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Medical Field Against Legalized Marijuana
Posted by CN Staff on September 03, 2006 at 18:22:37 PT
Dr. Ted Beam
Source: Central Kentucky News Journal
USA -- Even with my busy schedule, I usually make the monthly meetings for the Campbellsville-Taylor County Anti-Drug Coalition held at Taylor Regional Hospital. It matters. Removing illegal drugs from the community will help us reach many goals. We want health, prosperity and hope for our community, not despair, hopelessness and poverty.I laughed to myself when I read the recent letter from Colorado stating that marijuana could and would be used in a responsible way by responsible adults if made legal. I just don't believe that. I grew up in the 60s and 70s.
I watched nickel and dime bags being passed around at concerts and festivals as the police just watched. I helped friends get home safely after they had indulged themselves in smoking the weed. And then I read that "responsible adults" would handle it properly.I have also noticed that the medical field consistently stands against legalizing the general use of marijuana. The medical field presently uses a synthetic cannabis in some treatments. These treatments are developed and supervised by scientists, pharmacists and medical doctors who have the training, expertise and experience to use a synthetic cannabis in a way that aids their patients. The medical field is using narcotics (both natural and synthetic) in a similar way, to aid their patients. I doubt that most citizens (regardless of how responsible we might be) have the knowledge and skill to use marijuana in a way that does not diminish our mental capacity or even diminish our health.These are just my personal observations; however, I would like to address one statement made by the citizen of Colorado when he stated that the Bible, even the first page of the Bible, supported the human consumption of marijuana because it bore seeds which caused reproduction. This conclusion is flawed because he makes a leap in logic that just cannot be justified.The scripture is my area of expertise, with three earned graduate degrees in Bible and theology. The reader from Colorado has a simple argument: God gave all plants that bore seeds and reproduced to humans for consumption. I disagree. If every plant that reproduced itself was given by God for us to consume, then there is an automatic conclusion ... that would mean every plant. This would include coca from which we produce cocaine, peyote cactus and Psilocybe mushroom each from which we produce hallucinogens, none of which have a positive medical use.If the reader from Colorado is correct in his interpretation of the Bible, then God also intends for us to ingest poison ivy, poison oak and any other poisonous plant. According to Google.com, there are 5.5 million listings for poisonous plants, plants listed as toxic to humans (I don't see a reason to include the multiple names of plants God created that would kill humans). I'm just not convinced God intended for these plants to be eaten, smoked or their resins to be injected. As a matter of fact, Genesis Chapter 2 actually says that those plants that are "good for food" are the only ones given by God to humanity to consume.I think common sense would conclude that plants which produce health and life are given by God for human consumption. Plants which would alter the state of mind, cause other harm or even death were not given by God for human consumption. God is not in the business of harming the very people He loves. It seems like a no-brainer to me.Source: Central Kentucky News Journal (Campbellsville, KY)Author: Dr. Ted Beam, Senior Pastor Campbellsville First UMCPublished: Sunday, September 03, 2006Copyright: 2006 Central Kentucky News JournalContact: cknj cknj.comWebsite: http://www.cknj.comCannabisNews -- Cannabis Archives http://cannabisnews.com/news/list/cannabis.shtml
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Comment #69 posted by Dankhank on September 05, 2006 at 17:42:37 PT
poison ivy?
http://www.wildmanstevebrill.com/Plants.Folder/Poison%20Ivy.htmllast paragraph ...Nevertheless, poison ivy has medicinal uses. An ointment of equal parts poison ivy vine, prickly ash bark, and alfalfa seeds is supposed to be good, applied externally, for arthritis. I donít know if it works, and I suggest you donít try to find out yourself. There are safer herbal and nutritional treatments. Poison ivy is also used in homeopathic medicine. Here, herbs are repeatedly diluted so many times, there are literally no molecules left in the medicine. This makes homeopathy difficult to understand from a scientific basis, but itís supposed stimulate the bodyís defenses against the symptoms the offending substance causes. The patientís constitution is more important than the symptoms in choosing the best homeopathic treatment, but for people with skin problems, poison ivy is often included in the regimen. Of course, there are conflicting claims about whether homeopathy works. Some people benefit from it, others donít, but itís safer than drugs.
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Comment #68 posted by FoM on September 05, 2006 at 15:33:49 PT
museman
The way I look at a name is I try not to use one for God. God is universal and can be understood by many different faiths and personal belief structures. That way I feel I put God on the throne above it all if that makes sense.
