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Legislation on Meth, Marijuana is Easy Call 
Posted by CN Staff on January 31, 2006 at 08:03:05 PT
Editorial
Source: Juneau Empire
Alaska -- If ever there was a piece of legislation that everyone could get behind, House Bill 149 is it - well, almost.The Senate has passed the bill that gives law enforcement agencies more tools to use in their fight to curb the state's methamphetamine problem. For instance the bill allows the restriction of sales of key meth ingredients - like the cold medicine Sudafed. It also gives the state Public Safety commissioner the ability to name additional products to the restricted list if it's discovered they are being use to make meth.
Who could argue with that? Other than some amendment wrangling over implementation issues, no one in the Senate voiced their opposition to the main crux of the bill - combating meth.The scourge of methamphetamine use is hitting Alaska just as it has the West Coast, where the trend skyrocketed. Relatively cheap and easy to make, meth gives a 10-hour high and is highly addictive. Not only are the physical consequences to the user severe, meth endangers everyone in the vicinity of where it's made. Meth labs involve toxic chemicals that are highly flammable and the "cooking" process runs a risk of powerful explosions and chemical-fueled fires.In Kenai, police bust six to eight meth labs a year. Troopers on the peninsula bust about that many, as well.HB 149 was shaping up to be a bill that would do unequivocal good for the state that the House and Senate, Democrats and Republicans could get behind.That is until the governor added an ingredient that is a sure recipe for contention in this state - marijuana. With court rulings, voter referendums and debate over medicinal use having stretched on for decades, pot is a topic that never fails to stir up debate.In this case, the Murkowski administration is using the meth bill as a vehicle to challenge the state Supreme Court's rulings allowing small amounts of pot in homes as a right to privacy issue.The Senate Finance Committee added Murkowski-backed provisions to HB 149 that would make it a misdemeanor to have less than 4 ounces of pot at home and a felony to have more than 4 ounces. As the law stands now, it's legal to have up to 4 ounces at home and a misdemeanor to have up to a half-pound of marijuana.The bill passed the Senate and now goes to the House. If it passes with the amendments attached, the Supreme Court is sure to address the matter quickly, as it contradicts current law.Murkowski is taking a gamble with this legislation, but it's a good gamble to make. Even if he loses and the Supreme Court strikes down the legislation, as it did a voter referendum recriminalizing pot in 2003, the issue will have been addressed again. When a topic engenders as much debate as marijuana does in Alaska, it's good to revisit it to make sure the law is as reflective of the public will and good as possible.If the bill makes it past the Legislature, it has a better chance of holding up in the Supreme Court than previous pot-banning attempts have.The bill contains findings that argue marijuana is more potent and a larger threat to public safety now than when the Supreme Court made its first ruling allowing it in homes in 1975.Opponents say such findings are bad science. But really it's bad judgment to assume pot isn't more potent. Basic laws of consumerism dictate that a better product sells better and can be sold for more money. In the case of drugs, "better" from the sellers' standpoint means more potent and more addictive. If marijuana growers and sellers create stronger pot, they can sell it for more and have more repeat customers.This doesn't just happen with marijuana. It's a common evolution of other drugs. Take beer, for instance. Varieties of ice beer available today have a higher alcohol content than beer did years ago. The same holds true for creating crack from cocaine and crystal from meth.This legislation also would make state law more consistent and stop the mixed message that it now delivers - that pot is illegal and harmful, except when used at home.Either it's harmful enough to ban outright, or it's not. The state's tact on meth has been clear - no use is OK, not even in the privacy of a home. The governor is attempting to have the same precedent set for pot.Time, legislative finagling and ultimately the state Supreme Court will dictate whether his goal is achieved or goes up in smoke. Note: This editorial first appeared in the (Kenai) Peninsula Clarion.Source: Juneau Empire (AK)Published: January 31, 2006 Copyright: 2006 Southeastern Newspaper CorpWebsite: http://www.juneauempire.com/Contact: letterstotheeditor juneauempire.comRelated Articles:Marijuana Bill Passes on Reconsideration Vote http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21521.shtmlBill Mixing Marijuana, Methamphetamine Advanceshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21500.shtmlSenate Passes Marijuana, Methamphetamine Billhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21497.shtml
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Comment #94 posted by global_warming on February 03, 2006 at 15:13:58 PT
hope 82
I wish i could share my life with a few horses, hopefully not the ones that bite, yet, i would feel so wrong climbing onto their backs, especially the part about the 'bits in their mouthes and taking control of such a noble beast.
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Comment #93 posted by FoM on February 03, 2006 at 11:19:48 PT
Hope
You're welcome. I can't help but be concerned but you are a farm girl and I figured you were informed. I don't know when I had one last but if I got a cut with rust possibly present I would get a booster.
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Comment #92 posted by Hope on February 03, 2006 at 11:03:51 PT
Lockjaw
My first husband's didn't progress that far...he was deathly ill though.I think it's a booster every ten years. I have asked for them during my adult life because of my activities and proclivities...but they say they last ten years. Tetanus shot or not...those wounds have to be watched. Yes, it is a horrible death. I really appreciate your concern...and I'll be careful. I promise.
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Comment #91 posted by FoM on February 03, 2006 at 10:50:02 PT
Hope
I don't know how oftn a booster is needed but maybe you should call and ask your doctor. One of my riding friends years ago lost a horse to Lockjaw. It wasn't a nice death. 
