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  Stop WAMM Sham

Posted by CN Staff on August 03, 2003 at 19:55:41 PT
By Douglas Perry 
Source: Santa Cruz Sentinel  

I am really getting tired of the so-called compassion of the Women’s alliance for Medical Marijuana. In the media, WAMM claims to have compassion for terminally ill patients. This is a bogus claim.It is important to point out a few things: 1) medical marijuana is not a gender issue; 2) medical marijuana is not a sexual-preference issue. According to Prop. 215, medical marijuana was passed in California for terminally ill patients.
If you check out WAMM’s website. They claim that 80 percent of their members are terminally ill. I challenge that statement. I have personal knowledge of no less than four patients with AIDS who were deemed not suitable to be members of WAMM. Where is the compassion for them and their suffering?Meanwhile, at least half of WAMM’s members are not terminally ill, and a majority of the members have bogus doctor’s recommendations. Menstrual cramps and weight loss are not terminal illnesses.If you were to follow the amount of pot distributed to WAMM members, and their caregivers, you would find that a very small percent of the medicine is going to actual terminally ill people.WAMM needs to stop the sham. if they claim to have compassion for terminally ill people, the community should hold WAMM accountable for our support. How can WAMM have compassion, yet now allow membership to those it claims to be helping, meanwhile helping those with questionable medical issues.I’d like to know WAMM’s priorities. Shouldn’t the terminally ill patients be allowed membership first, especially if WAMM wants the community’s support?Make WAMM stop the sham. They are hurting those people who legitimately benefit from the use of medical marijuana, and they are jeopardizing the integrity of Prop. 215 and medical marijuana in general. It is time to stop this abuse.Douglas PerryScotts ValleySource: Santa Cruz Sentinel (CA)Published: August 2, 2003Copyright: 2003 Santa Cruz SentinelContact: editorial santa-cruz.comWebsite: http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/Related Articles & Web Site:WAMMhttp://www.wamm.org/Pot Shots - Metro Santa Cruz http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread16979.shtmlJudge Seeks Help From Pot Advocates http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread16779.shtmlProponents Say DEA Raid on Pot Farm was Illegalhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread16774.shtml 

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Comment #113 posted by FoM on August 08, 2003 at 21:10:55 PT
afterburner One More Comment
They showed all these people shooting up. It was like this is the world and Oh My God! I resent that. An illustration was years ago when the North Ridge Earthquake happened we saw all the horror that the quake caused. My son told me back then because he lived in the area that it was bad but the news was making it far worse then it was in reality. That's what I thought when we saw all the needles and hard drugs.
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Comment #112 posted by FoM on August 08, 2003 at 21:00:00 PT
afterburner I'm Upset
I don't like being upset. It makes me feel bad but this last part got to me. I posted this comment on this thread below. Comment on The Forgotten War I typed a comment on the last part of this weeks series from Lou Dobbs and I didn't post it. I am annoyed by the way figures are thrown around. Figures are peoples lives. People are figures. People! Talk about people not statistics! Another thing that really annoyed me was showing people shooting up and then someone rolling or smoking some Cannabis. Don't mix them up! That is totally unfair to Cannabis. 
http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread17021.shtml
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Comment #111 posted by afterburner on August 08, 2003 at 20:55:00 PT:
It Helped a Little Bit to Know What He Said...
but I just couldn't keep quiet when I heard his smug words and watched his smarmy face. My poor TV. It's not that I have to react personally: I have heard all sorts of rubbish over the years about many things from many people. It's the fact that John Walters has the public ear and knowingly and disingenuously misleads people. It's the "ignorant" followers that he inspires that make me speak up to counter his lies. Those followers demonize the cannabis culture and maliciously deprive medical cannabis patients of their medicine. ego transcendence follows ego destruction, disconnect cannabis from the anti-drug program by re-legalizing, regulating, and taxing, and then those illegal drug use figures will drop like a stone (no pun intended)!
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Comment #110 posted by FoM on August 08, 2003 at 20:23:25 PT
afterburner
I was mowing today and came in the house right after it was over so I have CNN on now and am getting ready to watch it. I know it will upset me. John Walters unfortunately always upsets me.
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Comment #109 posted by afterburner on August 08, 2003 at 20:20:15 PT:
Thanks for the Preview, FoM
Now that I've read John Walters's latest lies, maybe I can avoid yelling at the TV set like I did when William Bennet was speaking earlier this week. John Walters: "Biggest single area of ignorance is marijuana." This should be "Biggest single area of ignorance, propaganda, and disinformation is marijuana prohibition." John Walters: "When we push back, it gets smaller. And when we don't push back, it can get bigger. So we have to stay at it." Here he is justifying the DEA raids, caging humans over a plant, denying student aid, confiscating cars and homes, strong-arming event organizers and venues, lying on television, and the whole tired litany of prohibition. So much for "Just say no." It's more like "just say no" softly, and carry and wield a big stick to whack the non-believers.Lou Dobbs's Friday Poll:Do you believe marijuana should be decriminalized? 
 Yes   92% 3997 votes 
 No   8% 365 votes
 Total: 4362 votes 
 
