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  Everybody Must Get Stoned?

Posted by CN Staff on June 18, 2009 at 06:44:41 PT
By R.V. Scheide  
Source: Sacramento News & Review 

California -- Maybe it’s just me, but whenever I find mainstream newspapers, cash-strapped politicians and libertarian think tanks all on the same page, I tend to get suspicious. Almost nothing good can come from this axis of weasels. Such is the case with the recent calls for legalizing marijuana, which is being billed as some sort of great awakening but in fact is nothing more than another attempt to pick the people’s pocket.
Oh yeah, we’ve come a long way, baby. Back in the 1980s, Reagan administration drug czar Carlton Turner informed us that “Marijuana leads to homosexuality, the breakdown of the immune system, and therefore to AIDS.” No doubt Turner would have to revise the statement in the present environment, perhaps something along the lines of “Marijuana leads to homosexuality … and therefore to gay marriage. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.”My point is, have any of these formerly square-headed yahoos actually considered the hard-core ramifications of out and out legalization of cannabis? According to surveys, some 100 million Americans say they’ve smoked weed. What happens when all of them spark up blunts at the same time? Do we even have the resources to support such an endeavor?For example, imagine 100 million people having a simultaneous attack of the munchies. Treasury bonds and Wall Street equities would suddenly pale in comparison to the breakfast cereal aisle at the local supermarket. There’d no doubt be a run on Cap’n Crunch, and Quaker Oats would have to start up a third shift to meet the demand. It’d be great for the food industry, but the already out-of-control obesity epidemic is certain to snowball.Visine stores would at first be stretched tighter than Joan Rivers’ face, before snapping back like an errantly hooked bungee cord. As is well-known, the national eyewash supply peaked in the 1970s, when widespread marijuana use first became prevalent. Visine sales would accelerate with the legalization of marijuana, then violently crash as everyone realizes that everyone else’s eyes are red, too.We can also expect the wages of glass blowers to plummet as the market becomes glutted with handmade smoking paraphernalia.Fortunately—and all kidding aside—cooler heads are prevailing for the moment, at least at the federal level. At first, I was disappointed when the U.S. Justice Department failed to intervene in the case of Charles Lynch, the Southern California medical-marijuana collective operator who was raided by the Drug Enforcement Administration in 2007, convicted in federal court last August and sentenced to one year and one day in federal prison last week. Now, I’m not so certain.Even though President Barack Obama pledged to leave medical-marijuana regulation up to the states during the campaign, even though Attorney General Eric Holder insists that it is now federal policy, even though I think Lynch and anyone else busted by the feds while operating entirely within state guidelines should be freed immediately, I now believe the slow and steady approach is appropriate, especially in the case of carte blanche legalization.Here’s why: Laugh if you must, but medical marijuana is no joke. It’s serious medicine that provides relief for countless maladies, from chronic pain to mental illness, for millions of people. Visit any medical-marijuana collective, and you’re going to find some very sick individuals. Many of these patients have been politically active in the cause for years, and collectively they’ve shaped a culture of caring and solidarity that’s the antithesis of mainstream medicine.To my mind, it is this culture of caring and solidarity that is really at stake here. California’s medical-marijuana policy did not appear overnight; it’s the product of decades of grassroots activism. Now that the economy’s gone south, everybody wants a piece of the action? It’s true that local, state and federal governments can rake in billions taxing cannabis. But with so much at stake, we may want to think twice before succumbing to the disingenuous whims of the very same fickle, desperate bureaucrats who got us into this mess in the first place.Note: When the going gets tough, politicians turn to pot, and they’re bound to screw it up.Source: Sacramento News & Review (CA)Author: R.V. Scheide Published: June 18, 2009Copyright: 2009 Chico Community Publishing, Inc.Contact: sactoletters newsreview.comWebsite: http://newsreview.com/sacto/URL: http://drugsense.org/url/82V7Xw3fCannabisNews -- Cannabis Archiveshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/list/cannabis.shtml

