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  'Toronto is Back and It's Booming:' Jagger

Posted by CN Staff on July 30, 2003 at 21:09:30 PT
Globe and Mail Update  
Source: Globe and Mail  

A crush of 450,000 people - thousands more than the population of Halifax - descended on the grounds of an abandoned military base Wednesday to write history as images of the biggest concert staged in Canada were broadcast around the world in a public declaration that Toronto's SARS outbreak is over.World-class acts including AC/DC, Rush and the Guess Who primed the sea of sunburned fans. But it was when headliner Mick Jagger and his Rolling Stones stormed the stage that the city-for-a-day truly went wild.
Rock music's pre-eminent band, which calls Toronto a second home, broke into Start Me Up as Jagger, resplendent in a hot-pink coloured jacket, broke into his trademark prancing peacock dance.He went on to command the crowd with a rendition of Brown Sugar. The hit may be decades old, but Jagger's energetic delivery belied the fact he turned 60 earlier in the week in Prague. Later, he turned Stones standard You Can't Always Get What You Want into a sing-along. The adoring crowd was happy to oblige."This is the biggest party in Toronto's history, right?" he bellowed. "You're here. We're here."Toronto is back and it's booming."That was about as close as Jagger came to referring to the city's SARS problem. But later in the band's set, he thanked Toronto's health-care workers - several thousand of whom received free tickets to the concert from the Ontario government in appreciation for their tireless work during the SARS crisis.Justin Timberlake, who performed solo earlier in the show, joined the Stones for a rousing version of Miss You - interspersed with a sample from Timberlake's recent hit, Cry Me a River. Earlier in the day, the mammopth crowd waited under a blistering sun. Fighting off the beating sun with bottles of water and the boredom with cards and joints, the swelling crowd's patience was finally rewarded midday Wednesday when the stage erupted with a massive music festival intended to lay the ghost of SARS in Toronto to rest.About four hours earlier, the most die-hard fans were the first to be allowed in when the gates opened at the north-end Toronto park that will be the site of what has variously been called "SARS-stock" and "SARS-apalooza," the concert intended to show the world that Toronto is again safe and ready to party.After fans endured months of preparation, days of lining up and hours of waiting by the huge stage, the most heavily hyped music festival in recent memory finally began Wednesday with Jann Arden singing the national anthem. Dan Aykroyd and Jim Belushi then took to the stage as the concert's hosts. After that, Sam Roberts took to the stage, getting the main show under way. Throngs of people in the front rows danced and sang along with the popular tunes.Throughout the giant crowd, the atmosphere was mostly jovial, with people sucking on frozen water bottles and hiding under towels to find relief from the beating sun. The crowd quickly grew so large that by early afternoon some people were resorting to using walkie-talkies to keep track of each other — there were so many people trying to use cell phones that placing a call was a near impossibility.The Stones are headlining the massive music festival, the most famous band of a lineup that is expected to play more than eight hours of music for close to a half-million fans. The concert, which began as a long shot hope by Toronto boosters, has mushroomed into a huge event that some organizers predict will be bigger than Woodstock. At least 14 acts will perform through Wednesday afternoon and evening.Singer Sass Jordan was clearly overwhelmed by the ocean of humanity that greeted her during a brief set with blues guitarist Jeff Healey. "This is an incredible, incredible, incredible turnout," Ms. Jordan said backstage. A huge Canadian flag served as a backdrop for the performances on the massive stage. "I've never been more nervous since my early violin recitals," newcomer Mr. Roberts exclaimed after his three-song set, carrying a plastic cup of beer as he wandered backstage. Organizers had said that the doors would not open until about 8 a.m. but many fans — the first of the projected 430,000 expected to show up — were apparently desperate to secure the best seats possible at the huge venue. Small lineups formed Monday and Tuesday, with serious crowds beginning to gather Wednesday. All of the more than 5,000 waiting at each of the three gates into the park were treated to a continental breakfast before entering the site, courtesy of the Rolling Stones.Near the back, where there had been open grass just hours before, people continued to jockey for position in the early afternoon."I think we might have picked a bad place," said 46-year-old Steve Johnston, of Shelbourne, Ont., who joined the line at 3 a.m. to stake his claim to a spot in front of one of the many crowd barricades. He hoped the location would afford him shadow from the hot sun, but the stream of people trying to navigate the giant airfield keep stepping on him and bumping into him and his friends. He was not bothered by it, saying it's all part of the "Woodstock type of appeal" he came to see.Across the grass from Mr. Johnston, 67-year-old Margaret Gibbs struggled to navigate her wheelchair across the ditch-lined grass to the handicapped zone near the front of the stage."We've been going all over the place to reach the handicap zone," Ms. Gibbs said. She came from her Toronto house on the subway this morning, and said she has spent hours following poor directions in search of the designated wheelchair zone."That's all right, though, because we've still got 10 hours to go," she said cheerfully, adding that she came mainly for the Rolling Stones.Trent University student Steve Williams, 26, said he is at the concert for the Stones as well but doesn't mind sitting through the rest of the bands. "It's nice so far," he said, saying that he has already started to make friends with the people in the crowd beside him.Other than a handful of confiscated knives, including camping knives, at the gates, Toronto Police Chief Julian Fantino said that people were abiding by the rules. One man described as inebriated allegedly hit an officer in the face with a bag, causing a cut. He was charged with assaulting a police officer.A force of 1,300 officers, with some from the surrounding York, Durham and Peel region, as well as the Ontario Provincial Police, was on hand to police the event. Plainclothes officers were said to be working in the crowd, looking for weapons, alcohol and drugs.Apparently unconcerned, many people were helping fuel the clouds of marijuana smoke.Medical officials warned Wednesday morning that the risk of sun exposure is extremely high at the exposed site, urging people to bring protective clothing and hats, along with plenty of sunscreen and water. Environment Canada's Web site puts the UV index at 8 to Wednesday. By noon, at least nine people had been treated by emergency staff, most with minor injuries such as cuts or sprains. Two people were described as having serious injuries, and were being treated at the concert site, while another was taken to hospital.Organizers had promised concert-goers they would be able to refill their water bottles on the site. But they had to scrap plans to provide refill stations inside the venue at Downsview Park because trucks had to be hooked up to city water supplies, said Molson's spokesman Dave Jones. Instead, Mr. Jones said 950,000 free bottles of water were available at emergency medical stations throughout the site. The growing crowds Wednesday also put pressure on the transit system, with volume reportedly up at several stations but the system was bearing up under the strain.Parking is available near the site, the former Canadian Forces base Downsview, but prices will go up throughout the day. Concertgoers have been strongly encouraged to take the transit and then walk the short distance to the site.Police also warned people to park their cars in approved spots only, as business and homeowners in the area were complaining that concertgoers were clogging their driveways or parking lots. With reports from The Globe and Mail's Jeff Gray and Jonathan Fowlie and Canadian Press. Source: Globe and Mail (Canada)Published: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 Copyright: 2003 The Globe and Mail CompanyContact: letters globeandmail.caWebsite: http://www.globeandmail.com/Related Articles & Web Sites:Rolling Stoneshttp://www.rollingstones.com/Toronto Rockshttp://www.cbc.ca/torontorocks/Toronto Police Will Take Marijuana At No Chargehttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread16976.shtmlStones Have Long Relationship with Torontohttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread16930.shtmlWelcome To The Summer of Love, Babyhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread16691.shtml 

