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  Spirit of Cooperation at The '69 Festival 

Posted by CN Staff on August 13, 2006 at 06:17:21 PT
By John W. Barry 
Source: Poughkeepsie Journal 

New York -- When it comes to those who played critical roles during the 1969 Woodstock Music and Art Fair, nearly everyone knows Jimi, Janis, Carlos and Wavy — as in Hendrix, Joplin, Santana and Gravy.Add to that list Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, who return to the site of the 1969 festival tonight for a concert at the Bethel Woods Center for Performing Arts — the site's new incarnation.
You may be less familiar with other key players, hundreds of them, who helped nearly half a million people co-exist for three days on Sullivan County farm land.Take for example, Daniel and Ray — as in Carlson and Neuenhoff.Daniel Carlson in August 1969 was a Dutchess County Sheriff's Deputy assigned to work at Woodstock. A former City of Poughkeepsie police officer and future state trooper, Carlson and his colleagues drove a communications van, Chevrolet wagon and old school bus — for prisoner transport — to one of modern history's most famous gatherings.En route, the communications van broke down and made its entrance to Woodstock being hauled by a wrecker. No Music for You "I didn't see any music," said Carlson, the former director of training for the New York State Police, who now lives in Texas and is vice president of the Center for American and International Law. "I could hear it. Who couldn't?"Ray Neuenhoff in August 1969 was a security guard at Kutsher's Country Club in nearby Monticello.Wearing his security guard uniform and packing the .38 caliber Smith and Wesson revolver he brought to work every day, Neuenhoff drove a truck carrying food in and out of the concert site. His mission was to restock sandwich trucks parked at the corner of West Shore and Hurd roads, near the stage, across the street from where a monument to the concert now stands."That was to make sure that nobody decided to hijack the food," said Neuenhoff, who today is a Bethel Town Constable. "That's what happened to the earlier guys who went. They jumped up on the side of the truck — an old 7-Up truck with old roll-up doors. They took buckets of hot dogs and racks of soda. They were hungry. That's why they stole it. But we drove the trucks out and we didn't have a problem."Though not on quite the same scale as Hendrix, Joplin or Santana, workers like Carlson and Neuenhoff helped shape the legacy of Woodstock, which many agree was the defining moment of the 1960s counterculture movement.That legacy has been celebrated countless ways since Aug. 15, 16 and 17, 1969. But none of those Woodstock celebrations has likely secured as firm a grasp on this American institution's future as Bethel Woods Center for the Arts, a performing arts center that opened July 1 on the site of the 1969 Woodstock festival.Inaugurated with a concert by the New York Philharmonic, Bethel Woods has since hosted pop singer Ashlee Simpson, Woodstock 1969 veteran Phil Lesh of Grateful Dead fame, Brad Paisley and the Goo Goo Dolls. Tonight, two days shy of the 37th anniversary of the start of the 1969 festival, Woodstock alumni Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young return to play music on the land that will be forever known as Yasgur's Farm.CSNY for four decades has maintained a status as Woodstock icons — symbolizing both the actual concert and abstract ideals of peace and love. But the executive director of the not-for-profit foundation that built Bethel Woods said the many people who missed the music while helping to keep Woodstock humming deserve credit along with the rock stars."Of the hundreds of workers and volunteers that participated in the 1969 Woodstock festival, many of their contributions were equally important to the legacy left by the musicians," said Jonathan Drapkin, executive director of the Gerry Foundation. "If it were not for the assistance of these kinds of people, the event's legacy would not have been nearly as strong as it is today."While the thousands who turn out for CSNY tonight will likely be steeped in hazy nostalgia, Neuenhoff recently rattled off nuts-and-bolts details as if the concert was held just last week.On the last day of the concert, he said, traffic had turned a 15-minute drive to the site into a two-hour trip. Making things worse, a second driver to whom he was to hand off an ice cream truck and keys was nowhere to be found. Where There's Smoke ... "That guy who was supposed to take the keys was down in the crowd, enjoying the music," recalled Neuenhoff, 67. "I waited a couple of hours and almost got stoned because of all the smoke in the air ... marijuana smoke. ... You couldn't shut it off."In one instance, Neuenhoff couldn't get his truck down a road because an abandoned car blocked his passage. But it wasn't anything a few hippies couldn't take care of."There was an MG parked in the middle of the road," he said. "Five or six guys picked it up and brought it out in the field. They just picked it up."Interestingly enough, Carlson had a similar experience while escorting an ambulance."Everything had just stopped," said Carlson, 61, who decades ago enrolled at the State University of New York at New Paltz hoping to become a Spanish teacher. He recalls watching Floyd Patterson, the late boxer and his former neighbor on Springtown Road in New Paltz, jog each morning."There was an abandoned vehicle. But without any urging, a group of kids came over, picked up the vehicle and brought it into the meadow. That to me kind of captured the degree of cooperation that I, at least, saw. When you dump that many human beings in one place, a lot of bad things can happen."Added Carlson, an Air Force veteran, "All I was met with was cooperation and camaraderie."The spirit of cooperation at Woodstock remains a vivid memory for Neuenhoff: "... How everybody worked together to help each other, and they didn't know each other. If somebody got hurt, if they stepped on glass, they got picked up and taken to the medical tent."Carlson's memories are not as vivid, particularly concerning his precise assignment at Woodstock."If I said crowd control ... if that was it, it failed miserably," said Carlson. "... To try to help people the best you could, help for emergencies. There was no radio. Nothing functioned. ... Any thought of logistical support, if that had been thought of, disappeared very quickly. There was not a lot of order to the whole thing, I remember that."While stationed at the command post, Carlson said, he just watched "this sea of humanity going back and forth.""I don't think anyone really knew what the game plan was," he said. "It kind of ran itself. ... It was a remarkable event. ... You kind of had to be there."Complete Title: Two Who Were There Recall Spirit of Cooperation at The '69 Festival Source: Poughkeepsie Journal (NY)Author: John W. Barry, Poughkeepsie JournalPublished: Sunday, August 13, 2006 Copyright: 2006 Poughkeepsie Journal Contact: jobarry poughkeepsiejournal.comWebsite: http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/CSNYhttp://www.csny.com/WoodStock 69http://www.woodstock69.com/CannabisNews -- Cannabis Archiveshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/list/cannabis.shtml

