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Bush Official Speaks Against Question 7
Posted by CN Staff on October 24, 2006 at 06:51:37 PT
By Karen Woodmansee, Appeal Staff Writer
Source: Nevada Appeal
Nevada -- In a battle of the outside interests, an official from the federal government came to Dayton Monday and warned the audience that Washington, D.C., interests were behind the Question 7 ballot initiative that would legalize possession of up to an ounce of marijuana.Scott Burns, deputy director of the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy for State and Local Affairs, said the power behind the initiative was using Nevada as a "guinea pig" to see if it can legalize all drugs.
He spoke at a panel discussion at the Dayton Community Center on Question 7 sponsored by Healthy Communities Coalition of Lyon and Storey Counties, which opposes the measure."This initiative is funded 98 percent from Washington, D.C.," he said, naming John Sperling, founder of the University of Phoenix; Peter Lewis of Progressive Insurance Co.; and billionaire investor George Soros and the money men behind the ballot measure. "They picked us because our Western rural heritage is we don't like people like me coming in and telling you how to vote or what to do. They're not in Connecticut, New Hampshire, Delaware or Vermont. They think they can con you."But Patrick Killen, of Las Vegas, who is the Question 7 communications director, said it was not an out-of-state effort."The reason this is on the ballot is because 86,000 Nevadans signed petitions to put it on the ballot," he said.Killen and about 10 others protested outside the Dayton Community Center where the panel discussion took place."The reason we're here tonight is we believe Washington, D.C., needs to fix its own problems before telling Nevadans how to vote on a local issue," Killen said. "We support Question 7 because we believe that Nevada marijuana laws have failed and it's time for a sensible alternative. Question 7 would tax and regulate marijuana in Nevada, taking it away from violent gangs and drug dealers."But Burns and other panel members, Las Vegas police officer Todd Raybuck and John Shields, head of the New Frontier Treatment Center in Fallon, said passage would make drug use more acceptable and encourage use among children."When I was in high school and college, it was a 'rite of passage' drug," Burns said. "Now it's a rite of passage drug for 10- to 12-year-olds."Burns said that the drug use among youth is decreasing, and passage of Question 7 would make it seem like a normal thing to do."Why after we have worked so hard to lessen drug use in America would we want to make drugs more available?" he asked.All of the panelists focused on the effect passage could have on children, and called it a "gateway drug" and insisted it was addictive."We do see a lot of folks addicted to marijuana," Shields said. "I don't think it would be in anyone's best interest to legalize it."Raybuck, a 14-year veteran of the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department said today's marijuana is 50 percent to 70 percent more potent than it was in the 1960s and '70s and has a chilling effect on youth."The more powerful pot rewires the adolescent brain similar to heroin or cocaine," he said.Raybuck told a story of two brothers. One brother, who never used drugs, stayed in school, had a career, family and a nice home. The other brother started smoking marijuana and kept smoking for 30 years. He went on to use methamphetamine and cocaine."He never held a job more than six months," Raybuck said. "He has two sons he never sees."Raybuck said the brother is now doing a long stretch in prison for crimes he committed while on drugs."I can tell you about this brother, because he's my brother," Raybuck said.Both Burns and Raybuck stated that even if Question 7 passes, federal law, which supersedes state law, still outlaws possession and use of marijuana.But several of the 20-25 citizens who attended the panel discussion defended the initiative, though they did not give their names.One woman stated that she lived in constant pain and would rather use marijuana than Vicodin or other prescribed drugs that leave her "like a zombie." Another man criticized the amount of financial resources used in fighting drugs."I don't want kids smoking dope, drinking beer, or smoking cigarettes, but the war on drugs has been a failure," he said alleging that $42 billion was spent on law enforcement to fight drug use.But Capt. Allan Veil of the Lyon County Sheriff's Office, who was standing in for Sheriff Sid Smith, said the department does not focus on busting pot users for marijuana smoking alone."We focus very little resources on marijuana use only," he said. "We focus on marijuana use along with that of other drugs and the crimes committed by marijuana users."Veil said when he began as a deputy, possession of even a small amount of marijuana was a felony and served as a deterrent to use. Now, he said, some parents keep it in the home."Kids are getting it from Mom and Dad, who are either their giving it to the kids or the kids are stealing from Mom and Dad's stash," he said."Drug use has declined because people have worked hard to reduce it," Burns said. "We're not going to accept this as inevitable and accommodate it."Note: Pro-marijuana legalization protesters at panel discussion.Source: Nevada Appeal (Carson City, NV)Author: Karen Woodmansee, Appeal Staff WriterPublished: October 24, 2006Copyright: 2006 Nevada AppealContact: editor nevadaappeal.comWebsite: http://www.nevadaappeal.com/Related Articles & Web Site:Regulate and Control Marijuanahttp://www.regulatemarijuana.org/Group Key Backer of Marijuana Ballot Questionhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread22315.shtmlMr. Walters Goes To Nevada http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread22284.shtmlDrug Czar Visits Two States To Slam Pot Initiativehttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread22277.shtml
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Comment #84 posted by Dankhank on October 27, 2006 at 12:46:11 PT
Amen ...
Toker00 ... what you said ...is the answer ...
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Comment #83 posted by Toker00 on October 27, 2006 at 03:26:09 PT
gw...
Because we don't love each other enough yet.Toke.
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Comment #82 posted by whig on October 26, 2006 at 17:37:56 PT
gw 
You want to know why? I can't answer that.
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Comment #81 posted by global_warming on October 26, 2006 at 14:52:25 PT
hey whig
"But then there are the vast number of people whose next meal really is in question."Why is that?
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Comment #80 posted by whig on October 26, 2006 at 10:04:29 PT
museman
I just wanted to point out to you, if you are reading and I know you've said some things before about judges and lawyers being no good -- since my own father is a lawyer I have experience of them, not just himself but his circle of friends who are also businessmen and landlords and people who you want to despise sometimes.Some people are born into privilege through no choice of their own, and they inherit a culture which invests in them, which gives them every kind of support that they can, both moral and financial. There may be limits to this support, but it is there for emergencies.I am privileged. I was gifted both in this way, and as a mentally quick young man with educational opportunities. I've chosen largely to walk away from my expected life course, and pursue what I believe to be good for the world as a whole, but still I do not forget myself. I need to know that I have a roof on my head and clothes to wear, food to eat and a wife that has the same advantages. We should not have to worry where our next meal will come from.But then there are the vast number of people whose next meal really is in question. The people who do not know if there will be a next meal. I fast sometimes and that is nothing like being unsure if or when you will eat.I spent a year not working, and I have set myself up for periods of time to be with very little or no money to have. I have had one dollar in my pocket and no idea if I'll have more today. I've had health problems and not known if they would ever relent, if I would ever spent a moment without pain again. I have sympathy for this, but it is not my goal to be like that when I have a choice.I keep a feather in my back pocket, it's a company I could have started, a business that could have made me a billionaire. I had economists tell me so, and in the presence of my father so that he would know this. I entrusted the seed to his care and moved on. My wife and I live on about ten thousand dollars a year in Berkeley, not widely considered a cheap place to live.My point is that there are good people who are privileged, if you think that I am good. Lawyers and judges, too. Sometimes.
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Comment #79 posted by whig on October 26, 2006 at 09:53:19 PT
Wayne
It's really b.s. and the judge said something to the effect of, as far as he was concerned Ed's already been tried, convicted, sentenced and done his time. There is no doubt to me that the judge wants this case thrown out but he has to follow the formalities of procedure in order to make a record that will stand up on appeal.The prosecutor is on a witch-hunt, and he made a "superseding indictment" which contained some new details and charges. The judge ridiculed this in open court, but in a restrained judicial way of speaking that sounds very pleasant and neutral.
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Comment #78 posted by Max Flowers on October 26, 2006 at 09:16:51 PT
Just a thought
If that bought-and-paid-for, lying sack of feces Tony Snow can be appointed the White House press secretary, then the candid, moral, truth-telling Keith Olbermann can be elected president!Just a thought.
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Comment #77 posted by mayan on October 26, 2006 at 06:34:55 PT
Blizzard
I hope the debate goes on since Colorado is getting hit by a blizzard. 
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Comment #76 posted by mayan on October 26, 2006 at 06:30:12 PT
Debate Tonight
Mason Tvert will debate a federal narc tonight. Follow the links to listen...Live Debate on KGNU Tonight at 6 p.m. (MST):
http://safercolorado.org/blog.html
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Comment #75 posted by Wayne on October 26, 2006 at 06:11:00 PT
re: Ed
This whole time, I've been wondering "what about double jeopardy?" and the 5th Amendment? Does that only apply if you're acquitted? I know that Ed was convicted and then it was later reversed, but he's already been tried once. Doesn't he still have the right to not be tried again a 2nd time for what seems to me like the exact same charges? I'm a little surprised that I haven't seen it come up already. Could someone enlighten me please?
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Comment #74 posted by whig on October 25, 2006 at 23:27:21 PT
Hello
Busy day today, and didn't have internet this morning (or last night) so I haven't been able to post. (DHCP problem, not under my control to fix, but it got fixed eventually after I notified someone.)Went to the hearing before judge Charles Breyer regarding Ed Rosenthal and Richard Watts. Kenneth Hayes was not present. Counts 2,3,4,5 against Richard Watts have been dismissed, though the judge requested some written opinions of counsel before deciding whether that is with or without prejudice.I'd rather wait for a press release from Ed or ASA to report on how his position stands now, but I will say that the judge did not seem too impressed with the prosecutor, and even lectured him on the first amendment at one point.Literally the prosecutor is trying to make the case that Ed deserves to be re-prosecuted because he made remarks unfavorable to the government after the verdict last time.Unbelievable.
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Comment #73 posted by nuevo mexican on October 25, 2006 at 21:58:57 PT
Lorretta Nall on Keith Olberman!
Great comments on the Drug War, her focus, as well as legalizing Cannabis, getting out of Iraq!
Her campaign slogan, 'get the boobs out of office, (and hers in)! Classic! Great free publicity for her campaign for Govenor, I recommend a vote for her!Keith is on MSNBC, and rocks everynight with his Special Comments, as many have mentioned here, a Gore/Olberman ticket sounds good to me!
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Comment #72 posted by mayan on October 25, 2006 at 18:20:17 PT
Such Timing...
