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  Weed Watch: Pot Arrests Reach New High

Posted by CN Staff on September 29, 2006 at 07:01:04 PT
By Jordan Smith 
Source: Austin Chronicle 

Texas -- According to new crime statistics released last week by the FBI, arrests for marijuana possession reached a record high in 2005, which saw nearly 800,000 marijuana-related arrests nationwide. About 88% of those were for simple possession; the remaining people – just over 90,000 – were charged with sale and/or manufacturing, a category that includes people busted for growing pot for medicinal use.
Indeed, says Allen St. Pierre, executive director of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, the arrest numbers have increased steadily over the last decade, as the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy – home of the nation's drug czar and the brain trust behind the failed anti-drug media – has increasingly focused on maintaining its always-losing pot prohibition. "People are running around with meth mouth and out of their minds, and we're focusing on marijuana," St. Pierre said. "There are [law enforcement agencies] all over the country going bonkers over their meth problems, and yet the ONDCP shoves money at them … to go look for ditchweed." Using the current arrest numbers as a guide, St. Pierre figures that a pot smoker is arrested every 40 seconds – "it's just a totally skewed priority," he said. Coincidentally, also on Sept. 18, just hours after the FBI released its latest arrest figures, the 40-second spotlight shone on Willie Nelson, who was ticketed for having a pound and a half of pot and several ounces of psychedelic mushrooms on board his tour bus. Reportedly, Nelson's bus was traveling down I-10 outside Lafayette, La., on Monday when he was pulled over for a routine – ahem – commercial vehicle inspection. When the bus door opened, the officer smelled pot and began a search of the bus. While anyone else caught with that amount of pot and 'shrooms would've been carted off to the pokey faster than you can say, "Whiskey River," Nelson and three others, including his sister, slid through with misdemeanor tickets – but not before local officers hightailed it over to the bus, a source tells the Chronicle, to get their pictures taken with the Red Headed Stranger. Perhaps that's punishment enough. Finally, in an attempt to further its anti-drug message, the ONDCP has taken to cyberspace, posting a number of its ridiculous just-say-no-esque ad spots on YouTube.com. Ironically, the drug czar's office has used the same key words – pot, weed, ganja, etc. – to tag its spots as those used by everyone else loading pot-related videos onto the site, meaning viewers will get to compare the pro-pot videos of, say, NORML to those of the anti-pot ONDCP. Let the duel begin.Marijuana Arrests For Year 2005: http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7040Source: Austin Chronicle (TX)Author: Jordan SmithPublished: September 29, 2006Copyright: 2006 Austin Chronicle Corp.Contact: louis auschron.comWebsite: http://www.auschron.com/Related Articles & Web Sites:NORMLhttp://www.norml.org/Willie Nelsonhttp://www.willienelson.com/This Is Your Ass on Drugshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread22204.shtmlYouTube Meets Reefer Madnesshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread22200.shtmlShouldn't Willie Be Left Alone?http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread22181.shtml 

