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  Nelson, Others Cited for Drugs

Posted by CN Staff on September 19, 2006 at 12:01:12 PT
By Richard Burgess, Acadiana Bureau  
Source: Advocate 

Lafayette, LA -- Country music singer-songwriter Willie Nelson was cited on drug counts in St. Martin Parish after a traffic stop of his tour bus Monday allegedly yielded more than a pound of marijuana and a bag of psychedelic mushrooms.Nelson, 73, and four others traveling with him face misdemeanor charges of possession of Schedule I drugs, State Police spokesman Trooper Willie Williams said.
Williams said officers found 1 1/2 pounds of marijuana and two-tenths of a pound of hallucinogenic mushrooms on the tour bus during a traffic stop for a commercial vehicle inspection on Interstate 10 westbound near Breaux Bridge.“When the door was opened and the trooper began to speak to the driver, he smelled the strong odor of marijuana in the bus,” State Police said in a news release.The amount of drugs allegedly found could have resulted in felony drug counts, but Williams said the marijuana was considered for personal use “because all of the people on the bus claimed possession of it.”St. Martin Parish prosecutor Chester Cedars said the marijuana was allegedly found stashed in locations throughout the tour bus, giving credence to the Nelson entourage’s argument the drugs were only for personal use.Asked if he was surprised to learn Monday morning about the notable traffic stop, Cedars said, “Nothing surprises me any more,” but added, “I don’t think anyone was surprised.” Snipped:Complete Article: http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/3950151.htmlSource: Advocate, The (Baton Rouge, LA)Author: Richard Burgess, Acadiana Bureau Published: September 19, 2006Copyright: 2006 The Advocate, Capital City PressContact: http://tinyurl.com/e7qljWebsite: http://www.theadvocate.com/Related Articles & Web Sites:NORMLhttp://www.norml.org/Willie Nelsonhttp://www.willienelson.com/Willie Nelson Cited for Marijuana Possessionhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread22174.shtmlCannabisNews -- Cannabis Archiveshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/list/cannabis.shtml 

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Comment #88 posted by FoM on September 21, 2006 at 10:40:12 PT
Museman
I am listening to the song and I like it. I agree with you. I have always said I am on a mission but the mission isn't for me to know. I am only to follow. I hope that makes sense.
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Comment #87 posted by museman on September 21, 2006 at 10:14:21 PT
FoM
"As some critics are now saying, and as I have been preaching and writing for almost twenty years, America's liberals need to grow beyond political liberalism, with its often self-absorbed focus on individual rights to the exclusion of individual responsibilities to the larger society. Liberals will have to construct a more complete vision with moral and religious grounding. That does not mean confessional Christianity. It means the legitimate heir to Christianity. Such a legitimate heir need not be a religion, though it must have clear moral power, and be able to attract the minds and hearts of a voting majority of Americans.And the new liberal vision must be larger than that of the conservative religious vision that will be appointing judges, writing laws and bending the cultural norms toward hatred and exclusion for the foreseeable future. The conservatives deserve a lot of admiration. They have spent the last thirty years studying American politics, forming their vision and learning how to gain control in the political system. And it worked; they have won. Even if liberals can develop a bigger vision, they still have all that time-consuming work to do. It won't be fast. It isn't even clear that liberals will be willing to do it; they may instead prefer to go down with the ship they're used to."What I believe the man is saying here is essentially my mainline idea of the only solution to the problem. As Sting and the Police said "There is no political solution."The 'more complete vision with moral and religious grounding' he is talking about is like the antitheses to the fascist claims of the very same thing- people have to shore up their own 'moral ground' and not expect someone to do it for them -like Jesus, or the government.The fact that Americans over all have drifted away from any kind of moral center, left that very center open for the invasion of the pretenders and posers to come into it and claim it for their own- as they have done.In the current chaos, things do look bleak, and they are. The potential for catastrophe is as high as it ever has been, and if the population continues with 'business as usual' without significant changes in their own habits and lifestyles, that potential will be realized.It's like the way a fundamental right-wing xtian minister interprets the Revelations of John as a fixed calendar of events, an unavoidable horror planned since the beginning of time, when any fearless seeker of truth can come to understand that it, and ALL prophecy is meant as a warning.Thus the preacher can create a world of misunderstanding and fear, use that fear and misunderstanding to divide and conquer the people, and establish an hierarchy of fear-based power. This is an old technique of the Nephalim - proven for thousands of years to accomplish the task of dis-empowering the people.This is all part of a struggle that goes back into the dimly remembered times before the destruction of Sumeria- the flood - and the seeming that this is just now happening is simply a lack of historical awareness on the part of the people. That awareness is of course not taught in any school you can find in the yellow pages. Quite the contrary, the social ignorance is enforced with psuedo-knowledge like the idea that modern man is somehow more 'evolved' socially, intellectually, spiritually, and poitically than say ancient Rome. Not even.There are things, beings, and entire realms that co-exist with us in space and time, that are beyond the left-brain limitations of 5-sense perceptions. In fact the entire REAL Spiritual awareness starts where those senses fail to reach.But children are taught to fear these ideas, and to ridicule and scoff at such things as elemental spirit, the 'spirit'of a tree, or a cloud. The faculties that we are born with that allow perception beyond the limited scope of dead science, are regarded as 'superstitious nonsense' and the powers are quick to reinforce that ignorance.Our 'evolution' has led us to the brink of oblivion. We have followed blind guides to destruction, let false religions (original meaning; "To constrain or hold back.") stifle any potential for growth in their 'boxes.'But something happened in the '60's. Like the theory of 'The Hundredth Monkey' somehow a significant (merely a drop in the world population bucket) number of humanity actually grasped at, and gained some of the true awareness. The over-all psyche of the race was raised just a tiny increment - completely un-noticeable by the general popultaion, but percieved by the ruling powers.Because of it's historical record as a universal medicine, and tool of enlightenment, cannabis use is greatly feared by the constrainers, the enforcers, and the mis-representatives. When that 'significant number' began exploring consciousness in the '60's the power elite -the Nephalim - the ultra-rich - the ruling class began to know fear themselves. Knowing the uses, properties, and attributes of cannabis full well, their efforts to stop this true 'evolution' of mind, emotion, and spirit have extended into incredible webs of international corporate deceit and exploitation, including bloody conflict like Iraq, and Afghanistan, but also with deliberate complicity in the ongoing turmoil in Africa.They don't know the persons who are gaining awareness,and understanding -except that they know we almost all like the wonderful gift our Father in Heaven gave us in the form of cannabis. Thus a 'busted' cannabis user is a control on any potential enlightenment.But at the risk of seeming out of character with a little optimism, I can say that their efforts to stop this 'evolution' have failed. Yes they are making life misery for many many people, but they have not seen the awakened child of our collective consiousness, and though we do have our martyrs like Jerry, Steve Kubby -to scratch the very large surface- there is a 'significant number' who posess these awarenesses, and that number is growing daily. Even as the moment can seem so desperate, and inevitably bad, if we can just hang on, and continue to grow and nurture growth all these empty shells posing as human beings that are attempting to drag us down to oblivion as they themselves are going - will be gone.In the meantime we can aid in expediting their demise by merely upholding the truth, and not being afraid to reveal what we believe true- for if it is revealed it can be confirmed, or corrected if need be, but if that knowledge remains a mystery it does us no good.I wanted to post this link yesterday, but got too busy;It's old and fragile
Shining On You Now
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Comment #86 posted by FoM on September 20, 2006 at 22:08:39 PT
Wayne 
It really was an eye opener. 
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Comment #85 posted by FoM on September 20, 2006 at 21:49:53 PT
Hope
I know what you mean. I went down the list and went yes that's how we are. Yes that's how we are. Yes that's how we are. These are scary times but hopefully people will see the light and we will be able to fix this out of control direction we are heading.
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Comment #84 posted by Hope on September 20, 2006 at 21:45:58 PT
That sermon
is going to impinge on the quality of my falling asleep this evening.Should have saved reading it until in the morning...and just worried my day.
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Comment #83 posted by Wayne on September 20, 2006 at 21:37:42 PT
Re: FoM
I must say that 'Fascism in America' sermon was very captivating. It was really a shock to see how much of that stuff has already happened, and how easily he predicted the rest of the story. The whole time, you ask yourself 'How do we stop it?'
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Comment #82 posted by FoM on September 20, 2006 at 18:57:45 PT
Oops Wrong Link
Here's the correct one.http://crosbycpr.com/content/TOURS/2004/news_text/austinSermon.html
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Comment #81 posted by FoM on September 20, 2006 at 18:17:45 PT
Museman
I was looking at links off of CSNY's link page and found this on David Crosby's page. It has a lot of detail and I thought you might want to see it. http://crosbycpr.com/
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Comment #80 posted by FoM on September 20, 2006 at 14:13:13 PT
museman 
I understand what you are saying. I don't love the America we are but I love the America I dream about and wanted from the time I was a child. I loved America and how nice the police were and how in the early days of marijuana and other substances society wasn't so mean about it all. I don't want to give up that dream for the America I always wanted. We can never lose hope.
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Comment #79 posted by museman on September 20, 2006 at 14:09:07 PT
FoM
I see that, and in terms of actually having a more immediate and positive effect, you are so right. I do vote, even as I believe it nearly pointless in most things, I have had opportunity to vote in 3 medical marijuana initiatives, in two states, and have worked on the sidelines since the failed OMI in 1986.You may be right about cannabis prohibition as the pin that holds the whole thing together. Lets hope you are. Lets hope that the current trend towards sanity concerning the use of cannabis and hemp creates a freer society, and that that 'legalization' doesn't turn out to be just another way for the rich to maintain their fortune and control over it, and us.
I don't trust the legal system in any way. In my life I have yet to see any damn good reason why I should. You might point to the recent successes in medical initiatives, but I say that those are successes are in SPITE of the system, and not because of it.Yes it is written in the high holy book of american plattitudes that this is a nation "of the people, by the people" and that may yet come to be, but all the evidence up to the present is definitely to the contrary.
   