Terrorists: Major attacks against Israel on their way:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/1,7340,L-3319289,00.htmlReport: Syria ups military alert level:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1159193518802&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFullUS naval war games off the Iranian coastline: A provocation which could lead to War?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20061024&articleId=3593With less than two weeks until the mid-terms, who would benefit? The entire world knows that the neo-cons are going to take a big hit on November 7th! THE WAY OUT IS THE WAY IN...9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB - OUR NATION IS IN PERIL:
http://www.911sharethetruth.com/
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Comment #71 posted by ekim on October 25, 2006 at 17:03:25 PT
Lorretta Nall on Keith Oberman show
on tonight sometime during the program
dir tv ch 356
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Comment #70 posted by global_warming on October 25, 2006 at 16:13:31 PT
You can drink your life away
In Canada or the US, Income Tax is IllegalIncome Tax is Immoral Do you bow to the filth of the money changers?Have not you looked at your reflection?What is in your eyes?
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Comment #69 posted by FoM on October 25, 2006 at 16:13:24 PT
Toker00
It's ok with me. This war must end along with this administration. They are so corrupt we have to start all over again. When a political party has too much power it will become corrupt. Money and greed take over so it's time to do our best to clean house. 
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Comment #68 posted by Toker00 on October 25, 2006 at 16:08:58 PT
OT. FoM, please forgive for another one.
This is a link for active service members to voice their concerns to Congress to withdraw from Iraq. YES IT IS LEGAL. Others may go there to see what it does.http://www.appealforredress.org./Toke.
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Comment #67 posted by lombar on October 25, 2006 at 15:47:43 PT
Income tax
In Canada, income tax was supposed to be a temporary measure to pay for WW II. Like every other law, the representatives created it and used the undemocratic parliament to force it upon the people. Now it is just to guarantee payment of the national debts which have been used to manipulate the economy to make it easy (and cheap) to take over. The Government of Canada can have a 'majority' governmnet elected by a minority of the voters. (ie 40% pop vote can get a majority which is a de-facto dictatorship for 4 years.)The 'government' has not really represented the wishes or protected the interests of the populace for decades.Pot is probably the only thing that is cheaper here. Despite the structural differences, what happens there is mirrored here, our 'culture' is not so different although the system is.
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Comment #66 posted by global_warming on October 25, 2006 at 15:22:46 PT
13 Days 
November 22, 1858: Denver City Town Company founded by William H. Larimer party from Leavenworth, Kansas Territory.1861: Colorado Territory created.1870: The Denver Pacific, Kansas Pacific and Colorado Central Railroads reach Denver, ending the townís isolation and stagnation. Tuesday, 07 Nov 2006 - DenverNEPTUNE trine MOON (0.7 degree) - NEPTUNE at 17 AQU 04N. NODE conjunct NEPTUNE (0.4 degree) - N. NODE at 22 PIS 34N. NODE conjunct Part F. (0.9 degree) - N. NODE at 22 PIS 34S. NODE opposite NEPTUNE (0.4 degree) - S. NODE at 22 VIR 34S. NODE opposite Part F. (0.9 degree) - S. NODE at 22 VIR 34Part F. square JUPITER (0.4 degree) - Part F. at 19 PIS 04Using November 22, 1858 as the birth date for Denver, it is in the Stars.My apologies and prayers to the people who were there longer than the stars, and to the suffering they have endured in this Night.It is difficult to take a bone out of a growling dogs mouth.Consider, that poor dog may choke on that bone.While the carpenter looks down from the cross,Can you "see" ?A YES vote for Amendment 44 is not about marijuana, it is not about getting high, it is about FREEDOM, FREEDOM from oppression, FREEDOM from the largest mistake that this big and mighty government has undertaken.A YES Vote for amendment 44 is a vote for the truest Freedom a FREEDOM from government and religion, a Freedom that belongs to the people who pay dearly to build and maintain this world.
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Comment #65 posted by goneposthole on October 25, 2006 at 15:03:03 PT
taxes
In Canada, there is the provincial sales tax and the general services tax. The Canadian government gets that money upfront, you pay in advance. You pay taxes through the nose up there, good grief.Did you get to vote for those taxes, or did the ever benevolent Canadian lawmakers just pass them into law?Also, the price of a litre of gas is 91 to 95 cents Canadian funds. That works out to about 3.60 Cdn dollars. It's plenty. Groceries are reasonably priced. I can buy some groceries up there, bring back enough to pay for the gas to make the trip.Of course, I fill my tank before I go so I don't have to buy gas in Canada. Oh yeah, I never buy any pot in Canada. With a little luck, a person will be able to go to Colorado or Nevada soon enough and be able to legally smoke it in those two states. Colorada and Nevada stand to make some big money. The vote needs to be monitored so that it isn't rigged. 
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Comment #64 posted by Toker00 on October 25, 2006 at 14:47:29 PT
I must make amends.
OToke.
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Comment #63 posted by Toker00 on October 25, 2006 at 14:43:08 PT
Max
I watched that today. Very well explained, and the sheer number of ex-IRS agents testifying that there is no written law that can be produced that shows we legally owe income tax, and that they stopped filing years ago. This just kills me. Count the years. Count the number of working people and what they paid in all those years. They have taken our ancestors wealth from us/them, and are hell bent on taking ours/our children's, too. The workers create the wealth, the Elite steal it, and spend it. Any way they want to. We are breathing DU radiation today, in Texas City, as the air blows in from the Gulf of Mexico. It blew across the African continent a few days ago, originating in Iraq, or Afghanistan, in the name of Freedom. And Democracy. The east coast is getting an unhealthy dose, too. The longer this war goes on, the more radiation will be blown about the face of the earth. It does not go away. Rain will not wash it off, once it has attached itself to a surface. Our soldiers children are being born wi...I can't go on. Bring our MEN and WOMEN home from abroad, and end this demonic quest for domination! Let us be Free! Share the Land! Share the glory of creation. Share, care.I love the Iranian people. I love the N. Korean people. I love Syrians, Palestinians, Libyans, and the rest. I'm not fighting them. The people don't want war. The people will do all those things, share, care, all that. So why do these ass holes bomb us/them? The people are willing for Peace. The so-called leaders (are they leading us into hell?) want nothing but war and terror. They use OUR money, and OUR bodies to control US. Where do we start, to stop this?On a note of vindication, I walked into work today, and the guys all started telling me that the voting machines were down, and there was a big deal about it in the paper, that the Republicans were purging the...blah, blah, blah. I had just told them yesterday to vote early because the...blah, blah, blah...I did not tell them I told them so.Wage Peace on war. END CANNABIS PRHIBITION NOW!
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Comment #62 posted by lombar on October 25, 2006 at 14:38:45 PT
Max Flowers
Although I am a Canadian, I am very interested in America: Freedom To Fascism, Aaron Russo, film. I am just watching it and wow!!! But not unexpected given the levels of duplucity by the Fed. Gov. in the drug war. Totally compelling, the IRS code is not legal, not constitutional. Show us the law? There is no law requiring American citizens to remit their taxes on income from labor, its a big scam. I mean, it's another big scam.Find out for yourselves, the world needs a strong, free, America, not the horrifying thing it is becoming!If they cannot cite a law, why is that? Because that law would be instantly challenged and turfed. I am sure there is a law here however ... err.. but I better check, just to be sure. Oh yeah, my government is actually owned by yours, just one of the things that trillion per year of extortion money can buy eh?
We The People Foundation
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Comment #61 posted by nuevo mexican on October 25, 2006 at 12:50:04 PT
Shaq joins war on civil liberties, screws up!
(Great news on Same-sex Marriage today, bush may propose to Jeff Gannon! Hastert and a Page too! Foley can hook-up with a 21 year old he met in Re-hab!Looking forward to the closet-case gay-bashers bash this one, now that looking at Republicans always makes one think of pedophiles and predators..)Back to Shaq:By TRAVIS REEDGoogle sponsored links
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And then denies it! Kobe doesn't like wanna-bes, and Shaq is bringing much needed attention to the militarization of the police, and it's side effects.Just part of what the 'war on drugs' has accomplished, paving the war to the loss of Habeas Corpus, fulfilling all of our predictions that bush would live up to his promise to be a 'diktator' at his first press conference. Todays' press conference should be his last, he ran off the stage huffing and beet red, pissed at the questions that were being asked that weren't asked when they should of been.Don't celebrate yet, there's lots of election stealing going on as we speak, though likely this time to be exposed after the elections, which is fine, either way, the truth is coming out, if anyone hasn't noticed!What has the NBA and being Drug-free done for Shaq:
(team players must know he's likely a narc, a big secret in the press, likely not amongst the players, this blows his cover regardless, anyone care to digress?)The Miami Heat center, who pursues his interest in law enforcement during the offseason, denied Tuesday taking part in serving the search warrant at the wrong house Sept. 23. However, Bedford County Sheriff's Lt. Michael Harmony confirmed to The Associated Press that O'Neal was there.O'Neal, in Orlando to play a preseason game Tuesday, was asked about the raid and several times somewhat playfully responded, "It wasn't me."http://rawstory.com/showarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fapnews.myway.com%2F%2Farticle%2F20061025%2FD8KVM5CO0.html
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Comment #60 posted by Max Flowers on October 25, 2006 at 11:47:13 PT
Russo Film Exposes Criminal Banking Syndicate
Steve Watson & Alex Jones / Infowars.net | October 25 2006In his new film America: Freedom To Fascism, Aaron Russo expertly exposes the traitorous Federal Reserve Act and the fact that there is no law that stipulates American citizens have to pay income taxes. The ratification of the 16th amendment, also known as the "Tax amendment", represents a fundamental undermining of Constitutional law in America. It is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated against the American people by the elite private banking institutions that have usurped government as an arm of their overall control mechanism.Russo presents interviews with an impressive range of government officials, IRS special agents , FBI officers, Politicians and tax attorneys who have researched and subsequently campaigned against the Federal Reserve Act and thus reveals why the IRS is an illegal foundation.The income tax does not meet either criteria of Constitutionally legal taxation in America, that is direct apportioned tax or indirect uniform tax. The IRS claims that the 16th Amendment allowed for a third form of taxation, however, the Supreme court ruling on the amendment states that it allows for no new forms of taxation. More supreme court cases in the same period confirm the same conclusion. The 16th Amendment did not allow the Federal Government to levy a new tax, thus there is no Constitutional basis for the income tax.(read the rest at http://www.infowars.net/articles/October2006/251006Russo.htm )
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Comment #59 posted by FoM on October 25, 2006 at 11:22:25 PT
Paul
It's good to see you. 
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Comment #58 posted by paulpeterson on October 25, 2006 at 10:18:04 PT
Remember IOM 99, people-and U of Iowa
