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  Feel The Hate

Posted by CN Staff on September 04, 2004 at 12:46:15 PT
By Paul Krugman  
Source: New York Times  

I don't know where George Soros gets his money," one man said. "I don't know where - if it comes from overseas or from drug groups or where it comes from." George Soros, another declared, "wants to spend $75 million defeating George W. Bush because Soros wants to legalize heroin." After all, a third said, Mr. Soros "is a self-admitted atheist; he was a Jew who figured out a way to survive the Holocaust."They aren't LaRouchies - they're Republicans.
The suggestion that Mr. Soros, who has spent billions promoting democracy around the world, is in the pay of drug cartels came from Dennis Hastert, the speaker of the House, whom the Constitution puts two heartbeats from the presidency. After standing by his remarks for several days, Mr. Hastert finally claimed that he was talking about how Mr. Soros spends his money, not where he gets it. The claim that Mr. Soros's political spending is driven by his desire to legalize heroin came from Newt Gingrich. And the bit about the Holocaust came from Tony Blankley, editorial page editor of The Washington Times, which has become the administration's de facto house organ.For many months we've been warned by tut-tutting commentators about the evils of irrational "Bush hatred." Pundits eagerly scanned the Democratic convention for the disease; some invented examples when they failed to find it. Then they waited eagerly for outrageous behavior by demonstrators in New York, only to be disappointed again.There was plenty of hatred in Manhattan, but it was inside, not outside, Madison Square Garden.Barack Obama, who gave the Democratic keynote address, delivered a message of uplift and hope. Zell Miller, who gave the Republican keynote, declared that political opposition is treason: "Now, at the same time young Americans are dying in the sands of Iraq and the mountains of Afghanistan, our nation is being torn apart and made weaker because of the Democrats' manic obsession to bring down our commander in chief." And the crowd roared its approval.Why are the Republicans so angry? One reason is that they have nothing positive to run on (during the first three days, Mr. Bush was mentioned far less often than John Kerry).The promised economic boom hasn't materialized, Iraq is a bloody quagmire, and Osama bin Laden has gone from "dead or alive" to he-who-must-not-be-named.Another reason, I'm sure, is a guilty conscience. At some level the people at that convention know that their designated hero is a man who never in his life took a risk or made a sacrifice for his country, and that they are impugning the patriotism of men who have.That's why Band-Aids with Purple Hearts on them, mocking Mr. Kerry's war wounds and medals, have been such a hit with conventioneers, and why senior politicians are attracted to wild conspiracy theories about Mr. Soros.It's also why Mr. Hastert, who knows how little the Bush administration has done to protect New York and help it rebuild, has accused the city of an "unseemly scramble" for cash after 9/11. Nothing makes you hate people as much as knowing in your heart that you are in the wrong and they are in the right.But the vitriol also reflects the fact that many of the people at that convention, for all their flag-waving, hate America. They want a controlled, monolithic society; they fear and loathe our nation's freedom, diversity and complexity.The convention opened with an invocation by Sheri Dew, a Mormon publisher and activist. Early rumors were that the invocation would be given by Jerry Falwell, who suggested just after 9/11 that the attack was God's punishment for the activities of the A.C.L.U. and People for the American Way, among others. But Ms. Dew is no more moderate: earlier this year she likened opposition to gay marriage to opposition to Hitler.The party made sure to put social moderates like Rudy Giuliani in front of the cameras. But in private events, the story was different. For example, Senator Sam Brownback of Kansas told Republicans that we are in a "culture war" and urged a reduction in the separation of church and state.Mr. Bush, it's now clear, intends to run a campaign based on fear. And for me, at least, it's working: thinking about what these people will do if they solidify their grip on power makes me very, very afraid. Source: New York Times (NY)Author: Paul Krugman Published: September 3, 2004Copyright: 2004 The New York TimesContact: letters nytimes.com Website: http://www.nytimes.com/Related Articles & Web Sites:Soros Foundation Networkhttp://www.soros.org/Drug Policy Alliancehttp://www.drugpolicy.org/No Knockdowns Yet in Soros vs. Hasterthttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread19434.shtmlSoros Blasts Hastert Over Drug Allegation http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread19418.shtmlSoros Takes UN To Task on Drugshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread16167.shtml 