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Comment #60 posted by FoM on May 22, 2004 at 11:01:45 PT
afterburner
I just looked again on Amazon.com and it still isn't listed. I will keep checking for it. Maybe Froogle will have it listed faster. I have been getting my music thru Amazon. I like the wish list thing. It's great to window shop and then go back and check and see if you really want what you put in your wish list. It's great for people like me who hate shopping! LOL! I want to get this concert. A lot has happened since last summer hasn't it? What will the next year bring? I don't think I want to know.
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Comment #59 posted by afterburner on May 22, 2004 at 10:49:06 PT
Official Release in stores June 29
May 20, 2004. 06:58 PMBuy our SARS-stock DVD: JaggerBY ANGELA PACIENZA
CANADIAN PRESS http://tinyurl.com/23qdn
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Comment #58 posted by FoM on May 19, 2004 at 08:16:39 PT
Thanks afterburner
I have a wish list on Amazon and I'll add it to my wish list. I'm anxiously waiting for the movie Greendale to be released on June 22. There's more to come even after the movie. 
Greendale News
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Comment #57 posted by afterburner on May 19, 2004 at 05:47:43 PT
Finally the DVD of 'Sarsstock' Is Being Released
May 19, 2004. 06:40 AMStones' benefit put on a DVD:
Contains footage from SARS event:
Some of proceeds to be sharedBRUCE CAMPION-SMITH,
OTTAWA BUREAU http://tinyurl.com/yv8lxFor all who missed it, now you get another chance.
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Comment #56 posted by FoM on December 03, 2003 at 11:08:25 PT
Richards Criticizes Jagger for Knighthood
By Associated Press December 03, 2003LONDON -- Keith Richards has criticized his old friend and fellow Rolling Stone Mick Jagger for accepting a knighthood. In an interview published in the December issue of the music magazine "Uncut," the Stones' guitarist was quoted as saying, "I thought it was ludicrous to take one of those gongs (awards) from the establishment when they did their very best to throw us in jail," in a reference to his and Jagger's 1967 conviction on drug offenses, later overturned on appeal. 
 