IOM 99 clearly indicated marijuana is NOT THE GATEWAY DRUG-cigs and booze are-marijuana is just in the "cascade" as another drug to go further on-not the gateway. And most people don't move on to those other powders up the nose things, anyway.Also, in 2002 a Univ. of Iowa researcher told me they had been doing PET scans for some 5 years-the results:1) marijuana increases blood flow in the ventral areas-where emotional thoughts are processed-think love.2) no permanent brain changes from even chronic and heavy usage of marijuana.3) specifically, no "rewiring" of the "stimulus-reward axis" like with those stimulant powders up the nose-cocaine hard wires the axis-which is why it is tough to beat such addictions-due to the heavy dopamine surges (100-200%) the worst one being cigarettes. Marijuana increases dopamine by about 35%-the same as for acquisition of food. And food isn't subject to 10-20 years like marijuana possession is, etc."Marijuana-don't have carbs". Nice touch. And thanks for listening. PAUL PETERSON, from enemy territory in NW Iowa.
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Comment #57 posted by Had Enough on October 25, 2006 at 09:57:47 PT
Toker 56
If #7 & #44 passes. Oh you know it will make a difference. Iím positive of that.Glad to see you found a strong enough branch to grasp. If #7 & #44 passes, that branch will be easier for others to grasp without fear. But we will still have way further to go after that.Voters of Colorado/Nevada, make it happen. Go vote for sanity, vote for mankind. Take a friend with you.
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Comment #56 posted by Toker00 on October 25, 2006 at 09:07:43 PT
Had Enough
As the water was about to rush over my head for the third time, I saw a twig on the bank and I desperately reached out and grabbed it. It was Cannabis. Not a family member, but Cannabis.So many men sitting in bars on the weekend could be home teaching their children about things. Or actually building a relationship with the woman in their lives. How many? When 44 passes, they should do a study of bar attendance, vilence, domestic disturbances, and see if cannabis really does make a difference. It will. Toke.
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Comment #55 posted by FoM on October 25, 2006 at 09:05:28 PT
Toker00
I was waiting for a guy to say something about the chick! LOL! 
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Comment #54 posted by Toker00 on October 25, 2006 at 08:58:02 PT
Beautiful Bill Board
"Marijuana: No Hangovers, No Violence, No Carbs!"Plus you get the really cool chicks!Toke.
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Comment #53 posted by FoM on October 25, 2006 at 07:49:01 PT
Wayne
I was shocked when Limbaugh said that about Michael J. Fox. So many on the right are so hateful and seem to think being a republican is a religion and requires devotion or something. Politics are just politics. 
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Comment #52 posted by paul armentano on October 25, 2006 at 07:37:43 PT
FOX re: new SAFER billboard [excerpt]
http://www.myfoxcolorado.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=1271349&version=5&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1New Pro-Marijuana Billboards Debut Campaign Highlights 'Benefits' to Health, Society DENVER †--† Colorado's Amendment 44 campaign took it's message to the street Tuesday.Several new billboards were unveiled to promote -what advocates insist- would be the personal health benefits, and the positive impact on society if marijuana was legalized....The billboards feature a bikini-clad woman and read "Marijuana: No Hangovers, No Violence, No Carbs!""We will continue to do everything in our power to make people thing about the fact that our laws irrationally drive people to drink and prohibit the use of marijuana," said SAFER Campaign Director Mason Tvert.
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Comment #51 posted by paul armentano on October 25, 2006 at 07:35:05 PT
Another CO paper endorses SAFER
ē Amendment 44: This legalizes possession of up to one ounce of marijuana for adults 21 years and older. Marijuana is proven to be less dangerous than alcohol, which is already tolerated, and we believe our police have more important jobs to do than jailing folks for a small-time recreational habit. That said, it's still up to parents to teach responsibility, and driving under the influence should never be tolerated.
http://summitdaily.com/article/20061023/OPINION/110230037
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Comment #50 posted by Had Enough on October 25, 2006 at 06:54:23 PT
re:Toker #12 Brother Against Brother
The only war that has ever turned American Brother against Brother, Father against Son, Uncle against Nephew, was the Civil War, until this Drug War came along. I noticed Las Vegas police officer Todd Raybuck didnít mention this to his audience. Probably never will, probably doesnít realize it.Toker. Thanks for sharing that. I have known others that have experienced similar. Itís a crying shame that people turn their backs on others over pure ignorance. They say this and that, and then when you watch what they do, the hypocrisy just drives you nuts. Sometimes you feel like shaking them by the collar and telling them to wake up, look around, see whatís going down. Sure is the craziest world Iíve ever been in. I think you are doing well with yourself and the path of your life from what I can gather reading your posts. I had my moments when I was a youngster too, as time went on; I chose paths that werenít so hard on the body and soul. Or at least I think I did, itís a daily continuous thing, if you know what I mean. Hang in there brother, were all in this together, we will prevail.Give your Dachshunds a scratch behind the ear for me. Dogs. Truly mans best friend. Yes, People should be more like them.
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Comment #49 posted by FoM on October 25, 2006 at 06:35:19 PT
Toker00 and Wayne
I don't like to buy a lot of things. I hate shopping and always have. We used Green siding for our house and did a selective selling of our trees this summer. I mind all the plastic that we use and then throw away. Plastic is with us forever and with the population of the earth growing that to me is going to be a big problem. I also worry that the water supply in heavily populated areas won't be safe in the future. Pure water is more important then just about anything.
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Comment #48 posted by potpal on October 25, 2006 at 06:05:49 PT
SAFER
Some great new stuff there.Like the new billboards!http://cat.he.net/%7Esaferco/uploaded_images/clip_image002-771972.png
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Comment #47 posted by Wayne on October 25, 2006 at 05:39:48 PT
OT: speaking of big fat idiots
This caught my eye this morning. Rush Limbaugh is accusing Michael J. Fox of faking his Parkinson's. People should be screaming bloody murder on this one, that is WAY out of line.
Limbaugh mocks Michael J. Fox ad
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Comment #46 posted by Wayne on October 25, 2006 at 05:32:15 PT
re: #35 & #43
"You'll find that many 'right-to-life'rs concern ends with birth, the kid can enjoy all the wonders a life of poverty can bring. They'll have no trouble hanging the kid when he grows up to be a 'criminal' because he 'failed to make the right choices'."Lombar, you hit the nail right on the head, my friend. I tell people that all the time, and I call those people for what they are: "anti-abortion" or "anti-choice". If you don't like abortion and want it to be outlawed, that's your prerogative. But if you are in favor of the death penalty, you are NOT "pro-life". It boggles my mind how many people don't pick up on that. I personally will not let someone off the hook that easily.As for the planet, it is not our toilet. Recycling and renewable fuels and materials alone would solve our problem. I'm convinced of it. We recycle here at home, and it's not that difficult. And it really does make us feel like we're doing some good. But I wonder what really happens to it, since the garbage trucks are the ones that pick it up. If only I knew for sure that that waste was really going to the recycling center and not the landfill, it would help me to sleep better.
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Comment #45 posted by Toker00 on October 25, 2006 at 05:22:22 PT
FoM article #43 - Consumans
There is only one solution to this. STOP CONSUMING. Remove the Cons from Consumans and replace the H. The H stands for HUMANITY! Please re-cycle and re-use. Stop buying NEW. Wear those clothes till you can actually tell you've worn them.We have to stop consuming. We have to. Just my morning rant.IT'S THE HUMANITY STUPID!Ahem. Thank you. And thank you, God, for Cannabis and all these fine Humans.Wage Peace on war. END CANNABIS PROHIBITION NOW! 
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Comment #44 posted by kaptinemo on October 25, 2006 at 05:14:03 PT:
Mayan, I noticed that too
Mr. Burns needs to check his shirt pocket for mice feces. 'We' indeed...And notice, too, the attempt to make Eastern States whipping boys. As if there was something inherently wrong with their political structures that doesn't occur to Western States. Does Mr. Burns really want to set one State against another? Have we forgotten what happened the last time that occured? Mr. Burns is playing with political fire, here, and he sorely needs those pinkies burned. For what else is he implying other than Western States are somehow more...virtuous... than Eastern ones? Less corruptible? This is bald-faced Federal 'divide-and-conquer' if ever there was a case of it. I hope the people of Nevada see through this transparent ruse and vote for 7, if only out of spite for this insultingly sophomoric attempt to manipulate them,.
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Comment #43 posted by FoM on October 24, 2006 at 20:58:11 PT
Off Topic: Humans Living Far Beyond Planet's Means
BEIJING (Reuters) - Humans are stripping nature at an unprecedented rate and will need two planets' worth of natural resources every year by 2050 on current trends, the WWF conservation group said on Tuesday. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061024/ts_nm/environment_wwf_planet_dc
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Comment #42 posted by The GCW on October 24, 2006 at 20:10:40 PT
Police make citizens puke.
Credibility of police is right up there with TV commercials.44444444444447777777777777Notice the 3 mentioned helping support 7 are doing so gladly.Notice how many people are paying for govnerment opposing 7 & 44 that are not in support of opposing it; but are in fact voting to end the prohibition of cannabis.So, there are people paying for evil that are not choosing to do so...Everyone paying to support 7 & 44 are doing so because they do choose to do so.7&44 7&44 7&44 7&44Activists should create a friendly competition that helps garner more votes in the long run.Example:My state can get more votes than Your state...Oh yeah???I bet My state gets more than Your7
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Comment #41 posted by mayan on October 24, 2006 at 18:21:01 PT
Us???
"They picked us because our Western rural heritage is we don't like people like me coming in and telling you how to vote or what to do. They're not in Connecticut, New Hampshire, Delaware or Vermont. They think they can con you."  - Scott Burns, deputy director of the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy for State and Local AffairsPoof! Scott Burns just materialized as a Nevada citizen! It's Magic!THE WAY OUT IS THE WAY IN...Islam class forum for 9/11 Truth - by Kevin Barrett:
http://badgerherald.com/oped/2006/10/23/islam_class_forum_fo.phpLocal group pushes 9/11 conspiracy theory - Film to be screened at Crater High says someone is lying:
http://www.mailtribune.com/archive/2006/1024/local/stories/911plot.htmGore Vidal Assured Military Would Prevent Staged Terror:
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/october2006/241006gorevidal.htmA Report on the Italian 9/11 Conference:
http://911blogger.com/node/4008The case of Curt Weldon: Republican congressman targeted after criticizing 9/11 cover-up:
http://wsws.org/articles/2006/oct2006/weld-o23.shtmlMany Questions Remain Long After the 9/11 Attacks:
http://www.newsofinterest.tv/911.html
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Comment #40 posted by global_warming on October 24, 2006 at 15:51:07 PT
In Some Thousand Years
I have lived and breathed the Blessed Air,Have looked up at the night skyThose lights in the skyStars, twinkle, so far away,A few more minutes that I may breathe and beholdYour Magnitude and Your PowerMay I be absorbed in Your Wonder
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Comment #39 posted by global_warming on October 24, 2006 at 15:17:41 PT
Time For Change
