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  SAFER Pushing To Legalize Marijuana Statewide

Posted by CN Staff on March 02, 2006 at 08:22:51 PT
By Terry Jessup, Reporting 
Source: CBS News 

Denver -- The group that successfully passed an initiative that legalized small amounts of marijuana in Denver is trying to do the same statewide. Safer Alternatives for Enjoyable Recreation (SAFER), has already gathered the required 68,000 signatures of registered voters to put the bill on the November ballot. "The people in Denver made it very loud and very clear that they do not want adults punished simply for making the rational, safer choice to use marijuana instead of alcohol in this city," said Mason Tvert, SAFER's campaign director.
Their plan would make it legal to use or possess marijuana in quantities of 1 ounce or less. The pot could only be used in private, and it would still be illegal if the person was under 21. "It's certainly going to cause more problems," said Mitch Morrisey, Denver's district attorney. "The kinds of crimes that go along with it, not just the use, the sale of it and those types of things." Morrisey doesn't believe the bill will be passed and said today's marijuana is anything but harmless after talking to many drug addicts at treatment centers. "Every single one of them told us that they started by using marijuana," Morrisey said. "So anybody that tries to tell anybody that this is not a gateway drug that leads to other drugs, that we have huge problems within our society, they're kidding you."SAFER is using the same strategy that won in Denver which is the idea that marijuana is less harmful than alcohol and people are going to use both. "This is really about educating the public about the fact that marijuana is a less harmful drug than alcohol, and that it makes no sense to have laws that push people towards using the more harmful of the two," Tvert said. "The marijuana today is much more potent," Morrisey said. "It has a big impact on the individuals who smoke it, and anybody who believes that we'll have a safer state because you can possess marijuana and smoke it, I think is smoking a bit too much of their own product." If SAFER gets the bill passed statewide, Colorado would be the first in the country to legalize marijuana. Source: CBS News (US Web)Author: Terry Jessup, ReportingPublished: March 01, 2006Copyright: MMVI, CBS Broadcasting Inc.Related Articles & Web Site:Safer Coloradohttp://www.safercolorado.org/Pot Advocates Push Statewide Legalizationhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21462.shtmlMarijuana Wars Set To Continuehttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21430.shtmlState Initiative Next Step for Marijuana Backershttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21421.shtml 

