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Pot for Fun Should Not Be Legalized
Posted by CN Staff on February 20, 2004 at 13:36:45 PT
Editorial
Source: Las Vegas Sun
This week the "Committee to Regulate and Control Marijuana" filed paperwork with the secretary of state's office to launch an initiative campaign. Two years ago a similar campaign was launched by "Nevadans for Responsible Law Enforcement." Two years from now they'll probably come up with another deceptive name for what it really is they want to do -- dupe Nevadans into becoming the first state in the nation to legalize marijuana.
Voters in Nevada's general election of November 2002 did not fall for their slick campaign, sponsored by a Washington-based group known as the Marijuana Policy Project. Question 9, which wanted to amend the Nevada Constitution to allow people 21 and older to legally possess up to 3 ounces of marijuana, failed by a margin of 61 percent to 39 percent.This new campaign claims the current initiative is superior. This time the initiative seeks to legalize the possession of up to 1 ounce of marijuana by those 21 or over. In our view, whether it's 1 ounce or 3 ounces has no bearing on legalized marijuana's threat to public safety. We do not need more impaired drivers. Or impaired anybody. The new campaign also touts the initiative's strong penalties for people who abuse marijuana. This disguises the true motive, which is to use Nevada as a springboard for a national drive to legalize marijuana use. Besides, setting criminal penalties is a responsibility best left to the Nevada Legislature.We support the use of marijuana under a doctor's guidance for relief of pain or other medical conditions. But in a society where drug victims can be counted by the millions, we cannot condone the use of marijuana for recreation.Source: Las Vegas Sun (NV)Published: February 20, 2004Copyright: 2004 Las Vegas Sun Inc.Contact: letters lasvegassun.comWebsite: http://www.lasvegassun.com/Related Articles & Web Sites:MPPhttp://www.mpp.org/Regulate Marijuanahttp://www.regulatemarijuana.org/Marijuana Legalization Isn't The Answerhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread18369.shtmlEffort To Legalize Marijuana Renewedhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread18361.shtmlLegal Marijuana Campaign Restartshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread18355.shtml
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Comment #30 posted by FoM on March 01, 2004 at 10:38:05 PT
Letter: Marijuana Should Be Legalized
March 01, 2004 I am writing this letter in response to your Feb. 20 editorial headlined, "Pot for fun should not be legalized." Growing up as a teenager in Nevada, I can verify the percent of teenagers that have tried marijuana as presented in the Marijuana Policy Project's commercial -- 67 percent is, in fact, correct, if not a low estimate.The availability of marijuana to teenagers is staggering. The reason: prohibition. Prohibition has led to the unregulated sale of cannabis, allowing anyone of any age to purchase to their heart's content. This is in direct contrast to alcohol and tobacco, which are legal and therefore have age restrictions. It is easier for a person under 21 to get cannabis than it is to get alcohol.I also do not agree with the suggestion that regulating cannabis will lead to the degradation of society. Contrary to the lies propagated by the film "Reefer Madness" and the drug czar, marijuana does not cause the user to become violent or pugnacious as with alcohol consumption. Cannabis soothes and pacifies the user. What's wrong with a peaceful, laid-back society?Prohibitionists need to look at the big picture and stop ignorantly believing that the drug war is succeeding. In 100 years, Americans will look back at cannabis prohibition and be amazed at its stupidity, much like people today view segregation. RANJAN MISRAEditor's note: Ranjan Misra grew up in Reno and is now a student at UCLA. http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/debate/2004/mar/01/516443647.html
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Comment #29 posted by ekim on February 21, 2004 at 16:38:54 PT
just think what one Family could do for the people
A TRUE STORY ----- by Malcolm ForbesA lady in a faded gingham dress, and her husband dressed in a homespun
threadbare suit,
stepped off the train in Boston and walked timidly into the Harvard
University President's
outer office without an appointment. The secretary could tell in a moment
that such backwoods,
country hicks had no business at Harvard, and probably didn't even deserve
to be in Cambridge."We want to see the president," the man said softly."He'll be busy all day," the secretary snapped."We'll wait," the lady politely replied. For hours the secretary ignored
them, hoping that the
couple would finally become discouraged and leave. When they didn't, the
secretary grew
frustrated and finally decided to disturb the president, even though it was
a chore she always
regretted."Maybe if you see them for just a few minutes, they will leave," she said
to him. He sighed in exasperation and nodded. Someone of his importance didn't
have time to
spend with these people, and he detested gingham dresses and homespun suits
cluttering up
his outer office. The president, stern faced and with absolute dignity,
strutted toward the couple.The lady spoke to him. "We had a son who attended Harvard for one year. He
loved Harvard.