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Comment #60 posted by FoM on June 22, 2009 at 04:49:09 PT
Paint with light
I can tell you don't like Museman. I do my best to ignore people that think way differently them me but I respect their opinion. I know I cannot change people and how they view any given situation. Museman has been a real blessing to me. I think like he does in many aspects. I have always been a spiritual person and that is why I get what Museman is saying. If I looked at doing CNews and only saw right wing philosophies I would have thrown up my hands and walked away a long time ago since it is alien to all that I believe. I do what I do because I feel I am suppose to to do. PS: That was a little flame about museman. He is a good guy.
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Comment #59 posted by Paint with light on June 21, 2009 at 21:48:24 PT
FoM
I was afraid my comment about "...a couple of dozen cops I would like to fire....except with real flames.", might be taken by you to be the same as the "go Ahead, make my day." comment from the "A Law Everyone.....", thread.I can understand how it might have been read another way.One thing bad about on line conversation is the lack of inflection.However.....since you mention it......I feel the mostly non-contact between me and the other fellow you mentioned has worked out pretty good. I don't let anything he says affect me.Everything is going so great for our movement, negative comments are shed easily.Living so close to the Amish as I do, I have learned the art of "shunning".I just try to stay on my message and add positive comments and suggestions.Now, if I could just learn to check my spelling better.Thanks for all you do.Legal like alcohol.
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Comment #58 posted by FoM on June 21, 2009 at 04:37:15 PT
Paint with light 
There is a difference in my mind in seeing somethng differently then another person and flaming. I think Obama said  we can disagree without being disagreeable. I know you and museman disagree on some issues but that's not flaming just disagreeing.
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Comment #57 posted by Paint with light on June 21, 2009 at 00:44:51 PT
flames as a metaphor
After reading the posts in another article I see the comment about flames could be taken literally.I do not advocate the harming of any individual or living creature unless in defense.I do not advocate violence, just violins.I hope my post did not cause any problems.It wasn't meant to.I don't give hate here.I try to respect the wishes of our moderator.My only aggenda is legal cannabis.Legal like alcohol. 
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Comment #56 posted by Paint with light on June 20, 2009 at 23:33:43 PT
rchandar
If cannabis was legalized and they quit locking people up, I wouldn't care who lost their job.I think any DEA agent is overpaid.I think they should abolish the DEA.If you ever listen to a police scanner for any length of time you will understand why I would say though, that police in general, are underpaid.A lot of them are on power trips but a lot of them aren't.Mind you I don't think they shoud be paid a cent for enforcing drug laws against cannabis.Police are called on all the time to intervene in domestic violence situations and to stop violent acts by psychotic individuals.Police have had to become the guys in the white coats(mental health professionals) because they deinstitutionalized the mental health system.They don't have to just deal with your predictable drunk or violent persson, they have to deal with drunks and violent people who are also out of touch with reality. I guarantee you that if the police get a call that your bipolar neighbor is off his meds and is holding someone you love hostage and threatening to cut their throat, because he thinks they are an agent of the government, 75K a year suddenly doesn't seem like so much if they can save your loved one's life.If cannabis were legal I would have no problem with most police I have met.Of course I have met a couple of dozen that I would like to fire....... with real flames.Legal like alcohol.
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Comment #55 posted by Paint with light on June 20, 2009 at 22:46:36 PT
Clarity
Prohibition = cannabis not legal.People can lock you up.Regulation and control = cannabis is legal.People can''t lock you up.With me so far?More important than "free" is not to lock people up.Now!My "investment" is seeing that people quit getting locked up...That people can get their medicine.....That people can have their cannabis recreation......That people can make products from cannabis.......The only way cannabis will be free in any sense of the word is if it is controled, regulated, and probably taxed.If their was even one voice(except one) that thought otherwise I might give the arguments against my beliefs credibility.Legal like alcohol.
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Comment #54 posted by museman on June 19, 2009 at 11:36:35 PT
rchandar
Understanding comes hard, as you obviously know, when there is all kinds of false and fragmented information and beliefs in the way. The adamancy of idiocracy has powerful backing with the Status Quo standards spewed forth from the media, regurgitated in the schools and churches, and waved like flags by the semi-literate who bask in the mistaken belief of their intellect.The situation of liberty, and personal choice, versus the Status Quo compromises of 'regulation and control' is like that little child in "The Emperors New Clothes" that innocently and honestly tries to inform everyone that the emperor is naked, but the incredible hype of status quo propoganda and the carrot-on-the-stick 'american dream' scenarios drown it out, suppress it, punish it, and fill up the air with words that seem to have meaning, but really only move the air around.The good news is, that for all the seeming presence of ignorance getting in the way of good solid movement in the direction the real people in our movement want it to go, the real progress and growth of consiousness is proceeding at a good pace, irregardless of the amount of denial and verbal stumbling blocks the status quo and their acolytes throw at us.There are some of us who understand that liberty and freedom do not come with external conditions -even though the powers and principalities will argue to the point of imprisoning you to prove otherwise- and that the terms themselves are unconditional in their intent and meaning. But like other fine concepts designated by word, they have been tampered with, and way too many have been led to believe in the corrupted definitions, and cannot see past the walls and limits placed on their consciousness by these sets of false conditions.So those of us who do see past the lies and confusion must, to some extent, 'bear the infirmities of the weak.' Patience for the ones who want to see, but are behind those walls still, but no quarter for those who want to perpetuate those walls and limitations to our liberties and freedom.It is important -and again, I see that you know this, to not celebrate pyrrhic victories handed out like coins to the crowd in the Royal Status Quo procession. There are those who want to stop at the first comfortable spot in the road, and argue against continuing on to the far goal. Its way too easy to get diverted into those roadside distractions- and the manipulators count on this. Clever twists that half-wits think humorous, that a fully functional, working intellect would ordinarily give no credence to, are raised by the half-wit constituents who serve their status quo masters like eager puppies, hoping for reward, and those plattitudes fill up the media, the classrooms, and every other institution regulated and controlled by the status quo. It can get real frustrating for one who is really attempting to make positive change.Though all eventualites in this reality that have any redeeming essence, originally came from 'wishful thinking' and 'dreaming' of something better, the status quo teachers and preachers will tell you something like "..wishing for a miracle like suddenly free cannabis doesn't work..." all to stifle the possibilities before they can take root,Well unfortunately for those ignorant and foolish supporters of mammon, the wish and dream is far beyond its initial inception, and has found its way into the hearts and minds of millions of people whose blindness towards reality is being healed, because they chose to see.Of course the ways and means of the Status Quo are going to seem to get first priority for a while yet, as the monstrosity known errantly as 'modern western civilization' begins to die. The death throws will cause a lot of damage yet, but that damage can be mitigated if those who can see clearly refuse to give ground to the dying beast.My brothers and sisters who walk on the earth with feet instead of concept, all know this, and just because they are busy walking on the earth, and not necessarily posting on forums, certainly does not lessen their potency or veracity.I have been in a minority all my life, first it was because I didn't relate to the bully/competition/power-tripping male egos of my youth, and then it was because I had too large of a vocabulary, and then it was because I was labelled a 'hippy.'