cannabisnews.com: 'Ganja Guru' Appeal Set After Delay 'Ganja Guru' Appeal Set After Delay Posted by CN Staff on September 12, 2005 at 06:40:28 PT By Josh Richman, Staff Writer Source: Oakland Tribune California -- More than two years after being convicted and sentenced for growing marijuana, Oakland's self-styled "Guru of Ganja" will make his appeal Tuesday for why even a slap on the wrist was too much. Ed Rosenthal, a renowned pro-marijuana author, activist and cultivation authority, claims he never should have been convicted of three marijuana-growing felonies. The government claims he not only deserved conviction, but he also deserved at least two to five years in prison instead of his one-day, time-already-served sentence. Three judges of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals will decide sometime in the few months after Tuesday's arguments. Rosenthal — famed for his books and for the "Ask Ed" column he wrote for "High Times" magazine — became a medical-marijuana cause celebre after his February 2002 arrest. Drug Enforcement Administration agents raided sites including his Oakland home office; an Oakland warehouse where he'd been growing marijuana; San Francisco's Harm Reduction Center medical marijuana club, which he'd supplied; and the HRC's founder's Petaluma home. After a five-day trial, a federal jury convicted Rosenthal on Jan. 31, 2003, of three marijuana-growing felonies. Upon learning afterward of the state and city protections Rosenthal had not been allowed to raise as a defense, several jurors renounced their verdict and rallied to his cause. U.S. District Judge Charles Breyer sentenced Rosenthal on June 4, 2003, to one day in prison. On appeal, Rosenthal basically claims Breyer erred by not letting him mount an "entrapment-by-estoppel" defense —that is, that local and federal officials had led him to believe his conduct was protected under California's 1996 compassionate-use law and by an Oakland ordinance under which he was deemed an city officer permitted to grow marijuana. Light Sentence ExplainedIn fact, the appeal notes that at Rosenthal's sentencing, Breyer said he believed Rosenthal reasonably — although incorrectly — thought the state and local laws immunized him; the judge used this as an explanation for the lighter-than-normal sentence. The Appeal Also Claims:* Federal prosecutor George Bevan committed misconduct by falsely telling the grand jury that later indicted Rosenthal that federal agencies were not aiming to shut down medical marijuana clubs; * Rosenthal wasn't allowed to rebut the government's claims that he grew the marijuana for profit; * Two jurors committed misconduct by voting to convict based in part on an attorney-friend's advice not to stray from the judge's instructions; * Breyer erred by instructing the jury it could not bring its "sense of justice" to bear on this case; and * Breyer erred by refusing to exclude evidence from the Oakland warehouse based on Rosenthal's claim that the warrant lacked probable cause. The government not only disputes all of these claims but is seeking a harsher sentence of at least two to five years in prison. Government's BriefEven if the city of Oakland approved of and encouraged his conduct, the government's brief says, a "one-day sentence for a defendant who has been a sophisticated marijuana cultivator for more than four years is simply indefensible in light of Congress' clear intent to treat marijuana cultivation as a serious offense, regardless of the use to which the marijuana is put." Breyer's enormous departure from sentencing guidelines "was an abuse of judicial discretion and the case should be remanded for resentencing," the brief concludes. Rosenthal's case was on hold for many months as the appeals court awaited the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in Gonzales v. Raich, another Oakland-based case aimed at halting federal prosecution of medical marijuana patients and caregivers. That case's plaintiffs had argued the Constitution's commerce clause lets Congress regulate only interstate commerce, and that Californians' medical marijuana use neither crosses state lines nor involves money changing hands. That would mean the Controlled Substances Act's marijuana ban oversteps Congress' authority, and so shouldn't be used to prosecute patients and caregivers. But in a 6-3 ruling in June, the Supreme Court essentially concluded that even marijuana grown in back yards for personal, medical use can affect or contribute to the illegal interstate market for marijuana, and so is within Congress' constitutional reach. Once the federal government was cleared to arrest and prosecute patients and caregivers, Rosenthal's appeal began moving forward again. Circuit Judges Betty Fletcher, Marsha Berzon and John Gibson will hear Rosenthal's appeal. Varied BackgroundsFletcher is a 1979 Carter appointee and former Seattle attorney with a liberal reputation. Berzon is a 1999 Clinton appointee who, after clerking for outspoken liberal U.S. Supreme Court Justice William Brennan, spent most of her career in private practice in San Francisco. And Gibson, "on loan" from the 8th Circuit appeals court, was a Kansas City attorney before being nominated to the federal bench in 1981 and the circuit court in 1982 by President Reagan. "We think it's a panel that will be fair and carefully consider the claims," said Dennis Riordan, one of Rosenthal's attorneys. Note: Oaklander argues even light sentence for pot