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  4/20 Crackdown

Posted by CN Staff on May 01, 2006 at 07:35:21 PT
By Paula Pant, Colorado Daily Staff Writer 
Source: Colorado Daily  

Colorado -- Were you on Farrand Field at 4:20 p.m. on Thursday, April 20? If so, chances are your photo may be online.150 photos of people who were on Farrand Field during the annual 4 -20 marijuana-smoking event were posted online last week by the University of Colorado Police Department.
CUPD is offering a $50 reward for each person identified, and identified people are subject to possible “criminal charges,” said spokesman Lt. Tim McGraw. Identified people may also receive a ticket and $100 fine and may need to appear before CU's Judicial Affairs Office. Farrand Field was closed to the public on April 20, and anyone who was on the field - regardless of whether or not they were smoking marijuana - can be charged with criminal trespassing, a class three misdemeanor.“It's pretty hard to tell the smokers from the spectators,” acknowledged interim CU spokesperson Barrie Hartman. “We're going after the trespassers.”McGraw said those photographed smoking would also be sanctioned for marijuana use by the police department.Most of the photos clearly depict people smoking from a glass piece or rolled-up paper. Photos taken from a side-profile angle are complemented by an additional photo that displays a clearly identifying headshot.According to McGraw, more than 50 tips were fielded by CUPD in the first three hours after the photos were posted online.McGraw refused to discuss how the photos were taken, but several photos posted online display a time code, which indicate that the “photos” are actually still frames of a videotape.“It's rolling. It's a video. Someone doesn't have to take a picture. They're just walking around,” said “Brian,” a non-student with a professional background in digital video imaging who was on Farrand Field at 4:20 pm on April 20. “(The police) sure took their time (to create clear images of people's faces) - they pulled multiple frames.”A Colorado Daily review of the hour, minute, second and frame count documented on the time code indicate that someone videotaped the crowd from the inside for 18 minutes. The recording's start time is unknown, but occurred after 4:05, when people broke through the barricades and rushed onto the field.According to “Brian,” this video camera wasn't necessarily large enough to be seen.“You can have it in your purse, on your clothing, on your shoulder, in your bag,” said “Brian.” “It could be some cute girl walking around.”The event is a well-known annual tradition that was attended by about 2,500 people this year. The decision to start punishing attendees was brought on by the legislature and those alumni who think we should crack down on those who do this,” said Hartman.“We feel some pressure there. The legislature can find all kinds of reasons to not approve money for us,” said Hartman.Student government tri-executive Jeremy Jimenez, who lobbies for CU funding at the state capital on behalf of the student body, said that no legislator has directly asked him about the April 20 event “during their meetings, but it does come up in topics of discussion (outside the sessions).” He said he supports the crackdown.“If students are doing something illegal, they should face the consequences,” said Jimenez.Yet some feel CU is misdirecting its resources.“The school needs to understand that 2,500 students smoking marijuana on a field is not nearly as bad as one student drinking themselves to death,” said Mason Tvert, campaign director for Safer Alternative for Enjoyable Recreation (SAFER), a state-based nonprofit organization that advocates that marijuana is a safer recreational alternative to alcohol.“Could you imagine if CU police officers took the time to photograph this many students drinking at every tailgate or fraternity party and then offered rewards for identifying them?” said Tvert. Source: Colorado Daily (UC Edu, CO)Author: Paula Pant, Colorado Daily Staff WriterPublished: Sunday, April 30, 2006Copyright: 2006 Colorado DailyContact: letters coloradodaily.comWebsite: http://www.coloradodaily.com/Safer Choicehttp://www.saferchoice.org/CannabisNews -- Cannabis Archiveshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/list/cannabis.shtml

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Comment #74 posted by FoM on May 05, 2006 at 09:33:39 PT
Off Topic: Kentucky Derby
I always watch the Derby. I just found out on the news that Michael Matz has a horse in the Derby. We showed together and he rode one of my horses in show jumping. He's a good man and I hope his horse wins tomorrow. He saved a few children in a bad plane crash years ago too.http://www.kentuckyderby.com/2006/derby_coverage/derby_entrants/barbaro/
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Comment #73 posted by FoM on May 05, 2006 at 08:04:27 PT
Just a Comment
I wonder what Rush Limbaugh will say about Patrick Kennedy.That Ambien must be a powerful drug.
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Comment #72 posted by FoM on May 04, 2006 at 22:27:58 PT
Whig
I saw Rumsfeld being grilled today and I thought wow this is really happening. I see so much anger towards Neil Young on Amazon.com that Amazon had to delete one of comments. I can't believe people can be that blind and not see. What makes people be so pro republican and pro Bush that would make them become so vicious towards people who speak out about him? I don't understand that type of loyality. 
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Comment #71 posted by whig on May 04, 2006 at 21:56:20 PT
FoM
I sense we're near a tipping point, or perhaps better stated, we're already over the point of no return for this administration. Bush will resign, or he will be impeached. He may try to start a nuclear war before he goes. The military will not follow his orders. He will lose his command and be disgraced. And when I say Bush, it may be first with Rumsfeld or with Cheney, but it will seem very fast, very sudden when it happens, and we will look around and ask ourselves, how could it have all collapsed with so little effort, a revolution without a shot fired. Because what is happening here is the foundations are being eaten, the supports are being weakened, and the house cannot stand upon such fragile beams as remain.I want to write another song soon. I am feeling that some inspiration wants to come through me, maybe tomorrow.
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Comment #70 posted by afterburner on May 04, 2006 at 20:18:30 PT
FoM
you have mail
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Comment #69 posted by FoM on May 04, 2006 at 19:02:45 PT
Afterburner
I checked out Neil Young's Living With War site and he has an article from the Boston Globe about Kent State. I could post the link but check it out thru his web site. I have a feeling since Neil had his serious health scare something has changed. He seems to have an urgency to do something. I am happy that he is getting involved. He has a lot of wisdom to offer.http://www.neilyoung.com/lww/lww.html
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Comment #68 posted by FoM on May 04, 2006 at 14:06:29 PT