http://edition.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/ego transcendence follows ego destruction, the politics of chess.
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Comment #108 posted by FoM on August 08, 2003 at 18:11:11 PT
All Transcripts: The Forgotten War - Lou Dobbs
Transcripts:http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0308/08/ldt.00.htmlhttp://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0308/07/ldt.00.htmlhttp://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0308/06/ldt.00.html http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0308/05/ldt.00.html http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0308/04/ldt.00.htmlhttp://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/
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Comment #107 posted by FoM on August 08, 2003 at 17:56:39 PT
Transcripts: The Forgotten War - Lou Dobbs - 8 - 8
HOPKINS: Tonight, in our series of special reports "The Forgotten War," we focus on decriminalizing drugs. Advocates for drug decriminalization in the United States don't have far to go to see the consequences of softer drug laws. Canada is trying several different and seemingly conflicting approaches, with mixed results. Casey Wian reports from Vancouver, British Columbia. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) CASEY WIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A common sight in Vancouver: police arresting a suspected drug dealer. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We found four Tic Tac containers full of heroin, powder cocaine, and rock cocaine. WIAN: With drug use in Canada at a 20-year high, authorities are struggling to find the right mix of law enforcement and treatment. That's evident in Vancouver's tiny downtown east side neighborhood, a longtime junkie's haven. DOUG LEPARD, VANCOUVER POLICE DEPARTMENT: The epicenter was right here where we're standing. And we would see anything up to 150, 200 people actively involved in the open buying and selling of drugs. And it generated an incredible amount of disorder. And, basically, the drug traffickers and their customers had taken over these streets. WIAN: Since April, police have tripled the number of officers on these streets. Scores of drug dealers have been arrested. Others have moved. Crime and overdose deaths are down. But this resident, a self-described heroin addict and crack head, says he's seen it before. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They come in gung-ho. They did. They come in really hard and really strong, right? And they did it hard and strong. But they're wearing down. And what's going to happen? When the money runs out, this place is going to go back to normal. WIAN (on camera): Despite police efforts to crack down on drug trafficking and blatant drug use in Vancouver's downtown east side, a thriving open-air drug market still exists here. Behind me, you can see drug use and drug deals happening just a block away from the police station. (voice-over): Police only arrest dealers. Users' drugs are sometimes confiscated, but they're not arrested, because possession charges rarely stick in Canadian courts. In fact, police here are supporting a new way of dealing with addicts called supervised injection clinics, where junkies can shoot up under a nurse's supervision and without police interference. WIL STEWART, REGISTERED NURSE: They would bring their drugs in. We provide a spoon for them to mix the drugs with sterile water. WIAN: Everything but the drugs is supplied in an effort to prevent the spread of disease. STEWART: Once they've injected their drug, we have them stay with us in here for at least 15 minutes to ensure that they do not overdose. DR. MARK TYNDALL, ST. PAUL'S HOSPITAL: If you went downtown and you saw teenagers leaning beside a dumpster, injecting drugs with puddle water, I think it's just a pragmatic thing to say, look, this is not a very good situation and we really need to get people out of that very dangerous situation into an environment where we can connect with them. WIAN: A new government-funded supervised injection facility is scheduled to open in this building later this year. Canada is also considering decriminalizing possession of small amounts of marijuana. The Bush administration calls the proposal a threat to the United States, which remains deeply divided on the issue of softer drug laws. Libertarians say decriminalization would save taxpayers money and make room in jails for violent criminals. GEORGE GETZ, LIBERTARIAN PARTY: Imagine how much safer your neighborhood would be if we could instantly lock up a million murderers, robbers, and rapists without spending one more tax dollar. That's exactly what we could do if we repealed prohibition, because we could let the nonviolent drug users out of prison. WIAN: But drug enforcement officials say, ending the war on drugs would bring dire consequences. MICHAEL VIGIL, SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE, DEA: I think that we would have a major impact in terms of an increase in the addict population. We would still see increase, a significant increase, in crime. And, at the same time, health care costs would skyrocket. WIAN: That's what happened when Switzerland allowed drug users to shoot up openly in a public park in the late 1980s. Now the Swiss government provides pure heroin to some addicts in supervised injection sites. While Canada isn't going that far, its delicate mix of compassion and crackdown is being watched closely by advocates on both sides of the war on drugs. Casey Wian, CNN, Vancouver, British Columbia. (END VIDEOTAPE) HOPKINS: That brings us to our poll question tonight: Do you believe marijuana should be decriminalized, yes or no? You can vote on our Web site, CNN.com/Lou. We'll share preliminary results later in the show. And now the final results of our poll question last night. We asked, which of Arnold Schwarzenegger's film titles best describes his run for governor? Nine percent of you said "Last Action Hero"; 13 percent said "The Terminator"; 12 percent said "Total Recall." And 66 percent of you said "Kindergarten Cop."Earlier, Lou spoke with America's drug czar, John Walters, who's been director of the Office of National Drug Control Policy for nearly two years. Lou began by asking him if we're winning or losing the war on drugs. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) JOHN WALTERS, DIRECTOR, OFFICE OF NATIONAL DRUG CONTROL POLICY: I think we've got use going down again, after a plateau for young people's use in the mid-'90s. We had a report that it was maybe as much as 13 percent declined in the last year was a result of renewed, invigorated efforts. I think, overall, we have to remember that, since we got serious at the beginning of the '80s, overall drug use is half of what it was. And that's progress. If we did that in homelessness or with dropouts or with child abuse, it would be a victory. Now, we're all frustrated because it's not smaller. But this is a result of real effort. When we push back, it gets smaller. And when we don't push back, it can get bigger. So we have to stay at it. LOU DOBBS, CNN ANCHOR: As you say, part of the frustration born of the fact that drug use has risen in a number of areas. And 20,000 people die in drug-related deaths every year. A third of the incarcerations in federal prisons, really more than a third, actually, relate to drug or substance abuse. What has to be done to win this war? WALTERS: Well, we've had experience now. We know we have to be balanced. We have to do a better job of prevention, be serious, give kids messages, supervise them. We're doing that in a better way. We have to treat people. The president has made a historic commitment to add 1.6 billion to federal treatment spending. We're spending almost over $3.5 billion on federal treatment spending. We know we can get people into recovery. We have to do that. But we also have to treat this as a real market phenomenon. We have to reduce supply. And I think the other encouraging sign is we are doing that in the largest single drug of expenditure by Americans, cocaine. With Colombia, we now have a 15 percent reduction last year. It's accelerated under President Uribe, who's actually on his first anniversary in office. We have a partner in Colombia, and with President Fox in Mexico that are make historic changes. It's a market phenomenon. We have to reduce both supply and demand. Otherwise, simply making improvements on one half of that; the other half will tend to undermine it with high demand or large supply of dangerous, addictive substances. DOBBS: The culture itself, there is a component of our culture, a subculture, in which marijuana is an accepted recreational drug, as you well know. It is also -- has the impetus of being medicinally redeemable, if you will, because in many cases it is effective. Is your office, is the United States government going to focus on that particular subculture and those conceptions and preconceptions about drug use, and attack that directly? WALTERS: Biggest single area of ignorance is marijuana. No question about it. Today of the six million-plus people we have to treat, 60 percent are dependent on marijuana, treated for dependency on illegal drugs. More teenagers coming into treatment nationwide for marijuana dependency than for all other illegal drugs combined. Baby boomers and the generation after them all have a great deal of ignorance about that problem. They think marijuana's not an addictive substance, it's not a serious threat. It's more than twice as important as a cause of dependency than the next most important illegal drug, which is cocaine. But most people think of heroin, cocaine, methamphetamine, those are dangerous substances. Marijuana's the soft drug. In fact, we ought to legalize it, as you say. The fact of the matter is, marijuana is the most dangerous threat across a broader scale, and part of that is because of the ignorance about marijuana and the fact that people don't realize that today's marijuana is not 1 percent THC, the psychoactive ingredient of the '80s, it's 9 to 14 percent, and we now have high-potency varieties of 20 to 30 percent, increasing its danger coming from Canada and other places. DOBBS: Mr. Walters, as you know, there are in this country a group of people, I would style them as presenting themselves as pseudosophisticates, who are wry in their dismissal and derision of the "just say no" to drugs slogan that came out of the middle '80s, Nancy Reagan. We don't have anything like that, but the fact is that campaign really worked, didn't it? WALTERS: It did work. And we like to base our policies on facts and on results. And during the '80s, we started at the beginning of the '80s with the largest drug problem in the history of the United States, twice as high in the number of users as we have today, and it declined steadily, reaching a low point in '92 and rebounding a bit during the mid-'90s and plateauing. That campaign, which simply said directly at the culture that said it's OK to use it's not OK to use, and it's your responsibility first and foremost to not use.DOBBS: Is this White House, Mr. Walters, sufficiently out in front on this forgotten war? Are you sufficiently in the public eye on this important, critically important issue? DOBBS: We have a national media campaign where we spend over $150 million with messages that we've used the experience of the past 20 to 25 years to craft, and I think if you look at the preliminary results we've gotten from the changes we've made to improve that, a 13 percent decline in teen drug use in the last year is unprecedented. Yeah, in the context of the war on terror and other things, it's hard to get the same kind of prominence there was at certain points in the '80s, but the president has made clear in putting his political credibility on the line, saying we want a reduction in two years of 10 percent, and five years of 25 percent drug use. That's putting his credibility and accountability on the line. He's led the effort on treatment. He's led the effort in working with Mexico and Colombia on this, and we're seeing results on both supply and demand that are historic. DOBBS: John Walters, thank you very much for being with us. WALTERS: My pleasure. Thank you, Lou. (END VIDEOTAPE)HOPKINS: Now a reminder to vote in our poll question tonight. Do you believe that marijuana should be decriminalized? Yes or no? You can vote on our Web site, cnn.com/lou, and we'll share the results later in the show. Complete Transcripts: http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0308/08/ldt.00.html
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Comment #106 posted by FoM on August 08, 2003 at 08:44:03 PT
afterburner
I was using the first one. I'll change it to the second one and resend. Thanks!
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Comment #105 posted by afterburner on August 08, 2003 at 08:39:45 PT:
FoM - re email
My account at franksmith in-box.net has been unavailable for months. I don't know why. I couldn't even open the website. So I have set up a new email at afterburner boxfrog.com and I have been sucessfully receiving mail there. It has been giving me some problems with sending and site access though. Which one did you use?
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Comment #104 posted by FoM on August 08, 2003 at 08:22:05 PT
afterburner
I just checked my mail and the one I sent to you came back to me. I don't know why though.
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Comment #103 posted by FoM on August 08, 2003 at 08:18:35 PT
Thanks afterburner
We do have a later time to see the program. I had the program on but we got a phone call and turned the tv down. I saw that many people say they don't need treatment. I agree with that.
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Comment #102 posted by afterburner on August 08, 2003 at 08:15:17 PT:
FoM - Alternative Times
Our CNN airs Lou Dobbs at 6pm, 11pm, 2am. I've been watching the 11pm this week to follow a sci-fi series at 6pm. Last night I missed the 11pm, so I watched Lou at 2am. Check your schedule. Maybe you have alternative times on the satellite.ego transcendence follows ego destruction, the info must flow.
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Comment #101 posted by FoM on August 08, 2003 at 08:01:19 PT
Friendly Reminder: CNN: The Forgotten War 6 PM ET
Tonight they just said on CNN the topic will be on legalizing drugs!AIRS: 6-7 p.m. ET Monday-Friday 
'The Forgotten War'
  
Friday, August 08, 2003 Join us for the conclusion of our series of special reports, "The Forgotten War," as we take a look at decriminalization. What if drugs were legal? What problems could it solve? What problems could it create? John Walters, director of the Office of National Drug Control Policy is our Guest. 
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Comment #100 posted by FoM on August 07, 2003 at 20:11:09 PT
Transcripts: The Forgotten War - Lou Dobbs - 8 - 7
CNN: The Forgotten War 6 PM ET AIRS: 6-7 p.m. ET Monday-Friday Transcripts:http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0308/07/ldt.00.html http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0308/06/ldt.00.html http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0308/05/ldt.00.html http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0308/04/ldt.00.htmlhttp://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/ 
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Comment #99 posted by FoM on August 07, 2003 at 15:55:37 PT
My Thoughts On Todays The Forgotten War
I missed it. Duh!
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Comment #98 posted by FoM on August 07, 2003 at 11:12:07 PT
Friendly Reminder: CNN: The Forgotten War 6 PM ET
Friendly Reminder: CNN: The Forgotten War 6 PM ET AIRS: 6-7 p.m. ET Monday-Friday 'The Forgotten War'  
 
Thursday, August 07, 2003 Join us as we continue our series of special reports, "The Forgotten War." What's it take to get clean and sober? What programs are available to help those who want to stop drug use and stay off? Do they work? Transcripts:http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0308/06/ldt.00.html http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0308/05/ldt.00.html http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0308/04/ldt.00.htmlhttp://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/
 