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Comment #90 posted by Hope on February 03, 2006 at 10:41:36 PT
Tetanus
I hope so. It's been within the last ten years...maybe that I had one. My sister hasn't had one in ages and I was horrified a few weeks ago when she dropped a big section of an old goat house we were tearing down with horribly rusty old nails. The section had three inch nails in it and when she dropped it, the nails tore through her shoe and tore her big toe up pretty badly. We were worried. We washed it thouroughly and covered in antibiotic cream and didn't turn to tetanus.Tetanus gets you pretty fast after an injury. My first husband got it from a shiny nail on a pig pen that we dismantled. He did it about seven in the morning and by noon he was losing conciousness and had a big hot streak going up his arm from the tiny scratch like wound in his hand. It got him fast and hard. I took him to the doctor about noon and he came out of the office and passed out. I went back in and the doctor thought the nurse had given him a shot and she thought he had. They got him innoculated and it took three or four days for him to recover.I ought to have had enough tetanus shots as a child to keep me innoculated for a lifetime. I was a little explorer, barefoot some of the time. I'm scared of tetanus. It's fast and deadly...but I'm always on the lookout for it. They don't like to give tetanus shots too much anymore for prevention...it's like if something happens we'll get it for you. Otherwise there seems to be a bit of a shortage...or at least there was a few years ago. Tetanus has killed a lot of people over the years.
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Comment #89 posted by FoM on February 03, 2006 at 10:12:56 PT
Hope
Are you up to date with your Tetanus shot? Barb wire carries Tetanus very often. I'm sure you know that.
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Comment #88 posted by Hope on February 03, 2006 at 10:09:25 PT
Fences
It's rainy and wet here. Rain is good and we need it badly. But I have to get my galoshes on and tromp out in it to get a fallen tree off a fence. Tuesday got "barbed" by a barb wire fence I was trying to fix. Barb stuck me hard and deep, right in the chin. Didn't get as much damage as it felt like I did. I was hoping for a non-working walk along the creek today...in the sunshine.Getting barbed in the chin...another side effect from these bi-focals. It's really amazing how a pair of glasses can mess a person up so bad. They're tricky. Nothing seems to be where it's supposed to be...or appears to be...even the ground.
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Comment #87 posted by Hope on February 03, 2006 at 10:00:09 PT
FoM and Jose
Jose, that's beautiful...and true. "The stillness of shared flying surmounts barriers." Jose, I'd like to see your photographs. Are they online?FoM, thanks for explaining "catch" riding. I suspected something like that, but couldn't be sure.
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Comment #86 posted by FoM on February 03, 2006 at 09:44:55 PT
Jose
It is hard to get that perfect picture over a fence. I never really got one exactly where I wanted it but at least I have some pictures.
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Comment #85 posted by jose melendez on February 03, 2006 at 04:41:10 PT
Hunters and Jumpers Over Fences: a haiku
Hope, All: Thanks so much . . .The stillness of shared flyingsurmounts barriers.-jm - - -I once photographed hunters and jumpers over fences for a horse show photographer, and turned those skills into a wonderful whirlwind life of skydiving video and aerial photography. To this day, those learned field and darkroom techniques of dealing with composition, focus, time, temperature, agitation and concentration seem to blend into every day life.If a picture is worth a thousand words, please know that I have many millions of images to share with everyone. 
Re: Drug War Lawsuits. Are YOU ready?
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Comment #84 posted by FoM on February 02, 2006 at 20:25:38 PT
Hope
After I posted that I realized that is a horse show term. When I went to shows my instructor would talk to people at the show and they would need a rider because something happened to their rider. I would be tossed up on a strange horse and jump a course and that is how I got experience and then in turn I had the opportunity to ride and school some incredible horses. I didn't get any money but I did get horse related gifts as thanks since I was maintaining my amateur status.
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Comment #83 posted by Hope on February 02, 2006 at 20:14:05 PT
"catch riding"
I'm sorry. I don't know what that means. I'm sure it's not like being the pick up man at the rodeo. lol."Catch" makes me think of a little buggy...but I know that can't be what you are talking about. You don't have to be a snob to enjoy old traditions and fancy and fun doin's. I love fancy doin's. Fine horses and fine riders are a great reason to have a party.
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Comment #82 posted by Hope on February 01, 2006 at 18:38:24 PT
 gw   
If you were little enough, your dogs might love you to gallop around with them and get so much loving, care, and attention. It's an agreement. It's a partnership. It's an amazing thing to be in such cahoots and agreement with such a lovely and powerful beast. A horse can love to be with you and enjoy and love learning things and cooperating with such a likable and amazing and powerful animal as he or she perceives you to be. And they like to show off, too. Their personalities differ within their species as much as personalities differ within the human species. Some of them love attention so much that, like some dogs, if you aren't touching them or petting them, they will insinuate themselves under your hand. Much nuzzling and pushing and lipping your hand until you "pet" them or caress them in some way. They know they can crush you beneath their hooves, rip your ears off, crush your head, or seize your throat. They know they can kill you and they know who is the strongest. It is an agreement between human and beast. It is a partnership. It is amazing...an amazing feat of communication between human and beast....in the case, "people" like creatures...creatures you can understand and they can understand you.You want to touch them. You want to feel them breath. They are so wonderful.Not always...some of them are in fact "brutes" and have not much good about them. A horse can easily refuse to cooperate and you will reap the methods you use to get your "agreement". It's foolish to hurt them and and when people do hurt them, they can lose their trust or earn their dislike or disdain. Like people...some are mean...skittish...bad to the bone...sweet, tender and loving. Gentle....just wonderful. They love you. Some of them. Some of them hate you. Some people actually like mean or rank horses...just like some people seem to like mean or rank dogs.