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Comment #106 posted by FoM on August 16, 2006 at 10:43:57 PT
Truth
It sure does fit.
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Comment #105 posted by Truth on August 16, 2006 at 10:39:46 PT
this comment...
"This isn't a war of principle - it's about profit, and that isn't a good enough reason to spend American lives." Totally fits "the war on some drugs" too.
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Comment #104 posted by FoM on August 16, 2006 at 09:30:20 PT
Hope
Praire Wind is a CD and then they made the movie called Heart of Gold which features Prairie Wind and some of his other really good acoustic songs from over the years. 
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Comment #103 posted by Hope on August 16, 2006 at 09:22:33 PT
Prarie Wind?
Is that available as a CD, too? Or is it a DVD only? Is it a movie?
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Comment #102 posted by Hope on August 16, 2006 at 09:20:36 PT
Next time I go to town
I've got to attend to getting LWW before I do anything else, and forget it...again.
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Comment #101 posted by Hope on August 16, 2006 at 09:08:21 PT
Gordon Lightfoot
Love him! One of my favorties that I've listened to over and over again is The Pony Man.http://www.lyricstime.com/gordon-lightfoot-the-pony-man-lyrics.html
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Comment #100 posted by FoM on August 16, 2006 at 06:33:50 PT
Whig
That's really good to know. Maybe things will change in Nevada if he wins this fall.
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Comment #99 posted by whig on August 15, 2006 at 23:50:21 PT
FoM
Here's some more OT political news for you:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060816/ap_on_el_se/nevada_primaryJack Carter won the primary in Nevada
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Comment #98 posted by FoM on August 15, 2006 at 22:11:21 PT
Whig
I understand. 
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Comment #97 posted by whig on August 15, 2006 at 21:37:36 PT
FoM
Yes, there are many places that work like that. Nature will provide if not prohibited.
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Comment #96 posted by FoM on August 15, 2006 at 21:07:48 PT
Whig
I understand why you feel that way. I feel that way about where I live. I think it is anywhere where we find contentment. 
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Comment #95 posted by afterburner on August 15, 2006 at 21:02:51 PT
Had Enough #74 & museman
"Everything has a flaw in it somewhere. It’s Natures’ way."‘Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.’
— Frank Zappa [CreatingMinds - quotes and quotations from the wise on all matters creative
http://creatingminds.org/quotes/progress.htm ]
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Comment #94 posted by afterburner on August 15, 2006 at 20:36:00 PT
museman ~#55
I remember musicians giving away their music and their love playing in the Quad in Ann Arbor MI, acoustic guitar and bongos. I remember Yorktown cafes and house parties in Toronto ON with acoustic instruments and some jammin' musicians and I remember electric performances in the intimate cafe settings too. I remember a birthday party of a Toronto friend who rented a small club for the night complete with a variety of instruments, which we were encouraged to play. We had a blast. I played a stand-up African drum for quite a while that night.I missed hearing the Yardbirds performing recently in a dingy tavern in Hamilton ON: I had a rough day and slept through the concert.I also missed hearing Gordon Lightfoot playing acoustic guitar sitting on a picnic table at Mariposa Festival on Toronto Islands years ago. My wife and I had followed the crowd to Bruce Cockburn on a bigger stage. Big mistake: Bruce was good, but we missed the neighborly contact with Gordon. To be fair to us, we didn't know that Gordon was playing his impromptu gig at the time.Hamilton ON has an annual Festival of Friends with scores of lesser known artists in Gage Park. The Big names (like Randy Bachman, Bruce Cockburn, and Juice Newton) get the crowds, but people also have a chance to get "up close and personal" with real musicians in workshops. Multiple venues keep the experience fresh and cozy.
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Comment #93 posted by whig on August 15, 2006 at 20:16:32 PT
FoM
This is a land flowing with milk and honey.
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Comment #92 posted by FoM on August 15, 2006 at 19:57:11 PT
Whig
That is so nice to read. Someday maybe it will be everywhere. 
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Comment #91 posted by whig on August 15, 2006 at 19:52:02 PT
Unlimited Kindness
Visited OCBC today and got my card. Now I can visit places that were off-limits before, and see what they are like. OCBC is like the voluntarily subscribed municipal government of Oaksterdam and the East Bay. I will get a state MMJ card as well once I get my next phone bill.Being a recent immigrant to the Bay Area, from the far interior reaches of deepest Pennsylvania, I'm learning that the world is not a cold, dark place for cannabists. There is no paranoia here, no furtive deals, nothing to harsh your mellow.
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Comment #90 posted by afterburner on August 15, 2006 at 19:43:15 PT
In My Room Lyrics [Forgot the Link...Bad Timing!]
In My Room Lyrics 
http://tinyurl.com/r96xp
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Comment #89 posted by FoM on August 15, 2006 at 19:40:29 PT
afterburner
Yes that's true. My room is the country. 
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Comment #88 posted by afterburner on August 15, 2006 at 19:29:18 PT
FoM/Had Enough/whig/Sinsemilla Jones #12-13+
The Beach Boys knew that place:Artist: Beach Boys Lyrics. 
 Song: In My Room Lyrics{
 There's a world where I can go 
and tell my secrets to 
In my room 
In my room In this world I lock out 
all my worries and my fears 
In my room 
In my room Do my dreaming and my scheming lie awake and pray 
Do my crying and my sighing laugh at yesterday Now it's dark and I'm alone 
but I won't be afraid 
In my room 
In my room 
}
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Comment #87 posted by FoM on August 15, 2006 at 17:32:53 PT
New York Post: Back To Woodstock
By Dan AquilanteAugust 15, 2006 -- BETHEL, N.Y. - While they may be almost as old as stardust, Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young were golden when they got back to the garden to play Bethel Woods, the new upstate arts center built on the hallowed hippie ground of the original Woodstock festival. 
In an interview just before the concert, David Crosby - who resembles an old, jovial walrus - admitted Sunday's gig wasn't just another date on the band's Freedom of Speech tour this summer. "You wanna dismiss it, you wanna poke fun of the whole Woodstock thing, but the truth is, I've been feeling the vibe since I got here. I've gone over to the field twice today just to be there." He added: "Graham, Stephen and Neil said they feel it, too. This is going to be an amazing show because of that vibe. I'm not bragging, and I'm almost afraid to say it out loud, but tonight we just might be as good as we've ever been." That's saying a mouthful: The last time CSN&Y were upstate on Max Yasgur's farm was 37 years ago, and it was the band's debut on a world stage in front of the biggest audience ever assembled for a rock concert to date. At Sunday's show, the band played to a sold-out house, but at 17,000, it was a significantly smaller gathering than the original gig. Still the boys' vocal harmonies - the essence of CSN&Y - were completely intact on the 35-song set. At muddy old Woodstock, Stephen Stills told the huge crowd, "We're scared s - - - less." On Sunday, just before he launched into the band's classic "Carry On," he revealed, "This is our 4,000th show, and we're still scared s - - - less." Nash also joked a warning to the Bethel Woods crowd: "Don't eat the brown acid" - but considering the maturity of the crowd, he should have been advising against antacids. The humor and good-times vibe of the show were tempered by its politics. The band played seven of the nine no-more-war tunes from Young's just-released album, including the fevered rabble-rouser, "Let's Impeach the President." The rest of the set showcased classic CSN&Y protest songs such as "Ohio," "Helplessly Hoping" and "Long Time Gone." Before the show started, as Crosby looked into the empty seats, he reflected: "There's a connection between now and then. How much more like Vietnam could this be? Here we are fighting a war at the end of a 10,000-mile supply line on somebody else's turf, for all the wrong reasons." He added with growing anger, "This isn't a war of principle - it's about profit, and that isn't a good enough reason to spend American lives." In concert, the band made that same point several times, most poignantly with "Find the Cost of Freedom," which was also played at Woodstock in 1969. The tune's cutting message was updated with a video that displayed photos of some of the more than 2,500 American soldiers who have died while stationed in Iraq. Crosby correctly described the piece as "a disturbing song made more disturbing by the pictures." Time hasn't blunted the band's antiwar rage. You heard it clearly in Young's music. Still, it was his "Only Love Can Break Your Heart" that ranked among the evening's best, and his most heartfelt vocal performance. Some of the songs were more than 30 years old, others have been around just a few months, but they all blended nicely. Maybe it was because the political times haven't changed, or maybe it's the band members, who reminded everyone during their performance of "Déjà Vu": "If I had ever been here before, I'd know just what to do."CROSBY, STILLS, NASH & YOUNG
CSN&Y will play the PNC Bank Arts Center Sunday, Jones Beach Aug. 22 and 23, and Madison Square Garden Aug. 27.Copyright: 2006 New York Posthttp://www.nypost.com/entertainment/back_to_woodstock_entertainment_dan_aquilante.htm
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Comment #86 posted by FoM on August 15, 2006 at 13:14:35 PT
museman
This is a very interesting comment. It is by the person who was filmed for the Documentary LWW. He did a video to Families because his father was killed in Vietnam and they put a portion of it in the Documentary.http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/rust/message/167277
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Comment #85 posted by whig on August 15, 2006 at 12:13:11 PT
museman
You're sure right about the calendar system, for more reasons than just the social importance of the change. This is the beginning of a religious transformation, I believe, because as more people understand what is going on we're all going to be sharing the spirit of the returned Christ. When did that start exactly? I don't know but I think in the '60s it began to penetrate the dominant culture. There were aspects of it all the way back, though, it never ever died out completely. That's what I think and it's not as if cannabis hasn't been under continuous cultivation if only in parts of Africa, South America and Asia during and after the Romans conquered Europe.
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Comment #84 posted by museman on August 15, 2006 at 12:06:23 PT
whig