Christen-Mitchell 
Thank you for the article but it would really help me out if you posted a lead in and a link. Some web sites must be snipped because of copyright issues and that way I don't have to tell everyone.This one is ok but it needs copyright info on it but I'll leave it go.
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Comment #67 posted by Christen-Mitchell on May 04, 2006 at 14:01:59 PT:

Snitch City Repercussions
C U And Boulder 
 
 Lawyers to talk about snitchingBy CASEY FREEMAN Colorado Daily Staff Writer
Wednesday, May 3, 2006 9:37 PM MDTAnother event near Farrand Field today will focus on marijuana, but participants won't be as happy or easygoing as they were two weeks ago for the annual 420 pot-smoking holiday.Since the smoking celebration, the CU Police Department (CUPD) posted photos of 200 of an estimated 2,500 people who walked past the barriers to smoked pot on Farrand Field on 4/20. CUPD is offering a $50 reward for a positive identification from the photos.Nearly 60 photos have been identified as of Wednesday. Those who are identified can face charges of trespassing and a $100 fine. The CUPD will use the fine to pay off the reward.“This is a huge constitutional matter,” said Mason Tvert, campaign director for Safer Alternative for Enjoyable Recreation (SAFER). “We know a lot of people who are outraged.” 
Two of the outraged citizens are the civil rights attorneys Perry Sanders, Jr. and Robert J. Frank.“If students are pursuing legal action, these guys are interested in helping them out,” said Tvert. “(The lawyers) have reason to believe that a number of constitutional questions have come up here.”Both lawyers filed a wrongful death lawsuit against the LAPD for the estate of Christopher Wallace - also known as the rapper Notorious B.I.G. or Biggie Smalls.This free event will be start at 6 p.m. and be held at the Baur Lounge in the Farrand Hall building on the southern side of Farrand Field.SAFER is not suing the CUPD. The organization is just holding the event.Tvert said this incident doesn't just bring up problems with marijuana laws, but also quashes parts of the First Amendment.“It has issues regarding the right to assemble and to associate,” said Tvert. “This is a field that is public space open to these students every other day out of the year.”Paul Campos, a CU law professor, explained the situation more specifically.“They closed part of the university that is usually available for symbolic speech,” said Campos. “It's unclear whether the university was within its rights to behave the way it did.”Campos said he has heard of similar tactics used to catch rioters, and that use of surveillance is “very appropriate.”Last year, uniformed police took photos and videos, but no photos were published.Also on 4/20 this year, more than 2,000 people smoked pot in front of the State Capitol in Denver; however, most of the media attention was on the Farrand Field event.CU showed its distaste for the event by blocking off Farrand Field, assigning police officers to the area and warning students of surveillance.“If they didn't send out releases and draw attention to this matter, this would be a small blurb in newspapers on one day about students using marijuana,” said Tvert.Contact Casey Freeman on this story at (303) 443-6272 ext. 147 or freeman coloradodaily.com. 

Hemptopia: Towards Our Greener Future
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Comment #66 posted by FoM on May 04, 2006 at 11:53:17 PT

Afterburner
Someone put together a video to LITP. Cool!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDMN8-G7p4w
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Comment #65 posted by FoM on May 04, 2006 at 11:47:32 PT

Afterburner
We only bought lawn tickets because they are so expensive. The ones in Columbus are about $40 with all the extras so that isn't bad.
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Comment #64 posted by FoM on May 04, 2006 at 11:41:28 PT

Afterburner
Thank you. I have been trying to make it work. I turned off the pop up blocker but it still won't work. I looked to see if I have to turn off something in my Norton program but so far I haven't been able to figure it out.
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Comment #63 posted by afterburner on May 04, 2006 at 11:40:36 PT

