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Even Without Inhaling Minds Clouded Over Marijuana
Posted by CN Staff on April 08, 2004 at 08:06:48 PT
By Eamonn McCann
Source: Belfast Telegraph UK
It has wisely been observed that marijuana makes people mad. Not so much the substance itself, more the mere mention of it. Anybody who has ever included the legalisation of marijuana in an election programme will be aware of the immediate common reaction.This is a suicide note. Your rivals will have you tagged as a dope-head and a moral danger to vulnerable children. Better withdraw from the contest, lie low, never to mention the matter again.
More than half the people who say this will go on to insist that they themselves are enlightened sorts, well aware that marijuana is relatively harmless and that designating it a dangerous drug is ignorant, self-defeating stupidity.But us cool dudes are in a minority, they continue. The broad masses have been blinded to truth by the blather of judges, the fatuities of commentators and politicians, the laughable pronouncements of solemn-faced police. "The seizure of this small armful of marijuana plants will have saved many lives..." Forget about 50/50 recruitment. How can people who talk such tosh make it through to the selection stage in the first place?In 40 years of observing the phenomenon, the only effect I've noticed of police seizures of marijuana has been an increase in prices on the street. Even now that the Home Office, normally a bastion of bone-headed reaction, has downgraded marijuana to Class C status, fear grasps at politicians when the legalisation issue is raised.I am told that the panic of Sinn Fein leaders at the party's recent ard fheis was something to behold when it briefly seemed possible delegates would vote to adopt "Free the Weed" as a party slogan.Mind you, at least Sinn Fein can discuss the issue. Suggest such a sensible slogan to the DUP, say, and some of them would have to OD on religion as an antidote.There's a mystery here. How come so many people are personally in favour of the legalisation of marijuana but convinced that it would be disastrous to express this belief in politics? A public opinion poll last month in two US states suggested an answer. The poll focused on the limited question of whether marijuana should be made available for medical reasons. But it uncovered an anomaly which helps also to explain contradictory attitudes to marijuana generally.The results of the poll, conducted in Vermont and Rhode Island, were published on March 29. Asked if they supported legal access to marijuana for seriously ill patients, Vermont voted 71% yes; 21%; 8% had no firm opinion. In Rhode Island, the figures were 69%; 26% and 5% respectively. So, a commonsense response from a majority in both states.But then the pollsters asked an additional question which I haven't previously seen included in such surveys: "Regardless of your own opinion, do you think the majority of people in (Vermont or Rhode Island) support making marijuana medically available, or do you think the majority opposes making marijuana medically available?" The results were intriguing. In Vermont, 37% thought there would be majority support; 37% believed only a minority would be in support, 25% were unsure.The Rhode Island figures were even more dramatic: 27% thought there'd be majority support; 60% thought not; 18% were uncertain. Across the two states, a considerable proportion of the commonsense majority believed it was in a minority. This is strange. As a general rule, people tend to have an inflated idea of how many of their fellow citizens support the things they believe in themselves. The only explanation I can think of is that the relentless promotion of untruth about marijuana has so clouded the minds of ordinarily intelligent people that even thinking on it makes them feel dizzy. This reinforces my long-held belief that rational discussion of drugs problems will continue to be impossible while marijuana remains tainted by illegality.Complete Title: Even Without Inhaling, Minds are Clouded Over MarijuanaSource: Belfast Telegraph (UK)Author: Eamonn McCannPublished: April 08, 2004Copyright: 2004 Belfast Telegraph Newspapers Ltd.Contact: editor belfasttelegraph.co.ukWebsite: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/Related Articles & Web Site:Marijuana Policy Projecthttp://www.mpp.org/States Defend Medical Marijuana Policieshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread18574.shtmlThe Trouble with Marijuana and Legislatorshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread18573.shtmlSouder Critical of Medical Marijuana http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread18548.shtml 
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Comment #37 posted by Patrick on April 10, 2004 at 10:47:26 PT
Dead Sea Scrolls
Funny you should mention those. But then its Easter weekend. I have been to the Shrine of The Book in Israel/Palestine where the scrolls are kept and seen them first hand. My opinion is that ink-dipped chicken feet walked all over fragile papyrus. Once I saw the "original" writings I knew that taking anything the bible has to say literally was as radical a position as any modern day terrorist. Yeah sure, I believe scholars translated that stuff word for word and cranked out King James bibles at a record pace so we would have the "true" word of God! I would love to watch the special about the scrolls it sounds very interesting.