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Comment #81 posted by FoM on February 01, 2006 at 18:20:18 PT
Hope
I'm glad you liked it. These are the top junior riders in the country. They will go on to the Olympics. I could never have done it if I hadn't been spotted and given opportunities. I did a good deal of catch riding and that's how I was able to go as far as I did. I never was a very good snob though! LOL!
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Comment #80 posted by Hope on February 01, 2006 at 18:10:34 PT
FoM...Horse Power
That was so good. I enjoyed it so much. Thank you for telling me about it.
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Comment #79 posted by global_warming on February 01, 2006 at 17:11:51 PT
that is a little 'g
i have no stomach, to watch that 'show, nor that dog show, these are reminders, how 'we those people, 'treet. this flesh in 'our world.There is a 'better way,that infinite sparkelis only a blink of an 'eye,
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Comment #78 posted by Hope on February 01, 2006 at 17:02:15 PT
  GW
Watch the show. You might learn something.
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Comment #77 posted by global_warming on February 01, 2006 at 16:54:43 PT
i dont 'ride my dogs
there is a higher 'ride,not on the 'backs of people,
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Comment #76 posted by Hope on February 01, 2006 at 16:46:10 PT
Horse can love their owner as much as a dog does.
They're just bigger and it hurts worse when they step on your foot.
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Comment #75 posted by Hope on February 01, 2006 at 16:42:39 PT
   GW
I've ridden the side of a horse before and one's neck. That was a nasty little shetland pony that had all manner of tricks to rid himself of young riders. Sometimes I did that fancy riding, playing and trickriding...sometimes accidentally. Some horses do love their riders and being ridden. I had one that went crazy if he was left in the barn while I road another horse and he would try to put his head in the bridle when he saw I had it. Of course he loved to buck, too. But he just loved the human companionship and attention.
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Comment #74 posted by global_warming on February 01, 2006 at 16:40:34 PT
re:72
you sound like a gentle person,can 'you report 'all gentle 'acts,in your place, where you are 'living.
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Comment #73 posted by FoM on February 01, 2006 at 16:38:39 PT
Hope
I wish I knew if they were doing ok. I miss them too. 
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Comment #72 posted by Hope on February 01, 2006 at 16:31:57 PT
E_Johnson
I'd like to hear from her, too. It's been too long since she's commented. I'd like to hear from MamaWillie, too. I won't even ask about Jose...I know he's alive...but I miss his posts.
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Comment #71 posted by Hope on February 01, 2006 at 16:28:41 PT
Bears
These bears on animal planet remind me of a funny thing that happened to me the other day. I was in the feed room and heard the dogs barking. I dropped what I was doing and went to see what they were in such an uproar about. I could see people walking animals on leashes. I stared trying to discern what in the world kind of dog I was seeing. It's profile, which was all I could see clearly at first, ooked liked a fairly large dark brown or black bear on a leash. Further scrutiny revealed the other leashed animal to be a big pink pig....the dark brown animal was also a large pig on a leash. It's amazing how bear like it looked from a bit of a distance. Like a bear on all fours.Neighbor's children's Ag. projects. Show pigs trained to a leash. That was a new site on a country road for me. It's hilareous to see...especially the big pink one. I smile everytime I see them taking their walk.
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Comment #70 posted by global_warming on February 01, 2006 at 16:24:22 PT
where is ej?
this 'might be the time,'may 'we get in on the table,
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Comment #69 posted by Hope on February 01, 2006 at 16:19:54 PT
Animal Planet
Tuned in.
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Comment #68 posted by global_warming on February 01, 2006 at 16:17:43 PT
you ride on the 'back of a horse?
do you?
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Comment #67 posted by FoM on February 01, 2006 at 16:10:04 PT
global_warming 
If you were asking me I never had any cows only horses. My neighbors cows come visiting here often in the summer when our grass is rich.
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Comment #66 posted by FoM on February 01, 2006 at 16:04:43 PT
Hope: Friendly Reminder
It will be on in an hour here. I really am looking forward to seeing it. The Maclay was very hard to do. They have many tests the judge can ask you to do after you do the course and you make the top 6 or so. Switching horses and doing the course on a strange horse or dropping your stirrups and doing the course without them. I just read that 2001 was the last time it was at MSG. It was hard to get horses in and out of the city. It's a miracle it went on for as many years in the city like it did.
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Comment #65 posted by global_warming on February 01, 2006 at 15:55:45 PT
i can watch the tv
though i never witnessed,this 'god loving 'human being,i know that if you can 'read,you have been blessed,with knowledge and understanding,your eye is an entrance,a portal, that 'will 'never be silences,push the 'green 'button,have your stocks fallen?is your 'grass not 'green,maybe that sparkle that the 'night offers,is missing that brighter 'hand
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Comment #64 posted by FoM on February 01, 2006 at 15:49:46 PT
Hope
There is something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man. ~Winston Churchillhttp://www.quotegarden.com/horses.html
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Comment #63 posted by Hope on February 01, 2006 at 15:46:09 PT
Horses
and prose and poetry go well together. 
