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The Last Minority To Stand Up
Posted by CN Staff on August 06, 2003 at 12:30:14 PT
By Stephen Simac
Source: Coastal Post
When the Supreme Court struck down the Texas law against gay sex, the last minority in America who can be legally prosecuted for private, consensual behavior by adults are cannabis users. That doesn't include users of other illegal drugs, incest, prostitution or even "man on dog" as Senator Santorum of PA predicted the decision would lead to legalizing. (Pat Robertson is praying for some judges to retire or die off to prevent that.)But for rhetorical purposes, marijuana consumers are now the last minority, certainly the largest minority, without the constitutional right to pursue their happiness. 
This is the same supreme court that appointed Bush president while declaring that their unprecedented decision would not set precedent for other elections. They didn't invoke this unprecedented non-precedental clause when they came up with another unprecedented decision.They ruled that the ancient common law defense of medical necessity was no longer our right. If you are a ganja grower you have no right of medical necessity, which requires you to break the law to prevent greater harm to yourself or others. The supreme court justices ruled that sick medical marijuana users or their caregivers can be arrested, tried and jailed for growing their own prescription.It's basically a death sentence for some sick people to serve prison time without their medicine. This is not cruel and unusual punishment according to the Supremes.A federal district judge, Stephen (lil' bro') Myers, whose big brother is on the supreme court, wouldn't allow Ed Rosenthal, the "guru of growers" tell a jury that he was appointed by the Oakland city government to legally grow marijuana for sick people under California state law and local ordinances. He cited their precedent setting ruling against medical necessity. Rosenthal was busted by the Feds however. He faced up to ten years in prison on their charges. Absent this vital information from their deliberation the jurors convicted him as a gangland ganja dealer. They found out shortly afterwards from a news reporter that Rosenthal was a legal officer of Oakland city. He was deputized specifically to grow pot for registered sick people using marijuana to alleviate their pain and suffering. The jurors believed they were doing their jobs by following federal law, which makes no exception for medical marijuana. The jurors are actually citizens of the state of California where medical marijuana has been legal since prop 215 won in 1996. The jurors had been fooled by the "justice" system and Judge Myers who prevented them from hearing the entire facts of the case. Incredibly Myers wrote in his ruling that he did not prevent jury nullification, the constitutional right of the jury to rule on the justice of the law in each case not merely the facts of the law. What they didn't know didn't hurt them or blind justice. The jurors were so humiliated by their judicial hoodwinking that they went on talk shows and were quoted in the news for weeks about the case. When sentencing Rosenthal, Myers gave him only probation, hoping he wouldn't appeal and the whole thing would just go away. A Short History Of Human RightsLaw and Justice are not synonyms. There is an essential imbalance between the power of government's legal weight and the backs of the people governed. Over centuries English people stood up from their knees to throw off some of the weight of government tyranny. Their common law rights were gained over centuries by pitchforks and whatnot. These were commonly known, not written down until much later by a lawyer. The Magna Carta is a written document of rights for feudal nobles who were fed up with the centralized power of King John. It was drawn up by their lawyers.They marched on London with their troops of knights and forced him to sign it. The nobles did not extend their newly signed rights to their own serfs, peasants or tradesmen. These groups had to negotiate or fight for their own rights or they would be squeezed by coils of laws.The American revolution was founded on English common law rights with an added twist. The trailblazing Declaration of Independence said life, liberty and the pursuit of Happiness were inalienable rights. Our Constitution, amended with the Bill of Rights, gave white, male citizens of the united states more freedom, justice and liberty than a wealthy lord in England, theoretically.Europeans came up with life, liberty and fraternity in the French Revolution which collapsed into chaos, rose into an empire then collapsed again. Most of Europe was freed from feudalism by Napoleon, but got stuck with the limited rights of the Napoleonic code. These give government a firm leash on liberty, which quickly gets out of hand.An Hour Early, A Day LateAmericans are in love with liberty and individualism, yet various minorities in America have come together. They've struggled and succeeded in gaining the same rights as a rich, white man of old England, theoretically.Only pot heads and other reviled, unorganized minorities are left for the government to persecute now that sodomy is legal. Let's hope that marijuana smokers get it together before Lassie lovers, at least.There is a loophole in the illogic of these supreme court rulings making gay sex legal because it is private and consensual while cannabis consumers can constitutionally be crushed by the system. Arrested, property seized, kids taken, forced into rehab, fined or put in jail. The obvious legal defense is that these Joints are not for getting high, they are sex objects, a la Bill Clinton's cigar or for autoerotic asphyxiation through spliff smoking. If you're are using marijuana as medicine though, you have no federal right to justify your breaking of federal statute.This statute was drawn up by the DEA and passed by a 70's show of hands Congress with no evidence to support making marijuana schedule 1, more restrictive than hard drugs. The DEA's own administrative judge in 1987 ruled the legal status of cannabis must be changed to allow it to be prescribed as medication.The medical necessity defense is basic to English common law. This code is the foundation of our American republic's legal system as declared in numerous supreme court rulings. It includes habeus corpus (bringing the person charged to a public hearing), their right to face their accuser, public testimony during a trial and jury nullification (the right of the jurors to strike down a law as unjust in their particular case). Call me sentimental, but I miss our constitutional and common law rights.According to the Supreme Court siren song for medical necessity rights, deathly ill people who use marijuana to relieve their symptoms or improve their conditions have no more rights than recreational users who do bong hits before breakfast or wind down with a joint at sunset. These recreational users, including presidents and basketball stars, have fewer rights than endangered pond scum species. Nanuk Of The North We're all in the same boat, sick or healthy, contagious or in wheelchairs, naked before the law with no rights to our particular pursuit of happiness or relief of pain. Not that long ago, cops could whack all the "pot smoking, hippie faggots" they wanted. They didn't need any excuses to beat dark skinned and/or poor people if they felt like it. Now they can only pound on potheads as other groups of minorities got together and forced change on the judicial and political establishment. Stoners have been hiding in their closets puffing away, too apathetic to get involved. Medical marijuana rights in California were fought for by AIDS activists, mostly. Gays succeeded in gaining their constitutional right to have sex in privacy but tokers are still in the closet.Canada, Home of the Brave and Land of the Free, had several federal judicial decisions strike down cannabis possession laws and homosexual marriage bans. The Bush team has been talking about closing the border with Canada, while dreaming of regime change or preemptive bombing. Thousands of Americans have been flocking north to gain some relief from their own government's denial of their basic rights to privacy and pursuit of happiness. The Rolling Stones even played a cheap ticket concert in Toronto to make up for the SARS scare.American medical marijuana patients have sought refugee status in Canada to escape US persecution. Gays are going up to get married. Smokers are going up to sit in cafes and get high. This could trigger off the greatest wave of United States political refugees fleeing to Canada since the Vietnam War. That was the largest number since Tories fled there from Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness during the American Revolutionary War. Source: Coastal Post, The (CA)Author: Stephen SimacPublished: August 7, 2003Copyright: 2003 The Coastal PostContact: editor coastalpost.comWebsite: http://www.coastalpost.com/Ed Rosenthal's Pictures & Articleshttp://freedomtoexhale.com/trialpics.htmCannabisNews -- Cannabis Archiveshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/list/cannabis.shtml
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Comment #76 posted by Ivo on August 08, 2003 at 20:31:50 PT:
Never plea bargin! 12 people, chances are good
Cannabis is legal!!! US Constitution title 22, chapter 73, + Universal Decleration of Human Rights. Plus check out this link!! 