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Comment #97 posted by FoM on August 07, 2003 at 10:21:26 PT
Transcripts: The Forgotten War - Lou Dobbs
Complete Transcripts: August 6, 2003: http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0308/06/ldt.00.html Drug use dropped, as Jan reported, during Nancy Reagan's "Just Say No" campaign in the 1980s. William Bennett helped spread that campaign through the nation's schools. Later he became the country's first director of drug control. William Bennett joins us now from Aspen, Colorado. Good to have you with us. WILLIAM BENNETT, FRM. DRUG CZAR: Thanks, Lou. DOBBS: The "Just Say No" program, nearly every television comic had a field day with the expression, the, if you will, intelligentsia made great fun of it. BENNETT: Right. But the thing worked. Sure, it did. Yes, a lot of the intelligentsia and the comics, some academics made fun of it. They said what they often say about messages of this sort. It was too simple, but the kids liked it. They responded to it. They understood it. And they used it. And that's why you heard that chorus of children responding the way they did. DOBBS: And today, Bill, we are faced with an onslaught of new synthetic drugs. We are faced with the same old drugs, heroin, cocaine, marijuana. Is there, even over a period of some time, we've already put in three decades, is there hope for absolute definitive success in this war against drugs? BENNETT: Well, if you mean by absolute definitive success zero, no, you're never going to get to zero. But can we get to acceptable levels? Yes. From 1985 to 1991 drug use went down by about 60 percent in this country, Lou. That's very substantial. What's discouraging is when you see polls, and you had a poll here the other night on your show, where people say let's not continue the effort, let's not spend more money. The history of this...DOBBS: Did that surprise you? BENNETT: It did surprise me, though I know trends are going in this direction, as the legalization trend is building. But the history of this is very simple. When societies tend to get hard on drugs and give a clear and unambiguous message, drug use goes down. When they have some success at this, they tend to pull back, which is where I think we are now. We shouldn't pull back. Attention must be paid. The front line is the parent, as Joe Califano said. And the school. And then other messages in the culture. There are some great successes out there in local communities and education programs, and attention must be paid to them. DOBBS: The schools, you when you were secretary of education embraced the "Just Say No" program. Schools face a host of issues today beyond drugs that we didn't anticipate almost two decades ago. Does the federal government have to do more here in education on drugs in the schools? BENNETT: Yes, it does, but -- it does, but as John Walters, the drug czar, will tell you, a lot of it doesn't have to cost a lot of money. Policy is probably the most important thing, policy and attention. If parents, teachers, school administrators will pay attention, send a clear, unambiguous message, this can have as much effect as anything else. Kids are worried about drugs, and if we respond in a way that suggests we're with them, we're not surrendering, it could be very positive. DOBBS: Not too brush too large an issue here, but just quickly, because this is a drug culture. We have 60 million people taking various drugs to reduce depression, to reduce anxiety, prescription legal drugs. We have 30 million people at least drinking alcohol in this country. Are we going to have to change as a culture in order to win the war on drugs? BENNETT: Well, cultures have to figure this out in different ways. And we make different distinctions. Some of these lines aren't as bright and bold as we would like. Nevertheless -- nevertheless, what we say is that there are some things that are acceptable, acceptable for adults and not for children. The interesting thing -- and we can't ever forget is that most kids are on our side, and they expect us to be on their side. They don't expect us to retreat. They don't expect us to surrender. There are some adults where, you know, you see the numbers -- where some kids have had their first marijuana at home, where they've shared marijuana with their parents. When you've got that kind of thing, you know, you've got a disaster. But if parents would recognize that kids are looking for clear signals, it can help a great deal. DOBBS: Bill Bennett, thank you for being here to help us as we try to focus on this important issue. Bill Bennett. BENNETT: Thank you, sir. 
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Comment #96 posted by FoM on August 06, 2003 at 15:44:04 PT
Comment on William Bennett
He said the legalization movement is gaining support. I could hardly believe he said it is swinging our way! He wasn't happy about it but he acknowledged us.
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Comment #95 posted by FoM on August 06, 2003 at 14:44:19 PT
Friendly Reminder: CNN: The Forgotten War 6 PM ET
AIRS: 6-7 p.m. ET Monday-Friday 
'The Forgotten War'  
 
Wednesday, August 06, 2003 Join us as we continue our series of special reports "The Forgotten War." What efforts are out there on a local level to curb drug usage? What will it take to just say "No"? William Bennett, former secretary of education and former director of the Office of National Drug Control is our guest. 
 Transcripts:http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0308/05/ldt.00.html http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0308/04/ldt.00.htmlhttp://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/
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Comment #94 posted by FoM on August 06, 2003 at 11:39:04 PT
Transcripts: The Forgotten War - Lou Dobbs
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0308/05/ldt.00.html 
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Comment #93 posted by FoM on August 05, 2003 at 16:00:05 PT
About The E-Mails
The e-mails that Lou Dobb just read where great! Legalize and Tax! 
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Comment #92 posted by FoM on August 05, 2003 at 15:41:13 PT
Comment on The Forgotten War
It should how the drug war is failing. Tomorrow night they are going to have of all people William Bennett on! That is so hard to believe.
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Comment #91 posted by FoM on August 05, 2003 at 14:18:35 PT
Direct TV Subscribers This Is For You!
MUSIC CHOICE DELIVERS EXCLUSIVE CONCERTS TO DIRECTV CUSTOMERS NATIONWIDE DIRECTV® FREEVIEW® Event in August/September to Feature Neil Young Live at Vicar StreetNEW YORK, NY & EL SEGUNDO, CA, August 4, 2003 MUSIC CHOICE® announced today that they will be providing concerts for more than 11.5 million DIRECTV customers nationwide. The premier DIRECTV® FREEVIEW® event series, scheduled to air beginning Aug. 29th and throughout September, will feature rock legend Neil Young. The agreement between MUSIC CHOICE and DIRECTV provides for six concerts, beginning in August 2003. This deal augments the existing relationship between MUSIC CHOICE and DIRECTV to provide satellite television customers with dozens of non-stop music channels programmed by MUSIC CHOICE.The premier DIRECTV FREEVIEW event Featuring Neil Young Live at Vicar Street includes footage from Neil Young’s recent acoustic performance at Vicar Street in Dublin, Ireland. The concert showcases the music from Neil Young’s soon-to-be-released album, Greendale, on Reprise Records. Greendale tells a story about the residents of a fictitious town through music, and has resulted in a subsequent full-length DVD and a stage show. The album includes passionate tracks like “Devil’s Sidewalk,” a two-chord rumination on the state of humanity. You will also hear “Falling From Above” and “Double E”, along with all the songs from his new release scheduled to hit stores on Aug. 19. As an added bonus, the concert includes Neil Young’s interaction with the audience in Dublin as he narrates the story he tells through his music. The concert showcases Young’s versatility and expert musicianship. You will hear the classic sound of Neil Young as he delivers a powerful message.Visit the Music Choice website at http://www.musicchoice.comComplete Article: http://www.mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=55192Greendale - Summer 2003: http://www.freedomtoexhale.com/young.htm
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Comment #90 posted by FoM on August 05, 2003 at 13:10:53 PT
Friendly Reminder: CNN: The Forgotten War 6 PM ET
AIRS: 6-7 p.m. ET Monday-Friday 
'The Forgotten War'  
 
Tuesday, August 05, 2003 Join us as we continue our series of special reports "The Forgotten War." What is being done to control illegal drugs that are produced in the United States? How much money is spent on interdiction at this level? We'll take a look. Poll: Should the United States be doing more to win the war on drugs?  
Yes   - 24% - 733 votes  
No   - 72% - 2191 votes  
Maybe   - 4% - 132 votes Total: 3056 votes 
 
 http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/
The Forgotten War Transcripts
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Comment #89 posted by FoM on August 05, 2003 at 08:46:20 PT
Thanks Dan
We do get the local channels but I like the other ones better because Columbus news isn't local for us either. They never have what seems to be shown on the National channels that is advertised on PBS if this makes sense.
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Comment #88 posted by FoM on August 05, 2003 at 08:42:05 PT
Transcripts: The Forgotten War - Lou Dobbs
These are the complete transcripts of last nights show. CNN is a snipped source so this is the best way for me to post them.http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0308/04/ldt.00.html
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Comment #87 posted by goneposthole on August 05, 2003 at 05:46:30 PT
86 86
Can't end with 86 comments. I am going to '86' that.
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Comment #86 posted by Dan B on August 04, 2003 at 23:20:46 PT
Fom - Satellite PBS
I may have an explanation about why you do not get PBS. Are you receiving your local stations through DirecTV? If so, then the generic network stations have been turned off, and that includes the PBS channel. If you do not have a local PBS channel, you will no longer get PBS.The way around this is to go ahead and subscribe to the generic network chanels instead of local channels. Of course, you will no longer be able to get the local news, but you will be able to get PBS again.I was upset about the blockout of the generic network stations when I first got DirecTV. One service shouldn't preclude he other. We are paying extra for local channels as it is.That's business, I guess.Dan B 
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Comment #85 posted by FoM on August 04, 2003 at 22:45:52 PT
E-Mail News from Dale Gieringer
Gov. Dean on Medical Marijuana - Larry King Live 
    
