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Pot Backers Try Again
Posted by CN Staff on October 20, 2005 at 07:14:57 PT
By Alan Gathright, Rocky Mountain News
Source: Rocky Mountain News
Colorado -- A billboard promoting a pro-marijuana initiative on the Nov. 1 ballot is new, but advocates for victims of domestic violence haven't stopped fuming. "Let's stop pretending that I-100 has anything to do with the issue of preventing domestic violence," said Ellen Stein Wallace, executive director of SafeHouse Denver, a women's shelter and counseling center. "The billboard is still misleading. All they did is put the lie into words instead of pictures."
Supporters of the marijuana legalization initiative on Wednesday unveiled a billboard proclaiming: "Alcohol use makes domestic violence 8 times more likely . . . Marijuana use does not." The text-only advertisement near Invesco Field at Mile High is a second attempt to promote the initiative on a billboard. The message on the first planned billboard was pulled after political leaders and advocates for domestic violence victims condemned it on the grounds that it was misleading and exploited the tragedy of abused women. The billboard included a photo of a battered woman and her abuser, with the slogan: "Reduce family and community violence in Denver. Vote Yes on I-100." Nowhere did the billboard mention marijuana or that the measure's passage would amend Denver law to make it legal for adults to possess one ounce or less of the drug. Anti-violence advocates said that while alcohol use may magnify abuse by someone predisposed to domestic violence, drinking alone will not make someone a batterer. Mason Tvert, head of the Initiative 100 group, Safer Alternative for Enjoyable Recreation, conceded Wednesday that the first billboard "offended and upset a number of folks." "We have decided to change it so that it is less graphic and more detailed in conveying our message that if adults are allowed to use marijuana instead of alcohol, we might be able to avert a number of alcohol- related crimes that occur in this city," Tvert said. The new billboard's message, underscoring in red the increased likelihood of domestic violence when people drink alcohol, is based on a 2003 study by addiction researchers at the State University of New York in Buffalo. Researchers tracking 149 men with a history of domestic violence over 15 months found "the odds of any male-to-female aggression were more than eight times . . . higher on days when men drank than on days of no alcohol consumption." The study also found that marijuana use alone was "not significantly associated with an increased likelihood of male partner violence." Domestic violence victim advocates say the new billboard continues to deceive voters with a bogus message. "We still get back to the same issue that they are trying to mask an issue by stating that if you vote for this initiative it will reduce domestic violence, and that is absolutely, categorically false," said Randy Saucedo, advocacy director for the Colorado Coalition Against Domestic Violence. "Domestic violence is not caused by alcohol," he said. "It is caused by people who want to have power and control (over their partner) and they want to use violence to further it."Note: Billboard's message still doesn't satisfy anti-violence forces.Source: Denver Rocky Mountain News (CO)Author:  Alan Gathright, Rocky Mountain NewsPublished: October 20, 2005Copyright: 2005 Denver Publishing Co.Contact: letters rockymountainnews.comWebsite: http://www.rockymountainnews.com/Related Articles & Web Sites:Safer Choicehttp://www.saferchoice.org/Change The Climatehttp://www.changetheclimate.org/ Controversial Pot Billboard Goes Uphttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21209.shtmlPot Backers Delay Billboardshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21202.shtmlPot Backers Won't Halt Domestic Violence Adshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21193.shtml
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Comment #49 posted by GreenJoy on October 24, 2005 at 02:26:15 PT
Anybody Else?
 OK. I am glad to hear from my friends at CNews of yet another benefit to Cannabis use. I paraphrase Abe Lincoln because I can't find the exact quote right now. Government oversteps its boundaries when it creates legislation that seeks to control a person's appetites and it makes crime of things which are not crimes. That is the heart of the matter to me. Its ok to say Cannabis reduces this and cures that and all. Its just not where I would hang my hat. The government HAS aggregiously overstepped its boundaries. That simple truth stands on its own really I believe. I prefer front on rather than oblique.