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Comment #62 posted by global_warming on February 01, 2006 at 15:34:00 PT
best i
mosey along,
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Comment #61 posted by global_warming on February 01, 2006 at 15:25:16 PT
please!
call me 'gw that is with a little 'g
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Comment #60 posted by global_warming on February 01, 2006 at 15:22:21 PT
i thought you were into horses?
and cattle, 
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Comment #59 posted by Hope on February 01, 2006 at 15:18:36 PT
Global Warming
"when we sift through the sands of time,do you recall some little speck that sparkeled,it was some very small speck of gold,that caught the light and reflected that light into your eye,..."That's beautiful.
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Comment #58 posted by Hope on February 01, 2006 at 15:15:07 PT
FoM
That HorsePower stuff at the Animal Planet site is great.
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Comment #57 posted by global_warming on February 01, 2006 at 15:02:05 PT
old bones and dust
when we sift through the sands of time,do you recall some little speck that sparkeled,it was some very small speck of gold,that caught the light and reflected that light into your eye,the scriptures are like sand, which can reflect to us the living, a message, an idea, that can straddle the centuries, these are the testaments and thoughts, of people like you and me, who have managed to keep a living journal, that 'all may read from, and 'all may take the burden of their grief, torments and inspirations.Breathe deeply, and look at your cup, if it is full of anger, be assured, that it is not God who has placed this anger in your heart.
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Comment #56 posted by Hope on February 01, 2006 at 15:01:29 PT
Museman
That's a somehow beautiful commentary. Thank you.
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Comment #55 posted by whig on February 01, 2006 at 13:58:10 PT
museman
Gospel of Mary Magdelenehttp://www.gnosis.org/library/marygosp.htm
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Comment #54 posted by museman on February 01, 2006 at 13:52:55 PT:
Bgreen RE: The Bible
There most suredly have been great...not small, but great omissions from the bible. There is an entire library of texts represented in the scrolls of the Nag Hamadi, gnostic texts, which the compilers of the Bible rejected because of their direct conflict to established church doctrine. This all happened around 1100 AD. One of the greatest omissions that comes to mind is "The Gospel Of Thomas" which definitely makes one question the motives of the church. They rejected all the gnostic texts, because this (the gnostics) was the REAL church, the REAL congregation, the REAL practitioners of Y'shuas Way. They were persecuted to extinction, first by the Roman Empire, and then by the Holy Roman Empire.The only gnostic text included in the bible was the 'Apocrypha of John' which was renamed the 'Revelations of John.' I guess they were too scared of Johns warning to not include it, or they thought to use that warning as a fear trip on future generations.The bible is incomplete at best, and those who claim it as 'Gods Word' are just spiritually lazy in my book. The information in the book is (mostly) I believe 'inspired' by Sacred Spirit, but IT IS NOT THE "LIVING WORD". Sorry. Anyone who seeks a true connection with God knows, or will come to know that the bible is a great reference for confirmation of experiential knolwedge and conclusions, but it is not the only one.Y'shua himself warned us about thinking we are wise, and that the clear, wide-opened innocence of a child is the only way to enter into the presence of heaven, and God. No book printed on paper will ever teach that. We are born with it, and it is our choices in life which determine the level of our childlike innocence, not how regular we go to church or read the book that is sanctioned by the World Elite as the best propaganda for their continued unchallenged domination.There are many scriptures above and beyond the bible, the most commonly rejected is the Oracle available to individuals who embrace God without the inbred fears of the church; The Living Word. Y'shua was the Living Word while he walked on the earth. He became (so we believe) the eternal embodiment of that aspect, yet did he not say to us that it was us who were to carry on the Word? Did he not say (in reference to the last days which I believe are upon us) that there would be many who would 'do greater things than these.'?The church and it's ways are old bones and dust, nothing lives in it, and those who put their faith on that which does not live, are going to suffer great disappointment and go down in fear.
http://wholeearthfamily.org
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Comment #53 posted by FoM on February 01, 2006 at 13:28:44 PT
Hope
I'm not sure where they are filming this. The Maclay is a national event. Each state has Class A Shows that offer the Maclay competition. A junior rider must win three blues to qualify in one season for MSG where the winner finally is chosen. I was one blue from the Garden. 
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Comment #52 posted by Hope on February 01, 2006 at 13:14:52 PT
Is this place
where this will take place, a place that you actually rode? I realize you are saying the event was yours...but has it always been in the place it will be shown from tonight? Just curious.Jumping is wonderful. It's near flying and that oneness with a flying horse is wonderful to experience...if all goes well.It feels like defying gravity. I preferred to get my anti-gravity effects from dance...especially some ballet. I was never trained for jumping and the times one my western pleasure horses decided to jump something, a creek, a ditch, a log, or whatever before I had noticed that they had made such a decision, which they aren't supposed to on their own...well I had bad headaches for a long time from one incident, which could have been worse because when she landed...my unprepared and inappropriately shod foot shot through the stirrup past my ankle. I feared being dragged if my horse spooked...but thankfully, she didn't. I did see pretty stars that weren't really there, once I had clawed my way up her neck enough to get my leg out of the stirrup (I lost my seat). I was asked why in the world I let go and fell after I had managed to scramble to a position to get my foot out. I don't know...it was just that terrible fear of being dragged...and once I had that foot out...I just let go...and hit the dirt...hard dirt with the back of my head.It takes a lot of strength to overcome being suspended by one leg. Maybe I used all I had...yes I did...to get my foot out of that stirrup before things got decidedly worse than they already were.