You and I and everybody here at Cnews knows that the cannabis issue is the crux, the defining point of civil liberties, and that is the water that we are trying to get the 'horse' to drink.I have often argued with folks about this; all the issues; abortion, gay rights, WOD, environmental, and political, all center around this one thing; The right to do with our own bodies whatever we please, as long as it is only ourselves that we are doing it to, and not someone else. The morality of peoples actions is between them and God, unless they have violated someone elses sovereign space.Marijuana, and it's legality is directly linked to all of these things. In that knowledge, the legalization of the herb, would be a victory of such historical import they'd have to change the dates to reflect it. Like A.L. -After Legaization, or A. F. D. -After Freedom Day.
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Comment #83 posted by FoM on August 15, 2006 at 11:43:41 PT
Personality
I agree whig. I often call it a spirit.
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Comment #82 posted by whig on August 15, 2006 at 11:42:51 PT
museman
By the way, we're counting on Cannabis being more powerful than the Nazis right here in America.
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Comment #81 posted by whig on August 15, 2006 at 11:41:09 PT
museman
"If the Nazis smoked pot, do you think the pot or the meth would win out?"It's an interesting what-if question, to which I don't know the answer. There are obviously people who smoke pot and use other drugs too, and we can try to guess what it does to them but we can only really know how it affects ourselves.What I can say, empirically, is that looking at the places where cannabis is quasi-legal, highly available and actually used by a substantial proportion of the people who are there -- they are places of peace. The strongest antiwar sentiments come from Arcata in Humboldt county, California. Berkeley comes in a close second. There is no warlike culture in those places.Places of heavy alcohol use have a different personality, and places of heavy cocaine use another. Every city and every culture has its principle drug of choice. The one which is most dominant defines a place to some degree,Just because cannabis is available or even legal does not mean it will automatically be more popular than alcohol or coke. But it will presumably become more a popular alternative than it is now. I could very well see Nevada outlawing it in the big casino places like Las Vegas and Reno, while allowing it in the other counties. That's the law on prostitution in Nevada as it is.
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Comment #80 posted by FoM on August 15, 2006 at 11:38:42 PT
museman
Now I am grinning for ear to ear. We have the DVD and it is wonderful. At the first concert I saw Neil someone yelled out at him you're nothing but a Yuppie. He took a second and said back at the angry person. Yup and maybe someday when you grow up you will be a Yuppie too. It got all kinds of applause. Someone yelled F You and he said F You back and then he said that wasn't fair of me. I have the bully pulpit. He is powerful, intelligent and thoughtful. I also read when he gets into music Pegi leaves him alone and nothing else gets done until he is done. Neil said he can't make it happen it just does.
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Comment #79 posted by museman on August 15, 2006 at 11:32:15 PT
FoM
Yes. I was looking for a movie and it jumped out at me. We all enjoyed it tremendously, even spent another hour going through most of the features as well.We are kin, he and I. For many many years I have dreamed of playing with Neil, because I identify with his style of songwriting, and guitar playing. He has influenced my own work as much as anybody.He just comes through so REAL in those interviews, no pretense there, just a healthy respect for the muse...he said it himself,"The music is easily scared."Only a musician would understand that. We believe in that muse, even though most of us (including Neil) put God first.I was put on some very introspective thoughts when his guitar was introduced, and he sang 'This Old Guitar.' You see I lost my guitar many years ago - a story that is told in the annals of the Rainbow, and never have found a comparable replacement since. Each guitar (instrument)does have the spirit of those who have played it somehow indwelled in it. I was very choosy about who got to play it for that very reason. I found that if I let some joker mess with it, it would take me hours to get the energy back to where I wanted it. Anyway the song made me personally sad, but also hopeful that another guitar as tuned to me as that one was, may still be floating around somewhere.
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Comment #78 posted by FoM on August 15, 2006 at 11:16:38 PT
museman
Now you made me smile. Did your rent the DVD?
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Comment #77 posted by museman on August 15, 2006 at 10:55:25 PT
Had_Enough
You were right.And last night I rented Prairie Wind.I cried and cried. I am just so full of it these daysDid I say Neil was Da Man?I'll say it again;Neil IS DA MAN!
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Comment #76 posted by museman on August 15, 2006 at 10:51:24 PT
whig
"Btw, if Nevada legalizes cannabis, will you still think Vegas is hell?"I flipped in and saw this right before I went to bed, decided to answer today....I thought about it all night long.I came up with a few flippant answers -which were good, but though short and sweet, too potentially insulting too somebody, so...If Nevada legalized herb, it would be a much more pleasant drive when I have to go through.However, the legalization of herb would not change the nature or the waste, or the sliminess of Vegas. It might eventually have a positive effect on the whole thing, but (shhh!) once the people start smoking, they'll probably stop gambling. The prostitutes would probably get a lot more business so invest in whorehouses.If the Nazis smoked pot, do you think the pot or the meth would win out?My neighbors smoke pot -to tone down their teeth-rotting speed trips. I've seen drunks smoke pot and stay drunk.Yes the herb is a wonderful thing. It can heal, it can lead you to enlightning realizations, but if the mind that uses it hasn't a clue, the herb is not going to give it to them.Vegas IS Hell, it's just that everybody who enjoys it hasn't paid their dues just yet.
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Comment #75 posted by FoM on August 15, 2006 at 09:42:03 PT
Had Enough
I know what you mean. Have a good day at the Daily Grind!
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Comment #74 posted by Had Enough on August 15, 2006 at 09:30:30 PT
FoM: Perfection
Everything has a flaw in it somewhere. It’s Natures’ way. No two identical snowflakes. Look at the trees, flowers, and animals. Look closely at the grain that runs through pieces of wood, it never runs perfectly strait, and you will not find two trees with identical grain, some similar, but not perfect.  The different species all look similar but there is something different about each individual one of them. Two plants of the same breed, but still you can see a difference between them. Two squirrels that look the same, closer you will see different markings on them.I once read somewhere that the front grille on a Rolls Royce had flaws in it. The bars that run up and down have different spacing to give the appearance of it being strait, but if you measured them you find they are different. I have never measured one to see if this is true or not, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it was.Music does that too!!! If you listen real close you can hear Neil’s guitar slightly out of tune at times, maybe a 16th of a step, if that, but you can hear him adjust his fingers to correct it, that is a pro.  This will change from show to show; no two shows will be identical. Not perfect, but perfect, if you know what I mean. :)Off to the daily grind…..
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Comment #73 posted by FoM on August 15, 2006 at 08:02:29 PT
Had Enough
I agree. 
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Comment #72 posted by Had Enough on August 15, 2006 at 08:00:54 PT
FoM #70
“It's isn't a pretty, polished album”That is what helps to make it perfect.
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Comment #71 posted by FoM on August 15, 2006 at 07:19:08 PT
One More Thing
My husband just came in from outside and I asked him how it is going and he said good we are getting really stoned. I laughed. They are stoning our chimney today. I also found out that the one contractors mother is very active with the Democratic Party and I am hoping to meet her soon.
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Comment #70 posted by FoM on August 15, 2006 at 07:15:56 PT
Had Enough
What a great comment to museman. I just posted this article. LWW has made me feel like I am not alone if that makes sense. It's isn't a pretty, polished album like Prairie Wind but the message is perfect to me.Three Days of Peace and Music New York -- They came on foot, hitching rides from as far away as Miami and then hiking through the rolling countryside. They came by bus. They came by car. And they all converged on a dairy farm in Bethel, New York. They kept coming even after the highways were clogged with traffic, after the alfalfa field was crammed with people shoulder to shoulder. Half a million people gathered on August 15, 1969, for what would become the most famous rock concert ever, Woodstock. http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread22069.shtml
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Comment #69 posted by Had Enough on August 15, 2006 at 07:04:25 PT
Museman #61
The Neil Young thing. You are welcome. This music needs to be heard by as many as possible.FoM kept talking and going on about LWW, for a couple of weeks after it was released.  There were links she provided to hear some of it, but I couldn’t get a good connection to them, they were all choppy and distorted. Then one early morning, MSMBC was on in the background, with Don Imus interviewing Rick Santorum over the telephone. I caught the very tail end of it. As they were ending the interview, going to a commercial, Imus asked Rick if he liked Neil Young. He hesitantly responded, “Uh Yeah I like Neil Young”. Imus said, “then listen to this”. Then the first 3 lines of “Looking for a Leader” was played as they went off to the commercial. That is what did it. I stopped what I was doing, and thought wow listen to that, just 3 lines. Shortly thereafter I had a copy in my hand, and everybody around me has heard it many times. The first album I've purchased for myself in about 20 yrs.I saw a NEED for you to be able to hear the tunes. So I guess Rick Santorum should get a little credit here too. :) And Rick, you will be forgiven, for you know not what you do. Or do you?
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Comment #68 posted by whig on August 14, 2006 at 21:40:36 PT
museman
Sorry for correcting you before, really. I don't know why I do that but it's something I'm trying to stop doing.You can make spelling errors and not worry and so can I. Sometimes I'm thinking about how writing comments on a board like this is publishing thoughts for the world to read, but sometimes it's just a not-very-private conversation between two friends, and it's enough to communicate without needing any formality between us.Btw, if Nevada legalizes cannabis, will you still think Vegas is hell?
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Comment #67 posted by Truth on August 14, 2006 at 17:55:59 PT
Beatles