Cannabis church!
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Comment #75 posted by firedog on August 08, 2003 at 12:35:39 PT
Arthropod
The one thing I have to say is, don't give up!Fight this all the way and try to keep your record clean. Not only does this clog the system as others have said, but it might save your ass. The last thing you want is a record for possession of marijuana. While the penalties may seem relatively minor at first, it brands you as a second-class citizen, subject to all kinds of legal discrimination, both in the US and outside it. In any future roadside stop, they'll know your sordid past. Applying for financial aid to college? Forget it. With this kind of record, you may even be refused entry to Canada.The people who used to be able to discriminate against blacks, gays, etc. can no longer do so (openly, at least). So they've had to turn their hatred elsewhere, and we're the unlucky recipients. It's interesting to note that the drug war really got started around the time of the civil rights movement in the South. As institutionalized discrimination against groups based on race, sex, or orientation was eliminated, a new kind of institutionalized discrimination rose to take its place. It's the same old game, the names have just changed.I liked this article for many reasons. One is that is points out that we are a persecuted minority, subject to institutionalized discrimination for our political and or religious views. Many people have not made that connection, not even fellow "potheads".Once people start to really recognize what's going on for what it really is, things will start to change a bit more, I think.
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Comment #74 posted by Arthropod on August 08, 2003 at 10:32:06 PT:
Lehder
I know, and these people are the reason I hate our benevolent govt. so badly. The govt. goes on and on about "protecting the children", but what happens when you take these same children away from their parents? The govt. seems to think that a foster home or, even worse, an orphanage, is a better place for these children than being with their parents. God forbid the children be scarred for life by seeing their parents turn into bats or run around murdering random people because they were hooked on the dangerous drug known to man. Sorry about the rambling, but my point is I know how bad things could have been, and frequently are, that's why I feel so lucky that I was given this one chance at a "get out of jail almost free" card. The one good thing to come out of this is that Norml and the ACLU have just found themselves a new member.
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Comment #73 posted by Lehder on August 08, 2003 at 10:12:03 PT
Anthropod
Your circumstances are special insofar as you are not facing property forfeiture or prison. Under these harsher threats, people are forced to bargain for their lives and family."What if everyone were a doctor?" -- Harry BrowneGood luck to you. Maybe you can go to a NORML meeting or someplace where you might find some people who have already been down your road.
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Comment #72 posted by Arthropod on August 08, 2003 at 10:01:53 PT:
Lehder
Just imagine if everyone who is charged with a cannabis offense were to take their case to trial instead of pleading guilty. The judicial system would clog up within a matter of days, forcing the govt. to rethink their options.
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Comment #71 posted by Lehder on August 08, 2003 at 09:57:34 PT
Anthropod
If found guilty you will pay a fine and, since marijuana was allegedly found in a car, at least some of those convicted may lose driver's licenses. Be glad that you are not going to jail and not losing your home or kids.Going to trial has nothing to do with jamming up the system. It's your right to have a public airing of the charges and to confront the witnesses against you and to be represented by an attorney. You may draw a bigoted judge so far as mj goes, but he's not going to hold a not guilty plea against you. As someone who both exercises his civil rights and comments on the Internet, your shared observations and insights will be of benefit to many. So do everyone, yourself included, a favor - hire a lawyer who knows these cases.
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Comment #70 posted by Virgil on August 08, 2003 at 08:34:38 PT
Anthropod
I have said a lot of things but I really have never said clog up the system, mainly because several other people have. In your case, I would definetly fight it, but I would use an attorney. I sent you an email yesterday. For those people that see the E-mail blank when you go to post a comment and do not know, you do not have to fill that in. If you fill your moniker appears eith an underline and people can send you e-mail.The main strategy of the prohibitionists is to make laws so draconian that people have to plea because the system will railroad them to some unbelievably harsh sentences. In your case, you do not have that much to lose so you do not have to plea. I would not take a court appointed attorney unless I had to because if you lose, you will have to pay the attorney. The system does not want to pay any attorneys fees so the system and the lawyers that are rewarded by all the bogus cannabis charges will have a vested interest in getting money from you instead of hurting the system.Probable cause is a very big deal and I personally think you should not have even been asked to be searched much less searched without permission.I have suggested before that bus loads of retired people with nothing to lose should show up in a location with not so harsh laws with a single seedling. It would make the news and make a statement and show all at the same time. Now if I were writing a script for a movie, I would have them stay in jail as they are retired and their would be group protection and they should have a few lawyers in their ready to sue. But the main thing would be to see when penalties increase on the size of the plant. I think 100 grams of plant is a misdemeanor in North Carolina. What if the seedling is 1 inch high? What if it is 3 inches high? Anyway, at some point as the absurdity and wrongness of the cannabis laws set in on people's conscience and patriotism, I could see how a direct challenge like that could be a badge of honor and an act of true patriotism. It would be along the lines of the Indians going to their own source for salt and not buying British and getting clubbed as in the movie "Ghandi."Yes, I am for defeating the system by gaming the system as best as possible, but unfortunately the system is set up with harsh sentences to generate plea agreements to keep it out of the eyes of a jury, the public, and any press that might not have sold out. If I were on a jury, you would be walking and the police would have egg on their face. I say you will show up for trial so that they will have screwed with you to the max and the judge will throw it out because of no probable cause. Now where I live, if you go in front of a judge without a lawyer, you are going to be declared guilty and without exception. The system all but requires a person to have an attorney, at least here.