FoM
I'm hoping to hear CSNY   the Air Canada Centre on July 10th. They gave away some tickets yesterday, but I was   work and could not call. I'm hoping to win or buy some soon. I've been listening to the radio most of the day in hopes.
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Comment #62 posted by afterburner on May 04, 2006 at 11:36:07 PT

PS, FoM, Q107 Now Has ...
streaming help 
http://support.streamtheworld.com/help_streaming.php?callsign=CILQFMin case you are having trouble connecting to their Internet radio stream.
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Comment #61 posted by FoM on May 04, 2006 at 11:17:44 PT

Afterburner
We will be seeing CSNY two times this year. What a way it will be to wrap up the summer.
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Comment #60 posted by FoM on May 04, 2006 at 11:15:12 PT

Afterburner 
I don't blast the president publically. I am honest that I mind him alot but the song allows me to really let go and let it out. What a fantastic album it is. I like every song. I love Families. I really like Looking For a Leader.Roger and Out is just a beautiful tribute to a lost friend. Trippin’ down that old hippie highwayGot thinkin’ ’bout you again
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Comment #59 posted by afterburner on May 04, 2006 at 11:09:11 PT

Yes, FoM
The first time I heard "Let's Impeach the President" I yelled out in synchronous anger at the betrayal of American ideals by this administration.
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Comment #58 posted by FoM on May 04, 2006 at 10:37:21 PT

Afterburner
Thank you. I will try to get it to work this weekend. I am so uplifted by Living With War. When I listen to Let's Impeach The President I can sing along and it releases so much of my pent up frustration. Thank you Neil Young!
Neil Young: Living With War
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Comment #57 posted by afterburner on May 04, 2006 at 10:14:23 PT

OT Dylan, Lennon, Neil Young and ...
Q107 Peace and Protest Classic Rock Weekend
http://www.q107.com/station/classic_weekends.cfm
fri   3pHear ye hear ye! Hope you can hear it.
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Comment #56 posted by FoM on May 03, 2006 at 12:40:51 PT

Off Topic: This Made Me Happy
Neil Young's "Living With War" Catches Fire Over the Internet With 2 Million Page-Views110,000 Visit http://www.NeilYoung.com in One Day to Stream Legendary Rocker's New Anti-War Album; "Looking for a Leader" Most Added Song at Triple A Radio Format ***BURBANK, CA -- (MARKET WIRE) -- 05/03/2006 -- The Internet is abuzz with praise for Neil Young's incendiary new album "Living With War." In the past week there have been over 2 million page views for the artist, with almost one million of those visiting www.neilyoung.com. The digital version of the album is available for purchase now at major sites, while the CD is being rush shipped to retail outlets on May 8th. The excited web chatter over the 10-song "Living With War," which USA Today has called "bruised, seething, and relentless," began on April 20th, when lyrics to one track were posted each day on Young's website neilyoung.com. Streaming audio of the full album was made available a week later on April 28th, and within 24 hours, more than 110,000 visitors had listened to the veteran rocker's latest work in its entirety online. In addition, within four days, more than 100,000 visitors to home video web outlet YouTube.com had viewed a clip of Young being interviewed about the album on CNN. To generate early feedback for "Living With War," Reprise Records held a listening party for politically minded bloggers at its Burbank headquarters on April 21st. It also launched a blog -- livingwithwar.blogspot.com -- that has provided news updates as well as a registry for affiliated websites to sign up for a link that allows them to host album streams on their own sites. In the first four days, more than 170,000 visitors listened to "Living with War" on more than 1,400 registered affiliate sites, including documentary filmmaker Michael Moore's site michaelmoore.com and session musician Jon Amato's blog crooksandliars.com. Fans have also been able to hear the album on MSN, MP3.com, ArtistDirect, and Rhapsody, where "Living With War" became the number one most streamed album within three days. "Living With War" is now available for digital download at Rhapsody, SonyConnect, BuyMusic, and for pre-order on iTunes, which will deliver it on May 9th. CDs go on sale at traditional retailers on May 9th. http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=126912 
Neil Young: Living With War
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Comment #55 posted by FoM on May 03, 2006 at 08:22:53 PT

mai_bong_city 
Thank you so much. This is a hard time of year for me because my son passed away on Memorial Day in 96. He was a good son and loved by many people. I'm glad that I have been able to do good things for us here on CNews. I sure appreciate the nice words.
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Comment #54 posted by mai_bong_city on May 03, 2006 at 08:08:43 PT

FoM - comment #32
there could be no doubt, FoM, any child fortunate enough to be under your loving care would have the most excellent role model and parent......your appreciation for the planet and peoples' good is so positively evident. your loss is the world's as well...as mother's day approaches, let me just take the chance to thank you for being such a good 'mom' to this family here at cnews....we're lucky and blessed indeed, may you and yours be, enormously, too.
mbc~*
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Comment #53 posted by FoM on May 03, 2006 at 08:00:23 PT