 The noise of propaganda would seem to have made simple truths inaudible. So...one way or another I guess. GJ  GJ
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Comment #48 posted by afterburner on October 23, 2005 at 10:14:16 PT
GreenJoy - Comment #32
{I have not heard any "drinkers" say that if Cannabis were legal they would change.}I have met several alcoholics who use medical cannabis to avoid the dangers of their alcohol addiction. These people live in Canada, the world's first country to legalize medical cannabis (even though the tepid and over-controlled government response was forced upon the government by court challenges by medical patients). Because quasi-legal cannabis is more available in Canada than in most of the USA (with its often still draconian zero-tolerance approach to cannabis), alcoholics can rely on a steady supply of medical cannabis in a less threatening climate. Many in the USA would still feel very threatened by the existing law-enforcement climate and may feel that continuing to use alcohol is the path of least resistance.Nice, Dankhank. Like you and Hope, I also have dead relatives in the USA who might have been cured or at least have had their pain ameliorated if only the prevailing climate was not to demonize cannabis AND to shoot the messenger. Things are improving, but progress is still painfully slow. We need to get in-their-face more and more until they can no longer avoid our issue.
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Comment #47 posted by GreenJoy on October 22, 2005 at 07:08:21 PT
More latent nearly qualifying
 And actually, Cannabis did help me quit smoking cigarretes. 
 I had one of those cigarrete looking hitters that goes with a dugout. Close enough. A fair amount of the cigarette crutch is the act of it. Craving the paper burn? Roll a doobie. I don't doubt that chemically Cannabis made the effort easier as well. Anyway it worked. Cigarette free for 16 years.  GJ
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Comment #46 posted by GreenJoy on October 22, 2005 at 06:52:06 PT
 Well OK then
 I guess I just won't have to get all GRIZZZZLY about it. :-) Something set me off. I still say the main thing is the main thing.  GJ
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Comment #45 posted by Dankhank on October 21, 2005 at 23:53:02 PT
Sure Thing
Absolutes are ... well ... absolute and thus, not suited in discussions of human events as we are many, varied and contrary.Cannabis will not solve social problems but should contribute measurably to ameliorate many. That's all any of us could hope for. Peace to all who educate ... 
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Comment #44 posted by unkat27 on October 21, 2005 at 13:00:21 PT
GreenJoy
"But to say Cannabis will bring an end to D.V. or alcoholism is just to broad for me and skirts what I believe is the larger point." -- GJI don't believe in absolutes. Anyone who does really isn't being very realistic. There are ALWAYS exceptions to rules.
I don't think the message is that "cannabis will bring an end to D.V.", the message is "Cannabis will reduce D.V." (considerably is open for debate)Ultimately, ANY reduction in D.V. is good.
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Comment #43 posted by GreenJoy on October 21, 2005 at 11:42:54 PT
Nearly Qualifying
 DankHank. Yes, I suppose so. I acknowledge there are some for whom alchol is an absolute train wreck. I hope my story of my friend was not too much at his expense. Just my own personal experience with someone that has a lot of anger already boiling under the surface and for whom alcohol is clearly a bad, bad thing . Of course in most cases alcohol can feed the fire. Cannabis can calm it. I don't argue that point. But to say Cannabis will bring an end to D.V. or alcoholism is just to broad for me and skirts what I believe is the larger point. Maybe this is the way. A little off angle for me. Whatever works ultimately?
  GJ
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Comment #42 posted by FoM on October 21, 2005 at 09:59:32 PT
Alcohol and Legal Drug Withdrawal
I know that Cannabis was the only thing that helped me when I quit those substances. It stopped the nightmares and helped me sleep.
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Comment #41 posted by Dankhank on October 21, 2005 at 09:52:03 PT
replacing alcohol
Greenjoy, you make good points. Then you nearly qualify when you cite your friends avoidance of alcohol in favor of Cannabis.Your friend recognised the danger to himself from alcohol and avoids it while recognising that Cannabis is a much better way to medicate/recreate.To others skeptical, it must be obvious that many Alcohol users may choose Cannabis if legally available.Organizers invited a young man, a Special Judge, to Cannabis Cup 9, to speak about his use of Cannabis to fight Alcoholism.I spent a lot of time with him as he was the one Special Judge who spent a lot of time in the Pax Party House, meeting the "regular" judges. His beautiful wife and infant child were luminous in that place.He was one man who recognized Alcohol wasn't his friend and used Cannabis to kick the habit. How many more in the wings?  
