mexican legislature decriminalized the possession of small amounts of marijuana and hard drugs. But Hernandez said the conversation remains "immature" in Mexico, "in the sense that the people use emotions and moral questions to debate it, and haven't had a real technical-regulatory debate." The national legalization bill will probably face stiff opposition in Congress. Hernandez has his own issues with the bill, but said that even if it fails, it may end up "opening a space" for further discussion. Peña Nieto has used similar language, although what the new president means by a "space for rethinking" drug war policy, while opposing legalization, is anyone's guess. He might be waiting to see whether polls in Mexico move in a Colorado-like direction. But even then, endorsing legalization could risk damaging Mexico's relationship with the U.S., and jeopardize the millions of drug war dollars Washington pours into the country. Although President Obama recently said he would not make it a priority to go after recreational pot smokers in Colorado and Washington state, he reiterated that he does not support legalization, and the sale, possession and cultivation of the plant remain illegal under federal law. In recent months, Latin American leaders have grown bolder in challenging the U.S. position. Uruguay's parliament was poised to pass a sweeping pot legalization measure, but President Jose Mujica recently asked lawmakers to wait because polls there also show that the public is reluctant to legalize. Mexico's Calderon said in September somewhat cryptically that "market alternatives" might be one solution to the hemispheric drug problem. A number of other current and former heads of state have been more direct in their support for legalization, or at least a serious debate on the topic. A study released by the Mexican Competitiveness Institute in October estimated that legalization measures in Colorado, Washington and Oregon (where legalization failed) would mean that American consumers would enjoy less expensive and higher-quality U.S. weed, eating into Mexican drug cartel profit, creating "the most important structural shock that narco-trafficking has experienced in a generation." But what if Mexico were to legalize weed? Reforma columnist Ximena Peredo contends that it would "open the doors to enormous possibilities for growth" in Mexico, though Alejandro Hope, coauthor of the Competitiveness Institute's report, is not so sure. The risks involved in getting marijuana to market are what makes it so expensive, he said, and legalization could cause prices to plummet. Moreover, the drug cartels, facing increased heat in the drug market, have already branched out to kidnapping, extortion and human trafficking. Would shutting down their pot operations just push the cartels into even more acts of violent crime? Marijuana is "part of our patrimony," said Adrian Vaquier, a 37-year-old cellphone service salesman who was walking outside Hernandez's Mexico City drug legalization office. It was smoked by Pancho Villa's peasant soldiers in the Mexican Revolution and mentioned prominently in the famous corrido "La Cucaracha," he said. At the same time, he said, the current strategy isn't working while making the cartel leaders rich: "Just like Al Capone." Source: Los Angeles Times (CA)Author:  Richard Fausset, Los Angeles TimesPublished: January 4, 2013Copyright: 2013 Los Angeles TimesContact: letters latimes.comWebsite: http://www.latimes.com/URL: http://drugsense.org/url/eMmIF12aCannabisNews  -- Cannabis Archiveshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/list/cannabis.shtml 
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Comment #34 posted by museman on January 09, 2013 at 15:26:42 PT
wait and see
"I’m just hoping that this attorney were more motivated by his obligation to mankind than the coin he will make off the procedure…"I can see MMJ Malpractice Insurance Being lobbied for in the near future...The only way I could ever respect or trust a lawyer at this point would be if they quit their jobs, burned their BAR card, tore their clothes, poured ashes on their heads and walked about in public for 30 days flailing themselves.
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Comment #33 posted by Had Enough on January 08, 2013 at 11:20:58 PT
Comment 29…another chink in the armor…
Thanks for posting that…I’m really not a big fan of lawyers/liars…But in this case I will give them applause…It just goes to show there are some real people in our society that come from all walks of life trying to do good things for mankind…I especially like the part where the dollar amount asked for was set by the DEA itself…priceless…gottcha…they got caught in their own trap…I’m just hoping that this attorney were more motivated by his obligation to mankind than the coin he will make off the procedure…But in either case…this lawsuit will certainly get some attention and change authoritative policy…another chink in the armor…The taxpayers have had enough of this stuff…and even more will speak out when the find these policies from the Feds & State are taking even more food off their table…talk of the kitchen table anyone…
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Comment #32 posted by Hope on January 08, 2013 at 10:20:38 PT
I'm outraged. Everyone should be.