The Fab Four provides the soundtrack for LOVE. The sound system is as crisp as it comes. The songs are great and the recordings are top notch. All Beatle performances and nothing else. I think they pulled some recordings from the archieves that the public hasn't heard yet. With some strategic projections at times it's like the Beatles are there with you. Laughing, joking and singing.I agree that Vegas has a dark side. There's lot's of money there and where one finds lots of money they will find matching heaps of greed. The current failed drug war shows us how greed leads to dark actions.Vegas also has some of the finest dining around. Since neither my wife or I drink we manage to stay out of trouble and keep a sane head about us in the land of sun and sin.
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Comment #66 posted by museman on August 14, 2006 at 16:59:40 PT
The Beatles and...
"The real deal or forget it. If I want Beatles, I know where to find 'em." OK.I play Beatles songs in my repertoire. A lot of bands and musicians do. They're kind of a 'generational sing-along' at this point. I just felt like making that slight correction...later all.
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Comment #65 posted by museman on August 14, 2006 at 16:36:59 PT
whig
yes I know...I spelled 'bonifide' wrong again!
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Comment #64 posted by museman on August 14, 2006 at 16:34:30 PT
Max - sorta OT
That made me think of a story, circa 1968 when Sgt. Peppers got my attention.I didn't have many records. (remember them?) Couldn't afford too many. So the ones that I did buy were very special, like Soft Parade, Surrealistic Pillow.When I went to buy my first Beatles album, I misread the title, which was "The London Symphony Orchestra Plays 'The Songs OF The Beatles'" which in my haste (another side story) I had thought to mean "The Beatles with The London Symphony" The checker pointed out the discrepancy by commenting on my 'cultured' choice.  What? It's a Beatles album isn't it?Nope, just an elaborate pretense which almost got bought by me. I quickly exchanged for a refund (they actually had no Beatles records,and 'didn't carry' them at that store.)I didn't get an bonified Beatles record until Yellow Submarine, about a year later.The real deal or forget it. If I want Beatles, I know where to find 'em. Nothing like them ever, and they stopped performing in about '65-'66. I saw a commercial the other day...Al You Need Is Love played by union studio musicians with that just right touch of blecchhh!
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Comment #63 posted by FoM on August 14, 2006 at 16:19:09 PT
museman
I agree with you 100%!
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Comment #62 posted by Max Flowers on August 14, 2006 at 16:18:16 PT
Question about the Love Show
When they say the show is set to " the music of the Beatles," do they mean the actual Beatles recordings, or do they mean other musicians, like live Vegas players, are doing the Beatles songs? Because if it's other folks doing Beatles songs, I'm afraid I'm really not interested, no matter how slick they are. For some reason, hearing other people do Beatles material is annoying to me and always has been. It's kind of like some form of sacrilege (unless it's me singing it, then it's okay, ha ha... and I guess it was sort of okay when Elton John did a cover of Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds, but still strange). It's kind of like if Andy Warhol had said "Hey, do you want to see me paint a version of the Mona Lisa?" It's like, "Uh, no... I don't!"
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Comment #61 posted by museman on August 14, 2006 at 16:14:57 PT
FoM
Neils da man!I really enjoyed the LWW that our bro had enough was kind and generous enough to supply me with. I was a huge fan of Crazy Horse too- such as my 'fanship' went which is admittedly not too far. Neils choice to not institutionalize is in itself a powerful statement. His ability to integrate with Ben in an active and meaningful way, is admirable and perhaps even a profound demonstration of what might be meant by the words;"You will know them by their fruits."
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Comment #60 posted by FoM on August 14, 2006 at 15:58:47 PT
museman
I think that one of the most remarkable things about Neil is how he takes Ben with him on the road. Love of a child endears me to him and his wife more then about anything else he does. Two children with CP had to have been an unbelievable shock and very painful but they made lemonade out of a lemon with the Bridge School. I wonder why that happened to him. Neil said that Ben is his spiritual advisor. He said once in an interview that when Neil is upset Ben gets upset and Neil realizes what he is upset about isn't worth it. Then Ben is fine. Kinda awesome to me.
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Comment #59 posted by museman on August 14, 2006 at 15:50:06 PT
FoM
Even with all my regrets, I am glad that these guys who were my main supply of material for many years long ago, have gotten the chance to do it again with authority and power. It is good that another generation gets to experience a spirit which the media has totally failed to re-create or even adequately document.
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Comment #58 posted by museman on August 14, 2006 at 15:45:11 PT
toke
Thanks for pointing out that I didn't mean to insult. I did post earlier that I was a bit of a dog today. A little bark, a larger woof! and a slight undertone of Grrrr!
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Comment #57 posted by FoM on August 14, 2006 at 15:28:19 PT
A Nice Review Of CSNY at Woodstock 
I really appreciated this part.Made our way in around 5:40 --- walked down to where the buses were and got a glimpse of Crosby, Stills, Elliott Roberts, Ben Keith and lots of guests--David's son Django was zooming thru the lot with a scooter and Neil's family was all there -- a touching moment was when Neil's son Ben was with a group of friends and family that wanted to go see the monument which was quite a haul from where the buses were --- this distance and the fact that there was no wheelchair accessible paths did not deter them as they transferred Ben to a golf cart with friends on either side and off they went!! I happened to see them when they came back and the group was all smiles!http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/rust/message/167233
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Comment #56 posted by Toker00 on August 14, 2006 at 14:41:46 PT
And another thing...
Hi museman. You are in true form today. I agree with all you just said. My head has been full of what needs to be turned away from, and what needs to be kept. Museman, I lived in vegas in '75 and what you say is true. It is INDEED sin city. This is no insult to Truth, by the way, sharing your love for the Moody Blues is not wrong. But I'm afraid what museman says about 'Vegas is all so true. I was a bad boy when I lived there, and I am feeling no pride in telling this. A brother (not blood) of mine and I made the rounds at all the Casinos and the back alleys, too. "You boys wanta party?" was quite common...where we played. Dealers not working in casinos hustled the crowd on the street, on the side. I watched so many people get taken, and yep, I got it too. From a Dealer. It took a while to get my money back, and without a strong fearless friend like I had, it would have been impossible. Any lust satisfied on a whim. If you have money in Vegas, you have no problems. If you have NO money in Vegas, you best get going...I don't want to say any more than that, because it's only bringing back memories of the bad, and only that to vilify what museman has so strongly stated. Hell and Vegas have much in common. And when you've been through both...Wage peace on war. END CANNABIS PROHIBITION NOW!
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Comment #55 posted by museman on August 14, 2006 at 12:29:01 PT
 it just seems to me
that there is an underlying problem in belief systems, misplaced faiths, and erroneous assumptions that lends credence to such incredibly laviscious waste and wastefulness that goes into such a place as Vegas, and any artist that feels Vegas is the place for them, can only have their priorities in the 'proper' place of making money -that's what Vegas is ALL ABOUT - MONEY!If there is one thing I have learned as a performer, it's that audiences are essentially easy to please, as long as you do your best.I've been involved in the lights, the costumes, and the makeup. I walked off the stage at the Colorado State Fair one year just because the whole thing was just too damn pretentious for me - that was the last time I wore stage makeup.In the eyes of the world there is nothing wrong with 'succeeding at any cost.' And success is definitely measured by carefully controlled standards, which an un-knowing public literally 'buys'into.Well the 'eyes of the world' are stuffed full of shit, and no matter how much paint or colored lights you put on it, I CAN STILL SMELL IT!At the risk of really being offensive, I have to add that what remains of the 'Grateful Dead' are not in my list of favorites, even though when Gerry was alive he was one of my favorite guitar players. As far as I am concerned they are all after the spotlight, the fame, and fortune, and they have nothing new to contribute. They are the epitomy of has-beens.I know that there are many faithful old deadheads out there who might disagree, but I am willing to bet most of them aren't skilled or talented musicians.The attitudes that support such things, are the root of the problems that have given us marijuana prohibition, a veritable police-state, and the WAR. Until people can see that if you support one aspect like paying rich people to be entertained, you are supporting the entire rotten system, there will be lots of words, a token change in political puppets, but no actual progress towards sanity and peace at all.If It's OK to allow Las Vegas the lattitude to burn so much energy, cause so much un-necessary pollution and waste, all for the sake of a light show for the fortunately endowed (or the classes that want to make believe in their status), then it's just as OK to allow all the other waste. If it's ok to have a nuclear reactor just so some businessman from Iowa can throw away his vacation money, then by god enjoy your global warming.
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Comment #54 posted by Truth on August 14, 2006 at 12:13:53 PT
Mickey Hart
http://www.mickeyhart.net/Pages/news.html
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Comment #53 posted by Truth on August 14, 2006 at 12:01:16 PT
LOVE
LOVE was all about the venue. The venue was built for the show. It couldn't travel. It's in the showroom that Zigfiel and Roy used to preform at before that tiger got hungry. They rebuilt the showroom in the round. Everyone gets great seats.  The articulated stage and all the airial circus rigging were totally state of the art. Lots of movement everywhere. The props and the performers left the whole audiance with there jaws on the ground.
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Comment #52 posted by Truth on August 14, 2006 at 11:54:46 PT
Vegoose
And of course there is this:http://www.vegoose.com/2006/I can guarantee this part of the line up will be music from the future."The Rhythm Devils feat. Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzman, Mike Gordon & Steve Kimock"
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Comment #51 posted by museman on August 14, 2006 at 11:54:19 PT
Vegas
OK, I'm a barking dog today.On that note, if the Moody Blues were playing in hell, and I had a first class ticket, I would just have to forego it.Vegas - Hell. No amount of anything is going to change my opinion of that one, but if 'LOVE' comes to the Medford Ball Park I might go. Fat chance of that right? 
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Comment #50 posted by Truth on August 14, 2006 at 11:36:59 PT

