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  Drug Bill Headed for Compromise 

Posted by CN Staff on February 10, 2006 at 07:41:28 PT
By The Associated Press  
Source: Associated Press 

Juneau, Alaska -- A legislative conference committee has been appointed to sort out the differences between the Alaska House and Senate on a drug bill that would tighten regulations on marijuana, methamphetamine production and steroids. The Senate on Thursday rejected a motion to rescind the changes it made to the bill last month, when it approved tacking Gov. Frank Murkowski's "must-pass" marijuana bill onto a measure meant to curb the manufacture of methamphetamines.
The marijuana bill would add harsher penalties for possession and lists a series of findings in an attempt to overturn a 31-year-old Alaska Supreme Court decision allowing small amounts of marijuana in the home. It was heard by just one House committee and held there.The House rejected the Senate's changes to the methamphetamine bill Feb. 1 and asked the Senate to remove its changes.The Senate rejected that motion 9-11 on Thursday.Senate President Ben Stevens, R-Anchorage, appointed a conference committee comprising Sens. Ralph Seekins, R-Fairbanks; Con Bunde, R-Anchorage; and Hollis French, D-Anchorage.They will attempt to come up with a compromise bill with House conferees Reps. John Coghill, R-North Pole; Bill Stoltze, R-Chugiak; and Harry Crawford, D-Anchorage.A meeting of the conference committee has not yet been scheduled.2004 Vote results from the state election will be turned over to Democrats, who dispute the tally. Note: Committee: Lawmakers from Senate and House will convene. Newshawk: MayanSource: Associated Press (Wire)Published:  February 10, 2006Copyright: 2006 The Associated Press Related Articles: House Rejects Marijuana-Meth Billhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21555.shtmlLegislation on Meth, Marijuana is Easy Call http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21540.shtmlMarijuana Bill Passes on Reconsideration Vote http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21521.shtml