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Comment #36 posted by FoM on April 10, 2004 at 08:50:36 PT
Patrick
Thank you for sharing about Tom and Rollie. I remember someone commenting that lived near Rainbow Farm but I don't think he stayed active about our issues after 9-11. 9-11 scattered everything that was news worthy and understandably so. It's a miracle that we survived and are still here.I hope you are having a nice holiday weekend. Last night I found a channel that talked about the dead sea scrolls and what never was put in the Bible. I can't remember which channel and my VCR broke a few month ago so I couldn't tape it. I hope they repeat it tonight or tomorrow. It was fascinating information. 
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Comment #35 posted by Patrick on April 09, 2004 at 23:52:46 PT
I'm with you FoM
When you said… I wish I could say that I met them but I never did. My knowledge of Tom and Rollie only surfaced when the terrible events happened over those few days.I learned of Tom & Rollie's plight right here at Cnews and as the weekend unfolded I remembered fearing the worst and posting such as the information trickled in slowly. There was somebody here posting that weekend that lived down the road from Rainbow Farm. Who was that?Back then I could have had 3 TV's running non-stop as I watched local and national news all the time. The Internet was my favorite source of information too. I mean if you were interested in issues regarding cannabis you read this website and watched pot tv much like today. My point is that most of America wasn't clued in to the power of the Internet even in 2001. The "bubble" had already burst and I think most didn't even know what the bubble was. Tom & Rollie's situation was a story as big as Ruby Ridge, Waco, and even the Oklahoma City tragedy. It was truly, in my mind anyway, a total give me liberty or give me death stand against an overbearing government and the only information available as it unfolded was mostly right here on cannabisnews.com. FoM I was so involved in that story here on your website at the time and then only a week later we got hit with 9/11 and everyone was blind-sided. We here in prohibition land got hit twice in a week while most of this nation only got hit once on 9/11.
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Comment #34 posted by FoM on April 09, 2004 at 22:51:49 PT
ekim
I hope the book is written. That weekend at Rainbow Farm was a big and horrible event of prohibition. Their life stories reflect so much of what it's like to think outside the box. Daring to be different shouldn't be a crime. They just wanted to be who they really were and be proud too. That's a good thing.
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Comment #33 posted by ekim on April 09, 2004 at 22:32:12 PT
Merl Haggert was there i hope some one has pics
man FoM it reads like a novel. Teeter the guy that started the hastle of the Farm is now the head hunter of Childsupport in MI vowing to hunt down every last offender if anyone has pics of Figer signs or Pra signs or bands lets see themTom and Rollie (sorry) rented the State Theater in Kal for the PRA kickoff event for the State. 
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Comment #32 posted by FoM on April 09, 2004 at 22:21:47 PT
ekim
I wish I could say that I met them but I never did. My knowledge of Tom and Rollie only surfaced when the terrible events happened over those few days. 
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Comment #31 posted by ekim on April 09, 2004 at 22:12:38 PT
Tom and Rolie walked the walk
ok I will start it off. Geoffrey Fieger was running for Gov. of MI. 1998 and came to Kalamazoo MI at the Blue Dolphin Restaurant. He said that he wanted to look at changing the drug laws in MI. so the Farm was the place to start posting Geo's name.Tom and Rolie made sure People from all over the State and others too took signs back and helped support Mr. Fieger. Geo picked our Current Gov Jenny Granholm as his AG. she said that she would not consider changing the Drug Laws. She got elected to AG while Geo was put down in Favor of John Engler who left the State in the Red and billions spent for prisons. Now Gov Jenny has cut Billions from needed programs and has had to implament a non violent drug offender bill that John Engler passed before leaving because the cost was bankrupting the prison system. Most importantly Geo has been named by Gov Jenny as the head Movie organizer of the State of MI. maybe just maybe Geo will have the last laugh and help make the Rainbow movie. 
