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  It's Time To Enact New State Marijuana Policy

Posted by CN Staff on June 23, 2006 at 08:26:12 PT
Editorial 
Source: Lahontan Valley News 

Nevada -- Nevada voters will once again take up a marijuana ballot initiative this fall, an issue muddied in rhetoric from both sides. The Regulation of Marijuana Initiative will appear on ballots in November. It would allow those 21 years old and older to legally possess, use and transfer one ounce or less of marijuana. Penalties are also stiffened for those who drive under the influence of marijuana or sell it to minors. Use in public would be prohibited.
For a $1,000 annual license fee, state-licensed retailers would be able to sell marijuana. An excise tax of $45 per ounce would be collected by the state from wholesalers. Sales tax would be the same as other products. Half of the profits from related licensing fees and taxes would be used for substance abuse treatment and education. It's time to pass this multi-pronged approach to marijuana regulation and end years of speculation and fruitless debates.What the initiative offers is a chance for voters to change a decades-long war on marijuana that has failed to curb its prevalence among Nevadans of all ages. Long compared to the country's failed prohibition of alcohol in the 1930s, current marijuana laws foster an illegal market. Nevadans who use marijuana legally for medicinal purposes are forced to grow their own or obtain it through illicit sources.Detractors of the initiative argue that marijuana is a gateway drug that leads to use of more dangerous substances. But the same could be said of caffeine, tobacco, alcohol, gambling, sex or any other activity that stimulates the brain's pleasure zones. Some of the above mentioned activities are legal and regulated in Nevada. In fact, the state's most powerful industry caters to those same visceral pleasures.In a state where prostitution is legal in certain counties, bars are not required to close and children can legally possess and use tobacco, objections to marijuana legalization on a moral basis seem hypocritical. Education and parental involvement affect a person's decisions more profoundly than state policy.The initiative would give law enforcement and the judicial system more resources to aggressively pursue a far more destructive and insidious substance: Methamphetamine. State-licensed marijuana retailers will reduce marijuana's value in the criminal market.Those who view marijuana as a blight on society have yet to offer an effective solution of how to stop its spread through society or better fund law enforcement. Continuation of the ill-funded, half-hearted campaigns of the past is little more than veiled acceptance of its current widespread and illegal use.If governments won't embrace efforts to successfully eliminate marijuana use and distribution, then regulate it, tax it and transfer the money from drug dealers' pockets to worthwhile endeavors. Vote yes for the Regulation of Marijuana Initiative Nov. 7.Source: Lahontan Valley News (NV)Published: June 20, 2006Copyright: 2006 Lahontan Valley NewsContact: : http://tinyurl.com/k3blqWebsite: http://www.lahontanvalleynews.com/Related Articles & Web Site:Regulate Marijuana in Nevadahttp://www.regulatemarijuana.org/ Newspaper Endorses Nevada Pot Initiativehttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21932.shtmlLegalization Initiative: Marijuana Opposedhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21722.shtml

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Comment #166 posted by FoM on July 07, 2006 at 21:45:41 PT
Related Letter To The Editor
Letter: Time For Legalization of Marijuana is Now*** 
 
July 8, 2006 As a member of Nevada's Marijuana Policy Project from the start of this initiative, it is with gratefulness that I thank, and most of all laud, your recent editorial in support of our efforts. Your editorial has received national attention.Any rational person would concede that our present laws don't work, and as is the case with medical marijuana, have become so cumbersome so as to deny medicine to our sick citizens. It seems we have more to fear from knee-jerk authoritarian government than we do from pot. Even the August Federal Probation Report has stated that the biggest danger in using and possessing marijuana came from the laws against it.The legal philosopher Jeremy Bentham wrote long ago that we must always apply scrutiny to our laws, lest they become anachronistic and useless and then lead to the law's mockery, due only from former convention or compulsion.The time for marijuana's legalization has come. Let's all vote yes this November, and in doing so, send a loud message to those folks in Washington, that yes, even in "rural" Nevada, we know a bad law when we see one.Al Engleman FallonCopyright: 2006 Lahontan Valley Newshttp://www.lahontanvalleynews.com/article/20060708/Opinion/107080031
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Comment #165 posted by FoM on June 26, 2006 at 18:10:53 PT
Ann Coulter on Joe Scarborough Soon
Ann Coulter will be interviewed by Joe Scarborough on MSNBC soon. I thought others might want to see it. How can she be a Deadhead?
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Comment #164 posted by whig on June 26, 2006 at 16:23:31 PT
museman
"Somebody needs to get some media out there."I don't know how welcome or feasible it would be, but if you think it would help it should be possible to webcast somehow without needing to get the MSM involved in advance.
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Comment #163 posted by museman on June 26, 2006 at 11:57:38 PT
FoM
I will let you know. If there is any way to access the net, I will probably find it. Apparently a lot of my old friends are going to be there, and without revealing too much, lets just say I missed that government list of 'rainbow leaders' by only a couple of years. Because I left. Even though I never 'led' anybody anywhere, in fact I was an active force against it (another reason why I left.)I don't intend to get caught up in the confrontation, I will be actively seeking ways to get around it, even if I have to camp somewhere else and find an overland trail.By the wording in that email, I would say that it should be taken seriously. Legal precedents are being established here that effects us all, and most specially cannabis users.Somebody needs to get some media out there.
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Comment #162 posted by FoM on June 26, 2006 at 10:53:47 PT
Visit Rainbow Family Web Sites
http://www.aspendailynews.com/article_14650
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Comment #161 posted by FoM on June 26, 2006 at 10:27:28 PT
Museman a Request
Before you leave to go to the Rainbow Gathering please let us know. Will you have anyway to get online during the trip or when at the gathering? Thanks.
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Comment #160 posted by FoM on June 26, 2006 at 09:55:45 PT
E-Mail News About The Rainbow Gathering
Subject: Help Stop Government Repression***Dear Friends and Family,I need your help to protect my "family," the collective efforts of tens of thousands of citizens known as the "Rainbow Family." This week, near Steamboat Springs, Colorado, the U.S. Forest Service has taken illegal action to stop this annual assembly for expression and prayer, in gross violation of the participants' essential Constitutional rights.The 'Rainbow' Gatherings have borne a legacy of spiritual & cultural pilgrimage to the National Forests since 1972, the purest exercise of open consensual assembly in our time. The annual 'Gathering of the Tribes' draws thousands over the first week of July, focusing on the 4th as a holy day of prayer for peace and freedom. In recent years small regional events in this mode have emerged, and such gatherings have taken place in many nations around the world.THE GATHERING EXPERIENCE --Some say the "Rainbow" Gathering is the continuation of the idealism of Woodstock. I think of it more as my annual spiritual retreat and family reunion. Since 1980, I have gathered with my family to compare ideas and pray for peace. I arrive loaded with the burdens of my work, depressed about the world situation. Each year I depart with my faith in humankind renewed and with the energy to fight the beast another year.The rainbow family is not organized in any way; it is an exercise in self-determination and cooperation in the public interest, without need of government controls. We understand that no matter what comes down, it is the respect and care for each other that win in the end. We have no leaders or leadership, we have no offices or officers, we have no treasurer or treasury. We sit in counsel, often for days at a time in order to make mutual decisions, but there is no power to enforce these decisions on any individual. In the end, just like in society, it works because enough responsible people make sure that what needs to be done gets done.We have been doing rainbow gatherings for over 30 years, each time in a different national forest across the country. We come in and set up a village in the woods. Cooperative kitchens pour out a wide variety of foods. Seminars on just about any topic are run by the hour. The Rainbow is known as a healing gathering; people with various ailments come for help. Here in one place they can receive healing, from herbalists, acupuncturists, chiropractors and masseuses working with osteopaths and physicians. These healers work as a team and share their knowledge in a holistic approach that teaches all involved a lot about the roots of medicine.Religious groups, ranging from Christians to Hare Krishnas set up camps. It's truly a free society. We go pretty far back in the woods to get away from the ills of civilization like alcohol and hard drugs. We have our gathering and then restore any damage we cause to the woods. And we have a perfect record of restoration of the forest.It's great to walk through a gathering and see so many people but not a scrap of paper on the ground, not a cigarette butt in sight. Each year we train thousands of newcomers how to get along in the woods without destroying the place. Knowledgeable Forest Servide 'Resource' personnel love us; it's the Federal bureaucrats and police from Washington who are on our case.REPRESSIVE FEDERAL POLICIES --The Bush Administration has spent millions of dollars trying to stop the Rainbow Gatherings. They are enforcing a 'Noncommercial Group Use' permit regulation that is impossible for unaffiliated individuals to comply with. 36 CFR 251.54 They require that that someone sign as an agent for a fictional group entity named as permit Holder -- which then must assume full liability from the Government and bind participants vicariously to its terms.By the creed of the gatherings, no one can appoint themselves to such a position. More importantly, such an ad hoc gathering has no legal capacity to designate agents or act as a group party in any way. As a result, individuals are denied personal standing in First Amendment exercise and subjected to harsh criminal prosecution for being anywhere near the area.The Forest Service requires that a permit be applied for in advance of the gathering. And they use any excuse possible to deny a permit application when we manage to submit one. This year their denial was based on the fact that a logging company had a permit to log in a nearby parcel of the national forest, even though there is no logging activity present whatsoever. The site is far remote from any inhabitants -- but still the Forest Service is all over our case.Millions of taxpayer dollars are being spent to block this harmless gathering from taking place. The scariest aspect of all this is how Homeland Security is using these gatherings to perfect their techniques of martial law. Regulations written for the Federal Emergency Management Authority to deal with natural disasters are now being used to crush dissent in this country.Each year the Rainbow Gathering is declared a "National Incident" and federal military law ensues. A Special Agent is appointed "Incident Commander", with a Delegation of Authority, a large law enforcement "Team", and huge budget to control the gathering. Qualified Forest Service administrators lose their power, while the county sheriff and other officials are brought into targeted law enforcement actions by inclusion in the Incident Team and other inter-agency agreements. Each year Homeland Security gains more power over the individuals involved.RIGHTS CRISIS IN COLORADO --At this writing Forest Service law enforcement has issued over 500 tickets to the early arrivals at the gathering in Colorado. They have blocked the road and have prevented food and water from reaching those who managed to get into the gathering before the police roadblock was set up.The 500 people with tickets are being herded into trials like none anyone has seen before in America. These pseudo trials are prototypes for what Homeland Security will use in the cases of insurrection or even a plague. Defendants lose the right to a public hearing (this year these hearings are being held behind closed doors in a firehouse garage near the site.Attorneys and legal observers have been denied the right to even view these trials. The defendants are not explained their rights nor afforded the right to an attorney, the right to summon witnesses, the right to a jury trial, etc. Defendants ordered to appear each day at 9:00 a.m. and sit in the hot sun without water or sanitary facilities until their trials. Some have now been waiting for several days. These abbreviated trials only take a few minutes. Last year I tried to help a string of defendants defend themselves in these "trials" but felt helpless to do much as the system was clearly stacked against them.This year is especially frustrating to me as I have to watch this come down from 6000 miles away. Right now I am in Hungary at a medical conference for my employment. I am flying home on Thursday and plan on being in court Saturday, July 1st, to defend some of my best friends who got a ticket for "illegally gathering" as they drove down a public highway.WHAT TO DO --The confrontation this year is getting more intense by the minute, which is why I am asking for your help. The only way to stop a massive conflagration in Colorado in the next few days is to get thousands of people to contact their political representatives as well as the responsible administrators at the Forest Service to demand that this repression stop immediately.Please, even if you can never conceive of yourself at a Rainbow Gathering, you must understand that if these citizens lose their constitutional right to gather, we all lose such rights. This year the Rainbow Gathering is being used to set precedents that will be turned against drug policy, civil liberty, anti-war or other activists in the near future.Following are some instructions on who to write and/or call We hope to start flooding the Department of Agriculture and the Forest Service with complaints starting Monday morning and not stopping until harassment stops. It is especially important that we get a few Congressional representative and Senators concerned enough to write the Forest Service for an explanation of why so much money is being spent to keep people from camping in the National Forest set aside for exactly that purpose.Please keep the pressure on these bureaucrats until we are able to spread the word that the government has backed off and that the gathering can proceed unhindered.If you do not know the contact information for your Congressman or Senator, you can find this here http://www.house.gov/ . You can call your representative at 212-224-3121. Besides your representatives in Washington, please call and write the following people to voice your protest to this harsh treatment of people who just want to go on a camping trip in the woods. Keep the calls coming until word is passed around that the government has called off their dogs. Please forward this letter to your friends and feel free to re-post it on any listserv or website you wish. Email me if you have any questions.Don E Wirtshafter Attorney at Law Box 18 Guysville, OH 45735 740 662 5297 don hempery.com--------USDA, Natural Resources & Environment Mark Rey, USDA Undersecretary 1400 Independence Ave. SW, # 217-E Washington, DC 20250 202-720-7173 Fax: 202-720-0632 mark.rey usda.govKathleen Gause, Director 202-205-8534 USDA Forest Service Civil Rights Staff Stop Code 1142 1400 Independence Ave., S.W. Washington., DC 20250-1142 Tel (202) 205-1585Office of the Chief Dale Bosworth, Chief USDA Forest Service Yates Federal Building (4NW Yates) 201 14th Street, SW - Washington, DCE20250 202-205-1661; Fx: 202-205-1765 Executive Assistant...Karla Hawley, 202 -205-1195Medicine Bow-Routt National Forests, Mary H. Peterson, Supervisor 2468 Jackson Street -- Laramie, WY 82070-6535 307-745-2300 Fax: 307-745-2398U.S. Forest Service, Rocky Mountain Region (R-2) Rick Cables, Regional Forester Mail: P.O. Box 25127 -- Lakewood, CO 80225-0127 303-275-5451 Richard Stem, Deputy Regional Forester, Resources: 303-275-5451 Steve Silverman, Office of General Counsel, Regional Attorney: 303-275-5536 Bill Fox, Law Enforcement & Investigations, Special Agent in Charge: 303-275-5253 Jerome Romero, Deputy Director of Civil Rights: 303-275-5340Some resources to research these issues further:The best Rainbow website: http://www.welcomehome.orgMore info: http://colorado.indymedia.org/newswire/display/13842/index.phpA good article written before the feds came down hard: http://www.csindy.com/csindy/2006-06-22/cover.htmlMore recent coverage: http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4795586,00.html and http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_3974355
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Comment #159 posted by Hope on June 26, 2006 at 09:40:29 PT
Lol! 
FoM, that's right!
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Comment #158 posted by FoM on June 26, 2006 at 09:34:40 PT
Hope
You're right. Remember it depends on what is is.
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Comment #157 posted by Hope on June 26, 2006 at 09:32:21 PT
The "New Wine" versus the "Old Wine"
Coulter said something to the effect of "(in addition to not being a pot-smoker, I'm not much of a beer-drinker)".Maybe she's a cannabis "eater" instead of "smoker".And if she likes and is refreshed by the prescence of "friendly" "pot-heads"...she knows what a "contact" is. I knew lots of people who didn't like or couldln't smoke, that loved picking up the vibe from "pot-heads" and being a part of it. I've seen it. I've felt it from afar over the internet. Their "vibe" is easy to pick up...thus a "contact" high.Another thought...(got these politicians and lawyers down pretty good)...is that, to protect her career, she's learned to obfuscate instead of down right lie. Maybe she's a "marijuana" smoker or a "cannabis" smoker at times. Not "pot"! You can't smoke a pot!
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Comment #156 posted by FoM on June 26, 2006 at 09:19:56 PT
Truth 
I read the interview and I didn't understand how she could associate with cannabis consumers at a Grateful Dead Concert. It seems like a double standard to me.
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Comment #155 posted by Truth on June 26, 2006 at 09:13:24 PT
Ann C.
I noticed at the end of the interview there was a list of keywords. The first two are Ann Coulter and body odor.Just a coincidence?She mentions that she didn't do drugs at the concerts yet gleefully remembers the wine. Isn't wine pschoative?Alcohol is a drug. Ann is a hypocrite.
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Comment #154 posted by Hope on June 25, 2006 at 23:53:38 PT