convictions too harsh; feds want 2 to 5 years.Source: Oakland Tribune (CA)Author: Josh Richman, Staff WriterPublished: September 12, 2005Copyright: 2005 MediaNews Group, Inc. Contact: triblet angnewspapers.com Website: http://www.oaklandtribune.com/Related Articles & Web Site:Ed Rosenthal's Trial Pictures & Articleshttp://freedomtoexhale.com/trialpics.htmTwist Ends Medical Marijuana Casehttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread16545.shtmlGuru's Tirade on Marijuana Earns Respect http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread16540.shtml Home Comment Email Register Recent Comments Help Comment #87 posted by global_warming on September 14, 2005 at 15:56:46 PT re:giving I've spent nearly four of my five and ahalf decades in California, north and south, that's 'the show somebody else state'. Not much college, but more than 15 years in the Pest Control Industry. Five or six or seven kids from three marriages. I love my country. I want to give"..Thanks, to the many giving hands, that would eclipse those taking hands, and much of my half has been a wasted search for some true gold vain that much like that "big lottery" maybe my sister is correct, she has a better chance that Jesus, The Christ has less a "chance" to come back from the dead, than her chances to win that lottery.The Western World, has Jury Nullification, though deeply forgotten, it is the foundation of this western jurisprudence, that system that has allowed such pimpish draggards such as the clintons or bushes to show their disgraced faces before this tribunal.The hand of Grace has been offeredIt is withering on that hot crossWho will stand up?Max, a few days,On That Beautiful shore,..As more little people stand upBecome that mass that will forceThe tyrants and slave holders,To an inch of this God given realityWe can embrace our fall colours,As the leaves fallBringing that Night cold air,Our chimneys sing and offer gracegw [ Post Comment ] Comment #86 posted by afterburner on September 14, 2005 at 11:14:01 PT OT: but Revealing. Wanted? LTE about Hemp.diesel Sep. 14, 2005. 06:55 AM. 2176: The oil boom busts "What would happen if the price of oil more than tripled to $200 a barrel? The short answer is that no one knows" THOMAS WALKOM http://tinyurl.com/8vuyw [Toronto Star - free registration] [ Post Comment ] Comment #85 posted by Hope on September 14, 2005 at 10:42:25 PT Clinton...and Gore broke my heart, too. They were a major disappointment. It's too sad to think of. [ Post Comment ] Comment #84 posted by goneposthole on September 13, 2005 at 20:03:59 PT made a mistake The moon is in capricorn.Everybody makes mistakes. I stand corrected.http://www.lunarliving.org/calendars/moon09_2005.htmlMoon in Capricorn:Work and duty are in order with the Moon in Capricorn. The drive is for status and financial security. People can become insensitive. Don't ask for credit during this phase of the Moon. Apply yourself to the tasks of the day and stay in the present.http://www.astrologyhouse.com/moonsigns.htmlI voted for David Cobb. I vote I don't regret. [ Post Comment ] Comment #83 posted by FoM on September 13, 2005 at 19:33:44 PT Thinks Would Be Different I agree EJ that things would be way different then now if it had happened like you said. [ Post Comment ] Comment #82 posted by E_Johnson on September 13, 2005 at 19:16:53 PT This is my dream world that might have been Clinton apologized to Paula Jones and settled out of court with her right away when the scandal first broke and there never was any court deposition where Monica Lewinsky's name came up, hence there never was any subpoena for her from Ken Starr and there never was a legal investigation into their affair. So there never was perjury, and no impeachment either.Without that political firestorm (of his own creation), maybe Clinton would have felt he had the political capital to stand behind the IOM report as he should have and admit to the public that medical marijuana is not a fraud.Even if Bush had still been elected, which is doubtful, the federal toothpaste would have been out of the tube. A sitting president would have acknowledged the IOM report, and that would become a real challenge for Bush to overcome.If Gore were elected, no longer tarnished by Clinton's poor choices, he could have supported that position, and think where we'd be today.Oh well, that's not the way it happened. In some other universe, maybe it happened that way, but not in ours. [ Post Comment ] Comment #81 posted by FoM on September 13, 2005 at 19:04:04 PT goneposthole I'm a Scorpio. Duh, I don't know much about this stuff. [ Post Comment ] Comment #80 posted by E_Johnson on September 13, 2005 at 18:57:32 PT Really I am NOT defending Bush trust me I really hate it when I criticize Clinton and somebody accuses me of defending Bush.They're not running against each other for anything. If they were, obviously I would vote for Clinton.But as far as impeachment goes, I think Bush is going to get away with everything he's done, because of the clever way he did it.That's not defending him, that's just acknowledging that he's really good at being bad. [ Post Comment ] Comment #79 posted by mayan on September 13, 2005 at 17:34:35 PT Divide & Conquer Here we are fighting amongst ourselves, just as the RepubliCrats want it! Divide and conquer. The two-party system is the reason the fabric of our society is tearing at the seams right before our eyes. ISN'T THAT JUST SOOOOO FREAKING OBVIOUS BY