 
"Just as we were about to start a new tour, I thought it sent out the wrong message. It's not what the Stones is about, is it?" he said. "I told Mick, 'It's a ... paltry honor.'" "He defended himself by saying that (Prime Minister) Tony Blair insisted that he took the knighthood. Like that's an excuse. Like you can't turn down anything. Like it doesn't depend how you feel about it." Jagger said Tuesday that his busy touring schedule has finally allowed him to arrange a date to collect his award from Queen Elizabeth II at Buckingham Palace: Dec. 12. Richards, who was once briefly imprisoned for allowing marijuana to be smoked in his home -- another conviction that was later overturned -- said he doubted he would ever be offered a similar honor. "Because they know what I would've said ... they knew I'd tell them where they could put it," he said. * __ On the Net: Uncut magazine, http://www.uncut.net 
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Comment #55 posted by FoM on August 02, 2003 at 10:38:17 PT
DeVoHawk 
Thank you! That's the way it should be! 
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Comment #54 posted by DeVoHawk on August 02, 2003 at 10:30:26 PT:
Take off to the Great White North
Nothing but Peace, Love and Understanding at the concert. The crowd was insane in size. As it was 104(F) when we left Kansas, the weather seemed rather cool. We bicycled to the show traversing beautiful downtown Toronto, the Lake Shore, lunch in Parkdale, and then up the Tommy Thompson Trail.After we entered the gate we stopped next to police in the shade to apply more sunscreen. Four women walk up to the police and asked if they may relieve themselves on the other side of the trailer if they put blanket around themselves, as they declared their desperation. The police said yes. The SMILE never left my face that day.Since we had to cross the border we had no cannabis but purchased a joint 5 minutes after we arrived during the Isley Brothers. I was smoked up by at least 6 different people as cannabis was everywhere.Rush, The Guess Who, and AC/DC were the favorites in the section I was in and when Closer to the Heart played almost everyone joined in. I went to see Rush, the crowd, and to show my respect to Canada.I purchased nothing as the lines were absolutely pathetic and I was not sure if I could get back to my mates. Anyone walking around was forced at times to walk across blankets and they stepped on hands and tripped over people, yet everyone was respectful and polite with no worries, eh. The people next to us left to get beer and came back 3 hours later. We were able to bring all the food and water in we needed with extra to share.There was a huge sense of disappointment in the way Justine Timberlake was treated. The people we talked to apologized and claimed they did not represent the majority of Canadians. This made it easy to talk about how we have a similar minority whom does not represent us in the USA, our elected officials. Justine Timberlake represented the USA with complete class. I was guilty of mocking him repeatedly prior to going to the concert but apparently he did belong at Sarstock.
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Comment #53 posted by afterburner on August 01, 2003 at 09:18:33 PT:
Clean-up Time: Rumor Has It That DVD/CD Planned
Concert success awakens tourism
GLORIA GALLOWAY
Online Edition: Friday, August 1, 2003 02:24 AM
Industry cautiously optimistic that Mick Jagger has provided an economic cure for SARS 
FULL STORY > http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030801.utoro0801_ent/BNStory/Entertainment/?query=marijuana***********************Globe & Mail[Bizarre] Globe Poll:Friday, Aug. 1, 2003 
Washington will pay $30-million to the tipster who turned in Saddam Hussein's sons, prompting us to ask: Who would you betray for $30-million? 
 