Museman
"Hope I don't offend". Don't we all?! But one of the things I love about C-News is that intelligent people can disagree without storming off in a huff...usually...or ultimately...or something.The thing about some of the people I know when they disagree with me about something...they start disparaging my intelligence. Like screaming something to the effect that I'm so stupid because I disagree with them.Here you can disagree and no one thinks you're stupid...you just disagree.I love that!
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Comment #153 posted by museman on June 25, 2006 at 17:10:29 PT

toker
Hey man I do respect your energies,here's an old quote that used to hang on the wall in the main house at the first Rainbow Farm;"In the land of milk and honey, somebody has to feed the cows and tend the bees."
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Comment #152 posted by museman on June 25, 2006 at 17:05:50 PT

deadheads
I really loved Jerry's guitar playing. I was a psychedelic musician myself, and heard him fly to those same places.I never went to a dead show. Because of the deadheads. I knew quite a number of them, because them and the rainbow was the same folks. Some of 'em were (and still are ) my good friends.Not everybody who went to dead shows was a deadhead, and not everybody who claimed the name walked the walk- too many - which is why as a psychedelic musician/magician of the same order I could not bring myself to view what to me was a kind of sacrilege, because that space is sacred to me.I would have nothing to say if it weren't for the fact that out of that motley collection of psychedelic trippers there were some who forgot to keep it sacred, and some who deliberately contaminated it with various twisted values. The badge of a deadhead is pretty meaningless to me, except that I better watch my face lest they steal it.Hope I don't offend.
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Comment #151 posted by Toker00 on June 25, 2006 at 16:56:05 PT

You're right, museman. #146 & 148
When I was speaking up for protesters, I was thinking about the many long hours the organizers put into it. The founder of this organization I support, teaches college full time then spends endless hours in the evening either on the road to meet with heads of other organizations and/or the "Authorities" who want to join the protest, and what permits are needed. Endless e-mails, late evenings EVERY evening. Organizing emergency protests for local incidents on top of the long range protests. All I do is create signs and volunteer to be security, or simply carry a sign and chant. What little I have time to devote, I do. If you don't want to do that, NO one holds it against you. No problem whig. That's what it's all about, bro. Respect. I think you have something with what you are saying about status quo of so called government. The system absolutely needs retro-fitting. But we have to keep the parts that DO work, and are initiated and employed by the people, be it protest, gatherings, spontaneous overpass banner drop, or just simply talking to the person next to you about change. It's ALL good!Had enough, thank you. But I worry about your potential support for Bush. lol. I think you say that just because you KNOW it will never happen? : )FoM, I wanted to ask you about bringing my dachshunds. Are dogs allowed on leashes at outside concerts. God, I haven't been to a concert in so long. Probably a dumb question. I don't just defend MY right to protest. I defend OUR right to protest. I seek no glory for what little I do. I just believe it works.Wage peace on war. END CANNABIS PROHIBITION NOW! 
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Comment #150 posted by FoM on June 25, 2006 at 16:48:39 PT

Interview With Ann Coulter About Deadheads
'Deadheads Are What Liberals Claim to Be But Aren't'http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1655404/posts
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Comment #149 posted by Genthirdday on June 25, 2006 at 16:42:29 PT

There are people......
There are people that really scare me. I know what power they have to abuse and create extreme suffering to victims in this failed "drug war".
 Museman said ...."the solution is simple though very very difficult; Displacement of fear with faith."
Every day and often very freqently, I am comforted and find relief with this truth..."The fear of others lays a snare, but one who trusts in the Lord is secure." Prov29.25
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Comment #148 posted by museman on June 25, 2006 at 14:25:31 PT

There are people
in this world who are so empty and devoid of life, that they must elaborately contrive to steal from those who have. They take the simple image of a good life, then model and shape it into their ideas of beauty, which is basicly painted on, or twisted into the shape that pleases them. Then after creating the image, by the force of arms, and exclusion of property, they prance about in the world as if not only was their contrived 'beauty' the standard upheld by God Himself, but that they were posessed of some kind of 'divine rights' because of it. If you cannot contort your natural being through technique or surgery into their wont, then the labels of 'peasant,' 'slave,' 'laborer,' 'servant,' and other class distinctions are your lifetime social companions. Ask any black man buried in the poverty of the ghetto.These few things that resemble human beings but aren't, are like the tales of the vampire. They delight in creating terror and havoc in the world, then joking with their fellows over some heady intoxicant or another-kind of like the old stories of the Gods of Olympus who delighted in tormenting man.These empty shells prey on ignorance, fear, and the general cluelessness of the human race, and the only thing they fear is that which they cannot see; the things of the Spirit, Truth, Love, Understanding...Peace.It is only a few, these power mongers from some demented realm, but (as I have often stated) it is we who continue to empower them, and all the layers of illusion and false belief they have sown amongst us.I have found, in my own personal battle with these 'energies' that like the biblical story of Michael wrestling the 'devil' - if you enter into the game you have already lost- you cannot 'beat the devil at his own game.'
Therefore the solution is simple though very very difficult; Displacement of fear with faith.The more one denies the validity of these false values and systems, the closer we all get to the revealing of the true systems and values that we have been misdirected away from. But make no mistake, the predators are having their day. 
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Comment #147 posted by FoM on June 25, 2006 at 13:52:55 PT

museman
Thank you. That's sad to read. It is really hard for me to understand why people who promote a peaceful world are so bad in their eyes. 
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Comment #146 posted by museman on June 25, 2006 at 13:30:33 PT