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Comment #142 posted by Toker00 on March 04, 2006 at 05:16:38 PT
Aww Hope
Hope, that's so sad 'bought them little birds. I hope they made it, too!Toke.
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Comment #141 posted by Hope on March 03, 2006 at 21:40:49 PT
Killdeer are one of my favorite birds.
We call them Killdee around here though. I really like to watch them and the show they put on trying to lead you away from their nests...and quail and roadrunners and finches, are fun to watch, too. I love the way finches walk upside down on the bottoms of large branches like flies.Baby quails are like little miniatures of their parents, too...but they are like little balls of fluff. So precious and yet so light as to feel nothing in your hand. No heavier than and about the size of a small ball of cotton. They can blow away on a breeze.Once, I saw a truck in front of me scatter a whole line of them walking across the road in an adorable line behind their mother. Seeing those little birds, with that little curly-que on top of their heads, bobbing along in a line...it's just one of the cutest things ever.I stopped and picked them up from all over the the road and took them out into the grassy ditch near where I thought their mother went. They were lifeless...unconcious at least, but most of them didn't appear crushed or maimed...just knocked out. It was so sad. They flew in the air fifteen feet in every direction on the draft from the truck. Maybe they were sulling...like birds will do when they're frightened sometimes. I hope so. I hope they revived. The mother ran from the horror of it all, but I bet she was nearby when they revived. I always like to think they did.My sister and I burned brush today...finally the burn ban was lifted, but I can't burn the brush pile out behind my house. Yesterday I saw a mockingbird starting a nest in it. That's happened to me before. But I can't burn it...even if it looks tacky. That's just tough. I'm not going to burn it when I know there are birds or bunnies living in it. Maybe I'll just plant some flowering vines all around it to make it'll look like some sort of odd flowering berm instead of a pile of brush all summer.
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Comment #140 posted by FoM on March 03, 2006 at 20:28:35 PT
Hope
A picture of a killdeer. They were so cute. They lay their eggs in the middle of the gravel. Kind of dumb. That's how to make a sail bird. LOL!http://www.birdwatching.com/stories/killdeer.html
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Comment #139 posted by Hope on March 03, 2006 at 20:20:27 PT
That's good to hear.
My oldest son still gets miffed when he thinks about Santa Claus.
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Comment #138 posted by FoM on March 03, 2006 at 20:16:42 PT
Hope
No he didn't get mad he laughed and went well. LOL!
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Comment #137 posted by FoM on March 03, 2006 at 20:14:52 PT
Hope
I can't imagine being without a dog out here in the country. I would be afraid. I hope the new dog works out for you but I found my dog using this link if he doesn't work out just type in your zip code and ask to see pictures and you'll find many dogs for adoption. I'm glad you liked the turtle story. We had kildeer (sp) that would lay their eggs in our gravel driveway and we had to be careful not to run over them. The mom kildeer pretends it has a broken wing when you get near her eggs so we could always locate the eggs and not run over them. When they hatched they would run up the driveway in front of our car. It was cool to see.http://www.petfinder.com/
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Comment #136 posted by Hope on March 03, 2006 at 20:06:16 PT
I bet your son got mad at him when he found out...
"I believed you! I've told people that turtle's scream...and now they'll think I'm an idiot."
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Comment #135 posted by Hope on March 03, 2006 at 20:02:08 PT
Oh my gosh, FoM.
Thinking of a turtle screaming had me getting pretty awed and sad for a minute there. I believed it too, though I'd never heard such an awful thing. I've never picked up a strange injured cat or seriously injured dog...although it devastates me to know they are suffering and I'm too fearful to mess with them. I hate to see eyes shining in an obvious road kill. I have stopped and carried turtles across the road a few times, though. I've heard that if you don't put them on the side of the road they were headed toward that as soon as you leave them they will go back out in the road again.Rabbits and goats scream. Actually dogs and horses do too...but a rabbit scream and goat scream sound sort of human.All that dog talk yesterday...and I've been out of a dog for quite a while now. My sister calls and says her husband was forced to rescue a dog from the highway...a busy three way 70 mph intersection. He was a strange dog and he was going to get run over and my brother in law couldn't bear to watch it happen. She knew I was dogless and she was already taking care of three large dogs in a very small house. I didn't think too much of the idea. Then, last night, I'm afraid I saw a prowler outside one of my open windows.Now I've got a big yellow lab lying beside me as I type. He's got grease and tar all over him and he's pretty scarred up but doesn't seem to have any serious problems. He seems happy to be here and he seems to be a very nice animal. We're still looking for his owners...he had a too tight chain collar but no tags. I don't have any dog food yet...I'll get some tomorrow but he seemed to think a big bowl of buttered cornbread, cheese soup, and a chicken breast were pretty good doings. His owners will probably show up just as I got real attached to him.All those things together, though, made me think...maybe this is my dog. Maybe not. But I think he might be a good watchdog and not destructive like one lab that came here a couple of years ago. He's completely mature so he won't likely chew the posts off the porch and the lid off the hot tub.:0) about my story...you could visualize it pretty well then? I could visualize yours very well...right down to his dad's voice telling him that turtle story, as well as your son's subsequent awe at such a prospect. 
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Comment #134 posted by FoM on March 03, 2006 at 19:10:35 PT
Hope
Boy can you tell a story. Thanks. I'll tell you my critter story.My husband, son and myself were driving home down the gravel lane that leads to our house and a turtle was in the middle of the road. My husband stopped and got out and moved the turtle off the road while we watched him. He got back in the car and we said that was kind of him to move the turtle off the road. He turned to us and said very seriously that he had to move the turtle because when you run over them he can't stand their scream. We said we didn't know that. He said it's true. Turtles really scream if you run over them and we went home. For years my son thought that turtles screamed! LOL!
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Comment #133 posted by Hope on March 03, 2006 at 18:58:04 PT
Comment 112
The snakes are swimming today! Just got back from the farm not long ago. Baby sister saw a swarm of them today...maybe 12, down at what we call the "snakey pool". I'm talking about stock ponds when I say "pool". In West Texas they call them "Tanks"...it's "Pools" here.Sorry 'bout your keyboard, Herbdoc. That dishwasher thing does work. We used no soap and just plain water and no heat...as in drying. It worked. Lucy Mae sounds like my kind of gal. My mom can turn a snake into something that looks a lot like hamburger meat in a matter of seconds as well. I admire her for dealing with rattlers, I've never had to deal with one personally. My mother has, but it's mostly copperheads and water mocassins around here. That's funny about the wanted posters. One summer I was with my son and his family driving back to their house on a rural road. There was a big snake in the road headed in the vicinity of their house. My son wanted to drive around it because he didn't think it was poisonous. His wife, the mother of two small children, had other notions. She said "Stop!" and used all three of his names and said, "You back up right now and run over that snake. I won't have it biting my babies! You kill that thing right now. Right now! No! You will absolutely not get out and see if it's poisonous! It's dark! It's dark and it might bite you! You kill that snake right now or I'll never speak to you again! " I added a grandmother's enthusiasm to the mother's, for dispatching the poor creature. We made him run over the poor thing about five times...till he absolutely refused and said, "You'll are scary. You'll are nuts!"Of course the children were big eyed and silently observing this entire scenario. They were very impressed at their mother's apparent bloodlust. They seemed to feel a certain awe, too, at their mother's behavior, because it was obvious their mama wasn't going to let any snake get them...ever.He went to check on it the next morning and was dismayed to find he'd killed a non poisonous snake. I felt guilt, too. I will make allowances for the non poisonous variety...but she won't.Herbdoc, what you said about droughts and shortages of cannabis. I've seen it, too and for sure that's when some people are likely to dabble in harder drugs that normally wouldn't. I heard a comedian once say, "Pot doesn't lead to other drugs. Running out of pot leads to other drugs." But it's true for some people. If the law ever did cause a serious shortage...you can bet we'd have a sudden influx of more allies. The people I'm talking about don't worry about it if they have no trouble finding it. But they might be willing to come out of the closet and say a word or two about it if they thought the shortage would last. For me it's not been about the cannabis...it's about what authorities are doing to people because of cannabis criminalization that got me fired up. But I have a feeling, if there was a serious shortage, more activists would be born.Lombar, I liked what you wrote, especially, "Like Sisyphus and his rock... only one of these times we'll get it over the edge and it will land directly upon the ill notion of war."gw...I'm sorry to hear that your dogs are "broken". I bet they're content though, and grateful that you feed and shelter them.Dongenero...both my sons are that way...St. Francis like, to any sort of creature, except one has a problem with arachnaphobia. They are the people that if they find an injured stray cat on the side of the road will immediately try to rescue it or take it to a vet and tell them... it's not their animal, but they'd pay the doctor bills if they could find it's owner or adopt it out. I've known both of them to do that. Neither one wanted to adopt the animals they rescued...they just couldn't bear not to help them.
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Comment #132 posted by global_warming on March 03, 2006 at 18:02:03 PT
if you have no 'soul
you are one step from 'eternity
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Comment #131 posted by global_warming on March 03, 2006 at 17:49:36 PT
if you have no 'eyes
feel the 'heat
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Comment #130 posted by global_warming on March 03, 2006 at 17:30:36 PT
is this not the place?
keep a 'good 'eye
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Comment #129 posted by global_warming on March 03, 2006 at 16:55:05 PT
'we 
like ColoradoStand up and vote
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Comment #128 posted by global_warming on March 03, 2006 at 16:50:36 PT
i wish
for those old and broken dogs, with no teethis not this place,where 'we can bring heart and mindtogetherto witness
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Comment #127 posted by FoM on March 03, 2006 at 16:38:24 PT
Correction
Your dogs don't have any teeth now that's bad.
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Comment #126 posted by FoM on March 03, 2006 at 16:37:06 PT
global_warming
Sorry to read some of your dogs have broken teeth.
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Comment #125 posted by global_warming on March 03, 2006 at 16:34:55 PT
that is rule, not 'control
that next deep breath you take,with that 'twinkle in 'your eyemay you receive that 'sparklethat Light that has made this world,
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Comment #124 posted by global_warming on March 03, 2006 at 16:20:04 PT
rule..as in arbitrate
Gen 1:26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness. They will rule the fish of the sea, the birds of the sky, the animals, all the earth, and the creatures that crawl on the earth." 
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Comment #123 posted by global_warming on March 03, 2006 at 16:05:10 PT
re:patimohka
perhaps, someday you can elaborate on some of those other 200 rules, in the meantime, it seems that it is my lot in this life to have some dogs living here, who are mostly broken and have no teeth, maybe, for some unknown reason, it is my place, to bring these mortal creatures back 'home.
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Comment #122 posted by FoM on March 03, 2006 at 13:35:40 PT
lombar
Thank you for sharing your viewpoints here with us. As far as my faith goes I just let whatever is going to happen happen and just try to go with it. I don't try to figure it all out anymore because I never could. I do believe that all things that happen have a purpose whether it's good or bad.
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Comment #121 posted by FoM on March 03, 2006 at 13:25:44 PT
herbdoc215 
I agree with you about security. You just don't know who might want to give anyone any grief or whatever. Yes sir I sure agree!
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Comment #120 posted by herbdoc215 on March 03, 2006 at 13:21:26 PT
dankhank.........It's all good ;)
I keep extra's for lurking here...I can just picture Hope whuppin ass on a snake and see why we are going to win this war eventually as that spirit is one I sure wouldn't want directed at me!
FoM.....be extra aware of computer security issues in these days of craziness....alot of people and places who have simular beliefs as ours have also been noticing little net 'blips' and wierdness in general as the cops have never generated the talent to do this seemless.....even having the "key's" handed to them on a platter by Patriot Act (whew what a name there).....I know we/you ain't doing nothing wrong so I don't mean to suggest there is any danger just that these dudes are clumsy and fishing and are as apt to tear crap up as they are to troll on by as finesse isn't exactly their strong point! Just a thought of mine when I read your comment about net slowness/weirdness??? Better safe/aware than sorry and while these nutty cops don't worry me none I like to keep my eye on those slippery devils! Strange days indeed........ Peace, Steve Tuck
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Comment #119 posted by lombar on March 03, 2006 at 13:06:26 PT
If my chicken scratchings help one person
