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Major Parole Moves on The Table
Posted by CN Staff on December 28, 2003 at 11:58:42 PT
By Gary Delsohn -- Bee Capitol Bureau
Source: Sacramento Bee 
Convinced that California can no longer afford its $5.3 billion prison and parole system, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's administration is exploring moves that would all but eliminate parole conditions for nonviolent, nonserious offenders and eventually -- through early release and lighter penalties -- dramatically shrink the prison population.Some of the moves result from recent court settlements. Others are efforts whose planning began under former Gov. Gray Davis and have been speeded up by Schwarzenegger.
But taken together, the moves would mark a profound retrenching of the state's correctional boom, fueled in recent years by tough new sentencing laws and the growing political clout of the union representing California prison correctional officers."Arnold has had us identify the nonviolent, nonthreatening inmates," said one high-ranking corrections official working on some of the proposals. "We could probably cut the (prison) population by a third, which would be a huge savings for taxpayers and give some of these people a chance to be productive citizens again."Administration sources said the ideas are driven by California's fiscal problems and, if successful, could save the state hundreds of millions of dollars a year. They say the ideas would not jeopardize public safety because most of the targeted offenders are now locked up for nonviolent, drug-related crimes.The changes, most of which need legislative approval, also could go a long way toward improving California's much-criticized parole program. It was blasted in a recent state report as "a billion-dollar failure" with recidivism rates nearly twice the national average.And while aides say he has no intention of easing penalties against serious and violent criminals, Schwarzenegger is reportedly open to a wide range of possible changes that would signal a bold departure from how California's last three governors dealt with the criminal justice system.Snipped: Complete Article: http://www.sacbee.com/content/politics/story/8013619p-8949908c.htmlNewshawk: VirgilSource: Sacramento Bee (CA)Author: Gary Delsohn -- Bee Capitol BureauPublished:  Saturday, December 27, 2003Copyright: 2003 The Sacramento BeeContact: opinion sacbee.comWebsite: http://www.sacbee.com/CannabisNews Justice Archiveshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/list/justice.shtml
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Comment #29 posted by FoM on December 29, 2003 at 18:15:32 PT
Cell Dogs
This is a little off topic but I hope some of you will look out for this series on Animal Planet. It is called Cell Dogs. It is a program where inmates train dogs for special jobs like working with the handicapped. The inmates are inmates that will not be released because the crime was murder or another serious crime but this program seems to help them and the dogs. 
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Comment #28 posted by rchandar on December 29, 2003 at 16:24:33 PT:
ahnold
the article is vague and doesn't explain how nonviolent offenders will be dealt with--if they will simply be released, if the fines for released inmates will be laid or increased, if probation is part of it...it SOUNDS like ahnold is doing something very good. but hold on, i guess could be another excuse to lay fines. if it does away with parole and jail for nonviolent offenders, 
then that's really good.        --rchandar
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Comment #27 posted by FoM on December 29, 2003 at 11:40:54 PT
For Those Who Are Interested
I just found out that you can now listen to the complete Greendale CD on Neil Young's web site. Here's the link. Enjoy!http://www.neilyoung.com/greendale_frames.html
Neil Young - Greendale
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Comment #26 posted by FoM on December 29, 2003 at 09:14:56 PT
Another Slow News Day
One more slow day because of the holidays. Hopefully after the New Year begins the news will pick up. I decided today not to leave the news channels on as much and I put in my Simon and Garfunkel The Concert in Cenral Park DVD. I hope everyone is enjoying this time we have with your families and friends.
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Comment #25 posted by goneposthole on December 29, 2003 at 08:10:33 PT
one more
let them rot in prison
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Comment #24 posted by Sam Adams on December 29, 2003 at 07:18:01 PT
Maybe Trudeau will chill out now
He needs to lay off this "gropenfuhrer" stuff! As I've said before, I'll take anyone from outside the scum-sucking political class.  Wake up! We're all working for these evil bureaucrats. Remember now folks, all the evil in the world occurs overseas, and usually in the past.  The fact that we have millions more in prison now, many in 23 or 24 hour lockdown, is GOOD! The Bastille days back in medieval times were the worst - everything is great now that our happy light of "democracy" shines through the world......it's the *BEST* form of government, hee hee hee!
