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WAMMfest Asks for Smoking Exception, Again
Posted by CN Staff on September 15, 2009 at 04:49:27 PT
By Genevieve Bookwalter
Source: Santa Cruz Sentinel
Santa Cruz -- Santa Cruz leaders should decide Sept. 22 whether to lift the city's smoking ban in San Lorenzo Park for the third year in a row and allow medical marijuana patients to smoke in designated tents during the annual WAMMfest celebration.The decision comes two weeks after the City Council passed sweeping no-smoking bans for the entire city, including Pacific Avenue, Beach Street, Santa Cruz Municipal Wharf and all city parks. Some parks, including San Lorenzo, already were off-limits to smoking.
WAMM's request includes permission to errect a special tent to accommodate members of its nonprofit collective -- many of whom are terminally ill -- if they need to light up during the event. Another tent would be available to medical marijuana patients with proper patient identification."We just hope to have a great time in the park," said Valerie Corral, co-founder of Wo/Men's Alliance for Medical Marijuana, which sponsors the annual WAMMfest. "Create a day where there's low stress and fun for people."However, Corral acknowledged the group is rebounding from last year's event, where city leaders nearly denied WAMM's request for an exception to the smoking ban as the festival has a reputation for attracting out-of-town visitors who spoke pot recreationally on the park's expansive lawn. In addition, after the event a child-care provider for WAMMfest was identified as a registered sex offender. Corral said WAMM has vowed those problems won't happen again. Meanwhile, some city leaders are noncommittal on whether they would grant a third exception. Last year the council first split the vote on whether to grant a similar request, as one member was out sick and others said they supported the cause, but not the venue. After much discussion WAMM's request was granted the following week.This year, "we're going to have to make sure they reduce their impact of secondhand smoke as much as everyone else," Councilman Ryan Coonerty said. "The law was meant to cover all secondhand smoke, and secondhand smoke at WAMMfest is part of it."WAMMfest also pits two of Santa Cruz's competing values against each other, as Council members two weeks ago unanimously approved expanding no-smoking rules to overwhelming public approval. But seven years ago Santa Cruz allowed WAMM to hand out medical marijuana on City Hall steps after federal drug enforcement agents raided their North Coast farm, and voters in 2006 directed police to make marijuana enforcement their lowest priority.Police at last year's event said they had no problems, and WAMM provided its own security. Corral said the group will do the same this year. Police spokesman Zach Friend said on Monday that his department does not plan to increase patrols for WAMMfest.Source: Santa Cruz Sentinel (CA)Author: Genevieve Bookwalter Published: September 15, 2009Copyright: 2009 Santa Cruz SentinelContact: editorial santa-cruz.comURL: http://drugsense.org/url/uZw7LMzUWebsite: http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/CannabisNews Medical Marijuana Archiveshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/list/medical.shtml
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Comment #67 posted by FoM on September 22, 2009 at 10:05:18 PT
Off Topic: Herbdoc215
I wasn't sure how to let you know so I found this thread and hope you check it out. I didn't want my Rottie to keep the name he was registered under but I thought I couldn't do anything about it. Then I got an e-mail from the AKC saying that I can change the name of my registered dog one time if it meets the requirements and he did. We love Neil Young and the first concert where Stick and I saw Neil Young was his concert/play called Greendale. I called the AKC to determine that the name change could be what we wanted and they checked and said it's available. His new AKC registered name will be: Greendale's Four Strong Winds. I thought you would appreciate this story.http://ourrott.webs.com/
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Comment #66 posted by yoshi on September 17, 2009 at 22:22:35 PT:
Great those pictures are fake
Glad to see the pro-war, international banker, drug prohibition party is still in charge. Any discontent must be racist
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Comment #65 posted by FoM on September 17, 2009 at 15:55:58 PT
A Victory in the House of Representatives
By David Borden on Thursday, September 17, 2009 Update: Souder concession speech -- "... I was probably going to lose today." It's an interesting glimpse into the prohibitionist mindset.Today the US House of Representatives passed a student loan bill that includes language limiting the infamous "Aid Elimination Penalty" -- a law stripping students of financial aid because of drug convictions -- to include only sales convictions, not possession. The law was previously limited to offenses committed while attending school and receiving federal financial aid. If the Senate follows suit, on this reform or something similar, it will be limited yet again.Yesterday we alerted our members that Rep. Mark Souder, the author of the law, was planning to offer an amendment on the House floor to strip out the language and keep his law the way it is now. Souder withdrew the amendment before it came to a vote. Check back at Drug War Chronicle for further info tonight or tomorrow.It's not a done deal until it passes the Senate, until it survives the conference committee, and then until the larger bill it is part of passes both chambers of Congress in its final form. But things are looking good. We including me personally have been working on this for 11 years, and this is a big day for us. Thank you to everyone who took action, this week or before, to help make this possible.URL: http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle_blog/2009/sep/17/a_victory_in_the_house_of_repres
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Comment #64 posted by dongenero on September 17, 2009 at 13:51:35 PT
NJ police say pot plants growing on High Street
Someone trying to overgrow Millville, NJ.