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Comment #69 posted by Arthropod on August 08, 2003 at 07:51:53 PT:
freedom fighter
Trust me, I plan on fighting this. I just gotta know how to fight it so that I have a chance in hell of winning, hence the reason I came here for help. I may be scared of court to begin with, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna take this bullshit sitting down peacefully. As I believe Virgil said, clog up the system! Put the fight to them! When they realize that every single offender is going to take their case to trial whether they guilty or not, they might just think twice before they pull somebody over. Especially when the cops realize that they have to show up for each and every case or it is thrown out.
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Comment #68 posted by freedom fighter on August 08, 2003 at 00:20:39 PT
Miranda rights?
ahh..,, bahhhh,,,spittttt! means nothing to me... Ok... I am not a lawyer...  I just know what it is like being charged with a felony for growing a plant... In your case, it's just misemendor.. You can fight this if you want.. If your friend is a minor and he saw someone killing someone, would the judge not accept his testimony?What more? If what you spoke out, it is probably recorded in that cop car where your friend was sitting and heard you..You can find out more by going to courthouse and demand a discovery statement on yur case... I am sure the clerks will be amazed! Will cost you 25 bucks or so.. Usually, folks who are charge with felony would do so..That's the thing about this stupid country that pissed the dick out of me!99.9% will plead guilty knowing it means no jack rabbit s*%t but to just so the few! Ain't blamin the 99.9% who are going through the systemm.. Been there and back??I am not a lawyer... If anyone would dare say that I am one..I got a stone that is vewy huge.... Want to find out how many pounds??ahhh!pazff
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Comment #67 posted by afterburner on August 07, 2003 at 23:40:06 PT:
Unfortunately, ...
All Too Real to Those Caught in Its Net."The pretend war on some ( politically selected ) drugs" --CN BC: PUB LTE: No One' Cares 07 Aug 2003 
Nelson Daily News 
http://www.mapinc.org/newscc/v03/n1192/a06.html?397CN AB: PUB LTE: Separate Hard Drugs From Marijuana 06 Aug 2003 
Edmonton Sun 
http://www.mapinc.org/newscc/v03/n1192/a05.html?397
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Comment #66 posted by Arthropod on August 07, 2003 at 17:59:48 PT:
freedom fighter
Ya, Derek was in the cruiser with his door open. He heard me say that I didn't consent to a search, heard the cop arrest me after the illegal search and most importantly, didn't hear the cop read me my Miranda rights. The only problem is that Derek is a minor, I don't know if I'll be allowed to use his testimony in court.
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Comment #65 posted by freedom fighter on August 07, 2003 at 17:20:56 PT
That's a good news for the Ohioians...
Also I reread your post below and you stated that you told cop that you do not consent the search which is good. I wondered if you got witness that heard you tell the cop? I hope so..You do have a chance... but its all up to you... take care.. pazff 
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Comment #64 posted by FoM on August 07, 2003 at 15:20:50 PT
Arthropod This Might Help You!
Ohio Constitution Prohibits Minor Misdemeanor ArrestsFrom staff and wire reports 
COLUMBUS -- The state constitution prohibits arrests and searches of people stopped by police for minor misdemeanor offenses, the Ohio Supreme Court ruled Wednesday. The misdemeanors in question, such as jaywalking or not wearing a seat belt, normally would result in only a citation The court ruled 5-2 to exclude evidence from a Dayton drug case even though such arrests are permitted under the Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Lancaster Police Chief Randy Lutz doesn't expect the ruling to affect the department. "Currently, (officers) don't do searches during these types of minor misdemeanor arrests," he said. "If for some reason (an officer) would, we would ask permission first for the individual to be searched. It's their option." Justice Alice Robie Resnick acknowledged that Ohio courts traditionally have tried to match their rulings on the state constitution to federal court decisions interpreting the U.S. Constitution. However, she cited previous court cases in Ohio and Montana that held that state courts can provide greater civil liberties to individuals as long as they give at least as much protection as the federal Bill of Rights. The case before the Ohio Supreme Court involved a man arrested in April 2001 for drug possession after police stopped him for jaywalking. Originally Published Thursday, August 7, 2003Copyright: 2003 Lancaster Eagle-Gazettehttp://www.lancastereaglegazette.com/news/stories/20030807/localnews/15537.html
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Comment #63 posted by freedom fighter on August 07, 2003 at 10:38:28 PT
Arthropod 
If it is your first time, try not to worry about the jail but pay off the fines.. Ohio sounds a better place to be at than let's say, Alamaba. They might also take your driver's license away from you. Do'nt let that bad experience put a crimp on your plans on going to school. pazff
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Comment #62 posted by FoM on August 07, 2003 at 10:12:32 PT
Thanks phil
It makes sense.
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Comment #61 posted by FoM on August 07, 2003 at 09:48:06 PT
Arthropod 
I guess I don't know much about laws on paraphernalia. I know when they softened the laws on possession they raised them for paraphernalia. I only remember that because a nice shop about 30 miles from my home had to stop selling bowls, pipes etc. I never saw anywhere a person could buy a bowl etc. after the law was intensified and that was back in the late 70s if I remember correctly. If you want to buy a High Times you must go to a adult shop. 