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Comment #47 posted by FoM on September 09, 2004 at 16:28:42 PT
Unedited E-Mail from a Soldier in Iraq
I mentioned that I know someone who has a friend that was in a bad situation in Iraq. I asked permission to post his email. I did not fix anything or change anything. This is how it was sent. His name is Marc. Here it is.***Well, I thought i'd let you all read this email we received from our buddy Marc, its pretty graphic, but this is the latest that I can share with you all and it tells a story no one wants to hear.Ok, I don't know what you all heard on the news but here's the story, first off I don't know how I'm still alive but there must be a reason that I haven't figured out yet! 10 of us were making a little secure compound that we could keep our loaded vehicles in so we wouldn't have to break them down everyday,which takes an hour!. we were in the camp and out of no where the loudest screach came flying 20 feet over my head1/4 of a second later KOBOOM. a 122mm anti-personal rocket had hit an excavator 20 feet from me, I froze like it was a movie! not for long though, before I knew it the concution knocked me on my ass, but on the way down 4 ofmy buddies 15 feet to my left weren't so lucky. the excavator became a huge pile of steel schrapnel and everyone of them were showered. 1 took a piece in the arm and cut all nerves and tendons, another took a piece in the back through the shoulder blade, the doctor said it was the biggest piece he's ever taken out of someone still alive, the 3rd took 1 in both legs and there not sure if he'll ever walk again, the last ( don't read any more if you cant handle gore) he was about 135 lbs and he caught the biggest piece, it tore through him like butter, I watched him fly about 20 feet through the air with everything just flying out of his chest, I mean everything. I took cover immediately until I snapped out of this nightmare, then ran over to the pile of people on the ground, I looked at the little guy convulsing on the ground and saw his heart hanging out and realized there was nothing I could do for him, then I helped one of the others to the doctors office. when all the mess was done we had 1 dead SW3 KNOTT one of my friends for the past 3 years. I didn't even know how to cry for him I was and am still in shock. as for the others they'll recover, my problem is is that my hearing could be permanently damaged, doc said that my ear drums were bleeding but it wasn't the worst case he's seen. I don't care about 100% recovery because I'm getting pretty good at reading lips,but it would still be nice to get better. I went and looked at the impact sight and tried to figure out how I walked away, I was the closest but not hurt, I was standing on the side of a D-8 bulldozer that stopped everything, i walked around to the other side and dropped to my knee's crying it was destroyed, steel went through 1 inch of steel in places all over that thing, all I can do is imagine if I had passed and it's scary, now I'm a jumpy little kid every time there's incoming I'm off and running and it dosen't even matter cause there's no escaping it if it's your time. I've just made it past the 1 month mark and this shit's already happened, I've been told I'll be recieving a purple heart and another combat action ribbon, but it's just not worth it! anyway's I'm alive and I'll always love you all no matter what happens! so i'll be calling home again soon, but if craig could call my dad and read this to him I'd appreciate it. alright gotta go but can't wait to chat love,Marc
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Comment #46 posted by Hope on September 07, 2004 at 20:09:02 PT
"Im not sure if this is important"
Oh no. Not Sun Myung Moon again.
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Comment #45 posted by FoM on September 07, 2004 at 09:12:48 PT
I'm Not Sure If This Is Important
I thought some might want to check this article out. Mysterious Republican Money: http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/090704.html
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Comment #44 posted by FoM on September 06, 2004 at 20:54:02 PT
Hope
I'm glad you liked it. I think he is funny. He's so hot headed or something. He's very smart too. Political shows are fun to watch. I take them all with a grain of salt. Maybe they need a disclaimer at the bottom on the shows that says.Strickly for entertainment purposes only! LOL!
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Comment #43 posted by ekim on September 06, 2004 at 20:40:45 PT
what chu talken about willis
Max what was on that flick. what did happen to the flight if it did not met that end.
http://www.leap.cc/events
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Comment #42 posted by Hope on September 06, 2004 at 18:25:45 PT
Did you do good?
Yes...you did. I can just hear his "What?"He is a character and can be very entertaining for a politico.
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Comment #41 posted by FoM on September 06, 2004 at 16:23:29 PT
Hope
I'm glad you liked it! Let me see if I can remember how Carville would say something. I'm making these up.***What! What century are you coming from?Folks listen did you here what he said? Can you believe it!Unbelievable! Just unbelievable! ***Did I do good calling him a sassy dude? LOL!
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Comment #40 posted by Hope on September 06, 2004 at 15:48:21 PT

Never...in my life
have I heard anyone described as a "sassy" dude.That's hilareous. Carville is pretty undescribable. Sassy dude. That's so funny.
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Comment #39 posted by FoM on September 06, 2004 at 12:22:25 PT

