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Legal Pot Supporters Back With New Tactic
Posted by CN Staff on November 21, 2003 at 16:30:49 PT
By Cy Ryan, Sun Capital Bureau 
Source: Las Vegas Sun 
Carson City -- The organization that tried unsuccessfully to change the law last year to allow adults to smoke marijuana is back in Nevada testing a new strategy.Advertisements have been appearing on television stations in Reno sponsored by the Marijuana Policy Project Foundation suggesting that more than 67 percent of teens in Nevada try marijuana before graduating from high school.
The advertisements say that compares with 28 percent of the teens in the Netherlands, where marijuana use is allowed under some conditions.Neal Levine, director of state policies for the foundation based in Washington, D.C., said the comparison shows that Nevada's law is not working. Reno is the first market in the United States where the advertisement is airing, Levine said. He refused to say how much the advertising cost or how long it would run.In the Netherlands, adults can buy marijuana at certain stores but must show proof of age if asked.The foundation last year started an initiative petition in Nevada to allow adults to possess up to three ounces of marijuana without being charged with a crime. It would have set up a string of state-sanctioned shops where marijuana could be sold. Voters rejected the petition 60.7 percent to 39.3 percent. In Clark County the tally was 188,757 against and 118,633 in favor.Assemblywoman Chris Giunchigliani, D-Las Vegas, one of the few legislators who publicly backed the initiative petition, said she has not had any contact with the national marijuana foundation for some time.She said she will be working in the 2005 Legislature to bring uniformity to the laws regarding driving under the influence of marijuana and being found under the influence while on the job.Nevada law says a motorist is guilty of driving under the influence of drugs if he is found to have 10 nanograms of THC in marijuana in his urine or 2 nanograms in his blood.But state Personnel Department rules say that a state worker who has 15 nanograms of THC of marijuana in his or her urine is considered under the influence. The state standard is derived from the National Health Services Administration guidelines.Giunchigliani said that urine tests do not show the actual THC in marijuana that can cause erratic behavior. "The blood (test) is more accurate," she said.Giunchigliani said using the urine sample offers the chance for an attorney to argue in court that the test is not valid.Levine said the foundation wants to gauge the results of its TV advertising program in Reno. It offers a website "Stopteenuse.com" to gather reaction to the advertisement.Levine said the government is not telling the truth about the use of marijuana among minors. The 67 percent figure comes from White House studies, according to the foundation.While the foundation backs adults using marijuana, it is against kids using it, Levine said.Advocates of marijuana decriminalization have noted that during a debate in Boston earlier this month, three of the six Democratic candidates for president admitted they had smoked marijuana. Sens. John Kerry and John Edwards and former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean all said they had used marijuana in the past.Giunchigliani said their answers show that marijuana is not addictive because they would not have risen to their present positions if they were hooked on the drug.Levine said he was not surprised by their comments but found them interesting. He said Edwards has pushed for the Drug Enforcement Administration to crack down on sales in California. He said Dean, as governor of Vermont, helped defeat a medical marijuana bill.At a later appearance in Iowa, Dean was asked if the drug should be decriminalized. He answered that would not solve the problem. But he added, "I think substance abuse should be treated as a medical problem, not a judicial problem."Those at the Boston debate who said they had not used marijuana were Rep. Dennis Kucinich, the Rev. Al Sharpton and Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman.Source: Las Vegas Sun (NV)Author:  Cy Ryan, Sun Capital BureauPublished: November 21, 2003Copyright: 2003 Las Vegas Sun Inc.Contact: letters lasvegassun.comWebsite: http://www.lasvegassun.com/Related Articles & Web Sites:Marijuana Policy Projecthttp://www.mpp.org/Stop Teen Usehttp://www.stopteenuse.com/Marijuana Ad Has Both Sides Talkinghttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread17840.shtmlSmokin' Airwaves - Reno News & Review http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread17839.shtml
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Comment #19 posted by Jose Melendez on November 22, 2003 at 17:29:47 PT
strange theory
from:URL: http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v03/n1812/a06.html Pubdate: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 Source: Los Angeles Times (CA) Contact: letters latimes.com Website: http://www.latimes.com/ Author: Marshall Bell
 
  LIMBAUGH'S RETURN TO RADIO The whole Limbaugh thing is no more than a cheap Republican trick to take the drug vote from the Democrats. Marshall Bell 
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Comment #18 posted by Nuevo Mexican on November 22, 2003 at 11:50:08 PT
Any word on the Kubbys'?