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Comment #60 posted by phil_debowl on August 07, 2003 at 09:47:02 PT
FOM
You are correct FOM. Genetics are totally what control potency and weight. Giving the plant roots the maximum aeronation and it's optimal conditions will increase the potency a small amount, but mostly will just make them grow better and healthier giving more weight. It's sad a high school dropout knows more than a corporate newspaper. Not even gonna mention an uneducated cop, lol, they know everything.
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Comment #59 posted by Arthropod on August 07, 2003 at 09:38:19 PT:
FoM
It's not the fines I'm worried about, its the 30 day jail sentence that might go along with it. I'm starting ITT Tech on Sept. 8th, and it would look really bad if I was missing the first few days of school for being in jail. And, like you said, it could mess with my chances for a student loan and grants. And ya, the paraphanalia charge is the one that carries jail time. Messed up, ain't it?
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Comment #58 posted by E_Johnson on August 07, 2003 at 09:29:43 PT
BTW notice the dates
Amendment XVIII -- 1919 Alcohol illegalAmendment XIX -- 1921 -- Women can legally voteFDR elected -- 1932 -- First election where voting women determined the outcome, progressive women's groups support the Repeal candidate FDRAmendment XXI -- 1933 -- Alcohol legal again
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Comment #57 posted by FoM on August 07, 2003 at 08:32:49 PT
BGreen
Maybe my earlier comment wasn't correct but don't genetics and growing correctly determine strength and weight not if it's grown in water or grown in earth? I don't know.
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Comment #56 posted by FoM on August 07, 2003 at 07:59:32 PT
BGreen
That is sure a different spin on a story. I wasn't good in math but I do remember a gram is a gram is a gram! LOL!
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Comment #55 posted by FoM on August 07, 2003 at 07:15:14 PT
Arthropod 
I just checked and a paraphernalia fine can be $750.I thought it was $250 and I just looked. I know that possessing paraphernalia is worse the Cannabis possession.
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Comment #54 posted by FoM on August 07, 2003 at 07:08:31 PT
Arthropod 
These are Ohio Laws. You are probably looking at around $100 fine and maybe a $250 fine for the paraphernalia. That's my guess. If you are trying to get a student loan that could be a problem. Maybe SSDP could give you some advice in that area. http://www.ssdp.org/Let us know how it goes.http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4557Possession Less than 100 g - civil citation none $100 100 g to 200 g - misdemeanor none variable 
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Comment #53 posted by Arthropod on August 07, 2003 at 05:14:57 PT:
freedom fighter
While I won't say I'm poor, I can definately say I'm no rich kid. Me, my mom and lil sis are struggling to keep an $84,000 house in rural ohio. And representing myself scares me, mostly because I sound great on paper, but I don't actually know if my argument would stand in court or if I'm wasting my time.
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Comment #52 posted by goneposthole on August 07, 2003 at 05:01:33 PT
a cannabis liquor is legal
Looks like it, doesn't it?Amendment XVIII
(1919)Section 1. After one year from the ratification of this article the manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors within, the importation thereof into, or the exportation thereof from the United States and all territory subject to the jurisdiction thereof for beverage purposes is hereby prohibited.Section 2. The Congress and the several states shall have concurrent power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.Section 3. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of the several states, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the states by the Congress.Amendment XXI
(1933)Section 1. The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.Section 2. The transportation or importation into any state, territory, or possession of the United States for delivery or use therein of intoxicating liquors, in violation of the laws thereof, is hereby prohibited.Section 3. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by conventions in the several states, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the states by the Congress. http://memory.loc.gov/const/amend.html
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Comment #51 posted by Petard on August 07, 2003 at 02:26:41 PT
That Hydro Madness
Hey Rev, aren't ya glad they caught those addicted kids before they turned into bats, they were probably going to see some demonic jazz band in Arkansas. Just think of all the innocent people that were saved from those two, the women and children, the public mayhem averted. Why at that 7x strength it was only a matter of time till murder and assault followed by flying in bat form (that's why it's so light weight, greater lift) while their brain cells spontaneously erupted and bled into their spinal cord causing homelessness and eventually selling themselves into prostitution to support their addiction. Well, we all can use a ittle comic relief every once in a while anyway. :-) Oughta really be funny if it goes to trial and the defense attorney questions that cop about his obvious high level educational training in drug interdiction. 
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Comment #50 posted by BGreen on August 07, 2003 at 00:56:06 PT
FoM This article is so full of lies it's hilarious
I'm not making this up. This is from the Herald Democrat Newspaper from Sherman, TX. Check out the authors name! LOL! 	'Hydro-weed' found in car on U.S. Highway 75BY MARY JANE FARMERHERALD DEMOCRATThere are drugs and there are drugs, and Department of Public Safety Trooper Nick Granelli has seen his share of them all. But, he still is surprised when he catches drivers toting the more unusual drugs, such as the "hydro-weed" he found in a car going north on U.S. Highway 75 Saturday night.Hydro-weed, Granelli said, is marijuana that is grown in water. It is supposed to be about seven times as strong, he said, sending off a powerful odor.He saw the northbound car in a traffic violation, he said, and turned on lights to get it to stop. The car continued until it pulled off at the Lamar-Houston exit, then pulled into a gas station. Granelli was a little suspicious when he noticed the car pulled up to a pump on the wrong side of the car. He immediately noticed the smell of the marijuana. He called for backup and the DPS K-9 team out of Denton."The smell was coming out of the air vents and all of the clothing in the car. It was overwhelming," Granelli said.After a thorough search, troopers found three bags of hydro-weed stashed inside the car. "It weighs less than the usual marijuana," Granelli said.Granelli said it came from San Antonio and the driver and his passenger, both San Antonio residents age 18, were going to Arkansas. Both were arrested on charges of possession of marijuana.*******************************************************Can you believe some of the quotes?"Hydro-weed, Granelli said, is marijuana that is grown in water. It is supposed to be about seven times as strong, he said, sending off a powerful odor."What??? This is too much! LOL"After a thorough search, troopers found three bags of hydro-weed stashed inside the car. "It weighs less than the usual marijuana," Granelli said."Weighs less than the usual marijuana??? Stop it. You're killing me. I can't stop laughing!The Rev. Bud Green
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Comment #49 posted by freedom fighter on August 07, 2003 at 00:11:35 PT
Arthropod 
ahhh.... first of all where are you from??? Secondly, I suggest you represent yourself... Unless you are a rich kid.... From my experience, as much as I respect the NORML org... I sure fuck do not trust any damn lawyer that might try to advertise through the NORML... Sorry BGreen... I wasted 500 bucks on that shit.... I would'nt want put Anthropod through this... Heck, if you really want a good lawyer, call Keith Stroup himself! He is a lawyer!Like I said, I have nothing against the NORML.....pazff("ex"-POWD)
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Comment #48 posted by FoM on August 06, 2003 at 23:09:13 PT
EJ Maybe That's Why He Smokes Cigars!