Heh he.http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090917/ap_on_fe_st/us_odd_high_street_1
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Comment #63 posted by FoM on September 17, 2009 at 13:36:21 PT
Thank You!
I am so happy to have an intelligent, slow to anger President. How can people hate him for those qualities? I am comfortable that he thinks things out before he reacts.
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Comment #62 posted by BGreen on September 17, 2009 at 13:24:41 PT
True, FoM re: post 60
However, don't you think that these easily excitable (and apparently not too bright) people are being used as pawns by the wealthy?I know it's true.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #61 posted by dongenero on September 17, 2009 at 13:24:34 PT
who is protesting what
I think health care reform protesters at the DC 9/12 event are largely just protesting Obama, period. All and everything Obama.Here's a head shaker, the health care reform protester who was injured in town hall melee....get this....has no healthcare! After he was injured protesting healthcare reform, he was soliciting help paying his medical bills.
Go figure. This is the level of intelligence we are talking about. http://www.cynical-c.com/?p=13923Point is, I think you are absolutely correct, most people supposedly protesting reform are, in reality, clueless on the issue.The Billionaires for Wealthcare are satirically representing elite insurance company executives.
They would be the billionaires opposed to reforming the current system of ever growing profits and redistribution of citizen's earnings to the ultra-wealthy and getting wealthier.
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Comment #60 posted by FoM on September 17, 2009 at 13:09:03 PT
Just a Thought
Most of the people who are so angry about health care reform don't seem like they are wealthy but just the opposite. Maybe I am wrong but that's what it seems to me.
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Comment #59 posted by greenmed on September 17, 2009 at 12:57:31 PT
Billionaires for Wealthcare
Absolutely brilliant!
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Comment #58 posted by FoM on September 17, 2009 at 12:46:38 PT
dongenero
That was great! It made me smile!Let them eat advil! I love it!
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Comment #57 posted by dongenero on September 17, 2009 at 12:24:40 PT
Last one - the song- Billionaires for HC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy1Y-4OwJxQDon't let the backward people get you down.
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Comment #56 posted by dongenero on September 17, 2009 at 12:14:53 PT
Some funny signs for download
Large PDF downloads for printinghttp://www.billionairesforwealthcare.com/signs/
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Comment #55 posted by dongenero on September 17, 2009 at 12:07:34 PT
Billionaires for Wealthcare -more levity and sense
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHVwrCzRUX0http://www.billionairesforwealthcare.com/
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Comment #54 posted by dongenero on September 17, 2009 at 12:03:09 PT
9/12 DC protest - counter protest and faked photo
Here are some links to counter the despair for our country's future, caused by the ignorant dregs of society at the 9/12 protest.Billionaires for Wealthcarehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NDzA7nChB4Overhead Capitol photo of 9/12 protest fake, years old picture from another event.http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2009/09/14/that-photo-of-the-912-march-on-washington-its-fake/http://www.drudge.com/news/125133/tea-protest-crowd-photo-fakehttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/14/912-tea-party-photo-false_n_286082.html
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Comment #53 posted by FoM on September 17, 2009 at 11:41:58 PT
RIP Dear Mary
Where Have All The Flowers Gone? Livehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYii6nxhvUk
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Comment #52 posted by FoM on September 17, 2009 at 11:37:09 PT
Hope
God Bless and keep you during your trying times. You brought tears to my eyes. Pray that God keeps Obama safe. I can't bare to lose another President I truly respect. Obama means even more to me then JFK did. That is how much Stick and I care and worry about him.
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Comment #51 posted by Hope on September 17, 2009 at 11:22:10 PT
That video.