..then its all worthwhile!I've found that alternative views being considered solidify ones own. No points of view are better, or worse, they are equally valid, we each have our own. i find that I am quite impressed with the level of discourse, often daunted by the eloquence with which regulars post here. I have to realize and be confident that I too, have something to contribute, a reason to participate and lengthy list of why cannabis should not be illegal. Electing to be a 'puritan' may save your soul according that set of beliefs but being coerced into it damns us into greater suffering. Full patimohka discipline makes a 'christian' life look easy by comparison. Allowed 2 robes, one bowl. Can only eat once per day, before noon. Can only beg for meal. Must live in forest....and 200 other rules I don't remember You have to drop everything, leave human civilisation behind and spend your days in quiet comtemplation.What test of character is there if there is no temptation? Is it not a bit capricious for an all-knowing being to create a forbidden fruit knowing full well that Adam and Eve would disobey? If he did not 'know' then how can He be said to be omniscient? Being if He is omniscient then by creating temptations that supposedly damned people to hell (out of eden) and putting them within reach knowing full well that His creature would disobey and taste the fruit, is that not capricious? So I can step back and say God might have told Moses he created the earth but He did not say exactly how.. Genesis has been used subjugate women on the basis of the creation story, especially by those who cling to literal translations. It was Eves fault in the story. She gave into the serpent and tempted the man... fiction that has destroyed a lot of lives.Would it not also be capricious to create the earth in 7 days then leave tons of archeological and physical data to trick us into thinking the earth is billions of years old???In the last few years I have been at some low lows and coming here has been beneficial.We have tried everything from civil disobedience to fighting in supreme courts of both US and Canada, this proves that ALL LEVEL of the govenment prefer us to be miserable, victims of a totally unsupported war against peaceful people. That only makes it IMPERATIVE that we oppose, that all people be made aware of this particular sham of our society, it demonstrates the lack of democracy and the lack of any real ability for the *people* to make change. For Bush its a flick of a pen, whereas we have to sacrifice, struggle, be martyred, be marginalised and denied civil rights AND STILL we have to keep struggling. Like Sisyphus and his rock... only one of these times we'll get it over the edge and it will land directly upon the ill notion of war. 
SA Opposition pledges hard line on cannabis - Reefer Madness Down Under
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Comment #118 posted by Dankhank on March 03, 2006 at 12:50:22 PT
Keyboard
Lay your keyboard keys-down in the dishwasher ...Then let it dry for a day or two ... keys-down ...good as new ...
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Comment #117 posted by herbdoc215 on March 03, 2006 at 12:42:25 PT
Hope....you owe me a keyboard :) 
As I sprayed coke-cola all over mine laughing after reading your 'woman killing snake' comment....as I've seen several women in my life kill a snake who had the stupidity to slither within range :) Absolute primitive response that is a trip to see as Lucy Mae with a hoe can put a snake into 100 peices in 2 seconds...with a look in her eye while she's doing it that sends shivers up my spine just to picture it!...back when I was going to school and doing field work we tried to get her out of her hatred of snakes and while her mind knows the deal she can't make herself stop before she acts, primal maternal instinct is one of strongest forces in universe.....back when she lived in Lufkin,Tx she was known as the scurge of rattlers across the entire state and rattlers even posted rewards for her over at out fishing hole on Sam Rayburn lake:)
afterburner....your 100% right about Fiberal's lies to me and Canadian people, and you wouldn't believe what else they've lied to me and 1000's of Canadian patients about! Now that there is no more sword of Damicles hanging over my head I hope I can find a way to get entire story of that whole sundry deal out into public eye as I got enough proof to burn their ass if there was ever a gov't to care enough to actually investigate how Ann McClellen killed that whole program out of spite and to prove her allegience to Washington! Every thread of this yarn I've looked at so far keeps coming back to corp/gov't hunger for a slice of the pie....plus they want control of the oven! These are strange sad days, we must learn to look above the agent provacatours and CoIntelPro type crap that Dept. of Homeland Facism is perpetuating against medical cannabis in particular and cannabis producers in general....I guess more people will understand the importance of last 6 months events and changes if a draught of cannabis hits USA like used too back in the 80's when half my friends turned too using hard drugs during pot draughts looking for any substance they could find to deaden some kind of pain as MD's handed out pain meds in those days like they were coming out of their supply!
All over USA in 80's cops started trying to infiltrate local grow/distribution circles and turn everybody on each other and put 1/2 in prison and the 1/2 with money on probation from hell for next 10 years so supply chains got sketchy as hell...while nature of black market ensures someone will fill vacuum the ones who suffer most are the sick folks who HAVE to have quality to get full medical benefit...last 10 years has spoiled everybody...BUT cannabis is a commodity and while can be "canned" somewhat is always best fresh and green.....NOBODIES going to like going back to Mexi-days of 80's so I figure the cops just drafted >100,000 people who used to be growers and now are activists! We must know are history so we don't ensure we repeat it in an endless cycle! sorry for ramble....Peace, steve tuck 
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Comment #116 posted by FoM on March 03, 2006 at 11:03:52 PT
Snakes
A few years back I stepped on a tiny little snake while I was in the woods. I got Poison Ivy too. I haven't been in the woods since then. I learned my lesson! LOL!
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Comment #115 posted by FoM on March 03, 2006 at 10:58:38 PT
A Song For Us! LOL!
"Spiders And Snakes" by Jim Staffordhttp://www.terrificmusic.com/files/music/S/spiders_and_snakes_jim_stafford.ram
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Comment #114 posted by dongenero on March 03, 2006 at 10:55:43 PT
the ones that should know better
the ones that should know better
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Comment #113 posted by dongenero on March 03, 2006 at 10:53:54 PT
Hope
The snake subject is very amusing as I loved snakes when I was a kid. My frineds and I often had several pets.These days, when I'm on the trail, I am the guy who ushers a poisonous snake off the trail and into hiding so no one comes along and kills him.(Mind you , these are not the prohibitionist snakes but the literal ones)
I'm always protective of all animals. My wife thinks I may be another St. Francis.It's the devious thinking, truly evil, two legged snakes that set me off.
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Comment #112 posted by FoM on March 03, 2006 at 10:50:04 PT
Hope
Maybe the snakes will be swimming with the fishes soon! I couldn't resist saying that but if I lived near the sea I would be concerned.Antarctic Ice Sheet Is Melting RapidlyNew Study Warns Of Rising Sea Levelshttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/02/AR2006030201712.html
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Comment #111 posted by Hope on March 03, 2006 at 10:42:15 PT
Perhaps this evening
I can relate to you a few of my pit-viper dispatch stories. But it will be hard on the snake lovers out there so I probably will refrain. I don't hate the varmints...but they can cause death and horror and I've got to decide what happens to them on the basis of what they could do to my child or anyone's child or anyone, or myself, for that matter. I do try to avoid hurting in any way a non poisonous snake. This prohibition can be just like that pit-viper and hurt and kill so many. It's got to be dispatched to the past, and thoroughly, very thoroughly.
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Comment #110 posted by FoM on March 03, 2006 at 10:37:18 PT
A Little Off Topic
I seem to be having computer problems so if I seem a little slower posting any news if I find some to post it would be because of that. My computer is lugging a lot these last couple of days and I can't figure out what is wrong. Hopefully it will fix itself or something. 
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Comment #109 posted by Hope on March 03, 2006 at 10:27:42 PT
When we are forced into the thick of battle
I think women, because of that protective instinct can give ourselves over to absolute savageness. We are careful of that in ourselves. Ever see a woman kill a poisonous snake? It aint' pretty...it's savage beyond understanding...and it's thorough and complete.
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Comment #108 posted by Hope on March 03, 2006 at 10:24:52 PT
Dongenero
"There is such a tendency in the powers that be to only respond to the loudest, not that which is rational or compassionate."That's too true.I understand full well about not wanting to be martyr. Trying to prevent any more martyrdom is what it's about for me. I can't bear to see this injustice and death played out again and again. It's got to stop. It's in most men's nature to be confrontational and duke it out. Most women would rather get to the same goal without loss of life and freedom, using reason, if they can possibly manage it. We're probably that way for a reason and we balance each other well, for that reason.So yes...Marc is like a knight going into battle...all flags flying. We're the ones that want you knights to make it through the battle alive and well, victorious, but with as little damage as possible. And we aren't beyond suiting up and mounting up to joining in the thick of battle ourselves, but our inherent gentleness wants as little grief and loss as possible for all those we battle for. Don't mistake that for cowardice or timidity...because it's not. It's just our nature to avoid loss whenever possible.And you know what? I believe we are going to make it through and we are going to be victorious in ending a terrible injustice.There was a time when many people, apparently, believed that child labor, slavery, burning witches, torturing "heretics", and prohibition of alcohol were necessary elements of society, necessary for a country to prosper. People like us changed that.
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Comment #107 posted by dongenero on March 03, 2006 at 10:03:04 PT
whew!
Well, that's my psychoanalysis for the day.Have a great weekend all. Keep the faith.
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Comment #106 posted by dongenero on March 03, 2006 at 10:00:38 PT
yes Hope
I tend to be confrontational in the face of injustice.I agree that this can sometimes be effective and sometimes be detrimental.There is such a tendency in the powers that be to only respond to the loudest, not that which is rational or compassionate.
That indifference tends to make me demanding.
I certainly don't want to be a martyr. I am not that strong of character. I don't need that trouble!
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Comment #105 posted by FoM on March 03, 2006 at 09:19:53 PT
Hope
Thank you. I really don't want anyone of us to get in trouble. I don't want to live with guilt and if we go slow and easy maybe no one will get hurt.
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Comment #104 posted by Hope on March 03, 2006 at 09:17:38 PT
"Steady as she goes"
And you are remarkably "steady" and you are moving us steadily and carefully towards our goal.
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Comment #103 posted by FoM on March 03, 2006 at 09:12:22 PT
Hope
Women are different. I am quiet and try hard to help change the laws but I won't get up and shout about it. I am an activist but I just don't want to be a martyr. I'm a steady as she goes kind of person.
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Comment #102 posted by dongenero on March 03, 2006 at 09:11:13 PT
Hope
I understand completely and agree.That was beautifully stated Hope.
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Comment #101 posted by Hope on March 03, 2006 at 09:03:48 PT
Dongenero
The injustice of the laws is why we are all here. I've been keeping up with Marc the best I could long before I had a computer. I subscribed to High Times back then so that I could have some idea of what was going on in the world of cannabis prohibition. The mag wasn't, for me, lessons in growing, seeing pictures of cannabis, or attaining... but a valuable source of news and Marc often figured prominently in some of that valuable news. I hate for cannabists, or even consumers of other substances, to be jailed or persecuted...it's wrong...but one thing I said to myself when I started getting vocal about reform outside my circle of acquaintances... was that in no way...for me...was cannabis worth going to jail over or dieing over. But it is worth going to jail or dying for, if it comes to that, to end the persecution and suffering caused by that prohibition. Marc worries me for the fact that he's made himself so vulnerable, but that's his way. I understand that FoM is a quieter, more cautious person and worries that Marc's methods may actually slow down our progress towards law changes. I hope she's wrong about that and I'm sure she does, too. Marc is a "Boomer" and a more conservative person will be worried that some of his "booming" might cause us to have to take some of those backwards steps we've had to take in this journey. And besides that...I think FoM has that same sense of people that many animals have...and naturally, as with our four legged friends...she has misgivings and concerns about the "Boomers" among us.As I walk through this "valley of the shadow of death"...I don't want to step on any of the snake heads lying about. I want to smash them dead without getting bitten by their stinkin venom. Marc, on the other hand, seems to grab up the serpents and get them all shook up and by his "Booming" he's getting them all riled up. That makes me nervous, as it does FoM. Our sense of caution makes us worry about riling the snakes before we can get them out of the house. Obviously, Boomers can kill snakes...it can seem like shooting the shotgun in the house to some of the rest of us trying to hunt down those snakes and get rid of them.Probably doesn't make any sense, but I know how important this is to FoM and all of us and she's got a plan...one, hopefully, that won't get any of us bitten by the monster laws that lurk about us like poisonous snakes.Marc's busting down the front door while FoM is trying to tread softly and give no snake an excuse for striking at her.At least that's what I think. Many people despise us all for how we feel about this. I can certainly understand FoM's reluctance to stand too near Marc as he sets off his rockets and bombs. Marc's personality and FoM's are like oil and water. They can be in the same vessel together...but they aren't going to mix well.FoM is a woman, as I am...and we don't always use the same boistrous methods as men like. They like to see that "booming". We'd prefer the safer route to guide our children, families, and friends through. It's that nurturing thing I guess. Marc wants to confront them...we just want to overcome them with as little hullabaloo as possible. We probably need both kinds of people in this movement. We all have the same goal...end the persecution.Believe me, though, while Marc's busting down the front door...FoM is quietly cutting the heads off every snake she sees and in the long run...she's going to kill just as much injustice...and maybe more.
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Comment #100 posted by dongenero on March 03, 2006 at 09:02:19 PT
yes indeed FoM
Yes indeed.
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Comment #99 posted by FoM on March 03, 2006 at 09:01:16 PT
dongenero
I understand. I wish Marc Emery no harm. I personally am very upset about Jerry Sisson being in a Federal Prison far from home and his wife. http://www.terryhubbard.com/J/ http://www.terryhubbard.com/Let/LetMyPeopleGrow.html
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Comment #98 posted by dongenero on March 03, 2006 at 08:54:14 PT
that's what I'm trying to say FoM
I'm just trying to express a rational for supporting Emery in this matter, or any other casualty in this war against cannabis.Yes, he profited from the sale of seeds but, many do and always will. That is capitalism and not necessarily bad in concept. Emery has thankfully done a great deal to promote freedom of cannabis and as such, he has not only profited but has given back as well. He has given a great deal to the cause financially, ideologically and now especially, personally. 