If you think that the Russians had it bad under Stalin, with all that repression and work camps in Siberia, then look in the mirror Mr. and Mrs. America, you will see the greatest Nation stuck in some fucking time warp, that is allowing big beuracratic government to control every aspect of human existence.The Russians have accepted change, yet here in River City, We Will Stay The Course, Oh I forgot, that catchy little phrase is no longer in vouge, it is time to change the way "we" the people see this world.If you are here and reading these words, then surely you must know that Cannabis has been around for thousands of years, it has been balm and nectar to our souls, unlike alcohol which inebriates and leads to death, Cannabis is a gateway to the stars, a gateway to your Everlasting Soul.
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Comment #38 posted by FoM on October 24, 2006 at 15:11:38 PT
Toker00 and Lombar
In my life there are many things I don't believe are right for me personally. We all have a conscience and different issues bother one person and won't bother another. We can't make people think all the same. I don't want us to all think the same. We learn as we live. We can't learn as we live if around every bend is a new road block to our growth in the form of a law against our own personal morality. We will stay stuck and have a narrow way of viewing life. What good does that do anyone?
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Comment #37 posted by goneposthole on October 24, 2006 at 15:05:09 PT
Lombar, you're making too much sense
You have become suspect by virtue of your well-reasoned argument. You've become too schmart for your own good. Keep up the good work, you're doing a heckuva job.Don't do that, though. You're gonna get burned... at the stake. The DEA has the power that the Pope once had. Their caps that are emblazoned with DEA across the front might as well be mitred hats.Yes, I know. When I see the prices of Canadian beer in Canada, I come back home and buy it here. When I was in Canada the last time, the liquor stores were locked tighter than the Bank of Canada. No need to wonder why.The citizens of Nevada need to call a halt to the propaganda and use their noggins.A 'yes' vote on measure 7 is a no-brainer. Scott Burns insulted the Nevada voters by calling them 'guinea pigs.' 
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Comment #36 posted by Toker00 on October 24, 2006 at 14:45:36 PT
lombar, Kap.,
Word!Toke.
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Comment #35 posted by lombar on October 24, 2006 at 14:37:49 PT
FoM
I see reproductive rights as relating to a persons ownership of themselves. If we don't have personal 'sovereignty' we are chattel, state owned. It's about control... (and cheap labor) the rights of the unborn hardly matter when we are always fighting for the rights of the existant... we are deemed 'evil' and worthy of prison for using cannabis. Why should the rights of the unborn outweigh the rights of the mother(s)? That is a highly personal choice that is not my business(unless it is in my personal sphere and even then only if asked NMB!), one way or the other, highly variable in nature of circumstance so some blanket ban to appease the simple minded only creates suffering. You'll find that many 'right-to-life'rs concern ends with birth, the kid can enjoy all the wonders a life of poverty can bring. They'll have no trouble hanging the kid when he grows up to be a 'criminal' because he 'failed to make the right choices'.
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Comment #34 posted by Toker00 on October 24, 2006 at 14:36:51 PT
FoM, Max
Faaaarrrrr out! You know, FoM, I remember as a child, my parents and other family members being patriotic, but cautious. They were always on the look out for ATF, because our county was dry, and they went to bootleggers like we go to cannaleggers. They talked about them like we talk about the DEA. They would talk about how they were going to vote so-n-so in next election, and the people of the county were just sick and tired of having to watch their backs just to have a drink or two, and saddened by having to attend funerals of their children who died on their way back from the wet counties, because even the bootleggers wouldn't sell to children, but some of the liquor stores at the state line, would. A young teenager can get drunk on just a beer or two. By the time they drove thirty miles back from getting the booze which they always consumed on the way back, they were driving drunk. "We'll vote it wet this time!" It never happened. Today, as you drive through these dry counties, you can see white crosses marking the spot where a child missed the T in the road, or went straight in a curve, it's sad. The church ladies always rounded up the girls (Sorry, I'm not blaming women here, just relating), and put the booze-heads to rest. Prohibition. Gotta Hate it.Max, I think of this time when we really don't know how things are gonna go, as the calm before the storm. The Perfect Storm. The one that will blow the Elite into the Abyss. We, the People, need LOVE, not DOMINATION! We need Leaders, not Liars. Healers, not Legal Drug Pushers. Comfort, not Terror. The Hippies were Right! About everything! Tie-Dye Forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Toke.
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Comment #33 posted by lombar on October 24, 2006 at 14:17:12 PT
Now now...
Sometimes stolen booze gets traded for whatever. Maybe not so much in the USA, here alcohol is expensive. Taxed heavily here, a 6-pack costs ~$12 cdn (I am not sure, never buy it), a mickey of some rum was ~$12. We used to hear tales of cheap beer in the USA.. here the state assumes some false high moral ground about cannabis but allows casinos and liquor stores on every corner. Its all making me so sick that even cannabis doesn't help much anymore.What about the children of those gambling addicts who bet the rent? Pimped out on main street to pay the bookie? (or the payday loan legal loan sharking that crusaders overlook)How about when people on welfare with kids lose their kids because of their poverty related problems who then go to foster homes where the foster parents get more than the original parents from the welfare system?These self-styled anti-cannabis crusaders overlook poor living conditions and mold in homes where kids live UNLESS there was a grow op there, then the mold related health problems are plastered in the media.The media that is a corporate prostitute that could not investigate its way out of a paper bag, or if they could, could not report the real malfeasance by the upper echelons without biting the hand that feeds!Its an endless dance of Mammom worship, war, poverty, ignorance, greed is inexhaustible, always more profits. The cycle is coming around again, the monetary supply and economies have been deliberately manipulated, the notions of wealth and prosperity have been supplanted by short-term profit taking and wholesale rapine of the earth! Just to see what monkey or group of monkies gets the top of the tree!Is there any more 'moral relativism' than 'the end justifies the means'?
"Drug use has declined because people have worked hard to reduce it," Burns said. "We're not going to accept this as inevitable and accommodate it."This is common, perhaps it is they, who have never smoked any cannabis, who are incapable of any higher reasoning or abstract thought? Missed any critical thinking that might have somehow snuck its way into the educational systems?Since the 'state' never knew how much drug use there was/is, it is not possible to know if drug use has risen, declined or stayed the same overall. We can measure hospital admissions, criminal arrests, and treatment industry statistics but none of these can truly guage the levels of drugs use in actuality.Cannabis users are an officially hated subgroup within society. The status quo of this is maintained by constant lies and misdirection to support the profits for police, pharmas, tobacco and alcohol industries . It is greed, prejudice and hatred at its core that drives it all which makes it thouroughly rotten and these people flying the banners 'for the children' are despicable human beings, barely worthy of the sack of flesh they inhabit! Society is being held hostage and being extorted by deception, criminals worldwide can rejoice because hell will freeze over before these people ever see reason.
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Comment #32 posted by FoM on October 24, 2006 at 14:16:22 PT
A Question
I heard this before but I just heard it again on CNN. They call Democrats the Party of Acid, Amnesty and Abortion. I never heard that but yes in the 60s people expanded their minds by using LSD and they felt they should be forgiving of soldiers who didn't feel morally right about going to Vietnam and yes they believe that a woman should have the right to decide for herself about Abortion. Why is that a bad thing to some people?
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Comment #31 posted by kaptinemo on October 24, 2006 at 13:58:23 PT:
Psychological projection
A definition: In psychology, psychological projection (or projection bias) is a defense mechanism in which one attributes ("projects") to others, oneís own unacceptable or unwanted thoughts or/and emotions. Projection reduces anxiety by allowing the expression of the unwanted subconscious impulses/desires without letting the ego recognize them"This initiative is funded 98 percent from Washington, D.C.," he said, naming John Sperling, founder of the University of Phoenix; Peter Lewis of Progressive Insurance Co.; and billionaire investor George Soros and the money men behind the ballot measure."They picked us because our Western rural heritage is we don't like people like me coming in and telling you how to vote or what to do. They're not in Connecticut, New Hampshire, Delaware or Vermont. They think they can con you."Hoo, boy! Talk about a classic textbook case of projection! It would appear Mr. Burns is suffering from a severe form, of it; he's the one from Washington DC seeking to 'con' the locals...and using taxpayer's dollars to do the conning. But like most people suffering from projection, he attributes his base motivations to his opponents, while steadfastly maintaining his side operates from moral imperatives as pure as the driven snow.Filthy, manure mucked slush is more like it.For when stripped of the rhetoric and examined logically, what do we find? We find that those who have financially supported drug law reform do not stand in any way to profit materially from it. Whereas, the same cannot be said of the DrugWarrior's motives for opposition to any drug law reform; put quite simply, it's their meal ticket. Which makes all their rhetoric null and void when they publicly confronted by that fact. A confrontation that they find singularly distressing, for when Joe Sixpack makes the logical leap and realizes that this is all a rigged game, heíll wonder why so much of his money was wasted on it. Ruminations that the DrugWarriors don't want the average citizen to engage in; gives them ideas, dontcha know? Ideas like maybe the whole DrugWar needs to be rethought...and those who fight it be retired.
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Comment #30 posted by goneposthole on October 24, 2006 at 13:02:26 PT
I hate meth
And don't be tying the meth problem with the marijauna smokers. They are connected merely through economics and nothing else. Meth users need help. They are straining the system.Sow the wind, reap a whirlwind. That's what probitionists have done. They don't want to believe it, all they believe is all of their own lies about drug use.legal cannabis will make a complete disconnect with other drugs. You don't go buy booze from the cannabis dealer. He'd laugh at you.
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Comment #29 posted by Truth on October 24, 2006 at 11:49:46 PT
ABC
You go ABC. This kind of surprises me from the Disney Network.
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Comment #28 posted by observer on October 24, 2006 at 11:44:27 PT
propaganda analysis
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Scott Burns, deputy director of the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy for State and Local Affairs, said the power behind the initiative was using Nevada as a "guinea pig" to see if it can legalize all drugs . 
(Sentence 2) re: "legalize all drugs", "legalize" - Drug policy options are presented as either total prohibition, or as total "legalization." No middle ground is contemplated in the "zero-tolerance" world of prohibition. Absolute prohibition executed with religious fervor and purpose! (Total Prohibition or Access (propaganda theme 7) http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/pg/propaganda/theme7.htm#7 ) 
 