-and smoked pot. I find it somewhat ironic to find myself in a minority in such a place as a forum dedicated to ending prohibition. Fortunately minorities are shifting around, so I expect it won't be long before I am not such a minority in my beliefs and knowledge.In a free society, all viewpoints are valid, in a regulated and controlled society, only the accredited -by the established standards of the Status Quo- are recognized as valid. As a free man, who holds my free cannabis in one hand (no thanks to all those who do not want me to have it) I am capable of concert with fellow free thinkers, but spend way too much of my time dealing with empty argumentation and very little intelligent discussion and debate.Ironicly I am expected to stumble backwards into the medieval darkness of ignorance, take part in useless banter of words -to somehow prove somebody's ego is more worthy- and though the left-brained limitations of consiousness have literally gone nowhere except downwards in the last 10,000 years people have been serving the Status Quo, it isn't 'acceptable' to question that situation, and any possibilities outside of the 'emperors handouts' are not only considered invalid, but here comes the labels, and the inferences, the inuendos, the judgements, and the accusations. I know, I'm human too, and the frustration of beating my head against these ancient walls that imprison consciousness sometimes gets the better of me, and I fall down into that game.It is necessary to keep prying at the mortar in those walls. Sometimes you got to smack it real hard to get it to give, and thats called using the truth, regardless of how much denial the opposition throws out, and how they paint it to look like the truth it is not.FoM likes to concentrate on the 'glass is half full' rather than half empty, and when it comes to hopes, and dreams, wishes, and reality changes, without that positive outlook, entropy wins. But I can see her 'half full glass' because it hasn't a host of negative conditions and 'requirements' attached to it, it just plain is.Many of the arguments we have to deal with are about whether that glass is half full or half empty, as if there was some substance to such a discourse, and these kinds of detracting 'arguments' must be allowed, unfortunately, because that is the nature of liberty and freedom. One must allow the ignorant to be ignorant, until they are no longer ignorant. The irony is that the ignorant won't extend the same courtesy to those who are not, but want them -to the point of 'law enforcement' to conform to their ignorance.Well, I can see the light at the end of the tunnel, while so many who claim to be on the side of liberty are trying to close down the tunnel as quick as they can, so nobody else can see that light.Lets not let them do that.FREE CANNABIS FOR EVERYONE
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Comment #53 posted by museman on June 19, 2009 at 10:08:12 PT
#40 clarity is easy for some, not for others
you said;"The only reason legalization isn't working is because it doesn't exist.
I don't understand how anyone could say something that doesn't exist isn't working."after I said;"Well, then I'd say neither one was working very well, Maybe something new and different, like plain old personal liberty?"which was in reference to;"We don't have regulation and control.
We have prohibition.And that has worked so well, so far. right? All that prohibition?"So where do you get the idea that I said "something that doesn't exist isn't working."Don't answer that, I don't care. Believe what you want.I Thank Ya you have no part in all that 'regulation and control' you are slavering over, or maybe thats really why you are so into it. Got some investment on the side?Here we go down that personal road of yours again.I just turned off, see ya.FREEDOM FOR THOSE WHO CAN HANDLE ITregulate and control the rest.
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Comment #52 posted by FoM on June 19, 2009 at 09:39:15 PT
rchandar
I have seen huge egos in this movement. It makes me wonder why people think they are so important. I believe life is what happens while we are making plans and we better learn to adapt. Humility will come from within us. If not on our own life will humble us. We as a country are not what we think we are. We aren't very important when you look at how big and complex the world is.
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Comment #51 posted by rchandar on June 19, 2009 at 09:31:02 PT:
FoM
Oh, and did we "win" anything?Did we "win" the War on Terror?We had eight years to catch our self-created grizzly terrorist Satan. How come he's still sending out videos threatening us? I thought we had the mightiest military in history.Did we "win" the WoD? Will we ever?How about global warming? Did we "win"?Darfur. Did we "win?"The problem is, Americans of all ages have a problem with "losing." They have trouble accepting it, basically because they-we--are the richest country in the history of mankind. So, expectations, goals, personality traits, have become super-sedimented, to the point at which very small things become difficult for us to accept. The end result is the kind of vicious competition where friend becomes enemy, puppetmaster becomes friend, lie becomes truth, and "the end justifies the means." Meanwhile, other countries do not have this problem--to a large extent, they've resolved their past, and are more willing to make sacrifices. I've always said that 9/11 was a point of maturity for this "young" civilization, but basically we're so spoiled that we have trouble accepting things because our egos are essentially huge (mine included, of course!) When I was young, a teenager, I thought I'd have a brand new house, a corvette, and a stunning broad to go out with. Now, 39. Married yes, but I still live in an apartment. The car is nice, but I have trouble making the payments.The American Dream is nice, but Obama got elected for a reason. A lot of people said, "enough is enough. Realistically, I have the life I have, and I'm going to stick to it."--rchandar
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Comment #50 posted by rchandar on June 19, 2009 at 09:20:36 PT:
Paint with light
You know, some times, I just don't care--People complain that they would lose their jobs, for example. Which in reality, is a good thing. Why do I say this? Watch the film, "America's War on Marijuana." A DEA agent comments on the pot-growers: "it isn't right that someone who was making $5/an hour at a grocery suddenly makes $500,000 just because he grew pot."Let's reverse that. Why should cops, DEA agents, Customs, FBI agents, make $70-$150K a year, just for busting people? Ask yourself folks, all of you: could you do the job? It requires no education (a GED), very little administrative work, and the uqibituous perk of support from other police, informants, and stray citizens. Do they deserve this, if we have to work so hard? How many of you could do it? Probably about 70-80% of you. You don't even have to be big and muscular: many cops aren't. I don't think it's really fair, and I don't see why we can't take care of matters ourselves.Big Brother is Watching You--and Me.
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Comment #49 posted by rchandar on June 19, 2009 at 09:14:15 PT:
PS Mark702