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Comment #72 posted by goneposthole on September 30, 2006 at 15:27:40 PT
800 thousand arrests means only one thing
The cannabis market is booming. Sales have increased; more people are using cannabis for relief.It's a catch 22, but, for the most part, it is a good thing.Cannabis is the substance to use for relief."Rich man, poor man, beggar man, thief... it's up to you how you get your relief. Relief is something we all need. We can't do without..." - Rusty Wier
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Comment #71 posted by museman on September 30, 2006 at 11:32:37 PT
whig
Why yes, I guess it is. Thanks for pointing that out.
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Comment #70 posted by whig on September 30, 2006 at 11:21:11 PT
museman
A worthy rejoinder to "Begone! Dull Care"
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Comment #69 posted by museman on September 30, 2006 at 10:36:32 PT
a lyrical summation
NOT ENOUGH CAREWhen we were younger, we might might've done something
but the money just got in the way.Some they got too much, some they got nothin'
and the rest just got their bills to pay.When the dust was clearin' none was left standin'
they'd all gone to pay their way.I tried not to sing songs of despair
but everywhere I look it's just the same,treatin' life like it's a game,
and we only got ourselves to blame.Not enough care. Not enough.Well have you got an answer, or are you just a dancer?
Look what's been done to our home.You make the change come, forfeit the ransom,
your money's no seed to be grown.And you better do it today.
Light the candle, carry the flame,and don't you believe what the money-man say...I tried not to sing songs of despair
but everywhere I look it's just the same,treatin' life like it's a game,
and we only got ourselves to blame.Not enough care. Not enough.Not enough care. Not enough.Not enough care. Not enough.
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Comment #68 posted by global_warming on September 30, 2006 at 08:16:00 PT
re:67
It was a "legal" drug that killed his son, not an illegal drug. Judging from the photo of this poor bastard, I do not doubt what drove his son towards some for of escape.
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Comment #67 posted by Wayne on September 30, 2006 at 07:22:09 PT
re: #60
"After trying marijuana, [Steve] Steiner's son died of an Oxycontin overdose. Steiner believes marijuana is responsible for his son's death because it was the "gateway" to the dangerous prescription drug."This poor soul and his wife have been brainwashed by Big Pharma. 'Oh, my son would have NEVER tried Oxycontin if it hadn't been for that damned MARIJUANA!' Their website states that part of their mission is to educate children on the dangers of illegal drugs. If they're that concerned about children, they need to focus on prescription drug abuse, for it is WAY more lethal and the trend is growing at an alarming rate. If cannabis is the devil's weed, then Oxycontin is most definitely Satan in pill form.
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Comment #66 posted by zandor on September 30, 2006 at 06:59:53 PT
It's like bullies in school
There is NO good reason its just because they can. It's said that medical marijuana users don't put up a fight like terrorists do so it's safe to go after them. We don't shoot back or fight so we are easy picking and make good TV with little to NO risk.That is how Bush thinks.
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Comment #65 posted by FoM on September 30, 2006 at 06:47:56 PT
Afterburner
I hope that the Geneva Convention is still above Bush's Torture Bill.
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Comment #64 posted by FoM on September 30, 2006 at 06:45:15 PT
Dankhank 
The whole thing with the government spending money like there is no tomorrow is we aren't backed by a gold standard anymore. I feel really sorry for young people because most of them won't ever be able to own a home or even purchase a new car. 
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Comment #63 posted by Dankhank on September 30, 2006 at 06:16:18 PT
Money
FoM ...It's not important to the politicians when or if the money is found for the fence.The important thing, for now, is that they can state to prospective voters that they are doing something about immigration, whether it pans out or not.It's a cover ...
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Comment #62 posted by global_warming on September 30, 2006 at 05:20:17 PT
re: 60
I expect granny Joice to be showing up soon, Steve Steiner is a real jerkoff.  http://cat.he.net/%7Esaferco/uploaded_images/IMG_2646-705249.JPG
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Comment #61 posted by mayan on September 30, 2006 at 04:44:38 PT
Price Manipulation?
The price of oil, again:
http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2006/09/price-of-oil-again.html
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Comment #60 posted by mayan on September 30, 2006 at 04:31:46 PT
DAMMADD
Steve Steiner of Dads and Mad Moms Against Drug Dealers (DAMMADD) has provided Mason Tvert with some great blog-fodder... A Picture Is Worth 70+ Years of Words:
http://www.safercolorado.org/blog.htmlSome good stuff on that blog!
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Comment #59 posted by mayan on September 30, 2006 at 04:20:52 PT
Still Votin'
Do you believe any of the conspiracy theories suggesting the U.S. government was somehow involved in 9/11?  * 71201 responses 
 Yes. The government has left many questions unanswered about that day. - 61% 
 No. These theories are absurd and disrespectful -- especially to those who lost their lives on 9/11. - 33% 
 I'm not sure. - 5.7% http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14727720/
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Comment #58 posted by afterburner on September 29, 2006 at 22:24:40 PT
Max Flowers #15 & FoM #48
"US obligations under the Geneva convention"Aren't these "treaty" obligations? The same sort of so-called obligations that the drug warriors claim prevent them from re-legalizing cannabis. It's not funny at all how Congress and the Administration attempt to disregard treaties when it suits them and hide behind treaties when they don't want to take action. Even though the UN Single Convention has a trapdoor that allows countries to withdraw. The Congressional *superpower* "guardians" are drunk with power.And that 700 mile fence to be constructed on the Mexican border with 1.2 billion dollar down-payment -- $1,200,000,000! -- my first thought: what about the homeless New Orleans people? my second thought: what about the 9/11 World Trade Center survivors?Meanwhile, The Beat Goes On in The Great White North:CN BC: Tories Criticized For Slashing Canada's Medicinal, Vancouver Sun, (29 Sep 2006)
http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v06/n1306/a11.html?176Lead-in:"Prime Minister Stephen Harper and his ruling Conservatives are turning their backs on sick Canadians by slashing the federal medicinal marijuana program, says a medicinal marijuana provider."CN ON: Column: Whiff Of Spliff Police In Smouldering Issue, Toronto Star, (29 Sep 2006) 
http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v06/n1306/a08.html?176Excerpt:"We've made fools of ourselves, infantilizing and criminalizing consumers of substances completely lawful ( tobacco ) or quasi-lawful ( marijuana ), under the rubric of public health policy. It's not about public health It's about the sniff police and skulking whistle-blowers with too much time on their hands and little axes to grind."CN BC: Emery Extradition Hearing To Start In May, Globe and Mail, (26 Sep 2006) 
http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v06/n1303/a07.html?176CN AB: Recent Busts Do Little To Quell City's Pot Industry, Vue Weekly, (27 Sep 2006) 
http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v06/n1301/a03.html?176Excerpt:{
But as the team's [Green Team] supervising officer told Vue, from an economic point of view, the [Sep 7th] bust would have the same impact on pot prices that a single Edmonton gas station's closure would have on city gas prices: none. "The supply is so massive at this point, I don't know if you could take it off the market," he [Ian Gillan] says. 
}Why was cannabis medicine banned?
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Comment #57 posted by FoM on September 29, 2006 at 21:22:25 PT
Hope
I read where we are borrowing about 2 billion dollars a day and the interest payments are basically all we can pay and that means the principle amount isn't being decreased. Who are we borrowing the money from outside the Social Security Fund I wonder? Who are the rich companies that can loan the USA that much money? What countries are they from?
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Comment #56 posted by Hope on September 29, 2006 at 21:15:26 PT
I don't know...but I'd bet
that the Social Security Fund should be fairly large.It's a lot of money that they've wanted for a long time. Some say they already have spent a huge amount of it somehow.
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Comment #55 posted by FoM on September 29, 2006 at 21:08:15 PT
Social Security
Hope, They could be doing that. Is that enough though?
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Comment #54 posted by FoM on September 29, 2006 at 21:06:22 PT
Hope
My father was an accountant. He talked about money and how to use it wisely. This spending doesn't compute in my head. Where do they come up with the money? I don't believe there is enough tax revenue to come up with these huge figures and still fix schools and roads and all the important things that need attention. All you have to do is go into a big city and you will see the decay in some areas. What about the needs of our country and the people who live here?
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Comment #53 posted by Hope on September 29, 2006 at 21:03:23 PT
Social Security Funds?
Or borrowing on it?
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Comment #52 posted by Hope on September 29, 2006 at 21:01:42 PT
Where are they coming up with this money?
Mystery money?
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Comment #51 posted by FoM on September 29, 2006 at 20:45:41 PT
$70 Billion for Iraq, Afghanistan Wars Approved
$463 Billion Also Authorized for Defensehttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/29/AR2006092900425.html