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Comment #97 posted by FoM on March 03, 2006 at 08:44:08 PT
dongenero
I'm glad you are ok. As far as Emery goes he did break the law and we have people we care for right now in prison for breaking the law. The law is wrong and hopefully we can get the laws changed so this all stops.
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Comment #96 posted by dongenero on March 03, 2006 at 08:38:32 PT
no FoM I'm okay, thanks
No I'm not upset FoM. Thanks for asking. :)
At least not beyond my normal level of discontent with the issue we all share here..:OMy comments are in response to sentiments that suggest Emery broke the law so, he has this bust coming. I think that argument is an illogical position for anyone who is pro-cannabis. Anyone who smokes or possesses cannabis is in that same market because at some point all the cannabis in the US started as illegally imported final product or as an illegal seed either purchased or smuggled into this country by people working within the black market created by Prohibition. I'm sorry if my previous text did not seem calm or measured.
Typed word can sometimes be misconstrued due to the missing components of emotion, tone of voice, etc.
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Comment #95 posted by FoM on March 03, 2006 at 08:28:50 PT
dongenero
Here's a link to my states laws.http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4557
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Comment #94 posted by FoM on March 03, 2006 at 08:26:40 PT
dongenero
I am confused by your comment but I agree that prohibition of cannabis is wrong. In my state smoking marijuana and getting caught is only a small fine and no record but if you get caught with a pipe you can get a big fine and maybe even a jail sentence. 
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Comment #93 posted by Hope on March 03, 2006 at 08:13:10 PT
Lombar
When at CNews, I am in the prescense of many wise and learned men and women... you among them, Lombar. I lack the vocabulary to know what to call what you have been saying. I can say, Wow...that's so deep! And I actually understand what you are saying!To be "at the city gates", or the forum, with the wise ones discussing all the things we do here...is such an honor and a privilege. The WoD did cause one good thing... this gathering, the people here, and all I've learned and experienced here. This gathering is a blessing...a pearl that we found in a big ole nasty poop filled oyster...the WoD.Thank you, Lombar.
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Comment #92 posted by FoM on March 03, 2006 at 07:56:06 PT
dongenero
Are you upset about something? 
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Comment #91 posted by dongenero on March 03, 2006 at 06:57:44 PT
The US laws
That's why I come to this site. The laws are wrong and need to be changed.I come here to monitor news regarding the ultimate change in those laws and the movement to do so.Yes, Emery allegedly sent seeds to the US, some to certified state medical marijuana patients and some certainly not. Anybody in here who smokes cannabis in the US is technically violating the law. Even if they are a state approved medical patient, they are violating federal law.I would not defend these unjust laws over the incarceration of someone who sold seeds, anymore than I would over someone who simply was caught smoking. That would be hypocritical.Prohibition of cannabis (including seeds) is bad law, bad government policy.
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Comment #90 posted by lombar on March 03, 2006 at 00:09:55 PT
Hope and Faith
You would already have hope if you believe prayer helps. If you truly had no hope then you would *know*(ie really believe...) that nothing could help. Faith sustains when hope subsides or conditions appear bleak. Hope arises from faith, faith that things actually can improve.The tighter one grasps the impermanent with ones mind as permanent, the more one suffers. Hope and despair cycle with conditions but how we react to our own mental states determines what level of suffering we induce within ourselves. External causes of suffering may well be beyond our control but what are we? Faith of any kind helps individuals overcome suffering but the wise will root out the causes by observing reality as it is,it takes some kind of faith to inspire the search for truth. Is it easier to overcome suffering or through prudence, mindful action, to avoid it in the first place? In the 'kingdom of heaven' there is no need for hope(the mental/emotional state ;)), no cause for despair. There is only joy. :)Ok back to earth. ;)
The Foundations of Mindfulness
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Comment #89 posted by Hope on March 02, 2006 at 22:12:10 PT
DEA Cheerleaders
It's easy to imagine them going into Canada and working the Canadians up...and reminding them about all the siezures and fines they were letting get by them.
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Comment #88 posted by Hope on March 02, 2006 at 22:10:32 PT
No!!!!
Afterburner!!! Keep 'em there! We don't need any more politicians!
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Comment #87 posted by Hope on March 02, 2006 at 22:08:56 PT
Afterburner
I'd forgotten that seed rip off they put Herbdoc through. Looks like they are going to have to extradite all of your government that participated in that deal and subsequent rip off.
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Comment #86 posted by FoM on March 02, 2006 at 22:07:10 PT
afterburner 
I understand but when the seeds crossed into the USA that's where it all went wrong. Tommy Chong got in trouble because of a law in one state.
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Comment #85 posted by Hope on March 02, 2006 at 22:06:09 PT
Had Enough
That makes me smile to think of it. A book I read years ago, Clan of the Cave Bear...I think, had an interesting take on it. It involved a wolf watching a man hunt from a distance for some time and finally deciding to help him by moving the prey towards him. The guy recognized what the canine did and shared the meat with him and they slowly took to hanging and hunting together. Knowing dogs, I'm pretty sure it had something to do with sharing food or shelter. 
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Comment #84 posted by afterburner on March 02, 2006 at 21:52:54 PT
Seeds Legal for < 1000 MMAR Exemptees...
and *tolerated* commercially until the DEA invaded Canada in 2004. Now, the RCMP is on the warpath, egged on by the new Conservative minority government, which campaigned on a platform of cancelling decriminalization. 
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Comment #83 posted by Had Enough on March 02, 2006 at 21:34:14 PT
Domestications
Hope comment #76 “ I like to wonder or imagine sometimes about how the first dogs and the first people might have become companions.”When early man used to eat meat cooked on open fires, they would throw scrapes to the wolves near by. After awhile these wolves became domesticated. Then bred, and re-bred, and so on and so on. Every dog to this day, regardless of breed, still has wolf DNA. I saw this on History Channel or maybe Discovery Channel. It was a pretty good show.
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Comment #82 posted by FoM on March 02, 2006 at 21:11:03 PT
afterburner 
I thought seeds were illegal in Canada but not considered an issue until recently. 
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Comment #81 posted by afterburner on March 02, 2006 at 21:05:48 PT
Lest We Forget
Cannabis seeds are not illegal in Canada. The Canadian government (Health Canada) sells them to a very small group of Medical Marijuana Exemptees. This group is larger than the survivors of the US Compassionate Investigation program, but much smaller than the number of medical marijuana patients in the State of Oregon.Where did Health Canada get the seeds they sell? From Steve Tuck! They promised him that they would provide them to ill Canadian citizens and residents *at no charge*, but they reneged on their promise. Is the Canadian government serious about the Medical Marijuana Access Regulations? No, they have repeatedly ignored court orders, and only court orders got the program started in the first place. The number of patients is severely restricted, and frequent re-registration is required."In the meantime, Health Canada has revealed a plan — which Ms. Cripps-Prawax stressed repeatedly is only an interim measure — to sell dried marijuana and seeds to licensed users, with their doctors acting as a go-between."Dried marijuana has been set at only $5 a gram, between one-half and one-fifth the price it usually sells for on the street. The price for a package of seeds has been set at $20." --Ottawa Set To Sell Its Medical Marijuana. 
Posted by CN Staff on July 09, 2003 at 08:49:01 PT.
By Oliver Moore, Globe and Mail Update. 
Source: Globe and Mail 
http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/16/thread16795.shtml 
 Comment #4 posted by herbdoc215 on July 09, 2003 at 12:52:08 PT. 
THEY LIED TO ME!!!!!!!! 
"They told me when I gave them the genetics that this was to be given free like I gave it to them....lying bastards. I am going to sue them this time, just watch and see!" Peace, steve tuck
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Comment #80 posted by FoM on March 02, 2006 at 21:00:50 PT
Hope
I forgot about being striped but yes they are. Their skin is so loose and the silver color makes it look like stripes. My Vet taught me how to do the dewclaws and tails myself. They are gorgeous at about 4 to 6 weeks old. After that they start getting gangly and look funny for a few months.
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Comment #79 posted by Hope on March 02, 2006 at 20:54:32 PT
Weimaraners
I've had two. They were wonderful and I still miss them sometimes. I never got to see puppies. Both mine were grown when we got them. I've heard they are sometimes even striped when they are newborn.
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Comment #78 posted by Hope on March 02, 2006 at 20:51:04 PT
And Lombar...
That is so interesting. Despair has all too often been my close companion. Many times in praying during those times, I would plead that if I could just have hope...I might make it. Hope can be like a light in the dark. It's fragile...it's nothing...but it's something that can keep a person going and sometimes that's all we need...a little bit of hope, to keep on keeping on. Sometimes we don't need hope. I like that better. But when we need it...it's such a comfort and a power source.
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Comment #77 posted by FoM on March 02, 2006 at 20:49:57 PT
Hope
Weimaraners are the coolest dogs. We raised so many litters of them. They have the most beautiful blue eyes when they are puppies. They are clowns and seemed more like a person then a dog sometimes. If I was younger I'd get a Weimaraner pup but I know it would wear me out now. I know how they are. LOL!http://images.google.com/images?q=weimaraner&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images
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Comment #76 posted by Hope on March 02, 2006 at 20:37:56 PT
Ebbie has to be beautiful if she looks like 
the dog in the picture. Dogs can be amazing with children. When a dog is good with children and likes them, it is, like you said, a wonderful thing to watch.One night when my son was two or three years old, the boxer female we had started a ruckus about something she could hear or see in the pasture behind our house. My son and I followed my husband out to see what it was. When they got to the gate in the pasture, the dog put her mouth around my son's wrist and would not let him follow his Daddy through that gate.Some dog's love, intelligence, sense of duty, and protective instincts are wonderful to behold. I like to wonder or imagine sometimes about how the first dogs and the first people might have become companions.There was a time when I used to come home and find the reciever to the wall phone down on the floor. I couldn't imagine how it got there and another time I called home and when the phone was answered I could only hear a dog, that sounded like my dog, then it hung up again. It was mounted high on the wall, too. One day not long after that I was busy when the phone rang and my Weimaraner finally ran to it ...stood on his hind legs and boosted the reciever off the hook and started barking into it. I figured it out then.
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Comment #75 posted by FoM on March 02, 2006 at 19:43:51 PT
GreenJoy 
It's good to see you. I hope the day will come when Hemp can be grown in the states. It has so many uses.
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Comment #74 posted by GreenJoy on March 02, 2006 at 19:26:28 PT
Hemp for Dowgies!
I wouldn't be surprised if its been mentioned, but a weekly sometimes bi weekly splash of hemp oil on my dogs food has really made him shine. Less callouses and hot spots. The stuff is imported from Manitoba and is kinda pricey but is worth it!
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Comment #73 posted by Had Enough on March 02, 2006 at 18:32:34 PT
Time Shares
I feel fortunate to have shared our time with her. Sorry to hear about your Rott.ekim. Titanium teeth!!! I wouldn't want to be caught by that. Ouch!!! lol
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Comment #72 posted by FoM on March 02, 2006 at 18:21:28 PT
Had Enough 
That's remarkable.
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Comment #71 posted by Had Enough on March 02, 2006 at 18:19:10 PT
Twins
The first picture could be her twin. It looks just like her, brown eyes and the white hair around the mouth. Identical. The others are real close too. She also has a lot of spirited pride.She still has a tumor that grew in about 5 yrs after the first cancer bout. She has a tumor a little bit smaller than the size of a soccer ball; When the Vet went to remove it he stopped. He said it had a cord attached to the liver about an inch in diameter, and if he had cut it, she would probably have bleed to death before he could stop the bleeding. He sowed her back up; she recovered from the wound in a matter of a few days. That was about 3 yrs ago. She still has the tumor in her; she still chases cats, barks at people who come around, likes to go for rides, and the whole nine yards. The Vet is very pleased with her progress.
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Comment #70 posted by FoM on March 02, 2006 at 18:15:18 PT
ekim
Thanks for telling us your dog story. Dogs are man's best friend. I have about a dozen outside cats and they keep the critter population under control but I have never been into cats. Dogs oh yes.
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Comment #69 posted by lombar on March 02, 2006 at 18:12:58 PT
Hope is samsaric in nature. Of this existence.
Hope, and its opposite, despair, are impermanent, a cause of unsatisfactoryness, and not self(as are other opposites). Transient mental states based upon conditions and mental conditioning. Recognising these states as impermanent lets one ride the roller coaster without upchucking ... so to speak... A feeling arises with stimuli of the 6 senses, being that it has arisen as a condtion of that arising, it will abide for a time and then cease. They say by transcending such opposites(good, evil, light, dark, love,hate) can one truly percieve reality as it is. Hope also depends upon anticipating some better future where meditation helps one focus on now. Be happy now, for now is when you exist. If you do a good deed, it is now. As I type this, it is 'now' for me and it will be 'now' for you when you read it. Being mindful of the here and now does not preclude hope but hope is a distraction as it is a yearning which is based upon some discontent in the now. Recognising that discontent within oneself is the first step in uprooting the causes.
 