Is this a first or what, how many rulings are written in French and have to be translated? Anyone know the stats?The latest: 
On expanding the Patriot Act: bush is doing one of two things. Using the possible expansion of the Patriot Act to stir up 'fear' or they are really going to implement Martial Law. Which will fail!Al Queda, bushes best friend?http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=365272&group=webcastHow the stars see it:
(Uranus is at the 29th degree of Aquarius, sign of Revolutionary Change, and the most powerful degree in its 84 year transit, see (Georgias' Velvet Revolution of today) until New Years Eve!
 The 'degree' of disaster (latin for 'against the stars')
means now is the time, as 29 is a 'critical' degree, the now or never, last chance degree, before it changes Signs, and heralds a huge shift in energies towards the 'new'. It will move into the Sign of Compassion, Picses (Jesus, George Harrison, Edward Cayce) for seven years. Say Goodbye to the past, as the future is upon us. Look at the violent policing in Miami. Over the top, and no direct action was ever taken by the protesters.Reflections on Miami:
http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=365319&group=webcastDefinately retaliation by bushes forces for the British protests' of bush, which embarassed them beyond imagination. Their retaliation will be swift (like the suspicious timing of the Turkish explosions, very precise you know, how convenient!) Remember the pResident stating over and over how nice it is to be in a country where protest is allowed, BECAUSE it is NOT allowed in the U.S. due to this 'hollow man'.Photos of bullets shot at protesters:http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=365351&group=webcastIf martial law is declared, it will backfire, like Georgias'
President today declaring he won't resign, even though he has been thrown out of Parliment. So don't fear this scenario, fear is their only weapon. And its becoming ineffectual!Check this out! The Turkish people are protesting America!
Thats right, they know bushes 'velvet glove' was behind the Turkish 'terror' attacks. When you see the word terror, bush isn't far behind!'Thousands rally in major Turkish cities to protest attacks
Thousands of people took to the streets in major Turkish cities to protest against the truck-bomb attacks in Istanbul, condemning those responsible but also taking aim at the United States. (They are hip, wake up America, you can't afford to sleep forever!)
 
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20031122/wl_afp/turkey_attacks_britain_031122143710We need a 'Velvet Revolution' in the U.S., now that 'the bush' is back, he needs to be shown the door. Can we start a 'Show bush the door' campaign? 
Our friends in Georgia are doing us a favor and showing us how it is done. 
The next time 100,000 people are in Washington, we need to take our country back. Let's take a cue from England!It is too much effort to try and survive the daily despondency and fear mongering ways of the current thugs-in-power. Why wait until the nukes are unleashed by bush and its too late? (George 'Al Queda' Bush)'It's fortunate for George W. Bush he has a mess on his hands in Iraq; otherwise, he might have to worry about a significant cover-up coming undone.' David Corn http://smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=13872&mode=nested&order=0&thold=0As we all watch Kennedys' assasination over and over again, 40 years to the day, we should all be reminded of how this polical act changed the U.S. and allowed our quick descent into crass materialism and war worship. Reflections on the 40th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination'http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=365302&group=webcastMost Americans are aware of the digust the world holds for bush, but articulate and inteligent comments are to be found in the 'Have your say' section at the Daily Mirror.These comments are helpful, as some comments at Cannabis News are turned into stories by the mainstream media. We all know this, (HI, lurking jouros'! 
Keep up the good work!) to be the case, so I thought C-Newsers should be rewarded with articulate statements of anomosity towards bush, mind you, not Americans. The opinions seem to run into the hundreds, as I haven't even made it through them all! And in the wake of bushes poodle trimming, the are outraged and can't believe what they have just experienced: The fleecing of Britain by bush, in the light of day, with the eyes of the world on them. Tony, you can put your head back up URANUS! Oh, it's already there! Sorry!