If you review the past 15-20 years, nothing that earth-shattering happened. We had only two major inventions: the cell phone and the Internet. And we're still absorbing the impact of those......we created a war on terrorists to maintain the notion that America was at risk from a very dangerous enemy, forcing the majority of us to rally behind the government and trample upon individual freedoms. I somehow think Bin Laden (who we supported for a number of years) is in some cave or village, laughing and eating mutton with some villagers. Those of you who feel swept up by the "changes" of the past generation should not, and MJ is very welcoming: that means, don't be intimidated by the language spooking that goes on that requires you to believe society is constantly advancing due to technology and innovation. It's a frequent lie that gets promulgated as the truth: whoever in power spawns a foliage of beliefs, truisms, statements, and eventually the whole society buys into them. You can ask the Indigo Girls, no? Bruce Springsteen? A lot of what we see on the TV is pure speculation that the current order is the only realistic or true order, that other viewpoints simply don't count for anything. But if you feel cowed or annoyed by what you're being told, you shouldn't. That's something I try to keep in mind when my wife watches all these mindless police shows, for example. --rchandar
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Comment #48 posted by rchandar on June 19, 2009 at 09:07:24 PT:
Mark702
In other words, if you smoke pot, you'll enjoy yourself, think for yourself and those who enjoy or depend upon you, foregoing the important responsibility of buying every meaningless product, absorbing every fickle and half-truthed stereotype about life and its function, deny that the current political order is God, stop watching conspiracy theory TV shows and B-rated sitcoms, fail to buy into the language that everyone is in immediate danger from the criminals and terrorists,...thereby making you a "loser." "Loser" is a frequent acronym for those who do not support the values of the government, the corporation, the Church.PS how many of you are Catholic? Does it incense you that Pope Paul made taking drugs a "sin?" The Moslem countries did that, too.--rchandar
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Comment #47 posted by rchandar on June 19, 2009 at 09:03:39 PT:
Hope
You have to fall down in order to stand up straight. It's a simple fact of life, I believe it every day.
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Comment #46 posted by Paint with light on June 18, 2009 at 23:39:10 PT
#40
The only reason legalization isn't working is because it doesn't exist.I don't understand how anyone could say something that doesn't exist isn't working.Well, actually I do understand.Under my proposals I believe legalization would work.I haven't heard any reasons it wouldn't.Almost 800,000 arrests just last year proves that wishing for a miracle like suddenly free cannabis doesn't work.Wish in one hand and put legislation in the other and see which one gets full first.Critisizing the legal system instead of learning to work it hasn't produced any positive results.Only the hard work by the activists that have worked to change the laws has produced positive results.Laws have only changed in states where people have worked to change the laws.I don't think the legislative bodies in Rhode Island suddenly came to the profound realization that they needed dipensaries.It took a lot of work by a lot of dedicated people including the legisltive members to accomplish that task.Either someone wants people to quit being locked up or they don't.Either someone wants legal pot or they don't.Wishing won't do it.Such simple concepts.Legal like alcohol.
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Comment #45 posted by Hope on June 18, 2009 at 21:57:05 PT
oops
Wrong again. Joe Harris and not Joe Chandler is the transcriber of the Tales of Uncle Remus.I guess. I'm too tired to care right now.I always think of Uncle Remus as the "Author", I think.Regardless. They're cool and I enjoy hearing and reading the soft and historical dialect. Some old folks I really loved as a child spoke that way and I found it lovely and I can see their kind good faces and hear their sweet voices when I hear it done well.
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Comment #44 posted by Hope on June 18, 2009 at 21:36:00 PT
Oops
I got it wrong. It was Brer Fox "layin low" in the tar baby tale."'I'm gwine ter larn you how ter talk ter 'spectubble folks ef hit's de las' ack,' sez Brer Rabbit, sezee. 'Ef you don't take off dat hat en tell me howdy, I'm gwine ter bus' you wide open,' sezee. "Tar-Baby stay still, en Brer Fox, he lay low."But no doubt... Brer Gupta probably "lay low" during the Brers Bush/Cheney ... Brers Fox/Wolf years.
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~UG97/remus/tar-baby.html
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Comment #43 posted by Hope on June 18, 2009 at 21:20:30 PT
Afterburner
Lol! I popped off that post before I read your last paragraph. It struck home fast. I'm a dedicated fan of Chandler's ole Uncle Remus and his wonderful tales. I keep a copy of the easier to read version of his tales on my bedside stand for grandchildren's visits. I'd love to own a copy of the orignal version... which I've borrowed from the library in the past, but it takes some practice and I think, a gifted ability, to easily read the originals like they should be read.
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Comment #42 posted by Hope on June 18, 2009 at 21:12:30 PT
Comment 39 Afterburner
"He lay low". Kinda like ole Brer Rabbit, I guess.When Brer Fox and Brer Wolf runnin things, lots of folks spec they better "Lay low".
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Comment #41 posted by Hope on June 18, 2009 at 21:07:58 PT
BGreen
Kind of a week long full scale family reunion here with my son and his family down from Missouri and visiting and cooking for so many people and so many people in and out, every waking moment all week. Grandchildren, even more than usual, all over the place. It's been fun though. Busy, busy, and exhausting fun, but fun.
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Comment #40 posted by museman on June 18, 2009 at 21:05:07 PT
#38
Well, then I'd say neither one was working very well, Maybe something new and different, like plain old personal liberty?LEGALIZE FREEDOM, REGULATE POWER, CONTROL AUTHORITYFREE CANNABIS FOREVER
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Comment #39 posted by afterburner on June 18, 2009 at 20:50:15 PT
Dr. Sanjay Gupta, "he lay low."
I happened upon this link showing that Dr. Gupta is more aware than he was letting on:How to Use Gotu Kola - Chopra Center
http://www.chopra.com/gotukolaUnder GW Bush, Dr. Gupta "lay low."Now, under President Obama, Dr. Gupta is showing his true colors."Brer Rabbit, he lay low."
--From Joel Chandler Harris’s The Tar Baby (1904) and Uncle Remus and Brer Rabbit, 1906. (Enlarged from a note by A.B., 1978.) P.B.: E.P.’s dates refer to collected editions of the stories; in fact the ‘Tar Baby’ first appeared in 1880. 
http://www.bookrags.com/tandf/brer-rabbit-he-lay-low-tf/
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Comment #38 posted by Paint with light on June 18, 2009 at 20:31:52 PT
#37
We don't have regulation and control.We have prohibition.And that has worked so well, so far. right? All that prohibition?Cannabis isn't legal yet.I don't think it is productive to keep locking people up for cannabis use.I'm offering workable ways to legalize.Legal like alcohol.
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Comment #37 posted by museman on June 18, 2009 at 20:12:48 PT
# 32
And its worked so well so far right? All that regulation and control?
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Comment #36 posted by FoM on June 18, 2009 at 19:56:27 PT
AC 360
I was posting an article and figured they'd soon get done with the typical grow house story but I think that's it at least for the night. Maybe they'll have something tomorrow. I'll be glad when I don't have to watch CNN.
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Comment #35 posted by BGreen on June 18, 2009 at 19:36:50 PT
Hi, Hope
I was wondering where you were.Yeah, the "legal pot pusher" description used to describe the gentleman featured before Dr. Gupta spoke was uncalled for.I hope they interview Melissa Etheridge again when they deem cannabis users as losers. I hope they interview Willie Nelson and how about Paul McCartney, who happens to be in the Guinness Book of World Records as the most successful musician and composer in popular music history, with 60 gold discs and sales of 100 million singles?What is a loser?If these are three examples of the type of loser cannabis makes you, excuse me because I've got some cannabis I need to consume.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #34 posted by FoM on June 18, 2009 at 19:14:18 PT