NOW???If you want to see the end of western civilization just keep voting for them. Like I've said before, we are now witnessing the culmination of years and years of voting for the lesser of two evils. Americans have been manipulated and don't even realize it. Here are some very enlightening links regarding PSYOPS and the CFR...Roadshow of Deception: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/2807/ [ Post Comment ] Comment #78 posted by goneposthole on September 13, 2005 at 15:38:30 PT Moon is in Scorpio, Nuevo Not a good time to lecture. Certainly no time to preach.I'll forgive you, though.http://www.mooncatsastrology.com/webpages/moontoday.htm [ Post Comment ] Comment #77 posted by Toker00 on September 13, 2005 at 14:44:19 PT nuevo "It is a one party system, appearing to have two opposing views to sustain the fact that the are one the same side, GET IT! Wake up C-Newsers, if you are still asleep after ALL these years, I'm giving up on Cannabists' for their love of denial. This is not what happens when I partake, so someone needs to upgrade perhaps, schwag may be the cause!"You need to wake YOURSELF up. We here at C-news understand far more than you seem to think. For you to think you are suddenly "waking us up", is so very selfish and down right stupid. Read some of the references posted by us. I'm not defending myself from your trolling, but others here need and deserve to be defended from your attack on their political intelligence. FoM has confessed her innocence of politics. E J tripped you good. Perhaps you could "enlighten" us to all the answers to the questions you think we have no answers for. What do you suggest we do from here oh political guru? And, though it's none of your business, the bud is fine.Wage peace on War. END CANNABIS PROHIBITION NOW! [ Post Comment ] Comment #76 posted by E_Johnson on September 13, 2005 at 14:39:36 PT Now you got me started What did he do when the IOM report came out? He could have read the paragraph where it said that yes, there are some people who don't respond to regular medications whom we can certify need marijuana to stay alive.Then he could have said, "Oh dear taxpayers, I was wrong about medical marijuana. These people are not con artists and addicts pulling a hoax on vulnerable voters. These are people who need our sympathy and support in their struggle against life threatening illness."But he didn't say that. He shut his mouth, he covered his behind, he worked on saving his own skin politically, and the IOM report faded into the background.He chose to trade our lives for his own political gain, and he had all the information he needed to understand what he was doing.I felt so betrayed by his choice. It horrified me. It still breaks my heart to think of it.It also breaks my heart that people still feel loyalty to him, because he's just not a trustworthy, honest, ethical man. [ Post Comment ] Comment #75 posted by E_Johnson on September 13, 2005 at 14:24:02 PT Neuvo how can you be so loyal to them? The Clintons would sacrifice you and me and FoM and everyone else here without a moment's hesitation if it were to their political advantage to do so.I mean, they already proved that. We had such high hopes for the IOM report, and then when it didn't come out the way he hoped it would, Clinton never spoke about it again.I still feel his knife in my back. Don't you? [ Post Comment ] Comment #74 posted by E_Johnson on September 13, 2005 at 14:16:47 PT And also, you're being irrational neuvo It's not defending Bush to predict that Congress will fail to find sufficient reason to impeach him as they believed that found with Clinton.I voted for Clinton twice but I care more about the truth and common sense that I do any political party, and it's the truth that he flashed Paula Jones, it's the truth that he should have settled the stupid case instead of taking it to the point where he ended up being deposed under oath.This comunity knows quite well by the McWilliams and McCormick cases that the Clinton adminitsration had no basoc respect for the truth, they were all about political expediency and rallying the tribes to their own personal barricades.They sacrificed Peter's life and five years plus trauma of Todd's.If the Clintonistas hadn't gone tribal and run to the barricades when Paula Jones crawled out of the woodowrk and had instead acted like responsible civic leaders and took responsibility for Bill flashing his willie to Paula, then think how much better off this country would be today.That's truth over ideology.I've been a Democrat all my life but I will not sacrifice my relationship with truth and common sense for the sake of the party.So bite that off and chew on it, neuvo. [ Post Comment ] Comment #73 posted by E_Johnson on September 13, 2005 at 14:09:03 PT Here's my voting record neuvo I'm defending common sense, and I have no stomach for tribalism.Here is my voting record:Clinton, Clinton, Nader, Kerry.Just because I stand for reason doesn't mean I should have to put up with your tribalistic abuse. [ Post Comment ] Comment #72 posted by FoM on September 13, 2005 at 13:42:03 PT nuevo mexican I'm not into politics so I look at this purely from how I feel. I'm not voting again unless I really feel it might make a difference and it didn't so why should I get upset about what I'm not into? I only voted last November to try to keep Bush out but it didn't work. I'll keep looking at life not thru politics but how I see life if you understand