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Comment #40 posted by FoM on October 21, 2005 at 09:38:22 PT
GRIZZZZLY BARRRRR
OK you old bear you! LOL!
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Comment #39 posted by GreenJoy on October 21, 2005 at 09:35:34 PT
FoM
 Thanks. I probably shouldn't be letting that get around. Naw, A'hm meaner than a GRIZZZZLY BARRRRR! LOL
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Comment #38 posted by FoM on October 21, 2005 at 09:18:19 PT
GreenJoy
A sweetie pie. I like that.
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Comment #37 posted by GreenJoy on October 21, 2005 at 09:10:15 PT
Overwhelm Sam
 I question all large sweeping generalizations. They make me nervous. I am one of the exceptions. So is my entire family. We drink in moderation at times and the house just gets a little *warmer*. On the rare occasion I've actually been drunk I've been told I'm an absolute sweetie pie. Alcohol is an uninhibitor. Is it not reasonable to think that in the case of D.V. it is simply pooring gas on what is already a bed of hot coals? I have a good friend who has absolutely no business going near even one beer. Night and day. On a rare day he had some drinks, approached me rudely about something, I stood my ground. Suddenly he had me by the throat and it was really scary because this guy is a scrapper. Someone broke his hold and I lived. Months later he came to my home and apologized. He avoids alcohol like the plague now and he is one of those that should. And he loves his weed. I'm truly glad we are still friends because he is actually a really nice guy and I care about him. But he has a seething undercurrent that I'm quite certain has roots that go way deep and that are unleashed with alcohol. I just wish the issue of legalization could stand on its own as far as what the gov't has a right to do without glomming onto tangent issues and making them the "tip of the spear".
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Comment #36 posted by OverwhelmSam on October 21, 2005 at 04:57:49 PT
This Discussion Is Completely Moot
I can't believe this guy from Colorado says that alcohol has no impact on Domestic Violence, and some here are even wondering about it. I came from a field where I had to deal with domestic violence issues on a weekly basis. The culprit was predominately alcohol. The couple started drinking, they got into an argument and the fight ensued. I don't EVER recall a couple smoking a joint, getting into a fight and calling for medical or law enforcement assistance. Perhaps the fact that marijuana is illegal prevents battered spouses from calling the police - in this case marijuana prohibition promotes continuous unreported domestic violence. Or just maybe, couples who use marijuana are not as subject to domestic violence as, say sober people.Alcohol consumption generally leads to violence. Everyone in the world knows this FACT. To say that it does not lead to domestic violence is the most ABSURD thing I've ever heard and someone is clearly LYING. Marijuana prohibitionist?Marijuana consumption generally leads to non-violence. Everyone in the world knows this FACT. To say that it does not lead to a more peaceful environment in the family setting is RIDICULOUS.Are there going to be exceptional cases, yes. However, marijuana regulation for adult use can have a significant impact on domestic violence. Any other assertion is ludicrous on it's face.
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Comment #35 posted by GreenJoy on October 20, 2005 at 21:05:34 PT
Also UK
 I didn't mean to be exclusive neccessarily with the Anglo thing at all. Just know that for my own ancestory...weeeelll its true. Anyway, typo man out. csaes shoulda read cases. And the only reason that hapeppppened is cuz I'm halfeway threuu aaa siiisxx riiggghytt gggnnnnoowwww.GJ  Pretty Foster Brooks of me and the truth!