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Comment #78 posted by museman on September 20, 2006 at 13:53:17 PT
whig
It's the same coin, but there are more than "2" sides. Your conclusion is correct. It's part of the viscious cycle created a long time ago - I as a 'spiritual historian' tend to look at it that way - from a historical, root cause point of view.
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Comment #77 posted by FoM on September 20, 2006 at 13:46:59 PT
museman
I believe the drug war is only held together by cannabis prohibition. It is a universally popular substance. If the laws change for cannabis the money will dry up and with no money to fight the drug war reason might take hold on all substances. The money that is generated by fighting cannabis is hard for the PTB to give up. Money is a drug too for them.
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Comment #76 posted by whig on September 20, 2006 at 13:46:14 PT
museman
My thinking is almost the other side of the coin from yours. I believe that the deprivation of cannabis, and the national religion of alcohol as the legal consciousness-alterant, has a great deal to do with our spiritual sickness as a society. But there needs to be work done on both sides of this.
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Comment #75 posted by FoM on September 20, 2006 at 13:38:45 PT
Whig
I am not going to debate this. I believe silence is golden and maybe they will drop the charges on the mushrooms.
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Comment #74 posted by museman on September 20, 2006 at 13:38:07 PT
whig -FoM
I too advocate cannabis as medicine, for healing of many ills, including the ignorance of the nations, and to further clarify, I consider it the #1 gift of the Creator for that very purpose. For the focus of 'things in hand' as opposed to 'things to come' there is where my agreement lies with your statement FoM, and in the sense of efficiency it makes sense. There is just so much more to it than just bad laws, and corrupt politics, that I can't be satisfied with treating the symptom-which is marijuana prohibition- I need to address the root causes, because I believe true healing of that spiritual disease which creates, defends, and propogates such violation of our God-Given Sovereignty as living beings, by such things as the war on alternative drug use can only come about by eliminating the cause itself.
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Comment #73 posted by whig on September 20, 2006 at 13:34:01 PT
FoM
Let me say this to you another way.Would it be alright with you if the police decided to drop all charges against Willie Nelson for possession of cannabis, and charged him instead only for the possession of psychedelic mushrooms, convicted him and sent him to prison for the ten or twenty years you think it will take until you will care about anything but cannabis?Sorry to be harsh, but it is harsh.
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Comment #72 posted by FoM on September 20, 2006 at 13:33:26 PT
Museman
I just don't think about mushrooms at all because I have only been concerned about helping to change cannabis laws. I want to be able to live long enough to see change in the laws on cannabis. I don't plan on fighting for any other substance. I'm not upset or anything but it isn't important to me. 
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Comment #71 posted by whig on September 20, 2006 at 13:23:10 PT
museman
The way I interpret what FoM is saying is that for her, personally, cannabis is the only issue she is concerned about, and the spiritual aspects of other things are outside of her personal area of concern right now. I don't think she said not to talk about them between ourselves, if we aren't encouraging people to break the law.But I do have a little bit of a problem with it too because I do want to be able to say that I think a lot of people should use cannabis, as an alternative to other things some of which are legal, as a medicine, as part of their religious belief and practice. I think that this should be said regardless of what the law says anywhere.I have a level of discomfort with not feeling free to speak about this, and having to explicitly disclaim any endorsement when I actually do, strongly, endorse cannabis.FoM, please tell me if I am out of line and if you want me to post less then this is probably a good way to force some people to go elsewhere to talk about cannabis advocacy.Screw the law, which isn't valid anyhow. You can't pass a law against gravity, it makes no sense. Same goes for a perfectly natural plant -- or a mushroom.
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Comment #70 posted by museman on September 20, 2006 at 13:08:19 PT
FoM
Knowledge and information is just that. It can be used for or against anything.In the issue of prohibition, I personally agree, and for reasons I posted here today concerning 'shrooms'. However, the inclusion of psychedelics into the same war against us- the people who have chosen to pursue the course of their own happiness - supposedly an "inalienable right" of our 'constitution' the 'Holy Bible' of power politics and "Law"- is I believe a companion issue to marijuana prohibition, and I know for a fact Jerry would agree with me. I am well aware that many folks 'don't want to go there' when it comes to this subject, but even as (and I did state this) I DO NOT RECOMMEND, ENDORSE, in any way the use of marketed psychedelics OF ANY KIND (which is about the only kind most folks are familiar with) I still find the ignorance and fear propogated by governmental lies concerning this subject to be a part of the entire prohibition issue.If you think that the spiritual and medicinal use of other illegal substances like peyote, mushrooms, and LSD25 are not a part of this issue, then we should never speak of anything else but 'medicinal marijuana.' Any other topic would constitute a deviation from center, therefore 'improper.' Alas at that juncture my participation in this otherwise fine, enlightened forum would become quite minimal, as I find it difficult to repeat the same obvious conclusions -which I aknowledge need to be repeated- in every post on the narrowed topic. I applaud those on this forum who maintain that consistency. And if you really feel that I jeopardize that, please let me know.I don't 'care' about mushrooms either- except if some youngster is about to make decisions based on the common assumptions about such potentially enlightening and/or dangerous use of such substances. Then I feel obligated as I felt in adding to the information posted in this thread.OK?
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Comment #69 posted by FoM on September 20, 2006 at 11:46:21 PT
 museman
The way I look at mushrooms is I don't care about them or what they do or don't do. Cannabis is all that I care about because I know that it has helped many people in many different ways. Maybe 10 or 20 years down the road mushrooms will be an issue but for me it just is a non issue. I want to see the laws changed on Cannabis so people like Jerry don't go to prison.
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Comment #68 posted by Hope on September 20, 2006 at 11:41:48 PT
Quote from PBS article.
He is an American icon; his voice as comforting as the American landscape, his songs as familiar as the color of the sky, his face as worn as the Rocky Mountains. Perhaps that's why Dan Rather suggested, "We should add his face to the cliffs of Mt. Rushmore and be done with it."
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Comment #67 posted by FoM on September 20, 2006 at 11:41:07 PT
Hope
Thank you for the link.
