cannabisnews.com: S.F. Officials Warned on Dispensing Medical Pot S.F. Officials Warned on Dispensing Medical Pot Posted by CN Staff on November 18, 2003 at 07:53:12 PT By Bob Egelko, Chronicle Staff Writer Source: San Francisco Chronicle U.S. drug czar John Walters held fast to the Bush administration's hard line on medical marijuana during a San Francisco visit Monday, saying city officials who distributed pot under a voter-approved initiative would be risking federal prosecution. Walters, director of the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy, went to Glide Memorial Church to praise its drug treatment programs and tout the administration's plan to fund local efforts against urban drug abuse. But he spent much of his time fielding questions about medical marijuana, the target of federal raids and prosecutions since California voters approved its use in 1996. Last November, San Francisco voters passed Proposition S, which required a study of official city cultivation and distribution of medical marijuana. If city officials implemented the measure by providing pot to patients, Walters said, "it would be a violation of federal law, so I would imagine they would open themselves up to prosecution.'' Snipped: Complete Article: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/11/18/MNGME34DPI1.DTL Source: San Francisco Chronicle (CA)Author: Bob Egelko, Chronicle Staff Writer Published: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 Copyright: 2003 San Francisco Chronicle - Page A - 7 Contact: letters sfchronicle.comWebsite: http://www.sfgate.com/chronicle/CannabisNews Medical Marijuana Archiveshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/list/medical.shtml Home Comment Email Register Recent Comments Help Comment #21 posted by FoM on November 20, 2003 at 16:46:09 PT Virgil and Anyone Interested Neil Young on this link below is interview by a Australian Station. He gets in his political views very well. I thought some of you might want to listen to the interview.http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/11/21/1069027300353.htmlNeil Young Rocks On: http://www.freedomtoexhale.com/trans.htm Neil Young - Greendale [ Post Comment ] Comment #20 posted by FoM on November 18, 2003 at 20:41:40 PT Virgil About the comment about the Rotts and shows and way of thinking about it all. I spent many years competing in horse shows. You knew by who was the scheduled judge who would win unless they seriously messed up. I had a judge who liked my horse and I knew that I would always do well when I showed under him. Horses and dog competitions etc. are very political. Maybe that's why I don't like politics. I saw enough of politics in what I did. I think dogs should be allowed to compete natural. I personally like a cropped tail on a Rott because when they have a long tail and wag it they could clear a coffee table with one swoosh! LOL!PS: When we raised Weimaraners I docked the tails myself. My Vet taught me how so I wouldn't need to bring them in to be done. [ Post Comment ] Comment #19 posted by Shishaldin on November 18, 2003 at 16:07:00 PT Datsuns... ...are for racing: http://www.datsunrestore.com/custom2.htmlDachsunds are cute, stubby-legged dogs with long snouts that are killer rodent hunters (I had two): http://hometown.aol.com/Oceandoxie/dachshund.htmlHave a good one all,Shishaldin [ Post Comment ] Comment #18 posted by FoM on November 18, 2003 at 15:28:38 PT Virgil I think I understand what you are saying and if I do understand correctly I agree with you. [ Post Comment ] Comment #17 posted by Virgil on November 18, 2003 at 15:07:40 PT My real point was not clear The point I was trying to reach was that Americans, as in the AKC, can stonewall any position as wrong headed as it may be. Reason plays no part once the position is taken. They do not even want to hear reason. They just look for partners with more cement.EJ, I do not believe that either about the small dog theory. It is too broad for one thing. Datsun's were breed to hunt something that tunneled and terriers probably defended people from small animals while consuming as little food as possible. I had some doubt about that and it probably what made me mention it at all. I have an original line on perspective. Everyone has heard that dog is man's best friend. One thing is more true. Man is dog's best friend. [ Post Comment ] Comment #16 posted by FoM on November 18, 2003 at 14:13:39 PT Virgil Germany is supplemented by the government for their horse breeding program or they were. I don't know about Rotts or other German dogs but the horses were. Germany eliminates any animal that shows flaws like my male has from a breeding program. He is way too tall but worse has an eye problem which is hereditary and will need surgery to correct. Many people would breed him and hope for the best but I won't. People that raise puerbred dogs need to really understand the