  Gov. Howard Dean was asked about medical marijuana on CNN's Larry King Live tonight . The questioner, appropriately enough, was from Santa Cruz. Count it a small victory that Dean led off with the disclaimer that they shouldn't throw people in jail in California. His proposal to have the FDA to evaluate marijuana in one year is lame, however. The FDA is incapable of evaluating marijuana without clinical studies to look at, and they certainly can't do that one year. The only studies that will be complete in the foreseeable future are those from California's Medical Cannabis Research Center, but they certainly won't be of the kind that FDA would normally accept for drug approval.    Dean objects to state medical marijuana laws on the grounds that marijuana should not be approved through a special political process, but should be treated like other drugs . What he fails to understand is that marijuana has been treated differently from every other drug precisely due to fact that the current government regulatory system has been politicized. The freedom to make decisions about medicine has been taken out of the hands of both 
consumers and physicians and placed in the hands of the D.E.A.., which has a vested bureaucratic interest in using its powers to obstruct access to marijuana and other controlled substances.   - Dale GieringerTranscripts: http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0308/04/lkl.00.html
California NORML
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Comment #84 posted by FoM on August 04, 2003 at 20:41:00 PT
Virgil
I just finished watching Steve Kubby's Interview. It was really good. Thanks!http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread16999.shtml#15
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Comment #83 posted by FoM on August 04, 2003 at 18:44:43 PT
mayan
You're welcome!EJ, I read the link and it was interesting to read about unemployment and the prison population. It would make a big difference.
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Comment #82 posted by mayan on August 04, 2003 at 18:30:12 PT
FoM...
Thanks for the poll! Here are the current numbers...Should the United States be doing more to win the war on drugs? 
 
Yes   19% - 319 votes 
 
No   77% - 1273 votes 
 
Maybe  3% - 56 votes 
Total: 1648 votes The way out is the waqy in...
 
Fire Dept Tape Invalidates Key Points Official 9/11 Story:
http://www.rense.com/general39/points.htmStatement of Mindy Kleinberg to 9/11 Commission:
http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing1/witness_kleinberg.htmFormer Congressional Nominee Threatened by U.S. Marshal in 9/11 Evidence Cover-Up:
http://www.tomflocco.com/former_congressional_nominee_thr.htm 
Why did Bush abolish information sharing and route all national security information to him, via Condoleezza Rice?
http://onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/080203Burns/080203burns.htmlThe Bush administration's desperation is showing: 
http://onlinejournal.com/Commentary/080203Conover/080203conover.html
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Comment #81 posted by E_Johnson on August 04, 2003 at 17:48:32 PT
Here's their site
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/economy/july-dec03/unemployment_07-29.htmlIn a report broadcast before the new numbers were released, Paul Solman investigated why the official unemployment rate can be misleading and does not fully account for the actual number of jobless citizens.
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Comment #80 posted by Jose Melendez on August 04, 2003 at 17:48:07 PT
Prohibition: Arrested.
Should the United States be doing more to win the war on drugs? 
 
Yes   25% 299 votes 
 
No   71% 856 votes 
 
Maybe   4% 54 votes 
Total: 1209 votes 
 
 
This QuickVote is not scientific and reflects the opinions of only those Internet users who have chosen to participate. The results cannot be assumed to represent the opinions of Internet users in general, nor the public as a whole. The QuickVote sponsor is not responsible for content, functionality or the opinions expressed therein.--Good coverage on NPR today also...
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Comment #79 posted by FoM on August 04, 2003 at 17:24:36 PT
EJ Thanks
We use to get PBS on the satellite and now it is only blank. We get local Columbus channels and it wasn't on their either. I wish they hadn't stopped PBS for us. Maybe I would need to subscribe to more to get it.
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Comment #78 posted by E_Johnson on August 04, 2003 at 17:09:39 PT
Unemployment and WOD on Lehrer News Hour
Last week there was an excellent piece by the econ reporter on the Lehrer News Hour, I forget his name but he is a very good explainer of how economics works.He examined the question: what is the REAL unemployment rate in America?He concluded after a long calculation on air that if we count the nonviolent drug offenders who are technically employable but can't get jobs because they are in prison  or out of it but facing discrimination against ex-convicts, 
then the real unemployment rate in America is almost 11%.He said that incarceration used to not be a big factor in the real vs. the official unemployment rate but now we have so many people in prison that is has affected the labor market by making unemployment appear to be lower than it really is.
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Comment #77 posted by SoberStoner on August 04, 2003 at 17:07:26 PT
Holy crap..
All day today everyone I know seemed edgy all day long, and I come home and see this...The story sounds totally like disinformation...The health givers are the bad people..Hate the people who grow the devil weed because they dont grow enough for everyone in california and have to turn people away..I remember first hearing about Mike and Valerie a long time ago (from a story/link someone posted here no less) and was impressed at the time with how well they seemed to run their operation even though they were sorely understaffed and had too much demand to keep up..If people were turned away, I have no doubt it was because of the excessive demand since most people either have been shut down, arrested, or have quit out of fear..It seems a lot of us are stressed lately, and the most natural instinct when you are stressed is to lash out..I've been guilty of it, and I'm not the only one, and I dont blame anyone for getting testy..and I have no solution except to offer my advice..Take a break..Even if it's only for a day..take a look around and remember WHY we are fighting this fight..This is an exhausting, draining struggle that most of us have volunteered to fight. Some of us were forced into combat, yet still we fight..But fighting amongst ourselves solves nothing, as we should have learned in the 70s..We are so close now in one place and still so far away in another that emotions are running higher than I can ever remember, and things are more uncertain than ever..Our biggest ally is our devotion and our focus to the greater purpose..Yes, some people are in the 'movement' for the money and the glory..some people are pretentious assholes just looking for more TV time..Most of us are just ordinary everyday people..And of those, most of them are either sick, or trying to help the sick..Or trying to win back the freedoms we were supposedly guaranteed.I think this is the biggest thread I've ever seen here, and while I am overjoyed at the tremendous increase in postings lately, as well as some new names, I am saddened to see an increase in hostility towards each other..Now, more than ever..Peace and Love,SS
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Comment #76 posted by JR Bob Dobbs on August 04, 2003 at 16:50:05 PT
CNN opinion
I was somewhat disappointed with the Lou Dobbs piece - aside from a few words from Sanho Tree, and a few slightly pointed questions for the guest, the piece felt somewhat slanted in the pro-drug-war position. The quiz question summed it up - I felt the wording was very biased, as it didn't give an option for "end the drug war altogether". Oh well. It's a series, so there will be more shows every night at 6 Eastern the rest of the week...
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Comment #75 posted by global_warming on August 04, 2003 at 16:45:25 PT
Douglas Perry is a Schill
Douglas Perry is a paid idiot that is sponsered by the prohibitionists, the ones who have the most to "LOSE" if drugs are legalised...you are all wasting your time commenting on this post-news..Please try to see through this ploy and hold your focus, remember the "vote" cast out these self serving bastards, who will cling to this foolisness like demons from hell,..Free the wrongly imprisoned, the non-violant victims, they are are children our sisters, brothers, mothers and fathers,..Pay Attention
VOTE
gw
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Comment #74 posted by FoM on August 04, 2003 at 16:41:26 PT
afterburner
Thanks for the current results!PS: Saw the A&E special on Seabiscuit. It was good thank you. 
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Comment #73 posted by FoM on August 04, 2003 at 16:33:15 PT
Thanks i420!
The one thing I like about the segment was they showed the spraying of the plants by men in hazmat suits and from planes. We as a society are more aware then ever about bio hazards and I'm sure that helped push the poll up so high. The drug war doesn't work and I liked the quote posted and used.Quote:"No drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the source of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed and love of power." - P.J. O'Rourke 
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Comment #72 posted by afterburner on August 04, 2003 at 16:27:46 PT:
Now 68% NO
Lou Dobbs will repeat later tonite at 11 pm here.
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Comment #71 posted by i420 on August 04, 2003 at 16:19:51 PT
Repeat tonite check local listing for exact time.
Lou Dobbs will repeat later tonite for those who missed it. That was John Walker FoM the terrorist mentioned in the email to Lou Dobbs.
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Comment #70 posted by FoM on August 04, 2003 at 16:07:38 PT
About E-Mail Read On Air
I wish I could remember the email exactly that Lou Dobbs read at the end of the program but it went like this.I hope that you will talk about people this week who are in prison for non violent drug offenses. She said her husband was serving a 22 year prison sentence for conspiracy to distribute marijuana and a terrorist ( can't remember which one ) is serving less time.Lou Dobbs said, We Will!
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Comment #69 posted by FoM on August 04, 2003 at 15:57:47 PT
65% NO!
Lou Dobbs just reported the poll results with a little chuckle to boot!
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Comment #68 posted by FoM on August 04, 2003 at 15:46:45 PT
Tonight's Thought from Lou Dobbs Web Site
"No drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the source of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed and love of power." - P.J. O'Rourke Vote Here: http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/
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Comment #67 posted by FoM on August 04, 2003 at 15:36:35 PT
New Current Results
Should the United States be doing more to win the war on drugs?  
Yes   37% - 170 votes  
No   56% - 261 votes  Maybe   7% - 34 votes Total: 465 votes 
 