I assume he still smokes cigars. It could be to mask the smell.
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Comment #47 posted by E_Johnson on August 06, 2003 at 23:06:24 PT
Tabloid gossip as well
There was an item in a tabloid when T3 first came out challenging readers to guess which aging action star had funny smelling smoke billowing from his trailer while making his last movie, and was now turning up on TV talk shows stoned to promote his new film.
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Comment #46 posted by BGreen on August 06, 2003 at 22:59:50 PT
Larry Flynt is a pretty freaky guy
He nor the porn actress have a ghost of a chance. Woody Harrelson played Flynt in the movie "The People Vs. Larry Flynt" (1996).This is the race with Arnold and Arianna. I know Arianna has spoken out against the war on drugs. I don't know what Arnold's feelings are. However, Arnold is an ass kissing republican that won't say anything against the shrub. Regardless of what was implied on Leno's show I'm sure Arnold will side with the feds and continue the attack on cannabis. No republican can take a stand against g.w.b. jr. and get any support from this administration or its puppets.The Rev. Bud Green
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Comment #45 posted by FoM on August 06, 2003 at 22:58:20 PT
312
I did see your comment but I didn't know what to say. Arnold or Arianna will stand the best chances from an American point of view but I'm not from California so I am guessing based on who I would like to be California's New Governor.PS: Even a comedian I like named Gallagher is running! It's still should be between Arnold and Arianna I believe.
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Comment #44 posted by 312 on August 06, 2003 at 22:48:52 PT
Did anyone read my comment on the last story?
On the news yesterday they said that 'Larry Flynt has announced that he will run for governor of California, on a platform of legalised drugs and prostitution' The news snippet was very brief.I was surprised to hear someone in the US standing for 'legalised drugs' and when I looked for further info, I could find very little about the drugs issue. All I found so far was this article from CNN http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/08/04/flynt.governor/It contained the following paragraph (well, two sentences), "He called the war on drugs a failure and said it must be dealt with, but Flynt did not propose any particular measures. He said he favors legalizing prostitution."Is this the same race that Arianna and Arnie are in? What's this guy like? I never heard of him before (though I have heard of Hustler). Are there three people standing now, or more? How many people are allowed to stand? Is he unpopular here so nobody is interested in my comment?
Larry Flynt announces run for California governor
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Comment #43 posted by BGreen on August 06, 2003 at 22:45:14 PT
Talk to a Lawyer!
NORML can get you in touch with a good lawyer in your area. We're a bunch of good people but we're not lawyers and your butt is on the line.The Rev. Bud Green
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Comment #42 posted by FoM on August 06, 2003 at 22:44:29 PT
Arthropod 
Since I'm not a lawyer I feel that I can't answer you're question and be sure I would be saying the right thing. I don't want to ask you what state but I can recommend that you check out the laws in your state from NORML.Find a Lawyer: http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3445State by State Laws: http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4516Maybe someone might know but hopefully these links can help you. Good Luck To You!
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Comment #41 posted by Arthropod on August 06, 2003 at 22:35:20 PT:
Pushing the Boundaries
Sorry if I'm sounding a little aggressive. A few weeks ago I was illegally searched and was found in possession of a quarter and paraphanalia(sp?). I've already had the case switched over to the county court from the mayor's court that the case was originally scheduled to take place at. I'm hoping that the officer that arrested me won't show up, so as to get my case thrown out without going to trial. Anyway, maybe someone here can advise me as to my legal situation. Me and two friends had stopped on the side of the road at about 10:00 p.m. to check out a faulty brakelight on my friends truck. About 30 seconds later a police officer shows up with a spotlight in our faces (it was pretty dark at this point, and the spot had the effect of blinding us). He asked for I.D., and asked who was driving the truck. Derrick showed his and Nick, the driver, answered and walked over to the cruiser to talk to him. I didn't have I.D. on me. At this point Derrick was sitting in the truck and I was standing outside, talking to him. Derrick was on the passenger side, with the door open. We decided to go around to the back of the truck (note: the officer had not made it clear that we were in trouble of any kind, and had not instructed us to do this) and sit on the tailgate. He apparantly had finished questioning Nick, and had called Derrick over to ask him a few questions. I figured he would want to see my I.D., so I went back around to the front of the truck to check and see if I had left it in the truck. I opened the passenger side door, got in without closing the door, and looked around the truck to see if I had dropped my wallet somewhere. I didn't see it anywhere, so I got back out. Immediately the officer ordered me in a loud voice to move around to the back of the truck and put my hands on the tailgate. I complied, and he moved over to me and started to tell me to get into the right position to move my feet back, ect. As I've never been arrested before, I didn't know the drill, so I moved my feet back farther and told him I wasn't trying to resist. He started kicking at my ankles (not hard enough to actually hurt, but starting to scare me at this point) and told me again to stop resisting. Once he finally had me in whatever he deemed the right position to be in, he started patting me down. I asked him why he was searching me. He told me that his reason was "Suspicious Behavior". I told him that I did not consent to a search but would not resist if he wasnted to go on. He did, and found an almost empty baggy in my pocket that had a small roach in it. He told me that I was under arrest for marijuana possession, cuffed me, then asked if there was anything in the truck. (Note: the officer did not read me my rights at any time during or after the arrest) I told him that there was a quarter and paraphanalia in the glovebox. He found them, searched the rest of the truck and found nothing else of interest. my story ends at this point, the rest is the usual dragging down to the station to write out the ticket and ect. bullshit. I found out later that he had searched both Nick and Derrick beforehand, his only reason as stated to Derrick, you guys are a suspicious looking bunch of kids out at night, that's my reason to search.(I couldn't see what what happening over by the police cruiser, that's why I found out later.)My question is, did he have a valid reason to search me or my friends in the first place? Do I even have a case with a decent lawyer on my side? I'm going to college in a month, I can't afford to go to jail over this.