http://www.minorml.org
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Comment #30 posted by ekim on April 09, 2004 at 21:46:55 PT
Post your Rainbow story here for Dean &us to read
I just called Dean and told him he was being talked about on Cnews. He was out with his family and said that he will look in and read what is being said.I love the ideas of a Movie and a screen play.
The list of people that were at the Farm would blow your mind to see on the screen would futher reduce it to ash.Please everyone think the good thoughts that Rainbow forever grew in our minds and souls relay them here to Dean.Thanks everyone here for the collective energy that keeps going after the light not the dark.
http://www.mmdertoit.org
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Comment #29 posted by potpal on April 09, 2004 at 11:45:34 PT
9-11
Another peculiarity about that week...I was working for a marina and reported to work at 6 am the morning after 9-11. It was still dark on my way to work that morning and something in the sky hit me like a ton of bricks...the moon was a sliver and Venus was a little to right of it...just like the flag of Pakistan...of course the moon and venus are in motion but the phase of the moon was right at the time and, I believe, its not all to often that the line up just so...
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Comment #28 posted by E_Johnson on April 09, 2004 at 10:18:22 PT
Woody Harrelson and Matthew McConaghey
That's who should play Tom and Rollie in the movie that I wish Woody was trying to get made right now.
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Comment #27 posted by FoM on April 09, 2004 at 08:56:40 PT
A Page About Tom and Rollie and Rainbow Farm
Here's a page I made when the massacre at Rainbow Farm happened. I put pictures from the different papers with links to articles on this page. Here it is.We must not forget.http://www.freedomtoexhale.com/rb.htm
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Comment #26 posted by FoM on April 09, 2004 at 08:15:32 PT
Patrick
You just reminded me about 9-11 and what it meant and I didn't get it at first because my mind was so rattled that fateful day. 
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Comment #25 posted by Patrick on April 09, 2004 at 07:55:48 PT
Rainbow Farms and 9/11
Are forever linked in my little mind. FoM I remember asking you if I could hang out and use the comments here as a form of chat. Amazing how time flies. 9/11 came only a week after Tom and Rollie were executed by cop. Tom and Rollie's story never really gained national attention from my recollection not because 9/11 overshadowed it but some kid was bitten by a shark on the east coast. The was the "big" story in that short tragic week in American history. On the morning of 9/11 I recalled saying to myself and to friends that someone really dropped the ball. Actually I was quite pissed off as I recall. To have four planes taken simultaneously, in my ex-military mind, is the equivalent of falling asleep on guard duty. No doubt someone dropped the ball. I also recall posting here on 9/11 that the date of 9/11 can't be a coincidence. 911 in America means the number to call for emergency and boy did we get an emergency that morning. With the events of 9/11 who would ever question or visit the relationship of Rainbow Farms with ole George's visit to Michigan. Tom made a "give me liberty or give death stand" and the President was in his state and over 150 cops gave him death. There are no coincidences. And now to hear that Ashcroft was warned not to fly that day. Now I don't think someone dropped the ball that day, I think they helped kick it.
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Comment #24 posted by E_Johnson on April 09, 2004 at 07:33:38 PT
There should be a MOVIE -- Where's Woody?
Can't Woody Harrelson or Ron Mann get someone to write a screenplay about that event and get it produced?It has to be a movie. It would be a great important movie.Maybe nobody will give money for a SERIOUS film about marijuana?I guess they all expect us to tell jokes and entertain them while we're being held at gunpoint.That's how it works.We keep them laughing and they keep us crying.That's the deal we somehow ended up with.
