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  Mary Jane Trumps Joe Camel

Posted by CN Staff on May 23, 2006 at 16:07:34 PT
By Mary Beckman, ScienceNOW Daily News 
Source: Science 

USA -- It seems logical that inhaling enough smoke will give you lung cancer. But a new study of Los Angeles residents suggests that smoking marijuana--even more than 22,000 joints in a lifetime--doesn't increase cancer risk. The results surprise many researchers, who point out marijuana has other ill health effects.Decades of research have shown that cigarette smoking dramatically increases the risk of certain cancers. But controversy surrounds the risk of smoking weed. A 1999 study of blood donors suggested a link between marijuana and head and neck cancer, but a larger study in 2004 found no such connection.
Still, work in the lab suggests marijuana can be dangerous. For example, pot smoke contains more of some cancer-causing chemicals than cigarettes do, thanks to the filterless nature of joints.In hopes of settling the debate, pulmonologist Donald Tashkin of the University of California, Los Angeles, and colleagues assembled the largest study to date. They identified cancer patients through the University of Southern California Tumor Registry, which compiles cancer data in Los Angeles County. From 1999 to 2003, 611 Los Angelinos age 60 and under came down with lung cancer, and 601 developed head and neck cancers, each a kind of malignancy that smokers would most likely suffer from. The team then identified more than 1000 control individuals in L.A. who did not have cancer. The researchers matched these individuals to cancer patients by age, gender, and other factors such as the neighborhood in which they lived. In confidential interviews, Tashkin's group determined marijuana usage as well as other risk factors for cancer such as cigarette smoking.Statistical analysis revealed that smoking joints did not increase the risk of coming down with these cancers. About half of cancer patients and controls smoked marijuana, but more than 80% of cancer patients were current or former cigarette smokers. Even heavy tokers--who reported smoking a total of about 22,000 joints over their lifetime--did not have increased risk compared to nonsmokers. The researchers will present their findings tomorrow at the American Thoracic Society International Conference in San Diego.The results surprised Tashkin. "I wouldn't give [marijuana] a clean bill of health, but at least this study says if there is a risk, it's very small," he says. Still, he says, marijuana has been shown to suppress the immune system and may increase the risk of pneumonia.As for why marijuana use doesn't seem to increase cancer risk, pulmonary critical care researcher John Hansen-Flaschen of the University of Pennsylvania points out that cigarette smokers puff a lot more cigarettes than do marijuana users--a smoker with a 2-pack-a-day habit lights up 292,000 cigarettes over 20 years, for example. That's probably because marijuana isn't nearly as addictive as tobacco, says epidemiologist Steve Schwartz of the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle, who conducted the 2004 study.Source: Science (US)Author: Mary Beckman, ScienceNOW Daily NewsPublished: May 23, 2006Copyright: 2006 American Association for the Advancement of ScienceContact: science-now aaas.org Website: http://www.sciencemag.org/Related Articles: No Link Between Marijuana Use and Lung Cancerhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21866.shtmlPot Doesn't Increase Oral-Cancer Risk, Study Says http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread18939.shtml

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Comment #40 posted by FoM on May 25, 2006 at 16:20:49 PT

Something Musical I Think Is Really Cool
Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young are going back to Woodstock for a while. They must long to see that lonesome hippie girl smile. I read it has been 37 years since that special time in 69.http://www.bethelwoodslive.org/event_081306.htm
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Comment #39 posted by whig on May 25, 2006 at 12:52:29 PT

Max
I remember Man On The Corner was kind of self-descriptive of me when I was 16. It's an actual Collins song, too, so I'm not dismissive of him. I just think his style is a little more conventional than Genesis was. He was a fantastic drummer, I agree.
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Comment #38 posted by FoM on May 25, 2006 at 11:30:02 PT

Musical Memory
Max Flowers it's so true. I don't recognize anything you and Whig are talking about but what is special about music and time is each generation has some music that is so very special and when we hear a song it kicks in the memories. I don't remember politics like that but certain songs are easily recalled.Maybe we need a Musical Political Party. Not really but a nice thought.
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Comment #37 posted by Max Flowers on May 25, 2006 at 11:18:02 PT