I feel surrounded by those people. It's a horrible feeling.While I don't know about other states, what BGreen says verifies that what I feel about some of the people in Missouri is true. Here if they disagree with me, they pretty much laugh at me and ignore me... mostly. But there, they get up in my face and seem to think it their imperial duty to "Correct" me... because I'm so stupid and so wrong and I think, even because I'm from Texas. This whole thing is pretty scary to me. I feel like some of these people would enjoy kicking and stomping me to death and the rest would let it happen because they see me as some kind of evil because I voted for a different candidate than they did. I can't imagine a single good Samaritan among them. They think people who disagree with them should die. I saw an awful email yesterday where someone claimed to have extra tickets to a wonderful event in Beaumont Texas where Evel Kneivel's son would attempt to jump Obama supporters with a large bulldozer. I find that frightening that people could think that was funny. Roman Collisium murder and torture and mayhem thinking, no doubt.I think it's because of the work of Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Hannity and the rest of them. I've never seen anything like it. I think it's because we've never seen anything like these celebrity hypnotizing radio and TV personalities. There's never been anything like them before except in some political pulpits... like Stalin's and Hitler's. They have the power to take these people's ability to think rationally like nothing else I've ever seen in my life.Their ignorance and irrationality and fire are a mob mentality that has spread widely because of the power of the Becks and Limbaughs. I am afraid of them. How can they be so ignorant as to not have noticed that we've had a drug "czar" for decades. They never heard of a Czar in American government before now? Why? My Lord! Suddenly, they are in an uproar over it and they claim they never noticed it before this administration? I'd never, ever want to find myself in a group of more than ten of them. I do think they will hurt and kill people before this is settled down.I'm nearly in tears thinking of it. Real tears... not Glen Beck professional showman tears.
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Comment #50 posted by museman on September 17, 2009 at 10:18:04 PT
FoM
You are so welcome.
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Comment #49 posted by FoM on September 17, 2009 at 10:09:18 PT
Thank you Museman
I really appreciate your music and so does Stick.
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Comment #48 posted by FoM on September 17, 2009 at 10:00:56 PT
Thanks BGreen and Museman
I love our country. I recently have met some wonderful people dedicated to their own Rotties. I know they are just dog people but what a pleasure it has been. The way these people on that youtube video are acting make me feel terrible inside. That's not what I want for my country.
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Comment #47 posted by museman on September 17, 2009 at 09:59:13 PT
Madmen in high places
A song.My very first multi-track recordingLyrics and download
Madmen In High Places
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Comment #46 posted by museman on September 17, 2009 at 09:39:22 PT
Bgreen
"The only difference right now is that these nuts have the freedom to speak out that we were robbed of by Bush threatening to make us disappear forever without trial."And why (rhetorically speaking) is that? Could it be because the real power behind politics -regardless of elections and the 'will of the people'- is still in power? (I'm not talking about the few people in politics who have motivations a bit higher than club med)Believe me, I would be hard put to not celebrate should justice ever find its way into the mainstream. But wait- it seems to me that the fact that these people are dredged up from the couches in front of their TV sets, and the case of beer in the refridgerator to whine and complain about not getting their way after decades of having it, is a good sign that justice might actually be being served. Now if it can only get served up to the filthy rich before they can plant another bush in high places, progress would actually be measurable.END CANNABIS APARTHEID
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Comment #45 posted by museman on September 17, 2009 at 09:25:34 PT
FoM
"What is wrong with political leaders that don't tell their followers to act with civility?"What is wrong with them is ALL of their motivations for being there in the first place.The blind leading the blind never went anywhere except in circles.
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Comment #44 posted by BGreen on September 17, 2009 at 09:09:56 PT
Jimmy Carter is 100% Correct about Racism
EVERYBODY in my family and Mrs. Green's family, besides us, voted for McCain-Palen, easily the most incompetent duo since Bush/Cheney, and as much as I love our families, it was ALL based on racism and it makes me sick!One of the whines I heard over and over after the election is how unfair it was that 95% of African-Americans voted for Obama, and that they were racist for voting for Obama just because he was black and he wouldn't have won any other way.Instead of just ignoring this nonsensical sore loser rhetoric, I had to counter their nonsense with a dose of truth.When pressed to answer "do you believe that at least 10% of white voters voted for McCain because he's white?," they all readily accept the plausibility of that scenario.That's when I drop a little fact bomb to my highly ignorant family about African-American voters.In 2000, 90% of the African-American vote went to Gore. That means that only 5% more African-American voters voted for the Democratic candidate Obama than for Gore, possibly one the "whitest" Democratic candidates (along with Kerry) in recent memory.The only difference right now is that these nuts have the freedom to speak out that we were robbed of by Bush threatening to make us disappear forever without trial.We must not let these ignorant nuts, no matter if they are family, prevail against the progress we've made.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #43 posted by FoM on September 17, 2009 at 09:00:40 PT
Museman
I find it very hard to watch the news these days. Hatred isn't a motivating factor in anything I do so why would I twist my own brain watching them? I wait for Republican leaders to rebuke them but they don't. I know when McCain told the lady she was wrong calling Obama a Muslim that I felt kindly towards him. What is wrong with political leaders that don't tell their followers to act with civility?