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Comment #66 posted by whig on September 20, 2006 at 11:36:07 PT
museman
Maybe that's why mushrooms worked for me, and cannabis didn't, then.
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Comment #65 posted by Hope on September 20, 2006 at 11:35:15 PT
Willie
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/database/nelson_w.html
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Comment #64 posted by whig on September 20, 2006 at 11:34:51 PT
museman
Where I lived, in Pittsburgh, marijuana was a commodity. Mushrooms were always homegrown.
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Comment #63 posted by museman on September 20, 2006 at 11:28:11 PT
whig
Yes, I would possibly concede that finer breakdown in definition of pain, but though it worked for you, my experience and that of many others- in the wide culture (and many people) of Rainbow (and other 'counter-culture' folks) supports my claim.I endorse none of the common use today of shrooms of any kind. As I said their source as a 'commodity' is too questionable. I endorse nothing but what I percieve to be the truth, and damn the lies no matter how powerful or popular the perpetrators of those lies might be. And just to make sure you aren't mistaking my meaning, I don't rank you in that 'category.'
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Comment #62 posted by Hope on September 20, 2006 at 11:22:07 PT
or maybe
it might be a good idea to just post a link back here to the comment.
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Comment #61 posted by Hope on September 20, 2006 at 11:21:15 PT
Comment 47
is so on target.Thanks again, BGreen.I may plagerize your words, or certainly your idea, in an email to Montel, if that is ok.
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Comment #60 posted by FoM on September 20, 2006 at 11:17:41 PT
You're Right Hope
The sound of his voice is often a comforting sound. A sweet, yet unique sound, like Dylan's, or Young's. 
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Comment #59 posted by Hope on September 20, 2006 at 11:16:07 PT
Comment 47
I agree. Outstanding comment. Very good points, BGreen. Very good.
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Comment #58 posted by Hope on September 20, 2006 at 11:13:01 PT
gracious nature of these "criminals"
I know for certain of at least once, but I'm thinking it happened more than once that Willie, hearing the troubles of a local farmer, signed his check for his performance over to that local farmer on the spot.At that time, I think his average earnings for an appearance say at your small town civic center was something like ten thousand dollars or so. Willie is not as rich as he was before the tax debacle.He's 73 and people still want to him sing and put on his shows. He's a kind, decent, fun-loving man.His songs touch us. The sound of his voice is often a comforting sound. A sweet, yet unique sound, like Dylan's, or Young's.
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Comment #57 posted by FoM on September 20, 2006 at 10:59:14 PT
BGreen
I am not as passive as I was before Living With War and seeing the CSNY Freedom of Speech Tour two times. I now have the focus that Neil wanted for the concert goers to get. Time is short and we need to flip this around. No time to waste anymore.
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Comment #56 posted by whig on September 20, 2006 at 10:38:03 PT
museman
A crushed hip is not psychologically-rooted pain, it is a chronic, extremely agonizing physical pain. Mushrooms will treat this pain in my own experience. There is a difference between chronic pain and acute pain, however. They actually have different physical properties in the brain. When you are injured there is a sharp kind of pain that tells you you need to be aware of something, but when the pain is unremitting the nerves actually alter their configuration to modify the sensation.I cannot say that mushrooms are any good at all for acute pain and I suspect not much at all. The benefit for me was when I was in continuous agony, a relatively brief (well if you count 8 hours or so brief, in the scope of things) psychedelic trip would result in a week of attenuated pain that made it possible for me to walk without a cane for the first time.Even cannabis could not have done this for me unless in quantities unattainable for me where I was at that time. Mushrooms helped to save my life.But in deference to FoM, I do not endorse them here.
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Comment #55 posted by BGreen on September 20, 2006 at 10:36:35 PT
Quote away, whig
I'm proud you consider me worth quoting.FoM, I know you feel the same way. You wrote a few times during my trip about your reawakening and revitalization attributed to Neil Young and the whole LWW and concert tour, and I was thinking that we all are experiencing the same thing from our own personal experiences.Whig moved to California and turned into a prolific activist in short order. I talked to people from all over the world and am pumped to find out that they still love America and Americans but they universally hate george bush. I mean I didn't find ONE person in all of our visits who thought well of our president and his band of criminals.I've written that we're all fighting our own little battles but that they are all part of the bigger fight. We've learned this summer that we're finally making an impact.Peace, love and non-violence all the way. Free the cannabis plant.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #54 posted by BGreen on September 20, 2006 at 10:23:04 PT
Thanks, whig
I hate seeing all of my mistakes after posting, so I'll just say I missed a question mark in the first paragraph and "effect" should read "affect."The pressure being exerted on the compassion clubs is the same pressure being put on Willie and the rest of the world. The US is attempting to get the Dutch to criminalize and shut down the coffeeshops and seed banks. We are in the final stages of this war.One of the many people we met in Amsterdam told us the Americans just need to think. That's so true and it's up to us to make sure they have to think.That's where you come in, Brother whig.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #53 posted by whig on September 20, 2006 at 10:18:33 PT
First thought
They will call Hugo Chavez the antichrist.
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Comment #52 posted by whig on September 20, 2006 at 10:15:46 PT
Address to the heads of state of the world
Submitted without present comment.http://cannablog.wordpress.com/2006/09/20/submitted-without-present-comment/
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Comment #51 posted by FoM on September 20, 2006 at 10:15:26 PT
BGreen
I think of Willie the same way as you do. It's a heart thing for me.
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Comment #50 posted by whig on September 20, 2006 at 10:11:55 PT
BGreen
May I quote you?
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Comment #49 posted by whig on September 20, 2006 at 10:11:30 PT
BGreen
Thank you for the inspiration. I will.
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Comment #48 posted by museman on September 20, 2006 at 09:48:36 PT
Willie, shrooms, and herbology