FoM. G_W
"Over the years there are plenty of good things people have done but we don't hear about them. You know the silent majority of just down right good folks."Why after 35 years - since 1971 - has the news of the Rainbow Gathering been deliberately squashed? Because though there are a few jokers in the deck
there is also a lot of unsung, unpublished heroes. Allow me to tell you a story.There was a sister in our 'family' who went by the Rainbnow name of 'No Guns.' Her name was the expression of one of the tenets of Rainbow 'no guns.' She was always one of the crew who STOOD at the 'gate' and pleaded, asked, and persuaded the cops and others, to leave their guns outside the gathering.One year there was some particularly stupid red-neck 'peace officers' who were pushing everybody literally. They went to drive their cop car into the gathering, and she laid down in front of the car. This tactic is as old as Ghandi, and usually there is enough humanity even in the case of the cops, to stop the motion. Not this time, that cop just ran over her. She survived, but lost the use of her legs for over a year - it took a long time for them to heal they were broken so badly. Did that cop even get any kind of action against him? Even when charges were filed? Did any of you guys hear about this?No Guns is a hero as far as I am concerned, and there are many more. Who was there when I stood up to the D.A.s the judges and the cops for my 'crimes' of marijuana? Certainly not NORML for instance, not the ACLU, not anybody, just me and my faith.I can not know the extent of anyone's involvement, what they did or didn't stand up for, unless that information is available or given, but I know that most of the true holders of liberty are not viewed by the general public as the heroes they are, but quite often painted over by the same kind of lies we get everyday over prohibition.A case in point; There was a news story a couple of days ago about a confrontation between the cops and the rainbows, the story reported that the Rainbows threw sticks and stones at the cops, and the cops left 'to prevent confrontation.' Now that is a blatant lie fabricated by bush supported 'law enforcement,' but most peole will believe it just because it was published in a 'reputable' newspaper."The Revolution wil not be televised." Circa 1969 -not all the contemporary hooppla that has used the quote-

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Comment #145 posted by whig on June 25, 2006 at 13:24:16 PT

OT: Get Out Now, Just Do It
I agree with this essay.http://tinyurl.com/gzoym
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Comment #144 posted by FoM on June 25, 2006 at 13:00:11 PT

global_warming 
No I didn't mean cannabis I meant where would we be if good people didn't fight over the years against those that want to totally mess up the world. Over the years there are plenty of good things people have done but we don't hear about them. You know the silent majority of just down right good folks.
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Comment #143 posted by global_warming on June 25, 2006 at 12:37:26 PT

not sure 
what you said in last post "some people hadn't stood for good"Have you seen some good in locking up a user of Cannabis?
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Comment #142 posted by FoM on June 25, 2006 at 12:27:19 PT

global_warming 
That's true but I also wonder if some people hadn't stood for good over all these years where would our country be now? I don't want to even imagine that.
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Comment #141 posted by global_warming on June 25, 2006 at 12:26:27 PT

my vote
is to free CannabisCannabis is fuelCannabis is medicine
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Comment #140 posted by global_warming on June 25, 2006 at 12:21:02 PT

and for many years
this injusticehas cut through the flesh and bonesin our society
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Comment #139 posted by FoM on June 25, 2006 at 12:10:08 PT

global_warming 
You're very welcome. It sounds so nice. They have been gathering for many years.
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Comment #138 posted by global_warming on June 25, 2006 at 11:50:48 PT

thanks Lady Fomme
Peaceful people from all walks of life and faiths are invited to join us in our celebrations of unity, on the land at Gatherings or at our homes for Potlucks and Councils.You are encouraged to come with Peace in your Heart, Love
for the Mother Earth, Deep Pride in yourself, and Respect for all things, Spiritual and Natural. All events and socials are free and non commercial. Please bring all good and kind sharing things. Help the kitchen and each other by donating food and labor.The Rainbow Family is a non-organization of non-members,
and so is purely a voluntary association based upon peace,
sharing, cooperation, community, mutual assistance and
personal responsibility for self, society and nature. We gather on the land periodically to share, rejoice, drum and commune with nature and for fellowship. Brings tears to my tired old eyes..
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Comment #137 posted by whig on June 25, 2006 at 11:42:41 PT

Difference of perspective...
Some of us here believe that the state can be reformed. If people would only vote the right way and make politicians follow the constitution, we can fix what is wrong and make this a great country with lots of freedom and make it what we imagine it should be.Some of us think we're going to need to build new systems based on voluntary participation which people can choose to subscribe or not with.I think that is the real division that exists between us.In the meantime those who think the existing system can be reformed will rightly try to reform it. And those who think the existing system will need to be replaced will rightly choose to avoid participating in the current state in order to focus on building alternative social structures.Neither of us is immoral or wrong, nor should we condemn one another for our different approaches based on different perceptions. It is good that we share our respective perspectives and talk about them with one another, without judgment.Toker00, please excuse me for anything that I said that might have seemed to be a criticism of you. What is right for you is right for you.
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Comment #136 posted by FoM on June 25, 2006 at 11:40:46 PT

global_warming
Here's their link. I am receiving their digest just to follow the event. It's very interesting.http://www.coloradorainbowfamily.org/
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Comment #135 posted by global_warming on June 25, 2006 at 11:31:47 PT

question
where is this Rainbow Gathering going to happen?
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Comment #134 posted by FoM on June 25, 2006 at 10:07:39 PT

Had Enough 
Mr. and Mrs. Toker00 are coming to our place and going with us to see CSNY's Freedom of Speech Tour. It will be the very last concert of the tour. I can only imagine and look forward to that night like no other in a very long time. I'm afraid I might go poof and disappear into the happy ozone never to return again. LOL!http://www.csny.com/
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Comment #133 posted by FoM on June 25, 2006 at 09:18:00 PT

Rainbow Gathering: Free Spirits Evoke Fear
Excerpt from Article:"We can ask them to cooperate, but they don't always listen to what we want them to do," Roemeling said. "We can lay it all out on the table, but we can't escort every single person from the national forest lands. That's the reality of it. The only thing we could do was call in the National Guard to remove them. I don't think that's what we want to do."Forest Service spokeswoman Kim Vogel reminded the group that the Rainbows have a constitutional right to peaceably assemble."We just have to respect their rights and balance that with our resources," she said.http://www.summitdaily.com/article/20060624/NEWS/106240050

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Comment #132 posted by whig on June 25, 2006 at 09:06:31 PT

Had Enough
Tempers get heated sometimes and it makes allies feel like adversaries.We aren't adversaries.We may have different approaches.
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Comment #131 posted by Had Enough on June 25, 2006 at 08:57:37 PT

and

Falwell & Robertson are another fine example of how ”The Mind can be a Terrible Thing.”

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Comment #130 posted by Had Enough on June 25, 2006 at 08:48:19 PT

Followers of Robertson and Falwell
Sheeple!!! Followers of Robertson and Falwell worship money instead of God.If you looked in their dictionaries for the definition of God, you would find 30 pieces of Silver.

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Comment #129 posted by FoM on June 25, 2006 at 08:40:35 PT

Had Enough 
I held tight to my coffee and didn't spew any! LOL!Seriously yes Bush could change the law with a stroke of the pen but he would make the Falwells and Robertsons that support the Republican Party very angry. They don't want to lose all the financial support those people give to them. I sure hope that religious fundamentalists don't get involved with the Democrats or I don't know how we will make any progress. 
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Comment #128 posted by Had Enough on June 25, 2006 at 07:43:50 PT

Say, Say, Say
Hey Toker00. I would like to thank you for all you do.In this world sometimes I can only see doers and sayers. You seem to be a doer. And that’s what it will take to get these laws changed. Doers! I’ve heard people say a lot, but fewer people actually do anything but talk, if that.I would just love to have a sign holding event in this town, but if that were tried here, martyrism would be the next course of events. When I hear about your public demonstrations in Houston, I think, boy I wish that could happen here without all extras that would come along with it. And it takes Time, Effort, and at times our favorite hit “MONEY”. You have provided all three. Unselfishly too.“HONK for HEMP”.  Toker, I would feel good standing next to you holding a sign, waving at the cars passing by.Caution Warning for FoM!!! The following might cause a spewing of coffee all over the place.I’ve posted something like this before, and I will do it again. I appreciate anything, anyone does to help try to change these insidious laws, to the extent of; here it goes; If George W. Bush were to whip out his “Mighty Pen” stroke the proper documents with it and end this Cannabis War, which he “can do” under an Executive Order, I would put a “Vote for George” sign up. That is how much I appreciate people doing things to help.Disclaimer: If George were to come to his senses and do something like that, I’m sure other things would be going a lot better than they are, so I wouldn’t feel so bad about it.Violence. Most people I know will do anything up to a point, to avoid violence and confrontations, and I subscribe. But there comes a time when you have to stand your ground, and defend, I subscribe to this too!!! I will not turn and run, I will face my attackers and confront them. I will not allow myself to be cow-towed by fools and bullies!!! “Neither did the Minute Men”. I will not be afraid, careful maybe, but not afraid, and actions like Steve Tuck, Kubby, Ed Rosenthal, a host of others, and yours Toker, helps me keep my resolve.Lots of people talking, few of them know, even less doing anything.