Virgil 
Thank you for the article from the New York Times about Clinton talking to Kerry. It was very good. The northern democrat meets the southern democrat. It really must have been an interesting conversation. The fact that Clinton was facing serious heart surgery had to help break any ice that has been between them. I'm glad to read Carville is going to help Kerry. He's one sassy dude! LOL!
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Comment #38 posted by Max Flowers on September 06, 2004 at 10:27:51 PT

unkat27 - Pentagon fraud
That video was good, maybe that will finally get people talking. I knew from day one that the story (that a Boeing 757 had crashed into the Pentagon) was BS as soon as I saw the crash site photos.These creeps think we are all so stupid, that we don't have the slightest grip on the laws of physics. Well they are right about a whole lot of citizens, but they're wrong about an awful lot of them too. Their gamble is that enough of the gullible type believe it and make the rest of us look like conspiracy theorist nut-jobs. In the end, they are going to lose this gamble.It's the highest order of treason, a criminal fraud of the highest order and a grave insult to the intelligence of all Americans capable of critical thinking.And I'd like to add that all these FBI agents and other feds who participated in confiscating and concealing critical video evidence from the Amercian people are traitors too. Anyone who played a part in this heinous cover-up should pay dearly for their treachery. Bastards!!
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Comment #37 posted by unkat27 on September 05, 2004 at 21:52:08 PT

Repugs: They cover it with BS
Reading this article just reminded me how the repugs manage to evade the most controversial issues with BS; the more you press the issue, the more BS they cover it with. Which reminds me of the 9/11 Pentagon Strike and a really great link that i want to share with ya'll. This is a must-see for everyone that knows or suspects the Bush repugs are covering up one of the biggest conspiracies the world has ever known. It takes from 3 to 5 minutes to download (3052k) but it is well worth the wait. 
The Pentagon Strike
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Comment #36 posted by FoM on September 05, 2004 at 21:04:43 PT

ekim
Thank you. That was very hard to read.
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Comment #35 posted by ekim on September 05, 2004 at 20:43:21 PT

draft needed to keep US honest
as it was Kerry who came back and said something was rotten in VN out of all those humans that took part in Abo grey only one lonely runt stood up -- we need more guys drafted to stand up when something is rotten instead of going a long with every thing some one it telling them to do with out ever thinking about the whole. 
i wonder why Nader was never attacked by the GOP for fronting for the drug lords or Dennis as both are sayen what Soros has been sayen for quite some time. i will see Edwards on Mon in Kalamazoo and will have a sign that asks John to defend Soros just like he was a common man being lied about.
 