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Comment #67 posted by museman on September 05, 2006 at 13:55:38 PT
His Name
Is Love. Every heart that beats can understand that, and if that love is present, what more qualifier do we need? I have explained (or thought I did) that my 'preference' for Y'shua rather than 'Jesus' or even "christ" is based on my own nature and experience, as well as actual 'documentation' that exists in various forms other than the fragmented record known as the 'biible.' In fact study of the sources of the gospels, including the rejected gnostic writings reveals the truth about this particular issue. However let me be even more explanatory,I, for example, for many years referred to "God" as "The Great Spirit" like my 'native-american' brothers, but as my experience brought me to new personal understandings I am most comfortable referring to 'God' as 'My Father In Heaven' a very 'christian' image -which is seemingly contradictory to my adamant refusal to accept other aspects relating to 'names.'My relationship with My Father in Heaven is a very personal one -as a fatherless child He was the first to listen and speak with me of other things than what the general humanity around me had to offer. (A lot of 'christians' told me that this was not possible -which caused me great confusion in my youth).I personally am comfortable with the 'label' "My Father In Heaven" but I KNOW IT IS ONLY A LABEL, IT IS NOT A NAME!"God" is not the 'Name of God', but some would call adding the word 'damn' to it "Using the 'name of god' in vain." This is the kind of ludicrous crap that has sent armies of children to war-STILL- and yet we all assume that when one says the word 'God' with the cap, we are all talking about the same mysterious being which none of us -except in their own personal way- knows much about.I know from my study, that YHWH represents the closest but 'unpronounceable' Name of God, and that 'The Most High Elohim' has been called by many names. Did the names change the nature of God, or was it mans understanding (or lack of it) that changed the nature of their own perception?YHWH - YSHWH There is a relationship that to me speaks such volumes, I can not relinquish the surety of these convictions, even as I try in all other things to not get hung up on semantic perspectives of the same things.
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Comment #66 posted by whig on September 05, 2006 at 13:55:32 PT
BGreen
I agree, and I don't put it in anyone's face. Most people have no idea what I think about anything unless they ask me, or unless they are my own friends and allies that share their beliefs with me.
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Comment #65 posted by FoM on September 05, 2006 at 13:03:50 PT
BGreen
I like how you worded your comment. 
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Comment #64 posted by BGreen on September 05, 2006 at 12:53:25 PT
Don't put the cart before the horse
I've discovered that my greatest witness and influence as a Christian has been when I know somebody for a while and they see what a good person I am, and THEN tell them I'm a Christian. You'd be surprised how many people never met a Christian they could like.I prefer to be known as a follower of Christ. It's self-explanitary, is the definition of a Christian, yet still sets me apart from the false Christians.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #63 posted by FoM on September 05, 2006 at 12:34:58 PT
Whig
Thank you and the feeling is quite mutual.
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Comment #62 posted by whig on September 05, 2006 at 12:30:40 PT
museman
I don't mean to diminish your ability to persuade others in any way. I do know that as a Jewish-raised Christian it is important that I not seem to be in any doubt about what I am saying, or seem to lack the courage to say it directly.
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Comment #61 posted by museman on September 05, 2006 at 12:26:44 PT
whig
I accept your summary, yet I feel I must say that situations in which we find ourselves don't end up quite so cut and dry. I have patience for the innocent, that they may come to understand in their own time -if possible, and just as I tried to be compassionate to my own children who were inundated with the myths of 'santa claus', the 'easter bunny', and the 'tooth fairy' I still had to tell them the truth, such is also the nature of love.
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Comment #60 posted by whig on September 05, 2006 at 12:02:03 PT
FoM
You made quite an impression on me.
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Comment #59 posted by whig on September 05, 2006 at 11:59:48 PT
museman
Then it is your role to speak to those who understand, and that is good. I am taking on a dual role to speak also to those who do not. We need many languages to communicate in Babylon.
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Comment #58 posted by FoM on September 05, 2006 at 11:56:48 PT
museman
I believe we should only measure our success for it's own merit. As we go thru life we leave impressions with people. The most important thing to me about doing CNews is that if the laws never change that I will have done my best and hopefully leave a small impression and maybe it will inspire someone to run with it until the job is finally done. That's my philosophy.
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Comment #57 posted by whig on September 05, 2006 at 11:54:40 PT
BGreen
But by leaving the field to them, they define the term as they like and deceive the people who have no other source of understanding. We cannot ignore this problem, or fail to speak to those who do not know what cannabis can do.
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Comment #56 posted by museman on September 05, 2006 at 11:22:21 PT
whig
I hear you, but the dust is still left my sandals. The idea of the 'christ' or the 'annointed one' (which is the Greek meaning) is in itself not to blame for the rampant ignorance that exists and HAS ALWAYS EXISTED within the xtian church.For the first 30 years or so of my search for truth, I ran into 'Jesus' this, and 'Christ' that, and all of the references were to words and deeds that NONE OF THEM FOLLOWED! The power in those words has historicly and consistently manifested itself in war, death, destruction, and pestilence -the actuality of the four horsemen of the apocaplypse- and the true root of that abomination called 'the church' is noneother than the spirit of the 'antichrist'. "Jesus Christ" is a label, not a name. It is as much a subversion of the truth as the church itself. If it were not for the fact that my search led me to the true name for that person called 'god' by the swallowers of xtian dogma and twisted logic, I would have had to accept the terms of illusion over the terms of truth. The fact that Yashua ben Yoseph was a man who lived and breathed, and because the TRUE followers hid their wisdom, buried it for us to find, reveal this in their text, and history such as the record of the Roman census bears this out, gave me an alternative.I took that alternative, and now I can proclaim the teaching and understanding of Y'shua without feeling the hypocrisy of xtianity.If you (or anyone) have an attachment to the terms of a failed system, no matter, because it is truly the essence of what you practice, not the choice of terminology that really matters. I will not surrender my position however (I already did that), so we are going to have to just agree to disagree.