 
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He spoke at a panel discussion at the Dayton Community Center on Question 7 sponsored by Healthy Communities Coalition of Lyon and Storey Counties, which opposes the measure . 
(Sentence 3) re: "Community", "Communities" - Prohibitionists assert that the survival of the community, society, the nation, the world, etc. are at stake. Only continued and increased punishments for drug users can be contemplated, because, say prohibitionists, society will otherwise fall apart. (Survival of Society (propaganda theme 3) http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/pg/propaganda/theme3.htm#3 ) 
 
 
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"This initiative is funded 98 percent from Washington, D.C.," he said, naming John Sperling, founder of the University of Phoenix; Peter Lewis of Progressive Insurance Co.; and billionaire investor George Soros and the money men behind the ballot measure . 
(Sentence 4) re: "George Soros", "Peter Lewis", "John Sperling", "billionaire" - Because they hold differing opinions on drug policy, say prohibitionists, "legalizers" should be silenced or jailed. (Dissent Attacked (propaganda theme 8) http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/pg/propaganda/theme8.htm#8 ) 
 
 
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But Burns and other panel members, Las Vegas police officer Todd Raybuck and John Shields, head of the New Frontier Treatment Center in Fallon, said passage would make drug use more acceptable and encourage use among children . 
(Sentence 10) re: "drug use" - Any use of an illegal drug is deemed to be "abuse," weasels the propaganda of prohibition. (After all - it is illegal!) (Use is Abuse (propaganda theme 4) http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/pg/propaganda/theme4.htm#alluseisabuse ) re: "children" - Prohibitionists play on parental fears by exaggerating the dangers to children of drugs. Adults must be jailed (reason prohibitionists), because kids might be corrupted with drugs. (Children Corrupted (propaganda theme 5) http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/pg/propaganda/theme5.htm#5 ) 
 