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Comment #23 posted by kaptinemo on December 29, 2003 at 06:20:44 PT:
We'll see how this runs
Go back and read the quote from the head of the CCPOA, one of the most powerful - and unelected, and therefore almost uncontrollable - power blocs in California:*Don Novey, who turned the California Correctional Peace Officers Association into a political power at the state Capitol, said he's heard about many of the proposals under study and is waiting to see how "it all shakes out" in Schwarzenegger's budget proposal for the next fiscal year, which is due by Jan. 10."With 30 years in the profession, I'd just say anything they do should be looked at with public safety paramount," Novey said.*Free translation: We will use the 'public safety' smokescreen as a whipping point (as opposed to 'talking point') for our members to badger unfriendly (meaning, progressive) legislators to maintain long prison sentences for as many drug cases as possible...even if it means bankrupting the State of California.Power is one of the single most addictive drugs imaginable. The CCPOA has tasted that power for over 15-20 years and is not about to give up their favorite drug without strenuous attempts to 'maintain' themselves. That power has enabled their members to have exhorbitant raises and enjoy major access to pols who've afforded them more power than any non-governmental group should ever have in the public arena.Power that has allowed them, in the past, to kill inmates without provocation on the inmate's part:
California's Gulag on Trial
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml%3Fi=19991122&s=cockburnfrom the article: *Welcome to Corcoran State Prison, 170 miles northwest of Los Angeles in the San Joaquin Valley; built at a cost of $271.9 million on what was once Tulare Lake, home of the Tachi Indians; opened in l988, designed for 3,000 prisoners, now holding 5,030. Kings County has dairies, cotton fields and two other state prisons besides. When they were selecting the jury for the ongoing trial of four correctional officers in the town of Hanford, fifteen miles from Corcoran, more than a third of the 500 residents called for jury duty said they worked at one of the prisons or had a relative in corrections. This brings us to Eddie Dillard. In March l993 this slight man was sent to Corcoran's Security Housing Unit after kicking an officer. Two guards led him to a cell, opened the door, and Dillard stared up into the face of Wayne Robertson, a k a the Booty Bandit, 6 foot 2. Dillard knew Robertson. The man had made sexual overtures to him and they'd had a fight. Dillard had formally reported that he and Robertson should never be housed together."I'm not supposed to be in here," Dillard told the guards, who laughed and strolled away. Robertson knew and has testified to his role. Guards had told him Dillard "needs to learn how to do his time." For two days the Booty Bandit raped Dillard while guards ignored Dillard's hints that he was being attacked. Hints only, because Dillard didn't want to be killed as a snitch. Finally, Dillard, temporarily out of the cell, refused to return.Six years later Dillard is getting his day in Kings County Superior Court, with four guards charged with aiding and abetting his rape. Testifying for the prosecution is Roscoe Pondexter, a 6-foot-7 former basketball star, dismissed from the Corrections Department for excessive force and now a man redeemed. Like Dillard, Pondexter is black. The accused are white or Latino. The jury is white or Latino. It's the first criminal trial of Corcoran guards in nearly a decade and should end later this month. Outside the Los Angeles Times and some other California newspapers, I've seen almost nothing about the trial. This is shameful, since Corcoran vividly incarnates the peculiar horrors of our national gulag.Corcoran was conceived in the eighties as a model of "absolute control." Its heart is the Security Housing Unit, holding l,500 of those deemed the most dangerous of the state's metastasizing prison population. SHU guards determinedly forced the integration of deadly rivals--Aryan Brotherhood with Mexican Mafia, gang with gang. To quote the Times's Mark Arax, whose reporting on Corcoran is one of the great journalistic achievements of the decade, "By forcing such explosive combinations...corrections officials believed that the gangs would brutalize each other into submission, according to internal memos and interviews with SHU staffers. Integration, they said, would bust the gangs."The SHU opened for business on December 5, l988. By December 29 it saw its first shooting when a guard wounded an SHU inmate "by mistake" with a 9mm carbine. Then: 4/4/89, William Martinez shot dead in the SHU exercise yard; 6/29/89, William Randoll shot dead in SHU exercise yard; 4/8/93, Michael Mullins shot dead in general population