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Comment #42 posted by museman on September 17, 2009 at 08:52:45 PT
FoM
Lets throw their "Patriot Act" back at them. Their words and actions against Obama constitute very real threats to the 'health, safety, security, and 'freedom'' of the Nation and its citizens.They are 'anti-american.' Are there any 'lawyers' out there with any kind of fortitude? Lets have some 'prosecution' towards these anti-patriotic actions.I won't hold my breath. Unless they can see money. or increased social/political status in it, it won't happen. Unfortunately, we are just going to have to actively ignore them, going on about the business of initiating freedom, but keeping a wary eye on their antics so we know if and when to duck. FREE MOTA FOR EVERYONE
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Comment #41 posted by FoM on September 17, 2009 at 08:41:14 PT
Museman
I will gladly forgive anyone who sees the light and realizes that these kind of actions never help our country. Being civil in America should be how we act.
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Comment #40 posted by FoM on September 17, 2009 at 08:37:15 PT
Museman
I worry about these lunatics, and using that word isn't something I say lightly, trying to hurt President Obama. They are more then protesting a cause. Hate causes good people to get killed because of people like them.
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Comment #39 posted by museman on September 17, 2009 at 08:34:30 PT
FoM
The Taliban?I can see the resemblance. All bigotry, racism, religiosity, fascism, prejudice, and fanaticism wears the same masks.But these are 'our' people, they live next door. They serve us food (hope they don't spit in it.) Some of them might even be in our families.Ultimately we will have to forgive them in ways they never extended to us, and that will be hard for some of us -including me- but if we ever hope to rise above this national morass of empowering all the wrong people for all the wrong reasons, it will have to be done.At least they've let the world know where they stand, so we can prepare for their worst.
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Comment #38 posted by museman on September 17, 2009 at 08:24:50 PT
the 'march'
I have a challenge for anyone who thinks that this contrived 'action' represents in any way the national attitudes.Try and find an African American, Mexican American, Asian American, Native American, or a Hippy (not a conservative, short-bearded 'longish haired' meth head like the one in the video) anywhere in that video..Not one American minority is present.
(that i could see- I admit to only watching about half, the nausea was just too much)LEGALIZE MARIJUANA
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Comment #37 posted by FoM on September 17, 2009 at 08:21:32 PT
Museman
When I saw the little I did of that video all I thought of was the Taliban. They seem just like them to me.
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Comment #36 posted by museman on September 17, 2009 at 08:14:26 PT
FoM#34
I couldn't watch it for long either.What a collection of 'people!'I have to say though, that it does my heart good to see them on the defensive. Now they get to know what we've felt like since the '60's, and all our efforts to protest the real 'insanity' of racist, white, religious right, control of our lives and times since forever. Let them go 'demonstrate' in the 'designated area' for a change.They've been uncovered for the world to see, and now they are just further proving what 'intellectually challenged' small-minded ignorants that they really are.There is obviously a lot of money backing their efforts, a lot of them probably got paid to do it.The comments are probably more revealing than the pictures.The one that got me was;"Fatties with guns comin' at ya!"FREE CANNABIS FOREVERBTW, as far as i an concerned, this makes me feel a lot better about Obama. I mean if he can stir up this much slime by just trying to do his job, he's gotta be doin something right!
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Comment #35 posted by dongenero on September 17, 2009 at 07:45:11 PT
Re: Souder - Message from Micah Daigle-
Micah Daigle, Executive Director
Students for Sensible Drug PolicyJust a few hours after I asked for your help with restoring financial aid to students with drug convictions, SSDP's alumni director sent me an e-mail that you just have to read. Here's a snippet:"Micah, I was just calling Congressional offices, and I had the this conversation with a staff member: Me: This is Tyler Smith with Students for Sensible Drug Policy, we're a non-profit that represents tens of thousands of students across the country concerned with the HEA Drug Penalty. I'm calling about the SAFRA bill, specifically the Souder Amend... Sara: Yep. Me: Oh you're familiar with the issue? Sara: Yes, we've been getting slammed with calls all day! Me: Are they mostly against the amendment? Sara: Yup, they're all on your side. Me: Alright, well do you need any more information or are you covered? Sara: We got all we need, I'll talk to Rep. Peterson tomorrow. Me: Thanks for your time!"Congress isn't just getting flooded with calls from SSDP members. The broad coalition pushing for reform includes such diverse organizations as the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), the Association for Addiction Professionals, and the United Methodist Church!The vote is happening this afternoon (Thurs, Sept 17), so we have time for one final push.