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Comment #66 posted by FoM on August 04, 2003 at 15:28:08 PT
Current Poll On CNN
QUICKVOTE Should the United States be doing more to win the war on drugs? 
Yes   - 50% - 129 votes No - 39% - 99 votes Maybe - 11% - 29 votes Total: 257 votes  Vote Here: http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/
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Comment #65 posted by afterburner on August 04, 2003 at 14:55:01 PT:
Meanwhile Back in Humboldt County
US CA: Two Visions Clash On North Coast 
by Rone Tempest, (03 Aug 2003) Los Angeles Times California
http://www.mapinc.org/newscc/v03/n1171/a03.html?397
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Comment #64 posted by FoM on August 04, 2003 at 14:50:07 PT
Just a Note
Please talk on the thread of issue about violence on that particular article. I'd really appreciate it. Thanks.
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Comment #63 posted by FoM on August 04, 2003 at 14:46:28 PT
Friendly Reminder: CNN: The Forgotten War 6 PM ET
AIRS: 6-7 p.m. ET Monday-Friday 
'The Forgotten War'  
 
Monday, August 04, 2003 Join us for our series of special reports "The Forgotten War" as we look at an addicted nation and the war on drugs. We begin with what is being done to stop drugs from coming into the United States. Deborah McCarthy, deputy assistant secretary for the Bureau for International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs is our guest. 
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Comment #62 posted by i420 on August 04, 2003 at 14:43:30 PT
Floyd
Evidently you didn't read my reply yesterday....what do you suggest someone do when their getting shot at???? 
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Comment #61 posted by E_Johnson on August 04, 2003 at 14:32:14 PT
One might even say...
The 1932 election where FDR's repeal platform won is credited by historians as being the first national election where the votes of women made a significant impact. So one could say that it was only possible to reverse Prohibition after women were fully politically enfranchised.But that makes sense, because look at the few remaining countries in the world where women can't vote. Those pretty much coincide with the list of countries where men can't drink alcohol.
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Comment #60 posted by FoM on August 04, 2003 at 14:29:02 PT
floyd
My mowing was short lived. It's too wet to mow so let me tell you what I think. This above letter to the editor is an attack on WAMM. When I first heard about Valerie it was in an MSNBC article years ago. I realized her dedication. When they were raided last years the Corrals and people associated with WAMM displayed themselves to the TV News with dignity. I'm sure they've made mistakes because they are human but the good outways the bad. I also believe throwing stones isn't something we should do to those that have been fighting hard and are on our side.WAMM Raided by DEA - September 5, 2002: http://www.freedomtoexhale.com/valc.htmPictures from The WAMM Protest Giveway: http://www.freedomtoexhale.com/eventpics.htm
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Comment #59 posted by E_Johnson on August 04, 2003 at 13:59:49 PT
Remember who repealed Prohibition
It was FDR, the first American President said to be elected because of his appeal to women, who had a feminist wife, who ran on a platform of repealing Prohibition, and won.
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Comment #58 posted by floyd on August 04, 2003 at 13:32:55 PT
FoM
I agree FoM, and I admit I know very little about the situation.......I am just very hesitant to have no faith in this person who claims 4 sick friends that cant get help, either.
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Comment #57 posted by floyd on August 04, 2003 at 13:31:16 PT
Hey everone
Just a note for anyone who has noticed my posts being somewhat argumentative lately, I just want to state its not without reason, and its not because I want to disagree. My concern lately is that a lot of the message threads seem to be getting a little extreme. I worry we are hurting our goals of getting pot legalized by arguing, on this board for example, that if someone shoots bullets over your land you should shoot bullets back. I also worry that we are way too quick to attack any article that doesnt appear fully in support of legalization. We arent going to get anywheres by reading a 'nay' article and blasting it and the author to pieces, but by politely and intelligently countering. Again, sorry for the rant. =)
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Comment #56 posted by FoM on August 04, 2003 at 13:26:28 PT
floyd 
I just checked in again before I was walking out the door to mow a little. I can't be sure about anything except what I know in my life. I should say I believe that Valerie and Mike Corral must have a reason if they excluded someone from their program. I want to have faith in people so I do have faith in people. I hope this makes sense. 
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Comment #55 posted by floyd on August 04, 2003 at 13:23:44 PT
JR Bob Dobbs 
Yeah I saw that, but I find it always seems to be referred to as a womens group....its hard to know =/
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Comment #54 posted by JR Bob Dobbs on August 04, 2003 at 13:20:02 PT
Wo/Men's Alliance
Floyd, as someone pointed out in one of the earlier posts, the real name is "Wo/Men's Alliance", and is often pronounced on TV as "Women and Men's Alliance". It's not a women's only group.
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Comment #53 posted by JR Bob Dobbs on August 04, 2003 at 13:18:45 PT
CNN alert
Just saw an ad for tonight at 6PM Eastern on CNN, Lou Dobbs' show (I think it's Moneyline) will have the topic "The Forgotten War: The War On Drugs." (Who forgot it? The media, probably. Sure wasn't me, or John Walters...) 
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Comment #52 posted by floyd on August 04, 2003 at 13:17:33 PT
This doesnt make sense
Can anyone here say that WAMM is 100%legit for real? I dont like the idea of labeling this person as wrong before anyone investigates. FoM: "If they refused Aids patients from the program they have a good reason. Maybe they couldn't handle any more patients at the time or the Aids patients health was a special concern". Are you certain?
I dont mean to be this way but we cant blame the government for ignorace then take a stance on this without asking questions. I also have issues with a gender specific program like this...its one thing to have a vagina help line for woman only, its another to have a woman only service for something men can benifit from too. In case anyone is wondering I would find it just as questionable if it were the other way around.
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Comment #51 posted by E_Johnson on August 04, 2003 at 12:47:47 PT
About progressive politics and Alcohol prohibition
Right before Alcohol Prohibition, alcohol was consumed mainly in saloons, and these saloons were a political organizing hotbed for very reactionary politics, often funded by the alcohol industry.Alcohol Prohibition was the 18th amendment to the constitution.Women's Suffrage was the 19th Amendment. It came after not before Alcohol Prohibition.One might argue that achievement of full democracy in America through the political enfranchisement of the other 50% of the adult population was only achieved when the organized reactionary political power of the alcohol industry was broken through Prohibition.What happened to alcohol consumption? Saloons had been dangerous places where no woman would feel comfortable. Speakeasies on the other hand were often run by women!Alcohol consumption during Prohibition changed to include activities like gaming and music. A speakeasy needed a cover to operate. The cover added value to the alcohol that women could appreciate. The nightclub was born. The casino was born. Places where women could enjoy alcohol safely and have fun that wasn't just drinking were born. Eventually women became anti-Prohibition because they were able to realize part of their feminist agenda -- more sexual freedom -- in the new illegal speakeasy culture.Class barriers broke down and gender barriers broke down in the illegal alcohol culture. This is memorialized in fiction about the twenties in stories about flappers and gin flasks.By the time Prohibition was repealed, there was a whole spectrum of alcohol consumoption venues that did not support reactionary politics, and allowed women to consume alcohol publicly in safety and comfort.If the alcohol industry had played its cards right before Prohibition there might never have been a Prohibition.They could have tried to make women a part of alcohol-consuming culture and they could have backed the vote for women instead of serving as the main funding source for the drive against giving women the vote.Women enjoyed the freedom of being able to go to a bar and have a cocktail, once they were allowed to enjoy it safely by the people who ran the bars.
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Comment #50 posted by Virgil on August 04, 2003 at 12:47:22 PT
The Groundhog Day thread
We are stuck on this. I go out to chore and come back and here we are, over and over.Which I would not just say that. I was wondering if EJ might could tell us about Jack Herer's award at the NORML convention. I have not heard one iota on in.And in the BS category or movie fantacy thing, I wonder about having a victory parade at the Hempfest. We have our victories across the world, and we have personal victories everyday as the converts keep coming. We should have victory parades because we are winning.
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Comment #49 posted by FoM on August 04, 2003 at 12:39:07 PT
herbdoc215 
I understand about having bad times. I think we all do. I probably could write a book about what I feel isn't right with the reform movement but I will not. I believe that as we closely follow the news we will see what should be done next. I can't see the future and can only look back to make sure I'm learning from past mistakes. Today is the first day of the rest of our lives. I try very hard to stay with this day only. If I didn't try to stick with this day only I would lead the news and that would be against what I feel is the right way for me to do the site here. We are a community of highly passionate people. That's the way I look at it all.
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Comment #48 posted by FoM on August 04, 2003 at 12:23:29 PT
EJ That's OK
I haven't seen Bill Maher since PI. I don't get HBO so I'm not sure how he feels about anything anymore. I have heard him a few times on different tv shows but he was only talking about the war and things like that. 
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Comment #47 posted by E_Johnson on August 04, 2003 at 12:13:38 PT
I needed to vent about Bill Maher
That was a bizarre experience. I was really looking forward to a supportive atmosphere for everyone in the struggle and instead I sat in the front row watching the main attraction blame me for it all. That was a real shockeroo. That was pretty confusing. My soft female heart is to blame for the whole war on drugs? I thought it was my soft female heart that paid $500 for the ticket. Can you blame me for being upset?