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Comment #51 posted by FoM on February 01, 2006 at 12:44:14 PT
Hope
I'll remind you later. It's 8 ET on my channel. From the first time I saw horses going over fences I knew that was what I wanted to do. The ASPCA Maclay is the point where my eyes were focussed. In 4-H if your project for the year went lame you were out since it was team work but with the Maclay only the rider is judge and you can use any horse. It's an equitation event. I needed 3 blues to qualify and got 2 and a number of second and third places and the horse my instructor found for me was a Maclay horse. He had taken another young girl all the way to Madison Square Garden and was as pushbutto as they came. I was hearbroken but I am happy that I made it to that point because it took years of riding and training and was worth it.
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Comment #50 posted by Hope on February 01, 2006 at 12:31:02 PT
Yes...I want to see that program.
I should have control of the tv viewing for tonight. Just remind me a few hours ahead of time...again. I'm so bad at forgetting to watch tv.
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Comment #49 posted by FoM on February 01, 2006 at 09:31:18 PT
Off Topic: Hope
Tonight on Animal Planet they are starting a 6 part series on The Maclay. This is what I did. I almost made it. My horse went lame and I couldn't find a substitute horse with the skill to do the Maclay so that ended my career as far as the Maclay. These young people are the future USET. I hope you can check it out. This truly was my teenage years.http://animal.discovery.com/convergence/horsesense/horse_power/horse_power.html 
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Comment #48 posted by FoM on January 31, 2006 at 22:00:39 PT
Hope
I'll have a couple nightmares tonight and wake up rearing to go! Seriously these are hard times. I look at the world situation and shake my head and think what next. There were fires in plants and shootings and generally many bad things today. One real highlight is I thought I would see Cindy Sheehan during the State of The Union address but they arrested her. Iran is going to be a democracy Bush implied and I know they sure aren't into democracy over there. It's like all these tiny fires that are being set are soon going to merge into an inferno. Hard times for the world. Hard times for the Kubbys. Just hard times. We'll get thru though. Thanks
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Comment #47 posted by Hope on January 31, 2006 at 21:49:29 PT
Bless your heart....
I hope you recover by morning.
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Comment #46 posted by FoM on January 31, 2006 at 21:44:11 PT
Hope 
Yes it is my 19th too! LOL!
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Comment #45 posted by Hope on January 31, 2006 at 21:41:38 PT
Comment 43 Nervous Breakdown?
Your 19th? :0)More than once I've mumbled something to myself about or when someone asked me what was bothering me..."I'm just having my 19th nervous breakdown."
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Comment #44 posted by Toker00 on January 31, 2006 at 21:03:39 PT
Whig #32
Amazing links. BGreen, why is it so obvious to me? You too? Wow.I found my answer, FoM. Thank you for your patience. Wage peace on war. END CANNABIS PROHIBITION NOW!
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Comment #43 posted by FoM on January 31, 2006 at 20:40:34 PT
Toker00 
That's OK. I am having a nervous breakdown but I'll be OK in the morning! LOL!
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Comment #42 posted by Toker00 on January 31, 2006 at 20:31:01 PT
FoM, BGreen, Whig.
My post was in the form of a question, and I thank you BGreen and Whig for your answers, except I wonder if this documentory will ever be on PBS? Sorry FoM for the controversy, but I was curious why more people wouldn't be interested. Didn't mean to offend you.Wage peace on war. END CANNABIS PROHIBITION NOW!
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Comment #41 posted by FoM on January 31, 2006 at 20:00:47 PT
Whig 
This is how I do it. I do a lot of praying. I'm kidding but I'm not. Seriously I see the good qualities in the people here that post regularly. I can sense the person's passions and values. I don't have to agree with everyone but I feel I must respect everyone because I hope that you will do the same for me. Say I went into a crazy swearing rage. Would you say well she finally lost it or would you think my she must be stressed? 
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Comment #40 posted by FoM on January 31, 2006 at 19:55:55 PT
BGreen
You are sounding like a preacher. I gave up church. You are sweet.
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Comment #39 posted by whig on January 31, 2006 at 19:55:36 PT
BGreen & FoM
It seems to me that one of the things that makes this forum great is that FoM keeps a lid on conversations that take us too far away from unity of purpose, without using too firm a hand that would prevent us from being a real community. She is our strength and our center, it is something I could not do if I had my own forum. I think it may be something that men cannot do as well as women in general, but FoM in particular does it very well and makes us feel safe and at home here.
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Comment #38 posted by BGreen on January 31, 2006 at 19:52:45 PT
My words are for the thousands of others
who may not be so set in their ways.The Reverend Bud Green"Hugs" FoM "Hugs"
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Comment #37 posted by BGreen on January 31, 2006 at 19:49:16 PT
There are many deceived Christians that believe
KJV Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;KJV Mark 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.There are a lot of dead people in the Appalachians because of this "biblical" lie.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #36 posted by FoM on January 31, 2006 at 19:44:09 PT
BGreen 
BGreen rather then try to debate the issue my heart tells me to think like I do. I have strong convictions but they are mine. I don't want you to believe the way I do but I want to be able to believe the way I do. It's just respect for each other.