That people are persecuted in the least over the cannabis plant.It has to stop.
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Comment #31 posted by Hope on January 08, 2013 at 10:19:19 PT
It breaks my heart, too.
And our job isn't done... raising a ruckus about it... until the laws change and people are safe from the insanity of the prohibitionists.
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Comment #30 posted by FoM on January 08, 2013 at 06:10:42 PT
gloovins
When I sound critical of pot shops it is because I don't want anyone to go to jail. I am not critical of the people who step out but I am afraid for them. Marc Emery is still in jail and he got MRSA while in jail which is a serious health issue and could cause him problems for the rest of his life. That breaks my heart.
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Comment #29 posted by The GCW on January 07, 2013 at 20:38:34 PT
$3,327,460 to be exact
Here's one of those welcome examples to help stop prohibitionists:Fights Over Medical Marijuana Case Evidence Could Be Costlyhttp://www.cannabisculture.com/content/2013/01/07/Fights-Over-Medical-Marijuana-Case-Evidence-Could-Be-CostlyA medical marijuana grower acquitted of drug-cultivation charges at a December trial wants Colorado Springs police to return her marijuana — or fork over $3.3 million in compensation.The request by Alvida Hillery is the latest sign that failed medical marijuana prosecutions in El Paso County might end up costing taxpayers.Hillery, founder of the Rocky Mountain Miracles medical marijuana dispensary at 2316 E. Bijou St. in the city’s Knob Hill neighborhood, was found not-guilty of felony drug charges after a three-day trial last month....McAllister said he used Drug Enforcement Agency standards to determine the value.Cont.
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Comment #28 posted by gloovins on January 07, 2013 at 20:21:39 PT
My take
This petition thing is a gimmick. No real issues are addressed -- even when the 25k sig's sign them so they "have" to respond. Ha - they reserve the right to not comment on specific cases and certain topics (yeah, the REAL ones) 
And FOM you write: "wish I knew why people have risked opening shops. I wish they would have put their energy into changing the Federal Law so this wouldn't be happening" Ummm, MASSIVE energy was put in effect since 1972 I'd say thru voter referendums and lobbying and look where it got people? No rescheduling, just stonewalling the American public with lies and propaganda. I applaud those who opened shops and didn't charge an arm and a leg for their flowers. Some did for sure but I didn't patronize them. It's called civil disobedience...and while some were motivated by greed, others were more altruistic and had good intentions and of those, I respect deeply. Reschedule now Obama, for the health, safety and to respect the will of the voters of these United States of America.
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Comment #27 posted by Had Enough on January 07, 2013 at 17:52:45 PT
Petitions…
No they don’t listen…but yes they do…The ‘powers that be’ take notice of them…and use them as a barometer of the current political weather…even though they won’t publicly acknowledge this…or if they do...it’s all mealy-mouthed noise you hear…but in the backrooms, cocktail parties, and other private communications they are discussing the opposite of what we hear…As we have all seen, these petitions have not brought immediate gratification…but it is still caught in their craw…it seems they view it as a thorn in their side…or maybe like a sandspur inside their shoe poking them every step they make…nothing drastic…but just enough to make some stop to take their shoe off and remove the irritating burr…The petitions that were generated immediately after Obama won the office are still in their minds…No these petitions by themselves won’t end this stuff…but collectively it puts another chink in the armored wall of obfuscation, agendas, and plain ole lying and stonewalling…So I view these petition efforts as just another legal, defensive weapon, in this war they have wreaked havoc on society with…
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Comment #26 posted by FoM on January 07, 2013 at 15:50:03 PT
Hope
I wish I knew why people have risked opening shops. I wish they would have put their energy into changing the Federal Law so this wouldn't be happening. I was always taught growing up that ignorance of the law is no excuse. I hope we can get the Federal Law changed soon so more people don't go to prison.