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Comment #50 posted by FoM on September 29, 2006 at 20:39:59 PT
Hope
Where are they coming up with this money? I don't understand the unlimited spending they do.
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Comment #49 posted by Hope on September 29, 2006 at 20:28:38 PT
700 Mile Border Fence
Sounds like "Miles and Miles of Texas".
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Comment #48 posted by FoM on September 29, 2006 at 20:22:40 PT
Congress Approves 700 Mile Border Fence 
CAPITOL HILL -- The Senate has passed and sent to President Bush a bill authorizing 700 new miles of fencing on the southern border.The price tag for the fencing is unknown, but a separate bill makes a one-point-two (b) billion dollar downpayment on it. A 14-mile segment of fence under construction in San Diego is costing 126 (m) million dollars.The fence bill was passed by the House two weeks ago. The Senate vote on it Friday night was 80-19. The legislation became House Republicans' immigration focus in September after they abandoned President Bush's call to bring millions of illegal immigrants into the American mainstream.Copyright 2006 Associated Press***After Berlin Lyrics: NYTomorrow morning in old BerlinWhere they lock you out or lock you inhttp://human-highway.com/lyrics/lyrics-22.html#111
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Comment #47 posted by FoM on September 29, 2006 at 18:17:15 PT
Off Topic: The Last Waltz
We just stumbled on to The Last Waltz on Flix. It will only be on another half an hour or so but it is always good to see this concert and I thought I'd pass it on.Farm Aid is tomorrow afternoon and into the night. I am looking forward to listening to it on X Country on XM Radio. I hope to see the webcast too but it usually is hard because so many people are trying to access it but I'll try.
Farm-Aid 2006 - Camden, New Jersey
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Comment #46 posted by mayan on September 29, 2006 at 18:14:02 PT
More Misc.
Torture Bill States Non-Allegiance To Bush Is Terrorism:
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/september2006/290906torturebill.htmThe day the darkness descended:
http://www.uruknet.de/?p=m27046&hd=0&size=1&l=tPinochet Also Thought He Could "Legalize" Torture And Immunize Himself:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0609/S00436.htmAll I know is that if any goons try to apprehend me they will not take me alive. It's time for the rest of the world to immediately declare Bush-Cheney Co. war criminals and arrest them if they step on foreign soil.More on Foley...Exclusive: The Sexually Explicit Internet Messages That Led to Fla. Rep. Foley's Resignation:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/09/exclusive_the_s.htmlTHE WAY OUT...9/11 theorists to discuss ‘folklore’:
http://badgerherald.com/news/2006/09/29/911_theorists_to_di.phpNeocons Gunning for Kevin Barrett:
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/September2006/290906_b_Neocons.htm9/11 and the Greenberg Familia:
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1261.shtml9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB - OUR NATION IS IN PERIL:
http://www.911sharethetruth.com/
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Comment #45 posted by FoM on September 29, 2006 at 18:09:34 PT
Wayne
I agree. Narrow minded people in a narrow minded world.
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Comment #44 posted by Wayne on September 29, 2006 at 17:55:59 PT
re: FoM #42
The end of that article caught my eye..."Good judgment comes from experience, and experience comes from mistakes. It would have been a major mistake to arrest Willie. The mainstream media would have descended upon us like Katrina, or at least like 20/20 did several years back. The judicial system must have some inherent flexibility, and good judgment is vital. The troopers made the right call."Why would it have been a mistake to arrest Willie, OFFICER?? He was breaking the law, wasn't he? Oh, so now some cannabis smokers don't deserve to go to jail, as long as they're famous and have $$? It's not ok to jail them, but it's ok to jail the poor deadbeats that no one cares about? That's not the way the law states, officer. What sort of 'experience' are you looking to gain by jailing the unfortunate while letting the rich and famous run amok? Nothing at all against Willie, he is a good and decent human being, but the only mistake you're making is by arresting ANY marijuana smokers. LEAVE US ALONE!!!
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Comment #43 posted by global_warming on September 29, 2006 at 17:43:06 PT
re: c 40
It is time to end this current travesty.Too many people have been hurt.It is the time for change.
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Comment #42 posted by FoM on September 29, 2006 at 17:38:08 PT
Snipped Source Article