My direct family 
 881 votes  (11 %) 
My extended family 
 842 votes  (11 %) 
My friends 
 317 votes  (4 %) 
My colleagues 
 1969 votes  (25 %) 
Nobody 
 3892 votes  (49 %) 
  
Total Votes: 7901 ***********************Now, live on TV, the Rolling Sto. . .
Aug. 1, 2003. 07:46 AMFor the people who were there, it was the concert event of a lifetime. But for people watching at home, it was the rip-off of the year. Enraged. Disappointed. Furious. Frustrated. That's how thousands of Canadian viewers felt as the massive 'Toronto Rocks' concert unfolded in Downsview Park on Wednesday. Vinay Menon talks about waiting, and waiting, and waiting for the Rolling Stones.  [Full Story] http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1059689420814&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154***********************Massive cleanup follows "successful" concert http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1059689420236&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968705899037
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Comment #52 posted by FoM on August 01, 2003 at 09:08:11 PT
13th step 
I agree with what freedom fighter said. Thank you! How nice!
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Comment #51 posted by freedom fighter on July 31, 2003 at 23:52:32 PT
13th step
thanks...I feel so human after readin your comment...pazff
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Comment #50 posted by 13th step on July 31, 2003 at 22:55:25 PT
Rush, Ontario, and Cannabis...
I was in Ontario last week , went to Toronto, Niagra Falls, and Algonquin Provincial Park. Wow.I never saw one mention of Rush on CBC/Global, but my wife said she saw one. What a shame. I'll take 2112 & Hemispheres over the entire RS catalogue any day of the week.We did not got to the show, left the day before, neither of us really care for big crowds, and most of the music wasn't to our liking.We decided to spend our money helping out the actual economy of Canada, buying at primarily locally owned markets/stores/shops/what have you.Roach-o-Rama is nice, a good, mellow place to hang out, with some very friendly patrons. I enjoyed hanging out there. I recommend every CanadaCannabisTourist to go there and give them your money. Maybe that will encourage more places to open up.Several restaurant owners told us of how last year, things were much better. In Niagra Falls, restaurants that were once full every night are now closed three days a week so they can keep afloat.This was my first trip to Ontario, and I've only ever been to Vancouver before. Totally different, yet still the same. Kind of like going from N.Y.C. to L.A. Although, mind you, I am certainly NOT comparing any Canadian city with either of those US cities ; Toronto and Van certainly have them both beat in terms of cleanliness and friendliness.I also liked the fact that most of the news I saw there didn't have all the fluffy pieces, or the scare pieces like the US news I see. That's a nice change, as tonight, I watched the local news and what do I see : a report on (almost glorifying) methamphetamine about how good of a weight loss drug it is, but, oh, by the way, don't take it!
It was just sensational pablum that they usually wallow in. They have a tendency to exploit peoples emotions, and then use it to show they are "caring" toward the community.
Like when a guys house burns down and they interview him, immediately, and when he bursts into tears and asks them to "please wait" they keep filming and then show it during commercial breaks as if he wants all of his pain shown on local tv. This is news?Bah. Rambling. Hope I'm not bothering anyone.I'll wind up with : 
I love Canada; Heck, I love everywhere. It's a round world, and we all are in it. Let's all just enjoy the ride.Night all...
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Comment #49 posted by FoM on July 31, 2003 at 18:15:49 PT
afterburner
Thank you. I am not up on any of the music that is currently popular. I haven't found much music that I didn't decide I liked the bands or individual musicians many years ago. I'm stuck with certain music and can't seem to get newer kinds to be important. Maybe each generation goes thru a similar way of thinking about what is good or what isn't good music. 
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Comment #48 posted by afterburner on July 31, 2003 at 17:45:35 PT:
Justin Timberlake
Justin Timberlake is a member of a boy band, 'N Sync, and former boyfriend of pop bubble gum princess Britanny Spears. The way I look at it: I give him credit for going to a venue where he felt in his own words "like a fish out of water." I'm sure the teen girls in the audience liked his set (after all the were out in force for his concert in Toronto the night before SARSSTOCK), and maybe by associating with the greats who make real music, he might learn something. He did get to sing a song with Mick Jagger. Music, like beauty is in the eye of the beholder, or as Fred Hauptman once said, "When it comes to music, everyone's a bit of a fascist."
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Comment #47 posted by mayan on July 31, 2003 at 17:07:08 PT
BGreen...
I knew you were a Rush fan! I could just sense it! The mainstream media have been totally ignoring Rush for decades. They have never even been asked to do an interview by Rolling Stone magazine! That's ok because RS sucks & blows simultaneously! I can't understand them being overlooked after having seen them well over a dozen times. They never disappoint. I've seen news footage of the Stones, AC/DC & even Justin Timberlake, but no mention of Rush. If you've never seen them live check out their DVD coming out this fall. The DVD is going to be the Rio show from their 2002 tour, plus some backstage/on the road footage. I can't wait! Way to go Toronto! Way to go Canada!!! Here is Rush's setlist from the SARS benefit(35 min.)...Tom Sawyer -
Limelight -
Dreamline -
YYZ -
Freewill -
Closer To The Heart -
Paint It Black (instrumental Stones homage) -
The Spirit Of RadioHere's a good Rush site...
http://www.worldwidewebtour.com/
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Comment #46 posted by ekim on July 31, 2003 at 16:38:06 PT
i wondered where the ships of Ireland came from 
The Irish provided a lot of amusement for the British. Those silly jigs. The cute little leprachaun. Then there were the economic advantanges of colonizing Ireland -- for example their timber. Ireland was completely deforested to build British homes and to build slave ships. thanks Ej for information. today i tryed to call C-span a Sen. Inholf (sic) from OK was on talking about how the global warming issue is all a bunch of lies. I got thru and was asked what i wanted to ask -- i said that i had read on Cannabis news that OK had sprayed 9.5 million Hemp plants and wanted to know what the Sen. had to say. I was hung up on. moral of story don't mention Hemp or Cannabis untill you get on. A great caller did manage to ask the Sen. about two of the worst polluters of the 19th century being Hurst and Dupont which brought the dim witted response to the Lady's question --"who cares about what happen in the 30's" 
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Comment #45 posted by FoM on July 31, 2003 at 15:22:28 PT