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Comment #18 posted by FoM on February 11, 2006 at 13:16:16 PT
runderwo 
What you said is what I meant. Because of the difficulty of getting pharmaceutical grade amphetamines from their doctor people will probably find it easily to get on the black market in powder form. 
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Comment #17 posted by runderwo on February 11, 2006 at 13:08:34 PT
FoM
"We already have the drug it's just hard for people to get."Well, not really - probably what you mean is that it's hard for people to get without associating with drug dealers who have a financial interest in getting them addicted as quickly as possible, so they can make their profits and disappear when the heat gets turned up...
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Comment #16 posted by whig on February 10, 2006 at 19:14:19 PT
museman
"At least locally the meth-users, and the cops are all in it together."http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=1603593&page=1
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Comment #15 posted by FoM on February 10, 2006 at 16:43:03 PT
runderwo
I agree about the guilt by association. I believe Cannabis shouldn't be illegal. Meth can produce really bad behavior and risky to the user and those around them. It's easy for people to skitz out on Meth if that is an understood term. I was a speed freak and one thing I learned is speed freaks aren't trustworty, or dependable. Loosen the controls on amphetamines and that should fill the void for a person who likes speed. We already have the drug it's just hard for people to get. 
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Comment #14 posted by runderwo on February 10, 2006 at 16:31:58 PT
well
Meth is way more dangerous than cannabis, no doubt about that. But in a reasonable dose, regulated purity, and non-rush means of administration, it is useful as another poster said for truck drivers and the like. I don't believe that fostering legal, responsible use of amphetamines is a bad idea. *Using* amphetamines is generally a bad idea, but you could say that about plenty of other things that are legal. People that die using speed have either seriously overdosed, gotten addicted to the rush (unavailable in pill form) and wasted away, had complications or disease related to injecting, or been poisoned by black market impurities. The drugwar approach to meth is a bad policy that increases harm, and that they are trying to lump cannabis in with it is an absolute outrage.
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Comment #13 posted by FoM on February 10, 2006 at 15:22:00 PT
420toker
Meth is really a bad drug. To me it is worse then alcohol. I say that because many people can drink a beer or two everyday and go thru their life with no serious problems. If a person did a line or two of Meth everyday they wouldn't be ok after some time goes by. There's an old expression that goes. There's no such think as an old speed freak. They either quit or die. That's how seriously people looked at the Meth issue when it was an issue back in the 70s. 
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Comment #12 posted by 420toker on February 10, 2006 at 15:11:33 PT
not upset
I wasnt upset, I just feel that this current meth epedimic is more media scare than anything, they did it with the "crack epedimic" too. Where are all those thousands of retarded crack babies. I came from a city that is basically meth central. We have farms feed stores, and look the other way pharmacies. Some people do it and get away with it, some dont. If it wasnt meth it would be coke or crack or something else, I can make drugs from breakfast cerial it just takes a willingness to gett it done.First we took away the precursor to a smelly meth process (p2p)
they made a cleaner process that doesnt stink and uses common asthma medication called ephedrineWe took away ephedrineThey made an even smaller and cleaner process that involves less gear and uses an even more common precursor (pseudoephedrine)now it can be done at home or even in the trunk of a car, and its nearly undetectableWhats next? I get pissed every time I have to fill out forms and have my drivers license photocopied to pick up 2 boxes of claritan that only equals 20 pills and wont even get me through a month, but thats all I can legally buy a month.Hopefully some new "drug epedimic" will spring up and they will let me have my freaking decongestant.It seems to me the meth does cause trouble but its not the meth itself, its the meth culture. The people who do meth and trade in meth and make meth clandestinly are not great people. They are believe it or not buisiness people in the most unregulated sense. They have a product and they encourace consuming of said product to extreem lengths. If it was made available regulated and kept in a freely available medical setting you will take the culture out of it. Case and point is there an Alcoholic culture?
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Comment #11 posted by FoM on February 10, 2006 at 13:47:22 PT
museman
I think I should mention this because your post scared me. I'd sure appreciate details of local problems you might be having in your area not be shared here on the forum. I hope you understand. 
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Comment #10 posted by museman on February 10, 2006 at 12:58:25 PT
the real problem with speed,
Besides the fact that it's unhealthy, and promotes predacious communites of thieves and vandals, it is also the 'drug' of choice for loggers, truck drivers, mill-workers, and COPS. (second choice is alcohol)Meth-amphetamines as we are seeing them today are a direct link to the Nazi chemists of the former Hitler elite known as the SS. The kind of behavior that is historicly associated with Nazis, has moved into our society on several levels.Living as I do in a meth-infested area, and an environmentally charged political conflict zone, I see the hipocrisy of our local law enforcement, and their political/economic Lords and masters quite clearly.They are associating marijuana with meth for a number of reasons, none of which have to do with the 'safety and welfare of the general public.'They make the public feel that they are actually doing something about the meth problem (which is actually deeply rooted in the contemporary right-wing work ethic culture) when actually it is just a smoke screen. They aren't going to bust any but the sorriest loser meth-users they can find (which should be rather easy) but you can bet they would bust any and all marijuana related usage.They give the kids another confusing, mixed message, like reverse psychology; If they say that meth and marijuana are similar in their harmfulness, then those who have smoked are not going to believe that meth is much much worse; they are setting the stage for an epidemic among the youth of America- but of course a bunch of little Nazis running around is OK, because then they can recruit their new army of legal thugs to police whats left of freedom in America.I have been watching this lying game happen locally, heard all kinds of hot air about dealing with the meth problem, but see the evidence wiht my own two eyes. At least locally the meth-users, and the cops are all in it together. One of the main DEA agents is a cover for the biggest heroin dealer on the west coast-don't you wish I could prove it!At this point how can anyone believe anything these monsters say? Look at the wake of despair, destruction, pain , and suffering they leave in their wake. It's time people stop compromising with evil for the sake of their comfort zones. It's time to hold our government accountable, and the only way that is going to happen, is by exercising our right to govern ourselves, throwing all those rich bastards out of office, replacing them with real people who are not part of the exclusive club. We have the tools to do it, called the Constitution.
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Comment #9 posted by FoM on February 10, 2006 at 11:44:07 PT