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Comment #46 posted by FoM on August 04, 2003 at 12:11:54 PT
Jose
You made me laugh. Oh God! I have been off line because of a storm and my satellite went out. I went Oh God when I saw 10 more comments since I left. I think it will be ok. I've only scanned thru the comments. I love you guys and gals!
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Comment #45 posted by Jose Melendez on August 04, 2003 at 12:03:34 PT
oh God
before I get flamed, I in no way accuse herbdoc215, Steve Tuck or anyone else except Ms. Nalepka of blatent dishonesty. Joyce's I can prove.
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Comment #44 posted by Jose Melendez on August 04, 2003 at 12:01:01 PT
herbdoc:
We love you, man. It is hard not to vent at your friends, but not even Joyce wants you to suffer . . ........ . . . OK I might be wrong about that. The point is, we're all human, now chill. As the Nalepka factor showed, lack of diplomacy combined with blatant dishonesty can severely hinder your efforts. I'd hoped by now you would have found work for markemeryseeds or consulting for pot-tv. Got former conflicts? Fine, remember the past, but use that knowledge to construct a better future. I know, I know; nobody asked, just my opinion. Steve, I don't have the money it would take to develop a crippy scented perfume, maybe it really would cost millions, and "can't be done". But it seems to me that there's a huge legal market for thc free cannabis products... Leverage those flavinoids into cash, and turn that situation into a book or a movie or something... OK, I'll shut up now. (grin)
Wage Drug Peace
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Comment #43 posted by Sam Adams on August 04, 2003 at 11:56:33 PT
whoa, no offense intended to anyone
Holy cow, I was trying to have an interesting discussion of feminism & policy, did not mean to insult anyone! Further, I have only seen 2 segments of the Bill Maher show in my entire life, the time Woody Harrelson and Tod Mcmormick were on, and another time they had some pro athlete was on. I always thought Maher looked a little creepy with that weird hair. Also, I am registered as a Green Party voter in my state.I just wanted to say, as someone else just pointed out, that feminists exist all the way from libertarian to controlling liberals, and right now the government is catering to the Big Government types. C'mon, I bet most posters here agree on 98% of all policy issues. Sorry if I offended anyone - I'm only here to bash the prohibitionists!
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Comment #42 posted by E_Johnson on August 04, 2003 at 11:32:10 PT
I could have spent that money better
There are a lot of needy people in this movement who could use that $500 who don't feel the way Bill Maher feels about women and I wish I had given that money to some of them instead of wasting it on an event with a rich celebrity who doesn't even bother to talk to donors or real medical marijuana patients but just hangs in the corner protected by models and actresses who look like they spent $500 on their manicures alone. 
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Comment #41 posted by herbdoc215 on August 04, 2003 at 11:30:14 PT
FoM, I am having a bad year/life it seems:)
I am really sorry that I can't stop my carping sometimes as offending others or starting infighting was last thing I want here as this place and you are unique and in my opinion the #1 reason we have been able to show so many people our humanity. It's these comment pages You have built to let us show the world that these stories are hooked to real people with real lives and families... thereby showing the uneducated who are directed here that we are "like them" in more ways than they can stomach which has went along way to ending/stopping 'their' dehumanization of us. I just want this next step of our movement to be correct because sooo much is riding upon it, we are so close to winning here we can taste it, and some of us discuss everyday with the "think tank" prohibition has built here, that if we could but bring these last few problems into the light and fix them we could free these shakles of bondage from so many of our brothers and sisters sitting in prison now...Timmy, Tod, Chris,etc. and I could keep listing people all day who gave the most precious gift of all to help others, their freedom. Isn't that what this is really about...."Let my people go". While I have done many things incorrectly in this journey trying to help others, I did my best and have always put the needs of the gestalt(whole) before my own, I regret those who have misunderstood my intentions and my lack of ability to explain myself most of all and believe my biggest mistake was in not finishing my phD before stepping into this shit-storm as it would have made so much difference in the way my work would have been treated by the mainstream of the movement...but trying to finish it and watching people having to crawl for meds was more than I could stand. I will have it finished and published within a couple of years here as I am applying to schools here now, then will my opinions count???? Peace, Steven Tuck  Botanist
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Comment #40 posted by E_Johnson on August 04, 2003 at 11:21:05 PT
And I'm still paying for it
I know a little $500 is nothing to a rich celebrity like Bill Maher, but it's a lot of money to me. I had to put it on my credit card and so I'm still paying for an experience that I truly did not enjoy.
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Comment #39 posted by goneposthole on August 04, 2003 at 11:13:48 PT
neocon louts
everybody picks their nits while the neocon Pharisees roam free. Rout the neocon louts and quit nitpicking.
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Comment #38 posted by E_Johnson on August 04, 2003 at 11:12:16 PT
This is a ridiculous situation
1. The government takes money from me to wage a war against me.2. Bill Maher takes money from me to blame the war on me.This feels really great. This is fine. Yes I love it. I just love it.Libertarians can count to 500 when they need cash, but sorting out the 18th and 19th amendments is just too hard for them.Bring it on. We need more nonsense like this.
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Comment #37 posted by Imprint on August 04, 2003 at 11:08:20 PT
Can we bottom line this?
I guess I have fall pray to the “disinformation”. Smoking pot is the preferred method of consumption and as a physician pointed out in a recent article posted here, “Smoking pot won’t pass medical/science tests in this regard. I think cigarette smoking has sealed our fate on this. In the end, medical/science won’t help us win because of this. I think it would be against their basic belief system to allow someone to smoke anything. Looks sell. Be it man or woman, cameras will be pointed more often at attractive newsworthy individuals than not. Medical marijuana has been reported to alleviate or cure just about anything. In the end, when medical/science is done with marijuana I think it will be found that not all these claims will be true. And I ask, if we hang our one and only hat on the medical hat rack, where all the claims won’t be positively proven and smoking will not be tolerated, won’t this hurt the overall movement? Do we want to wait for this outcome before reacting? I’m glad the medical and science fields are taking an interest in marijuana. And I hope they continue. But, all this stuff about good medical studies, bad medical studies, grow operations, compassion clubs, personalities within the movement, medical vs. recreational is all minutia. The bottom line is the movement is loosing focus; its about freedom. Sick or not, an individual should be free to consume, think and live as desired. Can we get back to that one principle- FREEDOM? 
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Comment #36 posted by E_Johnson on August 04, 2003 at 11:01:57 PT
If Bill Maher was a real man
If he were a real man, he would send my check back to me because it was signed by a woman.You can't spend an entire stage show trashing women and then accept their help in ending the war.Be a man, Bill Maher, and stand up for what you believe in.Put your money where your mouth is.Announce at the beginning of the show that since you will be trashing women throughout the show, donations from women will not be accepted.
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Comment #35 posted by FoM on August 04, 2003 at 10:56:33 PT
One More Comment
Please don't be angry with one another. That makes me sad. I don't like feeling sad. Please lets try to work together toward the desired end. 
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Comment #34 posted by E_Johnson on August 04, 2003 at 10:55:52 PT
Also, you cannot count
Why do you people keep insisting that the 18th Amendment came AFTER the 19th?Can you not count?You can be sure I will never trouble you again with the task of counting to 500, if counting to 19 is more than you can handle.
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Comment #33 posted by E_Johnson on August 04, 2003 at 10:54:06 PT
And I'll tell you another thing
Bill Maher will never get another $500 out of me.Get me to spend $500 to hear the drug war blamed on ME???Right.Just try and get another $500 out of me for what -- to pay for the privelege of hearing the war against me being blamed on me?You people just go ahead and try to get another $500 out of me after that nasty experience of hate.I spent ten minutes crying in ther bathroom and I paid $500 for it.That's the marijuana movement -- they eat their young alive.
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Comment #32 posted by JR Bob Dobbs on August 04, 2003 at 10:51:44 PT
Don't forget history
Women were a major force in the passing of alcohol prohibition (Women's Christian Temperance Union) and women were also, later, a major force in it's repeal (Women's Organization for National Prohibition Reform).
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Comment #31 posted by E_Johnson on August 04, 2003 at 10:48:18 PT
Sam Adams this is for you
My father -- a man by the way -- was an abusive monster.My brother and I for some deranged reason believed that my little sister was getting preferential treatment and we were mean to her.To this day I bitterly regret it. It was all am illusion. We were all abused equally, just in different ways.As you will regret the horrific hurt you ahve just delibered into my heart.Good bye asshole. Sorry of you want to blame me for this. YOU ARE WRONGFTalk to me when the abusive fathers who run this government are out of opower.Until then goodbye I have had enough.
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Comment #30 posted by afterburner on August 04, 2003 at 10:47:45 PT:
Seen, Max.
Love to you all. The "spice" must flow.
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Comment #29 posted by Sam Adams on August 04, 2003 at 10:40:51 PT
women