They say that "it always gets darker before the dawn." This is a perfect example of what is going on.The liars who claim to be our 'representatives' in a constitutionally illegal government, are grasping at straws in a desperate last-ditch effort to shore up the sieve which is the W.O.D.Willie was singled out, because of his out-front stance on marijuana prohibition at a time when most of the country is realizing the insanity perpetrated by the power elite - most specially concerning marijuana. It's the 'ol 'might makes right' routine - "I got a gun, so it doesn't matter whether you are right or not, you'll do as I say." Just like mr monkey-bush and his fellow chimps- hell the whole tribe of orangutans called 'republicans.' Lets not forget the cute and cuddly Rhesus - called 'christians' who have a nasty infectious bite.Willie will be alright. You just can't force a good man to betray his convictions, and in this stupid and illegal war against United States citizens, such convictions as Willie's when brought up clearly in a public-accessable courtroom quite often reveal the nakedness of the emporer.As for herbology and shrooms - well shrooms as a pain -killer is a misnomer. They might help with psychologicly-rooted pain, but with actual instense physical pain, like a toothache for example, they actually intensify the pain. I know from experience, and from field comparisons with many other experienced users - bear in mind that most of the domesticated 'shrooms' available today in the black market, are incomparable to the wild untampered psilicybin cubensus and 'liberty caps.' The current indoor production of black market shrooms -again from my own experience and comparative field study- for the most part does not come close in either potency, or clarity to those produce by nature alone without the greedy hand of man being involved.As they are a sacred medicine, the energy with which they are made determines a good deal of what the 'high' is like.
The difference between a ceremony held with sacred cubensis -harvested from the earth, and just a 'shroom party' from 'bought' commodity, or a commercial grow is night and day. There are other forms of shroom, one was mentioned; Amanita Muscaria. Deadly. Amanita's (and muscaria is only one) have been used by ancient 'primitive' peoples for thousands of years with no record of death or brain damage, however give a couple of youth eager to 'get high' the chance to experiment and you've got a 50/50 chance of death or coma. The fact that ignorance and arrogant assumption is a rampant disease in the white race (most specially american wasps), has led to thinking that 'we know better' and the tried and true methods of antiquity are essentially 'superstition' and 'cultural primitive.' I've seen this same kind of false assumption made over and over again about 'the potency of modern marijuana.'The same applies to other herbs used by medicine-men and shaman for healing and 'communication with the spirits' (of the earth -not 'the dead'). Jimpson weed, and it's genus root - Belladonna Nightshade have been used for thousands of years. Because a foolish white man - no culturally conscious Native American, or Hispanic, or Black man would make such a mistake as to ignore the wisdom of antiquity- would choose to experiment with smoking Jimpson, for example, and totally mess up their mind for the rest of their life is not the fault of the plant or herb. I also know this from experience as I once had a medicine woman show me the difference. She wouldn't tell me the secret engredients, other than a small part of the mixture was Jimpson Weed, but let me tell you it was a very cool, sacred, and powerful experience. Since I don't know the right mixture of herbs to get that experience again (not that I'd need to, once was enough), after one crazy try at Jimson itself, I've not found any need to pursue it any further. When it comes to psychedelics I have one rule; it must come from a medicine-person, a shaman who knows what they are doing, and whose motivation has nothing whatsoever to do with profit. Unfortunately most (mostly white)americans who dabble in things they really don't understand, will probably never get the real intended experience, because they have no real sense of 'The Sacred,' and think nothing of the fact that their purchased goods are inadequate, flawed, and contaminated by selfish motivations.
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Comment #47 posted by BGreen on September 20, 2006 at 09:43:03 PT
What about a different angle, whig
How about writing about the inhumanity of a 73-year-old musical genius being arrested at all for a plant that he attributes to his healthy state of being, far more able-bodied than the majority of his peers, and still creating music with a quality of composition, arranging and performing that proves that he isn't hampered in any way by this cannabis plant.Write about the fact that Willie Nelson is so creative, so inventive, so active and so lucid for a man of his age (or even a man 40 years younger,) and how this points to the fact that the government propaganda about "anti-motivational syndrome," laziness, memory problems, physical problems, etc. don't apply to Willie, and it could therefore be plausible to believe that they don't effect millions of other cannabis users.Write about the gracious nature of these "criminals" even knowing their lives and freedom were in danger, and point out the similarity of their gentle nature to that of most of the cannabis users who are arrested. Point out the vicious nature of the violent criminals the law refuses to pursue with the same voracity they do for the cannabis user.Write about the family love that had even older sister 75-year-old Bobbie Nelson claiming ownership of this gentle cannabis plant. Not a single one of them were ashamed of the cannabis plant.Whatever you do, write. We have a responsibility to come to Willie's defense if we expect him to come to ours. He deserves our help.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #46 posted by whig on September 20, 2006 at 09:11:45 PT
FoM
I haven't written about Willie's case on the cannablog because I don't want to add fuel to the fire, even if it helps advance our issue, if it also puts Willie Nelson in more jeopardy. It seemed to me the way to address it would be to take the pictures of the stash that were found and say, if you or I were found in possession of that much cannabis we'd be in jail and prosecuted as felons. But they have a public relations problem because people really love Willie Nelson and it would be hard to get a jury to convict. If he doesn't plea bargain he has the right to a jury trial if they charge him with a felony, though I don't know what Louisiana's rules are in regards to misdemeanors. But I can't make a big deal about this double standard without thinking that it would make it more likely that Willie will be charged with a felony and I do not want that to happen. Unless Willie were to come out and talk about the double standard himself, I can only mention it here among friends and those who explicitly concern themselves with looking at what we have to say on CNews.The way I see it Cannablog is trying to get more attention from people who don't otherwise think about our issue, is what I'm saying, so I have a different sort of audience in mind when I write there.
http://cannablog.wordpress.com/
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Comment #45 posted by FoM on September 20, 2006 at 08:57:48 PT
Had Enough 
I agree with you but that's the mother in me that thinks no matter what as long as Willie is ok I can deal with it.
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Comment #44 posted by Had Enough on September 20, 2006 at 08:49:10 PT
FoM 41
I don’t think Willie will stand for the hypocrisy of it all.And I also don't think Willie takes kindly to kissing the authorities butt. I don’t think Willie will plea bargain.That’s what I’m hoping for anyway.
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Comment #43 posted by FoM on September 20, 2006 at 08:47:27 PT