"Your Own Special Way"
For example is a fantastic song, one of the most touching for me, ever. All this time I assumed it was Collins who wrote it, since he sings it so intimately. I was about 16 when it came out. When I listen to it now it takes me right back to sitting alone in my bedroom, thinking about my 16-year-old girlfriend at the time, and feeling my teenage angst and the emotional detachment of my dad who was in the next room. "Musical memory" is powerful stuff. It lasts a lifetime.
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Comment #36 posted by Max Flowers on May 25, 2006 at 11:12:23 PT

Oh my gosh 
You're right though, at least on that album it appears ol' Phil did hardly any of the writing, lyrically or otherwise (although obviously he wrote all drum parts)! I'm shattered! Not really, but it does deflate him a bit for me. Still, in the end his drumming is the true core of his talent for me. Are you into Brand X at all? Oh man he KILLS on drums on that stuff. Over all, that is by far the most impressive work he has done, to my ears, although I do like him as a songwriter (DID, I should say), when he was not writing schmaltz.I saw him at the Roxy in L.A. in about 1984 when he toured behind his second solo album... I sat about 15 feet from him, it was an amazing show. It was after that though that I began to lose interest in what he was doing.  
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Comment #35 posted by whig on May 25, 2006 at 10:13:40 PT

Max
I may be overstating. Here's what I've found on W&W:  1. "Eleventh Earl of Mar" (Tony Banks/Steve Hackett/Mike Rutherford) - 7:41  2. "One for the Vine" (Tony Banks) - 10:00  3. "Your Own Special Way" (Mike Rutherford) - 6:19  4. "Wot Gorilla?" (Tony Banks/Phil Collins) - 3:20  5. "All in a Mouse's Night" (Tony Banks) - 6:37  6. "Blood on the Rooftops" (Phil Collins/Steve Hackett) - 5:27  7. "Unquiet Slumbers for the Sleepers..." (Steve Hackett/Mike Rutherford) - 2:23  8. "...In That Quiet Earth" (Tony Banks/Phil Collins/Steve Hackett/Mike Rutherford) - 4:50  9. "Afterglow" (Tony Banks) - 4:12Certainly not a Collins vehicle though.
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Comment #34 posted by whig on May 25, 2006 at 10:08:45 PT

Max
The genius of Wind & Wuthering and Trick of the Tail is almost all Steve Hackett. When he left they became a much weaker band, I think, but Collins was still the junior writing partner and that remained so until about 1983. Then once Phil had established a lot of solo success he brought a lot more of his influence to bear on Genesis, and the sound changed quite a bit, like Invisible Touch is pretty much a Collins vehicle.
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Comment #33 posted by whig on May 25, 2006 at 10:06:12 PT

nuevo mexican
My favorite has to be Foxtrot, and particularly the album-side Supper's Ready. This is music I've been listening to since I was 16, and it was the foundation of my musical listening.
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Comment #32 posted by Hope on May 25, 2006 at 10:04:50 PT

Max comment 30
Lol! I like the way you put that. "Okay now you're really messing with the "genius" image I have of Genesis-era Phil Collins...!"
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Comment #31 posted by Hope on May 25, 2006 at 10:02:42 PT

Afterburner
Thanks. I felt extra interested in what might be happening to these people after seeing their photographs and reading some of their comments at CCulture. It looks like things are going very, very badly for them. This always makes me so sad when it happens anywhere in the world. Thank God, maybe Canada won't execute them. For a plant? A non poisonous plant. It's horrible to hurt people over their consumption of a plant. It's horrible. Absolutely horrible. An untenable, egregious nightmare of gargantuan proportions. How many times has the monstrous, killer beast of prohibition got to be stabbed to put it down?(Hmmm...never thought of C-News as a whetstone, before. But it sure is...and we have to stay sharp!)Save lives. Legalize.
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Comment #30 posted by Max Flowers on May 25, 2006 at 10:02:27 PT

whig (more Genesis talk)
Okay now you're really messing with the "genius" image I have of Genesis-era Phil Collins...! I know that his post-Genesis work is really poppy (and I still like some of it), but are you telling me that on all the really killer stuff, like Wind and Wuthering, Trick Of The Tail, And Then There Were Three, etc., Collins didn't write most of those lyrics? I have never checked out the writing credits, for 30 years I have always just assumed that he took over 90% of the lyric/melody part of the songwriting when he took the vocal role.Credits in the format like the Abacab ones below only show that they all three collaborated. To know for sure on a three-way credit like that who wrote lyrics and who didn't, they would have to break it down and say "lyrics by Tony Banks" or whatever, and I haven't looked but I doubt they do that on any of the albums... but I could be wrong.
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Comment #29 posted by FoM on May 25, 2006 at 09:52:03 PT