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Comment #34 posted by FoM on September 17, 2009 at 07:29:36 PT
Just a Note
I can't find any news to post so far but this Youtube video is being discussed in my CA E-Mail group. I only watched a few minutes because it made me feel ashamed and made me feel sick. I thought some here might want to check it out. Protest Videohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPMjC9mq5Y
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Comment #33 posted by FoM on September 17, 2009 at 05:49:40 PT
MMJ Advocates Take Bill Fight To TV Ads
Medical Marijuana Advocates Take Bill Fight To TV Ads; Stymied by TV Affiliates Who Won't Air ThemBy Glenn Bain, Daily News Staff WriterThursday, September 17th 2009Albany, NY -- Just say yes!That's the message a national pro-pot group is taking to New York's airwaves with a pair of commercials urging state lawmakers to pass a medical marijuana bill."We figured it was time to bring some attention to this," said Bruce Mirken, spokesman for the Marijuana Policy Project.Snipped:URL: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2009/09/17/2009-09-17_pot_pal_advocates_ads_stoned_by_tv_affiliates.html#ixzz0RMqETlKA
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Comment #32 posted by ekim on September 16, 2009 at 19:40:04 PT
Swiss fed to there cows #17
wonder what ever became of all that history.http://www.drugwarrant.com/2009/09/action-alert-souder-is-at-it-again-2/#commentsMore at Stop the Drug WarOur nemesis in Congress, arch-drug warrior Mark Souder, is at it again. Earlier this year, the House Education & Labor Committee passed a student aid bill including language to scale back his infamous financial aid/drug conviction law. The new version of the law would only count sales convictions — a great step forward, though we still want full repeal. More than 200,000 students already have lost aid for college because of drug convictions.Tomorrow, we’re told, Rep. Souder will offer an amendment on the floor of the House of Representatives, seeking to have this good language stripped from the final version of the bill. PLEASE CALL YOUR REPRESENTATIVE AND ASK THAT HE OR SHE VOTE NO ON SOUDER’S AMENDMENT TO THE STUDENT AID BILL. Students should not lose access to college because of drug possession convictions! The bill is called SAFRA, the Student Aid and Fiscal Responsibility Act, H.R. 3221.To reach your Representative (or find out who your Rep is), call the Congressional Switchboard at (202) 224-3121. When the receptionist in your representative’s office answers the phone, politely say something like the following:“My name is _____ and I’d like Rep. ___ to vote against Rep. Souder’s amendment to the Student Aid and Fiscal Responsibility Act, which would deny educational opportunities to students with minor drug possession convictions. Blocking access to education causes more drug problems and hurts the economy. Thank you.”
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Comment #31 posted by FoM on September 16, 2009 at 19:07:32 PT
herbdoc215
His father is beautiful. My first Rott German and was shorter and wider and a powerhouse. She went in the Semi with us all over the USA. She could leap up, kick off the step and into the seat then jump in the bunk with the greatest of ease. Our new Rottie is more towards the taller and leaner American standard. I think he won't go oversize since they stop growing upward by his age. He is the tallest he can be without going out of standard. I think tracking and rescue would be something that Stick and I would enjoy getting involved in. He would probably do well pulling a cart for fun. They are a great breed of dog.
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Comment #30 posted by herbdoc215 on September 16, 2009 at 18:50:53 PT
FoM,
sorry about myspace...I thought everybody had a page there, my kids got me to using it and it's easy for finding people?
Dartanian is about 110 lbs.now and medium height like most german rotts but he'll get bigger. His dad is a sight to see, is a German champion and has his own page...
http://www.germanrottweilers.net/BobbyVomWachberg/bobby-Main.asp Dartanian should be a little bigger than him even as his mom Jari Von Shipman is a pretty big female (I've never been able to bring myself to refer to them as bitches as it seems so derogitory?) You and stick should attend a couple of USRC/shutzhund shows and see how much fun the dogs and all the people are having...it's pretty infectious :) peace, steve
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Comment #29 posted by FoM on September 16, 2009 at 18:01:34 PT
herbdoc215
It took me a while to figure out how to view the pics since I haven't really been on My Space but I did sign up and finally found the info I needed. He is beautiful. How much does he weigh at 10 months? How tall is he? Mufasa is 27 inches now and probably weighs near 120 since he has put on so much weight this past month. When we took him to the Vet when we first got him he weighed 102 pounds. We just tried to trim his nails but I think as big as he is and powerful we will take him to the Vet. No sense in getting into a rumble with him. He's way stronger then we are so sometimes it's best to do it the safe way for his and our concern.
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Comment #28 posted by herbdoc215 on September 16, 2009 at 17:13:38 PT
FoM, there are pix of Dartanian on
my Myspace page under Steven Tuck, in the rotty family pix file...I would link to them but I don't know how? We have Miss Kitty, a huge 20lb+ white persian cat that adapted us before Dartanian got here and they were buddies from the first second, amazed me as I thought they would fight, but she thinks she is a dog anyway...he just gets frustrated cause she knows better than to run when he wants to chase her? They sure make a funny pair hanging out together. Properly socialized rotties can be taught to live with anything in my experience.