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Comment #25 posted by Hope on January 07, 2013 at 15:16:25 PT
Winning the war. Winning peace.
All that good stuff. With words. With keyboards. With opinions. If you are threatening in any way or appearing to be dangerous, even with just your use of words, perhaps people will retreat from you, as they might in the flesh, or answer your challenge, but they will not listen to what you have to say. There will be no understanding, as can occasionally happen.
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Comment #24 posted by Hope on January 07, 2013 at 15:04:36 PT
S. Calif. marijuana clinic owner gets prison term 
http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/article/S-Calif-marijuana-clinic-owner-gets-prison-term-4172678.php
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Comment #23 posted by Hope on January 07, 2013 at 12:31:48 PT
Comment 21
Do they ever pay any attention to those petitions?Any of them? About anything?
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Comment #22 posted by Hope on January 07, 2013 at 12:29:52 PT
Stressing again... I think it should be stressed..
No one listens if we are mean, hateful, aggressive, cruel, acting like a bully, or rude when we speak what we believe to be right and true.It's important. Some of you are geniuses with your ability to express what you're thinking... but no one listens if you act like an a..hole.We've won some battles... but not the war. Here comes another battle.Marijuana use is too risky a choicehttp://www.cnn.com/2013/01/07/opinion/frum-marijuana-risk/?hpt=hp_c1
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Comment #21 posted by Had Enough on January 07, 2013 at 12:07:37 PT
Petition Status...
5400 signatures light19,600 down…5,400 needed…Tell VP Biden to end his war on marijuana users and to respect the people of Colorado and Washingtonhttps://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/tell-vp-biden-end-his-war-marijuana-users-and-respect-people-colorado-and-washington/m4fQdJ4H
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Comment #20 posted by Hope on January 07, 2013 at 11:58:45 PT
Lol!
Oops.I got so carried away with a thought that I didn't post what I found that I wanted to bring to your attention.Marijuana use is too risky a choicehttp://www.cnn.com/2013/01/07/opinion/frum-marijuana-risk/?hpt=hp_c1
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Comment #19 posted by Hope on January 07, 2013 at 11:56:34 PT
Head's Up
Everyone's knowledge of the situation... true knowledge and truth... is sharp and honed. Our mastery of our sword... our vocabulary and ability to express what we are thinking... and knowing are ready.It's important now more than ever. These guys are great. The last of the prohibitionists. They are giving us the opportunity to get the truth out there. To everyone. Someone will get through and the truth will win. We have fought a war of words. Of truth and knowledge and understanding. We are still fighting that war. People still suffer needlessly because of marijuana prohibition. Another battle, another bunch of prohibitionists are jumping up in our faces with another organization and string of letters.I'm scared.Not.But as FoM says, they are people. And I wish to treat them better, now that the tables are turning, especially, than they treated us (Reform activists)and certainly better than they've treated those they deemed "criminals" for cannabis use. We are finally seeing their lies being overwhelmed with the truth. I'm so thankful.
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Comment #18 posted by Had Enough on January 07, 2013 at 11:40:37 PT
Politicians…Drug Warriors...
Politicians are elected by the people and flow with the wind…but serve the moneychangers that keep them in power…“When a politician is not hugging and kissing babies…they are stealing their lollipops”I remember that quote from an old movie…”Siege”…probably not word for word but close enough…I’m reminded of a true to life freedom fighter Gandhi…They have ignored us, they have laughed at us, they have fought us, now we are winning…Also from that movie “Siege”…another little something that that keeps bouncing around in my thoughts…“This is not a movement…a movement starts in one place then stops…this is a revolution…a revolution keeps coming back around in your face”…After legalization…even more and other freedoms will be enjoyed by the people…it will keep rolling and coming back around…another reason to keep on with the efforts…not just our concerns…but for the concerns and freedoms of others…The iron for legalization is hot…We can’t let this opportunity slip by and have to start all over again…the heat needs to be turned up on all fronts until this is done…Even if it comes to ridiculing and getting in the face of our Vice President & Co…He was the one who chose his “Drug Warrior” path for his own gain…now he can pay the dues for laying in that bed…We must be vigilant...put the pressure on the powers that be…and ‘Git-R-Done’…Let’s Roll…
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Comment #17 posted by FoM on January 07, 2013 at 05:47:06 PT
Hope
I feel we are making progress and I hope we don't repeat history and wind up starting all over again because of people being too pushy but it's out of my hands and I have come to the point I sort of expect it to happen again.