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Comment #127 posted by whig on June 25, 2006 at 00:06:11 PT

Toker00
#63: You wrote, "Now whig, this is something I would not be invovled in."That is why I referenced you in #86.Not to single you out for any sort of belittling.I don't intend you any disrespect.I'm tired right now so maybe I should write more in the morning. Maybe it's just a bad vibe at the moment, it happens. But I don't write to put you down, ever.
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Comment #126 posted by FoM on June 24, 2006 at 22:11:10 PT

Toker00
You're very welcome. Keep following your heart. 
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Comment #125 posted by FoM on June 24, 2006 at 21:23:44 PT

Hope
I understand. We have many people involved in our issue and other issues. We don't all think the same. I look at the drug war as a moral issue not a political one. I know some people think it's a political issue and not a moral one. No one is wrong. 
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Comment #124 posted by Hope on June 24, 2006 at 21:04:24 PT

FoM Comment 119
I so agree and I didn't want to "get in the middle of it" either. Whig feels how he feels, and he has thoughtful ideas,some I agree with and some I don't. I think he will allow me that. His ideas are as valuable as anyones, but I wanted to let Toker know that some of us do believe he's doing a very good and helpful thing in this fight. I wanted Toker to know that I surely appreciate it and I do. It takes a lot of extra effort, work, expense, and valuable time to get out there and say and do something...and I'm grateful that Toker is making that effort. 
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Comment #123 posted by museman on June 24, 2006 at 20:38:10 PT

Toker
"We are all more common and alike than we realize."Yes we are, and each unique with a color, flavor, and song all our own.I will certainly mention this incredible forum to those who I feel might gain from it. I wouldn't want to invite some of the same energies that I've run into on their forums however. This forum is more like the Rainbow than the Rainbow. (as I see online anyway)
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Comment #122 posted by Toker00 on June 24, 2006 at 20:27:45 PT

I seek to understand and not be misunderstood,
not looking to argue. Since I am not formally educated in any political of philosophical field, I do my best with my Self education. I understand your personal issue with the Rainbow Family. If I had been associated with it in the past, I might would join you and assist all I could in getting us there and back safely. I am not the one who isn't understanding the purpose of the gathering, the authorities are. It is unfair to be singled out because I approach changing these laws differently from you or whig or anyone else. The ends are the same, the goal is the same. TO CHANGE THE UNJUST LAWS WHICH KEEP US BOUND TO THE LAWS OF MAN AND BANNED FROM THE LAWS OF NATURE. I intend to help defeat the very same laws which are keeping the Rainbow Family from doing what they feel they believe we should all do. Adhere to the LAWS OF NATURE. I don't single any one of you out for how you fight this monster. In fact I cheer you on in whatever way you choose to fight it, as long as it doesn't unnecessarily endanger your safety. Protesting is a PROVEN way of changing laws. And if it is these laws which prevent an event like the Rainbow Family gathering, then how am I the problem? And thank you, FoM: "Actually we will be going to a music protest gathering when we go together to see the Freedom of Speech Tour. I believe it all matters." Yes, we will be. Thank you for believing it ALL matters.Museman, you are far more knowing about the inner workings of the Hippie generation than I am. You lived it, I merely lived AT it. Anyone who puts their beliefs on the line like you obviously have been doing for a lot longer than I have, deserves all of our respect. I wish you well, and I hope you speak of us to these people. We are all more common and alike than we realize. Bring back music and tales of freedom and spiritualism. A part of us will be with you.Toke.
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Comment #121 posted by FoM on June 24, 2006 at 19:58:20 PT

museman
Thank you. I really believe what I said too.This is off topic but a repeat show on SNL tonight will have this skit. I missed it it when it first was on. It is funny.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO076LcG8RM
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Comment #120 posted by museman on June 24, 2006 at 19:43:27 PT

FoM
Clearly.
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Comment #119 posted by FoM on June 24, 2006 at 19:24:58 PT

Toker00 
I didn't want to get in the middle but Hope made a comment and I thought I should to. I believe very strongly in protests. Always follow your heart and do what you feel you should. I also believe in gatherings. Actually we will be going to a music protest gathering when we go together to see the Freedom of Speech Tour. I believe it all matters. We all are different. I don't want to go to the Rainbow Gathering but I want to hear everything about it from museman when he gets back. Praying for peace is good. Protesting is good. These events are the last stand we might have against a country out of control in my opinion.
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Comment #118 posted by museman on June 24, 2006 at 19:23:03 PT

toker
"Probation is not even worth the hassle. I would go to this gathering if it were organized and legal."Now don't take offense toker because i mean none. I thoroughly grok your reasoning and 'position' however, though I don't have contention with 'organized' so much, but surely you must admit that the circumstances, and the 'authorities' that determine what is 'legal' and what is not, are at the very least suspect, and at the worse insidious criminals selling the entire earth down into wasteland. So where do we draw the line? I agree that it is a choice for the individual, and that is as it should be, but how can we put trust in the very 'authorities,' 'laws,' 'powers,' and 'enforcers' that inflict so much harm and damage?The line has to be drawn. My line may be further in one direction or another than yours. I would look to find where they entercept, because how else could i feel comfortable discussing these needful things wihtout the hope of agreement?Personally I tend to agree with whig about the current anti-war protests, but for a different reason- I feel no need to enter into the debate tho-As far as the rainbow is concerned there is an element to consider. IN an earlier post in this thread, there's a link FoM offered to a story about 4 young men being busted for shrooms, and herb. They passively resisted, and ohmed, held hands, pissed off the bloodthirsty (my word) local sheriffs, and will no doubt result in incredible BS, paperwork, expense, and maybe even jail time. In my estimation as a drug war survivor, they were obviously novices, and laboring under the illusion of our government as being anything but benevolent, or they would have found other alternatives to be caught holding in such a 'hot' environment. However they did not DESERVE to be singled out and set up for years of hassle, because of either their choice of medicine-sacred or otherwise- or their association with "Rainbow", by profile or admission.People go to the gathering not to protest unfair usurpation of our constituional rights (OK a handful of wannabe politicians do) but to share things of a spiritual nature. People go there for the same reasons anybody goes to church, shopping, or to a concert or fair. WHY IS THAT ILLEGAL? Because we like to smoke marijuana when we pray, and when we dance, and sing. That's why. The rainbow gathering has been the frontlines of the drug war for a long time. The fact that it has almost always been peaceful from the 'hippy' side is why it remains relatively unknown to this day.Now I have stated that I have issues with some few people who by their arrogant assumption of false authority within the 'rainbow family' may have landed the rainbow in it's inevitable end, but the beauty and wonder and magic I found there remains inside of me and many others. If I thought that even a small minute amount of that did not still exist there in that place that we carry inside that only happens when we assemble-anywhere, then I would surely cut off the remaining strings that bind me to it.I go to see if it is truly over, or of like other aspects of this new age we are entering, it has matured as well. I will risk the barking dogs, because I serve a higher calling. If it is the will of My Father to go up before the magistrate to inform them once again of the truth, then so be it, I am much more prepared. If I can possibly avoid it I will, and I believe I can, because I don't go there for that purpose.
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Comment #117 posted by Toker00 on June 24, 2006 at 19:16:02 PT

God bless you, Hope.
Thank you.Toke.
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Comment #116 posted by Hope on June 24, 2006 at 19:05:44 PT

Toker
I believe in protests, marches, and vigils. Very much!My son took me to my first one in downtown Nashville. There were large crowds and someone had a sign that read "Honk if you want to legalize Marijuana!" Nearly every car that went by honked and their were many encouraging whoops and hollers among passers by.The next time, I was in it myself, in Austin. I can't do any of that stuff regularly though because of obligations here. I do know that first one I saw gave people an opportunity to passers by to discuss the WoD and everytime they do...it gets easier to say what they think about it. You practically have to discuss it if you see protesters.It did give us the opportunity to discuss it and everyone else who passed and waved and honked had an opportunity to discuss it, too. That is good.If some things aren't said or done publicly...most people will never think that we have a problem with prohibition. When they see people marching and carrying signs...they know someone cares.I'm thankful for what you do, Toker, and I'm still thrilled that I got to participate in a major one. It was a high point in my life, I think. (No pun intended.)
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Comment #115 posted by FoM on June 24, 2006 at 18:46:41 PT

museman
All a soldier is to me is a young man or woman who desperately needs a job. They join to get away from home and think they will be able to stand tall and proud. They are taught to kill. They do kill. They come home all twisted. A person can't ever be just normal after killing someone in a war. Young people believe they can fix things but soon they find out it's not true. I asked my husband just now about Vets and being a pacifist or a gung ho type person. He said they become pacifists the ones he knows. No more war. No more lies. 
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Comment #114 posted by museman on June 24, 2006 at 18:34:50 PT

FoM
It is good that you send your prayers, love and concern to those young men and women. Having been a volunteer myself once (I enlisted to avoid the draft) I think that it is important.In the miltary there are codes that have been in place for centuries, the comradery and 'family' type atmosphere (the very rigid, structured type) is a result of their technique of programming, which is carried out in 'basic training.' They've made some very humorous movies about it, but they have not even got close to the truth. They break you, and then remake you in the collective image of the contemporary soldier, which in attitude, and imprinted belief is not much different than any soldier in any war, ever. There are the grizzled old warriors running the hierarchy of command, the younger grizzled warriors currently in mid command, and the fodder, out of which will come warriors and survivors. Out of that will come swelling of the ranks of 'law enforcement' everywhere. And a lot of sorrow, destruction, and pain.We have established that the human brain does not reach actual maturity until the age of 25. Does everyone understands what that means in terms of the young men and women dying in Iraq, and Afghanistan - just Americans I'm talking about-? As many wise men and women have known through the ages. The Powers and Principalities FIGHT THEIR WARS WITH CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!They are despicable, deplorable, miserable excuses for human beings to exploit the youth in such an evil manner, and If I believed in vegeance, or capital punishment, I know one monkeypresidentimpostor who would die screaming for mercy..and take a very long time doing it. But I don't believe that way, and I know forgiveness is a purer, higher power than all mans 'mighty' armies and WMDs.Love, mercy, understanding, charity, grace, and unbending allegiance to the Most High Creator shall always be there to heal the wounds of the body, mind and spirt, if the soul allows. The prayers of the 'upright' are a powerful thing.I believe that prayer is an untapped resource of unllimited potential.They need it, each and every one if the survivors are not to be scarred for life or worse, get to like it.
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Comment #113 posted by Toker00 on June 24, 2006 at 18:14:59 PT

So, what is your trip, whig?
Do you intend to continue singling me out so you can belittle me in your make believe world of non-violence and no confrontation? You would go to this event knowing there's a good possibility you could get arrested and cited and fined for not having a permit? Probation is not even worth the hassle. I would go to this gathering if it were organized and legal. And I understand the part about how everyone of us should be able to assemble on public land. But the reality is, the authorities are going to hassle as many rainbow people and provoke as many as they can to make it look like a chaotic gathering instead of the peaceful gathering it could be, if it weren't for the Drug War. And in reality, who is provoking who, if the permit is ignored? I don't understand your concern about the traffic and holding people up at a protest. Is it really such a bother for you to drive an extra block to get around the "gathering"? When we march, we march on the sidewalk, and don't shut down traffic. I told you before, the people we try to reach are the ones DRIVING PAST US, and the ones in the stores and offices we pass, and the City Authorities. The only obstruction to traffic is when an area is roped off for the gathering to have a large enough area to move around safely, or just long enough for us to cross the freakin' street. THERE ARE NO TRAFFIC JAMS. I'm really shocked that you continue pointing me out for attending legal, organized, and permitted protests, yet heckle me if I wouldn't go to one less organized, no permits, and the potential to add great financial and legal difficulty to ones life.I would appreciate it if you would fight your battle your own way, and stop putting those of us down who chose to protest in public legally and peacefully. I believe in peace and love and liberty as much as anyone else. And if there is a gathering that I believe would make a difference in ending the Drug War, I would attend, permit or not. I would also take more chances if I made a little more money to compensate for legal fees. But, I do what I can with what I have. And I DON'T take unnecessary risks.Toke.  
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Comment #112 posted by FoM on June 24, 2006 at 17:57:11 PT

museman
I am so glad you have the words and have the music in your head. I would love to hear you sing the songs. All the songs are special but Families really touched me since the soldiers are always in my mind. ( I'm living with war everyday) I don't want them hurt.
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Comment #111 posted by museman on June 24, 2006 at 17:43:16 PT

oops
I meant I FEEL so much better about Neil.
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Comment #110 posted by museman on June 24, 2006 at 17:42:07 PT