 
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Burns said that the drug use among youth is decreasing, and passage of Question 7 would make it seem like a normal thing to do . 
(Sentence 13) re: "drug use" - Prohibitionist propagandists repeatedly assert that "use is abuse." Details about "using" as opposed to "abusing" drugs are ignored. (Use is Abuse (propaganda theme 4) http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/pg/propaganda/theme4.htm#alluseisabuse ) re: "youth" - "Nothing can so excite an adult population as can anything which appears to threaten their own children." [W.White,1979] (Children Corrupted (propaganda theme 5) http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/pg/propaganda/theme5.htm#5 ) 
 
 
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"Why after we have worked so hard to lessen drug use in America would we want to make drugs more available?" he asked . 
(Sentence 14) re: "America" - The survival of society is assured, -- says the propaganda of prohibition -- as long as drug users are punished (jailed). (Survival of Society (propaganda theme 3) http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/pg/propaganda/theme3.htm#3 ) re: "drug use" - The rhetoric of prohibition will assume that "use" and "abuse" are identical. (Use is Abuse (propaganda theme 4) http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/pg/propaganda/theme4.htm#alluseisabuse ) 
 
 
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All of the panelists focused on the effect passage could have on children, and called it a "gateway drug" and insisted it was addictive . 
(Sentence 15) re: "addictive" - The rhetoric of prohibition asserts that insanity, crime, and violence are caused by drugs, or are controlled by prohibition. (Madness,Crime,Violence,Illness (propaganda theme 2) http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/pg/propaganda/theme2.htm#2 ) re: "gateway drug", "gateway" - Prohibition propaganda is rich with claims targeted drugs 'lead to' something even more frightful. (Use is Abuse, Gateway (propaganda theme 4) http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/pg/propaganda/theme4.htm#4 ) re: "children" - Prohibitionist propaganda continually whips up parental fear, invoking lurid images of children corrupted by drugs. (Children Corrupted (propaganda theme 5) http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/pg/propaganda/theme5.htm#5 ) 
 