Afterburner
I don't usually comment on what is going on in Canada. I also don't comment on the problems with MMJ clubs in California. I don't know what to say about them. 
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Comment #28 posted by afterburner on May 25, 2006 at 09:46:45 PT

Hope
Up In Smoke 421 raid update
http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread21866.shtml#19
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Comment #27 posted by FoM on May 25, 2006 at 09:40:25 PT

Hope
My mother and father played the violin. I still have the violins. I never tried to play. I got involved with horses and never did much but horses.
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Comment #26 posted by Hope on May 25, 2006 at 09:33:53 PT

Always surprised at the musical genius that reside
That's so true. I didn't know we had enough musicians and songwriters to start our own company....or at least have a band and a choir.I so admire...deeply...musical talent. Your studying, learning, and practicing benefits us all. Thank you.I know it's hard. My "inner child"...whom I always try to attend to and nurture, always wanted to play the violin/fiddle, even when I really was a child. Beautiful classical strains played to the birds and animals of the forest on beautiful days. Blissfully beautiful. Being Cajun fiddler in a band was a cool fantasy.My love for it was so strong, I thought that surely I could learn it easily. Duh. My young Chihuahua male had been at my side all his life. I bottle raised him and carried him around in my cargo pockets when he was little. He was fully grown at the time this happened. He was grown, yet in three or four years, I never saw him walk...he always trotted and bounced. After several weeks of practicing chords, I picked up my violin one day to practice again and he noticed me having the fiddle. He was napping on the sofa. He got up, jumped down, and WALKED slowly into another room. He seemed to be depressed about the whole business and he actually dreaded it. My first audience got up and walked out on me!Musical people are blessings. 
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Comment #25 posted by FoM on May 25, 2006 at 08:16:26 PT

Nuevo Mexican 
Now we are in the 'year of Neil Young', just like 71/72 when he was king of the car stereo! Awesome, isn't it FOM!Somehow, he never strayed from his roots, so he could do an album like Rust Never Sleeps, and not be out of his element!***I sure agree with you. It's shows that no matter how old we get we can keep a child like quality to our lives if we want to. One of passion and concern. Neil Young sure has done that with his new record.PS: Right now I am listening to Bruce Springsteen's We Shall Overcome: The Seeger Sessions.Here's the original songs from Pete Seeger. http://www.peteseeger.net/origina%20seeger%20sessions.htm
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Comment #24 posted by nuevo mexican on May 25, 2006 at 08:04:42 PT

Trick of the Tail! My fav Genesis......
album, then Wind and Wuthering, and, with Peter Gabriel, The Lamb lies down on Broadway, another Classic!Always surprised at the musical genius that resides at C-News!I am a drummer, (guitarist, singer and songwriter as well)and when Phil went to lead vocals, I knew I wouldn't be far behind, as Genesis was my favorite band in the late 70's, as well as Supertramp, Camel, Jethro Tull, and of course, Frank Zappa, all progressive, conscious, talented, and all at one time were ahead of their time. Phil (and the Beatles) inspired me to sing, and Bono/U2and Simple Minds/Jim Kerr were my best reasons to do it. Thanks to all in the musicworld for your gifts!Once Thatcher and Reagan took over, punk took over, as the good ole days were officially over, and it was time to get out the black leather jackets, and get a serious attitude, 
like the Dead Kennedys', Sex Pistols, The Clash, and fight the power, and it hasn't changed since.Now we are in the 'year of Neil Young', just like 71/72 when he was king of the car stereo! Awesome, isn't it FOM!Somehow, he never strayed from his roots, so he could do an album like Rust Never Sleeps, and not be out of his element!How many artists' have that going for them?When we die, what happens? I believe we return to the musical notes we came in as! 'Sounds' good to me!According to a book channeling John Lennon after his death, 
all we hear, see and experience on the other side is angelic choruses, harps and lyres, crystal catherals of sound and light, cities made of music, so, I guess, ALL YOU
NEED IS LOVE!
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Comment #23 posted by whig on May 25, 2006 at 04:08:30 PT