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Comment #55 posted by museman on September 05, 2006 at 11:02:33 PT
FoM
..and I appreciate your appreciation.As an artist my frustration at the status quo's stranglehold on creativity is at the root of some pretty deep anger. It is all I can do to not 'personalize' and point the finger of accusation -from an entirely emotional response- I do know the difference between 'discernment and observation' and accusation and judgement (condemnation). A fact is a fact, and a supposition is just that.The fact that followers of truth are held to certain standards of rendering the truth, does them no worldy good in contemporary society, and in fact often leads to depressing results. The powers that be support this, and make many great efforts to insure that those passifist truth bearers suffer all the pains and frustrations that the powers can legislate, and enforce.I have had many conversations with friends and 'fans' who cannot understand why I have had no measure of success in 'marketing' my music, some of whom are adamant about the need to 'get the music out there'. I have explained that the nature if my music is totally contradictory to the values of the system which is the only profitable market in existence - the music industry. I sing about the disparaging situation existing between the rich and the poor, the suffering of innocence in one corner of the world while the limo's cruise in their flaunt of wealth and propriety down the boulevard. I sing about the lies that have been fed us for centuries by fear-based religions. I sing about truth. Always have and always will- there just is no material profit in it.For years I have wanted to communicate with Neil Young-for instance, but he has been insulated from the rest of us for a long time, and the channels have been worse than government beaurocracy. Now I can post songs on his web-page but the insulation is just as thick as it ever was. I don't hold it against him, I understand all too well the situation, but for artists like me the frustration can lead to sad sad ends. I recently heard of a good friend of mine -much younger- who was one of the best guitar players I ever knew. His frustration at not being able to make it, even with such incredible talent as he had, led to depression, hard drugs, and finally heart failure at the ripe old age of 44. This world killed him.Fortunately for me, I have other things in my life that keep me going, like my family- but poverty is not something a bright young child can be made to understand, and I have suffered great pain for their lack of equity in this oppulent country. A couple of years back I had to make a choice about my music, whether or not it was worth continuing, because my last attempt at 'getting it out there' via the internet was proving to be just about as fruitful as all my efforts to that point. I decided that regardless of who hears, or what venues I might get the chance to play, I am an artist, musician, and songwriter- and some voice whispered in my ear that it was OK, because the universe was listening, even if my own peers were too yuppified, and the youngers too dazzled by techno-crap. Perhaps after I am dead, and they no longer have to deal with me personally, it will be easier and safer to listen to and play my music.I'd like to see 'em put my music to the soundtrack of commercials! LOL! 
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Comment #54 posted by BGreen on September 05, 2006 at 10:30:20 PT
I, too, avoid using the description of Christian
I don't want to be associated with the murderous Pharisees who wrap themselves with the word "Christian."I'm perfectly content with following the teachings of Jesus without attaching any particular label to my beliefs.People who like to wrap themselves with labels such as "American" and "Christian" usually do so because they have nothing else to offer.I am an American and a Christian, but I don't go around shouting it from the rooftops.To quote the great Jon Bon Jovi, they "give Love a bad name."The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #53 posted by whig on September 05, 2006 at 10:15:30 PT
museman
I'm reclaiming the word, Christian. I'm not letting them have it. You have so much anger towards those false ones that you deny the label under which they practice their deception, but you should not. Be sure and certain in your announcing the truth. The Christian Church is ourselves, we are the Church and we are here now.
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Comment #52 posted by museman on September 05, 2006 at 10:00:38 PT
license to propogate ignorance
"The scripture is my area of expertise, with three earned graduate degrees in Bible and theology. The reader from Colorado has a simple argument: God gave all plants that bore seeds and reproduced to humans for consumption. I disagree."I disagree as well. For someone who has 'degrees' in biblical studies you'd thnk that they would at least get their 'scriptural quotations' right?The line from Genesis reads: "And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree ..."There is no reference to the general term 'plants'. The reference is most specific,and even goes further to define the difference by speaking of 'trees', which mr pastor ignorance -with all the best education money can buy- blatantly generalizes as "plants."Herb bearing seed, not 'plants bearing seed.' Is Poison Ivy an herb?This is a perfect example of the kind of subterfuge and deliberate misleading errors which all of our 'leaders' are taught in their schools of 'higher academics.'This man is the epitomy of the reason why I have taken Y'shuas advice;"And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.
And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet."This 'house' that is called 'christianity' -which in itself is a deliberate error of such great proportion still being bandied about in the streets- has rejected the corner stone of the REAL temple which is Faith and living action of Love.Their temple is built on the bones of children, and the lies of kings- as they reject the REAL Y'shua I also reject them. May their corruption swallow them and all their works forever.