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Comment #34 posted by GreenJoy on October 20, 2005 at 20:12:50 PT
UnKats Corner
Hullo UnKat. Where do you live? We keep hearing how bad it is there. Its bad here to. For my own part I know there are narcs o' plenty around my zone. And I got into tons of trouble my own self. I was cool as a cucumber for years and years and then many forces came together. A snitch, a percaset, ultracet, darvocet, prednisone, vioxx soaked brain missed a square centimeter of opportunity, bad luck...but until then it was easy to stay ahead and be cool and be smart and enjoy. All good things come to an end in my case I guess. The risk was way worth it until suddenly it all came crashing down. Or rather, they came crashing in. Anyway, for a long time I had plenty of both. Great weed/great beer. One did not cancel out the use or abuse of the other in my case. I really do hope that Change the Climate is dead on it! For some reason I really can't grog I'm devil's advocate lately. The bottom line for me is that the gov't has no right to control my consumption of a relatively benign and in many csaes beneficial substance when I can go into any of at least 1000 bars or liqour stores and easily buy enough alcohol to kill myself and maybe others right now. Its ridiculous. Will legalizing Cannabis end domestic violence or cure alcholics? I think not. "Oh if I only had some weed I could kick it." I just don't believe it. Alcohol has some serious history in Anglo civilization. There are some that just have a problem with it and always will. And I do believe I've heard it called warnog. So I don't disagree about what it can do to people. Cannabis for me is a path to greater creativity, self awareness, bliss, and I believe to God also.  GJ
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Comment #33 posted by unkat27 on October 20, 2005 at 18:44:45 PT
From Narko-land
"I have not heard any "drinkers" say that if Cannabis were legal they would change." -- GreenJoyGad, I hear about such people all the time. I dunno what it's like where you are, but in my neck of the woods there are countless cases. Many reformed alcoholics and "drinkers" who have that bad habit have admitted that having safe, legal access to cannabis would make their situation a whole lot easier. The problem is, I guess, they don't live in California or any other cannabis-friendly community. They live where I live: Narko-land. Narks on every corner and in every neighborhood, ready and drooling to pounce on anyone suspected of being in possession. When its this bad, alcohol is the "safer" choice, unfortunately. But only because its legal. 
Narko-land
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Comment #32 posted by GreenJoy on October 20, 2005 at 17:10:43 PT
NICE DankHank
 Beautifully thought out and put together! Still I wonder if it doesn't presuppose a bit to think that many who turn to alcohol would do otherwise given the choice to have Cannabis legally. Before Cannabis was made illegal I imagine there were still plenty of drunks. Maybe fewer, and they didn't have access to 140 mph vehicles, but they were there. I have not heard any "drinkers" say that if Cannabis were legal they would change. Although illegal, Cannabis abounds. I should think there is more of it about than ever. I think that alcohol will always call to those with pain to cover or kill, to those trying to fill an empty hole. The scourge is that used in that context it always makes things worse in the long run...sometimes the short run. GJ 
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Comment #31 posted by mayan on October 20, 2005 at 16:59:07 PT
Hmmm
We still get back to the same issue that they are trying to mask an issue by stating that if you vote for this initiative it will reduce domestic violence, and that is absolutely, categorically false," said Randy Saucedo, advocacy director for the Colorado Coalition Against Domestic Violence. "Domestic violence is not caused by alcohol," he said. "It is caused by people who want to have power and control (over their partner) and they want to use violence to further it."This guy sure is defending alcohol a lot! It seems that he is more interested at taking the blame off of alcohol than debunking cannabis as an alternative. Could it be that the Colorado Coalition Against Domestic Violence receives 
some funding from Coors or other brewers and distillers? I know that many of these brewers and distillers contribute money to programs/efforts to prevent drunk driving. They simply have to keep up the PR to keep their drug legal and affordable with minimal taxes. I know Anheuser-Busch used to support the CAMP program(Campaign Against Marijuana Planting) and they still spend mega-bucks on anti-drunk driving ads and ads aiming to prevent teen drinking. Maybe they also feel a certain amount of guilt since their drug kills thousands of people a year. I have never seen a can of Budweiser beat on anyone but I know that it is a contributing factor to domestic violence. It's possibe that Change the Climate never intended to run the first ad but regardless, they started the debate comparing alcohol to cannabis. Cannabis will surely come out ahead! Hats off to them and their continued success! 
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Comment #30 posted by FoM on October 20, 2005 at 15:04:24 PT
Dankhank 
You're a real good guy. You wear a white hat in my book.
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Comment #29 posted by Dankhank on October 20, 2005 at 14:57:17 PT
Trying to help
When my mother-in-law was dying she was mostly narco-zombied. I mentioned Cannabis to her oldest son, a VP with Merck, and was immediately rebuffed by this "expert."So I shut up. I know it would have been interesting if the family learned of that conversation.I left out my Mom's second husband, dead last year of a Brain Tumor. And now we know of Cannabis' effect on brain tumors.Those who know me will tell you that I have little patience with idiots.I will refine this and look for places to send it, Hope. Thank You ...Peace to all who fight.