Max
I dunno, I kind of doubt Collins is mainly responsible for the words because those songs that are attributed specifically to him are almost invariably simple pop, love songs and the like. Even going back to the earliest Collins attributed track, More Fool Me, from Selling England By The Pound, and certainly in all his solo work and much of the Genesis material in the '80s. But it's open to interpretation, as are the lyrics themselves. I saw an interview with Collins where he was very critical of early Genesis lyrics, and how he preferred to go in a more R&B/Contemporary direction.
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Comment #22 posted by Max Flowers on May 25, 2006 at 00:00:03 PT

Genesis trivia
Actually that first blurb just shows that they all three wrote those songs, then the next info shows that Banks alone wrote Me And Sarah Jane, Rutherford alone wrote Like It Or Not, and Collins alone wrote Man On The Corner. So I'm still thinking that Collins write the lyrics on Keep It Dark. Yikes, I hope someone else besides us finds this interesting!Abacab, No Reply at All, Keep it Dark, Dodo, Lurker, Who Dunnit? Another Record published by © 1981 Anthony Banks Ltd/Philip Collins Ltd/Michael Rutherford Ltd/Hit and Run Music (Publishing) LtdMe and Sarah Jane published by © 1981 Anthony Banks Ltd/Hit and Run Music (Publishing) LtdLike it or Not published by © 1981 Michael Rutherford Ltd/Hit and Run Music (Publishing) LtdMan on the Corner published by © 1981 Philip Collins Ltd/Hit and Run Music (Publishing) Ltd

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Comment #21 posted by whig on May 24, 2006 at 19:18:45 PT

Max
See creditshttp://www.genesis-music.com/abacab1.htm
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Comment #20 posted by konagold on May 24, 2006 at 17:05:16 PT:

correction
Black Leaf 40 is an insecticide
http://thereligionofjesuschurch.org
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Comment #19 posted by konagold on May 24, 2006 at 17:02:30 PT:

Antineoplastic activities of Cannabinoids on topic
AlohaThe thing that these studies seem to miss is the evidence that Cannabinoids are anti tumor agents; where nicotine is one of the most toxic substances known to man'Black Leaf 40' is an organic herbicide who's active ingredient is nicotine sulfate-- one drop of the concentrate on ones skin can be fatal; yet we collect billions in taxes from nicotine and spend billions to criminalize cannabis -- go figureAlohaRev. Dennis Shields
 
http://thereligionofjesuschurch.org
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Comment #18 posted by Max Flowers on May 24, 2006 at 17:01:54 PT

I see...
(Johnny Carson voice) I did not know that...
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Comment #17 posted by whig on May 24, 2006 at 16:20:07 PT

Max
Keep It Dark is not a Collins song. On Abacab the only track he wrote was Man On The Corner.
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Comment #16 posted by Max Flowers on May 24, 2006 at 16:13:00 PT

whig
#14: That's a beautiful vision! I hope you're right.#15: Nope, sorry. Well, sort of, but I don't want to think of it that way and I doubt that Phil did either...
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Comment #15 posted by whig on May 24, 2006 at 16:10:35 PT

Max
Think of the man reported missing as Christ. Make more sense now?
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Comment #14 posted by whig on May 24, 2006 at 16:09:16 PT

Max
Some day when the War on Drugs is over, and everyone can discover love for everyone else, all other wars will end as well.
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Comment #13 posted by Max Flowers on May 24, 2006 at 16:08:56 PT

#11
Could be, but what does the world to come have to do with a man who was robbed, and what does the phrase "keep it dark" mean in relation to either of those (or both)? See what I mean? Oh well, it doesn't matter, it's a nice tune and if I ever meet Phil I'll ask him.Yes I agree 1000% about Wind And Wuthering. Might be my favorite one!
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Comment #11 posted by whig on May 24, 2006 at 15:57:27 PT