Bob Dylan
I only caught the last part of Bob Dylan on XM Radio and the last two songs played were Timothy Leary's Dead and Scarborough Fair. Two great songs. I hope others were able to hear his new show.
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Comment #52 posted by The GCW on May 03, 2006 at 05:16:36 PT

Response to the article in My local paper #34
Marijuana legislation based on liesAllan Erickson, Drug Policy Forum of Oregon, Eugene, Ore
May 2, 2006http://www.summitdaily.com/article/20060502/LETTER/105020043Unbelievable. The article "Hundreds Turn In Marijuana Users In Boulder (SDN, April 30) is an appalling statement on the lows we've stooped to in order to maintain our nation pogrom against cannabis consumers.The hastily erected barrier was placed in order to stop an event which can best be described as peaceably assembling in order to petition the government in order to redress grievances. Or is there a section to the Constitution I missed that says "except in the case of pot smokers?" And anonymous snitching? For alleged trespassing? What's next, illegal seizure of personal bodily fluids? What happened to the opportunity to face one's accusers?So are we a nation built upon the ideals of liberty and founded with a document written in order to guarantee our freedoms or are we now ignoring our founders' efforts and sacrifices?When laws like those instituted to prohibit cannabis (in its multiple forms) are founded upon lies, bigotry and perjured testimony before the Congress of the U.S., there is indeed just cause for a population to seek redress for very valid grievances.Allan Erickson, Drug Policy Forum of Oregon

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Comment #51 posted by FoM on May 02, 2006 at 16:47:07 PT

Heads Up: Premiere of Bob Dylan's New Show
I have been looking forward to this and I thought others might like to check it out too. It's at 10 AM EDT on May 3rd.XM Satellite Radio: http://www.xmradio.com/bobdylan/
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Comment #50 posted by FoM on May 02, 2006 at 16:42:51 PT

NPR: Living With War
Protest That Sings: Neil Young's 'Living with War' By Tom Moon 
 
 
 
 All Things Considered, May 2, 2006 · Living With War, the new album from Neil Young, features a 100-voice choir that backs the singer/songwriter's musings on President Bush, the conflict in Iraq and families on the home front.http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5377060
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Comment #49 posted by FoM on May 02, 2006 at 15:16:58 PT

BGreen
Thanks. I wish they wouldn't show it on the news. 
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Comment #48 posted by BGreen on May 02, 2006 at 15:08:38 PT

Don't worry, FoM re: posts 45 and 47
This is one church in Kansas, and most of the people in the church are related (inbred?) so there are only about 30 or so members.They used to show up at the funerals of AIDS victims (including Pedro, who was a cast member living with AIDS on MTV's Real World back in the 90's,) but they haven't grown in number and almost EVERYBODY thinks they are INSANE.They are best ignored.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #47 posted by FoM on May 02, 2006 at 14:49:59 PT

Whig
What I mind is them bothering grieving families during a funeral. That is terrible. 
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Comment #46 posted by whig on May 02, 2006 at 14:43:35 PT

FoM
The anti-homosexual protestors have been doing this for awhile now and they are part of one group of people called God Hates Fags. Frankly I think they are best ignored, because they don't represent a large number of people, they just do what they do to get as much media attention as they can, and the mainstream media is glad to give it to them. Funny, because how often does the media ever show a marijuana rally? I guess some "politically unpopular" groups are more worthy of coverage than others, eh?
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Comment #45 posted by FoM on May 02, 2006 at 14:26:04 PT

Whig and Zero_G
Interesting video. I was just watching CNN and there are protesters at funerals of soldiers killed saying god is punishing them because of homosexuality. What in the world is wrong with them? They are Baptists they said. Hate is so deadly. Hate will destroy our country. We are all different and we all are worth while. Zero_G, I hope you stop in more frequently if you have time.
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Comment #44 posted by whig on May 02, 2006 at 13:54:55 PT

FoM
Interesting movie for you:http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8126785301144354295
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Comment #43 posted by Zero_G on May 02, 2006 at 13:53:17 PT

All's well
thanks for asking!
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Comment #42 posted by FoM on May 02, 2006 at 12:59:04 PT

Zero_G
It's good to see you. It's been a long time. I hope all is well.
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Comment #41 posted by Zero_G on May 02, 2006 at 12:53:04 PT

Your welcome
Nice to say hi again.
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Comment #40 posted by FoM on May 02, 2006 at 11:43:03 PT

Zero_G
Thank you. I went thru the article and I still am not sure what it's all about. I read they seem upset with capitalism but I assume that is in Mexico not here in the states. I believe in the right to work to own a home and a little land if that is a person's dream. I guess that means as much as I dislike the word that I have a little capitalist in me. One more reason that I don't involve myself with any political party. I know what I would never be as far as a political party goes but that's about all.
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Comment #39 posted by Zero_G on May 02, 2006 at 11:24:45 PT

The Other Campaign
First off, it should be public record who recieves reward money, and defendants have the right to face their accusers, no?FoM, you can read much more about the Zapatistas. “Take Back What Belongs to Us!”: Marcos Previews the Other Message of May 1st
The Zapatista Subcomandante Makes a Prosecutor’s Case that Workers Have a Right to Expropriate the Means of Production
By Al Giordano
The Other Journalism with the Other Campaign in Mexico City
April 30, 2006  http://narconews.com/Issue41/article1749.htmlPeace.