Of course if the causes are external, it is likely injustice bothering the good of heart, like the war on drugs. Or the persecuted being denied liberty on the basis of the drug war lies. If you care, then the suffering of others becomes your own, the closer they are, the more one suffers. Hope is much better feeling than despair and here is some:Cannabis, motivation, and life satisfaction in an internet sampleAlthough little evidence supports cannabis-induced amotivational syndrome, sources continue to assert that the drug saps motivation [1], which may guide current prohibitions. Few studies report low motivation in chronic users; another reveals that they have higher subjective wellbeing. To assess differences in motivation and subjective wellbeing, we used a large sample (N = 487) and strict definitions of cannabis use (7 days/week) and abstinence (never). Standard statistical techniques showed no differences. Robust statistical methods controlling for heteroscedasticity, non-normality and extreme values found no differences in motivation but a small difference in subjective wellbeing. Medical users of cannabis reporting health problems tended to account for a significant portion of subjective wellbeing differences, suggesting that illness decreased wellbeing. All p-values were above p = .05. Thus, daily use of cannabis does not impair motivation. Its impact on subjective wellbeing is small and may actually reflect lower wellbeing due to medical symptoms rather than actual consumption of the plant.The link between cannabis use and low motivation is a source of extensive debate. Anecdotal information describes the cannabis user as listless and incapable. Subsets of cannabis users demonstrating low motivation receive considerable attention in the media and among proponents of marijuana prohibition. Decades ago, researchers adopted the phrase "amotivational" to describe lethargic cannabis users. Amotivational syndrome ranks among key problems associated with the drug, and strengthens policy arguments regarding the public harm that the drug introduces [1]. The US Department of Health and Human Services [1] warns parents that youth cannabis use may result in amotivational symptoms such as an apathetic approach to life, fatigue, and poor academic and work performance. Other studies suggest that cannabis induces general apathy and an inability to progress through life successfully [2]. Yet empirical research on the effects of cannabis on users' motivation suggests a low incidence of these negative outcomes and numerous alternative explanations for their appearance [3-5].Investigations of other indices, including employment and education, also offer little support for amotivation. Cannabis use appears orthogonal to wages or job turnover. An examination of over 8000 people suggests that some frequent cannabis users earn higher wages than abstainers [8]. Compared to non-smokers, marijuana smokers are no more likely to be fired from their jobs [9,10]. Educational outcomes vary among frequent cannabis users. High school students using cannabis are likely to have lower grades than non-users [11], but often report using other substances that may affect grades [e.g. alcohol, other illicit drugs; [12]]. Most heavy users earned lower grades prior to their marijuana consumption, suggesting cannabis could not have caused the poorer performance [13]. College students who smoke cannabis demonstrate comparable [14] or even higher [15,16] grades than their cannabis abstinent classmates, and are more likely to pursue a graduate degree [14].While most cannabis users do not suffer observable problems with motivation, a subset of heavy, chronic users believe that the plant impairs their drive. In several studies heavy cannabis users report that marijuana affected their motivation [17,18]. However, it is notable that other variables (e.g. comorbid drug use, baselines for low motivation) may not be examined. Long-term chronic cannabis users may demonstrate hazardous drinking behaviors [19,18]. Reilly, Didcott, Swift and Hall [18] found that perceived cannabis effects outweighed perceived effects of alcohol, a drug commonly associated with numerous negative consequences [e.g. [20]]. Moreover, many people demonstrate low motivation regardless of drug use. Duncan [21] found that 5% of over 200 students demonstrated amotivational symptoms regardless of substance use. It is possible that marijuana smokers misattribute low motivation symptoms to the plant [3].Furthermore, not all chronic cannabis users reporting low motivation encounter the experience as negative. Compared to occasional smokers, heavy smokers in one study reported lower motivation but also higher levels of life satisfaction [17] – a primary component of subjective wellbeing [22] This result might suggest that users have different goals, but cannabis users do not have a passive and non-materialistic view of achievement compared with nonusers [23]. Thus cannabis users do not necessarily eschew traditional hallmarks of success. Yet if some heavy cannabis users derive life satisfaction outside of these motivated, culturally normative routes, then how may we understand their behaviors? Earleywine [3] ponders whether chronic users reject conventional associations among motivation, productivity and life satisfaction, and ascribe to a subculture of different values.
Cannabis, motivation, and life satisfaction in an internet sample
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Comment #68 posted by FoM on March 02, 2006 at 18:10:16 PT
Had Enough
I lost my Dogue de Bordeaux and my female Rott very close to one another. I was lost without a dog. We bought a little female Rott puppy and she wasn't a kind dog like my first Rott. My husband was playing with a frisbee in the yard with her when she was about 14 months old. When they came in and we put her in a crate to unwind we heard a yip and went out the door and she dropped dead. The Vet said she must have been born with a bad heart.
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Comment #67 posted by ekim on March 02, 2006 at 18:07:32 PT
good going Tooker -- anyone listen to this station
 Drug Truth Network, hosted by Dean Becker KPFT 90.1FM, Houston, Texas and 51 affiliates in Canada and the US. has anyone seen the list of the 51 stations =======================you guys are talken dogs. last week i went with my kid to a vet for his dog, she was bitting the back wheel of the bobcat and snapped off the right front knine under the gum. seems the vet is world renown does much work for zoos and big cats and bears and said does many wolvereens. so now she (isis_) has a new titaneum one. 
http://www.leap.cc/events
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Comment #66 posted by FoM on March 02, 2006 at 18:04:38 PT
Had Enough
I thought the first picture was your dog. Sorry. You're fortunate that she survived cancer. I lost my one female Rott to cancer.
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Comment #65 posted by Had Enough on March 02, 2006 at 18:02:41 PT
Best in My Show
Thank You FoM. She is kind. Never had a bit of behavior problems, except she likes to charge up to people, she does that so they will pet her. She really loves kids and she thinks they are hers. Some people are really scared of her. When I take her for walks, some people clear the sidewalk for us; others will stop to pet her. I watch her close when people are around. If she doesn’t like them, I keep my eye on them. She is the best.The Vet thinks she is Belgian too.
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Comment #64 posted by FoM on March 02, 2006 at 17:41:43 PT
Had Enough
She is very pretty and has kind eyes. My little husky type dog has the sweetest disposition. My Rott is a grumpy old man! LOL!She looks like the Belgium breed.
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Comment #63 posted by Had Enough on March 02, 2006 at 17:34:19 PT
It's A Dogs World
Forgive me but I can’t help it. We’ve had this dog for 11 years. Her name is Ebbie, short for Ebony, but we call her “Baby Girl” or “Shadow”. She answers to all three. My bride used to watch young children, while their parents worked. It was a blast to watch them with her. She would basically be in charge of the kids, and watch over and actually heard them around sometimes. When they would fuss and fight, she would place herself right between them, until they got on to the next adventure. One time one of the parents had a little too much to drink, and came to pick up two of the kids. She wouldn’t let the guy near them. She kept barking and she kept herself between him and the kids. We told him he couldn’t let him drive the kids home. From that time on, whenever he came by, she would be on guard, and would let him know it. We told both the parents that the father could not pick up the kids while intoxicated, and the father agreed. He never came by after he was drinking after that, but the dog would always keep an eye on him.She is supposed to be a German Shepard, but I think she is of the Belgium Sheepdog breed. We were told she had all these fancy papers. We never saw the papers, and didn’t care. We had her spayed before her first heat.She is the best dog that I ever got to hang around with.And she is a cancer survivor.Here are some pictures that look just like her, especially the first one. 
http://markazits.fotki.com/pets/glenda/dscf3398.htmlhttp://www.puppydogweb.com/caninebreeds/blgnshpdog.htmhttp://www.puppydogweb.com/gallery/belgiansheepdogs/e.htm Second Picture in top 
Row.This is off topic to the article, but I just wanted to share this.
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Comment #62 posted by Hope on March 02, 2006 at 16:37:33 PT
Sorry, Arthropod
FoM and I get to talking about dogs and horses and we can really run off topic.You're right. Alaska is apparently easy for some folks to forget about.I just hope Alaska can keep her legalization.
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Comment #61 posted by Arthropod on March 02, 2006 at 16:06:07 PT