He was happy here. But about a year ago, he was accidentally killed. My
husband and I would
like to erect a memorial to him somewhere on campus."The president wasn't touched at all....he was shocked."Madam," he said gruffly, "We can't put up a statue for every person who
attended Harvard and
died. If we did, this place would look like a cemetery " "Oh, no," the lady explained quickly. "We don't want to erect a statue.
We thought we would like
to give a building to Harvard."The president rolled his eyes. He glanced at the gingham dress and
homespun suit, then exclaimed,
"A building! Do you have any earthly idea how much a building costs? We
have over seven and a
half million dollars in the physical buildings here at Harvard!"For a moment the lady was silent. The president was pleased he had gotten
through to her. Maybe
he could get rid of them now. The lady turned to her husband and said
quietly, "Is that all it costs to
start a university? Why don't we just start our own?"Her husband nodded.The president's face wilted in confusion and bewilderment. Mr. and Mrs.
Leland Stanford then got
up and walked away, traveling to Palo Alto, California where they
established the university that now
bears their name.. Stanford University...a memorial to their son that
Harvard no longer cared
about.You can easily judge the character of others by how they treat those who
they think can do nothing.
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Comment #28 posted by afterburner on February 21, 2004 at 16:26:20 PT:
Impaired? the Ravings of the Inexperienced
Flashback:The place - The Pepper Jack Cafe, Hamilton, Ontario, CanadaThe people - Marc Emery and associatesThe date - Aug. 27, 2003The event - Legal warm-up and planning session for legal smoke-out at the cop shop (Ontario Court of Appeal acknowledged on Oct.7, 2003, that cannabis possession had been legal during the "Summer of Legalization." This was confirmed by the Justice Department which stayed all charges between Jul. 31, 2001, and Oct. 7, 2003 [Ottawa Stays Pot Charges in 4,000 Cases http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/17/thread17939.shtml ]An assembly of cannabis activists toked freely in a setting usually frequented by alcohol drinkers. Yet there were no fights, no destruction of property, no vomiting, no public urination, no driving (The crowd walked peacefully with no staggering to Hamilton Police Headquarters for the demonstration.), and lucid conversation to discuss future plans ensued.Impaired? I think not!
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Comment #27 posted by Robbie on February 21, 2004 at 14:38:34 PT
Cost/benefit analysis for "fun"
Drug war: $60 Billion + the horrendous police-state mentality it encouragesHealth/Treatment/Legalization: $30 Billion (plus added benefits of cultural demilitarization)
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Comment #26 posted by den on February 21, 2004 at 13:22:15 PT:
"Fun"
"Fun", remember that word?, it's an old word from the 70's, when everyone who wanted a good job with health care could have one, People didn't Marry just for security, families to a much greater degree stayed together, People could take great vacations, terrorists threats were minimal... "Fun", it seems now to be a word that only the wealthy can use for themselves and that prohibitionists can use against us...
Many People use cannabis as treatment for physical and psychological pain, the man made drugs for pain are highly addictive (cannabis is not). The man made drugs for depression and anxiety cause headaches, nausia, insomnia etc (cannabis does not), and as for their effectiveness, they don't get to the root cause of a Persons anxiety and depression, a lack of "Fun"... It's just like an old song says, "the pills that mother gives you don't do anything at all", they don't ease our physical and psychological pains, they don't give us what we are lacking, "Fun"... Now since I have no health care, I designate myself as my own doctor and I prescribe myself, "Fun"...
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Comment #24 posted by FoM on February 21, 2004 at 10:45:34 PT
A Wish
I understand the importance of the news that is happening now but I do hope that our issue won't get lost in it all. It could very easily. I will keep looking for news to post but I don't think we will see much until the lines are drawn and we know who is going up against Bush. Issues like ours could get attention then. That's what I'm hoping for. Have a nice weekend everyone!