Marijuana Bust: Willie Nelson Stop, Pound for Pound***Roy Frusha is a former commander of the State Police Narcotics DivisionSeptember 29, 2006Willie Nelson and associates were recently cited with a misdemeanor summons for possession of 1.5 pounds of marijuana in St. Martin Parish. Details are a little sketchy, but I assume the State Police Criminal Patrol Unit made the stop. They are extremely good at that sort of thing, maybe the best in the nation.Many people in Lafayette have expressed that the release of old Willie was not justified, since your average Texas redneck would have been charged with felony possession, thereby winning a free trip to the St. Martin Parish Prison.  
However, the judicial system is not always objective and impartial. The first undercover case I ever worked was for $35 of marijuana from an individual who was essentially a nobody. He received a year in a halfway house. 
 Complete Article: http://www.theadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060929/OPINION02/609290349
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Comment #41 posted by whig on September 29, 2006 at 17:35:56 PT
OT: Founder and co-chair
of Congressional Missing and Exploited Children caucus.http://majikthise.typepad.com/majikthise_/2006/09/republican_mark.html
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Comment #40 posted by whig on September 29, 2006 at 17:17:00 PT
gw 
And would you construct a new ediface, a church that would proclaim your own catholic travesty? Forgive.
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Comment #39 posted by JR Bob Dobbs on September 29, 2006 at 17:05:42 PT
Pounds stolen
Sure, pounds of pot are stolen quite often due to its illegal status. But how often is it stolen from the trunk of a cop car??
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060929/LOCAL/60929029
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Comment #38 posted by global_warming on September 29, 2006 at 16:46:51 PT
re: Judge not lest ye be judged.
I judge my soul, long before Eternal Judgment,It is the hippocrites and those who swallow the lies in this world that disturb my passage to Blessed Eternity.Knowing that greedy simpletons abound and salute is enough, and I worry, has this world the strength to carry on the vision?
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Comment #37 posted by whig on September 29, 2006 at 16:30:09 PT
kaptinemo
Thank you kaptinemo. I realize that I could not do this blog without my friends. You are all great.http://tinyurl.com/evudn
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Comment #36 posted by whig on September 29, 2006 at 16:26:22 PT
gw 
Judge not lest ye be judged.
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Comment #35 posted by global_warming on September 29, 2006 at 16:26:09 PT
fear of personal responsibility
marks your place in Eternity,Enter and Receive your PlaceAmongst the StarsIt was always your placeYou can change this worldIt is going to changeReach with your good handTo change this worldEnd Cannabis prohibitionEnd the slaughter of innocent human beingsBecome Whole and WitnessThis is all of our place and timeGod Love You
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Comment #34 posted by FoM on September 29, 2006 at 16:15:00 PT
Whig
That truly is one of the most beautiful videos I have ever seen.
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Comment #33 posted by global_warming on September 29, 2006 at 16:05:45 PT
sorry
got sidetracked by young whigger, change is coming, like communism, this cannabis prohibition will end, like a "house of Cards" it cannot stand the test of time, like valuable resources, if you have to buy heat to keep warm in the winter, would you go around and look to lock some person who is smoking cannabis?
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Comment #32 posted by global_warming on September 29, 2006 at 15:50:31 PT
There aint no room For the hopeless sinner
Thanks Curtis,(curtis mayfield, 1964)
[with jeff beck, flash, 1985]People get ready
Theres a train a-coming
You dont need no baggage
You just get on board
All you need is faith
To hear the diesels humming
Dont need no ticket
You just thank the lordPeople get ready
For the train to jordan
Picking up passengers
From coast to coast
Faith is the key
Open the doors and board them
Theres room for all
Among the loved the mostThere aint no room
For the hopeless sinner
Who would hurt all mankind just
To save his own
Have pity on those
Whose chances are thinner
Cause theres no hiding place
From the kingdoms throneSo people get ready
For the train a-comin
You dont need no baggage
You just get on board !
All you need is faith
To hear the diesels humming
Dont need no ticket
You just thank, you just thank the lordYeah
OohYeah
OohIm getting ready
Im getting ready
This time Im ready
This time Im ready
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Comment #31 posted by global_warming on September 29, 2006 at 15:36:05 PT
seems like everybody is sounding 
like they lost some election, November 7 is a mere 39 days in the calendar of the martyred, consider that Nevada is closer then ever this year, Colorado will speak, thanks to Mason Tvert, the people are waking up and its time for change.Since 70 years this prohibition on cannabis has controlled American People, add up the numbers, 800,000 human beings were taken out of productive society in the year 2005, 700,000 in 2004, another 700,000 human beings taken out of productive society in 2006, this adds up to some millions of people, who are locked in cages, a ward of the state, and it is you and me Mr. and Mrs. America that is paying for this foolishness.Seventy years, cannot hold a candle to the thousands of years that Cannabis has been around, to heal and to feed, yet this modern day seems fit to wade into the deeper waters of the Eternal Night and displace millions of human beings.