what I'm saying. [ Post Comment ] Comment #71 posted by nuevo mexican on September 13, 2005 at 13:10:56 PT E.J.: Defending bush again! You go girl! Here I go...You must've been one of those jealous of Clinton, judging by the way you will NEVER let go of the Monica/Clinton deal, but overlook all of bushes criminal wrongdoing. I can't stand it when apparently intelligent people reveal the extent of their brainwashing, but you've done yourself well! Is someone glued to the tube? It happens. By default. Remember E.J. the message is the medium, AND the medium Is the message! You must have cable or a dish, or listen to talk radio. Turn it off, and go deep within, and ask yourself why you like George Bush so much more than Bill Clinton. You say you don't and then you basically cancel out your statement, which is it?On the two party duopoly, some of you guys just don't get it, even when Mayan spells it out so that a 4 year old could get it! What's up with that, please re-read his post! And refute his statements with fact, not opinion please. We will all benefit!ON the Dempublican Party:It is a one party system, appearing to have two opposing views to sustain the fact that the are one the same side, GET IT! Wake up C-Newsers, if you are still asleep after ALL these years, I'm giving up on Cannabists' for their love of denial. This is not what happens when I partake, so someone needs to upgrade perhaps, schwag may be the cause!FOM, please re-read Mayans post and explain what you don't understand. It concerns me that you are so willing to overlook the reality of our situation, and I implore you to consider the third-party alternative, now the both parties have exposed themselves as useless, spineless, manipulative, cowardly, (except for a FEW, and that is NOT enough!) and willing to let someone like bush run America into the ground, out of fear of not getting elected.Disgusting, and posters here buy into that? I don't really think so....I'm saddened, dissapointed, discouraged, and looking at non-Americans as the only sane, intelligent, aware, and informed people on the planet! What is there NOT to get, please tell me! Has everyone been blind-sided?Got passport? [ Post Comment ] Comment #70 posted by E_Johnson on September 13, 2005 at 11:51:41 PT Max, Congress let him do it They'd have to impeach themselves at the same time. [ Post Comment ] Comment #69 posted by greenfox on September 13, 2005 at 11:34:40 PT it's crap More stall tactics for growing a plant. [ Post Comment ] Comment #68 posted by Max Flowers on September 13, 2005 at 11:07:40 PT Impeachable offenses E_J, that is pretty decent reasoning, but what about the fact that he launched a war without a congressional declaration of war? That in itself is illegal. Congress is not allowed under the Constitution to transfer war powers to a president. Impeachment does not depend exclusively on being caught telling a lie in a legal proceeding under oath!The president swears under oath when he takes office that he will support and defend the Constitution. He started a war illegally, in violation of the Constitution and without the constitutionally mandatory congressional declaration of war. That is a violation of that oath, and that makes it illegal and therefore, an impeachable offense I would say. Of course I'm not a constitutional lawyer, but I'd love to hear what one would say about that.An excerpt from a piece here http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0808-15.htm says it better than I do:Now Americans and the rest of the world know the truth: that the president took this country to war based on "faulty intelligence." But what does this really mean? It means the country was likely intentionally misled, and this is a prosecutable offense. It is a prosecutable offense because when a president takes the oath of office, he swears to "uphold the Constitution of the United States."Manipulation or deliberate abuse of national security intelligence data is "a high crime" under the Constitution's impeachment clause. It is also a violation of federal criminal law and the anti-conspiracy statute which considers it a felony "to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose. " (end excerpt)I agree 100% with that and personally, I think it's more than worth taking a shot at it, if only a few more of these spineless "representatives" of ours had the stones to do it. [ Post Comment ] Comment #67 posted by JR Bob Dobbs on September 13, 2005 at 10:49:59 PT In other trial news Headline: Joliet woman's sex toy suit goes to trial - Federal court: Plaintiff claims police used her private items for 'own amusement'The full story is at the link below. Short version: Fourteen cops raid mom's house because son is alledgedly selling pot. Son and friends are home at the time; mom is not. Cops handcuff kids, go find mom's sex toys, use them "for their own amusement and left them strewn about the residence". No pot is found. An apology is made to mom and is videotaped by one of her other sons - but then the police raid the house again and take the tape claiming there's supposed to be improper images of an underage girl on the same tape. Mom sues. Go mom! http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/top/JO13_LAWSUIT_S1.htm [ Post Comment ] Comment #66 posted by Hope on September 13, 2005 at 10:11:20 PT sausage and law http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/12/AR2005091200916_pf.html [ Post Comment ] Comment #65 posted by FoM on September 13, 2005 at 09:23:40 PT Constitution Covers Privacy Rights What if we would try to focus on the right to privacy? ***Sept. 13 (Bloomberg) -- John Roberts, the nominee to be U.S. chief justice, told a Senate panel that the Constitution contains a right to privacy, disavowing comments he made as a Reagan administration lawyer in the 1980s. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aogyzpznsUW8&refer=us [ Post Comment ] Comment #64 posted by Hope on September 13, 2005 at 09:22:26 PT Clarity is a wonderful thing... Thanks, E_Johnson. [ Post Comment ] Comment #63 posted by FoM on September 13, 2005 at 09:07:34 PT Thanks EJ That makes perfect sense. [ Post Comment ] Comment #62 posted by E_Johnson on September 13, 2005 at 08:53:28 PT FoM Clinton vs. Bush impeachment Clinton lied under oath during a legal deposition in a court proceeding.That's something easy to take action on, because it's perjury, and there's no ambiguity in whether perjury is a crime.But I think the lies Bush told can't be prosecuted. I don't think it's technicaly a prosecutable offense to lie to the UN or to Congress or to the American people.It's only perjury if you lie under oath during a court proceeding.Surely Bush is a very bad president but that's not an impeachable offense.He's guilty of moral crimes, but has anyone showed that he's guilty of a prosecutable offense like perjury under oath?If they have, then I haven't seen news of it.Clinton was a Rhodes scholar but he did something really stupid by lying under oath.A president cannot be impeached for sexual harassment that occurred before he took office. Clinton committed an impeachable offense to cover up a non-impeachable offense, that was pretty stupid and for that reason I think he deserved what he got.Bush may not have been a Rhodes scholar, but he's crafty like a fox, and I'll bet he's smart enough to avoid giving people a solid legal reason to get rid of him. [ Post Comment ] Comment #61 posted by FoM on September 13, 2005 at 08:53:26 PT runderwo I also think that until campaign finance is seriously reformed that things will stay like they are. Political favors shouldn't be allowed and that would balance it fairly. Each person running should get the same money from a fund but not from corporations. So if I wanted to donate lots of money to one party or the other it shouldn't be known what my issue was that made me give money I think. [ Post Comment ] Comment #60 posted by runderwo on September 13, 2005 at 08:48:01 PT third parties Two parties who oppose each other on moral issues yet both share the goal of increasing the size and scope of government does not leave much of a choice for liberty minded people. In that case, there is no choice but to vote third party. Third parties might get more attention from the average voter if they were allowed to participate in the presidential debates, but unfortunately the commission is controlled by the RNC and DNC and third parties are excluded from the debates almost as a rule.From wikipedia:"In 2004, the Citizens' Debate Commission (CDC) was formed to challenge control by the Democratic and Republican parties and attempt to return the debates to control by an independent, nonpartisan, rather than bipartisan, body. Chief concerns include the CPD's exclusion of third party and independent candidates. This effort was unsuccessful in its first attempt, as the CPD again controlled the 2004 debates." How to get the third party vote out? First step: Abolish the CPD. [ Post Comment ] Comment #59 posted by FoM on September 13, 2005 at 08:15:41 PT If You Want To See Neil Young performing WTNO. Here's the link.http://www.vh1.com/shows/dyn/react_now/series_videos.jhtml [ Post Comment ] Comment #58 posted by FoM on September 13, 2005 at 08:05:13 PT Thanks Mayan and Afterburner I don't believe in third parties because they can throw the election which we've seen. In competition I did over the years I saw that. I judged classes and when I would get to picking third place it was difficult. Did I bump down my first and second pick because third was good in one or two areas. We need two separate parties that will stand against one another. I know that both parties will agree on somethings. It's what I call concessions. I hope this makes sense. Remember I am not into politics so my observations are only from my past experiences in what I did for years. [ Post Comment ] Comment #57 posted by mayan on September 13, 2005 at 07:42:31 PT FoM Imho, the corporate media, which is owned by the same interests that own both the major parties, led the call for Clinton's impeachment. The Republicans knew all along that they didn't have the votes to remove him. Maybe, as I've long suspected, the two parties are really one and they did it to make it look like they are really two seperate parties. Notice how Clinton and Bush Sr. have been touring the world together? Even before Katrina they became good buddies. The RepubliCrats are bound by the CFR and could not have held the third parties at bay for so long without each other's help. How do you divide and conquer(oppress) a people? Give them only two parties that are really just one and keep sticking polarizing issues in their faces. Eisenhower warned us about the military industrial complex but Americans didn't heed his warning. Look who's profitting now!Everything we are seeing is well calculated. The Katrina rsponse "failure", like the 9/11 intelligence "failures" will pave the way for the