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Comment #35 posted by BGreen on January 31, 2006 at 19:39:30 PT
I will be able to show you Bible scholars
who ignore the teachings of Jesus and justify the mass slaughter of innocent people as being "Godly."In other words, I really don't care what the scholars think, because the Holy Spirit resides in me and the Bible was written for me, and this is how we individually interpret the Word of God.Questioning the translation of some part of the Bible isn't the same thing as adding or taking away from it.Please answer this for me, FoM:The King James version of the Bible, the one deemed THE Holy Book by millions of Christians, includes Mark chapter 16, versus 9 through 20. These versus were included in the earliest manuscript available to the King James translators.The New International Version includes these versus, but with this disclaimer: The earliest manuscripts and some other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9-20.This means that God has revealed, through the discovery of manuscripts closer in age to the original Gospel of Mark, that SOMEBODY has ADDED to the Bible, in direct violation of the warning in the Book of Revelation.Are we absolutely certain that nothing else has been added or taken away, now that we have proof that the Bible translation used by most Christians is corrupted?Why is Mark 16:9-20 still in the Bible as the true Word of God now that we know that it was added at a later time?God is exposing the truth to us, but most of the so-called scholars want nothing to do with these discoveries.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #34 posted by FoM on January 31, 2006 at 19:19:41 PT
whig
I don't think that some understand what I'm saying. I don't believe it. Many don't. This needs to be talked about on a forum where it is of interest to everyone. I sure would appreciate it. 
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Comment #33 posted by whig on January 31, 2006 at 19:15:49 PT
Messed up last link
http://www.thc-ministry.org/thelivingtorah.jpg
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Comment #32 posted by whig on January 31, 2006 at 19:15:24 PT
FoM
KANEHBOS (QNH-BSM) is one of the ingredients of the Holy Anointing Oil in Genesis 30:22-25. THIS WORD is translated CALAMUS in the KJV. The LITERAL translation is FRAGRANT HEMP.Here are some resources for you:http://cannabisculture.com/backissues/mayjune96/kanehbosm.htmlhttp://www.njweedman.com/kanehbosm.htmlhttp://www.gnostics.com/numbers-7.htmlhttp://cannabisculture.com/backissues/mayjune96/kanehbosm.html
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Comment #31 posted by FoM on January 31, 2006 at 18:57:20 PT
BGreen 
BGreen I don't think it is important enough to make an issue. If it's true in time a bible scholar who is searching for truth will find it. I can't support what I don't feel in my heart is right for me. I'm sure you can understand that. 
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Comment #30 posted by BGreen on January 31, 2006 at 18:51:07 PT
You don't have to believe, FoM, but I do
You're not going to find any biblical "scholars" who agree if they don't support cannabis because they don't care enough to research the topic.They don't want to look at the (mis)interpretation of what is listed as "cane," even though the medical use of "cane" is dubious at best. These scholars also don't want to investigate the reason why we have the actual recipe for the true Anointment Oil, and yet we don't make it up in massive batches for the healing of the nations because the recipe as written is WORTHLESS.Some of us strongly believe the reason the "anointment oil" isn't the biblical Anointment Oil is because cane is used instead of cannabis, which has proven healing properties very similar to that needed for this recipe to work.John Ashcroft and his bunch (as well as most of the so-called "christian" world) wouldn't use Crisco or any other oil for "anointment" if the translation of the Biblical recipe for the TRUE Anointment Oil was correct.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #29 posted by global_warming on January 31, 2006 at 18:20:22 PT
there is no other way
of doing this,they 'arrested this women called 'Cindy?they are so full of 'fearof this Cindy,much like 'green 'grass,i have to relax, cause i know,'we those people,carry the last sliver of Light,that sliver of paperthat memory of 'Hope,it shall forever be,the raw flesh from our backs,that bloodied moment,witness and bring forth,In Life and Death.
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Comment #28 posted by FoM on January 31, 2006 at 18:15:09 PT
Toker00 
I don't mean to cause trouble but what Bible scholar, not interested in Cannabis,( independent from wanting something to be that way ) can confirm that the word was wrong? When it comes to the Bible I am very touchy about agreeing with something that serious since I believe it's a very serious offense if it's wrong. That's what it says at the end of the Book of Revelation.
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Comment #27 posted by whig on January 31, 2006 at 18:08:34 PT
global_warming
The first link was the actual song - mp3. I uploaded it for you to listen. Maybe we should find another way of doing this.
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Comment #26 posted by global_warming on January 31, 2006 at 18:04:25 PT
thanks
got the lyrics, they sound 'familiar,'Freedom, is what I connected with,also, with a writer/group,who has testified,before a witness,
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Comment #25 posted by whig on January 31, 2006 at 17:49:37 PT
global_warming
Did you get the song?http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/Love/The-Red-Telephone.html
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Comment #24 posted by FoM on January 31, 2006 at 17:47:34 PT
Cindy Sheehan 
They arrested her and I was so hoping to see her at the State of The Union address tonight. That makes me very angry.
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Comment #23 posted by global_warming on January 31, 2006 at 17:46:18 PT
i am done clicking
through and ignoringwhat 'belongs to 'us,
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Comment #22 posted by mayan on January 31, 2006 at 17:44:11 PT
Stronger is Safer!