yard; 5/l4/93, Vincent Tulum shot through neck in SHU exercise yard, now quadriplegic; 9/9/93, Henry Noriega shot dead in SHU exercise yard; 4/2/94, Preston Tate shot dead in SHU exercise yard; 5/30/94, Donald Creasy, shot dead in his cell by guards. All shootings were declared justifiable by review committees and boards composed of Corrections Department employees.By l996 Arax was reporting that whistleblowing guards had described "gladiator days" at Corcoran, when guards would stage fights between inmates and occasionally kill one of the antagonists. The state was investigating a 1995 episode when shackled men arriving from Calipatria prison were savagely beaten by guards screaming "Welcome to hell!" Even Governor Pete Wilson felt the heat. In response, Corrections won a permanent ban on reporters' face-to-face interviews with inmates.*CCPOA: The Union Behind Prison Growth
http://www.prisonwall.org/ccpoa.htmCCPOA's million-dollar pledge to Davis
August 28, 2002
http://www.acssonline.org/news/20020828-ccpoa-pledges-1mil-to-gov.aspfrom the above article:*The California Correctional Peace Officers Association, a powerful union whose members have benefited significantly under Gov. Gray Davis, said Tuesday that it will donate up to $1 million to the incumbent by November to ensure his re-election.*One million. In an atempt to override the will of the electorate. It's obscene...Here's what they got for their support:Davis under fire for guards contract
BIG FINANCIAL BACKER GETS HEFTY PAY RAISE
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/3272140.htmfrom the article:*As the contracts signed by the administration of Gov. Gray Davis come under scrutiny in the wake of the Oracle deal, one deal stands out for the unusually generous benefits it bestows on one of the governor's biggest financial backers.The state's new contract with the California Correctional Peace Officers Association, which has given Davis more than $2.6 million since 1998 -- including $251,000 in a single March contribution -- provides the state's prison guards with a more than 30 percent raise by 2006 and some perks critics say are unparalleled in other state labor contracts, the Mercury News has found.For example, veteran guards can now get at least $130 a pay period in ``physical fitness incentive pay."*Like I said, these guys will not go quietly and meekly back to being what they once were. They want to keep their taxpayer funded perks. They'll fight ol' Ah-nuhld tooth and nail to do so. This will be his first real test of political will. Let's see just how much political acumen he has received by marrying into one of the families of the American Elites.
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Comment #22 posted by Virgil on December 29, 2003 at 03:28:51 PT
Wrong paragraph in comment21
I guess this time I could spell Nol Van Schaik properly and copy the right paragraph from http://www.hempbc.com/articles/3243.html"In Haarlem and most other Dutch places, our industry polices itself," the Haarlem hempster explained. "It is the same to compare our shops with alcohol businesses as to compare the effects of weed with the effects of alcohol. In ten years in Haarlem, the police have NEVER had to go to a coffeeshop to break up a fight or rescue somebody who had fallen ill due to consumption. In the same period, they have had to visit bars thousands of times to deal with violence, injury, and serious medical problems caused by alcohol. And yet it is the cannabis industry that Donner and [Holland's ruling political party] the CDA are attacking. He wants to shut us down? Better that he shut down the CDA. Or better that he shuts down his mouth."
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Comment #21 posted by Virgil on December 29, 2003 at 03:24:07 PT
Coffeshops v bars with referee Nol Van Shaik
CannabisCulture had an article dated yesterday with Nol Van Shaik talking about things cannabis- http://www.hempbc.com/articles/3243.html It includes this paragraph that somehow epitomizes the wrong thinking of holding back the new cannabis era that is coming to Planet Earth. In Haarlem, Holland, a Dutch heritage town 20 minutes from Amsterdam where Van Schaik has three quality "Willie Wortels" coffeeshops, local officials responded to the federal government's anti-marijuana policies by stepping up enforcement of existing municipal ordinances that govern the amount of cannabis that shops can have in inventory. Van Schaik helped create Haarlem's weedshop regulations several years ago. Local regs are the only regulations that really count in Holland's coffeeshop industry. The federal government's pot policies carry little weight. Local officials decide how their cities or villages handle marijuana businesses.
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Comment #20 posted by SystemGoneDown on December 28, 2003 at 21:36:49 PT
Happy New Year...