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Comment #38 posted by BGreen on May 02, 2006 at 00:38:55 PT

It's IMPOSSIBLE to know WHAT they were smoking
and therefore the only charges that could be placed upon these kids is trespassing.Every single one of these kids needs to demand a jury trial, and then demonstrate their skills of rolling their own tobacco cigarettes for their 12 peers.The argument could then be made that there was a big waste of money spent on tracking and prosecuting hundreds of students for a simple misdemeanor charge of trespassing.Pictures can't prove anything besides the fact that SOMEONE was on the field at the time, but I even have a look-a-like who lives near me who my mom and dad thought WAS me going into a store. They couldn't understand why I just walked past them without saying anything!"It wasn't me in those photos, but even if it was, I only smoke that legal poison known as TOBACCO, and there ain't NO LAW against that!"The Reverend Bud (remembering our once free country) Green
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Comment #37 posted by afterburner on May 01, 2006 at 21:28:00 PT

museman 
"Somebody should follow the cops around and photograph their activities, what an eye opener that would be."This method has been successfully used in Ann Arbor, MI, and in Hamilton, ON, to identify narcs and shame them out of our gatherings. Feds and heads, cops and hippies. These dichotomies sap our power, buy us into the control game. Bob Marley and Peter Tosh were right: one love one heart one people one foundation. Those flowers in rifles were more than a symbol of peace: they were a gift, an invitation. Join hands Manley and Seaga (Jamaican political rivals). Rise above politics and unite the people. Where oppression is strong, resistance is stronger. LEAP is very active in Ontario. peace.
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Comment #36 posted by mayan on May 01, 2006 at 16:28:48 PT

Pictures
Those students look like normal, everyday people. Society has been criminalized! The cops are certainly sparing no expense trying to catch those dangerous criminals.I hope some good folks at UC can keep track of exactly how much time,money and manpower the cops spend on this roundup.Expose the fascists!
 
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Comment #35 posted by runderwo on May 01, 2006 at 16:11:23 PT

McCarthyism
It's the witch hunt against one's fellow citizens all over again. Nothing new.
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Comment #34 posted by The GCW on May 01, 2006 at 15:56:38 PT

My local paper...
"Hundreds turn in marijuana users in Boulder"http://www.summitdaily.com/article/20060429/NEWS/60429001/0/FRONTPAGEBy THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
April 29, 2006BOULDER — Hundreds of people called University of Colorado police Friday to name people photographed at last week’s “4/20” marijuana smoke-out on Farrand Field.Police posted 150 pictures online Thursday of people lighting up, exhaling and even streaking at the annual event. For each positive identification, CU is offering a $50 reward.Tipsters, who will remain anonymous to the offenders but not to police, began calling early Friday, said CU police Lt. Tim McGraw.“The phones have been ringing off the hook,” he said. “One person called in and ID’d five people.”Cont.
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Comment #33 posted by FoM on May 01, 2006 at 13:22:32 PT

schmeff 
That is true and depressing.
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Comment #32 posted by FoM on May 01, 2006 at 13:21:28 PT

mai_bong_city 
That is wonderful to read. My son was a really good son too.
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Comment #31 posted by mai_bong_city on May 01, 2006 at 13:15:33 PT

offspring
i too raised a fine young woman who abhors alcohol and cigarettes - wisely so - mostly it was the influence of seeing her father's decline due to alcoholism. i raised her as a single parent from age two on, and most of that time relied on cannabis for relief from my disease states.
today she approaches her final year of undergrad on music scholarship, has held a paid position in the two symphonies the entire while, as well as forming an independent quartet and participating in her required areas at university - plus she has a library position that over 200 other applicants were vying for.
she is also a traumatic brain injury survivor. her graduate school plans are all in order, her future is bright and she's doing what she loves. i could not be more proud.
she withstood a lot because of my sometimes vocal activism on behalf of cannabis, and she's learned so much seeing it from the perspective of someone seeing their loved one suffer without it - she is a woman of compassion and direction and motivation and goals - all that with an impoverished upbringing, monetarily - but what we had and also cannabis GAVE to me and enabled to then give more to her - is immeasureable.
the proof they say is in the pudding, n'est ce pas?bravo to us and them i say. we're the lucky ones, all. truly.
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Comment #30 posted by schmeff on May 01, 2006 at 13:15:20 PT