In the case of drugs, "better" from the sellers' standpoint means more potent and more addictive. If marijuana growers and sellers create stronger pot, they can sell it for more and have more repeat customers.First off, cannabis is not addictive. It might be psycholigically addictive, but then so are twinkies. And why don't they ever mention the fact that if cannabis is stronger then one needs to smoke less of it? Stronger is safer! Stronger is safer! Stronger is safer!!!
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Comment #21 posted by whig on January 31, 2006 at 17:31:15 PT
global_warming
Ignore the user agreement, just click through it, I put some music there for you.
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Comment #20 posted by global_warming on January 31, 2006 at 17:28:21 PT
Kaneh Bosem
it was always and 'forever be,the 'key, into this manifest journey,may 'we 'pray at the table?This is 'The Sabbath Day,In one blink, twinkle,You can join the largest party,
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Comment #19 posted by Toker00 on January 31, 2006 at 17:21:27 PT
Sacrement
I got this from Ferre at THC ministries.New Film Confirms Cannabis in the Holy Anointing Oil, and Makes the link to this oil within early Christianity as part of the Fire Baptism of Jesus Christ.
This Shocking New Film Documentary brings together the worlds foremost researchers on Cannabis in the Holy Anointing Oil as described in Exodus 30:23. The Holy Oil includes an ingredient translated as calamus. This translation is incorrect. Calamus contains a poison called asarone. The term Calamus was mistranslated in the earliest Greek Bible the Septuagint. The Hebrew in this case is Kaneh Bosem. The shocking outline of the film is available below.Go to: Fire Baptism and the Lost Sacramentshttp://pot.tv/ram/pottvshowse3775.ramGCW, have you heard any more about this documentory?Wage peace on war. END CANNABIS PROHIBITION NOW!
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Comment #18 posted by global_warming on January 31, 2006 at 16:56:35 PT
whig
you are some 'character,i have so many user agreements,all of my later life,has been to figure out,how i may satisfy my 'user agreements,yet, 'funny, there is a twinkle,that 'reminds 'me, my baggage in 'this life,may never be 'payed,it might be that this ride through heaven and fleshwas given by GOD
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Comment #17 posted by whig on January 31, 2006 at 16:40:26 PT
global_warming
Love - Forever Changes - The Red Telephonehttp://www.uploadport.com/request/?fid=73Z3R
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Comment #16 posted by global_warming on January 31, 2006 at 16:35:18 PT
what is going on?
my place, in this world, is not as a judge,some simple 'witness, who is 'seeing,How can i go to my 'grave,knowing, having seen 'injustice,must i bear witness against my fellow kind,there is 'a foreverthat is part of my fleshthat may ash upon ash,that Light, Eternally Shines,reflects and glimmers, in the rubbleold empires, fill our history books,there is a 'pathfilled with tired backs,'we can make a difference!
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Comment #15 posted by global_warming on January 31, 2006 at 15:17:21 PT
i have heard most of the reasoned 
arguments, even those horrible racial epitaphs, surely there is some 'genuine reason, why Cannabis is held in such a place?I think that Cannabis is a gateway, that can open your mind, they, the scientific doctors and prohibitionists have such a fear, schizophrenia, mental illness, to me, these are symptoms of a berthing soul, a mind that is ready to come forth in this world, a mind that has a soul, that can start to catch a glimmer, that is a high place in this world.It is that high place where 'we those people belong, it is 'our place to bring 'good news, to clean the table, and prepare, for the best banquet that this Light has given.
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Comment #14 posted by global_warming on January 31, 2006 at 14:57:35 PT
why is that?
"American courts don't recognize marijuana as a sacrament,"
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Comment #13 posted by museman on January 31, 2006 at 12:39:41 PT
hypocrits, liars, and decievers
"American courts don't recognize marijuana as a sacrament,"Maybe it's time we 'don't recognize' american courts as having this kind of authority in our lives?
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Comment #12 posted by whig on January 31, 2006 at 12:30:33 PT
runderwo
Inevitably the demand will be filled by something, if not the same product, then a substitute. Suppliers, for their part, don't want to take unnecessary risks, nor produce a less desirable product which would not be as profitable.When the government interferes with the production of methamphetamine, you haven't done anything to decrease the demand for stimulants. Suppliers who want to produce meth and cannot obtain (pseudo)ephedrine might synthesize it from earlier precursors or extract ma huang, and little changes, or worse, they could start producing a substitute that does a lot more harm but which is more easily produced with still readily available materials.I'm not an advocate for meth, by any means. But I have to say that if pot were legal, a lot of people who might otherwise use meth could be persuaded to smoke pot instead. Harm reduction. I'd really love to be able to put out a drug awareness campaign that encouraged pot as an alternative to alcohol, meth, heroin, tobacco, and lots of other things that provably carry much higher health risks and social costs.
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Comment #11 posted by runderwo on January 31, 2006 at 12:07:30 PT
meth
Well, it's pretty simple. They are trying to reduce the "homegrown" meth labs which are based around ephredine (already controlled) and pseudoephredine. I think it is indeed having an effect on home meth production, and that is good because amateur meth making is just nasty and dangerous.But the part of the picture they are missing is that it just means purer product will be imported from Mexico to make up the demand. You might think oh it's purer, so it's not as harmful, but then it is cut to reduce the price.So yes, this probably reduces dangerous amateur meth labs (at least until another drugstore precursor is found), but they are fooling themselves if they think it is going to have any effect on supply or demand.