responsibility that goes along with what they do. The pictures of the Rotts in your links are very nice and solid looking. [ Post Comment ] Comment #15 posted by E_Johnson on November 18, 2003 at 13:58:47 PT The modern point of view on dogs is just modern "I see this fits so I will squeeze this irrelevancy in. Joe Hedl was talking about the origin of small dogs and said in the 1400's in Europe people were plaqued by fleas and lice. He said they bred small to dogs to that they could hold in their lap and the fleas and lice would jump on the dog. Then they would take the dog outside and shake him out and that is how we got the term fleabag. He says it is the truth three time"I have to say, I find myself in disagreement with all of these materiatisc utilitarian explanations for the human dog relationship.Emotion is involved. People have lap dogs because of emotion. People have dogs because of emotion.That's my theory.The people whose jobs it is to explain things to everyone else these days like to argue from the standpoint of modern rationalistic materialism.Let's find a material rationalization for this behavior. It clearly must be economic in origin.Let's see. Humans obviously domesticated dogs because they gained some finite measurable material advantage from doing so. Guarding the flocks. Hunting. Garbage disposing. Flea catching.It couldn't all be about our frightened lonely selves looking for love, could it?Did the love part just fall out accidentally while we were busy fulfilling our true calling as rational material economic units?To a certain degree, I hate the modern version of the world. I hate modern philsophy, because it's all about dead things, even the living things are expected to act as if they might as well be dead. [ Post Comment ] Comment #14 posted by FoM on November 18, 2003 at 13:57:30 PT Virgil Thank you! I want to spend sometime on your post and I will a little later on when I get done with what I'm trying to do now. I goofed up big time with my one NY page. I copied over it. It was a page with reviews of Greendale from back in June. I have trying to find it somewhere where it might be archived but so far no luck. I know better then what I did but I did it anyway. About Rotts. I love them. It is a real shame that my male Rott can't be used for breeding but he has flaws that could be passed on and I won't do that no matter how beautiful he is. [ Post Comment ] Comment #13 posted by Virgil on November 18, 2003 at 13:39:12 PT On rottweilers I have a slight point but I want this is mainly for FoM. The North Carolina Rottweiller Verein did its show sanctioned by the ARV- http://www.arv.org - this last weekend in Mt. Ulla. A chapter has to do one show a year to meet their obligations to the ARV. Now it is not like this is some big organization. The guy that put the show on said there were six members and when I ask my friend that host the show on his field said there are not that many.I see this fits so I will squeeze this irrelevancy in. Joe Hedl was talking about the origin of small dogs and said in the 1400's in Europe people were plaqued by fleas and lice. He said they bred small to dogs to that they could hold in their lap and the fleas and lice would jump on the dog. Then they would take the dog outside and shake him out and that is how we got the term fleabag. He says it is the truth three times.I do not know if he meant he is not a member any more or the woman that just started the Mid-Atlantic Rotweiler Klub reduced the number. She has a website here- http://www.Geocities.com/goldmoor_rottweilers/ Her name is Marge Gold and she is proud of the spelling that makes MARK possible.The show of Oct 4-6 has its pictures up at http://www.dkstarr.com/show_photos.htm The show that ended Sunday is listed but pictures are not up yet and it probably should read North Carolina RV instead of RC.I have a point as small as it is. The first is that things split along lines of power, money, or principle, as anyone that attends church would know. Well, there are personal reasons too. Anyway Marge Gold was instrumental in starting the ARC some 30 years ago and is a breeder and as true to the breed as a person could be. She is idea logical where others in the ARC or ARV are breeders and make their livelihood at it. Anyway, the ARV split from the ARC, which Marge opposed for interest of the breed. But here comes my point.The American Rottweiler as we know it started in the 60’s with the early 70’s and the creation of the ARC- http://www.amrottclub.org/ Maybe it says at their website although it is not much relevant. The point is this and it is a big ideological difference over tails on Rottweilers. As you can see, I do not have that much curiosity about the subject, but there is one divisive and ideological stance that reminds me of the cannabis situation.Germany is it when it comes to Rotty’s. They make people send pictures of dog’s locked up in intercourse