Just a side note
Just wanted to point out this little goof. "If SAFER gets the bill passed statewide, Colorado would be the first in the country to legalize marijuana."Alaska has already done this, not sure when, but Alaska allows up to 4 ounces for personal use in the home.
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Comment #60 posted by FoM on March 02, 2006 at 16:00:24 PT

Hope
Purebred dogs are wonderful but my Rott has bad eyes and he is allergic to flea bites. The mixed husky type dog we rescued is so healthy. Her teeth, eyes, coat, body weight and everything is great. If I wanted to make sure that dogs survived if they were possibly becoming endangered, mongrels would be the guarantee that would happen. Plants too can become inbred so much that they will die off. Look what they did to the banana! The banana doesn't have seeds anymore. Now it is vulnerable to a blight that could wipe bananas out. If people look at the flower instead of the plant they might not understand the importance of what I mean.
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Comment #59 posted by Hope on March 02, 2006 at 15:46:51 PT

Purebreds...you usually know what you are getting
but too many years of too much in breeding has brought out their weaknesses...like weak hips in some big breeds...especially German Shepherd. It's a shame. Mixed breeds are usually healthier and stronger, it seems. Mongrel's can be extraordinary dogs, but, of course you risk having unexpected character traits. I'm sure it's the same way in seed selection.Something I've noticed lately is a certain trait on the part of some of the larger shepherd like dogs, like Great Pyranees and St. Bernards and Newfoundlands. They will protect you and fight if they have to, but I've noticed that when something alarms them they'd rather, if given the choice and opportunity, "rescue" you by leading you to safety than to have a standoff. I think that's so funny and sweet. When I first saw it, I thought, "Can that big dog be afraid?" Then I realized they weren't turning their backs on the alarming thing as much as..."Here...follow me...I know a safe place!"
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Comment #58 posted by Hope on March 02, 2006 at 15:37:47 PT

           gw
I hope it was the good side, too! I imagined just a ways above your left ear.:0)
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Comment #57 posted by Hope on March 02, 2006 at 15:35:42 PT

Lombar
That is fascinating. I've never heard of Metta. Very interesting.
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Comment #56 posted by global_warming on March 02, 2006 at 13:47:24 PT

never been to .spain
been around
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Comment #55 posted by global_warming on March 02, 2006 at 13:41:13 PT

lombar
what happened to 'hope
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Comment #54 posted by FoM on March 02, 2006 at 13:35:58 PT

lombar
Very good.
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Comment #53 posted by ekim on March 02, 2006 at 13:32:42 PT

anyone have info on this midwest conference
Mar 3 06 Students For Sensible Drug Policy MidWestern Drug Policy Conference 08:00 AM Sam Robertson Columbia Missouri USA 
 Speaker Sam Robertson is a welcomed guest to the Students For Sensible Drug Policy MidWestern Drug Policy Conference at the University of Missouri at Columbia. Sam has experience in a sheriff's department and will be able to let students know how their lives will change if they are arrested for drug posession. Location: University of Missouri, Columbia. Building and room TBA. Mar 3 06 Drug Truth Network, KPFT 90.1FM 04:20 PM Joe McNamara Houston Texas USA 
 Former Police Chief, Dr. Joseph McNamara of the Hoover Institute, is a guest on Drug Truth Network, hosted by Dean Becker KPFT 90.1FM, Houston, Texas and 51 affiliates in Canada and the US. Mar 4 06 Students For Sensible Drug Policy MidWestern Drug Policy Conference 08:00 AM Brian Leininger Columbia Missouri USA 
 Former Prosecuting Attorney Brian Leininger is a welcomed guest to the Students For Sensible Drug Policy MidWestern Drug Policy Conference at the University of Missouri at Columbia. Location: University of Missouri, Columbia. Building and room TBA. 
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Comment #52 posted by lombar on March 02, 2006 at 13:32:06 PT

Religous like this?
May all beings be free from ill will, may they be happy. May their joys be many and their sorrows few. May they have peace and joy.For those of no particular belief(in any mumbo-jumbo ;)), consider that feelings of goodwill are more positve and conducive to peace and happiness. Feelings of gratitude are more positive than those of envy. Only you control yourself.Turn your hand from ill and to the good. The wise conquer themselves. All actions proceed from intention. MettaThe Pali word metta is a multi-significant term meaning loving-kindness, friendliness, goodwill, benevolence, fellowship, amity, concord, inoffensiveness and non-violence. The Pali commentators define metta as the strong wish for the welfare and happiness of others (parahita-parasukha-kamana). Essentially metta is an altruistic attitude of love and friendliness as distinguished from mere amiability based on self-interest. Through metta one refuses to be offensive and renounces bitterness, resentment and animosity of every kind, developing instead a mind of friendliness, accommodativeness and benevolence which seeks the well-being and happiness of others. True metta is devoid of self-interest. It evokes within a warm-hearted feeling of fellowship, sympathy and love, which grows boundless with practice and overcomes all social, religious, racial, political and economic barriers. Metta is indeed a universal, unselfish and all-embracing love.
The Philosophy and Practice of Universal Love
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Comment #51 posted by FoM on March 02, 2006 at 13:25:20 PT

dongenero
I know what you mean but I have had mostly purebred dogs all my life and yet the mongrels I have had are always healthier. Variety is a good thing.
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Comment #50 posted by global_warming on March 02, 2006 at 13:25:17 PT

'hope it is
the good side of my head
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Comment #49 posted by FoM on March 02, 2006 at 13:22:52 PT

Hope
Thanks again Hope. Do you think it's because women like to fuss over people and things compared to men? Men are fighters and hunters and stuff like that. That's not speaking poorly of men by women are different.
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Comment #48 posted by Hope on March 02, 2006 at 13:21:14 PT

Yes, gw...
and besides the hug you should have gotten a little kiss right up side your head.
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Comment #47 posted by dongenero on March 02, 2006 at 13:21:01 PT

FoM-seeds as a business
At one point, early on in the Canadian medical cannabis program, the government directed people to Marc Emery's business as a source.So, seeds are technically illegal in Canada but, they did not enforce the law for over a decade and in fact referred patients to the same seed businesses they have now shut down. 
People in Canada are right to confused on the matter.As for seeds in general being bought and sold, I don't see why not, other than the legality issue with cannabis specifically. That aside, I buy my tomato seeds each year from Burpee or my local stores. Burpee develops breeding programs for hybrids or maintains heirloom varieties, for which they rightfully charge. Same thing basically, the difference is that tomato seeds are legal everywhere (I think), and cannabis seeds are legal in only a few countries.
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Comment #46 posted by Hope on March 02, 2006 at 13:18:59 PT