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Comment #51 posted by BGreen on September 05, 2006 at 08:29:56 PT
Yes, whig, he sure did
One of the most dangerous "religious" types I've ever encountered were the products of the denomination specific religious colleges. They manage to take a Book that is supposed to be written for each of us personally, and instruct them in a way that not only removes their personal relationship with God, but fills them with such a degree of pride and superiority that they pompously and systematically destroy OUR personal relationship with God, and we find ourselves ultimately in submission to the mortals like Mr. Marsh and Mr. Beam instead of the Almighty God.These are dangerous people and I'm glad I figured them out before they destroyed me and my family.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #50 posted by whig on September 05, 2006 at 01:23:19 PT
BGreen #24
Didn't he just do that?I'm just saying, what he says to the least of us he says to God.
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Comment #49 posted by whig on September 05, 2006 at 01:19:32 PT
Hope
The Gutenberg Bible was printed on hemp paper.
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Comment #48 posted by FoM on September 04, 2006 at 22:23:00 PT
museman
Have you thought of sending Face Down in the Mud to Neil? I think you should. That's all.
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Comment #47 posted by FoM on September 04, 2006 at 22:18:06 PT
museman
Thank you for the song. I really appreciate your gift.
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Comment #46 posted by ekim on September 04, 2006 at 14:38:13 PT
The GCW
thank you for the props i hope you go read Petes site as it was his insightful comment that i was quoting.i agree with you on caging humans for Cannabis as most un Christ like/
http://www.drugwarrant.com
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Comment #45 posted by The GCW on September 04, 2006 at 13:38:26 PT
WRITE!
Write!Many letters have led up to this; here are LTEís that have been printedÖThe Central Kentucky News Journal has been receptive and is creating a platform for dialogue.US KY: LTE: Marijuana Is a Bigger Problem Than Some Think
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v06/n1068/a05.html?257812US KY: PUB LTE: False Claims And Outright Perjury
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v06/n000/a312.html?257812US KY: PUB LTE: Is Marijuana Safer Than Cigarettes?
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v06/n000/a311.html?257812US KY: PUB LTE: Why Leave Marijuana Unregulated?
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v06/n000/a310.html?257812US KY: PUB LTE: Marijuana Illegal, But Available
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v06/n1118/a03.html?257812US KY: PUB LTE: Drug Testing May Discourage High Schoolers
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v06/n492/a05.html?257812US KY: PUB LTE: Czech Republic Has Best Idea On Drugs
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v06/n492/a07.html?257812US KY: LTE: Hayes' Marijuana Message Rings True
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v06/n1129/a14.html?257812US KY: PUB LTE: Cannibis Less a Problem Than People Think
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v06/n1129/a13.html?257812US KY: LTE: Medical Field Against Legalized Marijuana
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v06/n1178/a05.html?257812Central Kentucky News JournalWrite; there is a good chance YOur voice will be heard.
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Comment #44 posted by BRM on September 04, 2006 at 12:45:38 PT:
dr. beam, are poison ivy and poison oak herbs?
dr.beam my King James version says every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed, to you it shall be for meat. dr. beam, are poison ivy and poison oak herbs or fruit trees? I'v been to google.com and I can not find the answer,will you be so kind to help me out here. thank you
Medical Field Against Legalized Marijuana
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Comment #43 posted by The GCW on September 04, 2006 at 11:25:50 PT
ekim
ekim,Thank You. Speaking for Myself, I need to realize not all churches are failing... and while I don't know that Methodist churches are teaching their youthful flocks to refrain from supporting war... I don't know and should refrain from speaking out... some times. And just because a church endorses the medical use of cannabis (kaneh bosm) for some... which is a start, it is failing if they still deem it ok to cage others that use cannabis for what ever reason.Again, thank You, ekim for pointing out:"he fails to note that the United Methodist Church has endorsed the use of medical marijuana"
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Comment #42 posted by museman on September 04, 2006 at 11:10:45 PT
apparently..
God is the Republican president of the Universe, and all who accept the mandate of bigotry, prejudice, and finite circles of 'divine logic' as rendered by such 'elected' representatives as we have in this country, and a few others, have equal opportunity to hand out pain and misery with full impunity.When someone can call themselves 'a biblical scholar' and then go out of their way to support Luciferian doctrine, I can only gasp at the brazen blasphemy of it!It is the nature of the lie to be exclusive of all the facts. Modern techniques have added the 'emotional' tweak to the small-minded 'moralities' of fascism and dead, dry, religions, Now you can get a lie with all the power of Hollywood to back it up, complete with sympathetical 'victims' and villified 'others.'Words cannot adequately describe the kind of righteous anger that must be emanating right now from the REAL GODHEAD! We feel it though. The earth feels it. These foolish people who think they have carte blanche to condemn, judge, and orchestrate all manner of polgroms against the True followers of Y'shua, and other teachers of the Highest Law which is Love, are in for some real flamin' pain. It will be the hardest thing I have ever done to not laugh at them in their demise as they laugh at our pain right now.Here's some appropriate music;
Face Down In The Mud
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Comment #41 posted by mayan on September 04, 2006 at 11:09:51 PT
Cage Us
This article is just another propaganda piece that doesn't mention the inconvenient truth of JAIL. JAIL???I doubt that most citizens (regardless of how responsible we might be) have the knowledge and skill to use marijuana in a way that does not diminish our mental capacity or even diminish our health.Cage us. Save us from ourselves.I'm just not convinced God intended for these plants to be eaten, smoked or their resins to be injected. As a matter of fact, Genesis Chapter 2 actually says that those plants that are "good for food" are the only ones given by God to humanity to consume.Doesn't The Bible say EVERY green herb and EVERY seed-bearing fruit? The cannabis seed is one of the most nutritious fruits of the earth. R.I.P., Mate. 