LWW
Rest assured I will listen many times, and savor each one. I already heard every word, read them and felt them enter into my own heart and mind. They are echoing in my head right now. I might even learn to play a couple of 'em. I have the lyrics, thnks to had enough, and the opportunity to get the whole picture. I fell so much better about Neil now, but of course you already knew that would happen didn't ya?
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Comment #109 posted by FoM on June 24, 2006 at 17:39:43 PT

Had Enough 
I'm glad she liked them. They are beautiful. The Germans breed the best horses and dogs. The breeding programs are supported by the country. A Westphalian is named because of where the breed originated. The same with the Hanoverian and Holsteiner and Trakehner and others. They are selectively bred and only the best are allowed to stand at stud and the rest are gelded and sold. People travel to Europe and buy them and bring them back to the states.
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Comment #108 posted by museman on June 24, 2006 at 17:36:36 PT

freedom
"They were highly uncooperative," Kelliher said. "They refused to succumb to our commands."REFUSED to "SUCCUMB" to OUR "DEMANDS"Hell I'd refuse too, damn demonic monkey worshippers.
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Comment #107 posted by museman on June 24, 2006 at 17:32:11 PT

whig
"You said you had lost your driver's license for 25 years? How did you fix that?"I flew under the radar long enough without getting stopped for the California 20 year statute of limitations to kick in. 7 years in Colorado without getting stopped cleared Oregons 5 year statute, and of course there was the required reinstatement fees.Funny thing though, 9 months after Oregon, california, and Washington (all states where I got stopped without a license) granted me my driving 'priviledge', the silly county I live in decided to suspend my license again (without telling me) because of 10 hours of community service I wasn't able to complete 10 years before (I had run a stoplight in front of a cop, and I actually went to court to plead guilty because I was.) Apparently the state statute was trumped by the county. They gave me another 72 hours of commmunity service (60 of which I'd already done for this 'crime' 10 years before) which some local folks set me up as a computer instructor for the welfare job seekers. I finished that paid $20 to insure that the county wasn't liable in case the strain was too much and I died or something, but they still wanted $40 more dollars as an 'non-negotiable' fine.When I went to the courthouse to deal with it they refused to let me talk to a judge, so I decided that they were just going to have to arrest me so that THEN I could talk to a judge. They never did, and since all they ever really want is money- they wanted $40 and I refused to pay because it was just too damn unfair- when I got my settlement from the VA, I paid $50 ($10 interest) and got my license reinstated. SO they can kiss my u no what. I was insured for 3 years without a license since that is considered the greater offense-got to keep feeding the rich.Here is a truth that I learned while 'flying under the radar'; cops are like dogs (in more ways than one) they smell fear, and if you can walk amongst them without fear or guilt, they can have no clue as to what you are really about. Have just one doubt and they will be all over you like flies on feces. I have tested this from the Pacific to the Atlantic, in courtrooms in 3 different states, and I guarantee it's true.
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Comment #106 posted by FoM on June 24, 2006 at 16:32:47 PT

Peace, Love and Probation
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4798812,00.html
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Comment #105 posted by Had Enough on June 24, 2006 at 16:29:55 PT

Of Course a Horse
FoM #98I clicked that link, showed it to her.She likes those horses. I saw that look in her face when she first glanced, then got closer and checked them out.

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Comment #104 posted by FoM on June 24, 2006 at 16:03:16 PT

Four Rainbows Arrested
http://www.summitdaily.com/article/20060624/NEWS/106240049
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Comment #103 posted by whig on June 24, 2006 at 15:40:15 PT

museman
You said you had lost your driver's license for 25 years? How did you fix that?
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Comment #102 posted by FoM on June 24, 2006 at 15:33:54 PT

museman
I put the lyrics on this page. The more you hear it the more you will get from this album. I didn't realize until I read it on the rust list that the song Families was a song sung like it was the words of a soldier in Iraq to his family in the USA after he was killed in Iraq.http://www.freedomtoexhale.com/lww.htm
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Comment #101 posted by Had Enough on June 24, 2006 at 15:33:02 PT

Cartwheels & Handstands
“My reaction was perhaps less youthful than your description”After you’ve heard it another 20 times, you will cartwheel, I’m sure. Every time you hear it you find something else. Like an Easter Egg Hunt. Every note, instrument, word, and even the tones of the instruments were strategically placed. Those horns have to be a reference to the border issue. A Masterpiece.

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Comment #100 posted by museman on June 24, 2006 at 15:24:42 PT

whig
"And if there are some people who think they can speak for the whole group, you and the rest of the group can say otherwise. You can tell them directly that they do not speak for anyone but themselves, but where agreement exists people can all speak their Amens."Actually that is real close to being exactly what I intend to do.The news is tense concerning it, and legal logistics may still hinder us from going, because I intend to be so legal I have fun while they try to find something. If there are any immediately unsolvable issues with registration/insurance on either of the vehicles we intend to take, we won't take any chances.Fortunately with the current 'plugged in' network, news can be got that is rather fresh,and that can be very advantageous. Not like having to go by the word of mouth grapevine like it used to be.
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Comment #99 posted by museman on June 24, 2006 at 15:16:28 PT

Had Enough: LWW
Man the dude has still got it. My reaction was perhaps less youthful than your description, as a musician even Neil has to get past my ingrained analytical perspective, and he did. The one that nailed it for me was "Don't need no more lies"It just seems to me even more after hearing through (and I actually got to listen to the whole thing without one single kid interupting - that my friend was a magical event in itself!) that something like R.A.W. should happen!Neil (as well as others) has got to get behind the concept.I cried with understanding, pain and joy. No we never did leave, just got into some major distraction, but lookout 'cause freedom ain't no 'minor issue'in America.There comes a time when a human must put down their implements of slavery, and look into the eyes of their fat task-masters and say ENOUGH!There comes a time when true bravery must manifest itself un-armed but resolute in the face of such folly as we are being forced to confront on a daily basis, and bravely stand in the way of the monstrous Leviathan and state a resounding NO! GET OFF THAT MONSTERS' WAY BROTHERS AND SISTERS QUICK BEFORE IT ALL GOES OVER THE INEVITABLE CLIFF!There does come a time when even threats of violence and death cannot stop the true hero from pointing to such abominations as our monkey-emperor and exclaiming "He is naked!"That time has come.
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Comment #98 posted by FoM on June 24, 2006 at 15:15:17 PT

Had Enough
The color of that jumping horse is dapple gray. They can look like an appalossa with the dappling but they are solid in color with only face and legs that can be white. They can be bay, brown, gray or chestnut in color but the body must be solid in color. Your bride might like to check out what the breed is I had and I still have one but it's in another part of the state with a friend.http://www.westphalians.com/ourhorses.htm
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Comment #97 posted by Had Enough on June 24, 2006 at 15:11:50 PT

and
She recognized the name Man O War, right off the bat.

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Comment #96 posted by Had Enough on June 24, 2006 at 14:59:59 PT

A Horse is a Horse, of course.
FoM #49 PictureShowed picture of horse to my bride. She thinks it’s an Appaloosa. She said that she hasn’t heard of a German Warmblood. She thinks that the German Warmblood might have come along since she has been away from dealing with horses. She also told me to let you know that it has been 30yrs since her last horse.She showed me the spots/markings on its hindquarter. She said in the summer time the hair thins out and you see more spots, and sometimes they cover the whole body. That is why she thinks it’s an Appaloosa.I for one, am out of my league here, I have very little experience with horses. I couldn't tell you the differences between a Tennessee Walker and an Appaloosa. But I remember my friends, “Flika”, Trigger, and Silver, and what they looked like. And Let’s not leave out Mr. Ed.

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Comment #95 posted by Hope on June 24, 2006 at 14:55:18 PT

  gw
Yes, gw. I'm alright. Thanks for asking. That profound exhaustion was last evening after an afternoon of heavy physical labor at the farm. I saw what you guys said but just didn't have the energy to reply. Tried once and messed it up so I waited until this morning to try and reply.But I'm fine now. Thanks.
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Comment #94 posted by global_warming on June 24, 2006 at 13:52:10 PT

god is a Libertarian
have you payed your 'mortgage?have a great evening
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Comment #93 posted by whig on June 24, 2006 at 13:47:33 PT

OT: another
God is not a Democrat, but the Devil is a Republican.
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Comment #92 posted by whig on June 24, 2006 at 13:46:28 PT

OT: Found elsewhere
"There is a road to freedom. Its milestones are Obedience, Endeavor, Honesty, Order, Cleanliness, Sobriety, Truthfulness, Sacrifice, and love of the Fatherland." [Message, signed Hitler, painted on walls of concentration camps; Life, August 21, 1939]
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Comment #91 posted by global_warming on June 24, 2006 at 13:44:07 PT

your place
vote smartbe smartthere are so many dead,tell me,how this is better,
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Comment #90 posted by global_warming on June 24, 2006 at 13:35:08 PT

prepare
to receive
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Comment #89 posted by global_warming on June 24, 2006 at 13:28:51 PT

hey hope
you ok?if there was ever hope and cnewsnews of the cancer in our familywould be heard first here,at cnewsand may God Bless You
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Comment #88 posted by Hope on June 24, 2006 at 13:17:44 PT