New York Daily News: When High is a New Low 
Celeb drug use can be a real bummer.
 September 20, 2006 
We media folks have always had a terrible time figuring out exactly how funny we should find celebrity drug use. 
When Willie Nelson gets busted for marijuana, as he did Monday, it's a pure gift to late-night TV and morning radio shows. Hosts like WFAN's Imus chuckle even before they begin, correctly pointing out that finding weed on Willie Nelson's bus is about as startling as finding olive oil in Rachael Ray's kitchen. Everyone has a good laugh and we move on. It's been years since anyone in the media expressed the slightest surprise about a Paul McCartney or Snoop Dogg popping up in a story about marijuana, because talking nice about pot and occasionally getting busted for it is one of the things they do, a part of their celebrity job description. 
 Snipped:Complete Article: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/story/453881p-381938c.html
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Comment #42 posted by Had Enough on September 20, 2006 at 08:35:15 PT

a rarity for Saint Martin Parish District Attorney
“Having all five claim the drugs for themselves is a rarity for Saint Martin Parish District Attorney Chester Cedars. He says his office will decide whether to upgrade the charges to felonies or further downgrade them -- based on evidence provided by the trooper.”His office will decide weather to upgrade/downgrade the charges based on the evidence provided by the trooper. HhmmThe trooper has already provided the evidence. FoM has even posted a picture of it, and I’m sure others have posted that picture for the world to see. This guy is spinning already.