AC360
I just turned CNN on but I have minded the way Anderson Cooper has used terms that are degrading. When people use certain stinging words I find it offensive. People that act and speak that way are lording it over the other person's opinion and I find that not a good way to debate a serious topic like marijuana laws.
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Comment #33 posted by Hope on June 18, 2009 at 18:49:25 PT

Legalize "Being a loser"?
What would these guys do for debate if name calling was against the law? These 'absolutely every thing is a game and a competition' people and their overwrought sports mentality overflow and their reversion to name calling when asked for logical thinking are obviously stuck in some sort of little league non-mentality. "Why not just legalize being a loser?" Apparently in his anxiousness to get out there and be a "Winner" in the debate, he forgot that being a "Loser" isn't actually illegal.

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Comment #32 posted by Paint with light on June 18, 2009 at 18:38:17 PT

reasons for control, regulation, and taxation
How do you keep the production of cannabis from falling into the hands of a few corporations or wealthy individuals?Regulate and control.How do you insure that anyone has the right to grow a garden of free cannabis for consumption or exchange(maybe non-profit even)?Regulate and control.How do you make sure no product is being sold that has toxic poisons or other adulterants added somewhere in the process(such as first gen colchicine treated plants or an embalming fluid spray just for effect)?Regulate and control.How do you insure the freedom we all want?Regulate and control those that would want otherwise.How do you pay for it?Taxation.Example: $1.00 or more donation for an individual's one year license for non-profit growing and exchange.20.00 for any individual or member of a cooperative or other group growing for profit.1000.00 for any corporation whose for profit sales exceed 1,000,000.00 per year.Maybe stop the permit process at that level so that more separate and small "family" farms would be required to meet the market demand.In addition you could add a fee for any establishment(bar, coffee house, church) that offers cannabis for sale or consumption.Any advertisement could have a fee added.Bottom line.Any individual would be free to grow and consume and have their herb garden.The only exception to permit granting would be anyone that ever owned a go go's record.Legal like alcohol .....except better.
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Comment #31 posted by Mark702 on June 18, 2009 at 17:25:55 PT:

Cannabis Use
Apparently the majority of people are ignorant to the fact that cannabis DOES NOT HAVE TO BE SMOKED.
 
Alternatives are numerous and including vaporization, which releases the cannabinoids (active medical ingredients) without burning (combustion) the plant matter. As a result, the harmful effects of smoking are negated. The THC and other cannabinoids can also be extracted and made into butter to bake THC-infused cookies, candies, suckers, gum, ice cream, and everything else you can think of.Besides, even if people do choose to smoke, the physical harm is negligible in comparison to the nicotine in cigarettes or the alcohol in beer, wine and hard liquor.And lastly, smoking or consuming cannabis is any way DOES NOT make you a loser. It is not only a safer, undoubtedly healthier option, but the effects are considered to be more enjoyable and relaxing than the out-of-your-mind feeling of drinking too much alcohol.I choose the safer, healthier option but despite this, a simple posession-only conviction would result in a permanent criminal record. A 6-month suspension of drivers license (goodbye job), never able to vote, not eligible for college loans, and the list goes on.Consuming cannabis IS NOT A CRIME.
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Comment #30 posted by Sam Adams on June 18, 2009 at 16:34:34 PT

Doctor Guppy
you sort of combine Sanjay and Gupta and you get Guppy and it's a lot easier to remember too
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Comment #29 posted by FoM on June 18, 2009 at 16:21:52 PT

Sam
Dr. Guppy. You made me laugh.
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Comment #28 posted by Sam Adams on June 18, 2009 at 15:11:39 PT

transcript
FOM thanks for posting the CNN transcript, I often don't have the patience to sit through the videos.Good to see that Dr. Guppy is coming around!! I thought he was a total putz, but he sounds a lot like someone who's done a lot of reading in the last few months on this.I take serious issue with the "effect on developing brains". In fact the government has been paying researchers for many decades now in a desperate effort to prove this effect and they've found nothing. However, just last week the FDA opened the floodgates on several new classes of anti-psychotic prescription meds, allowing them to be used on children. I wonder how much research has been done on those drugs and kids?? How do they stack up against the 10,000 year track record of cannabis? 
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Comment #27 posted by museman on June 18, 2009 at 14:14:03 PT

Losers have been legal
for a long long time, thats why they invented money.
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Comment #26 posted by museman on June 18, 2009 at 14:11:33 PT

 LJ
Perhaps you'll understand me when I summarize;I too will 'accept' whatever concessions we can wring out of the circumstances that increase our personal liberties concerning, specificly (but its pretty wholistic at this point) cannabis access and use. However, my ultimate goals are in that 'world that hasn't happened yet' and know to the core of my being that all change inherently depends on not losing sight of the goals. And not 'accepting' the interim baby steps of progress as any 'final solutions.'
my music and stuff
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Comment #25 posted by LJ on June 18, 2009 at 13:12:48 PT