Museman
I've seen The Moody Blues several times, they're one of my favorites. I really enjoy their music but of all their shows I've seen none have moved me the way LOVE did. Paul and Ringo attended the opening night and have nothing but rave reveiws. Everybody that sees it loves it. Don't discredit it because it airs in Las Vegas. Las Vegas has hosted some wonderful music over the years. Certainly the dozen Dead shows I've seen there were just as fun as any anywhere were. Even if it's just people watching that amuses one Vegas can be a very entertaining place.
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Comment #49 posted by FoM on August 14, 2006 at 11:36:39 PT

museman
I also love the Moody Blues. I have almost every CD of theirs. I wouldn't be able to go to see CSNY unless I was able to buy the lawn seats. They weren't very much compared to the upfront tickets. There is a problem with CSNY that even years ago wouldn't have been an issue. Crosby had a Liver Transplant and Neil a Brain problem. I think they know they are performing on borrowed time. I don't mean they are ready to die but they might not be able to tour much longer and this way many people will get to see them and for the four of them I'm sure it will be the last time.
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Comment #48 posted by museman on August 14, 2006 at 11:26:18 PT

music again
There is no disparagement of CSN,orY, or some few others who have held truth in higher esteem than material success.But here's an example of what I'm addressing;Several years ago in 1993 I believe, the Moody Blues came to Southern Oregon. They performed in a baseball field. They only drew a crowd of about 4,000, because there was no more room and they sold out.It was the only chance I would have ever had of seeing them, and it only cost me $20 a ticket. I will never forget that concert, it was the only one in about 30 years of playing music, that allowed me to be an audience, and not get stuck in the 'critical musician' mode.But what I admired the most was the Moody Blues 'getting down' to our little rural unheard of neck of the woods, sacrificing big dollar to bring the music to the people. I bet every small, concert they did (more than the CSNY tour) was filled. They could have gone the mega-concert route, and probably gotten enough money to set up their grandkids grandkids from that one tour, but they didn't. I know of thousands of people who are also glad they did.It's not something they needed to do, and I can imagine their management team throwing a big fit over it, but in my eternal internal radio station they will always have a place to be heard and play.This is an example of what I am talking about - putting the music where all the people -not just the middle-class "success" stories- can get the benefit of it. Screw Vegas and the glitz, worshippers of Babylon, Vegas; the place where all one-hit wonders, or washed up has-beens can go to pretend to be somebody, and where sin is OK, and taxed. "What's done in Vegas stays in Vegas." THANK GOD!!!
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Comment #47 posted by FoM on August 14, 2006 at 11:18:32 PT