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.editAlbumPhoto&albumID=1267298&imageID=15155027 peace, steve
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Comment #27 posted by FoM on September 16, 2009 at 16:20:54 PT
herbdoc215
I found the link before you posted it! LOL! They are beautiful dogs. Do you have any pictures of your dog? I would love to see them. I mean that when I said you made my day. Thank you for the compliment on my dog. Stick and I were still crying but I started looking for another dog the night we had to put Kaptin down. That was on a Monday. On Thursday I found the ad and contacted her right away. We bought him on Friday and brought him home. He is a sheer pleasure to be around. We have close to a 5 foot fence that runs the front of our fenced yard and he saw our cats and from a stand still leaped up and had all 4 feet on the top of the fence like a tight rope walker and we yelled and he dropped back gently into the yard as gracefully as he leaped up. We keep him on a retractable 26 foot line since he did that. He must have great hips! LOL! He is getting used to the cats but last night an adult cat came up to the fence and hissed at him. I said to Stick if he ever gets over that fence I pity the cat that tormented him. LOL!
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Comment #26 posted by herbdoc215 on September 16, 2009 at 16:03:47 PT
FoM, Thats a fine looking dog there...
and I'm sure god saw you both needed each other. It's amazing how gentle and empathic they are despite their size isn't it? People who run puppy mills deserve a special place in hell if you ask me! Thank God for people like you to take him into a home a rescue him. I've had several cast-off rotts in my past and never had one yet that wasn't special in his own way. We feed Dog Lovers Gold plus fish oil and algae supplements...but I've always used RAW before and probably will put him on it in the future but Dartanians breeder got me using the above and it seems to be working 100% as he's glowing with health/happiness.
Me and Greg got lucky and met this woman near here in Washington who is a great german style breeder/show pro... http://vonshipmanrotts.com/
Kelly knows her stuff and has some great dogs...she hooked me up with one of her best prospects also. I am still working on him getting car sick, real bad...and Dartanian should start showing in a few months. More work :) but he loves the training so I play along, plus I'm getting to meet some really neat new people around the shows and training. More folks to convert to our cause ;)
I'll keep an eye out for ya there and comment. peace, steve
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Comment #25 posted by FoM on September 16, 2009 at 15:58:29 PT
herbdoc215
I said my new Rott came from a puppy mill but he was an outside male bought to use for breeding and they just had too many dogs so since males don't make the money like a breeding female he was put up for sale. That's how we found him and quickly bought him. There I feel better.
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Comment #24 posted by FoM on September 16, 2009 at 15:29:34 PT
herbdoc215
You made my day. I go by my name so please comment sometime on a thread. I am posting on Good Food Suggestions right now. I love our new boy. He is wonderful. He came from a puppy mill and didn't have a good life. He just fathered 19 pups out of two females and he is AKC registered but the females aren't. They are purebred but no papers which to me was a dumb thing to do. I know God sent him our way after losing Kaptin. Here are pictures of our new fella. He has great lines on his mother's side and a few names I recognize on his father's side but he is just a love.http://ourrott.webs.com/
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Comment #23 posted by FoM on September 16, 2009 at 15:11:37 PT
dongenero
I couldn't find an article but I did find this on Stop The Drug War.ALERT: Crucial Vote on Souder's Law Happening TomorrowURL: http://stopthedrugwar.org/alerts/college_aid
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Comment #22 posted by herbdoc215 on September 16, 2009 at 15:07:33 PT
Rotts are great therapy dogs...
We've always had rottie's and consider them the best, smartest, deepest emotional dogs there are. These dogs have saved my sanity many times and have taught me as much as I have them, we treat them as family. I too have found their diet has much to do with their health later in life, especially rotts as they grow so fast and get so big. My dog eats better than I do :)
My son Greg and I are shutzhund training a 10 month old male pup now, Dartanian Von Shipman who is going a be a great dog, his brother and sister have both won shows, but his love is the best part of my day. I also go to the same Rott forum you do and think it's a great way to share info on the breed and training. Like cannabis, breeding and genetics are everything if we want quality. peace, steve
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Comment #21 posted by dongenero on September 16, 2009 at 14:44:41 PT
Souder at it again
http://ssdp.org/urgent/Students for Sensible Drug Policy have an urgent notice of voting tomorrow in the House.Apparently Souder is proposing an amendment to the Student Aid and Fiscal Responsibility Act,(which the Democrats had fixed earlier this year to remove such penalties), to reinstate his denial of student access to education when they've had a drug conviction.Amazing, the clowns people vote into the House of Representatives. Are they putting stupid sauce in the water supply of Ft Wayne,IN ?