I think it's OK to talk about the impact of both women and men on public policy.There's no doubt that it's mostly women fueling the safety/health tyranny that's being imposed in on us right now. It's mostly women that are behind the whole "parents" movement that seems mainly focused on removing the rights and freedoms of adults. I've sat there and listened as a lobbyist explained how she was able to start a new firm and hire 2 full-timers all because of MADD money for seat belt, alcohol, and drug law enhancements. There's nothing worse than a heavy dose of righteousness from "mothers' to get the prohibitionist's juices flowing.On the other hand, it's women that kept the Republicans out of the Oval Office for 8 years (they elected Clinton), and hopefully it will be women that vote Bush out of office. And I don't think the feminist movement is driving the US's transformation to a feudal, militaristic empire.I like the way Bill Maher brings feminism into the discussion when it's considered too politically incorrect to for most pundits.There was a great show on PBS or A&E the other night on Susan B. Anthony and the whole suffragist movement. At one point, Susan and her group decided to allow the Christian Women's Temperance group to join their coalition advocating female voting rights. According to the show, Susan B. Anthony and her partners did this with grave reservations, as most of them would be considered very libertarian by today's standards, and they strongly disagreed with alcohol prohibition.I guess I like some parts of the feminist movement but not all. If Renee Boje can use her good looks to get more freedom for her or more attention to cannabis prohibtion, then more power to her! 
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Comment #28 posted by FoM on August 04, 2003 at 10:36:24 PT
Max Flowers 
That makes sense. I mind infighting because it divides us. When we are divided we make the prohibitionists very happy.
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Comment #27 posted by Max Flowers on August 04, 2003 at 10:32:35 PT
Notice...
...that the disinformation did its job: it caused aggravation and prompted infighting.
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Comment #26 posted by FoM on August 04, 2003 at 10:24:57 PT
Virgil
This slow news time is so frustrating for me. I need to get my mowing done but I keep looking for news to post. Soon I will have to stop looking and start mowing or we'll have to bale the lawn! Just kidding. I am not sure why writers aren't writing about drug policy reform right now. Maybe writers are on vacation. It has been way to silent. I'm looking forward to Marcs next smoke in on the 9th. He is making a difference. 
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Comment #25 posted by Virgil on August 04, 2003 at 10:16:53 PT
No news
I do want to thank herbdoc215 for commenting. He has a rare experience that has given him an uncommon perspective. I am glad he is alive even if things are not so well as a refugee.We still have not seen anything out of Canada addressing the Ontario Supreme Court cases last week that amounted to anything. Saturday Marc Emery will take his SOL (Summer of Legalization) tour to Calgary. I wish someone would take an SOL (Schedule One Lie) tour in the US. Here is the schedule.August 9: Calgary, AlbertaAugust 10: Edmonton, AlbertaAugust 14: Prince George, BCAugust 25: Kingston, OntarioAugust 26: London, OntarioAugust 27: Hamilton, OntarioAugust 28: Sudbury, OntarioAugust 29: Windsor, OntarioAugust 30: Toronto, Ontario (Cannabian Day Rally)You know how the body fights to expel dangerous things. If THC is dangerous why does the body store it? Makes you think it is good for you.
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Comment #24 posted by FoM on August 04, 2003 at 09:40:46 PT
herbdoc215
Everyone has a reason why they care about changing the laws. I think saying we spin situations isn't true. You just seem to be having a bad day. We all have bad days. 
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Comment #23 posted by herbdoc215 on August 04, 2003 at 09:34:47 PT
I guess it's always going to be the same????
The subject of spin in this place always amazes me, eh 5 pounder...hell I'm just having a ball living in poverty up here all because I wouldn't give up the name of our suppliers or workers or patients which I'm sure you'll agree would not have left you a very happy camper... plus it's not like you have sat back in HumCo and got Rich as fu&* off of the sickest folks there,eh? Street prices for medicine...4000+ a pound but everytime anything get's hairy they hide behind a bogus 215 cert bought off of a crooked doctor, and you want to cast aspersions and barbs at me? I know how fat you live and exactly where every penny you got came from...it 's people just like you I was talking about. As for my earlier rant I didn't do a very good job of explaining...it's very frustrating to see the double standards being applied to so many people, I a not saying anything bad about those people it's just a double standard that goes to those who are willing to play the party line or who appear well on camera (or who have enough connections to make things happen)...
For all those who are interested, my entire life was put on trial here and the transcripts are public knowledge and property....while they are several thousand pages I encourage anybody who has questions to read them or contact somebody who was at hearings...No lawyer, Had to borrow money to make copies of evidense to hand in and only got about 1/5 of my stuff in, slept on streets many nights here along with hundreds of others here who have also done alot for others and then been totally screwed by those whom they sacrificed all.....AND I"M STILL GTOINNG TO WIN! These are the very reasons I quit caring what amybody thought of me a couple of years ago up here, being desperate and on the run is hard enough without trying to fight those who twist all for their gain while chasing their profit. This has never been about me being in envey of them, I am trying to point out what I see as a serious problem that can only be seen from inside the fire. My humble appologies if I have offended anyone with my plain speaking but it's the only way left to me. Peace, Steven Tuck
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Comment #22 posted by Ethan Russo MD on August 04, 2003 at 09:21:52 PT:
My Opinion
Val and Mike Corral are two of the nicest, most selfless and sincere people I have ever met.My inclination is to supsect that this author was spurned for whatever reason, and this is an ignoble expression of sour grapes. WAMM definitely has to turn people away, as does any resource at some point. However, their clientele tend to be very ill, and they experienced a much higher death rate after the DEA raid.
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Comment #21 posted by FoM on August 04, 2003 at 09:15:32 PT
EJ You Said
Nobody will ever be happy with every policy. I agree with you 100%. The perfect solution is no laws against Cannabis but we aren't there yet.
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Comment #20 posted by E_Johnson on August 04, 2003 at 09:07:25 PT
Abusive family dynamics
I don't think thee is any set of platforms or behaviors that would magically solve this problem. We have an abusive government locked into a mode of abuse -- marijuana prohibition -- and maybe those of you who grew up in an abusive society might know -- there really is no magic set of right behaviors for stopping an abuser.Each sibling will develop his or her own coping strategy and frequently those coping strategies will come into conflict. Often that conflict will make the abusive situation even harder to tolerate for the siblings.I see people who say, oh we should just let everyone in, all use is medical.Then I see people who want a strict application of the principles that are presented to the media. Terminally ill people or major chronic conditions only.Nobody will ever be happy with every policy. This has to be a broad-based movement so it has to accomodate people who feel like everyone should get in and people who feel like almost no one should get in.And people shouldn't trash each other so much for their strategy.Time will tell what or who was right and what or who worked to solve the problem.Let's let time do its job then.
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Comment #19 posted by E_Johnson on August 04, 2003 at 08:44:05 PT
You've lost me there
Hey Mr. Tuck the moment you staert ranting about attractyive females getting preferential treatment, you turn me off and lose me completely. What is your problem?Don't be like Bill Maher and try to make the marijuana movement into a movement that blames women for everything.Who got more preferential treatment than Ed Rosenthal and he is as physically unattractive (to me) as men come.
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Comment #18 posted by FoM on August 04, 2003 at 08:18:10 PT
goneposthole
I have the greatest respect for Richard Cowan. When I was corresponding with him when we had his chat he was so kind. I sure wish Steve Tuck the best too!
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Comment #17 posted by goneposthole on August 04, 2003 at 08:14:09 PT
In defense of Steve Tuck
http://marijuananews.com/news.php3?sid=588Richard Cowan would beg to differ. "When Steve fled up here, the DEAland regime cut off his military disability payments, but of course they did not restore his body to its condition before his “accident.” I find that to be particularly outrageous. (I say “outrageous” because I don’t use words like “chickenshit.” Is that supposed to one word or two?)If we condemn such treatment of someone who has suffered so much in service to his country, then how can we speak of compassion and abandon him when he has done so much to alleviate the pain of others? We must stand up for him as he stands up against the predators. He must be not abandoned by this movement, or the movement is morally bankrupt.Steve is a person of total integrity. He has been too proud to ask for help and has even gone hungry at times, but the recent ruling by Canadian Immigration means that he has a good chance of prevailing against the predators..."The kindness and kind words of Richard Cowan Please try to emulate Mr. Cowan, thank you
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Comment #16 posted by FoM on August 04, 2003 at 07:45:26 PT
Virgil
Thank You! I've missed seeing the Kubbys so much! Pot TV just isn't the same for me without the Kubbys. I'm still looking for news to post but I will watch this video today! 
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Comment #15 posted by Virgil on August 04, 2003 at 07:39:09 PT
Richard Cowan
The August 2nd show of pot-tv -- http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2098.html -- had a segment with Steve Kubby in his grow room. He mentioned that RC would be writing a book with the Kubby story titled "Reefer Refugees."I am a great admirer of Richard Cowan of course as he was matured in the cause before I ever dreamed there was a cause. Even I am surprized by the lack of quotes in the Canadian press of this mans words. Drugtext has a search engine by author and it returned this undated piece from when he was director of NORML- http://www.drugtext.org/library/articles/five3.htmlWords are the bullets and shows are bombs that will defeat CP. RC has applied both and it looks like he will see reefer sanity in the land he now dwells. It may be thanks to his own words and shows.The title of the article is "Cannabis a special case?" Cannabis Prohibition is like nothing else. It defies all reason and withstands public ridicule and attack without answer. Cannabis Prohibition is wasteful. It proves waste not and want not true in that we now want an evergrowing list of things while the waste continues. Cannabis Prohibition is delusional thinking reigning over the second worst way. Well, we all know this must end and we must learn the lessons of its failure. Cannabis Prohibition is a broken picket supported by a crooked fence. The whole fence must come down. RC speaks below: Ultimately the most basic reason for ending cannabis prohibition is that it is based on a simple fraud and it is morally wrong. Cannabis prohibition is a disaster and a major impediment to any successful drug policy, whether prohibition or legalisation. It is not for us to create a utopia, but rather to eliminate such evils as we can. Cannabis prohibition is one such evil. Richard Cowan is the director of NORML, the US-based National Organisation for the Reform of Marijuana Laws. Cannabis Prohibition is something else.