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Comment #30 posted by whig on September 29, 2006 at 15:29:15 PT
Really important song right now
Please listen.http://cannablog.wordpress.com/2006/09/29/even-the-hopeless-sinner/
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Comment #29 posted by Wayne on September 29, 2006 at 13:40:29 PT
re: Max #15
I like the cartoon about the body armor on that blog. That REALLY puts Bush's intentions into perspective.
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Comment #28 posted by FoM on September 29, 2006 at 13:13:52 PT
Max Flowers
Sometimes when I want to feel better I close my eyes and see Neil Young with the big microphone at the Freedom of Speech concert in his hands with a big yellow ribbon on it blowing in the breeze. Going from place to place on the stage and pointing it at us. It's our turn now. I will never forget it and it empowers me everytime I think about it.
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Comment #27 posted by whig on September 29, 2006 at 13:05:45 PT
More fun news
http://tinyurl.com/n2rrw
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Comment #26 posted by whig on September 29, 2006 at 12:58:55 PT
All I can say right now...
God save John Paul Stevens.
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Comment #25 posted by Max Flowers on September 29, 2006 at 12:55:20 PT
whig
Okay, I'll send it in.Check THIS out, this should cheer some up:September 29, 2006That Was FastMultiple national news outlets are reporting that Rep. Mark Foley (R-FL 16) is going to announce that he will not seek re-election. Just 24 hours ago, news leaked out of private emails Foley sent to an underage former Congressional page that the page believed was inappropriate.Foley was in a modestly competitive race with Democrat Tim Mahoney. Bush won 54% of the district's vote in '04, comparable to AZ 08 -- another top open seat pickup opportunity for Dems.It's hard to imagine that this doesn't put FL 16 in the Dem column as Mahoney was self-funding and had also raised a decent chunk of change. While the Foley decision not to run again might give the FL GOP time to find another candidate, it's unclear. We're checking with the state right now to clarify the law. If Foley's name can't be replaced, it's probably safe to say the Democrats would need just 14 seats to win Congress as this one would go to the Dems almost uncontested. ====================================My opinion: If he weren't a creep, he wouldn't be quitting so fast due to a guilty conscience. The GOP is rife with pedophiles and criminals! Another one bites the dust...
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Comment #24 posted by whig on September 29, 2006 at 12:49:45 PT
Max
Yes, cannablog can have images in posts, not in comments, but if you want to make a post using that image I can publish it for you.
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Comment #23 posted by whig on September 29, 2006 at 12:48:33 PT
Max
We keep the Time magazine mock-up on our fridge, the one which has George Bush's alcoholic face with all the burst blood vessels in close-up, not photoshopped that's really how his face looks, with a sore on his upper lip, a very ugly man when you see him up close. Corruption will do that.And the headline is: George W. Bush November 3, 2016 Convicted of Crimes Against Humanity.
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Comment #22 posted by Max Flowers on September 29, 2006 at 12:48:32 PT
whig
My pleasure. Sorry I haven't been posting things to cannablog, I have just been really pressed with a lot of other stuff lately. You've probably noticed a steep drop in my CN posting as well. As always, you have my permission to post anything I write here to cannablog. Does cannablog allow for images? If so, the one I am talking about would be good to post. I can send it to you.
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Comment #21 posted by Max Flowers on September 29, 2006 at 12:44:08 PT
FoM
Sometimes, when I need to feel better, I look at that one "photo" (a Photoshopped image) of Bush in an orange prison jumpsuit and shackles being hauled into court. It's only a wishful contrivance, but it represents what so many of us hope to actually see one day. I wish this board would let us post images in posts... I'd post it right now if we could. If you would like a copy, I'll send it to you privately. I am even thinking of having a poster made of it to mount on my wall, to keep me conscious of what needs to happen.
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Comment #20 posted by whig on September 29, 2006 at 12:42:58 PT
Max Flowers
Thank you. I posted this:http://cannablog.wordpress.com/2006/09/29/here-is-your-constitution-please-read/
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Comment #19 posted by FoM on September 29, 2006 at 12:38:02 PT