"Why Do They Dress Like Terrorists?"
That question, I believe, is best answered by this article.They wear ski masks to protect their privacy when they realize that they live in a brutal police state where the KGB infiltrates political rallies with agents wearing video surveillance equipment for the purpose of using the taxes they exploit from us to pay for lowlife or economically disadvantaged snitches to turn in their fellow citizens for cash rewards. God Bless the USA. 
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Comment #29 posted by FoM on May 01, 2006 at 13:14:54 PT

museman
My husband asked me to find this song for him and I thought you might appreciate it too. I hadn't heard it for years and it's one of those really cool songs from way back when.
Uneasy Rider MP3
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Comment #28 posted by FoM on May 01, 2006 at 13:05:03 PT

museman
I have learned so much about people since I've been doing CNews. I was telling a friend about Jerry and Linda and how she went to a prayer service that was Indian not Christian. They gave her herbs and even buffalo meat. Our friend, who rents a house from us, said buffalo meat, people still eat that? I said I guess some people do. I have had the most difficult time understanding the southern states. Hope is my friend and she helps me to bridge the gap in learning. The south and the north are so different. Why aren't we two United States since neither side wants to change how they feel? I'm serious about that. Sometimes my question must sound so stupid.
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Comment #27 posted by museman on May 01, 2006 at 12:57:44 PT

FoM
You have to understand that there is a vast cultural difference between the agrarian Chiapas tribal peoples and us.Think of the Native American warriors who fought so bravely (and futile) to save their people and their way of life. Guns trumped their bows and arrows, and white man didn't pay any attention to their poets, wise-men and orators, but they did react to having their own weapons of choice turned against them; they had to recognise the intelligence amd humanity of the Red Man.I hate guns too. Don't believe in 'em. But those people aren't actually shooting anybody, while they are actively engaged in dialogue, education, and negotiation.
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Comment #26 posted by FoM on May 01, 2006 at 12:47:41 PT

museman
I don't know any Shriners or any group really. Why do they have guns? I don't believe in guns. I don't believe they should be illegal but I believe in solving problems thru talking and communication rather then intimidation.The mom deer put their baby fawns in our field and we must watch closely when mowing or we could kill one of them. They are such beautiful creatures.
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Comment #25 posted by museman on May 01, 2006 at 12:38:23 PT

FoM
"Down by the beaver dam there are thickets that look like little buildings where the deer must stay at times."What an image! I can imagine a slight haze on an early spring morning as a new faun comes forth to drink.
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Comment #24 posted by museman on May 01, 2006 at 12:34:30 PT

FoM
"Why do they dress like a terrorist? They look angry. That kind of stuff scares me."Better to ask,"Why do Americans immediately assume a ski-mask as a 'terrorist' symbol?"I actually asked that very same question of my daughter, who was recently there, attended some EZLN (the acronym for the Zapatista Revolutiary Army) and took some photographs.I saw those pictures. If you think of the moose heads for shriners, you get the idea. It's their symbol of anonymity and universal identification with the oppressed peoples of the world.They want the world to know that they are serious and aren't playing games, but violence isn't really on their agenda. You may see ski masks, but you won't see the weapons like the muslim terrorists.Because they actually have cause to fear covert intelligent operations like assasination and the like, they also prefer not to broadcast their faces. So they have adopted it a a functional symbol.
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Comment #23 posted by FoM on May 01, 2006 at 12:27:57 PT

museman 
I get what you mean. It isn't laws that make me feel the way I do about all of God's creation. It's something inside me. When we bought our land we had no way of making everyone around where we live care but my husband and I do care. We made the decision to make our land a sanctuary for animals when we bought it. Down by the beaver dam there are thickets that look like little buildings where the deer must stay at times. God made nature not to kill and abuse it but to marvel at it. If we don't care about our planet as individuals we won't have anywhere to live in the future. We need fresh air and good earth to sustain our lives. 
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Comment #22 posted by museman on May 01, 2006 at 12:19:14 PT

FoM
"Nature should be protected and respected I believe."But not by 'legislation' or 'law' but by our own conscience, understanding, and respect - something that ought to be PRIORITY in our educational system, rather than the 'how to be a good citizen/slave' priority that is currently in place.As I traverse the land I am absolutely amazed by the rampant ignorance that is manifested by the casual pollution known as 'litter.' If that is any indication of the mainstream attitudes and priorities being subconsciously propogated and reinforced in our educational system, media, and national culture, then the foundation of our society itself is in serious question. But making 'law' to deal with it is kind of like asking the crocodile not to eat the gingerbread man.Freedom and liberty is equal to the amount of responsibility and sacrifice that any one individual or group of individuals is willing to accept. Our ancestors delegated that responsibility, thereby abdicating the natural state of freedom and liberty that is inherent in nature. That state exists all around us, but we constrain ourselves according to patterns of behavior that we accept as socially/culturally 'proper.'These 'patterns of behavior' can be innovative, or restrictive, depending on the polarities. Take litter for example;One could 'legislate' and 'enforce' the 'crime' of littering through establishing the FEAR of punishment, Or, you could enhance the simple recognition of the beauty of an unpolluted landscape.Two polar opposite patterns and choices, one destructive and based on fear, the other constructive based on actual existing NATURAL TENDANCIES such as recognition and respect of beauty.Such is the realm in which we exist.
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Comment #21 posted by FoM on May 01, 2006 at 11:58:05 PT