to verify the father. They make dog’s match a tattoo in their ear when they have their hips certified. Big dogs have problems with their hips and certification is about breeding the problem away. They have a breed book with litters that has nothing comparable to it in the US. Now in Germany a dog has to have a tail to be in a show. No exceptions. Now the big daddy of dogs in the US of course is the AKC and they absolutely do not let a dog show that does not have a doc tail or its tail removed. In the ARV it does not matter and probably not in the ARC, although I could be wrong. So the German approach says a dog is born with a tail and we want to see the whole dog. The AKC is all about money is about all I know about them. But they have their own kind of gateway theory. People with other breeds that have cropped ears or cut tails have an interest in seeing that the door to change stays locked much less closed. That is my point. But then you have people in the ARV that say very logically, how can you discriminate against the natural dog. The dog is born with a tail for goodness sakes. It is about like us when we say that Cannabis is a plant for goodness sake. If you cannot see that, then how the hell are we to talk sense to you?Now soup is always relevant. They held the banquet at Fat Boy’s in Mooresville which is a private restaurant. If doughnut man wants to find me all he has to do is ask who has been there best customer over the last 30 years and they will probably think of me. It is right off of I-77 and is the place to stop at exit 36 if you ask me. They have a great buffet, but for some reason they really have good soup. There is only one thing that could make it better.So Saturday Night was seafood buffet and they had the conference room. I was not going to go, but when they wanted my computer for critics on it, I had to hit them up for free dinner. I am about to lose my status as best customer ever under a starve the economy and have a thrifty meal philosophy. Anyway the judge was Joe Hedl from Chicago.and he is as big a player in the American scene on rottweilers as anybody. I think he helped start the ARC and ARV. Anyway he is a highly extroverted German that moved to America when he was 10 and was on Ellis Island the last three days before it closed. So he talked all through dinner and shared a real depth of knowledge like some Cnewsers will as we put all the pieces together as the years go by.The reason I mention him is because of his expression of judges painting themselves into a corner. They might cut a deal with someone to let their dog win say to get a job judging in Hawaii. And then they would cut another deal for something else all the while painting themselves closer to the corner. Eventually they would have crossed so many people they could not get any job as they had painted themselves in the corner. Now with federal MJ policy, they are already painted into the room. They do not have to do any painting. It is with each person coming to see the reality of the situation that they are pushed back. Eighty percent of the MMJ room is painted. They might not be in the corner, but they are trapped just the same and we are still painting. [ Post Comment ] Comment #12 posted by Jose Melendez on November 18, 2003 at 12:53:14 PT gambling, offshore from:http://www.casino.org/exchange/03/06/01 at 9:00PM EST - Warren Eugene speaks about the benefits of having your corporation offshore, and of listing on the Internet Stock Exchange. [ Post Comment ] Comment #11 posted by FoM on November 18, 2003 at 12:41:49 PT More Information on Medical Cannabis Inc. From Online Casinos to Cannabis Warren Eugene, considered one of the pioneers of Internet gambling and electronic cash from 1995 to 2003 (www.casino.org) and prominently featured in Playboy, Time Magazine, The Wall Street Journal (WSJ), USA Today, CNN, CBS, CBC and Wired magazines is now back in action betting on a plant.Eugen's company Medical Cannabis Inc., is in negotiation with an unnamed public company, and has agreed to offload or sell 51 percent ownership to the public company with an option on the reminder 49 percent equity. The deal is expected to close this week.Warren Eugene, the Chairman of Medical Cannabis Inc. says that the deal is a unique business proposal considering the fact that as a public company the corporate is considering making money in a legal way from the marijuana industry. In the latest November issue of Forbes Magazine, the report analyzes that the controversial and widely banned plant is extremely lucrative. For instance, Canada's marijuana crop is estimated at $4 billion to $7 billion, and the report adds that if the crop production were controlled by a single corporate entity, the revenues would exceed Canada's oil, gas and agricultural industries. There are estimated to be over 400,000 Canadians who would need medicinal cannabis. Eugene estimates the market in