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Comment #40 posted by FoM on August 06, 2003 at 22:16:41 PT
EJ, I Like It!!!
Isn't documenting important words fun fun fun! LOL! 
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Comment #39 posted by E_Johnson on August 06, 2003 at 22:10:15 PT
What Arnie said on Leno
Jay: So you met Snoop Dogg back in the green room. How did that go?Arnie: Jay, you don't even have to smoke a joint back there.(laughter)Then there was more banter that I don't remember about the possibility that Arnie was stoned.Then Snoop Dogg came out, baked like Alaska. Jay: How did you like meeting Arnie? Snoop: Oh yeah me and him we were back there chopping up some green I mean some game.Jay: Did you know he might be our next governor?Snoop: Ooo weee ... I'd like that.
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Comment #38 posted by lag on August 06, 2003 at 22:02:41 PT
arnie and the buds
Schwarzanegger has admitted to smoking pot in the past...I remember hearing about some controversy about him admitting he had smoked pot around his 'pumping iron' days.As for people standing up for themselves. I was referring to the sense of utter defeat in some people. I am not asking them to go to rallys or what not, but work in whatever way they can to push the boundaries, to at least be educated so you can educate others. I guess it's different in the Bay Area where I am pretty sure most white collar jobs don't test...so that is a good point, though, and one that is easy to forget around these parts. 
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Comment #37 posted by FoM on August 06, 2003 at 22:02:23 PT
EJ from an article in the SFC
Last year's re-release of the film that first made him a star in the United States, the acclaimed 1977 documentary "Pumping Iron," also brought scrutiny when it was noted that Schwarzenegger, then preparing to defend one of his bodybuilding titles, was seen smoking marijuana in one scene. When the film was re-released last November, Schwarzenegger said he supported leaving that scene in, telling The Associated Press that to have taken it out would have compromised the filmmaker's vision. "I did smoke a joint and I did inhale," he told the AP. "The bottom line is that's what it was in the '70s, that's what I did. I have never touched it since." Complete Article: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/08/06/national2146EDT0794.DTL
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Comment #36 posted by Virgil on August 06, 2003 at 22:00:39 PT
August 2, 1937 and August 2, 1977
We are in a situation where we need to eliminate the ignorance that is the main support of CP. It is hard to get all the stories straight and the one I wish I could tell would be the MMJ story of Washington, D.C.I am also more than pleased that Dan Gardner is writing weekly news on the Insane War on People that use cannabis. He will be a likely representative on the media when the issue finally breaks and it becomes the front burner issue. He is educated in the facts and if he meets prime time he will slay a lot of ignorance. I just noticed that Jimmy Carter made his famous statement 40 years to the day that Roosevelt signed the Marijuana Tax Act. Ignorance has taken another hit.August 2, 1977: President Jimmy Carter tells Congress, "Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself. Therefore, I support legislation amending Federal law to eliminate all Federal criminal penalties for the possession of up to one ounce of marijuana." 
  
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Comment #35 posted by E_Johnson on August 06, 2003 at 22:00:04 PT
Arnie vs. Arianna - the new age of politics?
Arnie would be in an interesting position as a closet pothead running against a pro-pot progressive. Snoop Dogg was very enthused about Arnie and it was hinted that his enthusiasm had to do with cannabinoids.
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Comment #34 posted by E_Johnson on August 06, 2003 at 21:51:31 PT
Isn't Arnie a closet pothead?
His appeareances on Jay Leno have been pretty suggestive. The first time his co-guest was a girl who made bracelets for supporting the troops in Iraq. The bracelets were made of --- hemp. The second time, his co-guest was Snoop Dogg, and their witty badinage strongly suggested that Arnie had inhaled some of the cannabinoid vapor that invariably circulates in the environ of Monsieur Dogg.So who would the prohibitionist candidate in this race eh?
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Comment #33 posted by FoM on August 06, 2003 at 21:19:02 PT
afterburner
Yes he did sidestep that question. 
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Comment #32 posted by afterburner on August 06, 2003 at 21:08:53 PT:
Re Comment #16
William Bennet sidestepped Lou's most important question about living in a drug culture, with prozac and alcohol, how can we be drug-free? Bennet said that some drugs are appropriate to use and some are not. Who decides this? The FDA? The DEA? Congress? Doctors? The States? HHS? The police? The voters?He said that some children first smoked marijuana at home with their parents, which he called a "recipe for disaster." The only difference between parents allowing their children to sample cannabis or sample a taste of wine or beer is the fact that cannabis is illegal. Think of the children: think of the tax money that could be available for schools, recreational programs, sports, music, and art if cannabis were legalized, regulated, and taxed. Children would be prohibited from buying cannabis, like they are prohibited from buying alcohol or tobacco. Think of the children whose parents would have work growing world-class American cannabis for adult smokers and medical users. ego transcendence follows ego destruction, stop the lies, stop the propaganda, stop demonizing adult smokers who use marijuana responsibly, stop arresting medical marijuana patients, doctors, and providers.
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Comment #31 posted by FoM on August 06, 2003 at 20:59:41 PT
Arthropod 
I agree with you that there are those that just don't believe it will happen. It will I think and many others do too.Ivo, thank you for the link! That's a nice web site.
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Comment #30 posted by freedom fighter on August 06, 2003 at 20:53:07 PT
Arnold, the Rottie!
:::::)))))Meaning no offense to all Rottie owners!What I wrote was an old private joke I used to shared among friends. I like Arnold as an actor and he sure looks like a male rottie about to take you know "what"!:)LOLOLOL!Disclaimer:( anyone who is under 18 should'nt read what I have just wrote. If you got there so far, I will take no responisbiltiy of what might happen to your mind!:)pazff
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Comment #29 posted by Ivo on August 06, 2003 at 20:48:30 PT:
minority?