 To Whom it May Concern,   I found out that my brother, Sergeant Ryan M. Campbell, was dead during a graduate seminar at Emory University on April 29, 2004. Immediately after a uniformed officer knocked at my mother's door to deliver the message that broke her heart, she called me on my cell phone. She could say nothing but "He's gone." I could say nothing but "No." Over and over again we chanted this refrain to each other over the phone as I made my way across the country to hold her as she wept.   I had made the very same trip in February, cutting classes to spend my brother's two weeks' leave from Baghdad with him. Little did I know then that the next time I saw him would be at Arlington National Cemetery. During those days in February, my brother shared with me his fear, his disillusionment, and his anger. "We had all been led to believe that Iraq posed a serious threat to America as well as its surrounding nations," he said. "We invaded expecting to find weapons of mass destruction and a much more prepared and well-trained Republican Guard waiting for us. It is now a year later, and alas, no weapons of mass destruction or any other real threat, for that matter."   Ryan was scheduled to complete his one-year assignment to Iraq on April 25. But on April 11, he emailed me to let me know not to expect him in Atlanta for a May visit, because his tour of duty had been involuntarily extended. "Just do me one big favor, ok?" he wrote. "Don't vote for Bush. No. Just don't do it. I would not be happy with you."   Last night, I listened to George W. Bush's live, televised speech at the Republican National Convention. He spoke to me and my family when he announced, "I have met with parents and wives and husbands who have received a folded flag, and said a final goodbye to a soldier they loved. I am awed that so many have used those meetings to say that I am in their prayers and to offer encouragement to me. Where does strength like that come from? How can people so burdened with sorrow also feel such pride? It is because they know their loved one was last seen doing good. Because they know that liberty was precious to the one they lost. And in those military families, I have seen the character of a great nation: decent, and idealistic, and strong."   This is my reply: Mr. President, I know that you probably still "don't do body counts," so you may not know that almost one thousand U.S. troops have died doing what you told them they had to do to protect America. Ryan was Number 832. Liberty was, indeed, precious to the one I lost-- so precious that he would rather have gone to prison than back to Iraq in February. Like you, I don't know where the strength for "such pride" on the part of people "so burdened with sorrow" comes from; maybe I spent it all holding my mother as she wept. I last saw my loved one at the Kansas City airport, staring after me as I walked away. I could see April 29 written on his sad, sand-chapped and sunburned face. I could see that he desperately wanted to believe that if he died, it would be while "doing good," as you put it. He wanted us to be able to be proud of him. Mr. President, you gave me and my mother a folded flag instead of the beautiful boy who called us "Moms" and "Brookster." But worse than that, you sold my little brother a bill of goods. Not only did you cheat him of a long meaningful life, but you cheated him of a meaningful death. You are in my prayers, Mr. President, because I think that you need them more than anyone on the face of the planet. But you will never get my vote.   So to whom it may concern: Don't vote for Bush. No. Just don't do it. I would not be happy with you.   Sincerely, 
  Brooke M. Campbell 
  Atlanta, GA   Kirksville, Missouri - A soldier from northeast Missouri was among eight killed April 29, 2004, in a car bombing in Iraq, the U.S. Department of Defense said Monday.   Sergeant Ryan M. Campbell, 25, of Kirksville, was a member of the Army's 4th Battalion, 27th Field Artillery Regiment, 1st Armored Division.   The soldiers were removing roadside bombs from a highway south of Baghdad. Campbell's mother, Mary Ann MacCombie of Kirksville, said the unit intercepted a station wagon crammed with 500 pounds of ammunition, and the driver detonated an explosive.   Campbell was stationed in Germany before he was sent to Iraq. He originally had been expected to return to the United States in April, but his duty in Iraq was extended three months.   "He's supposed to be home now," said MacCombie, recalling that her son called twice Wednesday, a day before he died. "His last words were, 'I'll be back in July.'"   Campbell joined the National Guard along with his best friend, Brendan McEvoy, several years ago. The pair enlisted in the Army in February 2002.   MacCombie said Campbell was an avid outdoorsman and a talented drummer who tried to assemble a band during his time in Germany. He graduated from Truman State University in Kirksville and planned to attend graduate school after completing his military service.   A memorial service will be Friday at Mary Immaculate Catholic Church in Kirksville. A specific time has not been set. Campbell will be buried at Arlington National Cemetery.   Other soldiers killed in the attack were Staff Sergeant Esau G. Patterson Jr., 25, of Ridgeland, South Carolina; Staff Sergeant Jeffrey F. Dayton, 27, of Caledonia, Mississippi; Specialist James L. Beckstrand, 27, of Escondido, California; Specialist Justin B. Schmidt, 23, of Bradenton, Florida; Private First Class Ryan E. Reed, 20, of Colorado Springs, Colorado; Private First Class Norman Darling, 29, of Middleboro, Massachusetts; and Private First Class Jeremy Ricardo Ewing, 22, of Miami, Florida. 

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Comment #34 posted by Virgil on September 05, 2004 at 20:33:37 PT

It must be fit to print
The Clinton conversation with Kerry is on the front screen of the NYT website- http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/06/politics/campaign/06kerry.html?hp
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Comment #33 posted by FoM on September 05, 2004 at 20:02:04 PT

Virgil
I didn't know that Clinton talked to Kerry today. I think that Vietnam is a good thing to know about so we don't make the same mistakes. The ads by Swift Boat Veterans was nasty and stirred up anger with a friend of my husbands. His friend ( Vietnam Vet ) is a Democrat but will vote for Bush because of those ads. The ads hurt. They hurt people who aren't online or if they are online they aren't using the Internet to learn what is happening in the world but for some other reason. Kerry needs to dazzle people like Bush dazzled people when he spoke at the RNC. I can't believe how good his speech sounded. I also know the war could expand into Iran and other countries.
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Comment #32 posted by Virgil on September 05, 2004 at 19:48:06 PT