afterburner a Big Question
I don't even know who Justin Timberlake is but I read enough in news articles about people not liking him and throwing bottles at him. Who is he and why isn't he liked? They even showed a girl on NWI that wanted to see all the groups except Justin Timberlake. I actually searched around the Net yesterday to find some reason why but found nothing.
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Comment #44 posted by afterburner on July 31, 2003 at 15:17:32 PT:

More Stones Feedback
Voices: Day after concert reflections
Jul. 31, 2003. 04:32 PM"We asked for your reflections on the Rolling Stones concert. You loved the concert, hated the television coverage and were embarrassed by the rudeness shown to Justin Timberlake." Click to read a selection of comment:
[Responses http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1059646706396&call_pageid=968350130169&col=969483202845 | SpeakOut http://www.thestar.com/cgi-bin/star_static.cgi?section=news&page=/Forms/speak_out/030730_dayafterstones.html ]--------------------------------------------------------------------------------It was exactly what we needed
Jul. 31, 2003. 08:07 AM"From the famous logo of that sassy tongue sticking out of the middle of the huge TORONTO above the stage, to the vigour it took fans to get there and the stamina it took to stay, yesterday's marathon concert at Downsview was a vibrant tonic for our SARS-struck city." Jim Coyle comments.  [Full Story] http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1059603010031&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154--------------------------------------------------------------------------------A musical extravaganza by Stones and friends
Jul. 31, 2003. 02:00 PM"The Rolling Stones were not about to be upstaged. Not this night. And, as far as Toronto is concerned, maybe not ever. Pop music critic Vit Wagner reviews the concert."  [Full Story] http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1059603010551&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154
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Comment #43 posted by FoM on July 31, 2003 at 14:43:26 PT