creation of much more powerful,intrusive government agencies. If the economy collapses due to another "terror attack" they will need all of the power they are currently centralizing just to keep the masses in line. The PNAC agenda represents all of their eggs in one basket and there is no turning back for them. Iran and Syria are sweating right now as they know they are next on the list. Bush,however, will have trouble selling another preemptive invasion to an American public that turns against him and his war in greater numbers every day. The way the Bushies see it, the world's last great reserves of oil are at stake and there is too much money and power to be made (or lost) to abandon PNAC now. They are committed.BTW, if Bush was to be removed,Cheney,Rumsfeld and many others would likely be removed also. Don't count on removal as the Republicans and Democrats in Congress are just as complicit as the White House but it would look real good in the polls if a majority of Americans supported impeachment!That's just my take.The Coming 9/11 for Dummies: http://malakandsky.blogspot.com/2005/08/coming-911-for-dummies.htmlIran Next, by way of Charleston? http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0509/S00071.htm [ Post Comment ] Comment #56 posted by afterburner on September 13, 2005 at 07:05:30 PT Unfortunately that Gave Us Ford The first un-elected president. [ Post Comment ] Comment #55 posted by afterburner on September 13, 2005 at 07:03:35 PT First, Impeach Cheney Then, Impeach BushThat's how the Agnew --> Nixon scenario progressed. [ Post Comment ] Comment #54 posted by FoM on September 13, 2005 at 06:14:46 PT One More Comment Could people be afraid that if Bush was impeached that we would have Cheney and he's more scary then Bush. Who would be next in line after Cheney? [ Post Comment ] Comment #53 posted by FoM on September 13, 2005 at 06:03:49 PT mayan I haven't found news to post so far but I read who is replacing Brown. I don't understand why the push to impeach Bush doesn't seem to be an issue like it was for Clinton. Why is personal morality more important to society then what Bush has done to our country? One contractor we have here said something interesting. He said he has never voted and he is in his mid forties but he said people were jealous of Clinton and the fun he had. Could jealousy be a stronger motive then caring for the people of the USA? I hope that we as a society aren't that narrow minded. [ Post Comment ] Comment #52 posted by mayan on September 13, 2005 at 05:29:35 PT Off Topic Kids from pot houses need help: http://tinyurl.com/94vpyRunderwo, thanks for that brilliant piece by Rep. Paul!Hope, guess who's replacing Brown...Bush puts "duct tape" idiot in charge of FEMA: http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/09/bush-puts-duct-tape-idiot-in-charge-of.htmlSomehow, that's just not very reassuring. We must oust Bush before the entire country is a disaster area!ImpeachBush Mobilizes for Sept. 24 Rally: http://impeachbush.org/ [ Post Comment ] Comment #51 posted by runderwo on September 12, 2005 at 19:12:44 PT Ron Paul on Iraq Have a lot of Ron Paul fans here, thought this would be interesting. here [ Post Comment ] Comment #50 posted by FoM on September 12, 2005 at 18:27:18 PT Siege Thank you. That's really good news. [ Post Comment ] Comment #49 posted by mayan on September 12, 2005 at 18:23:00 PT Go Ed!!! The only reason Ed didn't get more time is likely because the feds didn't want to make a martyr out of him. They made a huge mistake by messing with him anyhow. Ed is going to make the feds look so stupid! It ought to be entertaining! Here's another interesting read...Duty Binds Officers Who Have Gone to Help After Storm: http://copvcia.com/free/ww3/091205_world_stories.shtml#0 [ Post Comment ] Comment #48 posted by FoM on September 12, 2005 at 18:19:18 PT I Agree EJ I know exactly what you mean about Neil Young. I read the Rust List everyday and I have friends on a couple Neil Young message boards. The people that appreciate Neil Young are those that value his values and I admire those values. [ Post Comment ] Comment #47 posted by E_Johnson on September 12, 2005 at 18:02:19 PT He's one of the things I've learned to trust FoM Over the years you learn what to trust and what not to trust. Neil Young can be trusted to always be sincere, deep and heartfelt as an artist.He doesn't reach for the cheap shot or the easy way out in his songs. He's not there just to get his hand in our wallets or to make us want some product. [ Post Comment ] Comment #46 posted by siege on September 12, 2005 at 17:51:09 PT Cannabis against Cancer While there is still no real cure for cancer, every day researchers move a step closer to finding that cure. Twenty-five-year old Natalya Kogan, a Ph.D. candidate at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, working under the supervision of Prof. Raphael Meshulam, recently proved that extract from the cannabis plant is able to help heal cancer within the organism. http://www.israeltoday.co.il/Default.aspx?tabid=128&view=item&idx=657 [ Post Comment ] Comment #45 posted by FoM on September 12, 2005 at 16:34:12 PT Thanks EJ That would be so nice for him. I think he deserves it. Prairie Wind is so good. One song about his father before Alzheimers took a hold of him. And the love song to his children. The song about a old guitar. His father was a sports writer but Neil is a writer but just puts it to music. It's really