Max
Collins was actually pretty good for a few albums, Wind & Wuthering in particular is particularly excellent I think.But yeah, Keep It Dark is from Abacab. I think I'd describe it as being about the world to come, the New Eden. Does that seem right to you?
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Comment #10 posted by Max Flowers on May 24, 2006 at 15:39:30 PT

whig
I know what you mean, and being a songwriter myself for many years I have experienced a coalescence of lyrics and melody and music that have seemed more profound than those elements individually. But with "Keep It Dark" I guess I meant that having studied Phil Collins' writing style for quite a while, I had noticed that he was usually a lot less abstract than that; but now that I think about it, that was off Abacab wasn't it, and that album was quite off the wall lyrically for him. Maybe they were getting into some, well, shall we say interesting substances during that period?I really need to get a myspace page as well (not to mention a website of my own), I should have done it ages ago. I have a nice ethno-ambient CD that I wrote/performed/produced that I have been sitting on for a while, for no good reason. I'm pretty proud of it. I went to a guy to have it mastered, in preparation to release it, and he screwed it up (which I paid him $300 for!). For some reason I let that sideline/depress me for a long time. I need to get back on that horse and find someone else to do it and get it out there. 
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Comment #9 posted by whig on May 24, 2006 at 05:14:57 PT

Some lyrics don't need explanation...
http://tinyurl.com/juagbThey've even lost Merle Haggard...
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Comment #8 posted by whig on May 24, 2006 at 04:01:06 PT

Max
Explaining lyrics is always a bit of a challenge, because if words sufficed there would be no real reason to put them to music in the first place. We could just have music without words, words without music. They go together for a purpose.I have a greater appreciation for this now especially having begun writing music. When I wrote Eastertide, I started with a rhythmic figure, then arranged it to pitches. Then I tried to write words, but I could not do so until, simply listening to the music, the words just spilled out from a higher source."Once there was a little man who had to go back and forth to get home. He laughed and he tried not to cry."All inspired music is partially autobiographical, and scriptural as well. The meaning of Eastertide is very similar to Keep It Dark.http://www.myspace.com/epiphysis
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Comment #7 posted by Max Flowers on May 24, 2006 at 01:57:50 PT

whig
I always liked that song, but couldn't quite tell what it meant regarding how the verses contrasted against the middle section (hard to call it a chorus). Genesis was so great for a long time there... the early post-Gabriel albums were a big part of the soundtrack to my teenage years. Hearing some of that stuff now takes me right back to a certain mood and time.
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Comment #6 posted by whig on May 23, 2006 at 17:08:02 PT

Music for GW
http://www.bestsharing.com/files/ms00153792/04%20-%20Keep%20It%20Dark.mp3.html
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Comment #5 posted by global_warming on May 23, 2006 at 16:49:16 PT

re: happier lives
It can happen,Even Ceaser Must Die,
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Comment #4 posted by whig on May 23, 2006 at 16:40:31 PT

Keep it Dark - Genesis
Found that man reported missing,
He wandered in his home.
It don't seem to bad if you consider
Just what he's been through.Seems he met up with a gang of thieves,
Who mistook him for a man of means,
They locked him up then found he had no money,
So they let him go again.
Now he's back at home and happy
Just to see the kids.I wish that I could really tell you
All the things that happened to me
And all that I have seen.
A world full of people their hearts full of joy,
Cities of light with no fear of war,
And thousands of creatures with happier lives,
And dreams of a future with meaning and no need to hide.Oh, keep it dark.It seems strange to have to lie,
About a world so bright.
And tell instead a made-up story,
From the world of night.I wish, that I could really tell you,
All the things that happened to me
And all that I have seen,
A world full of people their hearts full of joy,
Cities of light with no fear of war,
And thousands of creatures with happier lives,
And dreams of a future with meaning and no need to lie,
No need to hate,
No need to hide.Oh, keep it dark.
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Comment #3 posted by global_warming on May 23, 2006 at 16:29:52 PT

It Cannot
Rise before the Light.The Law is child and servent to the Light,That Light that you can be a 'witness,
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Comment #2 posted by global_warming on May 23, 2006 at 16:23:44 PT

whether you believe in God
It does not matter,The flesh in this world,Must find a way to survive,It is always something,That can place 'you in troubleWith the Law,Has the LawRisen above The Light?
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Comment #1 posted by global_warming on May 23, 2006 at 16:13:38 PT

a clean bill of health,
and on and on 'we go..It is time,To grasp this new world,To not only end this prohibition of Cannabis,To end this prohibitionist mentality,
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