There is no one on the web,
I'm convinced, that gives the kind of time and attention you do to Cannabis News, to their websites. There's no place else like it.
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Comment #45 posted by global_warming on March 02, 2006 at 13:18:44 PT

air ?
imagine that
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Comment #44 posted by FoM on March 02, 2006 at 13:16:30 PT

Hope
Thank you. I sure do the best I can with what I have to work with.
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Comment #43 posted by Hope on March 02, 2006 at 13:15:52 PT

Well thank you, gw! One coming back at you!
And I just grabbed that cyber hug right out of the air. Thank you!
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Comment #42 posted by global_warming on March 02, 2006 at 13:12:25 PT

hug
is comingelectronicallyi can 'love'i love
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Comment #41 posted by Hope on March 02, 2006 at 13:10:00 PT

FoM
That is so kind of you to say. You are such a good friend. But I have to say...your method of "tip-toeing through the tulips"...is more like "plowing through the tulips" with a bulldozer. You do some good. If you hadn't bulldozed the way through, we wouldn't be here in this fine area you've cleared the way for.
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Comment #40 posted by lombar on March 02, 2006 at 13:07:47 PT

So much for using the system to change the system.
"I never understood the seed thing. Why don't people share their seeds if they want to risk growing. Why would people spend money on a seed?"It was making people lots of money. Not everyone has a friend with a friend.... Emery Seeds used the profits for funding cannabis law reform efforts, buying the seeds allowed growers to fund reform as well as try different kinds. I only ever thought the prices were way too crazy. This is an all out assault on the forces of cannabis law reform, so that they can STEAL a bunch of hard earned BY CAPITALISM currency to buy more cops, helicopters, and guns. Really, the last refuge of true free enterprise is contraband... All else is regulated and taxed. We ask for that in cannabis so they stop cracking skulls but they know that all the false make work and BS comes to a halt. Drug war, terror war!, war! war! war! NO! MORE! WAR! What value have fields of poppies if herion is pennies per dose on the street? What incentive to fill a house with hydroponic grow equipment if it costs $1.95/pound down at the apothecary? Why trade blood for oil when the purchase includes extinction? The economies depend upon bad laws, bad policies, and erroneous economic theories. Take away the black market trade in drugs and the house of cards tumbles down. It's primarily a witchhunt, a pogrom against those with alternative views, which keeps the focus of attention away from the true causes of social problems.
Consensus grows on climate change(BBC)
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Comment #39 posted by global_warming on March 02, 2006 at 13:03:05 PT

don't tell me
'you are becoming religous

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Comment #38 posted by FoM on March 02, 2006 at 13:02:21 PT

Hope
When you don't post I feel like half of me is gone too. You are so sweet and also very powerful while I just tip toe thru the tulips! LOL!
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Comment #37 posted by Hope on March 02, 2006 at 13:02:06 PT

A bright and shining light...to guide the way.
Not a wall, or a trap, or a barrier to bar the way.(turbo-posting again)Gotta make hay while the sun shines!
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Comment #36 posted by Hope on March 02, 2006 at 13:00:43 PT

Texas
Wouldn't that be something? I'd be so honored to be a citizen of this state!
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Comment #35 posted by Hope on March 02, 2006 at 12:59:38 PT

And....
to think that we actually have an agency within the government whose job is to keep us from changing our laws! It's humiliating to me as a citizen of this country. It does make me feel "captive" and I do feel foolish for ever believing that the government of this country was based on liberty of the individual and "justice for all".That was just "crap"...and I fell for it.
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Comment #34 posted by global_warming on March 02, 2006 at 12:59:38 PT

may Texas
follow Colorado..
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Comment #33 posted by Hope on March 02, 2006 at 12:56:21 PT

           gw
That's sweet of you to say. But I've been mortified by our "representatives" ever since that D.C. thing. My dream that we are a free country and that the people govern...was completely shattered by that stunt.
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Comment #32 posted by global_warming on March 02, 2006 at 12:52:41 PT

sister
you are not a captive 'fool
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Comment #31 posted by Hope on March 02, 2006 at 12:50:20 PT

Sam...Lol ! "Turbo-posting" ?
That must be what I do. Quiet for a bit...then turbo-posting. 
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Comment #30 posted by Hope on March 02, 2006 at 12:47:43 PT

You're so right, Sam.
"Democracy is a joke, if we ever had one it died a long time ago."I realized it was a lie when Barr and bunch overturned the medical marijuana vote in D.C..I feel like a fool for ever believing in the government of this nation. A captive fool, at that. 
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Comment #29 posted by global_warming on March 02, 2006 at 12:44:03 PT

it is stuck
just in my eye
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Comment #28 posted by global_warming on March 02, 2006 at 12:39:19 PT

re:feeling better'
do you love your mother?do you honor your father?have you the capacity for these things?There has much written about 'love, and 'passion, children, in this Nighti am a childwho is looking for that 'true titthat succors my 'world,
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Comment #27 posted by FoM on March 02, 2006 at 12:28:01 PT

A Correction
I said in comment 18 that Canada would now make seeds sale illegal but they already are illegal. What I mean is they will now enforce the law and not let it slide like they did. There I feel better.
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Comment #26 posted by FoM on March 02, 2006 at 12:20:10 PT

global_warming 
Sam's a good guy. I don't think he means that he won't post here. He meant seed issues I believe.
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Comment #25 posted by global_warming on March 02, 2006 at 12:17:14 PT

sam, please 'DONT STOP
you are one of the most sensitive posters here, i 'hope, that someday, i might see you, and give you a 'hug,and if i never have a chance to 'see you with my eyes,i will carry your imagethroughout my eternal 'journeyin this placein this time'we may be soldiers,in this crazy worldmy 'twinklewhen my 'eyes first 'witnessed,this cruel worldI Learned about Right and WrongI saw, in my heart and 'my soul,
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Comment #24 posted by FoM on March 02, 2006 at 12:08:57 PT

Dankhank
Thank you. I was beginning to think I was going crazy to not get this whole seed thing.This is my take:My seeds are better then your seeds are.No my seeds are better then your seeds.No No No No!It's insane! LOL!
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Comment #23 posted by Dankhank on March 02, 2006 at 12:05:49 PT

sharing ...
is the best routeshare seeds, even the Mex or homegrown grows up right nice if you take care of it ... or maybe if you throw them by all creeks n places ...
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Comment #22 posted by FoM on March 02, 2006 at 12:05:21 PT

Sam
None of those web sites mean anything to me. Like I said it's just easy money. 
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Comment #21 posted by Sam Adams on March 02, 2006 at 12:02:07 PT

wow, look at this
OK, I'll stop turbo-posting - this is great though, I typed "dutch cannabis seeds" into Google and found this place, they've been at it since 1987, doesn't look they're going anywhere soon-http://www.dutch-passion.nl/engels/welcome.html
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Comment #20 posted by FoM on March 02, 2006 at 11:57:20 PT

Dankhank 
Seeds from Amsterdam circulated many years ago so they all ready are everywhere in my opinion. To me seed sales seems just like easy money. Quality seems to be everywhere I was told. 
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Comment #19 posted by Sam Adams on March 02, 2006 at 11:56:22 PT

Question about Emery
The answer to the question "why are the Quebec seed guys not being extradited" is simple - they didn't go to a John Walters conference and heckle him.It's good to be the King, it's not good to embarass the king. And this cabal of Republican wackos who have taken over the US definitely think they're the king.Dick Cheney goes out drinking & shooting small animals with Scalia, then Scalia sits up on the Supreme Court bench & makes sneering, haughty comments ridiculing the litigants. Democracy is a joke, if we ever had one it died a long time ago. Back to the age of the exulted individual, lording over all the peons out there. What's next, a presidential piss-boy?

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Comment #18 posted by FoM on March 02, 2006 at 11:53:51 PT

My Thoughts
Now Canada will make seed sales illegal. 
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Comment #17 posted by global_warming on March 02, 2006 at 11:49:31 PT

how long
will it take for all those 'foolsstanding in line to get that 'fat ass mcdonalds burger,oh, i forgot there is a 'sale...at the bottom 'line,this bust' is testamenthow 'we those people,continue to 'marchlocked step'deeper into Hell'deeper into our obligationsaka contracts and agreementssecular bargainswith greedy childrenwho have 'bought into the secular agreementthat is.. sniffed out that most objectionable meatthat the lords of 'take that easy way outhave offered..
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Comment #16 posted by Sam Adams on March 02, 2006 at 11:48:08 PT

Sun article
Finally, someone in the media who is not brainwashed - Vancouver Sun article:this is the beginning, the whole thing is posted at:http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=23541&page=2&pp=15Wednesday, March 1, 2006Canadian sovereignty at issue in war on pot growersDomestic prosecution of Quebec seed producer raises questions about extradition case of B.C.'s prince of potIan Mulgrew
Vancouver SunThe RCMP have launched an offensive against Canadian marijuana growers and seed producers that has sent shock waves over the Internet and across B.C., which is home to at least 40 companies that sell seeds and cuttings via mail order.The Mounties announced Tuesday that members of the newly formed Marihuana Grow Operations Enforcement Team concluded their first major operation, shutting down a Montreal-based, cannabis seed-selling company.They revealed there were seven such teams across the country, established in 2004 to target pot growers and halt the burgeoning domestic production, the annual harvest of which is said to be larger than wheat.Locally the B.C. Marijuana Party and pot activists were outraged, but mostly they seemed scared -- Canada hasn't targeted seed sellers before and these offences can carry 10-year prison terms.What galls them though is that the Montreal group is charged with exactly the same crime for which Marc Emery and two of his employees are battling extradition to the U.S.Prince of pot Emery and his employees operated openly in Canada for a decade and were not charged by local cops but now face American charges that carry much stiffer sentences.Kirk Tousaw, lawyer for the party and a member of the legal team involved in the extradition fight, said he wanted to know why the Mounties were prepared to domestically prosecute a Quebec-based seed producer but stepped aside so the U.S. could indict Emery."Why on earth are Montreal-based seed sales any different from Vancouver-based seed sales?" he asked."Yet, in one case, the accused face extradition to the U.S. and, in the other, the prosecution will occur in Canada under Canadian laws."