cool. It's all one song. [ Post Comment ] Comment #44 posted by goneposthole on September 12, 2005 at 16:19:57 PT lighter than normal sentence heavenly days, holy smokes, that scares the bejesus out of the feds. If a grower receives a one-day sentence for growing pot on a large scale, small potatoes quarter-ounce possessors shouldn't even be charged or fined.Amen. That's just great.Reefer time."3 kinds of people: Those who can count, and those who can't." http://www.indigo.org/quotes.html [ Post Comment ] Comment #43 posted by E_Johnson on September 12, 2005 at 15:53:45 PT FoM you might like to hear this Roger Friedman, the entertainment reporter at Fox News, predicts that Neil Young will get a Grammy nomination for Best New Song for "Prairie Wind". [ Post Comment ] Comment #42 posted by FoM on September 12, 2005 at 15:51:48 PT That's Right I have tried all different ways in life and I've found that is the only way to stay content no matter what.Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. [ Post Comment ] Comment #41 posted by Hope on September 12, 2005 at 15:26:10 PT The last part of Romans 12 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord. On the contrary: "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head."Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. [ Post Comment ] Comment #40 posted by Hope on September 12, 2005 at 15:23:03 PT Listening to Epistles of Paul to the Romans Romans 12 speaks to today so much...especially at the last. I guess Bush and Co. never heard of it. Of course he may be one of those that discount the epistles of Paul to the Romans...and everyone else. [ Post Comment ] Comment #39 posted by FoM on September 12, 2005 at 13:56:39 PT Los Angeles It seems that it was an accident. Some areas are getting power back so it should be ok. That's good. [ Post Comment ] Comment #38 posted by Hope on September 12, 2005 at 13:40:24 PT Oh Lord. Have mercy.If it be your will. [ Post Comment ] Comment #37 posted by FoM on September 12, 2005 at 13:12:11 PT About Los Angeles They just said on the news that power outages are occuring in some places in LA. I wonder why. [ Post Comment ] Comment #36 posted by FoM on September 12, 2005 at 12:55:57 PT Hope Thank you. I try real hard to make them proud even though they aren't here anymore. [ Post Comment ] Comment #35 posted by Hope on September 12, 2005 at 12:52:26 PT Haunting fear and worrying make for a hard life.She seems to have managed to raise a fine daughter. A fine legacy for anyone. [ Post Comment ] Comment #34 posted by FoM on September 12, 2005 at 12:40:59 PT Hope It was bad so she didn't talk about it much at all. I never met any of her family except my grandmother that lived with us until she died. My mom was 40 when I was born and my grandmother was 80. Lots of years were lost for me. [ Post Comment ] Comment #33 posted by Hope on September 12, 2005 at 12:40:30 PT That photo in comment 1 They are, certainly, some of the "Brave and the Strong" sang of in the Flood ballad. [ Post Comment ] Comment #32 posted by Hope on September 12, 2005 at 12:37:02 PT "coal miners daughter in West Virginia" Her life would, likely, very likely, be fraught with tragedy and haunting fear. [ Post Comment ] Comment #31 posted by Hope on September 12, 2005 at 12:33:21 PT Eisley Make that Isley. I fear I'm mispelling a lot of names today. [ Post Comment ] Comment #30 posted by FoM on September 12, 2005 at 12:19:55 PT My Mom Was born and raised a coal miners daughter in West Virginia but she was glad when she met my father and she got out of there and never mentioned her family often. Her father took his own life and a brother did too and she didn't like being one of nine children. I often wonder where my relatives are but she didn't tell any of us so we'll never know. [ Post Comment ] Comment #29 posted by Hope on September 12, 2005 at 12:18:22 PT I believe I'll listen to the Eisley Brothers encourage us to "Shout"...a little while now. [ Post Comment ] Comment #28 posted by Hope on September 12, 2005 at 12:16:43 PT back in '57 we didn't know much. I guess.I didn't know or don't remember knowing about it. [ Post Comment ] Comment #27 posted by Hope on September 12, 2005 at 12:15:23 PT Three times in a row ...that is. I've been listening to it off and on all week. [ Post Comment ] Comment #26 posted by Hope on September 12, 2005 at 12:14:35 PT In remembrance of the fallen I can listen to that no more than three times. It's hard. [ Post Comment ] Comment #25 posted by FoM on September 12, 2005 at 12:11:26 PT Hope I didn't even know there was a flood back in 57. [ Post Comment ] Comment #24 posted by Hope on September 12, 2005 at 12:09:51 PT Souls I don't know about you, but I can feel my soul when I listen to that song. It aches. [ Post Comment ] Comment #23 posted by Hope on September 12, 2005 at 12:04:44 PT oops Go to this site and download "Flood"http://www.blueridgeinstitute.org/ballads/floodsong.html [ Post Comment ] Comment #22 posted by Hope on September 12, 2005 at 12:03:57 PT Mike Brown just resigned. [ Post Comment ] Comment #21 posted by Hope on September 12, 2005 at 12:02:48 PT Flood Go to this site and scroll down a bit and load and listen to the song called "Flood". [ Post Comment ] Comment #20 posted by FoM on September 12, 2005 at 11:32:48 PT Hope Something good is going to happen over this terrible event. I love all our people in the USA as you know. Maybe some of the prejudice and hate will desolve away