I do not think cannabis users are a minority; I think we are the paranoide majority. Did you all know we DO have Freedom of Religion in this nation? Do you know what it says? Cannabis IS legal in the United States of America! And it is protected by our most prized freedom as Americans! Check out www.thc-ministry.org
cannabis church!
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Comment #28 posted by Arthropod on August 06, 2003 at 20:48:09 PT:
FoM
Even the ones that don't care,(I'm assuming you are referring only to cannabis users) maybe they don't think that caring will do anything to help them? It could be that they really don't know or believe that there is a chance in hell of cannabis prohibition ever ending? I thought the same thing for a long time before I found this site about a year ago.
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Comment #27 posted by FoM on August 06, 2003 at 20:37:31 PT
freedom fighter
I'm insulted! I have a Rottie and he is much more handsome then Arnold! LOL!
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Comment #26 posted by FoM on August 06, 2003 at 20:35:32 PT
freedom fighter
Yes him! I swear I just don't know. Arianna and Arnold. It might be interesting to watch how this goes.Arthropod, I don't believe anyone here was bashing anyone. There are people who just don't care. That's true. I'm scared all the time. I understand fear. 
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Comment #25 posted by freedom fighter on August 06, 2003 at 20:27:52 PT
Who Arnold?
You mean the guy who looks like a rotterwellier taking a s*&t and forgot his toliet paper?My gawd, is the dog all over the news??sigh!paz:)))ff
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Comment #24 posted by Arthropod on August 06, 2003 at 20:19:47 PT:
A thought...
How many cops would arrest someone for being gay? How high a chance do you think that charge would stand in court? Now use that for someone arrested for cannabis possession. Ever been to jail? Ever had your chances at college threatened? A lot of high level employers won't hire people with a drug record. Think about that before you bash the ones who don't stand up in the public spotlight.
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Comment #23 posted by FoM on August 06, 2003 at 20:09:47 PT
freedom fighter
That was a good article. He died happy. I use to say when I die I want to die with my boots on. I'm a horse person. Well now that I'm older I don't want to die that way! LOL! I haven't thought of any other way I want to go though yet. Could be the closer it gets the less we laugh and less we want to think about it! 
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Comment #22 posted by freedom fighter on August 06, 2003 at 19:48:19 PT
Wheel of Justice....
I hate to say that I hate to watch the wheel of justice... I know how FoM feels when she said, "I'm not a patient person when injustice is involved." If I watch the wheel of justice move for just one min., it sure feels like 100 years has gone backward and I sure feel 100 years older.Speaking of Justice!, I'll like to share this article I read couple days ago.. Mind you, the article is bit off the topic.. but it made me smile.."Daredevil skier lived, died on slopes
Marolt competed in 1960 Olympics
 
By Claire Martin, Denver Post Staff Writer
Max Marolt, who competed on the U.S. Ski Team in the 1960 Olympics, died July 27 when he suffered a massive heart attack as he skied down the San Miguel run at Argentina's Las Lenas resort. He was 69. 
When the ski patrol found him, Marolt was still buckled into his skis, and smiling.........snipppedhttp://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E11777%257E1547756,00.html?search=filterRead the whole story... I kinda think that where the justice be at....a smile...\/ff
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Comment #21 posted by FoM on August 06, 2003 at 19:26:01 PT
afterburner
I have the video of The Emperor of Hemp and it is great! I have signed books from Jack Herer too. I value them a lot.
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Comment #19 posted by FoM on August 06, 2003 at 19:22:59 PT
I Don't Know If This Is Good Or Bad
Schwarzenegger Announces Calif. Gov. BidActor Arnold Schwarzenegger Announces Gubernatorial Bid in California's Recall ElectionThe Associated Press August 6, 2003
 Arnold Schwarzenegger ended the suspense Wednesday and jumped into the race for California governor, instantly becoming the best-known of the declared candidates seeking to replace Democrat Gray Davis in a recall.
 Complete Article: http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20030806_1984.html
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Comment #18 posted by afterburner on August 06, 2003 at 19:20:13 PT:
If You Haven't Seen It Before, Enjoy!
The Emperor of Hemp http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-31.html
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Running Time: 58 min 
Date Entered: 15 May 2000 
Viewer Rating: 8.52 (42 votes) 
 
Number of Views: 2300 
 
"A highly professional documentary about hemp guru, Jack Herer, author of the seminal hempster bible, The Emperor Wears No Clothes. Narrated by Peter Coyote, this hour long video also document how hemp was prohibited and the movement today to legalize." 
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Comment #17 posted by FoM on August 06, 2003 at 19:01:26 PT
freedom fighter
There is voter apathy. I don't know of any person currently in politics that is standing up with no fear for our cause. I will vote for a person who is vocal and not afraid to ruffle feathers. I know that if a person stands up for Cannabis I will more then likely like the way he or she stands on most other issues. Cannabis reform and general good political views should go almost hand in hand I believe.
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Comment #16 posted by FoM on August 06, 2003 at 18:41:17 PT
One More Comment
I believe we have many good people working in different organization and also individuals who aren't part of any organization that are standing up and being counted. Even William Bennet acknowledged that the legalization movement is on an upswing. We are winning it just doesn't seem like it's happening fast enough. I'm not a patient person when injustice is involved.
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Comment #15 posted by freedom fighter on August 06, 2003 at 18:36:09 PT
Oh, I agree 
with you about the "voter's" apathy. But, let's put it that way. is it true that average pot smoker does not want to change the cannabis law?I think that most of the cannabis consumers want the law change but do not know how.I do know that this country does have problems with getting folks to vote. Correct me if I am wrong that 50% of the population did not vote on the last president election. And that is where I am trying to "dispell" the myth, that average pot head is apathetic. Some do not care and some do.