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Comment #28 posted by Hope on October 20, 2005 at 13:50:01 PT
We knew
it did make some people, many people, in fact, feel better. That was one thing that was very clear right off the bat.We knew it would stimulate one's appetite. 
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Comment #27 posted by Hope on October 20, 2005 at 13:33:43 PT
Oh yes...
And I'm very sorry about all that bad stuff, too. It is especially irksome...to put it as civily as I can.We've all wondered such things.When the news of the Alzheimer studies finally made the news, my mother asked me why didn't I suggest it back twenty years or so ago when my grandfather was alive.I shudder to think what her reaction might have been had I suggested such a thing. I told her, "Mother...we didn't know either. We wondered about that stuff...and suspected there were very good untapped things about it...but no one was allowed to do tests. We didn't know." I didn't mention "And can you imagine just how you would have acted, if I had suggested that?"I love her very much.
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Comment #26 posted by Hope on October 20, 2005 at 13:22:14 PT
Especially this part. It's stunning.
My oldest son was killed by a drunk driver. If Cannabis had been legal would he be dead? Maybe, but what if the drunk had never come to depend on Alcohol having discovered Cannabis? Do stoned drivers kill others when driving? Maybe some, but nowhere near the rate drunks do.My mother-in-law died of Lung Cancer in 1999, 23 years after the University of Virginia discovered that Cannabis killed cancer cells, a study supressed until 1999, when the same facts were discovered independently by the University of Madrid. Would she be alive today if the 1976 study had been publicized and taken further? Maybe, but I will never know.My best friend died of a brain anuresym in 2000 probably due to alcoholism. He liked pot, but his mate was adament, "Use pot and I leave." Would he still be alive if he had used Cannabis instead of Vodka? Maybe, but I will never know.My father died in 1982 of pneumonia caused by ALS, a terrible neuromuscular disease. Recent studies have shown that Cannabis can slow down the progression of neuromuscular diseases. Would my father be alive today if Cannabis had been studied with a vengence starting in 1976? Maybe, but I will never know.This country would be a far different place if Nixon had agreed with his "Shafer Commission" and legalized Cannabis instead of villifying the commission and the plant. How different ... we will never know.My point is this ... we have seen what "Business as Usual" has produced in this country. Lock up the peaceful people and leave the monsters to roam at will.Will Cannabis stop an alcoholic from beating his spouse? Maybe not, but can't we try? Will solely Cannabis-users beat their spouses? Maybe, but not at the rates drinkers do. This I state with assurance that I am on the right track.If Cannabis is legal many will not use alcohol when they discover no hangovers, few fights, much love and understanding.
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Comment #25 posted by Hope on October 20, 2005 at 13:19:22 PT
Dear Dankhank...Comment #24
Dankhank, I must insist that you shop that around as an op-ed or something...a letter...letters...something... a read speech, a memorized speech, anything.I insist.
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Comment #24 posted by Dankhank on October 20, 2005 at 12:37:31 PT
Cannabis and Life
I've read the comments regarding the propensity of Cannabis to mitigate domestic violence. It's quite a large collection of thoughtful comments laced with "feelings' on some level.I see a problem with using "feelings" to define an issue. Better we should look to some "facts" as a guide to how things may actually happen.Alcohol is a drug known to exacerbate "ill will" in a myriad of situations and is viewed that way by most thinking individuals.Cannabis is a plant that is viewed as a "calming influence" to most, and that includes law enforcement. I attended an outdoor concert in OKC one time wherin I observed a lot of pot smoking and some binge drinking. The pot smokers were calm, the drinkers were staggering around vomiting at will. I had to leave for a while and as I was leaving I talked about this fact to an officer of the law on my way out while determining the policy on reentry. The cop said that she had worked the Marilyn Manson concert a few weeks before and those kids were well-behaved, causing minimal trouble compared to the crowd at the concert ongoing. She said that her fellow officers would prefer to guard another Marilyn Manson concert opposed to another of these outdoor beer-laden events.The Dutch opened the coffeeshops to revelers at the 2000 World Cup match/s held in Holland and had almost NO trouble from the "hooligans," who spent gametime stoned in coffeeshops only grumbling