Had Enough
I was too tired to type...barely could read...but I enjoyed reading about your evening of music.
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Comment #87 posted by global_warming on June 24, 2006 at 13:14:30 PT

re: smoking weed
getting high and Godthe economic footprint is getting smallerCannabis prohibitionIs becoming untenable,There are not sustainable prisons,There are enough lawyers or judgesWho have not inhaled
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Comment #86 posted by whig on June 24, 2006 at 13:00:18 PT

museman/Toker00
You know, it's interesting that Toker00 says this is the kind of thing he won't do, while I have done things like this. I don't see it as the same category as protesting. This is just free association in a way that harms or inconveniences nobody, the only reason it is "confrontational" with the police is because they (the police) choose to make it into a confrontation.My objection to protest marches was more in how it affects uninvolved bystanders, who might be held up in traffic on account of the march, and who will likely feel annoyed at the organizers as a consequence. Also, protests are targeted against people and things we don't like, and those are people who are not going to care what we say to them anyhow because they hate what we stand for and who we are.I don't have any similar objection to a Family Gathering, by whatever name it is called. Nobody has any cause to object to it unless they make themselves care. So I considered it last night and I said be prepared, but I didn't say you shouldn't go.And if there are some people who think they can speak for the whole group, you and the rest of the group can say otherwise. You can tell them directly that they do not speak for anyone but themselves, but where agreement exists people can all speak their Amens.
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Comment #85 posted by Had Enough on June 24, 2006 at 12:59:55 PT

museman #80
I think that we all will know here, when you hear that sound. Your gonna love it. You will do cartwheels, handstands, and run around yelling we're back, we're back. :)But we never left did we?
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Comment #84 posted by global_warming on June 24, 2006 at 12:59:17 PT

re: paranoia
If you are 'paranoid,Like a modern diabetichave you considered your place?
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Comment #83 posted by global_warming on June 24, 2006 at 12:52:59 PT

it was
a commune

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Comment #82 posted by global_warming on June 24, 2006 at 12:50:51 PT

wonder 
what become of those folks?
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Comment #81 posted by global_warming on June 24, 2006 at 12:49:51 PT

years ago
in coloradovisited a place calledthe chicken farm
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Comment #80 posted by museman on June 24, 2006 at 12:35:04 PT

Had Enough
Not yet, but soon -have old (rainbow) friend visiting. As soon as we finish I go..thnks for the reminder.
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Comment #79 posted by Had Enough on June 24, 2006 at 12:30:13 PT

Re:71 Hope
“Lord of Sparks...without the cage...but with an old car hood was a past time of young men and boys around here before the cops stopped you doing anything so dangerous. 
They'd find a big old hood off an old car and tie it behind their cars and some or one would ride in the metal "sled" made of the old hood as it was being dragged down the highway. The sparks did fly. So did boys.”Gives real meaning to the term “Boys in the Hood”Museman. Been to the Post Office today by chance?

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Comment #78 posted by global_warming on June 24, 2006 at 12:23:34 PT

may the hand
of the Mysterious God,ever protect you Museman,
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Comment #77 posted by museman on June 24, 2006 at 12:17:46 PT

rainbow
Thank you for your concern folks. I have to tell you that this is realy nothing new, albeit stepped up a few notches. I've run that gauntlet before. One thing to note, is that this tactic of harrasment and petty accusation on the part of the feds is S.O.P. since 1984 when they broke our barrier of 'no guns' and came into the camp armed and ready to bust. That year was fairly minor, but their net caught me for a torn trip permit (and no license), and the results made me an 'illegal' driver for over 25 years.When the 1st approaches, so does the media. I am willing to bet that the hassles stop for about a week.One thing we have always agreed on "Pay no attention to runors or claims from anyone that the Gathering won't happen, or is denied, because the Gathering will go on."However I will be careful, I have no intention to be a martyr for the Rainbow, as a social group they got the same jokers at the top as any other city or town. There was a time when i would have gone to jail for the 'ideals' of the rainbow, but since those ideas became the exclusive pervue of the rainbow elite, I kind of lost my impetus.The kind of reception I have gotten from the AGR and now the yahoo group isn't one that encourages me, however I have personal issues that I need to get closure on, and I have to go there to get it.I pay no attention to those rainbows who claim to be 'spokesmen', or 'representatives' of the Rainbow, because that is the ultimate hypocrisy on the rainbow credo of 'no leaders.' I pay no attention to those who do this. In one of those articles they mentioned a cat named 'Henry the Fiddler' well folks that is definitely NOT one to believe. He is the epitomy of why I, and so many other folks left the Rainbow in the 80's.The rainbow is unfortunately not what it used to be, but within it's boundaries are some remarkable people, and you just have to learn the signs of the humble versus the arrogant, then the characters are dead giveaways, and you can avoid the scams and schemes of such like I mentioned.*********Permits.In 1976 the BLM was formed as a police force. The feds passed numerous laws about 'forest regulation' including the 'permit' scenario. Some people who used to camp out for free in forest service campgrounds may have noticed that after 1976 they started charging 'fees for camping, and were given the authority to arrest you for violating it. 1976 folks.The forest service infiltrated the Rainbow with a couple of 'special' officers who were the official liason between the fed and the rainbow. For years the forest service gave good ratings and reviews of the way the Rainbow handled the environmental impact, and always left the site in pristine shape, including reseeding of native plants.Until 1984 and reagans official announcement of the W.O.D. there was good relations between the forest service and the rainbow, even though the feds had tried since the beginning to cause problems.In 1984 there was a showdown between the Rainbow and the feds at the Cochise Stronghold in Arizona. It is quite a tale, complete with Rainbow scouts occupying the tall rock towers as lookouts-similar to Cochise's own, and the Calvalry of 30 feds and sheriffs riding in from 3 directions to confront us.An 'ultimatum' was given to the BLM representative in an emotional and solemn ceremony, expressing our collective adamant refusal to allow the usurpation of our constitutional right to gather. It was powerful and moving, inspiring even, but as in most public presentations there is always more than meets the eye.You see, one of the so-called 'High Hippy Elders' (which meant they were part of the 'inner circle') had very stupidly signed a special-use permit, and was at that very moment in jail and fighting for bail because of it. So while we were confronting the calvary, armed with songs and guitars, and what we thought was a truth we all shared, the ones who were leading (while claiming to not be leaders) by various means had already given in, and it was too late-the precedent was set.Ultimately those few elite paid an unfair penalty for that, but we all lost (as far as I am concerned) the last bastion of liberty and freedom in the United States.There is still a moral battle going on, but the legal battle was lost in 1984 as described. I am not concerned with that. I have a moral and personal obligation to finish my rainbow business, and maybe help establish a better alternative. I am also not intimidated by thugs with badges and guns, nor their false authority of black robed judges. I've been there enough times to know what's up. They can hurl whatever at me, but they can't see what I see, or know or feel it either-wish they could. So don't worry, I'm an old 'rainbow veteran' and it wouldn't be the first police barricade I've had to get around to find freedom.
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Comment #76 posted by global_warming on June 24, 2006 at 12:10:51 PT

re: that article
MICHAEL POLLAN: You know, it’s a real hard issue whether sustainable
agriculture can feed the world. I don’t know the answer. I do know a couple of
things. Industrial agriculture is not now feeding the world. There are enormous
issues of equity and distribution. There is plenty of food that’s grown—there’s
enough being grown to feed the world—but it’s concentrated in the hands of the
people who have the money. Whether there is enough food is not the issue: it’s
who commands it.Who commands it?True power only comes from God.
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Comment #75 posted by global_warming on June 24, 2006 at 11:40:03 PT

sorry hope
that i drew a comparisonto dragging and riding an old chunk of steelto that black mans end,
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Comment #74 posted by global_warming on June 24, 2006 at 11:36:40 PT

ah, youthful pleasures
kinda like President Clinton who did not inhale that marijuana,or George Bush and his Ex-Cocaine habit, 
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Comment #73 posted by Hope on June 24, 2006 at 11:33:29 PT

No, gw.
Some murderers killed a man by dragging him to death behind a truck or car or something. It was horrible. It still makes me ill to remember that tragedy. It was a terrible time and it will always live in infamy.Those guys were "Brute beasts"...."fit for destruction".These kids "riding the hood" were voluntarily and enthusiastically doing so. My ex-husband among them.
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Comment #72 posted by global_warming on June 24, 2006 at 11:19:20 PT

did not some old boys 
do something like that a while back with some black man?
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Comment #71 posted by Hope on June 24, 2006 at 11:03:29 PT

ZZ Top
Zig Zags and Top papers!Dusty Rhodes came from this neck of the woods. I saw him a parade once, and although I'm a fan, I thought he was someone who had won a beard growing contest for the festivities. His beard appeared to be below waist length. He was so nice, even just driving by. He spoke to one of my daughters about how he liked her shoes. (Hot pink, calf high, plastic Jerusalem Cruisers).Lord of Sparks...without the cage...but with an old car hood was a past time of young men and boys around here before the cops stopped you doing anything so dangerous. They'd find a big old hood off an old car and tie it behind their cars and some or one would ride in the metal "sled" made of the old hood as it was being dragged down the highway. The sparks did fly. So did boys.
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Comment #70 posted by global_warming on June 24, 2006 at 11:01:09 PT

you are welcome
it is a nice essay and it is a bit long, glad you enjoyed it, I did.

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Comment #69 posted by whig on June 24, 2006 at 10:13:21 PT

gw #64
This is a really great essay that I started reading this morning, but it's pretty long so I had to go out and haven't finished yet. Thanks for posting it.
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Comment #68 posted by Dankhank on June 24, 2006 at 09:29:31 PT

More on Rainbow ...
http://www.steamboatpilot.com/section/frontpage_lead/story/37829
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Comment #67 posted by Dankhank on June 24, 2006 at 09:16:08 PT

Rainbow
The Rainbow philosophy is simple.Americans collectively own all federal lands.No American is required to have a permit to stay on their own land.Rainbow family collects together to further peace.Rainbow gatherings are open to all regardless of race, creed, color or political party.Two exceptions come to mind.Dogs and drunks are encouraged to gather in A-camp.My family went to Oregon for the gathering in 1994.A beautiful week of peace and love.Tom and Rollie could probably tell you about meeting on private land.http://www3.iath.virginia.edu/lists_archive/sixties-l/3948.html
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Comment #66 posted by mayan on June 24, 2006 at 05:53:32 PT

Misc.
Robert Altman Enjoying More Marijuana In Pill Form:
http://www.postchronicle.com/news/entertainment/tittletattle/article_21224881.shtmlFederal court could allow city to create medical marijuana shop:
http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2006/June/24/local/stories/02local.htmMarijuana initiative aims for low priority:
http://www.missoulian.com/articles/2006/06/24/news/local/news04.txt
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Comment #65 posted by mayan on June 24, 2006 at 05:34:22 PT