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Comment #23 posted by ekim on February 21, 2004 at 10:23:53 PT
Law Enforcement against Prohibition
http://www.leap.cc/events/events.php
February 2004
Feb 24 04 Parents & Educators for the Reform of Drug Laws 07:00 PM Howard Wooldridge Denver Colorado USA
PERDL welcomes Speaker Howard Wooldridge to discuss and exchange information regarding the war on drugs. Location: Auditorium -The Ford Warren Branch of the Denver Public Library, 2825 High St. Feb 27 04 Central Pt. Conference 08:30 AM Marti DeWolfe Sacramento California USA
The Central Point Conference: California State Dept of Public Health, AIDS Office invites LEAP speakers Marti DeWolfe and Judge Jim Gray to explain the unintended consequences of Drug Prohibition. Feb 29 04 Unitarian Universalists of Nashua New Hampshire 11:30 AM Jack Cole Nashua New Hampshire USA
Executive Director Jack Cole will meet with church members after services to present and discuss the failure of the war on drugs. For details, contact Mike Smithson at Speakers leap.cc or phone at 315-243-5844.
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Comment #22 posted by ekim on February 21, 2004 at 08:52:30 PT
Asst. Principal Admits Planting Evidence
That is the front page story in the Kal Gazette today. Gloov -- the cost to get a ballet question in MI is huge. Must have money to make a showing.I think that Bill Maher will be on Hardball mon nite.
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Comment #21 posted by mamawillie on February 21, 2004 at 08:31:45 PT
39% voted FOR 3 ounces??!! That's exciting!
61% is a clearn majority, sure, but they want to dismiss the power of 39% of the popluation that voted FOR 3 ounces to be legal? That's incredible to me!Surely there will be at LEAST in the 40 percents who will want to legalize 1 ounce.. at least. I think there is a real chance of the 1 ounce getting a majority vote. 3 ounces sounds scary because people think: i've never bought that much at one time before...it would be expensive too.. who has that kind of money, and people might buy 3 ounces and then sell 2 off to their friends. Whereas 1 ounce sounds more personal user friendly.. it is just enough to last some people a few months (not me~!) yet not enough to sell off to anyone...Anyway, that's what I think normal, mainstream , possibly smokers possbily not smokers will think.Will be very very interesting to see in November what happens...
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Comment #20 posted by gloovins on February 21, 2004 at 05:33:25 PT
question to all cnews readers
how all do you thinks NV's plan stands against Michigans current drive at the below link? Curious to know fm all the informed at cnews, you know, become very knoweldgeable on all sorts of issues frm this site i 've learned...anyway chime on anyone!As far as MICH vs. NV I think we are all in the same boat I think, but MICH 's boat is WAY bigger & bolder though because it unregulates .3% thc level hemp . NV, they have a nice little 100 person party boat--- Mich's amendment will be the TITANIC of amendments passed, I think..No slag on NV's efforts --- I just --well each state is deffernt & thts the beauty of this country lets just hope the supremies holds the 10th amendment up for once though -- cause if passed, Mich's will test it for sure...looks interesting ...2004 here we come..
http://apublicservice.com
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Comment #19 posted by JR Bob Dobbs on February 21, 2004 at 02:23:04 PT
LTE
Sirs, One of the arguments often used to continue incarcerating marijuana users is "We do not need more impaired drivers". This argument assumes that someone driving under the influence of marijuana is suffering impairment similar to someone who is drunk. However, people who research this topic come to a different conclusion. For example, the Canadian Senate Committee on Illegal Drugs report of November 2001 said that "Cannabis alone, particularly in low doses, has little effect on the skills involved in automobile driving." Their main concern? People who use cannabis while drinking alcohol; in those cases, the senators reccomend lowering the blood-alcohol limit to .04%. If alcohol alone can significanly impair a driver, and cannabis does not, then why is alcohol the legal one?Canadian Senate Committee findings: http://www.parl.gc.ca/37/1/parlbus/commbus/senate/com-e/ille-e/rep-e/summary-e.pdf (Above quote on p19)
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Comment #18 posted by MikeEEEEE on February 20, 2004 at 23:55:58 PT
drug victims can be counted by the millions
= Reefer Madness!"we cannot condone the use of marijuana for recreation."I'd like to see what's his idea of recreation is.