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Comment #41 posted by FoM on September 20, 2006 at 08:35:12 PT

Had Enough 
I agree if this goes to a jury trial it could really change the laws faster then the pace we are going. He is 73 years old so if he plea bargains I sure would understand. 
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Comment #40 posted by Had Enough on September 20, 2006 at 08:22:03 PT

Showdown
Willie needs to go all the way with this.The State Police know they stepped in something smelly here. They don’t want to let the genie out of the bottle, but I think they know that it might be too late.No matter weather he is slapped on the wrist, or prosecuted to the max, the enforcers will not look good in the eye of the public. This might be the straw that breaks the camels back.Now if they prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law, they will have a public relations issue, and if they just allow just a slap on the wrist with preferential preference, they will still face public scrutiny. They are between a rock and a hard place.I’ll bet the Louisiana State Police, DA too, deep down inside wish this wouldn’t have happened, and would like it to just go away.Willie has enough fame and fortune to deal with this. The laws could very well be changed soon if he handles this properly. This could be it, or at least accelerate the process.Willie, Just do it.

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Comment #39 posted by BGreen on September 20, 2006 at 07:45:24 PT

Talk about political suicide
Willie Nelson is loved and adored by countless millions of people worldwide.Lawyers are despised and distrusted by countless millions of people worldwide.There's not a jury in this country that would convict Willie in a trial. Willie needs to demand a jury trial if they want to try and take away his freedom.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #38 posted by FoM on September 20, 2006 at 07:39:40 PT

Way To Go Again Stan White
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/19/AR2006091901549.html
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Comment #37 posted by FoM on September 20, 2006 at 07:29:13 PT

Prosecutor: Nelson Case To Be Handled Like Others

 
 
  
September 20, 2006ST. MARTINVILLE, La. -- Willie Nelson could receive more than misdemeanor drug charges from his run-in with Louisiana state police -- that is, if a local prosecutor finds reason to upgrade the charges.Louisiana state police stopped Nelson's tour bus early Monday on Interstate Ten near Breaux (BROH') Bridge, Louisiana. Inside, a trooper allegedly found a pound-and-a-half of marijuana and two-tenths of a pound of psychedelic mushrooms, which are felony narcotics if pure.Five people, including the 73-year-old Nelson, were issued misdemeanor simple possession charges for the drugs. That's after all five allegedly claimed the drugs were for personal use. None of those involved were arrested.Having all five claim the drugs for themselves is a rarity for Saint Martin Parish District Attorney Chester Cedars. He says his office will decide whether to upgrade the charges to a felonies or further downgrade them -- based on evidence provided by the trooper.Cedars says his office could be ready to move on the case within 30 to 45 days.The 73-year-old Nelson performed in Montgomery Sunday during a birthday celebration for the late Hank Williams.Copyright 2006 Associated Presshttp://www.wtvm.com/Global/story.asp?S=5432826&nav=8fap
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Comment #36 posted by FoM on September 20, 2006 at 07:21:37 PT

Willie
I don't like Toby Keith because he is a Bush type person. Anymore that is an instant turn off to me. I never heard any of his music except the song about smoking with Willie but I never listen to country and western type music either. I laughed during the interview but it did scare me because it was so straight forward. Maybe this Toby dude will change his thinking a little since BGreen says he is a friend of Willie Nelson.
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Comment #35 posted by Dankhank on September 20, 2006 at 07:09:13 PT

Willie
BGreen is right.Toby "narcing" is accurate as far as it goes, but really not the issue. The "smoked with willie" song has been around for a while.I harbor no ill will for that or the interview where he "outed" the bus.It is indeed the heinous law that is the culprit.
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Comment #34 posted by goneposthole on September 20, 2006 at 06:41:31 PT

I sure hope
That the authorities return that pound and a half of the cannabis that was confiscated from Willie.The IRS grabbed about sixteen million dollars from Willie a few years ago.The US gubbermint can't find Osama, but they know where Willie hangs out.They know where the money is too. Willie Sutton would be envious of the IRS.He has paid his dues. Give him a break this time.You know what they say: Dope in times of no money...It makes no sense anymore. Sexual predators are placed in neighborhoods and that's ok. Somebody who wants to enjoy some cannabis gets jail time.Unbelievable.
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Comment #33 posted by BGreen on September 20, 2006 at 05:55:29 PT

I'm not a big Toby Keith fan
However, Toby is a friend of Willie's and since a friend of mine is also a friend of Willie's I have to weigh in.Toby hasn't said anything about Willie that Willie didn't want him to. Toby wrote the song "Smoke Weed With Willie" which basically told the whole story.Everybody knew Willie smoked cannabis and it doesn't take a genius to figure out that there was probably cannabis on his bus since he basically lives in it year round.The thing is that most cops look the other way BECAUSE it's Willie Nelson. That kind of cannabis freedom isn't really fair to the rest of us and is probably a good reason why Willie isn't even more vocal about the devastating effects of cannabis prohibition on his friends and Family (and Mrs. Green and I are honorary Family members.)Let's channel our righteous anger towards the correct target, which is the government and the law enforcement clowns.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #32 posted by mayan on September 20, 2006 at 05:53:51 PT

Misc.
Proponents of legal pot say foes blowing smoke:
http://www.chieftain.com/metro/1158749624/21Marijuana activist criticizes vote:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Sep-20-Wed-2006/news/9756474.htmlMarijuana initiative faces heavy opposition, poll shows:
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060920/NEWS10/609200346/1016/NEWS
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Comment #31 posted by Hope on September 19, 2006 at 21:45:24 PT

The Honeysuckle Rose
I wouldn't be surprised if they don't try to seize her yet.
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Comment #30 posted by Hope on September 19, 2006 at 21:44:01 PT

Guess now, Mark Souder
can pin a little nasty "narc" medal on Toby Keith's chest at some sort of sicko narco celebration.
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Comment #29 posted by nuevo mexican on September 19, 2006 at 21:32:51 PT

I caught that, when I watched the posted video!
Yes, Toby Keith narced on Willie, if you watch the video from the Colbert Report, he goes Waaaaay overboard, obviously oblivious to the fact that if you make a HUGE deal about Willies' being an out of the closet smoker, and go into major detail about the bus, something would likely happen! And it did!I do think it's for the best, as it exposes the danger of alcoholics' outing smokers, since they can drink gallons of 151, and stock cases of bud in their garages til the moon goes down.....with no consequences unless you're the drunk driver! Minimize the harm of alcholhol, since we accept this as part of the sacrifice we make to indulge in enriching our special booze manufacturers, with societys' added glorification to take away the pain of all those deadly car accidents.... and people like Toby to make Cannabis look like the bad guy.If Toby was a cannabis smoker, does anyone think he would've gone so far off the deep end making fun of Willie, and putting his right to privacy in jeopardy?Looking forward to Tobys' Karmic return!Redneck, bush licking, war loving Toby! May Willies' record sales skyrocket, and Toby continue his Whiskey sloberin', good ole boy ways!Right into the toilet Toby, like you didn't know you'd get him busted!Maybe Stephen Colbert can point out where Tobys' favorite watering hole is, or next concert, so the boys in blue can stalk Toby knowing he's a drunk, looking for a shot after the show.For some reason, you know THAT'S NOT going to happen.
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Comment #28 posted by Hope on September 19, 2006 at 21:25:11 PT

Toby Keith on Colbert Report.
I downloaded that thing from youtube yesterday and never got a chance to watch it all day, and just decided not to watch it before I went to bed since everyone thought it was arrogant and irritating anyway.That's really something to be proud of, isn't it? Narcing, insulting, embarrassing, or busting Willie Nelson. I'm thinking..."Arsenio, who?"
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Comment #27 posted by Hope on September 19, 2006 at 21:21:28 PT