An example of ignorance
I was talking to this guy in his 40s that a teenage son. I mentioned the "impending draft" and he freaked out. The move to fill the vacancies in the draft board began last year. It is an example of not talking about issues and shows the dwelling on Vietnam the stupidity that it is. Kerry had a 90 minute conversation with Clinton in his hospital bed phone. Clinton told him to drop Vietnam and talk health care and economy.People have no idea that the PNACers have every intention of warring on Iran. Iran is going ahead with refining nuclear material and Israel says it will act alone.Anyway, the issue of the stop-loss orders are now before the courts as it is regarded as a draft already by many. Kerry calls for more troops in Iraq, but he wants to move people from desk jobs to actual killing and not have a draft. In other words his crappy idea will result in a draft anyway. It will not be like Vietnam. What is scary about the present situation is they will draft for skills like computer knowledge and health care professionals at least up to the age of 34. It is another thing being ignored like the national debt crossing $25,000 for every man, woman, and child in the country.That is what gets me about tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts. Spending is what taxes us. Tax collections might be lowered and tax financing increased, but Bush has blown the lid off taxing us, while claiming to lower taxes. Ending the drug war would cut our taxes.
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Comment #31 posted by FoM on September 05, 2004 at 19:29:52 PT

Virgil
I'm watching a special on The Discovery Times Channel called: Battlefield Vietnam. The soldiers never knew their enemy and bad things happened because of it. The same thing is happening in Iraq. You don't know who is your friend. How can a war be won when there's no way of knowing who you are fighting? It's like punching the wind but with a terrible consequence. If the war escalates the draft will have to return unless we just want the soldiers that are stuck in Iraq to stay there forever. Me and logic it drives me crazy sometimes but it's the truth. The longer the war goes on the more possibilities the draft will come back. This is why war is so wrong. No one wins.
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Comment #30 posted by Virgil on September 05, 2004 at 19:16:21 PT

A little bull
The Spanish Inquisition ended because of a huge earthquake that people took as a message from God. I wonder what the people of Florida think now that Francis outdid Charlie and what the Republican fundaMentalist might think if Ivan wraths on them?Zogby's latest telephone poll ending September 2, Bush is up by 2 points with 9 percent undecided. But remember Dewey and Truman, where telephone polls indicated Dewey the winner. They kind of forgot that people without telephones vote to. The same is true here and people working two jobs might not be reachable- http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=857. They only talked to 1001 people and it does not account for a state by state breakdown where a landslide in Texas is no better than squeaking victory. Bush is no shoe in and if the Dims would harp on the draft, people would fear for their children and the children would not be happy either.

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Comment #29 posted by FoM on September 05, 2004 at 18:47:20 PT

Virgil
You said: The drug war is a big issue and its silence in this election totally pisses off a bunch of people. I agree!It sure has me upset and yes Kerry needs to do something about it.
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Comment #28 posted by Virgil on September 05, 2004 at 18:42:51 PT

?- What if Kerry called for legalization?
The Dims were confident that they could landslide the worst president ever. I think Kerry thought that Bush being the most hated president ever made him a shoe in. He could taste the Presidency. He knows it is in his power to win (and I personally do not believe the polls.)There will have to be a change in tactics as the election decisions are being made. If Kerry sees the ship sinking, do you not think he might jetison the absurd, corrupt, inhumae, and mean-spirited policy on MMJ to reach some of the 4 in 5 that might take it to heart and support someone that came a little bit clean on the federal fraud?The drug war is a big issue and its silence in this election totally pisses off a bunch of people. It is a great hypothetical question- What would reclassifying cannabis on an intellectual level do for Kerry in this election? To hold the present position makes him out a complete liar to a knowledgable mind.
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Comment #27 posted by FoM on September 05, 2004 at 18:12:21 PT

One of The Ads Moveonamerica.org Will Air
I hope the people responsible for making the tv ads for Kerry have something good in the works.***Later ads will feature John Kerry’s raising political funds from known leaders of the Cali drug cartel, as well as other unethical [and possibly criminal] behavior by Kerry regarding his finances when he was dead broke between his two marriages. http://moveonforamerica.org/
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Comment #26 posted by FoM on September 05, 2004 at 13:53:53 PT

BGreen
Thanks and I know he will be ok being deaf. It just is very sad when a young life is changed dramatically. The person is happy he's alive but angry because this war in Iraq should have never happened.
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Comment #25 posted by BGreen on September 05, 2004 at 13:33:26 PT

I Understand How You Feel, FoM
We're sending whole men and women to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan and getting back the dead and pieces of others.As this administration has said through rumsfeld, "war is untidy."The blithering idiot rumsfeld is considered a true patriot.Those of us who think the war and all of it's killing and maiming is wrong are considered unpatriotic.BTW FoM, my brother in law and his wife are deaf and they live a great life with their brand new baby girl. As hard as it is that young man needs to rejoice that his friend is still alive.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #24 posted by FoM on September 05, 2004 at 13:18:04 PT