I hope the world swings our way in the 0 - 4. 03 ended on a down note, but I think overall it went to us. Change is inevitable, although I did jus get back from the movie theaters in which I saw anti-marijuana propoganda reach a place I'd never thought could, the big screen. As our struggles continue, the resistance intensifies(as seen on the commercial). Bush hires his hitmen Ashcroft and John Walters to the dirty work. 145million dollars!!!! to defend a lie is absurd. Just comes to show, the truth of cannabis is a slow process and all anger must be subdued and one must stay focused, especially when your going head to head with the most powerful figure in the entire world, the U.S. GOVERNMENT. We have an enemy much more powerful than us, but reason, logic, and goodness are all on our side. I'm just hoping this year will be a graceful one for pot smokers and I hope people think less and less of these propoganda mind control that they are putting in theaters. And most of all, I hope employers do not think less of marijuana smokers, and I'm hoping the judgement poll on marijuana as a hole continues to lighten up(no pun intended) and are accepted as people that are not "druggies"...To 2004......this hit is for you...
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Comment #19 posted by Nuevo Mexican on December 28, 2003 at 19:51:32 PT
Happy New Year! Claire Short calls for Blairs.....
resignation, and this will lead to bushes resignation.Who knows what the republicans will do to him for going to the extreme, and exposing their true Neo-con agenda, but he will have to pay the pipers!And they will blame it on Clintons private parts, his secret Nuke I suppose or some such claptrap.This will speed up the collapse of prohibition, and it will happen with the collapse of bush and his cronies as a cover for the equally momentous historical change of prohibitions end. (too embarassing to admit, i'm sure)Capitalism is soooo great E.J. that the world is ready to reject Americas false democracy, ultra capitalistic greed- based approach to Everything under the Sun. How about a world based on Human-ism, and not Capital-ism? Neva gonna happen-some may say, but I prefer a hope-based reality, otherwise, why bother! Lost a loved one recently?Alot of people are checking out of this so-called 'reality-tv version of life on Earth, as it is now like Orwells 1984, Big Brother owns your TV, and your mind, body and soul. Just knowing most people seem to be fooled by all the mainstream media b.S. can chronically depress anyone with a shred of intelligence. Fear is the goal, despondency plays into the controllers dream world, and should be avoided at all costs!I'm down with the 'liberal left' on Capitalisms evils, seems The Communist loving Russians and Chinese have found Capitalism to be great too, no more Human Rights considerations, just plain ole economic considerations. If the commies like capitalism so much, it can't be that great E.J.! Neither works, and both should be resigned to the trash heap of history, Great ideas, capitalism ,communism, other isms too! But it is time to move on!Capitalism basically sucks for most and benefits the few, and is dying at a rate that cannot be tabulated. Practice barter, its easy, its real, its equal value for equal value, and has always been the currency of all time. Try it, you'll like it, and everyone profits!Now for the days GOOD NEWS!Short calls on Blair to resign(if blair does resign, bush will freak, and be left to hang in the wind, as his only backer is history) 
Short calls on Blair to resign
 
 Clare Short said Mr Blair's prospects were 'not looking good' Clare Short has called on Tony Blair to resign because she says he deceived the British people over the Iraq war. 
She accused the prime minister of risking his own legacy because of an obsession with "his place in history". She predicted he would not lead Labour into the next election and urged him to resign for the honour of Britain
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3352383.stmBremer 'rejects' Blair WMD claimsThe US official running Iraq appears to have contradicted Tony Blair's claim Saddam Hussein had laboratories for developing weapons of mass destruction. 