Canada alone may exceed 10,000,000 Canadians for medical cannabis.On October 7 this year, Canadian courts ruled that businesses and individuals be allowed to grow and supply large amounts of medical marijuana. The U.S Supreme Court followed suit and in October 2003, the federal ban of medical marijuana and prosecution of doctors was lifted. The government is expected to approve Bill C-38 or a derivative of that Bill by February 2004, which insures Canadians have the right to possess up to 15 grams of non-medical marijuana. http://www.onlinecasinonews.com/ocnv2_1/article/article.asp?id=4411 [ Post Comment ] Comment #10 posted by FoM on November 18, 2003 at 12:14:06 PT Thanks Virgil! I liked the transcripts so much I put them on a page. I like Neil Young because I think the same as he does about life and how he deals with it!Neil Young Rocks On: http://www.freedomtoexhale.com/trans.htm Neil Young - Greendale [ Post Comment ] Comment #9 posted by Virgil on November 18, 2003 at 12:05:34 PT Neil Young on the media From http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2003/s992079.htmNEIL YOUNG: My father was a media man.He was a journalist.And I've been around the media my whole life and I know there's a mission there.And I know there's a great struggle for integrity.And, you know, I think that a lot of the old hardliners, the old -- not hardliners but the old Walter Cronkites and the Edward R Murrows and those types, they defined what it was supposed to be about.And now the line between reality TV and reality and news and entertainment and everything is all blurred and really people's lives are at stake.So it seems like, you know, when you have a Madison Avenue type of marketing team behind a war program, working to give a good slogan to the war so the American people and people around the world will get behind the shock and awe of something or they give it a title.They market it like it was a new product, and I just -- to me, that's -- the line is blurred.Maybe I'm out of place in today's world, but that I really care.I'm just -- that's how I feel. [ Post Comment ] Comment #8 posted by FoM on November 18, 2003 at 11:09:03 PT Question Who is Medical Cannabis Inc.? I mean who is in control of this company? [ Post Comment ] Comment #7 posted by Jose Melendez on November 18, 2003 at 10:56:40 PT looks like great stocking stuffers http://www.wunderland.com/LooneyLabs/StonerFluxx/GameCardSamples.html [ Post Comment ] Comment #6 posted by FoM on November 18, 2003 at 10:56:11 PT Press Release: Medical Cannabis Inc. Correction - Medical Cannabis Inc.Tuesday November 18, 2003In TO098, Medical Cannabis Inc.: The World's First Publicly-Traded Marijuana Company, sent at 09:15e today, the contact telephone number and email address have been corrected to read "(416) 863-3833, warren fedxmail.com" not "(416) 863-1833, warren fedxrnail.com" as previously stated. Full corrected copy follows: TORONTO, Nov. 18 /PRNewswire/ - Medical Cannabis Inc. (the 'Company'), is in negotiation with a TSX/NASD:BB public company, pursuant to which the Company, Medical Cannabis Inc., has agreed to sell 51% ownership to the public company and an option on the additional 49%. The agreement may be concluded this week. "I believe people will support the offering in the public markets and it would be a favourable way to participate in an often-considered imaginative endeavor. What is unique about this business proposal is that as a public company everyone now has a sincere and legal way to potentially make money in a budding marijuana industry. The stock can go sky-high," comments Mr. Warren Eugene, Chairman of Medical Cannabis Inc. "The company views the current prohibition of marijuana as similar to that of alcohol and tobacco. If Sam Bronfman were alive today, he may very well be lobbying the government for bonded cannabis warehouses."Forbes Magazine recently reported in November 2003 that the controversial plant holds an important place in world history and culture, not to mention business. Canada's marijuana crop is estimated at $4 billion to $7 billion. If it were controlled by a single company, it would be larger than Canada's oil and gas businesses and Canada's agricultural industries.On October 7, Canadian courts ruled that businesses and individuals be allowed to grow and supply large amounts of medical marijuana, effectively relieving the Canadian government of its often criticized and fairly unsuccessful attempts. Comments Eugene, "The Canadian courts understood, in plain terms, that if your loved ones were sick, would you deny them and Aspirin (TM) to make them feel better?"The Ontario Superior Court decision greatly assisted our company. We can grow marijuana for unlimited number of exempted people. In terms of supply and cultivation, you can now pay people to grow it for you. The ruling makes it easier for sick people to get marijuana by allowing them better access and more