Surprise!
I just read in my email news that Dan Ackroyd came out and lit up a joint on stage! Unbelievable! http://images.theglobeandmail.com/PhotoGallery/Archive/images/wstones/dan_done.jpg
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Comment #42 posted by afterburner on July 31, 2003 at 14:36:09 PT:

Contrast US vs. California to Canada (SARSSTOCK#4)
The med-pot growers (of California) had forged a working relationship with local law enforcement when the federal invaders struck. The enormity of the betrayal is mind-boggling. On the other hand (waiting for the trip home from SARSSTOCK), a train cop asked us gently to co-operate, so that we could all make it home safely. Canada is learning. Respect! 
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Comment #41 posted by FoM on July 31, 2003 at 14:19:34 PT

afterburner
When I saw all the Canadian Flags and the respect everyone showed for your country that said to me that you are doing everything right that I can see from down here. Having a big army etc. doesn't mean much unless you like to bully other countries and their people and force them to listen.
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Comment #40 posted by Dan B on July 31, 2003 at 14:17:10 PT

Addendum
Note: If you want to read the related articles, click the links to the left-hand side of your screen under "Defeat The Right in Three Minutes." For some reason, the links at the bottom of the page are different and do not work.Thanks.Dan B
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Comment #39 posted by afterburner on July 31, 2003 at 14:14:29 PT:

re comment #23: SARSSTOCK #3
A particular event of Canadian pride came when a CF-18 military jet circled the field and broke the sound barrier over the cheering crowd at SARSSTOCK. I know the puny Canadian armed forces would stand no chance against the US armed forces, but for a few minutes we dared to dream of peace and pot.
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Comment #38 posted by Dan B on July 31, 2003 at 14:13:39 PT

Great Article
The article at the following link and the articles linked from it speak to many of the issues that several people here have brought up. The author (who calls himself "conceptual guerilla") makes a brilliant case for the fact that all of our most heinous problems, including the war on some drugs, stem from the policies of what he calls "cheap labor conservatives," an appropriate moniker if ever there were one.Here is the link: http://www.conceptualguerilla.com/beattherightinthree.htmThanks.Dan B
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Comment #37 posted by afterburner on July 31, 2003 at 14:08:41 PT:

E_Johnson Comment #18: 
Jigs and gigs. (SARSSTOCK #2)I was dancing to the music yesterday at SARSSTOCK enjoying many great bands. I did get a lot of thumbs up and looks in general for my "Summer of Legalization Tour" t-shirt. I've rarely been to a dance in sixteen years. The gig was pleasant if a little contrived. I danced my personal style of jungle boogie that I learned in a racially-mixed night club in inner city USA. I'm sure to some people I looked ridiculous, like those jig dancing Irishpeople of old, but I felt that Toronto could learn some dance steps from Detroit Rocks! Somehow the word "jig" over the years also became a derogatory term against black people. On behalf of my black dance mentor and a host of black friends from all over the world, I object! There is something appealing about the musician lifestyle with its gigs: "We're all self-employed" as Randy Bachman of the Guess Who belted out in "Takin' Care of Business," which he originally released with his Bachman-Turner Overdrive (BTO) group. This song is a perennial favourite in Toronto. I have heard it performed previously at Ontario Place. Even the fact that we now hear it in a commercial for a Japanese auto company does not dampen the song's energy or the crowd's enthusiasm. Self-employed: telling your own story, writing, singing your own words, doing your own crafts, construction, transportation, service, agriculture. It's a shining example to all the wage slaves, living lives of quiet conformity, chomping at the bit, dreaming of a little freedom, a little holiday.  btw, I met people from Buffalo in the food line, Dallas (flew up for the concert) at the campsite/dancesite, and BC (recognized Marc Emery on the t-shirt) at the food eating site in the shade of a truck trailer.
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Comment #36 posted by FoM on July 31, 2003 at 13:45:56 PT