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Comment #15 posted by Dankhank on March 02, 2006 at 11:40:24 PT

seeds for sale ...
In Amsterdam in '95 ...in packs of ten, hanging on the rotating rack in Stores.Doen't know if you got carded, 'magin ...
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Comment #14 posted by global_warming on March 02, 2006 at 11:29:06 PT

just another 'drop' of 'blood
at the bottom lineof that contractin this Hell
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Comment #13 posted by FoM on March 02, 2006 at 11:28:47 PT

dongenero
That company is run by a person that is breaking the law. I don't think even the Canadian government would be interested in the association with that person or persons (tax evasion). People need to share their seeds not sell them if they aren't afraid of growing. I never heard of seed sales until I got on the Internet. 
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Comment #12 posted by dongenero on March 02, 2006 at 11:21:56 PT

seeds for everyone
Since Canada has a government sponsored medical cannabis program, maybe they will distribute the Heaven's Stairway seeds to the public???Kind of short sighted though. They would have been better off to designate Heaven's Stairway as the official seed distributer for their nationwide medical cannabis program. Then they could develop a long term program. Do you suppose Canada doesn't take their national medical cannabis program seriously?
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Comment #11 posted by global_warming on March 02, 2006 at 11:21:42 PT

Bird Seed
Just parakeet food and all this craziness..
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Comment #10 posted by FoM on March 02, 2006 at 11:13:54 PT

lombar 
I never understood the seed thing. Why don't people share their seeds if they want to risk growing. Why would people spend money on a seed? 
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Comment #9 posted by lombar on March 02, 2006 at 11:04:19 PT

Political Persecution is reserved for leaders.
re: montrealI believe they heard the questions "How come you're busting Emery Seeds and leaving all the other ones alone?" so they can claim in the extradition hearings that Marc Emery, Michelle Rainey, and Greg Williams are not being persecuted for political acts. The Canadian government is refusing to press charges in Canada against these three. So, the montreal group, not as politically active, a for-profit business will face Canadian Justice while the USA wants Marc Emery because of political activism. He challenged them directly. Our government by playing it this way shows that we are a vassal state of the USA, the DEA can operate on our soil and force our police to enforce their war.I think it would be foolish to buy seeds off the internet personally but if that is your only source and its that or no medicine, what do you do? 
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Comment #8 posted by FoM on March 02, 2006 at 10:48:37 PT

Sam
I saw that the other day. I pity anyone who believes any of those web sites are safe. I can sense trouble a mile away and they always scared me. It's all illegal activity but those that don't want the laws to change will push people once again to risk their futures.
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Comment #7 posted by Sam Adams on March 02, 2006 at 10:43:57 PT

more overgrow
here's a video of the "bust" of the "gang" operation in Montreal:http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060228/rcmp_drugring_060228/20060228?hub=CanadaIf watching this doesn't send a chill down your spine, nothing will. The interesting thing to me is that this was not an underground operation; the business was openly posted on the internet for almost 10 years and the government did nothing about it.So, they allow the business to operate for a decade. Then, they raid the place and seize everything, including hundreds of thousands of dollars, that the government now takes.Laying aside all the propaganda and portly Quebecois in bulletproof vests, the facts and the actions show you that the government wanted Heaven's Stairway to operate for a time so that they could steal the profits. The government wanted the cannabis seeds to be sold. The government wanted to profit from that activity. If the government wanted to stop the use of cannabis, they could have sent, by registered mail, a cease-and-desist order to HS back in 1997. What possible explanation could there be for waiting 10 years, other than my hypothesis? Shame on the media for playing along & progagating pure lies.Neither the US or the Canadian government wants ANYONE to stop using cannabis. They want the industry to thrive. They just want their take. 
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Comment #6 posted by lombar on March 02, 2006 at 10:43:30 PT

The first drug I ever tried...
was COFFEE. Followed by tobacco, alcohol, LSD and cannabis all in the same year. When you are marginalized and not accepted by the 'normal' kids, you find the only group that will accept you is the other school pariahs, the smokers. Since this group invariably has home problems ranging from substance abuse, domestic violence, and mostly poverty, they are the most likely to seek escape from their problems. Problems which are magnified by their novelty and lack of experience with life. It's easy to turn to drugs. The only difference is that when I was 12 it was hard to get anything except pot. Now 12 yr olds get coke, meth, herion and dumbass drug warriors bleat success. Rather than help these marginalised groups, people like Morrisey capitalize on their misery by COMPOUNDING it. SHAME!The expletives I feel like flinging at the ignorance of that district attorney I will reserve for this side of cyberspace. No wonder there is so much crime. Hey... The first inhalant I ever tried was AIR. I am ADDICTED to it. It must be a gateway..
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Comment #5 posted by MaRkAyNe on March 02, 2006 at 09:49:15 PT

The Beginning of Wonderful Things
Thank you Colorado for this wonderful news. No one else has the balls to make the first move. Our country needs to wake up and make the change. 
Morrisey doesn't believe the bill will be passed and said today's marijuana is anything but harmless after talking to many drug addicts at treatment centers. "Every single one of them told us that they started by using marijuana," Morrisey said. "So anybody that tries to tell anybody that this is not a gateway drug that leads to other drugs, that we have huge problems within our society, they're kidding you."What a one sided statement. Ask all those drug addicts if the started with Marijuana or if they really started with Alcohol. Or if they started with being born.... everyone knows the gateway theory is prohibition propaganda. It will be a wonderful day when Colorado (and then maybe Oregon) and the entire country chooses to free themselves form these lies and begin to take an honest look at the issues. 
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Comment #4 posted by global_warming on March 02, 2006 at 09:41:04 PT

I Wish The 'Best To Denver
You have shown the rest of the 'world, that it can be done.I believe that the 'people of Denver shall prevail in November.
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Comment #3 posted by Christen-Mitchell on March 02, 2006 at 09:21:37 PT:

It Has Made a Difference
Of course the difference may be in individual cops that don't wear a badge that is stained with the blight of prohibition, but reports from the streets of Denver say when the Homebums are partying and interrupted by the man that their alcoholic beverages are poured to the ground and their joints are left burning.
I attended Mason and Evan's campaign meeting at 'The Cheba Hut' on The Hill in Boulder at 4:20 yesterday. 30 individuals, mostly students, were trained and equipped to begin the ardous task of collecting 100,000 signatures (extras are needed due to stringent voter registration requirements) to place the Initiative on the ballot.
Something of an organized backlash has begun with the TV media hacks. Tonight a series airs on addiction, with shots of a joint burning and a needle injecting, the title "Is There a Cure"? will continue the dogma of The Greatest 
Generation's Longest and Most Damageing War. The War on Freedom. The War on Some Drugs.
End Prohibition Again
Hemptopia: Towards Our Greener Future
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Comment #2 posted by Toker00 on March 02, 2006 at 09:20:26 PT

SAFER, HEALTHIER. What more could we ask for?
"It's certainly going to cause more problems," said Mitch Morrisey, Denver's district attorney. "The kinds of crimes that go along with it, not just the use, the sale of it and those types of things."Now I kind of think the crime part will be reduced significantly, since you won't be arresting small time users. The kinds of crimes that go along with prohibition, like the corruption of our politicians, police officers, the destruction of police/public relations, will still be there. No one is going to get any relief from this situation until CANNABIS is RE-LEGALIZED. For All Gods Children.Turn and face the Changes.Wage peace on war. END CANNABIS PROHIBITION NOW!
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Comment #1 posted by FoM on March 02, 2006 at 08:27:16 PT

Related Article from Snipped Source
Statewide Pot Initiative Kicks Off***By Felisa Cardona, Denver Post Staff Writer 
March 01, 2006 
 
   
 
Keith Guild was first in line to sign a petition on the steps of the state Capitol that would place a marijuana legalization initiative on the November ballot. The 30-year-old trial preparer used his lunch break today to put his name on the list of Coloradans who want a chance to vote on the issue. "I voted in the last election to make it legal in Denver and it didn't seem to do anything," Guild said. "It seems like a waste of time and effort as far as the city having to police marijuana." Members of SAFER, Safer Alternative For Enjoyable Recreation, kicked off the petition drive, vowing to collect at least 110,000 signatures to put an initiative on the ballot even though they only need 68,000 to sign. SAFER challenged Gov. Bill Owens, Attorney General John Suthers and Denver Mayor John Hickenlooper to sign the petition at the Capitol. The three did not show up. If the law passes, it would allow adults older than 21 to possess up to an ounce of marijuna. SAFER campaign director Mason Tvert said about 300 people have already asked if they can volunteer to collect signatures. "They believe that it can happen," Tvert said. "People believe this is the beginning of a tipping point in the way we do things in this country." 
Snipped:Complete Article: http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_3559083
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