 
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"We do see a lot of folks addicted to marijuana," Shields said . 
(Sentence 16) re: "addicted" - Drugs, scream prohibitionists, cause all bad things in life: crime, violence, insanity, etc. If not for prohibition (i.e., jailing drug users), then criminality, violence and psychotic behavior would explode upon the land, the prohibitionist assures us. (Madness,Crime,Violence,Illness (propaganda theme 2) http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/pg/propaganda/theme2.htm#2 ) 
 
 
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Raybuck, a 14-year veteran of the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department said today's marijuana is 50 percent to 70 percent more potent than it was in the 1960s and '70s and has a chilling effect on youth . 
(Sentence 18) re: "youth" - Drug war propaganda plays on parental fears for the well being of their kids. If drug users are not jailed, says the prohibitionist, then your children will surely suffer. (Children Corrupted (propaganda theme 5) http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/pg/propaganda/theme5.htm#5 ) 
 
 
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Raybuck said the brother is now doing a long stretch in prison for crimes he committed while on drugs . 
(Sentence 26) re: "crimes" - Drugs, claim the prohibitionist, cause insanity, violence, and terrible sickness. (Madness,Crime,Violence,Illness (propaganda theme 2) http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/pg/propaganda/theme2.htm#2 ) 
 
 
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Allan Veil of the Lyon County Sheriff's Office, who was standing in for Sheriff Sid Smith, said the department does not focus on busting pot users for marijuana smoking alone . 
(Sentence 33) re: "users", "pot users" - Drug war propaganda insinuates drugs are evil, because they are linked with hated groups. (Hated Groups (propaganda theme 1) http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/pg/propaganda/theme1.htm#1 ) re: "pot users" - Prohibitionists try to hammer in the idea that 'all use is abuse.' The rhetoric of prohibition needs to deny that many people can use currently illegal drugs without abusing them. (Use is Abuse (propaganda theme 4) http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/pg/propaganda/theme4.htm#alluseisabuse ) 
 
 
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"We focus very little resources on marijuana use only," he said . 
(Sentence 34) re: "marijuana use" - Prohibition propaganda claims that all use of any "drug" is abuse. (Use is Abuse (propaganda theme 4) http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/pg/propaganda/theme4.htm#alluseisabuse ) 
 
 
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"We focus on marijuana use along with that of other drugs and the crimes committed by marijuana users."
(Sentence 35) re: "crimes" - Drugs, the prohibitionist explains, are a wicked bane on modern man. Why if not for the noble drug war (i.e. jailing drug users), exclaims the propagandist, then people will run amok, and violence, death, psychosis, and plague shall cover the land. (Madness,Crime,Violence,Illness (propaganda theme 2) http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/pg/propaganda/theme2.htm#2 ) re: "marijuana use", "marijuana users" - Prohibitionists try to hammer in the idea that 'all use is abuse.' The rhetoric of prohibition needs to deny that many people can use currently illegal drugs without abusing them. (Use is Abuse (propaganda theme 4) http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/pg/propaganda/theme4.htm#alluseisabuse ) 
 
 
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"Kids are getting it from Mom and Dad, who are either their giving it to the kids or the kids are stealing from Mom and Dad's stash," he said . 
(Sentence 38) re: "Kids" - "Since the Harrison Act of 1914, the user and the seller of illicit drugs have both been characterized as evil, criminal, insane, and always in search of new victims, the victims are characterized as young children." [W.White,1979] (Children Corrupted (propaganda theme 5) http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/pg/propaganda/theme5.htm#5 ) 
 
 
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"Drug use has declined because people have worked hard to reduce it," Burns said . 
(Sentence 39) re: "Drug use" - "This strategy equates the use and abuse of drugs and implies that it is impossible to use the particular drug or drugs in question without physical, mental, and moral deterioration." [W.White,1979] (Use is Abuse (propaganda theme 4) http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/pg/propaganda/theme4.htm#alluseisabuse ) 
 
 
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Note: Pro-marijuana legalization protesters at panel discussion . 
(Sentence 41) re: "legalization" - Onward prohibitionist drug warriors, fighting the epidemic and scourge in the battles of the war against drugs! (Drugs declared evil by politicians, that is.) (Total Prohibition or Access (propaganda theme 7) http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/pg/propaganda/theme7.htm#7 ) re: "Pro-marijuana" - People who step forward in disagreement with prohibition are attacked and sometimes jailed. (Dissent Attacked (propaganda theme 8) http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/pg/propaganda/theme8.htm#8 ) 
 