Radio Free America
That sounds great!
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Comment #35 posted by afterburner on July 31, 2003 at 13:44:07 PT:

re FoM comment #12.
I'm thinking of starting a Radio Free America, a kind of pirate radio of the web waves, with reports from US cyber-journalists, good real music, that tells the stories of life from the earliest folk songs and recorded music up to the present: "Songs in the key of life," to borrow an expression from Stevie Wonder. Pot-TV has some similar content, like Underground Indiana and reports from Hempfests, Million Marijuana March, and other cannabis political rallies for the US Marijuana Party, NORML, MPP, etc. 
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Comment #34 posted by FoM on July 31, 2003 at 13:41:19 PT

afterburner Thanks!
It sounds like it was great. The CBC offered the webcast live but even with an 888 connection I couldn't get it to stop buffering. I saw news on NWI and CNN. Yesterday I turned on CNN The Financial Network trying to avoid the general news channels and the two guys that host the show started talking about the concert. Mind you this is a financial channel. They went on and on and how great it would be if they could go but they had to work. This woman who was to talk to them about some financial issue said my you two are glowing. I've never seen either of you look that way. It was funny but even people down here wish that we could enjoy what you were able to enjoy. In a few days you will forget all about the heat but you'll never forget what you just experienced. I'm so very happy it went so well. Good to have you back.
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Comment #33 posted by afterburner on July 31, 2003 at 13:39:40 PT:

poll from FoM's comment #6
"Today's Question Quebecers still smoke more than other Canadians. Is this our worst vice? 
Answers Percent 
1.  Yes. We smoke way too much, and start way too young. 38% 
2.  No. Gambling is also a real problem in this province. 20% 
3.  No. We drink way too much beer, too. 11% 
 4.  No. We also suffer the ill-effects of dangerous levels of Celine. 31%" Notice how negatively this poll is phrased. I almost voted for #4 as a joke, but decided on #3 because of personal experience with out-of-control Quebec drinkers. If you add up the "no"s you still get 62%!  
poll from FoM's comment #6 
http://www3.cjad.com/content/cjad_news/article.asp?id=e073079A
poll from FoM's comment #6
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Comment #32 posted by afterburner on July 31, 2003 at 13:30:20 PT:

SARSTOCK #1
In spite of the police threat to confiscate cannabis, I could have smuggled in a brick. "Have your tickets ready, and if you have a backpack have it open." Check and check. A cursory look and in we went. A long walk across the pavement, past many food vendors, led to the stage and the satellite jumbo screens where the massive throng camped out. The sweet smell of pot smoke was evident from time to time. The curious of the crowd, and those in search of food, friends, water, toilets, or a friendly stranger, kept up a non-stop pilgrimage through the crowd.The lineups were terrible for food and water. I took two 1.5 liter bottles so I had plenty, but many were complaining. The music was great, but the pavement was very hot. They should dig most of it up and PLANT SOME TREES. The merciless sun beat down on people all day until late evening. Only the Rolling Stones performed in the cool of sunset, and that's when the cannabis smoking flowered. After the event the lineup for the subway was brutal.The crowd was also notable for notables. They included Premier Ernie Eves of Ontario, Alberta's Ralph Klein, Manitoba's Gary Doer and Saskatchewan's Lorne Calvert, all dishing out food at the barbecue tent to draw attention to Canada's other economic disaster, the fallout from a single instance of mad cow disease.Plenty of other politicians were in evidence: Ontario Health Minister Tony Clement and his federal counterpart, Anne McClellan, both made time to visit with health-care workers. Prime-minister-in-waiting Paul Martin. United States ambassador Paul Cellucci. Toronto city councillors Giorgio Mammoliti, Gloria Lindsay Luby and Chris Korwin-Kuczynski. Deputy Prime Minister John Manley.Kudos to the 4 Canadian Premiers for rolling up their sleeves and serving Canadian beef barbeque to show that one mad cow does not make the whole country's beef supply into a WMD. I hope Anne McLellan noticed that the pot smokers were not going insane and killing people or staggering around in oblivion. I hope Paul Martin, who may or may not be the next Canadian Prime Minister, and United States ambassador Paul Cellucci, noticed that there was no wave of violence caused by pot smoking, no "chemical warfare" by "weapons of mass destruction." Just a day of peace and music. The sun was a greater threat that anything else: maybe they should prohibit the sun. Mr. Montgomery Burns (The Simpsons) is smiling and licking his lips.Fans: This is my Woodstock (July 31) http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1059603009991&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154ego transcendence follows ego destruction, the people and the government are learning.
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Comment #31 posted by FoM on July 31, 2003 at 12:58:51 PT