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Comment #20 posted by FoM on September 16, 2009 at 12:45:23 PT
Sam
Thank you. I agree. I am reading about feeding Raw. Animal health should be a wakeup call when they get sick and die from cancer. They are like the canary in the coal mine. Rotts have allergies and most of it I am learning is from what is sold as top quality food. I am converting him to a food they recommended on the forum called Taste of The Wild. It doesn't have stuff in it that shouldn't be there. http://www.tasteofthewildpetfood.com/
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Comment #19 posted by Sam Adams on September 16, 2009 at 12:25:44 PT
dogs & cancer
Start by not vaccinating every year. They only need the non-rabies core vaccines every 5-7 years, not every year.Also do not use Heartguard in the winter, and minimize the use of flea and tick chemicals. I found an excellent herbal alternativeAnd most dog food is complete garbage. Feed human food when possible or the best dog food you can afford.
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Comment #18 posted by FoM on September 16, 2009 at 11:49:42 PT
Storm Crow
I wonder that too. Maybe when it's legal and people can talk about what they try we might find out it helps. There are people who are in my state that are doing tracking and rescue work and we might go and see what it's all about next spring. He watches TV with us particularly Cesar Millan and any animal program on tv. He is really funny. He watched 2 hours of Blue Planet without barely blinking and eye. When we took him to the Vet for a check up they had a fish tank and he went up to it and just watched the fish. He is great emotional therapy for Stick and me.
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Comment #17 posted by Storm Crow on September 16, 2009 at 11:37:05 PT
Rotts and cancer
I wonder if that trend could be eliminated by adding a bit of cannabis to their Friskies? I have read of folks adding it to their dog's food after their dog got sick (and it eased the dog's pain), but so far as I know, no one is using it as a preventative.
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Comment #16 posted by FoM on September 16, 2009 at 10:58:03 PT
Dongenero
The paraphernalia laws were put on the books when they decriminalized marijuana back in the 70s. Head shops got rid of about everything. The reason was that if they make marijuana a minor issue they wanted to make it hard for anyone to smoke it. Necessity is the mother of invention but they didn't think that far.
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Comment #15 posted by FoM on September 16, 2009 at 10:53:41 PT
Off Topic: My Rottie
Since news is slow and news on TV is yucky I am having so much fun with our new dog. I have met the nicest people on an excellent Rottweiler forum and they are helping me with just about everything. Everyday someone else posts about how they had to put their Rottie down from cancer. They get cancer as they get up in years. I love having this gentle giant in our home and Stick and I are just overjoyed with him. He has put on a lot of weight since we got him. He's all muscle. He looks like he might be near 120 plus pounds already and will fill out until he is 3. I got a dog that is almost the size of a little pony! LOL!http://ourrott.webs.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=52377796
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Comment #14 posted by rainbow on September 16, 2009 at 10:47:54 PT
Vaporizers
The big reason they are not used much is simply cost. I have seen them for 7-8 hundred dollars. How am I going to afford that when papers and one hits are cheaper??They will continue to be expensive as long as prohibition continues or the makers take less profit.
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Comment #13 posted by FoM on September 16, 2009 at 09:15:52 PT
dongenero
I know. I am happy with our laws because they don't chase people over marijuana. Why waste time on something with such a low priority?
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Comment #12 posted by museman on September 16, 2009 at 09:07:57 PT
Hope #9
"Free speech and the right to petition the government are obviously two of the most powerful tools for controling the growth and overreaching of government, although they do seem weak. Still, with enough people using those tools... it seems it's the best thing we've got."The 'weakness' as you correctly point out, is in the involvement of the people.Too many believe in authority and resource outside themselves. Petitioning for our liberties seems a little in denial of all the hype and propaganda shoveled down the world media throat, about the 'free american people.' I mean if we are already free, and have all these rights, where is the need to petition for them?The facts are of course, that these supposedly 'inherent' liberties, and 'inalienable rights' are withheld by the actual ruling powers for themselves, almost exclusively, through economics, and social programming. That most of the populace follows leaders -irregardless of their 'qualifications' to lead, makes it pretty easy for the dictates of the Status Quo to be applied without much resistance from the populace. When they got more than 50% believing in the BS, the BS becomes common practice. If it's practiced long enough, it becomes statistical proof of its 'reality' and necessity. When the people really realize that we are the power, and take up the initiative process, the end of bureaucracy, government waste, and economic imbalance is on the horizon. As long as the sheeple continue to accept the dictates of a non-representative, false authority, and corrupt government, the Empire rules.LEGALIZE FREEDOM
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Comment #11 posted by dongenero on September 16, 2009 at 08:13:58 PT
FoM
When talk is of "decriminalization", I don't think many really appreciate the fact that in Ohio 1/4 lb of cannabis is only a civil infraction with $100 fine.In the news it is often presumed the sky will fall if another state proposes such laws for as little as 1 oz of cannabis.The paraphernalia law in Ohio is an interesting disconnect.
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Comment #10 posted by FoM on September 16, 2009 at 07:32:17 PT
paraphernalia
In my state if a person gets caught with paraphernalia you might go to jail. If you have under 100 grams of cannabis you won't go to jail.