when their team lost.I speak to a number of young adult men who almost universally say that using Cannabis helps them to manage their violent tendencies.My oldest son was killed by a drunk driver. If Cannabis had been legal would he be dead? Maybe, but what if the drunk had never come to depend on Alcohol having discovered Cannabis? Do stoned drivers kill others when driving? Maybe some, but nowhere near the rate drunks do.My mother-in-law died of Lung Cancer in 1999, 23 years after the University of Virginia discovered that Cannabis killed cancer cells, a study supressed until 1999, when the same facts were discovered independently by the University of Madrid. Would she be alive today if the 1976 study had been publicized and taken further? Maybe, but I will never know.My best friend died of a brain anuresym in 2000 probably due to alcoholism. He liked pot, but his mate was adament, "Use pot and I leave." Would he still be alive if he had used Cannabis instead of Vodka? Maybe, but I will never know.My father died in 1982 of pneumonia caused by ALS, a terrible neuromuscular disease. Recent studies have shown that Cannabis can slow down the progression of neuromuscular diseases. Would my father be alive today if Cannabis had been studied with a vengence starting in 1976? Maybe, but I will never know.This country would be a far different place if Nixon had agreed with his "Shafer Commission" and legalized Cannabis instead of villifying the commission and the plant. How different ... we will never know.My point is this ... we have seen what "Business as Usual" has produced in this country. Lock up the peaceful people and leave the monsters to roam at will.Will Cannabis stop an alcoholic from beating his spouse? Maybe not, but can't we try? Will solely Cannabis-users beat their spouses? Maybe, but not at the rates drinkers do. This I state with assurance that I am on the right track.If Cannabis is legal many will not use alcohol when they discover no hangovers, few fights, much love and understanding.I believe it's time to emulate the excellent organization, Act-Up. It's time to get in politicians' and peoples' faces and to DEMAND an end to the madness.I applaud Change the Climate, I think they may be smarter than us on this issue.Look at how this country is ... may we try something else?
Ranting for eight years ...
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Comment #23 posted by siege on October 20, 2005 at 10:28:19 PT
Words
Randy Saucedo: As a minister I have to carry a type of malpractice insurance so ( choose ) your words every carefully. 
Being your the advocacy director for the Colorado Coalition Against Domestic Violence.
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Comment #22 posted by unkat27 on October 20, 2005 at 10:15:05 PT
Mj Possession a Crime, worst than Assault? B-S!
"Tom Riley of White House drug czar John Walters' office"it's hard and complicated to prove a lot of crimes like assault and battery," while it is "easy to prove" marijuana possession." -- SeigeSomebody should ask that guy where it is written in the Ten Commandmants that "Thou shall not commit marijuana possession." Where's the crime? I don't see it, and apparently neither did God.Sorry, I'm not religious, but I just couldn't help it.- "Easy to prove" marijuana possession." Yeah, that's why cops like it so much, it's their goddam pay-dirt!
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Comment #21 posted by Sam Adams on October 20, 2005 at 10:12:54 PT
the Big Picture
The question for SafeHouse Denver is - do you have all the money you need? Would getting a 10% or 20% increase in funding from the state help you to protect battered women? People in our consumer-driven frenzied culture cannot understand anymore that government has finite resources! Politicians can't just get on a podium and say, "We're going to fight harder against domestic violence." In order to do that, MONEY must be subtracted from somewhere else. Or taxes must be increased. If taxes are raised too high, it will kill the economy and hammer all government programs. Police and prisons are one of the most cost-intensive areas of state government. Social workers are one of the most cost-effective uses of money. Social workers get paid what, like $20-$25K per year? Most of them have masters degrees.Cops get $80,000 per year plus coffee-drinking overtime. Most of them didn't go to college at all. Social workers don't get overtime.I think this is a disgusting mis-allocation of resources. I love Change the Climate's work. Someone has to try to wake people up out of their government-worship brainwashing.
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Comment #20 posted by Hope on October 20, 2005 at 09:42:08 PT
Toker
That's more than your opinion...it's your experience, too.
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Comment #19 posted by Toker00 on October 20, 2005 at 09:39:18 PT
six of one, half a dozen of another...