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Comment #40 posted by ekim on September 04, 2006 at 10:57:15 PT
Pete makes a good point
This letter: Medical Field Against Legalized Marijuana from Ted Beam -- a United Methodist pastor -- just annoys me. In addition to falling for all the reefer madness hype, he fails to note that the United Methodist Church has endorsed the use of medical marijuana. My dad is a retired United Methodist pastor, and I'm pleased to report that they're not all as ignorant as Ted. [thanks, DdC]
http://www.drugwarrant.com
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Comment #39 posted by Truth on September 04, 2006 at 10:17:57 PT
but....
he certainly isn't speaking the truth here...."The medical field presently uses a synthetic cannabis in some treatments."Dr., sir, it's a synthetic THC, not "cannabis", that the pharmaceutical companies want to sell you.
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Comment #38 posted by cannabliss on September 04, 2006 at 09:17:02 PT
Unintended Wisdom
This man speaks more truth than he realizes:"Removing illegal drugs from the community will help us reach many goals."Exactly. I would love to see illegal cannabis removed, replaced with legal cannabis. Many social ills would thereby be lessened.Welcome to our side, pastor! ;-)
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Comment #37 posted by Wayne on September 04, 2006 at 06:37:53 PT
wow
And I bet that our American media will probably try to paint Steve as some idiot who was fooling around with dangerous animals, instead of the brave, nature-loving pioneer that he was, who merely got caught in the wrong place at the wrong time.How unfortunate, for all of us... let us pray for his family.
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Comment #36 posted by FoM on September 04, 2006 at 06:37:43 PT
Hope
Yes the earth did lose a big sparkle. He always amazed me with what he did and his love for God's creatures. I heard on the news that the sting ray punctured his chest. He probably didn't suffer too long. I hope his wife holds up ok.
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Comment #35 posted by Hope on September 04, 2006 at 06:36:55 PT
Crikey!
He will be missed. Savagely.
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Comment #34 posted by Hope on September 04, 2006 at 06:30:41 PT
The earth has lost
a little sparkle. A pretty big sparkle, in fact.
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Comment #33 posted by Hope on September 04, 2006 at 06:28:40 PT
My grandson and Steve Irwin
From five or six years of age, my Grandson adored him, and did a Steve Irwin, perfect imitation, about lizards, and other natural wonders he ran on to. He, like Steve Irwin, could make you realize the wonder and magnificence of a lizard.I can't remember for sure but it started with something like, "Blimey, Mate! She's a beauty!"
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Comment #32 posted by FoM on September 04, 2006 at 06:26:26 PT
BGreen
He lived until he died. I will miss the flare, love and enthusiasm that he brought to every show and interview. I admire people who live their dream and Steve Irwin surely did. Rest in Peace, Steve.
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Comment #31 posted by Hope on September 04, 2006 at 06:23:55 PT
Steve Irwin...
Oh, man. What a loss. I'm so sorry.
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Comment #30 posted by BGreen on September 04, 2006 at 06:20:26 PT
Steve Irwin led his life on the edge
He risked his life doing what he loved, and even though he lost his life, he still had every right to take the chances he did.If only the rest of us would be allowed to take calculated chances with our own bodies when it comes to cannabis. Cannabis is not only a lot less riskier than a lot of legally allowed "extreme" sports, it also holds the distinction of having the most draconian punishment under U.S. laws when compared to the actual "harm" done by the so-called "crime."Crocs rule, mate. RIP.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #29 posted by FoM on September 04, 2006 at 06:09:04 PT
Off Topic: Sad News
I always liked Steve Irwin. He had such a zest for life. I'm miss seeing him.Death of a Crocodile HunterSteve Irwin, the daredevil wildlife documentarian, is killed in a stingray attack while filming on the Great Barrier Reef.http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1531446,00.html
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Comment #28 posted by potpal on September 04, 2006 at 05:13:31 PT
Whew again!
Wow, some powerful comments from all. I'm embarrassed to have kick this off with such a paltry line!I'm all for a mini-Hope. We all need Hope.
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Comment #27 posted by Sinsemilla Jones on September 04, 2006 at 03:04:04 PT
Wayne #6 - Brazil, good news?