BGreen
I go to a board that is for Neil Young fans. It isn't a political board but a board to talk about Neil Young's music and other musician's music too. I just checked in and one of the regulars had bad news to report. They have been making and sending care packages to a friend who is in Iraq. He was caught in mortar fire and a few men were killed and he can't hear anymore. Needless to say the friend is so angry and it made me angry too and I thought you'd appreciate me sharing it.
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Comment #23 posted by FoM on September 05, 2004 at 11:41:21 PT

Thanks BGreen I Needed To Hear That!
I understand totally what you are saying. It makes me want to cry. I want to go to Teresa Kerry's home and shout we love you. Don't get sick. I'm in a very sad mood today. 
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Comment #22 posted by BGreen on September 05, 2004 at 11:36:36 PT

We Haven't Lost, FoM!
Fahrenheit 9/11 will be released on Oct. 5 and that is going to make a big difference because millions more people will get to see it and all of the up-to-date information Michael Moore is going to include.The polls don't mean SQUAT! According to Michael Moore, the pollsters slant the polls because of the definition they apply to "likely voters."Michael Moore stated that "likely voters" only include those registered voters who not only plan to vote in this presidential election, but also voted in the previous TWO presidential elections!Think of how many young people are excluded from these polls. Think of how many Americans living over seas and military personnel (if they don't take away their secret ballot rights) are voting against bush.The AP reported today that at least five different records of the shrub's military service are themselves AWOL.This election isn't over by any means.I don't usually like to use Bible quotes because of how it puts some people off, but I believe there's only one reason why somebody can commit so much evil in the name of the Holy God, and I believe it's because George W. Bush has been empowered by the second most powerful entity in existence.EPHESIANS 6:10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. [11] Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. [12] For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.Battle on, brothers and sisters.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #21 posted by FoM on September 05, 2004 at 11:09:25 PT

Just a Comment
I know that Bush will probably be with us for 4 more years. I am very depressed about it too. I won't quit doing news but it will be an uphill battle like we haven't seen in these last 4 years. He will be empowered and life as we know it will never be the same. That's why I am discouraged. I understand Hawks and Doves now more then ever. 
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Comment #20 posted by Virgil on September 05, 2004 at 09:43:28 PT

Zell Miller at Top Ten Conservative Idiots
All that follows this introduction is under Zell Miller for Wednesday (of the Republican National Embarassment) at http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/ (#169) It was pretty clear to anyone who saw all those "W" signs being waved around inside Madison Square Garden that when it comes to the Republican National Convention, "W" stands for "White." But on Wednesday night, "W" also stood for "Wild-eyed," "Wacko," "Whoa, Nellie," and "Whee! I've lost my mind!" Yes, Zell Miller's keynote speech was by far the nuttiest political act since Pat Buchanan's infamous "culture war" meltdown during the 1992 Republican Convention. You could almost see the steam rising from his collar. Lest we forget, Zell got his start in politics polishing Lester Maddox's axe-handles, and has spent the last forty years seething as the Democratic party moved slowly and inexorably towards progressive policies of inclusion, tolerance and liberty. On Wednesday night the lid came off the pressure cooker and Zell took out four decades of frustration on the party that left him by the wayside a long time ago. It's really a shame that the content of Zell's speech was so misinformed, since he delivered it with such, uh, fervor. After reaching new heights of nonsensical demagoguery by suggesting that opposing George W. Bush is practically treasonous, and saying that Kerry would defend America with "spitballs," Zell went into specifics - but from the way he read off a long list of weapons systems that John Kerry voted against, you'd never know that the weapons systems were, according to the Washington Post, "mostly derived from a single Kerry vote against a spending bill in 1991, rather than individual votes against particular systems." Not to mention the fact that "The bill was also opposed by five Republican senators at the time, and Cheney, who was defense secretary then, was demanding even deeper cuts in defense spending by Congress." (In case you were wondering, yes, that's Dick Cheney, the guy who just happened to be speaking after Zell.) Miller also lambasted Democrats for referring to the ongoing conflict in Iraq as an "occupation" rather than a "liberation." But when it was later pointed out to him that George W. Bush has also referred to it as an occupation on multiple occasions, he said, "Well, I don't know about that." Really? Then why did you give a speech where it was one of the central themes of your criticism of the Democrats? How odd! But to be fair, pointing out the gigantic hypocrisies in the content of Zell's speech doesn't really do justice to the manner in which he delivered it. Considering the lengths the GOP went to to hide their nutjobs behind a wall of "compassionate conservatism" during the first two nights of the Convention, it was somewhat unnerving to see Zell Miller's clenched fists and popping eyeballs as he danced on the grave of the politics of hope. Let's see what the pundits thought of his performance:  "I wonder if it was smart to have him out there in such a hot fashion" - George Stephanopoulos  "He looked angry" - Mara Liasson  "Miller went over the line into demagoguery" - Mort Kondracke  "I've never heard such an angry speech" - Bill Schneider  "I don't think I've ever seen anything as angry and ugly as Miller's speech" - Joe Klein  Miller "looked like a spouse at a divorce proceeding who says, 'Oh yeah, she's a child molester too'" - John HarwoodRave reviews for a raving lunatic.