The prime minister said in a Christmas message to UK troops that the Iraq Survey Group (ISG) had unearthed "massive evidence" of clandestine labs. The head of the Coalition Provisional Authority said it was not true. Paul Bremer said it sounded like a "red herring" made up by someone to upset the rebuilding effort. It sounds like someone who doesn't agree with the policy sets up a red herring then knocks it down: Paul Bremer But Mr Bremer seems to have been unaware that the quotes had come from Mr Blair when they were put to him in an interview on ITV1's Jonathan Dimbleby programme. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3351915.stmLooks like the pryamid is crumbling, and surprise, no terrorist attacks over Christmas, but you knew it was just a hype, we're all so cynical now, and hours have been wasted on the subject. Another successful bush diversion!Go Carl Rove, you're on a roll, for the time being!For about two-three more days anyway, huge shifts in Consciousness are upon us, take note! Compassion is the key!Peace! NM
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Comment #18 posted by The GCW on December 28, 2003 at 19:48:58 PT
diaper scrap - one to go with #12,
US MA: But Did He Inhale?Featuring: Harvard student Albert Gore III http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v03/n1996/a07.html?397420It is interesting, these 2 stories, are about kids of political leaders getting caught with the peace plant, and they are just 2 of many; look at the Bush twins; there are too many to look at to mention here...Then there are the big dogs; Clinton who had it in HIs jaw and blew it; and the little bush who snorted coke for fun.It doesn’t seem to matter if Gore or Clinton inhale or if Bush does coke. What matters is that everyone else pay for the historically discredited war on some drugs, while those who perpetuate the farce are allowed the perpetual get out of jail free card. 420In case You haven't heard: Democratic Presidential nominee, Dennis Kucinich, put in writing that as PRESIDENT He WILL: 
"DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA" -"in favor of a drug policy that sets reasonable boundaries for marijuana use by establishing guidelines similar to those already in place for alcohol." (POSTED ON His website!)http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread17917.shtml http://www.kucinich.us/issues/marijuana_decrim.php Then everyone who does inhale will be treated evenly.
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Comment #17 posted by mamawillie on December 28, 2003 at 18:26:55 PT
hummm, first sentence missing about Ed
Ed Rosenthal once said one day a bunch of men in suits would meet behind close doors and finally come to the conclusion that MJ needs to be legalized and taxed. Ed said it would be a financial decision.
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Comment #16 posted by mamawillie on December 28, 2003 at 18:25:12 PT
Ed Rosenthal once said
 >> Ed said it would ultimately be a financial decision. (excuse me if this wasn't Ed, though I am 98% sure it was)...When I read this months go in a book, it seemed so far off. I realize California isn't legalizing MJ and taxing it, and I realize California isn't the federal government, but it is suddenly seeming not so far off.I don't want the gov to regulate MJ in the way they do cigs, but if that's the first step, then bring it on.Imagine how much money California could get in taxes if they legalized and regulated MJ for recreational use.
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Comment #15 posted by Virgil on December 28, 2003 at 18:17:15 PT
On the verge of relevance
I just wanted to mention Costco as a source for prescription medicine. I read what I can on the pill industry and the markup from the pill companies to the pharmacy seems to be over 300%. From what I have read it seems Costco- http://www.costco.com/ - is the place that takes it as a mission to deliver low cost prescriptions. My understanding is that even though it is a membership store, they let the general public buy medicine there.
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Comment #14 posted by FoM on December 28, 2003 at 17:57:19 PT
ekim
I just caught a few minutes of this program but it is on line and I thought you might want to check it out. Maybe you've already seen it but incase you didn't here it is.****The People's Voice: Election 2004What if you could sit down with a presidential candidate for an hour and ask hard-hitting questions about issues real people care about? Link TV is doing just that with its new series, THE PEOPLE’S VOICE, which links the candidates to leading citizen activist groups. The series premieres with Rep. Dennis Kucinich on Thursday, 12/18 at 10PM ET (7PM PT). For more program and voting information, click here.Video Link:
http://www.linktv.org/programming/programDescription.php4?code=election_kucinichhttp://www.linktv.org/
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Comment #13 posted by ekim on December 28, 2003 at 17:50:57 PT
Thanks GCW
No sane human would eat his own like that, he must be ckd for MCD.
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Comment #12 posted by The GCW on December 28, 2003 at 17:43:30 PT
A detrimental drug?
US HI: Senator Hooser's Son Arrested for Possession of Marijuanahttp://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v03/n1996/a04.html?397 The one who is wrong is making the one who is right seem like the bad guy.That is a nasty habit the sickening cannabis prohibitionists must give up.
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Comment #11 posted by ekim on December 28, 2003 at 17:42:01 PT
Good going Virg
man that is half of the last time. that 350,000 was what we needed here in MI ------- I would like to see Jesse wear a T-Shirt that said -- Free the Plant that put US in the Poor House. Mr Soros could hire him to run the show. 