museman
Thank you. Why do they dress like a terrorist? They look angry. That kind of stuff scares me. 
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Comment #20 posted by FoM on May 01, 2006 at 11:50:36 PT

museman 
She sure did a great job of speaking her mind. I also believe that we need to protect nature. We absolutely forbid any form of hunting on our land. We are close to a State Park which also protects animals and allows no hunting. We have deer that come up near the house and graze. We have wild turkeys that aren't afraid to visit us either. When I go out back of our house it turns into woods and drops off and becomes very steep. At the bottom of the big hill or small mountain beavers have been building down there for years. I use to go down and just sit and watch them. They have a big like sliding board from the top to the bottom of a step hill which would put them in the dam they built. Nature should be protected and respected I believe.
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Comment #19 posted by museman on May 01, 2006 at 11:48:54 PT

Hope
Thanks. Just for the record- nobody's perfect.
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Comment #18 posted by museman on May 01, 2006 at 11:44:21 PT

FoM
Ok, that's a huge question, and I know I won't get it exactly right... the problem is that most of the information is in Espanol.The Zaptistas is a grass roots movement of the Chiapas, an indiginous 'mexican-indian' people. They iniitally formed as a 'revolutionary' army to establish autonomy from the Mexican Government, because of the destruction of their rain forest, and the syphoning off of their youth into slave-type labor. They intelligently saw that they couldn't win by 'force of arms' so they employed a new tactic; the internet.They have created a system of 'local empowerment' where their communities have achieved economic, religious, and (at least locally) political self sufficiency. They got wide support and recognition from the world community, putting the 'spotlight' on the Mexican Federale's abusive inhuman behavior, thus achieving a true 'mexican standoff' with the Republic of Mexico.They aren't mentioned in the mainstream, because their system works, and works well. Empower the people and things happen.
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Comment #17 posted by Hope on May 01, 2006 at 11:39:23 PT

It's wonderful
When what you put so much of your life into turns out so well. Congratulations, Museman. 
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Comment #16 posted by museman on May 01, 2006 at 11:32:39 PT

More Youth
The youngest I mentioned earlier, I think is a great example of the hope and great potential that is in this generation. In her own words, she was 10 years old (a few months ago) when she wrote it;THE FIELD OF LIFEThere was once a field with any creatures, and features too.Like the beautiful willows, and oaks.When you lay in the grass you see that it is soft as pillows.It had Fairies and Elves, and the yummy berries.There was an ocean meeting the prairie.There were wonders everywhere you went.And you got more and more curious,and the good thing was you never got furious.The bad thing is, no human will ever discover this place.The animals may uncover it though, because that is their home, not ours.This land is enchanted with their powers,and we must never mess with their peace,because this is the Field Of Life!by Artesia Hubbard
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Comment #15 posted by FoM on May 01, 2006 at 11:26:40 PT

museman
What are they trying to accomplish this group called Zapatista? I found a few things on line and I don't really understand. 
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Comment #14 posted by museman on May 01, 2006 at 11:10:19 PT

todays youth
Two of my adult children are currently pursuing 'higher education'. They and their peers hold great potential for hope.One of the things I have noticed, is that this generation is not quite so 'class seperate' as was mine. Both my college students come from a very poor (and I ain't kidding) family, with little oportunity of any worth ever coming their way- they achieved their academics through dedication and hard work. Both of them are highly intelligent, well-liked by their peers, and turning into movers and shakers. One is currently involved in research and documentation of the little known Zapatista movement in Mexico (labeled a 'terrorist' organization by the Bush regime) intending to put her multi-lingual talents to work building bridges between cultures.The other is involved in such 'revolutionary' activities as C.O.W.S (Change Our World Somehow) a new movement springing up in the NorthWest Campuses.I have had much meaningful dialogue with their peers, and I am here to tell you that they make the 'flower children' of the sixties look like a wild party, but not much else.My son said to me the other day; "we are concerned that the few things that your generation accomplished, are being wiped out. We want to build on that foundation, there's not enough time to start over."
He and his friends are currently working on a companion video to Jerry's "Let My People Grow."These young people deserve whatever support we can give them. There is more conscience and real intelligent concern for balance, truth, and reasonability than there ever really was in the '60s generation, over -all. Our day is done, Theirs is just beginning.Oh and they all smoke marijuana, or have smoked it.Somebody's got to stop the monsters.
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Comment #13 posted by Hope on May 01, 2006 at 11:07:21 PT