as we bind together. Maybe besides me just loving Neil Young that this song means so much to me. He is a Canadian but lives in northern California. He has a black group of singers on his new album and performing with him at the benefit concert. I hope and pray I'm right. [ Post Comment ] Comment #19 posted by Hope on September 12, 2005 at 11:24:13 PT Speaking of WTNO or perhaps "from" On my way into town this morning I saw a peculiarlity for Northeast Texas. A Gulf Coast Checkered Cab pulled off in front of me on to one of our rural county roads. [ Post Comment ] Comment #18 posted by FoM on September 12, 2005 at 11:08:32 PT Hope I know what you mean. I have my headphones on listening to WTNO and have the tv on but the sound muted because I don't want to see what's on. I've been making a copy for the contractors of a few songs. They were up on the roof and I cranked WTNO up and they said it sent chills down their spine. Oh for simplier days. Well not really. LOL! [ Post Comment ] Comment #17 posted by Hope on September 12, 2005 at 11:03:59 PT Perhaps that deprived should be "deprived"...because that was occasionally the complaint of a couple of them. Mostly they learned to appreciate music, reading, conversation, drawing, planning and actually playing, playing at getting ready for life, instead of watching it flicker by on a screen and creating dreams other than the needs tv commercials inspired in them. [ Post Comment ] Comment #16 posted by FoM on September 12, 2005 at 11:00:08 PT Hope Wow you bring back a lot of memories. I don't know when we got a tv but it wasn't watched much. We just were always doing something but not watching tv. I guess I just dreamt about horses. LOL! [ Post Comment ] Comment #15 posted by Hope on September 12, 2005 at 10:55:21 PT That radio and the one in the car. We didn't have a television of our own until I was about seven.I purposely deprived my children of as much TV as other children seemed to watch. [ Post Comment ] Comment #14 posted by FoM on September 12, 2005 at 10:38:06 PT Hope I don't remember how I heard his music but it must have been on a radio that my parents had since I didn't even have a radio. I was too young.I too wish Ed good luck. [ Post Comment ] Comment #13 posted by Hope on September 12, 2005 at 10:31:18 PT Mom I had an early rock and roll mom. I grew up listening to Fats, Little Richard, Elvis, and Jerry Lee from a plastic radio atop the refrigerator. Also listened to Johnny Cash, Johnny Horton on the Louisana Hayride and The Grand Ole Opry on that radio...as well as radio soap operas.Back on topic. I wish Mr. Rosenthal well. [ Post Comment ] Comment #12 posted by FoM on September 12, 2005 at 10:22:35 PT Here is His Greatest Hits http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005YW4I/qid=1126545885/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-0324021-5848908?v=glance&s=music&n=507846 [ Post Comment ] Comment #11 posted by FoM on September 12, 2005 at 10:19:42 PT Hope They might release the best of Fats Domino if there isn't a best yet. [ Post Comment ] Comment #10 posted by FoM on September 12, 2005 at 10:18:27 PT Hope It makes me want to stroll. Remember strolling. [ Post Comment ] Comment #9 posted by Hope on September 12, 2005 at 10:17:46 PT Mr. Domino I'd say it would soon be a very good time to re-release a collection of his "best" or a "complete collection".He looked so good in a picture I saw of him in a car a few days ago. He looked very healthy and well. [ Post Comment ] Comment #8 posted by FoM on September 12, 2005 at 10:09:53 PT Hope At the close of the 4 hour concert Neil Young and the Fisk Jubilee Singers ended the show with Fats Domino's Walking To New Orleans. You can downloaded it here. It was beautiful and I know Fats Domino will need money and because Neil Young sang it he will get good royalities I believe. Here's the link and it's at the top of this page.http://www.thesongdog.de/rust.php?cont=sound [ Post Comment ] Comment #7 posted by Hope on September 12, 2005 at 09:56:35 PT And... such a lovely handshake. He had nice hands...or a nice hand...the one I shook. [ Post Comment ] Comment #6 posted by Hope on September 12, 2005 at 09:54:12 PT Antoine He was very much more an "Antoine" than a "Fats". He was so sweet. He was a "sugar man"...though he never touched me other than to shake hands. [ Post Comment ] Comment #5 posted by Hope on September 12, 2005 at 09:51:53 PT Antoine? Sorry. He was "wonderful sweet" though. [ Post Comment ] Comment #4 posted by Hope on September 12, 2005 at 09:50:27 PT Fats Antone Domino I actually had the honor of meeting him. He was so wonderful sweet. [ Post Comment ] Comment #3 posted by Hope on September 12, 2005 at 09:49:11 PT "Walkin to New Awlens" Are you listen on your computer? If so...where?(I can almost hear it in my mind.) [ Post Comment ] Comment #2 posted by FoM on September 12, 2005 at 09:36:33 PT Hope Thank you. God Bless those men. I don't know about you but I am so upset and sad by this disaster. I keep playing Walking To New Orleans and I'm not sure if it makes me feel better or more upset but I love it none the same. [ Post Comment ] Comment #1 posted by Hope on September 12, 2005 at 09:32:10 PT Completely off topic Faces interest me. Looking at news this morning I found this photograph, I wanted to share with you.http://apnews.myway.com/image/20050911/HURRICANE_KATRINA.sff_LACS123_20050911195547.html?date=20050912&docid=D8CIM1K80 [ Post Comment ] Post Comment