Look deep inside Tony, you have made a deal with the devil!The fall of bush and blair has already occured in the eyes of the world, but won't be noted until the new puppetmasters have been groomed and installed.Thank God Arnold is President of our Cali-Forni-cation Nation! Now if we can just get past that nasty little requirement in the Constitution! Don't worry, the Constitution has been shredded and shouldn't pose much of a problem.http://www.mirror.co.uk/haveyoursay/page.cfm?objectid=13615411&method=full&siteid=50143Last but not least!
Great artwork of bushitler:
http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=365347&group=webcast
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Comment #17 posted by E_Johnson on November 22, 2003 at 09:58:24 PT
Marijuana is worse than child molestation?
They found two marijuana seeds at Loretta Nall's house and the police wanted her kids out of that home right away.Michael Jackson has been arrested for sexually molesting a child cancer victim and they're sitting around dithering over his three children, wondering what to do, if anything at all.
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Comment #16 posted by E_Johnson on November 22, 2003 at 09:29:21 PT
This is off topic but it upsets me
That boy with leukemia who said Michael Jackson molested him was abused by his father too.His father was convicted of corporal injury to his wife, and cruelty to his children, and what punishment did the law give him? Probation, probation, probation and more probation. And parenting classes.Gee thank heavens marijuana wasn't involved, or he might have done time.
Michael Jackson victim abuse history
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Comment #15 posted by Jose Melendez on November 22, 2003 at 08:43:17 PT
yes Sciam
I'm not sure I understand this article, but this may help clarify the carbon sink issue for hemp in comparison to trees, or asphalt.http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa003&articleID=0001F97D-39C2-1FBD-B9C283414B7F0000See also:Patent Issuedhttp://www.metla.fi/archive/forest/1996/02/msg00161.htmlCrop Rotationhttp://www.metla.fi/archive/forest/1996/02/msg00012.html
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Comment #14 posted by Virgil on November 22, 2003 at 08:09:34 PT
Nol's words at HempCity
All that follows is the entire posting by Nol at http://www.hempcity.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=151&start=15Spain will be allowing medical marihuana real soon, officially. Growing medical is accepted in Spain, but beware of bushwackers, discretion is a must anyway, for the robbers, I mean. You can rent thousands of places now, it is off season, long or short term. Just book a short holiday to have a look around, contact me if you come down south, ok... Nol._________________In Cannabis Fidelis
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Comment #13 posted by The GCW on November 22, 2003 at 06:30:30 PT
Souder must go.
Antiprohibitionists may claim some responsibility for getting Bob Barr out of office and I’m sure there are great minds at work to do the same with Mr. Mark Souder in Indiana. It just came to Me that with such high rates of cancer, Souder is very likely to have a reletive who has or had cancer that used cannabis successfully and so knows Mark Souder is wrong. That person, would have a healthy distaste for Mark Souder’s misinformation and would stand up for the truth, even against such relitive. It would be appropriate to locate a reletive of Mark Souder, who has direct experience with cancer and cannabis; and is willing to testify it on a tv commercial.Cheryl Miller makes Me think, if there is a reletive in the Souder family, that knows Mark is wrong by personal experience, He or she would not be able to refuse the opportunity to scream out the truth!Dot:*I think Mark Souder has a relitive who had to indure cancer because We all will; since My son died of leukemia in 1997, American cancer rates were 1 out of 4 and they have increased in just 6 years to, 1 out of 3. That is every American family.*Please help control Mark Souder’s prohibitionist tendencies by telling Your congressman to stop this bad law from taking effect. Failure to stop Souder's proposal will further increase the incarceration rates that are proving to be an unmanageable problem.
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Comment #12 posted by Jose Melendez on November 22, 2003 at 05:03:44 PT
informThem
That' it! answer the objection, and you have the sale.http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/uclickcomics/20031119/cx_crwiz_uc/crwiz20031119http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v03/n1809/a06.html?397
Got terror?