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Comment #17 posted by SystemGoneDown on February 20, 2004 at 22:07:40 PT
Denny-Q on Bill Maher...
First, I'd like to state that Bill Maher and Ralph Nader are my favorite and most admired political figures in America and I think they have the best combination of intelligent understanding and sense of logical reasoning. As far as Dennis Kucinich goes, I think this guy is so pinned and commited to pulling our troops out of Iraq that the travesty of the Drug War, particularly on marijuana, is scarcely on his mind. I hope he takes Maher's advice and brings up those "underground issues" in the debates. I can only hope. And even greater, I hope my man Nader brings in something positive to this upcoming election...I can truly understand why alot of Bush haters don't want Nader to run. But Nader to me is the only real person that wants serious Social Reform, mainly in the media.
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Comment #16 posted by FoM on February 20, 2004 at 22:05:00 PT
Nuevo Mexican
I don't have HBO but I did hear Bill Maher say that Dennis should talk about the drug war. I believe it was on Larry King. The war in Iraq is important. What I would like to see is the issues of at least marijuana legalization be heard. I know it isn't important like the war but we are important too. Our issues need to be heard just like the economy and the war etc. Bush wants to call jobs at places like McDonalds manufacturing jobs! Can you believe it! So he could say we opened up 200,000 ( I made up that figure to make a point) manufacturing jobs when in reality all we'll have are more fast food places. This is all insanity to me.
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Comment #15 posted by Nuevo Mexican on February 20, 2004 at 21:14:30 PT
Dennis the K on Bill Maher! Tonight!
Dennis was asked why he hasn't made his third rail of politics views, such as ending the war on drugs his main focus, to get attention, as he has nothing to lose.
Dennis addressed the need to decriminalize, and explained how bringing the troops home is a 'third rail' issue when compared to the other Democrats, a good point, and a scary one. I kinda miss Howard Dean, and think he should be a V.P. as a reward for bringing life to the Democratic Party.(now that he's been 'gored by the DLC) Dennis will be in the debates, and isn't going away. And will have a positive influence no matter what.
I hope Ralph stays out, but expect him to run, but it'll work out with bush out, regardless of Ralph. He may be a distraction from Dennis, or he may not. I think he will generate discussions, and surprise us with his 'effect'.
We shall see!
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Comment #14 posted by FoM on February 20, 2004 at 21:04:24 PT
Asst. Principal Admits Planting Evidence
Saturday February 21, 2004 SOUTH HAVEN, Mich. (AP) - An assistant principal who was trying to get a student expelled admitted planting marijuana in the boy's locker, police said. Police say Pat Conroy told them this month that he placed the marijuana in the locker at South Haven High School last year because he suspected the boy was a drug dealer and wanted him expelled. Complete Article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-3772390,00.html
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Comment #13 posted by FoM on February 20, 2004 at 20:27:23 PT
BGreen and ekim
That is scary stuff. I sometimes think it's too late because I believe we all are toxic from all that has been done to us thru our lives. I saw a program on TV and it was called The Killer Whales of Monterey Bay and at the end of the movie they said that the whales will probably die because of the chemicals that were in their systems. They are the end of the food chain and it lead me to a very dark conclusion. I keep hoping but I do wonder if it isn't too late.ekim I heard Chris Matthews say about a two man debate the other day but I didn't see his show tonight. As long as Dennis and Sharpton are in the race they should be able to debate too. That's the only fair way in my book.