Max Flowers 
Thank you. I won't give up. I'll skip voting when Brown and DeWine come up but I will vote for all the other Democrats. I hope DeWine doesn't win. I know why Brown did it because Democrats are attacked for not being strong on terrorism but it's just politics and it don't mean nuttin in the real world of life.
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Comment #18 posted by FoM on September 29, 2006 at 12:31:52 PT

Max Flowers 
I doubt anything will make me feel better but it is hopeful to read. I never knew anyone like Bush. If I had I would have moved away fast from that person. I don't have words to say how I feel about him. I really couldn't say it or I would need to remove it.
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Comment #17 posted by whig on September 29, 2006 at 12:26:36 PT

Max
This is also a bill of attainder in that it singles out an individual or group for punishment without a trial.http://www.techlawjournal.com/glossary/legal/attainder.htm
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Comment #16 posted by Max Flowers on September 29, 2006 at 12:26:04 PT

FoM
Please don't give up. We all have to keep fighting this. Otherwise we just give our country away to criminals. We have to pull each other along when we get tired and feel hopeless.
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Comment #15 posted by Max Flowers on September 29, 2006 at 12:23:52 PT

Read this blog, feel better
At least I did. It's an excellent discussion, from people with very good points and the right attitude: http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/2006/09/congress-is-powerless-to-absolve-bush.htmlAn excerpt:Bush is in a heap of trouble. The US Congress should be impeaching Bush —NOT conspiring with him to cover his backside!Whatever torture compromise may work its way through an intimidated Congress, it cannot help Bush. The US Constitution requires nothing less than a Constitutional Amendment to relieve US obligations under the Geneva convention; and, at least one Constitutional provision means that nothing legal can get Bush off the hook for the crimes that he has already committed.Let's take the second one first. Bush seeks an ex post facto law that will make legal —after the fact —his violations of the Geneva Convention having to do with torture.  No bill of attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.  —US Constitution, Article IThat means that Bush cannot commit crimes, possibly including having ordered summary executions and brutal tortures, only to have them made legal later on. The Constitution flatly states that it doesn't work that way! I've been screaming about this for a long time now. Maybe the time has come to be vindicated.
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Comment #14 posted by FoM on September 29, 2006 at 11:54:52 PT

Whig
I think I will quit caring and go back to not voting. It isn't fair. I've had it. If the republicans want to control and rule the world they can have it then. 
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Comment #13 posted by whig on September 29, 2006 at 11:42:13 PT

FoM
DeWine voted for it too.
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Comment #12 posted by whig on September 29, 2006 at 11:41:52 PT

FoM
Republicans hate cannabis because they hate God, and fear his power. They drink for exactly the reason you said, to drown out their sorrow.
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Comment #11 posted by FoM on September 29, 2006 at 11:40:24 PT