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Comment #11 posted by The GCW on November 22, 2003 at 05:02:02 PT
I want to address the recent action alerts,
to help stop Rep. Mark Souder (R-IN) from getting HIs "Drug Sentencing Reform Act" through, which He is expected to introduce soon. (click to see this alert in comment #7 & 3 at: http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread17842.shtml )Souder, is introducing an act that will make matters worse and here is an Indiana news item that will help connect those dots!"PRISONER GLUT IS WORST SINCE '60S" http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v03/n1809/a07.html?397http://www.indystar.com/articles/9/094566-3579-009.htmlPubdate: Thu, 20 Nov 2003
Source: Indianapolis Star (IN)Indiana facilities built for 16,000 now hold 23,000, officials say State officials say crowding in Indiana's 24 prisons has reached levels not seen in decades, potentially forcing them to place bunks in prison classrooms and recreation areas. "This is the worst crowding we've faced in at least 40 years," said Department of Correction spokeswoman Pam Pattison. ..."A person found carrying three grams of cocaine in Indiana faces up to 20 years in prison, Landis said. One gram of cocaine is the size of a packet of sugar."That is more time than someone would get if they broke into a house and raped a woman," said Landis,... 
(snipped)(These dots indicate Indiana can not afford for Souder to introduce law that will increase the overuse of the incarceration system, and make this problem much worse.)
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Comment #10 posted by DeVoHawk on November 22, 2003 at 03:44:44 PT
Kubbys are great
I quit watching pot-tv for a while after the Kubby's left feeling a loss. I eventually started watching again and was able to discover Chris Bennet, Loretta Nall, and Jack Layton. Loretta did a fantastic job a goose step high spreading the good word.I am listening to Coasttocoastam with George Noory (kfi640.com). A caller mention medical marijuana and he declared in no uncertain terms that medical marijuana is good. He mentioned friends testimonial as well as fans. With the large number of listeners the show has this kicks ass.
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Comment #9 posted by Virgil on November 21, 2003 at 20:57:45 PT
Surprise, I am going to comment on Nevada
Actually, I am not sure what was on the ballot last time exactly that failed to win support. I do not know what is to be proposed in 2004. The best thing that would help Nevada pass whatever it is to improve the situation would be for California to end state enforcement of prohibition. In 1972 the iniative for legalization got 34 percent of the vote. There are plenty enough people to make it on the ballot and it is not like freedom is to be bought through the media. Like dude, if it fails how are we worse off. We gave it a blow. Are we to lay down and say that this is satisfactory? How much is California spending a year to imprison people on MJ charges? What does it do to make a better world? Even if this blow does not take down prohibition, it cannot help but weaken it. Here is my BS- Freedom for laughing grass. No debate. Let's vote. I am not for supporting the media whores that are complicit in prohibition. The media sucks and if the cannabis community can develop paths of truth on the Internet and highlight independent sources of truth and honest reporting then great. There is so much spin now they refer to lies as spin. Shout journalism is going to die. Now and Frontline are two programs that present illuminating facts. At freerepublic they commonly commented on cutting PBS funding and hate Bill Moyers. At DU every Friday someone puts up a thread on the show. One side is at least willing to listen and the other shoots the messenger. The important thing is that tonight Bill Moyers said the show was available for view on the Internet and Frontline already has many past shows up. The truth is trying to find an audience.One thing that I did not understand about Nevada was the Mormon population. They are the ones that got Utah to be the first state to have criminal sanctions on cannabis. All I can think of is a poster of a woman crying behind bars with her child vistiting with a slogan "Do You Call Prohibition Moral?"Even people that have escaped the upside down world do not recognize we have the high ground. We represent freedom and the hope of sound government. We represent Cheryl Miller where the people elected to represent her laugh at the idea of representing people. They represent property and the earning power of that property/capital.We need to make the word prohibition the demon it really is. Seeing how the government can demonize a miracle plant and ban its use for industrial/agricultural, medical, and recreational uses using that demonization, it sure seems like we could demonize prohibition and prohibit prohibition. I would float the idea of a theme of Run the blockade We need to explain that we have CP because of the media. Like RC said on his pot-tv show, we have won the argument. We have not won freedom. To get there we are going to have to run the blockade. And for goodness sake, it is their side that is asking "Why should marijuana be legal." This is got to be getting boring and I can yield to silence after saying, we have to ask "Why is marijuana illegal."Now think of this. What if there were a contest for the best paper for "Why is marijuana illegal?" How good could it be and how could it not be dissected line by line. But there is no such prize winning paper and where there is constant stream of alledged harms and an implication that it is the harm that makes it illegal, where