choice. Health Canada estimates that 400,000 Canadians may require medicinal cannabis."In October 2003, the United States Supreme Court lifted the federal ban of medical marijuana and prosecution of doctors. "This may open the doors to a larger international market for our company," says Eugene.Warren Eugene is best known as the pioneer of Internet gambling and electronic cash from 1995 to 2003 (www.casino.org) and created the opportunity for the transaction of billions of dollars over the Internet. Mr. Eugene has been featured in Playboy, Time Magazine, The Wall Street Journal, PBS, USA Today, CNN, CBS, CBC and Wired, as well as the international media."The grass roots movements have made way for the corporate initiative, promoting the safe use of medicinal cannabis. We have improved the delivery, packaging and the costs," states Eugene. The government, as of February 2004, may approve Bill C-38 or a derivative of that Bill. The Bill insures Canadians have the right to possess up to 15 grams of non-medical marijuana."More likely the Supreme Court may make a favorable decision. We anticipate that outcome. It would make good economic and political sense to regulate and tax marijuana as they do tobacco and alcohol. This is a risky opportunity and I'm speculating that the courts and/or Parliament will decriminalize marijuana and allow Medical Cannabis Inc. to grow and distribute under government license. This will happen in several countries next year. The market in Canada alone may exceed 10,000,000 Canadians." Source: Medical Cannabis Inc. [ Post Comment ] Comment #5 posted by Jose Melendez on November 18, 2003 at 10:54:46 PT test THIS! from:http://www.kvia.com/Global/story.asp?S=1502817CLAIM:"The head of the federal drug office says the marijuana available today is much stronger and potentially more dangerous than the variety that was circulating in the 1960s."ANSWER: Restrictions in supply lead to increased demand for smaller and more powerful drugs. What do YOU think? IS DRUG WAR LEGAL? [ Post Comment ] Comment #4 posted by FoM on November 18, 2003 at 10:27:59 PT Looney Labs Introduces Stoner Fluxx Popular Card Game to Support Marijuana Legalization and Drug Peace Movement.COLLEGE PARK, MD -- (MARKET WIRE) -- 11/18/2003 -- Looney Labs, the game company that created the popular Fluxx™ card game, has announced the introduction of Stoner Fluxx™; a version of Fluxx being marketed as a fundraiser for the legalization of marijuana and the drug peace movement. In publishing a stoner version of its hit card game, Looney Labs hopes to give the drug peace movement a little more of the two things it needs most: exposure and funding. For each deck sold Looney Labs has pledged to donate $1 to organizations seeking to reform American drug policy. "We believe the public is ready to start openly talking about the need to end the drug war, yet the topic of legalization has been so taboo that people have been afraid to bring up the subject," stated Andrew Looney, co-founder and Creative Director of Looney Labs. "We're hoping that a fun and easy card game will be a good way to break the ice. Party games usually are." Groups benefiting from sales of Stoner Fluxx, which retails for $13, include NORML (National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws), the Drug Policy Alliance, MPP (Marijuana Policy Project) and StopTheDrugWar.com, among others. Complete Article: http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=60169 [ Post Comment ] Comment #3 posted by FoM on November 18, 2003 at 09:42:20 PT Off Topic The news is getting really weird today. We just watched Lynyrd Skynyrd sing a song on FoxNews. Last night O'Reilly talked about a show that will be on Fox Channel where Lionel Richie's daughter is one of the stars of this new show. She got arrested for Heroin. Now they are at Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch with a search warrant. Weird, weird, weird. [ Post Comment ] Comment #2 posted by Jose Melendez on November 18, 2003 at 08:42:38 PT Walters lies by omission of material fact. "The tendency is to talk about marijuana as if it was trivial,'' but it is an increasingly serious drug problem, Walters said. He said youths are smoking marijuana at earlier ages than ever before, and "more teenagers are seeking treatment for marijuana dependency than for all other drugs combined.'' - John WaltersThat's because almost no other drug use or violent crime, including murder, incurs the harsh penalties imposed on those who use marijuana.Yet no one, including CNN, NPR, Univision, Slate, Insight Magazine, Reuter's or UPI will point this fact out in contrast to the drug czar's long held and easily disputed position. [ Post Comment ] Comment #1 posted by FoM on November 18, 2003 at 08:20:17 PT What Will The Governor Say About This? I sure hope Arnold is informed of what Walters is doing and saying in his state. [ Post Comment ] Post Comment