not a loser
Can't help myself--here's my response to the AC360 post:********Ok. I'll bite.While I'm not a "pot head," I do take exception with both your uniformed and reductive view of the typical marijuana user as well as the real costs of cannabis prohibition.Let me put it this way: There is a large spectrum between totally abstinent, highly productive members of society and the "losers' (as you so creatively put it). Somewhere in the middle is where the vast bulk of us live, marijuana imbibers and otherwise. Some of the losers to whom you refer choose alcohol, while others choose nicotine. Some even use marijuana. Of course there are members of society that belong on the more productive end of the spectrum, some of whom use cannabis, alcohol, nicotine, and other such recreational substances. The point is that your stereotype does nothing to enlighten, only to pander and obfuscate. No one is advocating for allowing a cannabis user to operate heavy machinery. Users should follow the same laws on driving while impaired. No one is advocating for drug abuse as the desired behavior in the Unites States. Drug abusers need medical help, however, not incarceration. If you are interested in reporting on the true costs of cannabis prohibition (upwards of $40 billion per year), then you need to know that many members of society want a more responsible approach to drug abuse. Prohibition didn't work in the 1930s, and it's still not working today. Don't believe me? Ask those most affected by contact with the black market--the brave police officers forced to waste their time pursuing non-violent cannabis users.Furthermore, to offer the blanket statement that law enforcement agents are in agreement on this issue is false and reveals the shallow research you've conducted. Start by asking Law Enforcement Against Prohibition what they think (leap.cc), and then maybe you can present your readers with something approaching a balanced response to the ills cause by prohibition.One last point that I'm sure you've heard, but bears reiterating: if you want to claim that loserdom or other perceived social ills are caused by cannabis (an unproven assertion, by the way), then you'd want to advocate for prohibiting alcohol and tobacco, two highly toxic and well-regulated substances. Not one person has ever died from cannabis consumption, yet the latest statistics reveal nearly 500,000 die yearly from tobacco, and almost 100,000 per year from alcohol related causes. These, by the way, are the real gateway drugs, contrary to the propaganda with which you've been duped.It's really no laughing matter. Prohibition has targeted our cities and caused the deaths of many law enforcement agents as they fight against the black market created by our outdated drug policy. Our annual expenditures on the so-called War on Drugs now exceed 40 billion, yet the big killers are subsidized by taxpayer dollars and exempted from the discussion. I'd like you to contextualize the issue for your readers a bit more, Mr. Griffin.Regards,not-a-loser

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Comment #24 posted by FoM on June 18, 2009 at 12:32:12 PT

NC House Panel Considers Medical Marijuana Bill 
June 18, 2009People who smoke marijuana for medical purposes in North Carolina told House members it relieves their chronic pain, but a bill legalizing its use isn't likely to pass.URL: http://www.wcnc.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D98T8R000.html
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Comment #23 posted by FoM on June 18, 2009 at 11:58:47 PT

AC360 Tonight
Legalize Pot? Why Not Legalize Being a Loser?June 18, 2009URL: http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2009/06/18/legalize-pot-why-not-legalize-being-a-loser/
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Comment #22 posted by LJ on June 18, 2009 at 11:58:07 PT

Nice lyrics
Museman,You said: "the end result is nowhere near where it could be with different motivations" and then conceded that your "analogy comes from a world that doesn't exist yet". As you also note, what we've got is the product of generations of failure--fear, laziness, oppression, ignorance--etc, etc. But what else can we do? I don't think we should oppose all repeals just because they don't solve the root problem (whatever that might be). I'm advocating for basking in the light where I can find it.BTW, I dig those lyrics. You got a band?
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Comment #21 posted by FoM on June 18, 2009 at 11:43:56 PT

Update on North Carolina
Committee Debates Bill To Legalize Medical MarijuanaJune 18, 2009 RALEIGH, N.C. - 
It was standing room only for a crowd listening to a debate on whether marijuana should be legalized in North Carolina for medicinal purposes.URL: http://raleigh.mync.com/site/raleigh/news/story/36881/committee-debates-bill-to-legalize-medical-marijuana
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Comment #20 posted by FoM on June 18, 2009 at 11:33:45 PT

duzt 
That sounds very nice. 
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Comment #19 posted by museman on June 18, 2009 at 11:18:46 PT

lest we forget
The Author of this little phrase;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOiK4fzl-5E
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Comment #18 posted by duzt on June 18, 2009 at 11:14:04 PT

FOM
I am up above Sacramento (in the foothills) and it is very relaxed here as far as growing. Mendocino was horrible, ironically enough, but this area is nice. I have an outdoor grow right with my veggies and next to my fruit trees here now and my neighbor, who can see everything, works with the Feds. As long as you don't have huge amounts (I have 20) there is no problem and you can pretty much live happy and compare with others in the area that grow. My family isn't really pro cannabis but respect it because of my reasons and have actually shown interest because they realize now it is no different than any other plant in the garden. It will be nice though when the whole country is this way. Hopefully soon enough.
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Comment #17 posted by FoM on June 18, 2009 at 10:53:19 PT

museman
I agree.
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Comment #16 posted by museman on June 18, 2009 at 10:30:30 PT

FoM
Absolutely.But does that in any way justify or make OK the fact of his imprisonment? And should such a thing just be 'let go' even though it still continues to this day throughout the world?Of course not.
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Comment #15 posted by museman on June 18, 2009 at 10:20:46 PT

 LJ
Well put.Good analogy.However, I would raise the point that, in definition of terms, we are speaking two different dialects.My choice of 'regulating' the amount of water I use to nurture my garden, is far different from some other person or group of persons, regulating my access to that particular resource based on an unbalanced, unfair, and corrupt system of economic values.In the concept of community resource, such as roads and parks, I propose an hypothesis that the motivations of survival necessity -such as motivate most people to participate in these works, as of moderninity,- may indeed 'get the job done' but the quality, efficiency, and true economy (having to do with the definition that means 'making do with the least amount of effort and resource') of the end result is nowhere near wher it could be with different motivations.In other words, if one were to build a road, because they wanted to build a road, not because they HAD TO FEED THEIR CHILDREN -and could only do that if they labor according to some other terms of regulating their energies and time by someone elses whim- that road would most probably look better, last longer, and be maintained better, than any road ever built.Of course my analogy comes from a world that doesn't exist yet, but while I accept the forced and enforced conditions of living in this time and country, as the terms and conditions i must deal with, I will never, ever accept them as anything other than the epitomy of the failure of the human race to rise to the occasion.Regulating my use of cannabis is as ridiculous as regulating my use of oxygen. And there is no good reason at all to do such a thing, except for motivations of greed, power, and control. And personally, I've had enough of that to last me another gazillion lifetimes.Point a gun at me, and I'll pretend to agree, but thats about as far as it will get. Because within my own head I have the experience of freedom, and I will not compromise that pure essence for any of the fake wooden nickels of modern Rome.As far as taxes go, lets just say...."Don't feed the beast."By all means, regulate your own life, choice and actions according to how you believe is best for you, but it is not for you or anyone else to have any say in how I do those very same things myself, -and I mean no slight or snide.Peace
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Comment #14 posted by FoM on June 18, 2009 at 10:16:11 PT

museman
I think we can be free no matter what position we are in. Was Nelson Mandela free? I think even though he was in prison for many years he was always free.
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Comment #13 posted by museman on June 18, 2009 at 09:49:42 PT