Comment 25
He was "breastfed"?
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Comment #26 posted by FoM on September 19, 2006 at 21:14:08 PT

Toby Keith
What Toby Keith said on the Colbert Report was funny but I also wondered if it could hurt Willie. Yes, he did Narc on Willie.
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Comment #25 posted by goneposthole on September 19, 2006 at 21:06:39 PT

Yellowstone
Haven't been there in twenty years. You gotta love it. Rocky Mountain High... ColoradoCannabis might as well be legal in Colorada, it is a groovy place.Can't we all just get along?Willie Nelson has written over seven hundred songs.I don't think any of them has harmed anybody... ever.It's time for the US government to face the music.Cannabis prohibition can be over in a heartbeat. It's that simple. End it, the earth will breathe a sigh of relief.It has all become too much. It has gone beyond the pale.If you want real relief, smoke cannabis. All of those pharmaceuticals that are legal won't do it.How surprised are the hapless Republicans going to be when the first Tuesday in November comes to an end?If the election isn't rigged, the Republicans are toast.Willie Nelson is a national treasure. If you remember, he smoked a joint on the roof of the White House while Carter was President. The last decent president the US gov had. He was also breast fed. Old Faithful represents the American spirit moreso than the current crop of politicians that inhabit the District of Columbia.If they would only be faithful to themselves and the Constitution, we'd have something worth having."To thine own self be true" - SocratesWillie Nelson is. He's himself at all times. He can't pretend to be somebody else. Let him go, he ain't hurtin' nobody.Don't feed the bears or the politicians in Washington. They never get enough.
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Comment #24 posted by Dankhank on September 19, 2006 at 20:52:41 PT

and ...
it refered to the show Toby did the other day, talking about Willie's bus ...
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Comment #23 posted by whig on September 19, 2006 at 20:52:37 PT

Hope
Toby Keith was on Colbert last week, and he narc'ed Willie's bus on the air, so it wasn't even an accusation, just an observation. He did it and he thought it was funny, I guess. But it's one thing that everyone might suspect that Willie has pot on his bus, it's another thing for someone to come out and openly say so on national television, which made it notorious.
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Comment #22 posted by Dankhank on September 19, 2006 at 20:51:42 PT

Colbert
Colbert show was amazing tonight ...yes he said Toby narked on Willie ...
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Comment #21 posted by Hope on September 19, 2006 at 20:47:49 PT

Whig, Comment 19
Colbert really said that?
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Comment #20 posted by Hope on September 19, 2006 at 20:46:53 PT

 "cure meanness"?
Goneposthole, comment 10. "It was used by Hopi medicine men to cure meanness."Wow!I wonder if it "cured" them by killing them?That would work, I guess.If it didn't work that way, but actually healed something in the brain...they ought to be offering the tea in the prisons...and to some members of congress.
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Comment #19 posted by whig on September 19, 2006 at 20:42:32 PT

Colbert is right
Toby Keith really narc'ed on Willie's bus.
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Comment #18 posted by FoM on September 19, 2006 at 19:55:32 PT

CBS4 Denver News Report
Pot Supporters Want Initiative Passed Statewide
 ***By Terry Jessup, ReportingSeptember 19, 2006Supporters of the marijuana initiative took to the State Capitol to get more supporters and argue that pot is far less harmful than alcohol.After the success of the Denver pot initiative, which surprised a lot of people, they figured they have a decent chance of getting this passed statewide. Amendment 44 would make it legal for people of drinking age to possess an ounce or less of pot."I can imagine what we look like," said Jessica Peck Corry. "We're probably the last group of people you would expect to be supporting marijuana legalization."Article and Video: http://cbs4denver.com/politics/local_story_262221322.html
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Comment #17 posted by The GCW on September 19, 2006 at 18:24:25 PT

From Sensible Colorado 
Check out Sensible Colorado on TV tonight! SensiCo's legal work on the I-100 "Test Case" of Damien LaGoy will be featured on Channel 4 News tonight (Tuesday the 19th) at 10pm. To read more about Sensible Colorado's groundbreaking advocacy on behalf of this victim of the War on Marijuana see: http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_3656809If you're having trouble viewing this email, you may see it online.Sensible Colorado 
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Comment #16 posted by mayan on September 19, 2006 at 18:20:35 PT

Nevada
From the article FoM posted in comment #15...In fact, the state sued to have Question 7 taken off the ballot earlier this year and Levine and his organization took them to court and won.The Clark County Commission has stepped way out of bounds! They are using the Nevada taxpayer's money to illegally tell those taxpayer's what they can and can't vote on? This will backfire also. THE WAY OUT...Five Years Later: The Official Story Falls Apart:
http://911blogger.com/node/3027
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Comment #15 posted by FoM on September 19, 2006 at 17:51:36 PT

Nevada: Article from WorldNow and KLAS 

Legalizing Marijuana in Nevada Just Became More Complicated***By Ashanti Blaize, ReporterSeptember 19, 2006 
 
 
 
 
The Clark County Commission is now facing legal action after voting Tuesday to oppose a November ballot question involving the decriminalization of marijuana. The Committee to Regulate and Control Marijuana announced the legal action at the Clark County Commission meeting. The organization says the county commissioners are violating state law just by talking about that ballot question, let alone voting on it.  In the next 24 hours, the organization says the attorney general's office will hear about it. For the last 3-and-a-half years, Neal Levine has been fighting the state of Nevada with one goal in mind. Levine said, "Our laws are a complete failure. They do not work. Anyone who wants to smoke marijuana currently can. So, are we going to keep ignoring that and funding the activities of violent gangs and drug dealers, or are we going to be sensible about it and put some sensible safeguards on the sale of marijuana." Levine thought his organization, the Committee to Regulate & Control Marijuana, was finally seeing some progress in its battle in the form of a ballot question. "Question 7 is an initiative on the ballot this November that would pull marijuana out of the criminal market and put it into a tightly regulated controlled and taxed market" said Levine.That progress hit a wall when Levine and his organization learned the Clark County Commission would discuss and vote on question 7, and whether they believed it should even be on the November ballot. Levine, backed by dozens of supporters and armed with a lesson in Nevada state law, decided to show up at county commissioner meeting. During the meeting, Levine told the commissioners "to continue what you are doing here today certainly flies in the face of Nevada law." Levine continued, "The only exception for a public official on the public dime supporting or closing a ballot initiative is in a debate setting where both sides are equally represented and that most certainly wasn't that." Now Levine will take his battle all the way to the attorney general's office, hoping voters, rather than the County Commission have the final say on whether Levine wins his battle to legalize marijuana. The Clark County Commission's attorney says she doesn't believe the commissioners broke any law by voting on ballot question 7, and neither did any of the commissioners, but Levine says he's taken legal action against the state before in a similar case.In fact, the state sued to have Question 7 taken off the ballot earlier this year and Levine and his organization took them to court and won. Send feedback to reporter Ashanti Blaize at ablaize klastv.com
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5430730
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Comment #14 posted by FoM on September 19, 2006 at 17:34:07 PT