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Comment #16 posted by Hope on January 06, 2013 at 20:41:04 PT
That's true, probably.
About the tuning out business. They've pretty much tuned us out for a long time, though, regardless of how polite we are or have been.
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Comment #15 posted by FoM on January 06, 2013 at 18:40:08 PT
Hope Another Opinion of Mine
I don't like to get all angry at politicians. I don't think it will get us anywhere but shunned or think we are really angry people. Hopefully Congress will revisit the laws and change will happen. When someone is angry with me I tune out so why wouldn't politicians?
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Comment #14 posted by Hope on January 06, 2013 at 17:10:56 PT
I understand.
It would be nice if he'd speak up about what he thinks about it. Biden, I mean. I don't like Sabet. He's been a professional drug warrior since he was a teenager. He was groomed to be one. He's creepy.
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Comment #13 posted by FoM on January 06, 2013 at 17:05:57 PT
Hope My Thoughts
I don't believe Sabet. I have watched Biden evolve on issues and if he is quoted as saying something then I will believe it. I only believe Obama quotes too. I wouldn't want anyone to assume how I feel on anything. Basically let me say how I believe but don't assume how I might believe. That's only fair.
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Comment #12 posted by Hope on January 06, 2013 at 16:42:11 PT
Rolling Stone article
There was a quote from Sabet in it... the article in Rolling Stone.""There are not many friends to legalization in this administration," says Kevin Sabet, director of the Drug Policy Institute at the University of Florida who served the White House as a top adviser on marijuana policy. In fact, the politician who coined the term "drug czar" – Joe Biden – continues to guide the administration's hard-line drug policy. "The vice president has a special interest in this issue," Sabet says. "As long as he is vice president, we're very far off from legalization being a reality.""Sabet seems to be working for the State of Florida now instead of the Federal Government, but he still has a lot to say. I'm not sure how much power he has, but he's probably influential. He gets coverage. He's an "Expert" on drug policy.
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Comment #11 posted by Hope on January 06, 2013 at 16:34:34 PT
Part of the Petition.
"Worse, an article published on the same day in Rolling Stone magazine indicated that a ringleader for this anti-marijuana activity is Vice President Joe Biden. A former top White House drug policy advisor was quoted in the article saying, "As long as [Biden] is vice president, we're very far off from legalization being a reality.""
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Comment #10 posted by RevRayGreen on January 06, 2013 at 13:45:49 PT
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Comment #9 posted by FoM on January 06, 2013 at 13:01:05 PT
Had Enough
I could have missed it but where did Biden say anything? Sabet isn't employed by Obama anymore. He is a left over from Bush.http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread27239.shtml
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Comment #8 posted by Had Enough on January 06, 2013 at 12:06:55 PT
Tell Obama To ‘Just Say No’ to Joe
A White House online petition telling Obama to listen to the voters of Colorado and Washington about the future of cannabis legalization, not the famously anti-cannabis/pro drug war architect Vice President Joe Biden, only needs 7,000 more signatures to be brought to the president’s attention. The signatures are needed by Wednesday, January 9. If you’ve not yet taken a moment to let the White House know that you too support the voters of Colorado and Washington, please sign the online petition to put it over the top, and get the White House on record to not interfere with the will of voters in states who no longer support cannabis prohibition and want it legalized and taxed.http://blog.norml.org/2013/01/06/tell-obama-to-just-say-no-to-joe/************Whitehouse Online PetitionTell VP Biden to end his war on marijuana users and to respect the people of Colorado and WashingtonOn November 6, the people of Colorado and Washington state passed ballot measures to make the possession of marijuana legal for all adults and to regulate the sale of marijuana in a manner similar to alcohol.Sadly, on Dec. 7, the New York Times reported that top level officials in the Obama administration are conspiring to undermine these historic victories.Worse, an article published on the same day in Rolling Stone magazine indicated that a ringleader for this anti-marijuana activity is Vice President Joe Biden. A former top White House drug policy advisor was quoted in the article saying, "As long as [Biden] is vice president, we're very far off from legalization being a reality."This is wrong. Mr. Biden should end his war on marijuana users and respect the voters of CO and WA.Created: Dec 10, 2012https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/tell-vp-biden-end-his-war-marijuana-users-and-respect-people-colorado-and-washington/m4fQdJ4H
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Comment #7 posted by Canis420 on January 06, 2013 at 10:58:34 PT:
Patrick Kennedy leads campaign against marijuana 
This guy just doesn't get ithttp://news.msn.com/politics/patrick-kennedy-leads-campaign-against-marijuana-legalization
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Comment #6 posted by Hope on January 05, 2013 at 13:57:32 PT
"A legalization bender"?