Just like in any other group that one may be involved in. As a part of this "pot smoking" group, we have had put up many many ballots up since then. We have won many of them and lost some of them.As a group, we did alot and we are still here kicking up the storm!I like that "snowballing" effect. Imagine a herd that is 10 miles wide and 25 miles long. When it is confused and bewildered. Watch out. The stampdeing is deafening. The rumbling of the snowball effect will shake the very foundation of what Prohibition is based on...Clay of half-truths, and pure evil of lies....into dust and ashes!paceff
 
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Comment #14 posted by mayan on August 06, 2003 at 18:15:55 PT
Standing, But Not Heard
This is very weird! I was just talking with a friend earlier today about cannabis users being one of the last demonized minorities in the U.S. I feel that the title of this article is off base though. We've been standing up for decades. It's not our fault that the media usually fails to cover the battles. That is changing though as the internet becomes the dominant news & information source! The masses are beginning to realize that the mainstream media is nothing more than a corporate/government mouthpiece. The mainstream media will be forced to cover our struggles or they will simply go the way of the dinosaur. Either way, we will win!The way out is the way in...CYNTHIA MCKINNEY DELIVERS FEARLESS ADDRESS IN HARLEM!!!
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Comment #13 posted by FoM on August 06, 2003 at 17:35:23 PT
BGreen 
I know what you mean. I don't post on any web sites other then here. I just want to work towards change. The only reason is because the laws are wrong and good people shouldn't be treated as criminals. I consider people getting arrested and going to prison for Cannabis wrong and it bothers me. I told my sister that I was under the impression we are suppose to visit those that are in prison but not try to put them there if this makes sense.
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Comment #12 posted by lag on August 06, 2003 at 17:30:30 PT
word
I know people who enjoy cannabis that aren't up in arms about the drug war. I figure they are just defeated. It still seems strange to me that people could be like that.Gotta pick your battles, though...but for those that enjoy cannabis I would think this would be a key battle (considering you don't have super important issues to deal with). It should at least be a hobby of theirs.
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Comment #11 posted by Virgil on August 06, 2003 at 17:28:58 PT
Comment on comment7
I really think it would take a bewildered buffalo herd to stamp out the prohibition.Prohibition surely does have a solid stone wall. Like the Wicked Witch of the West could not withstand water, prohibition cannot withstand snowballs. The growing snowball will do them in. There is only opposition because people were programmed into what the government told them was right. The government has a position designed from corruption and is wrong. The growing choir will that repeat "CP is wrong" louder and continually will do them in. Prohibitionists will not want to be in the wrong position and will not want to be there when prohibitionist are wiped out by the ever growing and faster moving snowball. People do not want to be wrong and to find out how it affects them all you have to do is tell someone they are wrong and see how they react and that is why most people will not use the words "You are wrong" and of course the hardest thing in life to say is I am wrong."
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Comment #10 posted by BGreen on August 06, 2003 at 17:27:08 PT
Everybody wants to be a famous musician
but only a few dedicate their lives to it and are willing to do whatever it takes to fulfill their dreams. That's my take on some of the people posting on those other websites.Lip service won't get anything done or any law changed.You're right about the other websites, FoM. There is so much backwards minded hatred spewed about that the issues never gets discussed.The Rev. Bud Green
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Comment #9 posted by FoM on August 06, 2003 at 16:43:13 PT
freedom fighter
When I read my comment it sounded harsh and I didn't mean for it to sound that way but I see when I look at different web sites those who like it as it is it seems to me.
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Comment #8 posted by FoM on August 06, 2003 at 16:40:21 PT
freedom fighter
Do you really believe that everyone is serious about changing the laws? I believe there are many that don't care if the law would be changed. 
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Comment #7 posted by freedom fighter on August 06, 2003 at 16:32:15 PT
Except for that part about
apathy.. Oh sure some of us do not care. But, I do feel that people have already spoken out long time ago. I really think it would take a bewildered buffalo herd to stamp out the prohibition.pazff
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Comment #6 posted by FoM on August 06, 2003 at 15:47:38 PT
DeVoHawk 
Thank you for the link. The author called him Myers but it was Breyer. Other then that a good article.Virgil you're right!
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Comment #5 posted by Virgil on August 06, 2003 at 14:52:50 PT
Do I hear a chorus calling bullshit?
Remember Handel's Halleluiah Chorus. I once heard on tv a comment about it I admired. He said it is an ongoing song and when you sing it you are just joining in. This is just another honest story that sings along with what we all know is true- CP is wrong. I am happy to see the references to laws that are corrupted to continue the prohibitionist chants for slavery, imprisonment, and second-class citizenship. I am glad that the man sings the song of Free Cannabis For Everyone and joins in with glee.We sing an on-going song for the delivery of Constitutional freedom and only freedom will end it. I think Mr. Simac just called bullshit. He is on the verge of calling corruption. There is only one Logical Conclusion and he has reached it. There is no going back once you have arrived. We are winning and we have the high ground. We need a victory parade for the big one that is coming.
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Comment #4 posted by DeVoHawk on August 06, 2003 at 14:42:45 PT:
Stephen Breyer
Stephen Breyer is on the Supreme Court.Complete list of all members and religion of choice:
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0101281.html
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Comment #3 posted by FoM on August 06, 2003 at 13:55:33 PT
BGreen
I remember that report. I watch News World International and pay attention to what they say. I've never heard them talk down about the USA. Our news seems to thrive off judging others.
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Comment #2 posted by BGreen on August 06, 2003 at 13:40:08 PT
ABC News reporter
When ABC reported on the low morale of the troops the gov't "leaked" the information to matt drudge that the ABC reporter was not only "gay" but he was also a "Canadian."This ought to flat piss off any Canadian when the gov't of the police states starts using the term "Canadian" as some sort of character assassination.Lou Dobbs reported that over 9.1 million people admitted to using cannabis at least once in 2001. 9.1 million admitted criminals for partaking of a plant. I, for one, would never admit to any illegal activity I might possibly be involved in to anybody collecting information for the gov't, so assuming most intelligent people aren't prone to self-incrimination, I'd say a more accurate estimate would probably be triple that number.Can you say 27 million cannabis users?The Rev. Bud Green
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Comment #1 posted by FoM on August 06, 2003 at 12:32:52 PT
I See Even Writers Are Getting How We Feel!
I'm glad for that!
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