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Comment #19 posted by FoM on September 05, 2004 at 09:35:28 PT

Hope
My Amazon order was shipped so I should get two CDs this week. I ordered Jerusalem and The Revolution Starts Now. Steve Earle has a good head on his shoulders. He does songs about the death penalty and I don't like those songs. They are depressing that's why but his other music is really inspiring.
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Comment #18 posted by FoM on September 05, 2004 at 09:29:01 PT

afterburner
The religious right is a force to reckon with. When I was active in church everyone was hoping that the Rapture would occur so we could get off this earth and away from the vile people that share the earth with us. I didn't think that way but that is how it was. Armageddon is close and that makes the religious right get really fired up and boy are they fired up. What a shame too.
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Comment #17 posted by Virgil on September 05, 2004 at 09:17:59 PT

A word on the article- hatriotism
I was Republican until I say the hate from the Republicans over Clinton and his Monica Affair. People are being manipulated using their reptilian brain on hate and fear. The article could have introduced many to the word "hatriotism."Tom Hartman has a good article up at CommonDreams analysing politics with a description of the three areas of thinking in the brain. There is the reptilian brain that thinks survival and it is overlapped physically by the limbic brain and it in turn is wrapped by a mammanial brain- http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0817-13.htm
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Comment #16 posted by afterburner on September 05, 2004 at 09:10:19 PT

More on Soros / Hastert
US: Web: OPED: Dennis Hastert on Dope. Wed, 01 Sep 2004 http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v04/n1253/a05.html?136996
"Two Heartbeats From the Presidency, an Absolute Nut Job."US: Web: OPED: Dennis Hastert, Liar or Fool? Thu, 02 Sep 2004 http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v04/n1253/a06.html?136996
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Comment #15 posted by afterburner on September 05, 2004 at 08:26:17 PT

Isn't that a terrible way for me to think?
It's a terrible way for *them* to think!
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Comment #14 posted by FoM on September 05, 2004 at 08:22:14 PT

afterburner
That article is true that you posted and very scary. I spent yesterday watching the hurricane. Nature isn't a republican or a democrat but nature is the boss. My husband and I were talking about Bush as president for 4 more years and unless we stand together and vote democrat Bush will win. I told my husband I wanted to be able to do the news until we win but it will take 4 more years and that's a long time to stay upbeat. I can't figure out why people just love Bush. I don't even like anything about him. I'm really baffled about it all. I know that war will help bring the return of Jesus in some peoples minds and I really think that is one of the reasons why people like Bush. They want the Rapture to occur soon. Isn't that a terrible way for me to think?
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Comment #13 posted by afterburner on September 05, 2004 at 08:06:12 PT

Alarming
'Four more years' could mean ...
Sep. 5, 2004. 08:17 AM
[Toronto Star]
http://tinyurl.com/593mt" Dubya. It was stamped on buttons, projected on building walls, paraded proudly down Seventh Ave. as a single giant white plywood letter. Arguably, however, W could also stand for Where? — as in where would four more years of Bush take America and the world, Tim Harper reports." [Full Story] http://tinyurl.com/593mt

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Comment #12 posted by Hope on September 05, 2004 at 06:23:59 PT

This is an extraordinary column
And in the New York Times at that. How powerful really is the Gray Lady these days? Does what the Times prints carry much weight in the world?
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Comment #11 posted by Hope on September 05, 2004 at 05:19:13 PT

FoM...off topic
Last night, listening to "Lone Star Saturday Night" on NPR radio, I heard Steve Earle sing "Seeker". I was so excited. He's good. Funny thing. I often take notes of singers and songs on the program...and I'd written Steve Earle's name down in past weeks. 
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Comment #10 posted by FoM on September 04, 2004 at 22:31:19 PT