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Comment #23 posted by kaptinemo on April 09, 2004 at 04:39:26 PT:
Rainbow Farm is but a chapter of a very big heavy 
book...written partly with the blood of innocents. And that same 'ink' drips from the hands of those charged to be protectors, not murderers. The matter could have been resolved peacefully by simple patience and waiting them out; they would have had to surrender any day from lack of food and water. But the 'authorities' wanted an overwhelming show of force, just as they did at Waco and Ruby Ridge, to cow anyone contemplating standing up to the Federal juggernaut. They wanted blood, and they got it.And the galling thing is, we pay for it all with our taxpayer's dollars...just as we are with everything else Uncle is doing around the world. Uncle's minions may pull the trigger, but it is we who (at threat of imprisonment) have the money extorted from us via taxes to buy the weapons they carry. And use. On us and anyone else Uncle doesn't like.Uncle minions need to be, as the comedian Don Rickles once opined in 1983, "put into a 'home', and stop bothering the American people."
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Comment #22 posted by FoM on April 08, 2004 at 21:14:13 PT
ekim
I'm happy to read that a book will be written. We need to make sure that Tom and Rollie and the Rainbow Farm are not forgotten. 
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Comment #21 posted by ekim on April 08, 2004 at 20:04:19 PT
many were allready in shock
http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread17211.shtml
Dean Kuipers is writing a book about the farm Five days later, after a standoff that involved the sheriff's department, the Michigan state police and the FBI, men lay dead and lives were forever altered. The events at Rainbow Farm quickly became front-page news but were even more quickly overshadowed by the September 11 terrorist attacks. The story - and the troubling issues it raised - seemed forgotten. Until now. Court documents and extensive interviews with survivors make it possible to re-create the events leading up to the siege and the escalation of violence at Rainbow Farm. It's the story of the destruction of a flawed utopia, a place where a group of outsiders made an attempt at redemption and success but ended up facing the full force of America's drug laws. 
http://www.leap.cc
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Comment #20 posted by Virgil on April 08, 2004 at 18:07:49 PT
mp3 of Rice's testimony
For those interested in Rice's testimony today- http://tinyurl.com/2yv96The thing about 9/11 that gets me is that has been no real report on television that even covered the time line much less who profited by all the short sales. Most people would not even know what LIHOP or MIHOP is much less challenge the authorities that could not even fire one person in government for such a failure of national security.But people did see the planes crashing into the towers 1000 times on CNN and every network there is. My analogy for watching the entertainment and deception on CNN, Fauz News, and to a lesser degree the other networks relates to a person drinking seawater while stranded to meet the need for water. With sea water at 3.2% and a higher in salt than urine, drinking seawater is worse than not drinking at all. The CNN and Faux News crowd not only don't have a clue about being informed, but by watching such misleading news entertainment they are worse than not seeking news at all. 
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Comment #19 posted by FoM on April 08, 2004 at 17:58:49 PT
SoberStoner 
I see it was quite a tense day for you too. Thanks for sharing it. 
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Comment #18 posted by SoberStoner on April 08, 2004 at 17:06:55 PT
I remember too...