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Comment #10 posted by FoM on January 31, 2006 at 09:41:57 PT
 potpal 
I know what you mean about how we eat now. My mom did all the cooking and we ate balanced meals. Ice Cream was a treat and sodas ( Coke) weren't available at my house. I was encouraged to get involved with horses and that kept me busy and fit.As far as diet pills I don't know about now. I remember when they made them not available as a diet drug and tried this lame excuse for a good diet pill and it was called Fastin. It was boring and didn't help with an appetite. I never tried Meth until I couldn't get a good amphetamine and that was a total disaster to my health and mind. Luckily I was able to stop after about a year. Meth and good amphetamine based diet pills work differently.
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Comment #9 posted by potpal on January 31, 2006 at 09:30:22 PT
FoM
Are they gone? I'm not sure of that. They have other uses, believe the air force still administers them to pilots so they stay awake.I went out to dinner this weekend, to a place called Bahama Breeze. The onion ring appetizer alone would have fed a family of 5 in a third world country...insane portions of food. Years ago we played outside and mom fed us real foods. We drank milk, soda was still a treat not a staple.
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Comment #8 posted by FoM on January 31, 2006 at 09:20:03 PT
One More Thought
In my generation no one except Cass Elliot was heavy. I look at the size of people today and it is very sad to see. If good old prescription amphetamine based diet pills were available wouldn't it help the people who are getting very much overweight?
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Comment #7 posted by FoM on January 31, 2006 at 09:15:33 PT
potpal
Yes diet pills were legal and everyone had a weight problem no matter what they weighed back then. I took diet pills for years. I didn't take more then the doctor prescribed but with speed you build up a tolerance very fast. I would stop taking any diet pills for 6 months and gain weight and go back and do it again for a few months. If diet pills were available from a doctor like they were what harm would it do?
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Comment #6 posted by potpal on January 31, 2006 at 09:06:42 PT
prohibition
Meth, in the form of uppers, pharmaceuticals, black beauties, christmas trees, bennies, where everywhere. Mother's little helper. Who put the Benzadrine in Mrs. Murphy's Ovaltine? Without 'em, doubtful we'd of had a very different Beatles or the Bee Gees, Elvis, think that's what Johnny Cash was eating in Walk the Line. Not so much legal over the counter, just about though. In Germany, I think they were. The thought that hemp grew for centuries and was used my humanity for many things and some may have known what the effect of smoking the leaves did and some may have even enjoyed this activity but still it was no big deal. But then the prohibition of cannabis comes around and the result is a culture develops around it's use. So, maybe if they step on cannabis a little harder and little longer that culture will develop into a cultural revolution.
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Comment #5 posted by Had Enough on January 31, 2006 at 08:59:22 PT
CAGW Names Gov. Murkowski Porker of the Month
http://www.cagw.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=9552
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Comment #4 posted by Had Enough on January 31, 2006 at 08:57:17 PT
CAGW Names Gov. Murkowski Porker of the Month
Just a ReminderRegister and Vote these people out, take a friend with you.
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Comment #3 posted by FoM on January 31, 2006 at 08:37:27 PT
Sam 
I never remember Meth being legal but maybe before the 60s it was and I don't know. Meth is a terrible drug and the more they talk about it the more it will make people try it just to check it out. I really mind when a drug like Meth gets news articles for that very reason. They use it to make the laws worse. Spin spin spin
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Comment #2 posted by Sam Adams on January 31, 2006 at 08:29:14 PT
questions
Has anyone, anywhere, ever checked to see if these new meth restrictions will reduce usage and crime - even a little bit? Has anyone ever checked to see if there were less users and less problems with meth during the decades when it was legal and regulated? Why is high-alcohol beer given as a reason to justify arresting people for cannabis? No one is arrested for high-alcohol beer, or 190 proof grain alcohol for that matter. These products are FAR more deadly than cannabis.Just gotta keep re-iterating common sense to myself to keep from losing all touch with reality, which is apparently what's happened to the editors of this paper.
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Comment #1 posted by FoM on January 31, 2006 at 08:09:01 PT
Article on Religious Defense
Excerpt:Schrumpf has filed papers in magistrate court asserting he is protected by the state and U.S. constitutions because the pot was used for religious purposes.He claims to be a member of The Hawai'i Cannabis Ministry.The founder of the group, Roger Christie, 56, of Hilo, Hawaii, said Monday he knows Schrumpf only through correspondence. Christie said he is familiar with the case. He said he recalls getting a donation from Schrumpf and sending him a kit consisting of, among other things, signage designating the defendant's property as a religious sanctuary.However, a representative of NORML, a national marijuana advocacy group, said Schrumpf should forget about fighting the possession charge."There is no religious defense for using marijuana in the United States," said Allen St. Pierre.American courts don't recognize marijuana as a sacrament, unlike the view that some courts have taken regarding peyote use by a small number of Native Americans.Jamaica, contrary to popular belief, does not technically consider cannabis a legal sacrament, regardless of prevalent Rastafarians, St. Pierre said.Too many people in the United States use marijuana for the high court to accept it on religious grounds, he believes.Complete Article: http://www.dailymail.com/news/News/2006013131/
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