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Comment #12 posted by ekim on February 20, 2004 at 19:53:00 PT
good site FoM sounds like someone hears Kerry
Did you watch Hardball tonight or the last day or so. Cris has been trien to get Dennis and Al to drop out of race. Tonight he said that the Johns should come on his show and do a two man debate next week. Cris never mentioned the up comming LWV debate in La. Does anyone know anything about this debate. Sunday, February 22MinnesotaLos Angeles, California
5:00 - 6:00 p.m. PT
League of Women Voters and NBC Presidential Debate
Museum of Tolerance Theater
Broadcast on NBC Stations, MSNBC, Telemundo and national cable outlets
http://Kucinich.us
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Comment #11 posted by BGreen on February 20, 2004 at 19:50:49 PT
The Original Story Was In The Chicago Tribune
which is a subscription newspaper.I found a copy on the cropdecisions.com website and posted that link.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #10 posted by BGreen on February 20, 2004 at 19:47:32 PT
We Can't CHOOSE To Consume Cannabis, BUT:
We can CHOOSE to be paid a few hundred bucks to be poisoned by greedy chemical companies. Jesus, please help us all!The Reverend Bud GreenPanel backs testing toxins on humansA panel of scientists and ethicists recommended Thursday that the government accept research that tests the effects of pesticides and other toxic substances on humans.Such research--typically conducted by chemical and pesticide companies--could be used to set safety standards for potentially poisonous substances in the food supply and in the nation's air and water, said a 14-member commission convened by the National Academy of Sciences.(SNIPPED)
Panel backs testing toxins on humans
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Comment #9 posted by FoM on February 20, 2004 at 18:58:50 PT
John Kerry' Drug War Thread
I am so proud of the people who are making these excellent comments on John Kerry's board. Read what the moderator named Sandy said! Keep up the great work everyone!http://forum.johnkerry.com//index.php?showtopic=525&st=810
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Comment #8 posted by Virgil on February 20, 2004 at 18:22:03 PT
Yea, we want to dupe the dopes
Two years from now they'll probably come up with another deceptive name for what it really is they want to do -- dupe Nevadans into becoming the first state in the nation to legalize marijuana. Nope, dope. In two years they will be making this iniative a permanent part of the state constitution. BTW, all 48 states had legal cannabis until the wiving Mormons got all down on enhancement.Yeah, we just come up with fancy slogans that have nothing to do with what we are trying to accomplish and we have our puppet press write about all the harms that prohibition inflicts on everyone and pretty soon everyone thinks cannabis is a Miracleplant. Take a chill pill dude. That would be one part Miracleplant simmered in one part butter and cast in your favorite shape. You can even add food coloring. Put down the bottle and take up the bud. But chill out dude, and get enhanced for goodness sake and stop with the hate and the mean-spirited stupidity.
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Comment #7 posted by mayan on February 20, 2004 at 18:10:11 PT
To Cage Or Not To Cage?
"We support the use of marijuana under a doctor's guidance for relief of pain or other medical conditions. But in a society where drug victims can be counted by the millions, we cannot condone the use of marijuana for recreation."So they condone caging people? It's funny how these articles never mention "JAIL".
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Comment #6 posted by afterburner on February 20, 2004 at 16:37:10 PT:
Mighty ''High-Minded'' Words...
for a state that led the nation in legalized gambling and legalized prostitution. Of course, cannabis is a guide, a healer, unlike gambling which deceptively takes your money for false promises of rich payoffs and unlike prostitution which is a synthetic substitute for genuine human affection and relationship. But again, the point is that in the Land of the (still?) Free, the Bill of Rights guarantees diversity of opinion and action. If a state such as Nevada can somehow regulate the evils of gambling and can regulate the health of prostitutes and their clients, why is the re-legalization of the sacred herb cannabis, which was demonized into outlawhood by racist propaganda, such a taboo?
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Comment #5 posted by E_Johnson on February 20, 2004 at 15:47:59 PT
I just told them
Given the surging epidemic of teenagers being diagnosed with adult onset diabetes, if they want to keep marijuana users in cages, then they should keep fat people there too.It's pretty serious for teens to be having adult diseases like adult onset diabetes. This is what our corporate food empires are doing to us. The teenagers are growing up with the diseases of old people.It's not marijuana doing that, it's food. Who can we lock in a cage to make that problem go away?