"This law does not decriminalize drug use," complained Aranguri Soto. "It keeps punishing users, but now it treats them like sick people. It activates therapeutic justice and legitimizes the state's moralizing role when it comes to individual conduct," he argued. "The new law is a trap, a modern, compassionate, healing, therapeutic trap.""Yes, the new mantra is that this has shifted from being a police matter to a public health matter," he told Drug War Chronicle. "But people are still being punished for the choices they made, and if they donít comply with the 'socio-educational measures' the law mentions -- whatever those are -- they can still be imprisoned for six to 24 months. As if they owed society something for using drugs or needed to be 'educated' or 'corrected.'"Previously, small-time drug possessors faced between six months and two years in prison, but under the new law, they face only one or more of the following: treatment, community service, fines, or suspension of their drivers' licenses.
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Comment #26 posted by Sinsemilla Jones on September 04, 2006 at 02:44:35 PT
Hope - This is a matter of a plant being consumed.
Every idiot politician/preacher/policeman needs a mini-Hope standing on their shoulder shouting common sense in their ear 24/7.
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Comment #25 posted by John Tyler on September 03, 2006 at 22:18:53 PT
What would Jesus say?
Matthew quotes Jesus as saying that he didnít care what you put in your mouth. It didnít matter to him. He was only concerned with what came out of your mouth. Were your words kind, loving and comforting, or were they evil and hateful.
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Comment #24 posted by BGreen on September 03, 2006 at 21:49:09 PT
Mr. Beam might have this response to you, The GCW
"It is time for Him to tell Us what Christ God Our Father thinks."Mr. Beam would probably say this to God, "'(T)he scripture is my area of expertise, with three earned graduate degrees in Bible and theology,' how many degrees do you have? None? Well ..."The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #23 posted by The GCW on September 03, 2006 at 21:32:17 PT
I,I,I,I,I,I,
Dr. Ted Beam, Senior Pastor Campbellsville First UMC uses the word I toooo much.I usually - I just don't believe that - I watched nickel and dime bags - I helped friends get home - And then I - I have also - I doubt - I would like - I don't - I'm just not - I think ...He has a knack of telling Us how He thinks; It is time for Him to tell Us what Christ God Our Father thinks.The GCW
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Comment #22 posted by The GCW on September 03, 2006 at 21:12:14 PT
What is a Good Pastor???
A pastor that claims Christianity should have obligations to the Christ for which the namesake derives, over the obligations of a church organization.A Christian pastor that supports killling or other acts opposite of love, is not teaching the teachings of Christ and should get another job, except there is a market for such blunderers.There are sinners who do not want to be reminded or corrected but rather taught how to sin.Someone to lead a sinful nature.A flock that follows the wolf.A shepherd that kills sheep.Clergy that kill the Christ...Those are not good pastors.420The GCW
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Comment #21 posted by BGreen on September 03, 2006 at 21:07:28 PT
He's called Ted Beams on this website
That's why I inadvertently pluralized him. He's enough of a fool as a singular.The Reverend Bud Green
Campbellsville Downtown Business Association
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Comment #20 posted by FoM on September 03, 2006 at 20:59:33 PT
What is a Good Pastor? 
I had a really good Pastor one time. He just was kind and listened and spoke his mind but he wasn't critical. It's politics and religion that cause this problem. Not everyone wants to be guided by a church or doctrine. What about people who don't believe in God? Don't they have a right to be able to think for themselves as long as their actions don't hurt anyone? 
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Comment #19 posted by Hope on September 03, 2006 at 20:57:14 PT
Right B. Green!
It might save the man's life to take his property and home, force him to the gound, bind his hands behind his back, put him in a cage, and control his diet and force him to exercise...for his own good of course. It's obvious he can't make the right choices for himself.There are professionals who can get him the help he needs. Whether he wants it or not. He's obviously incapable of good judgment on the matter himself.He'll thank the police for it, eventually, surely. He will...or back to the cage for him. Responsible eating? I think not. He's poisoning himself and ruining his life. He needs help.We know just how to help him.
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Comment #18 posted by BGreen on September 03, 2006 at 20:49:30 PT
Mr. Ted Beams is NOT a doctor
But Mr. Ted Beams is FAT (I saw his picture) so he obviously doesn't care for HIS body.Mr. Ted Beams should be immediately thrown into prison for abusing food, because he obviously believes prison is the adequate punishment for abusing our bodies.Give me a phatty instead of a fat self-righteous "preacher" any day of the year.The Reverend Bud Green
Ted's Beam of Light
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Comment #17 posted by The GCW on September 03, 2006 at 20:30:52 PT
Misleading title.