B Green ... Lol!
Now you're scaring me!
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Comment #12 posted by BGreen on May 01, 2006 at 11:01:04 PT

Yes, Hope, museman may be a good father
But I've been called a bad mother (shut your mouth) on several occasions. :-)The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #11 posted by Hope on May 01, 2006 at 10:47:23 PT

Museman...you're a brilliant father.
"My young daughter asked me several years ago if there were such things as 'monsters.' I waited till the evening news, and pointed some of them out."
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Comment #10 posted by museman on May 01, 2006 at 10:40:32 PT

ANGER!!!!
"Well I smoke marijuana, but I can't get behind your walls, and most of what I do believe is against most of your laws.
I'm a fugitive from INJUSTICE, but I'm going to be FREE, 'cause your 'rules and regulations' don't do the thing for me!Oh! What you gonna do about me?"Quicksilver Messenger Service circa 1969
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Comment #9 posted by BGreen on May 01, 2006 at 10:23:20 PT

What a $h!&&y college
Scum sucking vermin run that university, and any self-respecting human should run away from those vile administrators and campus "pork" products and go to a real school.And for the slime balls that are turning in their fellow students for $50, all I can say is [Please refrain from using profanity in your message]The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #8 posted by museman on May 01, 2006 at 10:22:16 PT

photos
Somebody should follow the cops around and photograph their activities, what an eye opener that would be.“If students are doing something illegal, they should face the consequences,” said Jimenez. Does that apply for all Americans, or just students, because if it does, I know a government that 'should face the consequences.'Seems that 'legal' predatory behavior is ok.'Legal' invasion of privacy and personal rights is ok. 'Legal' brutality and behavior more fitting teenage morons from the fifties is ok.'Legal' taxation without representation is ok.'Legal' lies are ok.'Legal' poison like alcohol is ok.'Legal' wealth, obtained through 'legal' actions like exploitation of the third world, 'legal' wars of conquest and aquisition, and 'legal' systematic destruction of our planetary ecosphere is ok.'Legal'legislation to support and uphold all these 
legal activities through the binding of our civil rights by 'legal' interpreters (known as lawyers), is ok.Hey F-- your 'legal' how about real ethical common sense? How about the moral compunction of a true follower of the prophet that these blatherers of 'law and order' constantly refer to?A wealthy man give it up? Never in any millennium. At this point, and in any true history to follow these days of turmoil and upheaval, what should be 'illegal' is wealth above and beyond an equitable level of necessity and comfort. The real 'criminals' are running the show, and their 'law' is nothing more than rules for the maintenance of their exclusive club of monsters.My young daughter asked me several years ago if there were such things as 'monsters.' I waited till the evening news, and pointed some of them out.
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Comment #7 posted by FoM on May 01, 2006 at 09:22:27 PT

Christen-Mitchell 
Thank you for the pictures. Looking at the pictures of those fine looking young people gives me hope for a better tomorrow. 
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Comment #6 posted by Christen-Mitchell on May 01, 2006 at 09:15:08 PT:

Heroes of The Revolution
A man in Norway sent me this link. He asked if this was legal
Farrand Field Snitch Pictures
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Comment #5 posted by observer on May 01, 2006 at 09:00:30 PT

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes
[Who will police the police?] -- Cicerohttp://whosarat.com/

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Comment #4 posted by dongenero on May 01, 2006 at 08:26:34 PT

Univ. of Colorado poice web site
The police pictures of the 4/20 gathering in Boulder, certainly show a nice looking bunch of young people.This sure looks better than the images we all see of drunken students at spring break "girls gone wild" type of gatherings or drunken student hazing.This looks like a calm, peaceful gathering...SO!!! Round 'em up officers! 
In the words of Rush Limbaugh...."bunch of maggot infested dope smokers".Ah, maybe someday common sense will prevail. All you really have to do is open your eyes. Just look at the pictures.
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Comment #3 posted by mai_bong_city on May 01, 2006 at 07:49:30 PT

justice and the idiot
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/F/B/limbaugh_newbook.jpg"The FDA says there's no -- zilch, zero, nada -- shred of medicinal value to the evil weed marijuana. This is going to be a setback to the long-haired, maggot-infested, dope-smoking crowd." (Rush Limbaugh on his radio show, April 21, 2006).but there's medicinal value in stockpiling 2000 oxy's, ain't there? sheesh. what world is this? is there any other planet i can get a ride to? please?
rush l., idiot.
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Comment #2 posted by FoM on May 01, 2006 at 07:47:20 PT

TroutMask
Good idea. I love this picture.http://www.freedomtoexhale.com/cday.jpg
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Comment #1 posted by TroutMask on May 01, 2006 at 07:41:20 PT

Next year: Costume Party
Next year everyone should wear costumes with masks.-TM
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