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Comment #9 posted by Hope on September 16, 2009 at 07:23:43 PT
FiddleMan and Dongenero
Vaporizer talk has to happen. The problem seems to be either the paraphenalia question or antis just can't bear to admit such a thing exists and if they do... they likely believe that there are still "noxious" and invisible fumes from it that are trying to get them.How much government is too much is obviously a hard question. A big question and an important question.It's necessary, obviously, but it leaks out from the necessary places into the overreaching places. Regulating the regulaters is necessary, too. I guess that's greatly the citizens' job. Good government and keeping it within bounds. Not as simple and easy as it ought to be.Free speech and the right to petition the government are obviously two of the most powerful tools for controling the growth and overreaching of government, although they do seem weak. Still, with enough people using those tools... it seems it's the best thing we've got.
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Comment #8 posted by FoM on September 16, 2009 at 05:57:45 PT
How Weed Won the West
Legalize It. How Weed Won the West -- Trailer 1URL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CijHKZbBeuo
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Comment #7 posted by dongenero on September 15, 2009 at 13:04:27 PT
Regulation and consumer protection
should be a prime role for government, I think. The benevolence of unregulated capitalism is a fallacy.I think the latest financial and banking debacle shows the problems of large, powerful, unregulated, free markets.
When you remove regulations designed to keep them honest, the inevitable dishonesty and greed kick in. Witness the recent global economic meltdown. It could have been far worse and may not be over yet. There are a lot of bad derivatives out there still. Amounting to, quite possibly, over a quadrillion dollars in unregulated, and unaccounted derivative contracts. That a small number of elite crooks in an industry can do this much damage to our country, our economy, and the world, signifies a definite need for accountability and regulation.Utility companies are an example of regulated industry, regulated because of the large and critical role to consumers, the economy and national security. I can only imagine what utility costs would be if they were unregulated.The health insurance industry is basically unregulated and costs to consumers have generally doubled in the last 10 years. This will either be the next regulated industry or it will likely become the next bubble that collapses after a massive redistribution of wealth to the industry. Such a bubble would be ugly as it would go in hand with bankruptcy of many consumers and businesses who are/were insured.Anything too big to fail, is probably in need to regulation for obvious reasons (financial industry). One questio9n may be, is something that is too big to fail, also too big to effectively regulate?
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Comment #6 posted by FiddleMan on September 15, 2009 at 12:50:49 PT:
Vaporizer Question Again
Why can’t Vaporizers be used? It seems to me that Vaporizers would totally solve this issue. Is it because of paraphernalia laws?Surely the Wo/Men's Alliance for Medical Marijuana would prefer patients to use a Vaporizer instead of smoking - thus I can only assume that Vaporizers are outlawed at their event. Is it that Vaporizers are still illegal in Medical Cannabis States? That would be seriously wrong!
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Comment #5 posted by Hope on September 15, 2009 at 12:43:41 PT
Mail and packaging and delivery
can be done by privately owned networks and individuals and partnerships. Government could pull out of that.Should the Federal government control or subsidize business of any kind?Infrastructure?Health and Welfare?There are lots of things that government, and the Federal government in particular, are involved in, that it does not necessarily need to be involved with.Law Enforcement? Definitely... government. It's a necessity that should be used sparingly and wisely.Necessary prisons. Anybody that we don't need to be physically protected from should probably be on the paying of fines and judgments as "Punishments" for their wrongs against others.Traffic control? Government, probably.Weather forecasting? Privately done doesn't seem impossible.Air and water quality? Perhaps that could be privately done.Layers and layers of bureaucracies don't have to be piled and piled atop one another.
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Comment #4 posted by Hope on September 15, 2009 at 12:26:16 PT
Government
How much is too much?
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Comment #3 posted by Hope on September 15, 2009 at 12:25:07 PT
You're probably right, Museman.
"I don't think that the people who 'worry' about stuff like this are looking for solutions, they're looking for ways to make it more difficult, possibly ways to charge more fees and fines."
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Comment #2 posted by museman on September 15, 2009 at 09:22:13 PT
vaporizers
Are very cool, literally. I recommend the Volcano.I don't think that the people who 'worry' about stuff like this are looking for solutions, they're looking for ways to make it more difficult, possibly ways to charge more fees and fines.In the words of Squeaky Fromm (just recently released after 30+ years for shooting Ford)"(They're) not a public servant!"LEGALIZE FREEDOM
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Comment #1 posted by FiddleMan on September 15, 2009 at 09:09:07 PT:
Vaporizers?
Why can’t Vaporizers be used? It seems to me that Vaporizers would totally solve this issue.
Is it because of paraphernalia laws?Vaporizing is far superior to and much healthier than smoking!
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