The Brewing Backlash
I believe this Nevada deal just might pass. By the time November comes around folks are going to be so tired of the fascists that they will cast "backlash votes" for regulation. The Rainbow family should be allowed to gather on public lands. If there was an organization called "Neo-Fascists For Bush" you can bet they would get a permit! The Daily Regulator:
http://www.regulatemarijuana.org/home/THE WAY OUT IS THE WAY IN...Journal of 9/11 Studies: 
http://www.journalof911studies.com/Molten Metal WTC Thermite Video:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ExrVgioIXvk&search=thermiteThe WTC Controlled Demolitions:
http://www.911truestory.com/New BBC Footage Mentions Low Explosion and Shows North Tower Collapse (scroll down):
http://www.911blogger.com/2006/06/new-bbc-footage-mentions-low-explosion.htmlExperts Continue to Expose the 9/11 Fraud:
http://www.unobserver.com/index.php?pagina=layout3.php&id=2443&blz=1THE HIDDEN HISTORY OF 9-11-2001:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/PZarembka/volume23.htm

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Comment #64 posted by global_warming on June 24, 2006 at 04:45:02 PT

interesting
http://townsendcenter.berkeley.edu/pubs/OP27_Pollan.pdfCANNABIS, FORGETTING, AND THE BOTANY OF DESIRE
MICHAEL POLLAN
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Comment #63 posted by Toker00 on June 24, 2006 at 04:32:42 PT

Had enough, FoM
I combined riding animals and race car driving one time. I rode the bull at Gilley's! Successfully! The only thing that didn't give me that "free" feeling, was my legs and torso being extremely sore for two weeks afterward.I hate to hear that about the Rainbow Family gathering. They need to find an alternative site. If not, it should be canceled. Confrontation is not a good thing right now. The DEA are mad, what with all the drug law reform going on in Colorado, and the Bush Administration is MAD (as in crazy). Now whig, this is something I would not be invovled in. I would love to go to something like this, but not when there could be a major confrontation with authority, and especially where the permit was denied. There is a cruel majority out there just waiting for an opportunity to kill a bunch of hippies and blame it on "marijuana". Someone needs to be taking every inch of video footage they can if it comes to a standoff. If any violence comes from the Family, it's all over for hippies everywhere. Can't they gather on private land without a permit? Someone with a bunch aof privately owned land in Colorado needs to step up. Museman, be careful.Oh, I don't know, Taylor121. Maybe it's just that unending faith I have that people everywhere will soon be educated enough about cannabis, and prohibition of it, to connect the dot of Prohibition I to the second dot, Prohibition II. They are both so absolutely connected, and both are the same failed policy. What about the people you talk to and hang with in Texas? Are you changing minds and winning hearts for Cannabis? Wage peace on war. END CANNABIS PROHIBITION NOW?
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Comment #62 posted by Had Enough on June 23, 2006 at 23:09:03 PT

Westnyc #34
Last Blast for the night.ZZ Top: "Gimme all your lovin, all your hugs and kisses too."A while back that is what Hope said she was going to do to g_w, during the “Victory Jam” at FoM’s place. :)Thank You all. What a website!!!

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Comment #61 posted by whig on June 23, 2006 at 21:57:36 PT

museman
It seems to me that the upcoming Rainbow Gathering is being framed as a confrontation over permits, and could be less than the peaceful environment you might hope for. Be prepared for that.
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Comment #60 posted by FoM on June 23, 2006 at 21:41:44 PT

Museman Please be Careful
Rain on Rainbow Family Event***U.S. Forest Service denies permit for group's gathering By Charlie Brennan, Rocky Mountain News June 23, 2006The U.S. Forest Service said late Thursday that it has denied the Rainbow Family a permit for its gathering early next month in the Routt National Forest north of Steamboat Springs. Also, an unspecified number of Colorado State Patrol troopers, sheriff's deputies and municipal police officers from across the state will soon join a 42-member National Incident Management Team already at the Rainbow Family's intended gathering site about 35 miles north of the resort town. The request for more police came from Routt County Sheriff John Warner. http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4795586,00.html

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Comment #59 posted by FoM on June 23, 2006 at 20:35:06 PT

Had Enough
My first horse was a thoroughbred. He was the grandson of Man O War. His name was Trail Blazer and was 17 hands high. I was 4'11" when I was 12 when I got him. He was a great horse. He taught me how to ride and jump. He was a very experienced 9 year old. I had a couple more thoroughbreds and bred and raised two thoroughbred foals. 
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Comment #58 posted by Had Enough on June 23, 2006 at 20:28:10 PT

Thorughbred
I'm lame when it comes to horses. I have little experience with horses, but have been around them some, I would consult the bride but she looks like she is almost asleep. I will show it to her tommorow.
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Comment #57 posted by FoM on June 23, 2006 at 20:27:25 PT

museman
Thank you. I think I understand what it is about. It seems like it would be a wonderful experience. Will you be taking pictures for us to see when you get back?
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Comment #56 posted by FoM on June 23, 2006 at 20:23:15 PT

Had Enough
That horse looks like a Warmblood. We had German Warmbloods. I had two of them that had the German Westphalian Brand on their neck and one on the hip. They are very powerful animals. They have lots of heart.
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Comment #55 posted by Had Enough on June 23, 2006 at 20:22:36 PT

and
If it feels good; Do it.
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Comment #54 posted by Had Enough on June 23, 2006 at 20:20:57 PT

Its all relative
You know the feeling, nothing else like it. Pushing the envelope, and surviving. You can't feel it unless you do it.
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Comment #53 posted by FoM on June 23, 2006 at 20:17:14 PT

Had Enough
No that's not me but that's what I did. Being in the air on a horse going over a fence is the ultimate in feeling free to me. 
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Comment #52 posted by Had Enough on June 23, 2006 at 20:14:25 PT

Just looked at picture again.
Magnificent horse too!

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Comment #51 posted by museman on June 23, 2006 at 20:09:38 PT

FoM #38
"I don't understand what the purpose of the Rainbow Gathering is."Well I could be punny and say "I don't understand the purpose of the Rainbow Gathering either."But since you asked I'll be glad to give some of my perspective. Of course in some ways it's old and out of date but I guess that's one of the things I'm going to see and find out.There is no 'one purpose' of the Rainbow Gatherings that I have been familiar with, though many would agree that 'praying for peace' is the 'universal' part of it.It's really a gathering of purposes. People go to be healed, to heal, to trade, to meet their life partners, to share time and understanding, on Missions From God, and out of plain curiosity.Since I haven't been to a national in over 20 years I know that a lot of things have changed, they'd have to, but I never really left, I just got real scarce for a while.For me and so many others it was the last place left on earth where you could be just exactly what you were
in a peaceful, and hopefully joyful manner. A place where freedom was apparent and not just a concept.It was the ground zero of some pretty cosmic experience, and resembled many things (to me); from the tribal circles of lodges, an echo of this land before certain things happened, to the gathering of the 144,000 chosen of God, and a whole lot in between. "It's like a great big family reunion." It has been said of it.Of course there is the 'dark side' as well, but most likely not the pictures that the press and government paint. After all while expressing our peaceful, respectful freedoms we quite often have used marijuana as a sacrament, and the very idea of it as a sacrament found rather fertile ground there. There's a lot of warriors at a Rainbow Gathering. Most times that is good, but sometimes the government and their 'friends' have hurt the brothers and sisters, even murdered them (West Virginia 1980.)There was nothing like it ever in the world in the early days. I imagine some element of that still survives.
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Comment #50 posted by Had Enough on June 23, 2006 at 20:09:17 PT

Picture
Is that you? Cooool, You know the feeling. That picture was taken at the perfect time.My bride was into horses. She lived in Philly for a while and worked at one of the tracks. That was a long time ago, but she still talks about it. "Feelings"
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Comment #49 posted by FoM on June 23, 2006 at 20:04:01 PT

Had Enough
This picture is what I did and loved and will never forget. It was always a thrill to me.http://www.hamiltoncsi.com/images/HORSE%20Jumping027.jpg
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Comment #48 posted by Had Enough on June 23, 2006 at 20:03:28 PT

I Guess
There is no better feelings than “Feelings”

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Comment #47 posted by Had Enough on June 23, 2006 at 19:57:51 PT

Visitation
Visitor just left.ZZ Top is back on, then the “Mamas and the Papas” are next in the cue.

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Comment #46 posted by Had Enough on June 23, 2006 at 19:46:38 PT

Feeling Drag Racing
Same as in running through the 1/8 mi drag strip, in a very powerful machine just jamin gears hoping everything holds together and shrapnel doesn’t come through the floor. And when it does (hold together), that feeling shows up again.

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Comment #45 posted by rchandar on June 23, 2006 at 19:44:56 PT:

westnyc
they come runnin' just as fast as they can,
cos' ev'ry girl crazy 'bout a sharp dressed man.
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Comment #44 posted by FoM on June 23, 2006 at 19:44:17 PT

Had Enough
I understand what you mean.
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Comment #43 posted by Had Enough on June 23, 2006 at 19:34:57 PT

Bikes
Like riding a Harley.
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Comment #42 posted by Had Enough on June 23, 2006 at 19:33:52 PT

Memories
Its more than a memory, Its a feeling that never leaves you.
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Comment #41 posted by FoM on June 23, 2006 at 19:26:53 PT

Had Enough
That sounds like a great memory.
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Comment #40 posted by Had Enough on June 23, 2006 at 19:11:29 PT

Museman
Thanks for the update, keep me posted. It went out late Tues. They said 2 day. That means 3 to 4 to me. Your gonna love it. Can’t wait for your review :) I’m sure FoM is anxious too.FoM. In the very last band I had the pleasure of being in, we played that song. We loved it. When we played it on stage, you could see the crowd rockin. There is no better feeling than entertaining others, and watching them enjoy themselves over something you are playing for them.Visitor still here. Sounds like he will be leaving soon.