The GCW
I saw that interview. It was good.
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Comment #9 posted by FoM on September 04, 2004 at 22:29:34 PT

Breeze
I just sent you an e-mail. Let me know if you get it.
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Comment #8 posted by Breeze on September 04, 2004 at 22:01:19 PT

FOM- 
I want to to send you an email, and another member of this forum that may not be a good idea for just everyone/anyone to read. How can I do this?
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Comment #7 posted by The GCW on September 04, 2004 at 19:32:50 PT

Ron Reagan...
Bikesagainstbush creator Joshua Kinberg was arrested while taping an interview with MSNBC's Ron Reagan in Manhattan Saturday afternoon. http://www.thc-ministry.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2563 Cont.Controlling the News  http://www.thc-ministry.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2587Camps for Citizens: Ashcroft's Hellish Vision  http://www.thc-ministry.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2561MORE...
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Comment #6 posted by FoM on September 04, 2004 at 17:24:51 PT

Chris Matthews
I really like Chris Matthews and Ron Reagan. They have class. Fox news people let their hate show thru so easily for anything that isn't republican. Chris Matthews was in the Peace Corp during Nam. He has convictions and so does Ron Reagan. I wouldn't want to get into an argument with Ron Reagan because he is good. He is smart, polite and can fire them off in an instant and keep smiling while he does it too! I hope he stays on MSNBC. I have always liked him because he was an announcer for big dog shows. That's where I recognized his sensitivity.
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Comment #5 posted by Virgil on September 04, 2004 at 17:15:54 PT

Chris Matthews being boycotted ...
by Republican guest. It is like it is Chris Matthews finest hour according to this DU thread- http://tinyurl.com/5xu3u
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Comment #4 posted by FoM on September 04, 2004 at 16:42:02 PT

Virgil
I believe it. I walked out of the room when he was speaking but I could still hear him. It reminded me of what we called a catch a breath preacher. It was like a church sermon in a fundamentalist Church. I really liked the interview Chris Matthews had with him after he spoke and he got really angry at Chris Matthews. People were laughing at his antics. I thought if he kept up ranting he could have a stroke he was that bad.
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Comment #3 posted by Virgil on September 04, 2004 at 16:27:04 PT

Richard Cowan likes to say...
I could not make this up. Can you believe that a Democratic Senator from Georgia gave the keynote speech at the Republican Convention? Here is his Senate website- http://miller.senate.gov/The guy should be calling for the impeachment of Bush, instead of calling those that oppose an illegal war in Iraq and its occupation and rape. Reading from any Google search on Zell Miller would bring some enlightenment to an Internet newbie on the problems of the country. It is Cynthia McKinney's bid for re-election that is most interesting in Georgia. Here is her website- http://www.cynthiaforcongress.com/ They did a hit on her by circulating a quote on her without her ever saying it. It was about like the lie where they said that Al Gore claimed to have invented the Internet. Just because he never said it until after the election on Saturday Night live did not stop the media from thought herding people into believing he did. Here is where Greg Palast talks about the hit on Cynthia McKinney- http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=229&row=1Like almost all of Congress, Miller is a sell-out and I say he is quilty of treason. Treason against the treason that now rules us is patriotism. But Miller speaking at the Republican Convention- who could even have made up such a thing?
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Comment #2 posted by global_warming on September 04, 2004 at 13:48:54 PT

Hastert the Bastert
What the hell are those people drinking out there in the mid-west, maybe a little too much self righteous religion, maybe too much corn or potatoes."Mr. Bush, it's now clear, intends to run a campaign based on fear. And for me, at least, it's working: thinking about what these people will do if they solidify their grip on power makes me very, very afraid." You got that straight Paul.."But the vitriol also reflects the fact that many of the people at that convention, for all their flag-waving, hate America. They want a controlled, monolithic society; they fear and loathe our nation's freedom, diversity and complexity." This may give some insight into the mind of the "prohibitionist" ..monolithic..
(1. Constituting a monolith: a monolithic sculpture.
 2. Massive, solid, and uniform: the monolithic proportions of Stalinist architecture.
 3. Constituting or acting as a single, often rigid, uniform whole: a monolithic worldwide movement.)Go George, that is Soros, and yes go George Bush..AWAY, Far far away,..-gw
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Comment #1 posted by FoM on September 04, 2004 at 12:53:10 PT

What About Medical Marijuana?
They mention Heroin which is very controversial to the public but they don't mention how he's helped sick people get the laws changed as far as medical marijuana issues go.
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