My wife and mother in law were both down in DC that morning. I drove my wife to the metro station in the morning and came home, sat down and logged on. I saw a blurb on yahoo that said Plane Hits Twin Towers.At the time, I thought it was like a little cessna or something and thought nothing of it.After I found out that both towers got hit by jets I was shocked. My mom called and told me she saw it on TV..I couldnt believe it. I couldnt believe that both buildings had fallen down completely. I thought that surely only the top had fallen and some floors were left.Then the pentagon got hit. It may have been before my mom called, i'm not sure anymore, that day was rather hectic around that time, since both people I knew were around the pentagon area, my memories are more concered about trying to find them.Of course, once i realized the pentagon got hit I tried to call my wife, but of course, all lines were busy. My mother in law could literally see where the plane had hit the pentagon from her conference.Needless to say, I was terrified when I found out about that fourth plane that was still out there.It wasnt until about 2 hours later that I heard it had gone down.Those two hours were some of the most terrifying hours of my life. Bush sat there with a glassy eyed stare and shrugged it off.When I see what has transpired since then, I know this administration is evil. And I mean that in a literal heaven and hell kind of evil. They have sold their souls for whatever miniscule representation of power they adore. I'm more amazed that there are people who can claim to be religious and still support what this administration has done. No good man can take a tragedy like this and use it for their own personal gain, which is exactly what these theives have done. The fact that this presidential race is even close is I think a symbol of how far this country has fallen....OR...maybe fauxnews has done a little too well, and we are the majority on a number of issues the men in power dont like..Americans have grown to like the idea of not thinking on their own so much it has led us to this point. I only hope sanity will prevail this summer/fall, and Bush and his cronies are sitting next to Milosevich where they belong this time next year.SS
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Comment #17 posted by FoM on April 08, 2004 at 15:59:14 PT
Oh Just Another Comment
When I said we are the future of communication I meant us and other forums where a community base is established. Today I'm talking about something else on a NY board I visit. I can ask a question about something and I always get an answer. We are the future of communication. There I feel better now.
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Comment #16 posted by FoM on April 08, 2004 at 15:50:04 PT
We Are The Future of Communication
Westnyc and kapt it amazes me how different we all are but how we have bridged the gap of age, religious beliefs, city or country people and can share a common goal. We are a remarkable bunch of people.
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Comment #15 posted by westnyc on April 08, 2004 at 15:19:28 PT
Oooooooooh New York New York
My favorite thing in this whole world is New York City. It is my passion. I actually had to leave last year and move back to Michigan when I was furloughed from my job through a "Force Majeure" initiative. Of course, as with all the other contract disputes over 911 and the War in Iraq, the arbitrator found in favor of the company. I know New Yorkers have a bad reputation; but, let me tell you "New Yorkers are the nicest people." In fact, I have never met one person who has visited New York and didn't love it. That doesn't mean they would like to live there, but given the chance, my bet is they would visit again.I think for me the most moving moment on Sept. 11, was later in the day I walked down to Union Square and as I was walking I saw a baglady - someone who has nothing in the world to give - going from market to market collecting ice in her rickety cart to take down to Ground Zero. In spite of everything that day, I was so touched and moved by this. Later at Union Square, literally thousands had gathered to pass-out photos of their missing loved ones. This is where I saw what appeared to be a "punk-assed" kid trying to seem tough until he got on camera holding a picture of his mother and broke-down crying "Mommy I love you - you're all I have - please someone tell her to come home because I need her." I know it may sound dramatic; but, if you could only have been there and saw in real-life the anguish on so many faces, especially the face of what was probably a normal and rebellious teenager. He was only one of thousands!I guess this is why I get so (I don't want to swear) angry and literally nauseaous when I see those ads with Bush and 911. To him this could be seen as a positive catastrophe. It bothers me so much when I hear these stories about what really happened and what was known and what was done over 911. My comfort, at least I know there are others who understand; and that I am simply not going crazy from paranoia.
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Comment #14 posted by kaptinemo on April 08, 2004 at 15:05:39 PT:
"Now, this is no s**t."
(The traditional preface of remarks leading to important information or advice given to young troops by older hands.)Guess how I learned about 9/11: right here.I had taken the day off and had scheduled a doctor's appointment for later that day. As is my usual practice, I dropped in here to read the latest; the previous day, a historic debate between the then-head of the DEA Asa Hutchinson and the former Governor Johnson of New Mexico had taken place, and I wanted to see if there had been any new developments. I was commenting on the previous days event when, after refreshing the page, I saw a comment that an aircraft had collided with one of the buildings in New York. Thinking this an accident, I raced upstairs from the basement and turned on the Tube to begin witnessing an awful day in America's life.Later that day, I was driving east along Interstate 70 in Maryland and noticed how many cars seemed to be heading Westward. Every road I took closer to DC, the more traffic I noticed moving in the opposite direction.I arrived at my Doc's office to find her distraught; her hubby was scheduled to be meeting a business associate in The Towers. My Doc and I go way back; we held each other for a long time, me making encouraging sounds, with a sinking gut feeling the whole time I might be wrong.Turned out he had, on an unusual whim, decided to meet his client and have breakfast with him at the hotel he was staying in instead of the Towers. He was saved by an empty stomach. He had managed to get through to a pay phone and call her on her cell; I was standing there when she took it. People DO cry from joy.Sadly, a coworker of mine lost a favorite aunt on one of the planes that hit the Towers.But I 'heard' about it first, not from radio, not from The Tube, but FROM RIGHT HERE. Within seconds after it happened.This medium is the future of communications; never doubt it.