Whig
I guess I will have to vote for DeWine because Brown did that. The only other options is to let DeWine win if I don't vote for Brown. I don't know which way to go on Brown now. Sad thing is he is very liberal and I really liked Brown and he voted for medical marijuana and other things I care about. That's why I might not vote if it keeps getting more complicated.
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Comment #10 posted by whig on September 29, 2006 at 11:35:47 PT

FoM
Sherrod Brown agreed to this bill.I don't know if he was "gotten to" but he's politically owned by the Republicans now.
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Comment #9 posted by whig on September 29, 2006 at 11:34:33 PT

mayan
http://cannablog.wordpress.com/2006/09/29/night-has-fallen/
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Comment #8 posted by Max Flowers on September 29, 2006 at 11:30:05 PT

Okay here it is
The US Constitution prohibits retroactive legislation: Article I, Section 9 of the Constitution states that "no ... ex post facto law shall be passed." An ex post facto law is one "formulated, enacted, or operating retroactively."How can they just ignore this? I mean, I know they have been ignoring the Constitution since day one, but come on---someone tell me they can't get away wiith this!
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Comment #7 posted by Max Flowers on September 29, 2006 at 11:21:47 PT

Hey wait a minute...
I was given to understand that the Constitution prohibits lawmaking that provides retroactive immunity. In other words, I thought that it didn't allow making a law, after the crime, that makes that crime not a crime, exactly as Bush is trying to do here. I have been pinning my hopes this whole time on the belief that there was, at least, the possibility of war crimes charges being laid against Bush and his cronies.I admit that I don't know the particular clause that refers to this, but I am going to be looking it up now for sure. And even if a corrupt Republican-led Congress allows this, couldn't a less corrupt Democrat majority Congress (if that will exist and if that's possible) overturn this evil piece of legislation later on?
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Comment #6 posted by FoM on September 29, 2006 at 08:25:31 PT

One More Comment
When a soldier is captured in Iraq now they could be tortured like we will be able to torture. I know that the republicans will use something like that to make republican leaning people hate more and vote them in because it's the way they are and people who follow the republicans will never be my friend. I wash my hands of republicans and the right leaning folks. I don't have time to waste on cruel people.
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Comment #5 posted by dongenero on September 29, 2006 at 07:46:51 PT

our government is sick
I hope a wholesale change is made in November. Time for the People to take back the country.It's amazing the degree to which the neocons have lowered the standards of our great nation in the name of their perceived high standards. It's a mad world.By the way, that is an apropos Black Sabbath reference there mayan.
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Comment #4 posted by FoM on September 29, 2006 at 07:46:14 PT

Mayan
I have a very piercing conscience. If I cause harm I feel so guilty. I can be my own worse enemy so I try really hard to do good and not hurt anyone and if I do I never do it intentionally. What kind of conscience do the Republicans have? Maybe that's why alcohol is such a popular drug for those in power. It numbs a person conscience and we know that cannabis doesn't numb a person's mind. We need to feel our convictions. America isn't special anymore to me. The more they do what they do the more I will withdraw into my own world. I am so ashamed of Bush and all of the Republicans that love to kill and torture.
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Comment #3 posted by mayan on September 29, 2006 at 07:34:10 PT

FoM
Bush and the neo-cons will only have to answer to God. Vengeance will be the Lord's.Torture Bill Gives Bush Retroactive War Crimes Immunity -
Cafferty: "What Are We Becoming?" 
http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/torture_bill_gives_bush_retroactive_war_crimes_immunity.htm
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Comment #2 posted by FoM on September 29, 2006 at 07:29:00 PT

Mayan
I am sick about what Bush has done. We have slide into an area that I never thought I'd see. I am happy that very few Democrats agreed to this terrible bill. I hope and pray I live long enough to see him charged with war crimes.
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Comment #1 posted by mayan on September 29, 2006 at 07:22:35 PT

Satan
Bush Given Authority To Sexually Torture American Children:
http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/terror_laws_bush_given_authority_sexually_torture_us_kids.htmFreedom is dead. Satan,laughing, spreads his wings. 
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