Truth
That really sounds interesting. I've never been to Vegas. It's so far away.
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Comment #46 posted by Truth on August 14, 2006 at 10:47:36 PT

Music
While we're on the subject of music and Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds I want to recommend the new show at the Mirage in Vegas. LOVE, the new show in the rebuilt showroom at the Mirage is a Cirque show put to Beatles music.  It is absolutely fabulous. I can't wait to see it again. Experiencing the show is like doing acid without having to do acid. Wait till you see the Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds.http://www.cirquedusoleil.com/CirqueDuSoleil/en/showstickets/love/tickets/default.htm
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Comment #45 posted by FoM on August 14, 2006 at 08:21:09 PT

Related Article: Gathering of Good Vibes 
By Ramsey Al-Rikabi, Times Herald-RecordAugust 14, 2006 Bethel - There is a simple human behavior, celebrated worldwide but practiced at near mystical levels here: Hang out with lots of people, listen to music, and set yourself up with a real good buzz."Here" is the hallowed ground of 1969, and here the reverberations of Woodstock are still felt and heard and, most importantly, sought out.So it was a big deal that Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young played here last night, their first time back at the original site, on what they call their "Freedom of Speech '06" tour.The irony of the First Amendment reference wasn't lost on folks who camped out all weekend in fields around a nearby bar called Hector's Inn, where the question was: What about the right to assemble? The Woodstock reunion they had planned on, at Yasgur's Farm, got shut down this year by town ordinances and court injunctions that the hosts, Roy Howard and Jerryl Abramson, swear they will fight.But assemble they did. They had the tents and tarps, bottles and bags of ice, guitars and blankets and bonfires, all of it on its last leg yesterday.Their tanned skin said it was a sunny weekend. They spoke of community and music, of everyone taking care of each other."It's like your regular family reunion," said Elmer Earls, who's been coming up from Tennessee for the anniversaries since 1994.There was talk in the afternoon of moving to the parking lot of the Bethel Woods Center for the Arts, the new multimillion dollar performing arts center built by a millionaire named Allen Gerry. Many said they were going, but few had tickets to CSNY.And there, too, less than a mile down Route 17B, the spirit caught fire again. There, cars lined up for miles, flagged in by a small army of bright-vested parking attendants who filled every spot with stunning efficiency.Out came the lawn chairs, just like the ones the campers had. And the food: the sandwiches, the mozzarella and tomatoes with balsamic vinegar, the shrimp, the sushi. There was a cheese board and white wine in wine glasses. There were the people, the music, the buzz.Barbara Spagnuolo, 54, of Harriman, saw CSNY at the first Woodstock and hasn't been back here since. She wore khaki pants and a black shirt and sat with friends in the grass before the show, eating melon balls and corn chips."This is what a hippie looks like now," her friend said.Copyright: 2006 Orange County Publicationshttp://www.recordonline.com/archive/2006/08/14/news-ralwoodstock-08-14.html
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Comment #44 posted by FoM on August 13, 2006 at 15:15:05 PT

Just For Fun
http://www.therightfoot.net/mystuff/whatever/swf/bubblewrap.swf
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Comment #43 posted by FoM on August 13, 2006 at 15:12:07 PT

Whig
do do do do do do! LOL!
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Comment #42 posted by whig on August 13, 2006 at 15:10:07 PT

FoM
Borrowed your wavelength for a bit, I guess.
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Comment #41 posted by FoM on August 13, 2006 at 15:06:56 PT

whig
What did you go and do read my mind? I agree.
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Comment #40 posted by whig on August 13, 2006 at 14:56:25 PT

FoM
You know, you're right. I hadn't really noticed, but the mostly bald head and the neatly cropped Nazi moustache are quite notable.
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Comment #39 posted by FoM on August 13, 2006 at 14:34:33 PT

One More Thing
I have listened to three different recordings of the CSNY Freedom of Speech Tour and I want to mention that I don't believe this tour could possibly be more successful without Crosby, Stills and Nash. The four of them made beautiful music together years ago and also right now. 
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Comment #38 posted by FoM on August 13, 2006 at 14:18:22 PT

Whig
That man is one scary looking person.
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Comment #37 posted by whig on August 13, 2006 at 14:17:06 PT

OT: Chertoff Says U.S. Needs More Authority
http://tinyurl.com/kvj4pWASHINGTON - The nation's chief of homeland security said Sunday that the U.S. should consider reviewing its laws to allow for more electronic surveillance and detention of possible terror suspects, citing last week's foiled plot.
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Comment #36 posted by FoM on August 13, 2006 at 14:08:55 PT

Museman
I believe musicians like you touch people's lives and maybe the money isn't there which would help but you have quite a fan club from all over the USA here on CNews. I have told everyone about you that I know. Many musicians get rich like Britanny Spears who supports Bush. Will she be remembered when her looks start to fade? She will be forgotten very quickly in my opinion. People like Neil will be remembered long after he is gone. Neil hasn't sold his work for profit in commercials or he'd be a lot richer then he is. We all are so lucky we have had him in the world for as long as he has been here.
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Comment #35 posted by Had Enough on August 13, 2006 at 13:58:58 PT

The museman
museman will have a good performance tonight. Paid or not. He will make it good. Played many free gigs ourselves, but enjoyed entertaining the crowd just the same. No other feeling like it.I know museman feels the same. He is a musician, poet, songwriter, and entertainer, and a good one at that. I’ve downloaded some of his tunes. They get played pretty often around here.But getting paid for what you do sure does help.