is the position paper?I am not sure anything can pass in Nevada because of the Mormon's, but we need to teach them the harms of prohibition, explain why they thing prohibition is wonderful and how is it justified. It should not be about raising money for advertising. What is happening is newsworthy. It should be covered by a responsible press, but we should work on running the blockade in conjunction with Alaska and hopefully California.Actually, I am not sure what was on the ballot last time exactly that failed to win support. I do not know what is to be proposed in 2004. The best thing that would help Nevada pass whatever it is to improve the situation would be for California to end state enforcement of prohibition. In 1972 the iniative for legalization got 34 percent of the vote. There are plenty enough people to make it on the ballot and it is not like freedom is to be bought through the media. Like dude, if it fails how are we worse off. We gave it a blow. Are we to lay down and say that this is satisfactory? How much is California spending a year to imprison people on MJ charges? What does it do to make a better world? Even if this blow does not take down prohibition, it cannot help but weaken it. Here is my BS- Freedom for laughing grass. No debate. Let's vote. I am not for supporting the media whores that are complicit in prohibition. The media sucks and if the cannabis community can develop paths of truth on the Internet and highlight independent sources of truth and honest reporting then great. There is so much spin now they refer to lies as spin. Shout journalism is going to die. Now and Frontline are two programs that present illuminating facts. At freerepublic they commonly commented on cutting PBS funding and hate Bill Moyers. At DU every Friday someone puts up a thread on the show. One side is at least willing to listen and the other shoots the messenger. The important thing is that tonight Bill Moyers said the show was available for view on the Internet and Frontline already has many past shows up. The truth is trying to find an audience.One thing that I did not understand about Nevada was the Mormon population. They are the ones that got Utah to be the first state to have criminal sanctions on cannabis. All I can think of is a poster of a woman crying behind bars with her child vistiting with a slogan "Do You Call Prohibition Moral?"Even people that have escaped the upside down world do not recognize we have the high ground. We represent freedom and the hope of sound government. We represent Cheryl Miller where the people elected to represent her laugh at the idea of representing people. They represent property and the earning power of that property/capital.We need to make the word prohibition the demon it really is. Seeing how the government can demonize a miracle plant and ban its use for industrial/agricultural, medical, and recreational uses using that demonization, it sure seems like we could demonize prohibition and prohibit prohibition. I would float the idea of a theme of Run the blockade We need to explain that we have CP because of the media. Like RC said on his pot-tv show, we have won the argument. We have not won freedom. To get there we are going to have to run the blockade. And for goodness sake, it is their side that is asking "Why should marijuana be legal." This is got to be getting boring and I can yield to silence after saying, we have to ask "Why is marijuana illegal."Now think of this. What if there were a contest for the best paper for "Why is marijuana illegal?" How good could it be and how could it not be dissected line by line. But there is no such prize winning paper and where there is constant stream of alledged harms and an implication that it is the harm that makes it illegal, where is the position paper?I am not sure anything can pass in Nevada because of the Mormon's, but we need to teach them the harms of prohibition, explain why they thing prohibition is wonderful and how is it justified. It should not be about raising money for advertising. What is happening is newsworthy. It should be covered by a responsible press, but we should work on running the blockade in conjunction with Alaska and hopefully California.http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=5550 That is the link to the CNN/Time of October 23/24, 2002 that gives us the immovable figure of 80 percent support for MMJ. It also said only 59 percent were against legalization. Who knows what it would be if it ask "Are you for the regulation of marijuana like alcohol and tobacco?" Plus there is no telling what it would be today as there are no polls. The same poll ask Do you favor or oppose the legalization of mairjuana in small amounts? That number was 51 percent.When asked have you tried marijuana at least once? 47 percent said yes. One thing we know is all these numbers did not go down and the fact that we have not seen any poll when they could have 10 people call from Indis for a few dollars and talk to less than 1000 people and get some numbers should tell us something. Hey, these people are in the business of taking polls. This is a big issue whose numbers would draw all kinds of reference and just how much would it cost with all the outsourcing. You know there may even be a company in India that polls Indians that would be glad to spend 2 cents a minute to make a few hundred hours of calls for a reasonable fee. There is a lid on the dissatisfaction or there would be some numbers on cannabis or the WOD that nobody supports.It is an election year. Legalization has the support. It has the high ground. Freedom calls and incarcerated cry. Excuse me while I am 50, but I am now on watch. For me there is no debate. Let's vote.