"Domestic violence is not caused by alcohol," he said. "It is caused by people who want to have power and control (over their partner) and they want to use violence to further it."Now I agree with this. I know too many people, who neither drink nor smoke, who abuse. Some were cops, and not to demonize one group or another, some were christians.But I still say alcohol will fuel a fire, whereas cannabis can squelch a storm. (I've experienced both) But again, that is just my opinion.Wage peace on war. END CANNABIS PROHIBITION NOW! 
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Comment #18 posted by siege on October 20, 2005 at 09:38:00 PT
Read top post at the botten
need there be any thing else said!
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Comment #17 posted by Hope on October 20, 2005 at 09:35:13 PT
Seige
When did he say that?
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Comment #16 posted by siege on October 20, 2005 at 09:33:16 PT
 Tom Riley 
Tom Riley of White House drug czar John Walters' office
 it's hard and complicated to prove a lot of crimes like assault and battery," while it is "easy to prove" marijuana possession.
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Comment #15 posted by FoM on October 20, 2005 at 09:29:09 PT
Jack of All Trades
I'm not a jack of all trades. I focus on something important to me and am like a horse with blinkers on. When we are working on the house I am totally into that and the same thing with CNews.
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Comment #14 posted by Hope on October 20, 2005 at 09:28:41 PT
A person should have confidence in his own
opinion...but it is still just that.
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Comment #13 posted by Hope on October 20, 2005 at 09:26:54 PT
That's true, of course,
for all of us. None of us "knows" that, but many people behave as though they for sure do. They're wrong...but that's what they believe anyway.
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Comment #12 posted by Hope on October 20, 2005 at 09:22:28 PT
I also enjoy your wisdom and understanding...
 "I really don't know that my feelings are always correct."
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Comment #11 posted by FoM on October 20, 2005 at 09:15:36 PT
Hope
Thank you. I have strong feelings about issues but I really don't know that my feelings are always correct. I don't want to lead the news or comments. I try to stay on Cannabis issues because that is what is important to me. I never thought about drug issues much. That hasn't been my burden. That's why it's good to have different web sites that go into drug issues. I enjoy web sites that stay on a certain topic and don't stray from it too far. The Rust List is like that for me. No politics some non Neil comments but music related. They have good moderators and it is a world wide group and other countries really don't care about american politics so it's a place I can just read and relax.
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Comment #10 posted by Hope on October 20, 2005 at 09:02:01 PT
I, for one, and there are many who do,
appreciate your hard, and dedicated and extraordinarily disciplined work.Thank you.
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Comment #9 posted by FoM on October 20, 2005 at 08:29:14 PT
You Know Something Hope and Everyone
I want to do a good job and make CNews a pleasant and good learning experience for all of us. It's really better for me to be quiet on some issues and let the debating go on. 
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Comment #8 posted by Hope on October 20, 2005 at 08:24:50 PT
The way I am
is that I don't know what to say either, but all too often I say something anyway.Your way is superior.
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Comment #7 posted by FoM on October 20, 2005 at 08:21:03 PT
Amen Hope!
That's the way I am! Silence is golden is a good expression for me!
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Comment #6 posted by Hope on October 20, 2005 at 08:18:46 PT
"...don't even know what to say"
Be thankful. That's better than saying the wrong thing.
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Comment #5 posted by FoM on October 20, 2005 at 08:03:29 PT
Their Problem
EJ I am a very simple minded person. When something gets too complex for me I get stuck and don't even know what to say. I believe in being straight forward. I want my yes to mean yes and my no to mean no so I don't confuse anyone with what I'm trying to say. This whole issue has totally confused me. 
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Comment #4 posted by Hope on October 20, 2005 at 08:03:21 PT
I've seen it.
My own dear Grandmother. She has a very dangerous and well maintained Backburner.
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Comment #3 posted by Hope on October 20, 2005 at 08:02:14 PT
Some never do, and then it's on the Backburner.
for the rest of their natural life."...victims of domestic violence haven't stopped fuming...".I've seen it.
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Comment #2 posted by E_Johnson on October 20, 2005 at 07:55:50 PT
I agree FoM now it's their problem
But I still think it's a naive fantasy that legalizing marijuana would have an impact on domestic violence.
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Comment #1 posted by FoM on October 20, 2005 at 07:40:34 PT
Oh My
They are still angry. They need to work on anger management maybe.
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