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Comment #34 posted by FoM on August 13, 2006 at 13:51:59 PT

Museman
When Neil was able to buy his farm after the success of Heart of Gold he called himself a rich hippie. The caretaker asked him how a young fella like him could afford a place like this and he looked at him and said that he was just lucky. Even when Neil could have laid it on thick he took a simple and honest answer. My brother in law became very wealthy. He started out the son of a immigrant Italian tailor. He worked in a department store as a teen because he couldn't afford college. A man came into buy a suit and he waited on him. He was so impressed with his presentation he hired him. He became a co owner of that company in a few years. I asked him how did it happen. He too said I was at the right place at the right time. That's all. The only way for 100s of thousands of people to see CSNY is to do it the way you must now. Insurance alone would be monumental to cover and as an individual or group it would be cost prohibitive. Sadly that's how it is now.
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Comment #33 posted by Had Enough on August 13, 2006 at 13:48:23 PT

Jefferson Airplane
Jefferson Airplane's debut show was on August 13, 1965 at the Matrix nightclub in San Francisco. The first performance featured Marty Balin on vocals, Paul Kantner on vocals/rhythm guitar, and Jorma Kaukonen on lead guitar. Signe Anderson, (who sang on Jefferson Airplane's first recording "Jefferson Airplane Takes Off') also performed. The bass player, Jack Casady and drummer Skip Spence, (who was later one of the original members of Moby Grape) joined the band two months later. Spencer Dryden became the drummer in June of 1966 and Grace Slick joined as vocalist in October of 1966. The band performed the first concert for Bill Graham at the legendary Fillmore Auditorium in San Francisco in February of 1966.Jefferson Airplane performed at the Berkeley Folk Festival, Monterey Jazz Festival, Monterey Pop Festival, Woodstock, and Altamont. They had hit singles White Rabbit and Somebody to Love, from the album "Surrealistic Pillow".and…http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Jefferson-Airplane-Biography/5C3EAC3ED993099348256BF400080C51
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Comment #32 posted by Had Enough on August 13, 2006 at 13:44:35 PT

Go ask Alice, I think she'll know
White Rabbit:Jefferson Airplane: ********One pill makes you largerAnd one pill makes you smallAnd the ones that mother gives youDon't do anything at allGo ask AliceWhen she's ten feet tallAnd if you go chasing rabbitsAnd you know you're going to fallTell'em a hookah smoking caterpillarHas given you the callCall AliceWhen she was just smallWhen men on the chessboardget up and tell you where to goAnd you've just had some kind of mushroomAnd your mind is moving lowGo ask AliceI think she'll knowWhen logic and proportionHave fallen softly deadAnd the White Knight is talking backwardsAnd the Red Queen's off her headRemember what the Dormouse said.Feed your Head, feed your Head!http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/White-Rabbit-lyrics-Jefferson-Airplane/7109AE560A05F54748256BF40008120A

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Comment #31 posted by museman on August 13, 2006 at 13:34:42 PT

music
Oh how I wish I could have gone to CSNY when they were in Portland, but kids meals come first.I am torn, between my love of the spirit and music that those guys represent, and embody, and my hatred for the corporate conditions that are put on their concerts- the price of admission, and the tendancy to focus exclusively on mega-type concerts in major metropolitan areas.As an impoverished songwriter who never, no not even once, compromised the integrity of my spiritual mandate, in order to 'get a gig' or make money at it, I find it hard to not have a bit of an attitude. The fact that some of us can struggle, slave at ridiculously low wages, work at health-destroying jobs, and spend lots of time at it - without even a bit of a chance to PLAY FOR FREE - because of the capitalistic religion that everyone seems to have to belong to in order to succeed, tends to support such an attitude.Yes it is true, the music of CSNY -for example- or at least the sentiment, and concepts/ideas prevalent in their music, need to be heard and thought about. They are not the problem that bothers me.What bothers me, is that people will support the mega-money machine by going to these concerts, while a multitude of talents, songs, musicians, and just as valid ideas are being ignored because they have no endorsement of capitalistic acceptabilty - in other words they are being shut out by the "top-forty" of the industry, both now and then.People have become so lazy they allow the media and it's hollywood-prefect images to dictate the intrinsic vlaues of this country, and a lot of the world. Without the money being involved, nothing has any credibility, and if you're image is even the slightest bit off the standards, you're talent may never even get to be known or shared.As you all have stated in this thread, music is a powerful tool for enlightenment, healing, and for creating an enjoyable atmosphere. It should be everywhere; in public parks, back yards, down by the river, and wherever people go to gather. When an entire nation believes that the price of a thing, and the 'product endorsement' is the only criteria for acceptability, we have a shitload of waste, a large percentage of talented people whose talents are basicly thrown over for what is handed to them through the media and the music industry as 'professional' or within acceptable parameters of mediocrity.Look on Neils page for folks to post their music, there is over 300 acts represented there, and those are just anti-war songs. Did any of them get to go to woodstock and play?
Sure a lot of them might not be as widely popular (for reasons that I stated above) but they are popular to somebody! Somebody likes them. I have a few fans myself, but because of money, and money alone, I cannot put my stuff in an acceptable 'professional' format. Even though I have labored to learn technique beyond my artistry in the form of recording and sound engineering, spent nearly ten years at it, it is still not comparable to those who've had the benefit of multi-million dollar studio productions. However, from witnessing the failure of many modern artists to reproduce the quality of the studio recording in their live performances, I feel quite good when folks tell me that my 'live performance' is 'so much better' than the recording.I could go on and on...this subject has been a priority for me for a long time, but I have to go play some acoustic for a local farmers market -for free - because I have very little other choices in venue, all the 'big boys' got them wrapped up.
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Comment #30 posted by FoM on August 13, 2006 at 13:16:28 PT

Had Enough
I get that too. What is right really anyway? What purpose doesn't being right serve? I don't know.
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Comment #29 posted by Had Enough on August 13, 2006 at 12:42:34 PT

To be or not
“I really believe you are right.”Thanks but:I'm not in this world to be right, I'm here just to only be.

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Comment #28 posted by Sinsemilla Jones on August 13, 2006 at 12:42:16 PT

That Place
There's a placeWhere I can goWhen I feel lowWhen I feel blueAnd it's my mindAnd there's no timeWhen I'm alone-John Lennonfrom There's A Place
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Comment #27 posted by FoM on August 13, 2006 at 12:36:12 PT

Had Enough
I really believe you are right.
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Comment #26 posted by Had Enough on August 13, 2006 at 12:23:56 PT

The Thing is ...
“But this too will sound like sheer madness to the people who disbelieve.”It is not a thing about believing or not, it is about being there. I've found people of all color, size and creed in that place, there are no boundries, except the ones you creat for yourself. You either get there or you don’t. There is nothing that can be done for those that will never get there. However we can help others that are looking for it. But first you must experience it.

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Comment #25 posted by FoM on August 13, 2006 at 12:14:50 PT

Had Enough
Thank you. I only wish I had discovered this before a few years ago when I first saw Greendale. It makes me wonder how I would have approached life differently if I had. We worked a big concert on a medical team back in the 70s which was great but I couldn't get into the music because I was working.
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Comment #24 posted by Had Enough on August 13, 2006 at 12:10:03 PT

Reflections
“It's almost a prayerful place in a way.”That place is a reflection of your spirit. And that comes from the “Great Spirit”.You have found it. You will return many times.

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Comment #23 posted by FoM on August 13, 2006 at 12:08:07 PT

Whig
Wasn't music used to soothe kings back in the early recorded times of history?
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Comment #22 posted by whig on August 13, 2006 at 12:05:28 PT

FoM/Had Enough
That place you are speaking of, I find my head will move with the music in the most patterned of ways, and sometimes others around me are unconscious it seems if I open my eyes to look. But there are certainly others who find it too.Meaningfulness is there, in the music. It is interpretable when you are in the right frame. When you are listening and it is good. But this too will sound like sheer madness to the people who disbelieve. When the blind are the majority, it is madness to see a rainbow with your own eyes. 
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Comment #21 posted by FoM on August 13, 2006 at 12:00:32 PT

Rubber Room
You could say that! Too much! LOL!
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Comment #20 posted by Had Enough on August 13, 2006 at 11:57:14 PT

Who Knows What???
I know what you mean. Some will never find that place. Others will find that place and it will scare them. Those that know that place, embrace it.Some people you talk to like this might think you are nuts and need a rubber room for residence. But those that know, know better. Don’t we.