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Comment #13 posted by FoM on April 08, 2004 at 14:59:38 PT
westnyc
Thank you. I don't know what to say because I can only imagine how hard it must have been for those like you who were right there. I've been to New York a couple of times for different events and I was overwhelmed by the city. As far as more dead then reported that could very well be true.
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Comment #12 posted by westnyc on April 08, 2004 at 14:31:51 PT
I was there!
I actually lived on West 14th in Chelsea. I actually woke-up and made some coffee before going for a run down the West End Highway to Battery Park City. When I turned-on my computer to check for any emails - there was a big story how one of the Twin Towers was on fire. I immediately ran-up to my roof deck and as I was walking toward one of my neighbors disbelieving that this was really happening, the second plane flew in and struck the second tower. At first we all thought it was a missile because from my distance you couldn't see the wings due to the slant of the plane. Once the reality that it was actually airplanes became clear - there were still maybe twenty planes flying over manhattan into LaGuardia. I literally watched every plane wondering if one was going to crash into Times Square or the Empire State Building. A few days later NY1 and some radio stations encouraged people to place a candle in front of their buildings to represent each person considered missing. I walked from 13th street up to 45th to be with some friends. Every single house on W13th and W45th had at least one candle burning on their steps. These are mostly what are called Row Houses with several apartments. In my building alone my neighbor in #4E who worked for Conde Nast magazine never returned nor did the 27 year-old Puerta Rican girl who worked as a Janitor in the towers.Why I mention this; they say there were less than 3000 who disappeared; but, it sure seemed like from all those candles there had to be more.
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Comment #11 posted by E_Johnson on April 08, 2004 at 14:21:31 PT
Don't be knockin 8 tracks JR
Think about smokin Mauie Wowie in a jacked up 64 Chevy with chrome rims and spoilers and a Carter AFB 4 barrel on a bored and stroked 427 V8.You ain't gonna pop in a CD of Justin Timberlake in THAT car dude!That's an 8 track car, for 8 track music.That's the tribe that raised me.
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Comment #10 posted by JR Bob Dobbs on April 08, 2004 at 14:13:37 PT
OT-QT
A new computer with an old version of Quicktime is like a Ferrari with an 8-track.But I'm surprised nobody has converted those .movs to other formats, if it would help them reach a wider audience.
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Comment #9 posted by FoM on April 08, 2004 at 11:01:31 PT
Something To Hear 
If anyone wants to hear a little from a song called Let's Roll just scroll down and pick the player you want to use.It gives me the shivers. It's about the plane that went down in Pa on that day.http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005Y4A2/qid%3D1081447117/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/102-5864088-1124930#product-details
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Comment #8 posted by E_Johnson on April 08, 2004 at 10:58:27 PT
Afghan has a growing federalism problem
The warlord problem in Afghanistan is taking on dimensions of a national struggle over central vs. local control.http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&ncid=578&e=7&u=/nm/20040408/ts_nm/afghan_fighting_dcDostum's position is now being described as "federalist".Maybe he needs some advice on how to transition from a military to a political type of federalist activism.