 
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Comment #27 posted by FoM on October 24, 2006 at 10:59:03 PT
The Pros of Pot: Celebrities Speak Out
Pictures: http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/popup?id=2602656
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Comment #26 posted by FoM on October 24, 2006 at 10:52:29 PT
OT: Kesey Home Memorializes Movement from '60s
By Julia Scott, MediaNewsOctober 23, 2006The redwood trees surrounding Ken Kesey's old house seem strangely peaceful for all they've been through.Few signs remain of the Merry Pranksters' camp in the woods in La Honda, their 1960s' LSD parties and sound experiments immortalized by Tom Wolfe in ``The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test.''A blue splash of paint on a tree trunk is the last vestige of the Pranksters' forest-wide paint job, once a Day-Glo cathedral of pink, blue and green.A long wire disappearing into the branches of another redwood marks the Pranksters' habit of setting microphones on the forest floor to pick up the sounds of scurrying woodland creatures -- and the occasional snooping cop.Complete Article: http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/15827025.htm
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Comment #25 posted by FoM on October 24, 2006 at 10:24:55 PT
dongenero
I agree! Thanks RNC! LOL! Gosh the house looks like one I would want to live in!
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Comment #24 posted by dongenero on October 24, 2006 at 10:12:39 PT
faroutbrown
Grrr....that sonofab!tch is for peace and human rights!!Grrrr.How funny. That is a cool flash movie but, is it supposed to be against him? Looks like a pretty good endorsement to me.
Based on this, I guess I would vote for him.Thanks RNC!
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Comment #23 posted by ekim on October 24, 2006 at 10:04:09 PT
from Libbys site
Loretta Nall for Governor of AlabamaWhoohoo! My pal Loretta hit the national news. She did an interview with the AP yesterday and there's 120 stories on Google News. Just about every major MSM picked it up off the wire . She's on Fox, CBS, in the WaPo. Heck even The Guardian picked up the story. 
http://lastonespeaks.blogspot.com/
http://www.lastonespeaks.blogspot.com/
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Comment #22 posted by Max Flowers on October 24, 2006 at 09:58:34 PT
Toker (#16)
I think that there is a massive reckoning coming, that when we become fully awake as a nation to what has been going on, that there is going to be a new era of truth and justice in America. Heads are going to have to roll.I HAVE to think that, because if I don't believe that, then I have to start making plans to live in some other country.
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Comment #21 posted by FoM on October 24, 2006 at 09:55:26 PT
This Is Funny To Me
http://www.faroutbrown.com/
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Comment #20 posted by FoM on October 24, 2006 at 09:49:55 PT
Toker00
The only way to solve the problems in the world is to love one another and be patient with one another and maybe if we try hard enough and that spirit starts to flow once again around the country we might see a better future. 
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Comment #19 posted by Toker00 on October 24, 2006 at 09:43:35 PT
FoM
I love you too, man! Umm Feman? Tell me love can't cure the world!Toke. Love is all you need, huh, John?
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Comment #18 posted by Toker00 on October 24, 2006 at 09:39:50 PT
Wow, Max.
I'm truly humbled.Toke.
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Comment #17 posted by FoM on October 24, 2006 at 09:39:15 PT
Toker00 
I love you man! We care and that matters. Families don't understand us many times. In the end it really is our own individual journey and no one elses.
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Comment #16 posted by Toker00 on October 24, 2006 at 09:38:02 PT
Hey, Max
I believe the Bush cabal thinks America will wake up about 9-11, hit the snooze button, fart, roll over and go back to sleep. What do you think? You know, they've taken all the rest of our rights, so do we still have the right to remain silent? Or is this where the power to torture comes into play? (Sign ze papaus ole' man! Whack, whack! Sign ze papaus!...whack, whack! Sign zeeeeeeee papauuuuuuuss ole' man! Old man, weeping: I cannot sign ze papaus! But why not ole' man? Because you have broken all my fingers!) Toke.
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Comment #15 posted by Max Flowers on October 24, 2006 at 09:36:11 PT
Toker
I feel you man, and sympathize with you. But remember, you have brothers and sisters here. You have family here. You're my brother too, and I don't judge you. In fact I see things the way you do.I lost a brother to alcoholism and murder, but if you have overcome alcoholism with cannabis, then you are the brother I wish I had, or let's say the brother I wish my brother could have been strong enough to be.We may have dysfunctional blood family (because I do too), but we have strong and true internet cannabis family! Some may think that sounds silly, but we'll see who's laughing at the end of the story! Ha ha!
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Comment #14 posted by FoM on October 24, 2006 at 09:35:08 PT
Max Flowers
I want to remember Peace and not war and fear and hate and being judged and condemned and all the other things they are trying to do to us. I want to be me that's all.
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Comment #13 posted by Max Flowers on October 24, 2006 at 09:27:14 PT
FoM
That's right---we fear the REAL terrorists. Not Al-Qaeda, but Al-Congress, Al-Bush, Al-Cheney, et al.
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Comment #12 posted by Toker00 on October 24, 2006 at 09:25:48 PT
Excuse me bro...
"I can tell you about this brother, because he's my brother," Raybuck said.Some brother. This is how my family did me about using cannabis. They tell people what a loser I am because I don't own property, or big boy toys, and I don't go to "church" every week. Well, it's been a hard f*cking life not having the support of my family that most people just take for granted. I tell them I've defeated my alcoholism with cannabis use, and I don't care about owning anything, renting is just fine with me. Only very recently have they even begun giving me the time of day. I must admit though, they are coming around about 9-11. Inch by inch, step by step, slowly they turn.Toke.
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Comment #11 posted by FoM on October 24, 2006 at 09:07:33 PT
Max Flowers
I am not afraid of terrorists at all. I am afraid of Republicans and this administration though. If I lived in the small portion of the USA back in New York or Washington, DC I would be very anxious with all the sirens and noise and police everywhere but that is only a very small part of the USA. Meanwhile people have to suffer because of the paranoia back in those areas.
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Comment #10 posted by Max Flowers on October 24, 2006 at 08:50:32 PT
It's a big con game
I want to say one more thing about fear and terrorism. I don't know about any of you, but since 9/11 I have not seen ONE SINGLE PERSON express abject or even significant fear of terrorists or terrorist attack, not one. And I know I personally don't walk around in any kind of fear of that. That is the reason I get so angry and frustrated at all this supposition on the part of politicians that anyone in the country is ready to trade any liberty for security. I haven't seen ANYTHING of the sort!So I find it extremely insulting that our so-called "leaders" attribute to us this fearful, terrorized state without really checking to see if we really are in that state. We're NOT in that state. We are a lot tougher than that. I think they are making it up, and everyone just assumes it's the OTHER guy who's so afraid. Meanwhile, none of us actually are, and it's a con game being played by the politicians.If you come right to the point and ask any American point-blank "Are you willing to live in a Cuba-like police state to be guaranteed that there will be no more terrorist attacks here" I assure you, every last person would say "no way!" 
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Comment #9 posted by FoM on October 24, 2006 at 08:46:12 PT
nuevo mexican 
I don't believe Bush is the anti-christ. He is too hated and the anti-christ at first will be trying to fix everything and people will love him. At least for a few years. That is from my religious perspective only.
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Comment #8 posted by FoM on October 24, 2006 at 08:35:52 PT
nuevo mexican 
You're welcome. I am so tired of Republicans making us a Nanny country. I march to my own beat and not anyone elses. They tell us what to do, what not to do, they haven't told us to go to church on Sunday or we'll all go to hell but if they could they sure might give it a try.
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Comment #7 posted by Max Flowers on October 24, 2006 at 08:32:17 PT
Speaking of exposing fearmongering...
I was disgusted yesterday to see in the San Francisco Chronicle a three page---not just a double spread, but a THREE-full-page ad for the movie United 93. At first it just seemed odd, because that movie has already had its main run, and people are not really seeing it anymore. Its run was months ago. Why suddenly are they running this massive ad for it now, I asked myself. Then it hits me---it's 2 weeks before the election, and they (whoever `they' are, I guess it's Universal Pictures working hand in hand with the GOP) want everyone to think about the "terrarists" again and be afraid, very afraid, and vote rethuglican. This exposes yet again how this film is nothing but propaganda. They trot it out shamelessly to try to scare people and manipulate them emotionally and politically.It seems a rather futile attempt to put it in the SF Chonicle, since SF and the bay area are so heavily liberal, but maybe it's an effort to convert a few, I don't know. I just know it's blatantly icky coming so close to the election.I felt dirty after seeing this spread, and wanted to take another shower. 
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Comment #6 posted by nuevo mexican on October 24, 2006 at 08:30:02 PT
After the events of the last 6 years.....
this webpage may interest some of you, if there were any doubters in the past, what do you think now that he has killed over 600,000 Iraqis, I'm interested to read arguments that he is NOT the Anti-Christ....http://www.bushisantichrist.com/We knew he was gonna kill, kill, kill, and did he?Over and over and over, forever and a day!How long must we endure a facist government, with a facist leader, bush, and a Congress that refuses to do their job, and a populace so incapacitated that we seem to just be standing by, waiting for the inevitable!The next two months should see everything changing in the most radical, positive, and definate way, so I suggest we all do what we can to get out the vote, our lives really do depend on it.Thanks FOM, for all you do, you're the greatest!
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Comment #5 posted by FoM on October 24, 2006 at 08:15:44 PT
dongenero 
Now that is news that makes me happy. Fox has been the worst propaganda machine I have ever seen in my life of watching TV News. The sad thing is some people believe they are good folks. I am so hopeful that we will vote out many Republicans. If people, even Republicans, can't see how bad they have become something is totally wrong with us as a country.
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Comment #4 posted by dongenero on October 24, 2006 at 08:10:45 PT
some things take care of themselves
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/3/1/111723/4980FOX Ratings In Free Fall - O'Reilly Leads The Way Down
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Comment #3 posted by FoM on October 24, 2006 at 07:51:20 PT
dongenero
I agree with you. Keith Olbermann is a bright light in a dark world of TV News. I guess someone on Fox said for Democrats not to vote this year. What a lousy channel Fox is and I sure don't watch it. If it didn't come along in a package I sure wouldn't subscribe to it. CNN and MSNBC seem a lot more fair and balanced.
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Comment #2 posted by dongenero on October 24, 2006 at 07:43:49 PT
Olbermann
Another great commentary from Keith Olbermann.I saw it on his msnbc program last night....along with the Republican terrorism commercial. Olbermann rips this BS apart with a searing commentary. His program is one of the best political spots on television these days.
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Comment #1 posted by FoM on October 24, 2006 at 07:26:05 PT
Off Topic: Keith Olbermann Commentary
Special Comment: Advertising TerrorismThe key to terrorism is not the act ó but the fear of the acthttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15392701/
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