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Comment #10 posted by Virgil on December 28, 2003 at 17:31:22 PT
Answering my own question
The initiative process requires 5% for statues and 8% for constitutional amendments of people that voted in the governor’s race in the last election- http://www.dof.ca.gov/fisa/bag/Initiatives%20and%20Propositions.htmThere were 7,145,342 votes cast- http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2003/recall/ -in the last election for governor 7,145,342 x.05= 370,767 signatures. Proposition 215 needed 750,000 signatures in 1996. 
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Comment #9 posted by goneposthole on December 28, 2003 at 17:30:32 PT
He just isn't a grinch
He smoked cannabis and never killed anyone. Besides, one-third fewer bellies to feed makes a lot of sense.
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Comment #8 posted by E_Johnson on December 28, 2003 at 16:36:02 PT
This is how I foresaw Arnold's influence
Arnold didn't run on any kind of drug reform platform, he ran on a solving the budget crisis platform, and on a caring about the politically marginalized people in the state.The bloated Drug War is a big part of the budget crisis. The targets of the Drug War belong to marginalized populations.That's why I saw hope coming in the form of a Republican.How bizarre in these times but true.
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Comment #7 posted by E_Johnson on December 28, 2003 at 16:30:30 PT
It's because of decriminalization and the left
Marijuana decrim in 1976 allowed Californians who use marijuana to forget that the penalties were still harsh for those who supplied it.Also, the left tends to be anti-capitalist, and people who see capitalism as an inherent evil tend to buy into arguments that there is a moral difference between possessing and supplying marijuana.So the liberal intellectual elite in California have kept us in a holding pattern of letting people off for using marijuana while punishing the heck out of them for supplying it.That's part of why Californians have not made the jump from decrim to full legalization that everyone expected to happen after decrim passed in 1976.I am encouraged that we have a Republican governor who understands that business is not evil and making money should not be demonized. At the same time he understands that marijuana is not evil and should not be demonized.It takes those two points of view together to constuct a platform that would support full legalization rather than just letting the users go free while sticking it to anyone who wants to go into the marijuana business.
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Comment #6 posted by E_Johnson on December 28, 2003 at 16:22:41 PT
Prison reform story in LA times
In the Sunday LA Times there's a big story on problems in the prison system, with brutal guards being protected by their unions and whistleblowers having their careers derailed:******************************** Five years ago, after prison scandals gripped California with tales of guards setting up inmates in human cockfights and then shooting them dead, the state Department of Corrections vowed to change its ways.Whistle-blowers would be protected, not punished. Internal investigators would be encouraged to pursue abusive guards. And the correctional officers union no longer would have a hand in dictating policy. That new day never came, interviews and documents show.
Prison problems in California
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Comment #5 posted by John Tyler on December 28, 2003 at 15:40:46 PT
Strange event
Odd isn't it that though everyone realizes the truth about cannabis the politician are still afraid to make a move. Now they have a budget crisis that will force them to make a move in the right direction. They are realizing that the Drug War has become too expensive.
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Comment #4 posted by Virgil on December 28, 2003 at 15:10:59 PT
Who will call for legalization in California
How many signatures are needed to put an iniative on the ballot? Does anyone think it would be hard to get those signatures if a determined group sought the change?Why is it that California is all of a sudden like so backwards dude? It is just less than mortifying that those liberals out there don't want to redefine freedom. A Taco Bell campaign that had munchy people man the parking lots between 10PM and midnight on one Friday or Saturday should do it. In 1972 one in three Californians voted for legalization.Is California not for a better definition of freedom? Does California want more corruption, more failure, more deficits, more injustice, and more WRONGS? I just don't get California anymore. It is a terrible thing that the USG has imposed a harsh and unwarranted prohibition that is unAmerican. For the state laws of California to do the same thing is just unCalifornian. 
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Comment #3 posted by sukoi on December 28, 2003 at 14:52:53 PT
Off topic 
but I wish that I had found this before Christmas!
http://shroomwizard.com/book.html
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Comment #2 posted by FoM on December 28, 2003 at 14:14:07 PT
Jose
I posted these as links and you must have missed them. Here they are.http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread18052.shtml#63
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Comment #1 posted by jose melendez on December 28, 2003 at 13:36:02 PT
meanwhile, in Maine
http://www.centralmaine.com/news/local/268195.shtml
reschedule or retire
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