What do they mean? Like a "Bender" to save lives from the destruction created and wrought by the prohibitionist? That seems an unusual activity to be calling a "Bender". Is that anything like the "Benders" prohibitionists have? Where they attack, assault, kill, maim, and imprison?I guess the arrogance, cattiness, vindictiveness, and tackiness of the prohibitionists will never cease.
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Comment #5 posted by Sam Adams on January 05, 2013 at 08:44:35 PT
more thoughts
I'm sure the people of Viet Nam, Iraq, and Afghanistan all supported our violent oppression of those countries as well - in polls of course.Polling results make it OK to attack and completely ruin the homes and lands of other peoples. Gee, do you think we're still a colonialist country?
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Comment #4 posted by Sam Adams on January 05, 2013 at 08:42:00 PT
did some poking around
Apparently these numbers are from a report released in November by some Mexican Competitiveness Institute.So basically, this one think tank - in Mexico - put these numbers out. Now it's apparently the gospel truth in the mainstream media that Mexicans are firmly against legal marijuana.I say BS!!! Consider that the banks, law enforcement, military, and all govt. branches are corrupted by the cartels in Mexico. I'm not buying this crap for one minute.Mexicans are Spanish - Spain the most cannabis-friendly country on earth right now. What's up with that? The Catholics are running Spain as well.Don't tell me these poor, third-world people want this militaristic oppression to continue. That's absurd.
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Comment #3 posted by The GCW on January 05, 2013 at 08:21:12 PT
Catholics disagree with God
About that,"""A poll released in November" showed 79% of Mexicans opposed to cannabis legalization-0-The Catholic church influence may have something to do with that. It is interesting that God indicates He created all the seed bearing plants saying they're all good (on the 1st page of the Bible -in fact) and the Catholic church says cannabis is not good.
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Comment #2 posted by Sam Adams on January 05, 2013 at 07:52:55 PT
LA Times fuzzy math
20-25% of the Mexican cartels' revenue is from cannabis? Haven't American criminal justice authorities been estimating that number at 50-75% for several years now?  I believe it was the Arizona Attorney General who gave the 70% figure?And what about this:"A poll released in November" showed 79% of Mexicans opposed to cannabis legalization.  Isn't that wonderful? Not a single word of citation as to the source of the poll. Perhaps the LA Times pulled it out of their ***?How is the Mexican population polled? By land line phone? Cell? What percentage of the population has these? Putative "poll results" are the modern-day propaganda gold standard, used to justify all manner of evil against people. Similar to the way scripture or religious decree would be cited in the past.
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Comment #1 posted by The GCW on January 05, 2013 at 06:41:28 PT
Backwards thinking = murder
So about 60,000 Mexicans have been murdered due (in large part) to the war on cannabis and columnist Sergio Aguayo called the broadening legalization movement in the United States a "slap in the face"What words does He use to refer to that which has actually killed 60,000 of His countrymen? There is some backwards thinking here. Backwards thinking will deliver another 10,000 dead, in the next year, again.Perhaps a slap is better than a beheading.
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