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Comment #4 posted by AlvinCool on February 20, 2004 at 15:42:02 PT
LTE
I’ve always wondered what would really happen if a state completely legalized marijuana. For twenty years I’ve been told it would be both too horrible and to devastating to even consider. Then last August legal possession of up to 4 ounces was given back to Alaska. The Alaskan Court of Appeals ruled that citizens of Alaska have the right to possess up to four ounces of marijuana in their home for their personal use. I believe the case is Noy v. State, and the decision was on August 29, 2003.Taking this, and the fact that they are so close to the western Canadian coast, we can now look at Alaska and see the damage or not. We are told that if marijuana were legal use would skyrocket. Has it? noWe are told that if marijuana were legalized, workers would stop coming to work on a regular and timely basis. Have they? noWe are told that a sharp increase of driving accidents in Alaska would occur. Have they? noIt will be six months on March 1st. Why gives Alaska the ability to do something that the media and the government says it’s possible? Isn’t possible, to the tune of about 70 billion a year (may be a low figure all state, city and federal combined) and a military style police department. Wouldn’t the fact that none of the things that John Walters preaches is happening in Alaska mean that people against prohibition of marijuana, are possibly right? Why spend that kind of money, per year, when just posting message as the tobacco industry does, achieves the same results.
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Comment #3 posted by lombar on February 20, 2004 at 15:25:28 PT
What you 'condone' is continued insanity!
"But in a society where drug victims can be counted by the millions, we cannot condone the use of marijuana for recreation."But in a society where drug WAR victims can be counted by the millions, we can condone the use of criminal prohibition to prevent marijuana use for recreation.(and fail and fail and fail....)
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Comment #2 posted by global_warming on February 20, 2004 at 15:18:21 PT
Somebody Has To Be First
"We do not need more impaired drivers. Or impaired anybody."The writer seems like a cold stone sober person, one who may live a comfortable life.But for many people, who live the day to day trials of life, family and job, the forces of stress (the real silent killer) seem to never end. The anti-anxiety medications, the Prozacs, the nail biting and the alcohol, merely reflect the condition of our society.If some of you think that the path towards a better life is Jesus, forget it, for the world has yet to atone for his murder.This writer may or may not have problems in his/her life, but for sure, as an adult in this western world, the fears and uncertainties are only worsened by this writers attitude.The use of any intoxicant may for some lead down a dark path of addiction and personal failure, but for others, it may be the little comfort that makes this somtimes overbearing and overcroded world seem at peace.The writer, through this writing is not only asking for abstinenece, but is casting his vote for the continued violent war on people, the continued cageing of human beings, the continued destruction of peoples lives through a judicial process, that should simply be a medical decision.-gw
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Comment #1 posted by AgaetisByrjun on February 20, 2004 at 15:06:41 PT
When will they learn?
[This new campaign claims the current initiative is superior. This time the initiative seeks to legalize the possession of up to 1 ounce of marijuana by those 21 or over. In our view, whether it's 1 ounce or 3 ounces has no bearing on legalized marijuana's threat to public safety. We do not need more impaired drivers. Or impaired anybody [sentence fragment] . The new campaign also touts the initiative's strong penalties for people who abuse marijuana. This disguises the true motive, which is to use Nevada as a springboard for a national drive to legalize marijuana use. Besides, setting criminal penalties is a responsibility best left to the Nevada Legislature.We support the use of marijuana under a doctor's guidance for relief of pain or other medical conditions. But in a society where drug victims can be counted by the millions, we cannot condone the use of marijuana for recreation.]I certainly don't condone sodomy, alcoholism, tobaccoism, Nazi rallies, the US Communist Party, the Aryan Nation, the JDL, or killing fetuses, but I believe that all of these ought to be legal and constitutionally protected. Legalizing cannabis isn't an endorsement for marijuana, it's an endorsement for the US Constitution and personal freedom. And why should "pot for fun" be illegal? It's hardly a harmful drug. It's not harmless, but I shouldn't call it harmful, either.I've never heard a good reason as to why marijuana SHOULDN'T be legal. Furthermore, how many of the "millions" of drug victims are victims of those legal drugs (tobacco, alcohol, pharmaceuticals), many of which could be helped by a switch to non-addictive cannabis? And why should the general populace be discounted because they don't have the training and political savvy of the elected elite? Does that not run contrary to democracy?Finally, why do so many people equate freedom with endorsement?
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