420toker
I had to really think about this but I came to a conclusion that those who speed killed weren't for using prescription amphetamines only Meth. 
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Comment #8 posted by FoM on February 10, 2006 at 11:16:42 PT

420toker
I don't mean to upset you but I just have seen speed kill that's why I said it. I'm sure it has helped some people but my experiences with it have been more bad then good.
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Comment #7 posted by 420toker on February 10, 2006 at 11:13:33 PT

Speed kills but....
I must say I have been off these ADHD drugs for several years now and I am very glad to be off them.That being said, I believe that I like thousands or even millions of kids have benifited from these drugs greatly. I would not have been as succesful as I am today or possibly might not have ever completed High School much less College. Yes used improperly they are a poison, and they are probably being overprescribed. But you should not make blanket poisoning our children comments, I am very happy my parents did what they did especially during the time they did. It was very hard for them as parents since children with psychologists didn't reflect well on parenting skills in the early 80's.I have plenty of complaints about my folks and how I was raised but this is not one of them.
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Comment #6 posted by 420toker on February 10, 2006 at 11:01:54 PT

ADHD drugs
I know much about ADHD drugs,
you have these basic drugs that I call classics. Virtually all ADHD drugs based on the adrenalin effect come from these 4 classics1-benzadrine- benzoamphetamine  the earliest amphetamine and also marginally weaker than the others2-dexadrine- dextroamphetamine The one I was on for 14 years, its the most common real amphetamine perscribed for ADHD3-methadrine- methamphetamine the least common amphetamine used on ADHD kids, they used to have a pure meth pill called desoxyn but I believe its off the market now4-Ritalin-Methylphenidate this not and amphetamine but is an amphetamine act-alike and it THE most commonly perscribed ADHD drugEverything else is a combination/mix repreperation or analog of these drugsThis does not include ssri's and other depression drugs that are also sometimes used to treat ADD and ADHD

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Comment #5 posted by FoM on February 10, 2006 at 09:24:27 PT

Sam Adams 
I guess it doesn't surprise me. I believe that speed kills.
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Comment #4 posted by Sam Adams on February 10, 2006 at 09:15:01 PT

ooops...
Cloud7 already posted this on a previous thread.Oh well, at least I'm not the only one appalled by this stuff!
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Comment #3 posted by Sam Adams on February 10, 2006 at 09:14:08 PT

Meanwhile.....
So if YOU use cannabis in the privacy of your home, the state can throw you in jail and take away your own children.BUT, the government-regulated doctor can put your kids on amphetamines every day for the rest of their childhood and it's OK! Or are these drugs closer to cocaine? I can't keep it straight. Of course, cannabis CANNOT kill you or your kids, that's probably the only thing we know for sure.http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/02/10/special_warning_on_adhd_drugs_urged/Special warning on ADHD drugs urged
Label would say they may increase death, injury risksExcerpts from the full article:WASHINGTON -- Ritalin and other stimulant drugs for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder should carry the strongest warning that they may be linked to an increased risk of death and injury, federal health advisers said yesterday.Drugs that would have to carry the warning labels are methylphenidates, which are sold as Ritalin, Concerta, Methylin, and Metadate. The labels for Adderall and Adderall XR, both amphetamines, have included the warnings since 2004.
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Comment #2 posted by ekim on February 10, 2006 at 09:05:50 PT

ot ---but getting closer
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http://www.calcars.org/Our projects promote plug-in hybrids (PHEVs). PHEVs are basically like hybrids but have larger batteries and the ability to re-charge conveniently (mostly at night). They're the best of both worlds: local travel is electric (cleaner, cheaper, domestic), yet the vehicle has unlimited range.We've built prototypes (starting with PRIUS+
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Comment #1 posted by global_warming on February 10, 2006 at 08:04:00 PT

sure hope
they can weed out the weed component in this bill, as ever, death to meth and freedom to that sacred and whole plant that has been with mankind since the beggining.
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