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Comment #14 posted by FoM on August 04, 2003 at 07:13:48 PT
mike2003
I thought my sister said undercover cop but my niece was arrested. The point I wanted to make was it caused my neice all these problems. I'll ask my sister when I see her this week. I could be wrong.
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Comment #13 posted by fivepounder on August 04, 2003 at 07:02:24 PT
give credit where credit is due
This is obviously a disinformation article.There are those in this movement who really want to help people, like the Corrals who run WAMM. They are people that work tirelessly for the people they serve.There are also some people in our movement who do anything BUT help our movement, who lie, con, sell bogus seeds and are into this movement for their own vain ego. These folks are those the media like to use as examples. Why we even have people that claim to have degrees in Botany that did not even graduate community college. Right Herbdoc215? People that are so full of themselves and shit that they stink all the way across the Canadian border. This plume of lies flows all the back to Humboldt County, Ca where the above mentioned 'activist' managed to get want he wanted. Busted, in the papers, and a fugitive. How else do you explain being the only person in Humboldt never to pull off a harvest? Oh but that opens a whole other series of lies. It must be hard being a compulsive liar, so much to track, but so full of shit. 
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Comment #12 posted by mike2003 on August 04, 2003 at 07:00:28 PT:
to fom (a little off topic)comment #5
Not that i don't believe you but if i'm not mistaken a cop has to be 21 years of age to become a cop.How else could cops take alcohol away from minors or anyone else illegally having it?
Was she arrested on the spot?Try to find out if this person was working with the cops or was actually a cop.I know in my business they send in an underage person along with a person over 21.In most states if you prove hardship you can get your car back. Thanks! Mike
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Comment #11 posted by Virgil on August 04, 2003 at 06:19:11 PT
Are these guys talking about hash?
This article speaks of super potent MJ pollen invading the UK. It sure would be healthier than the mess they call soapbar- http://www.people.co.uk/homepage/news/page.cfm?objectid=13250127&method=thepeople_full&siteid=79490
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Comment #10 posted by i420 on August 04, 2003 at 05:11:17 PT
So unfair to WAMM
I was told by a Doctors office that the doctor was not taking any new clients no different than WAMM turning people away. I bet the writer was turned away from WAMM and is venting unfairly against WAMM.
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Comment #9 posted by mayan on August 04, 2003 at 04:04:35 PT
john wayne...
It is strange that someone who supposedly knows so much about WAMM doesn't even know what WAMM stands for!
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Comment #8 posted by herbdoc215 on August 04, 2003 at 01:54:46 PT
E_Johnson...that's the heart of the problem
It's always easy to say as I even did in Cali when folks complained of policieof our to say, start your own club if you can do better. But now in hindsight I see the man's point and have been condemed more by our side for telling hard truths than by cops in last 3 years...when entire movement puts certain people above the whole then they take away resources for all based upon emotionalism (ie, Ed's 500,000 defense dream team that I KNOW who paid for that could have been spent to help a bunch of people who were actually doing what they simulated doing) and greatly downplayed personal gain and exagerated group involvement...and what was bought? a decision that will never help another living soul but Ed...if anything it hurt us here in Canada bad by creating the illusion that we can get some sort of "justice"...setting WAMM upon a pedistal despite them being no better or worse than MANY other clubs in Cali that the "movement" let get washed into prison or gutter extrajudicially with little or no help at all. Just like Renee getting special treatment here in Canada us men never received (especially not getting tortured to be allowed to stay as a right of passage, contributions of time and money from all around world, and she wasn't even supplying med-pot to others but working on a paid job...why is this? Because she is a attractive female, like Valarie, Hillary and Molly Fry they get preferential treatment from all sides and don't even face a tenth of the penaltie because of a much improved chance at mercy. I say again, Compassion is not contained in rhetoric or BREAST but in actions...come on people get real! You think that as soon as a club is in ANY region that the cops are going to allow another, not to mention the monopoly of resources existing clubs take from an already over-taxed and over-priced local market as it is. These issues are very complex BUT we MUST address them if we ever want to get out of this circular rut we have created for ourselves in this war...we must have full disclosure of facts both good and bad so we can drag them around the yard together and fix what is fixable, junking the rest for a new paridigm. Truth and justice must be given out by us to our own people at least as all they ever get is bs and lies from rest of media and world...and as long as our "so-called" leaders have financial intrest in the status-quo just like the cops do we will never see real or lasting reform...only more houses of cards built upon broken dreams, bs and footprint soiled backs $$$$$ changes everything! Freedom has nothing to fear from the truth. I am never going to sink to the level of the gestopo cops and think I can do or support shady things or half-truths to win, as all we will do is replace our masters then and achieve no lasting freedoms or tolerance for ALL. If any one of us spends the night in jail tonight then not a damn one of us is free...we are merely on extended house arrest awaiting our turn at a bed in the prison. I really like what I have seen of people coming together to effect certain cases (even mine to be honest as I know MANY here without even the little help I have gotten here) WHY can't we do that for all of us? Also we are spending 90% of our time now setting up an "underground railway" here as numbers of folks here now is staggering with most living hard lives with zero support and scared to death...but it's hard setting up safehouses across US and here not to mention all the infra-structure needed...to me thats one of the first imperatives about what we are doing...to create true community among the exiles here and save all those who flee the prisons and their horrors. Peace,Steven TuckBoard of Directors,BCCCS- British Columbia Cmpassion Club Society , Vancouver,BC
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Comment #7 posted by john wayne on August 04, 2003 at 01:15:46 PT
author encounters reading challenge
> If you check out WAMM’s website. Which this author didn't apparently because WAMM stands for Wo/Mens Alliance for Medical Marijane.NOT Womens Alliance....
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Comment #6 posted by E_Johnson on August 03, 2003 at 22:44:48 PT
Start your own club, then
Isn't that the most logical thing to tell him?
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Comment #5 posted by FoM on August 03, 2003 at 20:55:45 PT
A Little Off Topic
I spoke with my sister today and found out something I want to share. My niece has had a hard time finding a job. We know how the job market is. She took a job where beer was sold. She had a line of about 10 customers and this person in a suit and tie that produced a $50 bill came up to the register to buy beer. The line was long and he looked old enough and she didn't ask to see an ID and she was arrested. He was an undercover cop. She lost her job. She must go to court and pay a fine. She wouldn't have sold beer to a minor. I know she wouldn't. We were raised in a way that you just wouldn't do that. Something is really wrong with this picture. My nephew had his car taken from him while in NY for a DWI. A very expensive car.
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Comment #4 posted by FoM on August 03, 2003 at 20:47:30 PT
Robbie
I too fear for personal freedom in this country. I'm at a loss for words about it all. 
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Comment #3 posted by Robbie on August 03, 2003 at 20:44:37 PT
sounds disinfo-y
I've said it before, though...watch them try to make sure that no one but sick people can get it.I hope it doesn't go that way, but I fear for personal freedom in this country anymore (the little that some have) and things aren't getting much better. Especially when the absolute surreality in Washington seems normal to most people.
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Comment #2 posted by FoM on August 03, 2003 at 20:42:15 PT
Very Strange Letter To The Editor
I'm really not sure what the sham is that he is talking about. If they refused Aids patients from the program they have a good reason. Maybe they couldn't handle any more patients at the time or the Aids patients health was a special concern. I believe that someone must pass away until another person can become a member. You get on a list I believe. That is fair as I see it. They can't do more then they can do and only they know what they can handle.
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Comment #1 posted by Virgil on August 03, 2003 at 20:19:45 PT
What to say about that
It's different. It has a bad flaw in this statement-According to Prop. 215, medical marijuana was passed in California for terminally ill patients.You just need a doctor's recommendation for this benign and miraculous herbal remedy. The propagandists commonly want to take people on a flight of fantacy, and to be honest, I am not sure that it is not this person's intention.But more importantly, WAMM is lucky to supply cannabis to anyone much less everyone. Cannabis Prohibition is high maintenance. It consumes money, people, organizations and good intentions. Besides that, if he were so inclined he could grow it for the 4 friends that WAMM could not help. And besides that besides that, the cannabis plant should be thought of as nutrition whose products are readily available, without doctors approval or federal disapproval.I am not sure if this is misplaced anger or intentional disinformation.
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