"Medical Field Against Legalized Marijuana"Perhaps it should be titled:Pastor Against Legalized Marijuana.420Realize, the one who does the work of the Christ may not be the same one who passes mans paper test to get a diploma.Realize, the doctor who supports caging humans for using cannabis, is not considering the health harms associated with being caged.Realize people that leave a concert after smoking cannabis and also need a ride may be responsible and or may have also drank or done hard drugs...Realize, when the pastor points out: "God is not in the business of harming the very people He loves."...that it also pertains to clergy; clergy should not be in the business of harming the very people God created and loves either and that is what clergy does by helping govnerment put God's children in a cage for using a good plant that He / God says is good.Clergy around the globe; pay attention!If You wish to serve the Christ, You can not do it by failing like Dr. Ted Beam, Senior Pastor Campbellsville First UMC.I'm sure Ted helps with a healty cash flow for the United Methodist Church, but stumbles when it comes to guiding followers toward eternal importances.Three earned graduate degrees in Bible and theology is useless to Christ God Our Father; and of great importance to a church business that has to pay the bills and maintain a large commercial building.A fork in the road; for everyone.The Green Collar Worker
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Comment #16 posted by Hope on September 03, 2006 at 20:26:30 PT
Wonder how many early Bibles 
were printed or scribed on fine hemp paper?
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Comment #15 posted by MikeC on September 03, 2006 at 20:15:01 PT
Wayne/Comment #6...
Congratulations to the people of Brazil for taking a major step in the right direction!
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Comment #14 posted by Hope on September 03, 2006 at 20:14:30 PT
Ever thought about if the money spent on 
the War on Drugs was spent to decrease the rat, roach, flea, and lice population? Would that do suffering mankind some good...or not?Would that save lives or improve health and the quality of life for many people in this world?What about spending that money for healthcare for the indigent and the not so indigent...but struggling working people? Their children?What about if a poor family has as much right to life and health as a wealthy family?
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Comment #13 posted by lombar on September 03, 2006 at 20:10:18 PT
A degree in theology..
And no clue about the real issue. Illegal cannabis leads to peaceful people being brutalized by the state, having their lives disrupted, their property and liberty stolen, and being marginalized to limited participation in society. How can someone claim the bible as their area of expertise then proceed to demonstrate they have no compassion nor respect for freedom?
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Comment #12 posted by Hope on September 03, 2006 at 20:03:27 PT
Comment 5 Knowhemp
"God didn't intend for us to master our environment and make use of these things?"Indeed!
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Comment #11 posted by Hope on September 03, 2006 at 19:58:35 PT
This is a matter of a plant being consumed.
It is not murder. It is not adultery. It is not greediness. It is not lying. It is not assault. It is not gossip and tale bearing. It is not lust. It is not cruelty. It is not judgement. It is not laciviousness. It is not false witness. It is not thievery. It is not rape. It is not hypocrisy. It is not pride.It is a consumable, nutritious, useful, blessed plant.Can a plant be misused? Can a tree be misused? Can a stick be misused? Can a degree in theology be misused?
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Comment #10 posted by Hope on September 03, 2006 at 19:51:42 PT
It's medicine....
It's food. It's rope. It's paper. It's materials of all sorts. It cleans the soil and the air. It soothes the sorrowful and anxious. It gives appetite to those bereft of appetite even for sustainment. It relieves pain. It relieves nausea. It heals and eases a variety of the diseases of mankind. It is a gift from God, appreciated by many who are very thankful for it...it is therefore, in addition to all these things, "sanctified by the world of God and Prayer".
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Comment #9 posted by Hope on September 03, 2006 at 19:45:47 PT
hemp/cannabis sativa is not poisonous.
It is beneficial to many different people in many different ways.Beneficial in many, many ways!
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Comment #8 posted by The GCW on September 03, 2006 at 19:40:03 PT
This is the LTE, referred,
Referred;US KY: PUB LTE: Cannibis Less a Problem Than People Thinkhttp://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v06/n1129/a13.html?257220Pubdate: Wed, 23 Aug 2006Source: Central Kentucky News Journal (Campbellsville, KY)(This is what the LTE, Referenced: http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v06/n1068/a05.html )-CANNIBIS LESS A PROBLEM THAN PEOPLE THINK Karen Hayes ( Letter: "Marijuana is a bigger problem than some think" Aug. 13, 2006 ), does a disservice to responsible adults who wish to use cannabis ( marijuana ) instead of alcohol. It does a disservice to truth and rational thinking. And a disservice to Christ God Our Father who indicated he created all the seed-bearing plants saying they are all good on literally the very first page of the Bible ( see Genesis 1:11-12 and 29-30 ). It is commendable helping youth resist cannabis, drugs, cigarettes, alcohol, sex and coffee until they are older and responsible for themselves, but caging adults for using cannabis is the wrong way to do it. While cannabis has never led to overdose and is less addictive than coffee and less intoxicating than alcohol, many citizens believe cannabis is less of a problem that some people think. Fact is, the worst consequence for cannabis is being put in a cage for using it. 420The (My) message is that it is wrong according to Our heavenly Father to cage or support caging humans for using what God says He created and is good on the 1st page of the Bible.Been saying it for years.It catches failed clergy very well because when clergy isn't doing the work; following the Master / the Ecologician, the Christ, My Main Man; they get exposed.Dr. Ted Beam, Senior Pastor Campbellsville First UMC;A PASTOR!,Missed the boat; He seems to advocate caging humans for using what