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Comment #8 posted by FoM on November 21, 2003 at 20:23:30 PT
One More Comment
I said that I didn't watch Pot-TV since the Kubby's stopped except for The Summer of Legalization Tour videos and I thought I should say why. I liked the Kubbys so much then when they stopped I stopped too. It isn't against anyone's efforts but I am the kind of person that doesn't adapt very well to changes and that's why I didn't not because I didn't like the show. I'm sure it was good. That's just my nature. I never watched the program that took over after PI stopped. There I feel better.
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Comment #7 posted by FoM on November 21, 2003 at 19:40:41 PT
A Comment On The Show
It was great! I'm really impressed. I haven't watched Pot TV since The Kubbys stopped except a few times during the Summer of Legalization Tour. I'm excited about what's to come in the next show! 
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Comment #6 posted by FoM on November 21, 2003 at 19:36:40 PT
Richard Cowan
Richard said Left of Jesse Jackson can be called a Fascist. That was good! I like what he is saying. I'm glad I have finally been able to see and hear what he has to say. He has a cool sense of humor too. 
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Comment #5 posted by FoM on November 21, 2003 at 19:07:27 PT
Thanks! mayan and Virgil
mayan, that's bad news about the Patriot Act. Virgil, I've never saw RC when he was on Pot-TV because my connection was too slow then. I'm watching it now and thank you.
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Comment #4 posted by Virgil on November 21, 2003 at 18:42:25 PT
RC defending freedom on pot-tv again
He will be making specials to bring facts to bear before Paul Martin tries to steamroll his version of CP through the legislature in a few months. He has new commentary up at marijuananews.com that says the Tuesday ruling on the Kubby's is being translated into French. His special at pot-tv is the first in this period before Martin pushes his prohibition - http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2315.html
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Comment #3 posted by mayan on November 21, 2003 at 18:38:56 PT
unrelated...
Patriot Act Expansion Moves Through Congress:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1121-01.htm
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Comment #2 posted by Virgil on November 21, 2003 at 16:55:51 PT
Relevant by evidence that the media sucks
Everyone knows that officialdom releases its most distasteful news on Friday. Now this being Friday, what do you think they announce? In a day that 57 Senators failed to sell America out to the Petro people because they needed 60, we get the smallest announcement possible from Reuters telling 8 million people they are going to get crapped on concerning overtime pay. This is the entire announcement to evidence the fact that the media sucks from http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=FRG03A4DHM0J2CRBAE0CFEY?type=politicsNews&storyID=3874478White House Said to Prevail on Overtime Work Rules Fri November 21, 2003 07:34 PM ET WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Bush administration on Friday won a Capitol Hill battle over proposed changes to U.S. overtime work rules that are backed by business and opposed by labor, congressional aides said. They said that Sen. Arlen Specter, a Pennsylvania Republican, had lifted his objections to the proposal, contained in huge year-end spending bill which Congress is now expected to approve in the next few days. 
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Comment #1 posted by OverwhelmSam on November 21, 2003 at 16:53:37 PT:
Try One or Two Ounces This Time
With 40% of the vote for decriminalizing 3 ounces of marijuana last time, I think MPP would be successful if they changed the measure to 1 or 2 ounces this time. The article is very well written. It appears to be unbiased while favoring decriminalization. Good.
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