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Comment #7 posted by FoM on April 08, 2004 at 10:38:34 PT
I Remember
I want to say that we mostly talk about Cannabis news and issues related to drug policy reform but we are a community of people from all over the world and that September day forever changed the U.S. and the world. My memories of that terrible morning are these.My husband came into the bedroom since he wakes earlier then me and said you better get up and come out to the living room. As soon as I got into the living room we both were standing and watched the second plane hit. Just typing this gave me a chill. I don't remember alot about that day as far as news but I always will remember Patrick saying something like can I just hang around here today. I said yes. It's interesting how we recall events. I have a great ability of blocking out things I don't want to remember but somethings are in my mind like 9-11 forever.
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Comment #6 posted by E_Johnson on April 08, 2004 at 10:32:50 PT
Oh yes I remember it well
I'm not a morning person but my husband is. He came in the room and said, "You really aren't going to like watching the news today. It's really bad and getting worse by the minute."But Bush had a definitve response -- he launched an immediate all out war on the LACRC.
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Comment #5 posted by BGreen on April 08, 2004 at 10:18:09 PT
FoM, Do you remember 9/11/01?
Where were you that morning? I'll never forget how I felt.I woke up and walked into the living room where my wife had the TV on. I watched NBC's Today Show as the first reports started coming in, and started switching between news channels.I stood there watching all of this horror and felt sick. It was surreal. My world literally stopped at that instant. Nothing else seemed to matter at that point.From talking to others I believe most of America felt the same way.The 9/11 ashcroft debacle has been mentioned here, probably by Mayan and his relentless quest to get us all to know the truth.Let me offer two more links for you to watch. These videos show bush on the morning of 9/11. His reactions don't seem to mirror those of anybody I've spoken to, and his face tells a million stories.andrew card leaned in an whispered something to bush and didn't even wait for a response. bush said NOTHING. We were under attack and bush did nothing but sit there and listen to some kids read to him for another 5 minutes. bush said he didn't immediately leave because he didn't want to scare the kids.20 minutes later, however, bush made the announcement that we had been attacked at AN ASSEMBLY OF THE STUDENTS!Remember how you felt on that morning when you watch how bush reacted.One of the reasons that you haven't seen some of these is because they require Quicktime by Apple. Don't be afraid of installing Quicktime. You were burned by some software companies but I haven't heard of any complaints about Quicktime. It's worth trusting Apple Computers when it comes to being able to watch these videos.The Reverend Bud GreenBush at Booker Elementary School - THE VIDEO THAT PROVES 9-11 WAS NOT A SURPRISEhttp://www.whatreallyhappened.com/schoolvideo.htmlThe Memory Hole > 5-Minute Video of George W. Bush on the Morning of 9/11http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/bush-911.htm
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Comment #4 posted by FoM on April 08, 2004 at 09:32:28 PT
Chris Matthews and The 9-11 Widows
Now I'm paying attention. I didn't know that Ashcroft and others were warned not to fly on 9-11.
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Comment #3 posted by FoM on April 08, 2004 at 08:29:24 PT
We're Bad!
I like that EJ! I had to mute the volume on the news. I can read what it scrolls if I want to check it out but I turned on Greendale to put things in a proper perspective. I figured the news will analyze her testimony until it's run into the ground so I am only half paying attention. Politicians can talk and talk and talk somemore and say nothing. It's crazy. I am a person who likes to hear yes and no answers. Let a person's yes truly mean yes and a no truly mean no. I am too idealistic I suppose.
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Comment #2 posted by Sam Adams on April 08, 2004 at 08:23:27 PT
Jesus just left Chicago 
And he's bound for New Orleans
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Comment #1 posted by E_Johnson on April 08, 2004 at 08:17:37 PT
Come in, Belfast
CNEWs is bad, we're planet-wide.Remember the ZZTop song "I'm Bad, I'm Nationwide" I just feel like playing it now: (I mean bad in the the rock and roll meaning of cool.)Well I was rollin' down the road in some cold blue steel,I had a blues man in back, and a beautician at the wheel.We going downtown in the middle of the nightWe laughing and I'm jokin' and we feelin' alright.Oh I'm bad, I'm nationwide.Yes I'm bad, I'm nationwide.
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