God says He created and says is good.Disappointing; not only to Me but to Our Father who sent Me.420,000,000It is an important message from Christ God Our Father, to love one another; You can not love someone and cage them for using what He says is good at the same time.Dr. Ted Beam, Senior Pastor seems to be stumbling starting on the very 1st page of the Bible. By the time He gets to page 3, He is probably lost; and probably supports killing and murder and George Bush and His stubling.Prayers are needed for these disobedient Christians.I know these types; He is like the pastor at the "Bible teaching church" I used to attend, who like wise supports caging humans for using what God says is good and supports the war in Iraq and preaches it from the pulpit.420,000,000Here is something from Urantia to help...Material evolution has provided you a life machine, your body; the Father himself has endowed you with the purest spirit reality known in the universe, your Thought Adjuster. But into your hands, subject to your own decisions, has been given mind, and it is by mind that you live or die. It is within this mind and with this mind that you make those moral decisions which enable you to achieve Adjusterlikeness, and that is Godlikeness. Mortal mind is a temporary intellect system loaned to human beings for use during a material lifetime, and as they use this mind, they are either accepting or rejecting the potential of eternal existence. Mind is about all you have of universe reality that is subject to your will, and the soul--the morontia self--will faithfully portray the harvest of the temporal decisions which the mortal self is making. Human consciousness rests gently upon the electrochemical mechanism below and delicately touches the spirit-morontia energy system above. Of neither of these two systems is the human being ever completely conscious in his mortal life; therefore must he work in mind, of which he is conscious. And it is not so much what mind comprehends as what mind -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
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desires to comprehend that insures survival; it is not so much what mind is like as what mind is striving to be like that constitutes spirit identification. It is not so much that man is conscious of God as that man yearns for God that results in universe ascension. What you are today is not so important as what you are becoming day by day and in eternity. Mind is the cosmic instrument on which the human will can play the discords of destruction, or upon which this same human will can bring forth the exquisite melodies of God identification and consequent eternal survival. The Adjuster bestowed upon man is, in the last analysis, impervious to evil and incapable of sin, but mortal mind can actually be twisted, distorted, and rendered evil and ugly by the sinful machinations of a perverse and self-seeking human will. Likewise can this mind be made noble, beautiful, true, and good--actually great--in accordance with the spirit-illuminated will of a God-knowing human being. http://www.urantia.org/papers/paper111.htmlThe Green Collar Worker
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Comment #7 posted by lemonboy on September 03, 2006 at 19:35:04 PT
Food, fiber, and medicine
I realize in the era of BushCo that multiple degrees in religion makes one a scientist and a doctor but you'd think they might still pick up a book now and then. The pastor conveniently leaves out the endless potential for hemp in his defense of scripture.Lets see... a plant that provides food, fiber, and medicine. It seems like a no-brainer to me.
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Comment #6 posted by Wayne on September 03, 2006 at 19:30:44 PT
at least Brazilians have the right idea
I wonder what the good doctor would have to say about this...Feature: Brazilian President Signs New Drug Law -- No Jail for Users (from Drug War Chronicle, Issue #451)http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/451/lula_signs_new_brazil_drug_law_no_jail_for_users
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Comment #5 posted by knowhemp on September 03, 2006 at 19:30:27 PT
MORON
First of all, the list of plants which provide food would INCLUDE cannabis. And peyote and other narcotics mentioned CAN be used to better mankind. Poison Oak was used to make tea by native americans. You just need to know what you're doing when you go messing with plants. Period.Snake, scorpion and other types of venom have been used recently to create miracle medicines. who's to say that God didn't intend for us to master our environment and make use of these things?
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Comment #4 posted by FoM on September 03, 2006 at 19:11:45 PT
About Poison Ivy
If I decided to consume Poison Ivy and a policeman saw me I wouldn't be put in jail. The policeman would just call me stupid. Personal responsibility really is a wise way to allow people to make up their own mind and be an adult and a master of their own fate I believe.
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Comment #3 posted by ekim on September 03, 2006 at 19:04:30 PT
bet he likes the water into wine one thou
is he related to JIM
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Comment #2 posted by Wayne on September 03, 2006 at 18:59:04 PT
re: potpal
You know, it really is difficult to sidestep issues with your head up your ass. It's equally funny to watch someone try to do it:"I doubt that most citizens (regardless of how responsible we might be) have the knowledge and skill to use marijuana in a way that does not diminish our mental capacity or even diminish our health."--Obviously, he's never met us...or 60 million other Americans. Then again, he is a doctor...one of society's 'elite'."I helped friends get home safely after they had indulged themselves in smoking the weed. And then I read that 'responsible adults' would handle it properly."--Well they were responsible enough to get rides home, now weren't they?And last but not least..."The scripture is my area of expertise, with three earned graduate degrees in Bible and theology."--And you gave all that up to be a doctor. Sure says a lot about your character. You had your choice between God and money... do you remember what God said about making that choice?
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Comment #1 posted by potpal on September 03, 2006 at 18:36:47 PT
Whew!
This guy's head is so far up his *** its pathetic.
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