FoM
Let me reiterate;"..my brain can't see how freedom has anything whatsoever to do with money.." I should have said "My brain can't see how, or why, money should have anything to do with freedom."I am well aware of all the materialistic arguments in favor of justifying an economic system that favors and rewards corruption, greed, and lots of bad behavior made to look special.The injustices in the world are all linked to the same root. Anything that grows from that root cannot be expected to be anything other than the same fruit the tree has always produced.There is a lot to look at in the world today, both beautiful and ugly. Sometimes we choose to see only the beauty, and sometimes we choose to see only the ugliness. And sometimes, quite often in the controlled and regulated world of human invention, the ugly is just so in your face you got to shout about it.I have a song called "Love is Burning" -no link for you-There is a line; "I did my dreamin' in the Land of Light,simply knowin' every thing's alright,and I didn't look at what I didn't see,until it stepped right up in front of me!"That says it.

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Comment #12 posted by LJ on June 18, 2009 at 09:42:49 PT

Analogy for Oxygen
Oxygen,You said:"Taxation and regulation . . . is just another form of prohibition."Consider this analogy: When I open the tap to my garden hose, I regulate the amount of water that I want to go on my tomatoes; when I turn the tap off, I prohibit water from entering my garden altogether. Regulation enables use (like our highways for instance); prohibit-ion denies use (like the 18th Amendment). Taxation doesn't allow uninhibited use, nor does regulation, but that's far different from allowing no use whatsoever. Now the discussion of what constitutes proper regulation, or the merits of taxation is another topic entirely. But we shouldn't join the prohibition side just because we don't like the flavor of legalization. From where I sit, any repeal of the WOD is a good thing. Hope this helps.Peace

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Comment #11 posted by FoM on June 18, 2009 at 09:36:33 PT

BGreen
I understand what you are saying.
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Comment #10 posted by FoM on June 18, 2009 at 09:34:45 PT

museman
I wanted to add that money is important to have for purchasing what we feel we need and want but when it comes to what was not made by man I don't think about money. 
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Comment #9 posted by museman on June 18, 2009 at 09:26:11 PT

FoM
I understand, ....my brain can't see how freedom has anything whatsoever to do with money. So stipulations amd conditions that require it are walls, limitations, and un-natural 'conditions' applied to freedom -which is sufficient unto itself without all that dross BS, and all those conditions need to go in the landfill.
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Comment #8 posted by FoM on June 18, 2009 at 09:12:26 PT

museman
I guess my brain doesn't think about money just freedom.
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Comment #7 posted by museman on June 18, 2009 at 08:58:02 PT

FoM
No disagreement...Oxygen, is just about the only aspect of the original providence given to us on day 6 of Creation that is still held, and taken for granted, as an undeniable right that even the most insidious criminals get to have until they die.Cannabis, tomatoes, and every other growing plant that makes seed, is clearly GIVEN to us with NO STIPULATIONS, NO ECONOMIC CONDITIONS, and NO RESTRICTIONS. The gift of Providence is not limited to arbitrary determinations of anyone, or any group of people who want to 'regulate' its uses. That gift is just there. If its abused, the abuser suffers, but no one else has the right to attempt to control anyone elses access, or use of providence.Providence was given to us with the same conditions as the air we breathe; NONE WHATSOEVER.The only conditions placed on us have to do with the amount of Love we are capable of manifesting on our lives, and the many parameters of that, but those conditions are available as choices, not as imperatives, or 'law.'Any others are simply false, and have no real place in the future that consciousness is rising towards. the sooner we let go of the false authorities, false values, and false powers of human social clubs, the sooner we get to visit the cannabis garden of our neighbors and share the bounty and appreciation for the wonderful gift of Providence.FREE CANNABIS FOREVER
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Comment #6 posted by BGreen on June 18, 2009 at 08:43:00 PT

Yes, but are they SAFER than cannabis, Dr. Gupta?
But the caveat, Anderson, is that sometimes other medications which we know more about may be better alternatives. So it can help, but there might be other things that are even better.Cannabis has never killed anybody, ever. Can any of these substances you suggest "might" be better than cannabis make this claim?Are the risk/benefit ratios really worth the slight bit of extra efficacy to justify abandoning the safest therapeutic substance known to man for a substance that has only killed hundreds or thousands?I've endured 34 years of cannabis prohibition just to save that proverbial "one" child, even though NO child has ever died from cannabis, only to have doctors justify the deaths of thousands in order to save them with pharmaceuticals.Otherwise, I'm impressed that Dr. Gupta has been studying up on a subject he used to show great ignorance of every time he spoke about it.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #5 posted by FoM on June 18, 2009 at 08:38:23 PT

Just a Thought
My husband and I were talking last night about how nice it would be if people could have an outdoor patch of cannabis and nuture it and let God and the sunshine and rain do the majority of the work. Can you imagine being able to go and visit different friends and the first place you want to go is to their backyard and see how their cannabis grows. What a cheery thought. I guess that is what I am hoping for.
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Comment #4 posted by FoM on June 18, 2009 at 08:29:54 PT

museman
Like you said a long time ago. Equal with tomatoes is all I want.
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Comment #3 posted by museman on June 18, 2009 at 08:23:33 PT

A journalist
With confident humor.Glad to see that the true motivations of so many wanna be cannabis opportunists in the sudden limelight are being shown for what they really are.Compassion and caring have no UPC rating. -which could explain why it has been in such short supply.The jokes are getting old and stale, and those who really need what cannabis can offer in healing, aren't laughing at them.If they legislate regulation, and taxation, they better lower the price back to pre WOD, or they get no support from me. Thats the only way their motives could possibly be acceptable.Taxation and regulation, like alcohol, is just another form of prohibition, where the worshippers of money get their cut, and those without still go to jail.Prove to me otherwise and I'll change my tune.EQUAL TO OXYGEN
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Comment #2 posted by LJ on June 18, 2009 at 07:51:09 PT:

My letter to the Sacremento News and Monitor
My letter to the editor:Mr. Schneide,Thanks for the levity this morning. Your article "Everybody must get stoned?" really made my day. You've highlighted the absurdity of the current fears behind the prohibition movement. (Visine, munchies--heh)I must take exception, however with your ultimate conclusion. If, on the one hand, you merely argue for reflection in order to preserve the culture of compassion, then who can argue with that? But to reduce the current tidal wave against prohibition as simply another California gold rush (green rush?) is to grossly simplify and to really miss the point. To be sure, cannabis legalization will not be a panacea, but the current state of affairs cannot continue. We've had nearly a hundred years of cannabis prohibition, and the costs just keep escalating. Any one truly interested in preserving the culture of compassion should reflect for a moment on the other worthy venues that could benefit from the $40 billion we waste annually on prohibition.The responsible, measured, and already thought out response to our present quagmire known as the "war on drugs" (more correctly, war against US cities and citizens) is to STOP wasting our resources on non-violent so-called crime. No one dies from consuming marijuana, but many police officers DO die in the line of duty as they pursue the black market operators created by the prohibition movement. What would one concerned with preserving a culture of compassion say about needlessly discarding our brave law enforcement officers?To your point: just because some stand to gain money from legalized cannabis, medical or otherwise, let's not dismiss the cause for ending prohibition. There's nothing wrong with a little entrepreneurial activity, especially if we can cut costs at the same time. The time to end cannabis prohibition is now.

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Comment #1 posted by FoM on June 18, 2009 at 07:36:27 PT

AC360 Transcript
Excerpt: COOPER: Before the break, we introduced you to a man in Oregon, a pot pioneer of sorts, who believes that science shows marijuana has health benefits. Does it? One doctor we spoke to this week called pot the best medication he's ever worked with. Others say it's a potent, addictive, gateway drug with dangerous side effects that ruins lives and families. Both sides have studies to prove their case.So what exactly are the facts? To try to get some answers, 360 MD Dr. Sanjay Gupta joins us.Now Sanjay, let's get at it. Are there benefits to medical marijuana? Is there a case for its use, because the patients we talk to swear by it?DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, the answer is yes. I mean, there are some medical benefits to marijuana, and this is more than just anecdotal evidence now, Anderson. There are some studies to sort of back that up.We know that there are receptors in the brain, cannabinoid receptors. And they control things like your pain levels, your hunger levels, things related to your mood. And therein lies some of the possible benefits, medically, of marijuana.For example, someone who's having terrible malnourishment or terrible nausea as a result of chemotherapy or the effect of HIV/AIDS, using marijuana could stimulate appetite.Neuropathic pain, Anderson, something I deal with quite a bit as a neurosurgeon. It's that lancinating nerve pain that's often caused by trauma or some sort of injury or surgery. Sometimes it can be very refractive to pain medications. Marijuana can help there, as well.Multiple sclerosis, something else that I treat. That's something that can cause significant tremors, for example. Marijuana can help.But the caveat, Anderson, is that sometimes other medications which we know more about may be better alternatives. So it can help, but there might be other things that are even better.COOPER: Is there medical evidence that it can be dangerous? What do doctors say?GUPTA: Well, most of the studies on this really look at some of the shorter term effects of marijuana. It is hard to make the statement right now about the longer term dangers of marijuana.The medical community as a whole, for example the American Medical Association is against the smoking of marijuana. That is a stance that they take as an organized medical association.But there are several areas in the brain, again, that marijuana affects. The hippocampus, Anderson, is an area that's responsible for memory. So short-memory problems is something that is often cited.Also the developing brain. Is marijuana -- does it have somehow a greater impact on the developing brain? There are studies on this, although as I looked at it today, it is not conclusive. It's a real concern.There's also, you know, this idea that you talk about THC, the active ingredient that Joe Johns was talking about in a lot of the other pieces this week. But there are 300 other compounds or so, as well. And what exactly do they do?And finally, this issue that you raised, Anderson, about addiction. Is it addictive? You're going to find conflicting studies, not an exact number. But anywhere between 5 and 9 percent of people who smoke marijuana regularly could become addicted. Take a look there, as compared to other substances: tobacco, 31 percent; heroin, 23; cocaine 17. You can see the numbers there, and you have cannabis at the bottom, 9 percent.So there is that risk, as well, Anderson.COOPER: Because, I mean, other people like Melissa Etheridge. I said the addictive question. She basically just laughed and said, "Absolutely not. There's no way it's physically addictive."Other people say, well, maybe psychologically it has some addictive. Does one make a difference between possible psychological addiction and physical addiction?GUPTA: That's a great question. And when you talk about addiction, typically, from a medical standpoint, you are talking about some sort of physical addiction. So the body changes in some way. It could be a mood related thing, but associated with that mood that may have -- you know, some sort of physical manifestations of the withdrawal. So there are criteria for withdrawal.COOPER: We got a text question I want to get to. Matthew from New Mexico asks, "Can we not obtain the medical benefits of marijuana without smoking it?" So how about that? I mean, there is this federally-approved drug on the market, Marinol, that treats the same symptoms as the medical marijuana does. Some people say it doesn't work fast enough. Is Marinol just not a decent substitute?GUPTA: I don't think we're there yet. It's a synthetic form of THC. So the disadvantage, you get rid of a lot of those other compounds that we don't know a lot about.One of the disadvantages, just mentioned, it's a pill, so it may not work fast enough. One thing about using marijuana, either smoking it or vaporizing it, is you can titrate it a little bit more easily. So you can get the appropriate dose. With the pill, you may take too much or too little. It's a little bit harder to titrate.COOPER: All right. Interesting information. Sanjay Gupta, appreciate it. Thanks, Sanjay.Full Transcript: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/17/acd.01.html
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