Whig
Most states don't allow Cannabis at all. I would never recommend it for that reason. What we say can be used against us or someone else. Trying to change the laws won't get anyone in trouble at least until they make a law that working for change is illegal. Hopefully that won't happen.
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Comment #13 posted by whig on September 19, 2006 at 17:28:15 PT

FoM
Can I recommend cannabis if it is illegal?
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Comment #12 posted by whig on September 19, 2006 at 17:24:13 PT

goneposthole
Socrates was given hemlock to drink, to kill him. It is a powerful poison.
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Comment #11 posted by whig on September 19, 2006 at 17:21:15 PT

FoM
Sorry, I wasn't trying to endorse it, but I do think we should be able to say something about it in defense of people like Willie who could be jailed for possession of mushrooms too. I am focused on cannabis, but I believe that no plant should be criminalized.
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Comment #10 posted by goneposthole on September 19, 2006 at 17:15:18 PT

that's right
Do not use Jimson Weed without knowledge of what to do.It will kill you. Although, one person who tried it ingested an amount that I was aghast as to how much it was. I was taken aback that they didn't have some sort of near death experience.It was used by Hopi medicine men to cure meanness.A very powerful medicine, indeed. Don't try it for grins and giggles, it's not that kind of plant.
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Comment #9 posted by FoM on September 19, 2006 at 17:07:51 PT

Whig
We shouldn't recommend illegal substances on a public forum. If someone takes a substance and something would happen to them that would be very bad. We really are here to help change the laws on cannabis. 
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Comment #8 posted by whig on September 19, 2006 at 17:05:18 PT

goneposthole
Jimson weed is very toxic, and I would not recommend it for anyone. I am not saying this to be disagreeable, but to warn others who may read your description as a recommendation.
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Comment #7 posted by goneposthole on September 19, 2006 at 17:02:35 PT

whig
Have you ever tasted absinthe leaves? Very bitter, acrid taste. You can't stomach the taste. Also, there is a plant called water hemlock. It has a flanged petiole like celery. They have a taste that isn't offensive. It looks similar to a celery stalk. If you eat a few leaves or the stalk, you will be dead in a couple of hours.It grows everywhere. You must be careful of what you eat. Some of God's plants will kill you.Just for your edification.
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Comment #6 posted by FoM on September 19, 2006 at 17:00:28 PT

Mushrooms
Back in the 70s we tried mushrooms one time and never again. They were milder then LSD but once was enough. Cannabis is way different. Cannabis doesn't pack that type of a wallop. 
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Comment #5 posted by whig on September 19, 2006 at 16:56:16 PT

Also
Mushrooms are sacred to me too.So are other things, whether or not I use them.Peyote is sacred.Probably a lot of things. Don't condemn what God provides.
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Comment #4 posted by goneposthole on September 19, 2006 at 16:50:39 PT

just don't like them
It has been more than thirty years ago now when I first tried mushrooms.They were very dry. I didn't really understand why someone would try a 'substance' that didn't taste very good, was difficult to ingest, and even more difficult to digest. They also made me nauseous.I have never had any desire to try mushrooms since then.Maybe they were just bad. I don't know, but I just didn't like them. I didn't feel in control.I have tried Jimson Weed, an extremely powerful alkaloid, and I felt more in control of my being.Not everybody likes mushrooms or must. 
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Comment #3 posted by whig on September 19, 2006 at 16:46:10 PT

mushrooms
Very nice, painkillers too. Real good ones. Take a dose once a week, and you're fine.Bit of a strong experience for me and too distorting, or at least it was, but I was in a lot of pain then, much more than I am now. Cannabis wouldn't have been enough, never was when I tried it. Psilocybian mushrooms (or P. mexicana sclerotia) were the best of the best of all painkillers I've ever seen.
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Comment #2 posted by Max Flowers on September 19, 2006 at 16:32:13 PT

goneposthole
I'm curious as to why you say you "hate" mushrooms. That is a very strong statement. It sounds like you must have had a very bad experience with them, which basically means that you had a bad experience with your own mind. Psychedelics usually only give people a bad experience if they are unprepared to see what the psychedelic experience shows them. They basically just magnify what is already there.I'll try to help you understand why people want to use them. To start with, humans have craved psychedelic experiences since the dawn of time. It's actually the same thing that you crave when you smoke cannabis, but cannabis gives a much less intense version. To suspend the ego for a short while and have a feeling of bliss and oneness with the universe (kooky as that may sound) is a pretty darn strong draw. Temporarily removing the filter of day-to-day consciousness with its attendant neuroses and fears is a pretty special thing also. For a lot of people, it is a form of religious experience (me included). But it is only very infrequently that I go there, I'd even say very rarely. For Willie and the crew, it sounds like it is more of a recreational thing, which I don't recommend or believe in, but oh well (although we can't actually know this for sure---they may take it very seriously for all we know). If you're willing to share, it would be interesting to hear what happened that caused you to come to hate them. I also wonder whether someone didn't give you something really toxic and dissociative like Amanita muscaria and tell you they were "shrooms." Are you quite sure they were psilocybes? 
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Comment #1 posted by goneposthole on September 19, 2006 at 13:05:05 PT

What a surprise!
What surprises even a dullard like me is that this silly bidness of arresting cannabis imbibers continues to this day.Leave cannabis alone. Leave cannabis imbibers alone.I hate psychedelic mushrooms and never could understand why people want to use them. I tried them once and never again.I'd rather eat worms.Smoke cannabis instead.
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