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Comment #19 posted by FoM on August 13, 2006 at 11:51:06 PT

Had Enough
It's almost a prayerful place in a way.
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Comment #18 posted by FoM on August 13, 2006 at 11:48:29 PT

Had Enough 
I'm glad I am not alone in finding that place. I appreciate talking about things like this here on CNews because I don't have anyone other then my husband who would understand what I am trying to say. 
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Comment #17 posted by Had Enough on August 13, 2006 at 11:45:21 PT

Places
“A place where no one can hurt me.Nobody can harm you in that place, forces of our universe from the “Great Spirit” allows us to provide protection in there. I'm happy you can see and understand.

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Comment #16 posted by FoM on August 13, 2006 at 11:43:54 PT

Had Enough
It's been a long time since I've heard Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds. I have to dig out the CD and listen to it again. Those were the best songs and albums the Beatles ever made in my opinion.
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Comment #15 posted by Had Enough on August 13, 2006 at 11:39:38 PT

Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds
Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds****Picture yourself in a boat on a river,With tangerine trees and marmalade skiesSomebody calls you, you answer quite slowly,A girl with kaleidoscope eyesCellophane flowers of yellow and green,Towering over your head.Look for the girl with the sun in her eyes,And she's gone.Lucy in the sky with diamonds.Follow her down to a bridge by a fountainWhere rocking horse people eat marshmellow pies,Everyone smiles as you drift past the flowers,That grow so incredibly high.Newspaper taxis appear on the shore,Waiting to take you away.Climb in the back with your head in the clouds,And you're gone.Lucy in the sky with diamonds,Picture yourself on a train in a station,With plasticine porters with looking glass ties,Suddenly someone is there at the turnstyle,The girl with the kaleidoscope eyes.http://www.lyricsfreak.com/b/beatles/lucy+in+the+sky+with+diamonds_10026681.html

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Comment #14 posted by FoM on August 13, 2006 at 11:34:25 PT

Had Enough
It's a place where there isn't any pain. There isn't any worry. There is an air of total freedom. A place where no one can hurt me. It's a very special place and you're right you will never forget it.
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Comment #13 posted by Had Enough on August 13, 2006 at 11:30:59 PT

“That Place”
I understand. Once you finally reach a place, you remember it. The more times you get there the easier it is to return, and the more you will go. “That Place” that’s it.

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Comment #12 posted by FoM on August 13, 2006 at 11:23:10 PT

Had Enough
It really was strange because I was sort of holding my head when the song started because it hurt and then I went into that world that happens usually only at a live concert for me and it was gone. 
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Comment #11 posted by Had Enough on August 13, 2006 at 11:17:03 PT

Music, Sweet Sweet Music
If it feels good do it. If music can relive your sinus headaches, do it. It's better than taking drugs.“Maybe music helps in ways we don't know”Music and weed can save the world. If the world would only listen.

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Comment #10 posted by FoM on August 13, 2006 at 11:05:50 PT

Whig
If it worked for you I'll give it a try. I am getting over a respiratory infection and it always winds up in my head. I am fine today and it's the first time I've not had a headache in many days.
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Comment #9 posted by whig on August 13, 2006 at 10:53:35 PT

FoM
Get some Sinus Buster for that!
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Comment #8 posted by FoM on August 13, 2006 at 10:31:10 PT

Wow That's Powerful
I have had a painful sinus infection and my head has been really hurting. Last night I was listening to the Fresno show of CSNY's tour and when they played Rockin in the Free World I went into my own world and then realized my head didn't hurt anymore. Maybe music helps in ways we don't know. I don't know but the pain is gone now. I just tuned into Rust Radio and they are playing the Toronto Show. The best recording of the shows I've heard so far was the Camden show. Here is the order of the songs for the Toronto show. They are playing After The Garden now.http://www.csny.com/setlists/07102006http://www.rustradio.org/
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Comment #7 posted by Had Enough on August 13, 2006 at 10:17:16 PT

What’s that you say?
The tunes have been cranking here too. I give everybody fair warning, and tell them if it bothers them let me know. A few days ago the girl next door came over and wanted to know what I was playing, she had company over and they were swimming in her pool, and they liked what they heard. It was Living With War. She has it now. Cool.I have to drive this rather large and heavy pick up truck for the daily grind, I put a 200 watt Mp3 CD Player in it with 4 Pioneer speakers, they weren’t cheap, but they kick ass, and will ring your ears. I have to turn it down when I arrive at my destinations.I’ve been around loud music and loud noises almost my entire life; I catch myself having a time hearing too, once in a while. Last week I was in a sheet metal shop, they were hammering on the sheet metal in a rather large building with poor acoustics; the sound was bouncing around everywhere. I was trying to talk with this guy but the noise was drowning him out. I had to keep telling him I couldn’t hear him over all that tin knocking going on, they use these special hammers to lock the seams in. Those guys’ ears have to be shot out after 20 years of that.

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Comment #6 posted by FoM on August 13, 2006 at 09:45:59 PT

Had Enough 
I don't know anything about music. I can't hold a tune in a bucket but boy do I love to listen to good music. I told my husband he must start speaking louder so I don't have to keep saying hey what did ya say? LOL! My poor ears don't hear that well anymore. We have 8 speakers thruout the house and I play the music way too loud! LOL!
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Comment #5 posted by Had Enough on August 13, 2006 at 09:38:59 PT

And boy do I love it
Glad you got a grin over it. Disco Duck was bad for America and the rest of the world for that matter.The power tubes in those amps are what give them their unique sound. They are called 6L6GC, it’s industrial equivalent is called 6550. They are interchangeable. They have a bluish purple glow to them. When you are playing through them you can see the glow changing with the music. I never did it, but I always thought it would be cool to somehow capture that image real time, and project it behind the stage as part of a light show.

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Comment #4 posted by FoM on August 13, 2006 at 09:27:26 PT

Had Enough 
You're welcome! You made me laugh too. Disco Duck. Coke spoon under everyone's nose. Look who is still here and packing a powerful message. You just gotta love it!
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Comment #3 posted by Had Enough on August 13, 2006 at 09:18:35 PT

Pictures
Just as I had thought, Fender Amps on stage, tube amps. That is the sound. Les Paul, Telecaster, Stratocaster, guitars. Bass Player using THE bass of choice, Fender Precision, plugged into an Ampeg tube amp, nothing else has that sound. Some similar, but none, that is the same.The very first time I heard LWW, I heard that sound and I knew it had to be comeing from that particular combination of Guitars and Amps. I love that sound.Back in the day, that sound got drown out by that DISCO DUCK. He was running around flapping his wings, shoving a Coke Spoon under everyone’s nose saying, Rock n Roll is dead, Disco is here to stay. Well now look who is still here and look who is gone. Take that you refried duck, have another one for your nose.Thanks for the pictures. Coool. I really enjoyed that. 

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Comment #2 posted by FoM on August 13, 2006 at 06:36:24 PT

Pictures from the Washington, DC Concert 
I was worried about CSNY performing in the belly of the beast last night but it looks like it went off just fine. http://www.csny.com/photos/20
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Comment #1 posted by FoM on August 13, 2006 at 06:21:23 PT

Just a Comment
I know many people on CNews are too young to remember what a remarkable event WoodStock was but we should never forget. I hope the concert tonight brings the message and reason why we loved the 60s and Woodstock back in to people's minds. They feared our ability to work together. That's scary to the powers that be. 
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