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Comment #39 posted by FoM on June 23, 2006 at 19:04:41 PT

whig 
Thank you.
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Comment #38 posted by FoM on June 23, 2006 at 19:02:02 PT

 museman 
I noticed. I get the Digest. I don't understand what the purpose of the Rainbow Gathering is. 
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Comment #37 posted by FoM on June 23, 2006 at 18:54:36 PT

ZZ Top: Sharp Dressed Man
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PfRMFO-we20&search=ZZ%20Top
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Comment #36 posted by museman on June 23, 2006 at 18:50:03 PT

today in the music
I checked the P.O. for LWW. Not yet. Maybe tomorrow. Got myself into a thicket over on the rainbow yahoo newsgroup talking about R.A.W. Thorns aplenty.Much friendlier here.
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Comment #35 posted by Had Enough on June 23, 2006 at 18:49:32 PT

“Eliminations”
“Eliminations”ZZ top car “Eliminator", eliminated. Oh No!!! I love those style Hot Rods.  I always wanted to build one similar to that. Maybe I can still do that if I’m fortunate enough, but…

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Comment #34 posted by westnyc on June 23, 2006 at 18:39:48 PT

Gotta love ZZ
"Gimme all your lovin, all your hugs and kisses too." 
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Comment #33 posted by whig on June 23, 2006 at 18:38:42 PT

Had Enough
The music works, doesn't it?Love watching that happen, and when it works so well, the expressions on people's faces. It's just amazing. Wish I could see how we all looked here like we were actually sitting around and passing a peace pipe.
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Comment #32 posted by Had Enough on June 23, 2006 at 18:37:40 PT

Country or Western???
No Country or Western tunes will be played at this time. If he starts liking the music he might stay longer. I want to crank the cool tunes back up.The visitor is for someone else in the house not me, so I’m just sitting back here waiting.I have a chance to expose this guy to truth, but my choice now is to let it pass, until a better opportunity arrives.ZZ Top!!! ZZ Top!!! ZZ Top!!! (with Bic Lighter held high in air)

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Comment #31 posted by westnyc on June 23, 2006 at 18:36:00 PT

ZZ's Eliminator
The car was called the "Eliminator;" and, it was stolen at a truck stop while the band was on tour several years ago. I think they eventually found it; however, it was destroyed. :-(
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Comment #30 posted by whig on June 23, 2006 at 18:31:26 PT

FoM #16
Wow! That was great, you just preached it Martha.
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Comment #29 posted by FoM on June 23, 2006 at 18:30:18 PT

Had Enough
I don't know a lot about ZZ Top but my husband really likes them. I only know Sharp Dress Man which I like. I wish they hadn't performed for Bush. I guess that's how some feel about the Dixie Chicks these days.
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Comment #28 posted by Had Enough on June 23, 2006 at 18:25:16 PT

ZZ Top - Got Hot Rod!!!
I love that Hod Rod they got. I think its a 34 - 36 Ford, not sure, but I love it.

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Comment #27 posted by FoM on June 23, 2006 at 18:18:46 PT

 Had Enough
Maybe he'd like Not Ready To Make Nice. That's a really great country song.ZZ Top is really good. When I first saw a picture of bin laden on the news he reminded me of a skinny looking member of ZZ Top. I know I'm really weird. LOL!
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Comment #26 posted by Had Enough on June 23, 2006 at 18:14:29 PT

Bummer
BummerUnexpected visitor. Likes country western. 
Out of respect, turned tunes off until he leaves. Maybe 10 minutes.ZZ Top knows how to crank.

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Comment #25 posted by Had Enough on June 23, 2006 at 17:47:37 PT

Tune Update :)
ZZ Top came up in cue.“My Heads in Mississippi” current jam.This place is rockin out!!

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Comment #24 posted by Had Enough on June 23, 2006 at 17:28:41 PT

Natures Way
Wow!!!

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Comment #23 posted by FoM on June 23, 2006 at 17:25:37 PT

Had Enough 
I know what you mean.
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Comment #22 posted by Had Enough on June 23, 2006 at 17:20:48 PT

Re: #20
Yep!!!Neil Young over (only for now).Spirit is now filling listening space at this time. "Mr. Skin" currently jamin, with more to come.

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Comment #21 posted by FoM on June 23, 2006 at 17:19:36 PT

Had Enough
Neil Young Places Three Albums in Top 200 This Week***Wednesday June 21, 2006"Heart of Gold" DVD Has First Week Sales of 78,000 BURBANK, CA--(MARKET WIRE)--Jun 21, 2006 -- Neil Young had an extremely busy week on the album sales charts this week, while his recent performance film "Heart of Gold" sold over 78,000 its debut week. All this activity is in advance of the upcoming Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young North American tour, which begins July 6th in Camden, New Jersey and continues until September 10th. 
 
Three recent releases by Reprise Records recording artist Neil Young all had large sales increases. The critically acclaimed and controversial album "Living With War," released in May, had a 53% jump in sales, while the Grammy® nominated "Prairie Wind," released last September, increased 55%, and was the sixth greatest gainer in sales on the Billboard chart. 2004's "Greatest Hits" collection rose 52%. All three albums were in Billboard's Top 200 album chart this week, a rare occurrence for any artist.http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/060621/0138158.html
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Comment #20 posted by FoM on June 23, 2006 at 17:15:28 PT

Had Enough
Lookin' for a LeaderTo bring our country homeRe-unite the red white and blueBefore it turns to stone***Lookin' for somebodyYoung enough to take it onClean up the corruptionAnd make the country strongLiving With War Lyrics: http://www.freedomtoexhale.com/lww.htm
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Comment #19 posted by Had Enough on June 23, 2006 at 17:02:50 PT

Looking For A Leader
Now Playing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Comment #18 posted by FoM on June 23, 2006 at 17:01:15 PT

Had Enough 
Living With War keeps me fair and balanced.
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Comment #17 posted by Had Enough on June 23, 2006 at 16:59:41 PT

re: #14
Living With War has become staple here too!Imagine That!!!
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Comment #16 posted by FoM on June 23, 2006 at 16:58:39 PT

global_warming
where is peace? -- fighting Bush's warwhere is Cannabis? -- being chased by Bush's administrationI am not talking heroin - I knowCannabis aka Marijuana - yes the same thingThis feud against Cannabis - major feudWill not, cannot continue - I agree with youIn this free society - freedom that's all we want

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Comment #15 posted by global_warming on June 23, 2006 at 16:40:24 PT

re: living with war
where is peace?where is Cannabis?I am not talking heroinCannabis aka MarijuanaThis feud against CannabisWill not, cannot continueIn this free society
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Comment #14 posted by FoM on June 23, 2006 at 16:37:49 PT

Had Enough 
I listen to Living With War everyday. It's like a cup of coffee in the morning. Today I was really annoyed with all the scary boo terrorist stuff that I couldn't take it anymore. I turned off the TV and watched Heart of Gold. I felt so much better after watching it. Now I'm back to the ho hum news. LOL!
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Comment #13 posted by Had Enough on June 23, 2006 at 16:28:32 PT

Tunes
Listening to Living With War, here. So are the neighbors.Thanks Neil
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Comment #12 posted by global_warming on June 23, 2006 at 16:24:18 PT

thanks
whigger, listening to some Beethoven, 7th,next they will find some way to make Beethoven illegal,
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Comment #11 posted by whig on June 23, 2006 at 16:20:11 PT

gw 
You should take up music, if you don't already play or sing. You will find it an excellent way to put into words (or expression) things you cannot express otherwise, I think.I'm sitting here listening to music this evening myself. David Bowie is singing now. The Beatles were up last. We Can Work It Out.We can, you know.Music is a channel for communicating one to another, and when the circumstances are right and we are listening with the right mental focus, we can understand what is being said. At other times, when it is only in the background, or accidental, you might not notice it but it is putting into your consciousness bits of itself. It's a language, like speaking or writing, but most of us never learn to speak it. Heck, most of us never even learn to listen, or we wouldn't have things like Britney Spears.I'm rambling, of course, but I thought I'd try to just give you a little of how my mind goes too. Putting into words how I see the world.
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Comment #10 posted by global_warming on June 23, 2006 at 16:01:04 PT

when i say 
how i see this worldi mean that i am a witness,to so much ignoranceso much savage behaviorso much angerso much waste
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Comment #9 posted by global_warming on June 23, 2006 at 15:56:50 PT

so sorry
it seems that whenever i use that awful word God,many people are turned off.I understand that the concept of GodHas a bad taste, given all the moral bloodshedThis planet has recorded,I sure wish I could writeTo put into wordsHow i see this world.
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Comment #8 posted by global_warming on June 23, 2006 at 15:41:06 PT

A Double Blessing
To the men and women users of Cannabis in Texas,Your life may not be more lived,By those poor people in Afganistan,If you have a chance to read this,Know that you have people in this worldWho fervently pray People who will stand along side youFor power to CannabisAll Power Comes From God
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Comment #7 posted by Taylor121 on June 23, 2006 at 15:33:25 PT

Toker I meant Recreational Legalization
"I really think Texas would legalize even without already having medical use"It's this comment that got my attention.
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Comment #6 posted by global_warming on June 23, 2006 at 15:25:19 PT:

re: comment # 1
there are still "dry" counties in this good old USA.
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Comment #5 posted by Toker00 on June 23, 2006 at 15:12:12 PT

FoM
That is really great! Then let me wish them a Happy Anniversary! Jerry looks good because he hasn't let them break him. And because Linda is there! Where's the judge who wanted to "break" that Love? Shame I tell ya! Shame be unto her!Toke.
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Comment #4 posted by Toker00 on June 23, 2006 at 15:06:54 PT

Taylor 121
Well, I guess I'm just going from what I know. The people I talk to, and I talk to a lot of people, are very much in support of medical cannabis, and although a bit timid of the "L" word because of the lingering brainwashing by the FEDs, would support it if they see enough benefits being created and enjoyed by other states supporting it first. But, I really do expect Texas to pass medical cannabis initiatives soon. Texas is slow, but give credit where credit is due. You used to get life in prison for a joint in Texas. I live right next to Ron Paul's district, and he is a medical cannabis supporter. Of course, I live IN Tom Delays district, but... hey didn't something happen to him when we found out he was a crook? One of our largest protest turnouts was when Cheney came to town to show support for DeLay. Were we impressed by Cheney? Hell no. DeLay is out and I don't know who is in his place right now. Maybe I better check up on that.What do you think?Toke.  
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Comment #3 posted by FoM on June 23, 2006 at 14:38:57 PT

I Just Received a Phone Call from Linda!
Linda called from Massachusetts. She has been visiting with Jerry and today is their Wedding Anniversary. Jerry is doing very well Linda said. She said he looks younger then he did when he went in. Now that's great news!
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Comment #2 posted by Taylor121 on June 23, 2006 at 14:38:56 PT

What makes you think Texas would legalize?
I'm curious Toker00. 
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Comment #1 posted by Toker00 on June 23, 2006 at 14:24:59 PT

Yes it is.
In fact, it is way past time. When this passes, it will be time to take it national. Let each state decide whether to end cannabis prohibition or not. When the ones that do, and most likely they will be the ones already with medical use, start raking in all the cash and enormous BENEFITS of this MAGNIFICENT (And I don't say that lightly) plant, and it creates a population drain in the DRY states, they will follow suite. I really think Texas would legalize even without already having medical use. Maybe I just hope it does.Wage peace on war. END CANNABIS PROHIBITION NOW!
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