bongman439
Since we are off talking about how unfair life is down here I didn't get to say how great it must have been for you. That is wonderful news to hear. We need some of that happiness and liberty down here.
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Comment #30 posted by FoM on July 31, 2003 at 12:06:55 PT

goneposthole
For me I've never believed in war. War kills people and I don't believe killing people solves anything. The only thing war does is make those who make the Implements of Destruction rich. The earth is being destroyed by all of it too.
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Comment #29 posted by BGreen on July 31, 2003 at 12:04:22 PT

Cheney is in more trouble than bush
anybody tied to this administration is going down faster than the titanic.The Rev. Bud Green
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Comment #28 posted by goneposthole on July 31, 2003 at 11:59:54 PT

450,000 happily stoned concert goers
150,000 weary US troops in Iraqthe bread and circus continuesUranium Weapons Cover-ups - a Crime against HumankindPiotr Bein, Ph.D., M.A.Sc., P.Eng.,Karen Parker, J.D., Diplome (Strasbourg)Paper prepared in January 2003, for a monograph Politics and Environmental Policy in the 21st Century, Faculty of Political Sciences, University of Belgrade…They are no moreAll powerful.As their secretsAre unfolded…Afon Claerwen, 28 November 2002AbstractKey words:radiological weapons, humanitarian law, crimes against humanity, information warfareMunitions that contain low-grade uranium 235 – insufficient to trigger nuclear explosion – are chemical-radiological weapons. They contain other toxic-radioactive elements and have indiscriminate effects. They are illegal by virtue of international conventions, laws and customs of war. When used in populated areas or in the presence of numerous troops (enemy or friendly), they become weapons of delayed but mass destruction (WMD). Fatal consequences of depleted uranium (DU) armour-piercing ammunition emerged in veterans and civilians after wars in the Persian Gulf and the Balkans. While the victims remain neglected, hundreds of tons of uranium from weapons developed in recent years against hard and buried targets have polluted Afghanistan. Up-coming war scenarios involve larger chemical-radiological contamination potential.The military, governments, and nuclear and weapon industries fail to or inadequately disclose the effects of uranium weapons, and manipulate inquiries of international health organizations. The media act as a propaganda outlet for these groups. The purpose of Information Operations behind the propaganda is to influence perceptions and actions of foreign and domestic public, governments, and intelligence. A spiraling group self-deception perpetuates the propaganda for fear of liability and criminal responsibility. Covering up information on war crimes and crimes against humanity, and military and foreign policy based on such information, are crimes themselves.Independent researchers urge priority actions to reverse the cycle of deception and human suffering ecause of deception on uranium weapons: (i) weapon inspections to determine which ones contain uranium, (ii) target inspection to identify those hit and contaminated by uranium weapons, (iii) health monitoring and support for target communities in uranium-contaminated areas, and (v) fundamental review of all research that was so far restricted to DU instead of uranium weaponry in general.The weapons clearly violate humanitarian law, even in the absence of a specific treaty barring their use. The violations related to the use of the weapons are sufficiently grave to be classified war crimes or crimes against humanity, which would impose legal liability and criminal sanctions on the users as well as fair compensation and other remedies for the victims of these weapons. A treaty banning uranium weaponry is not necessary, but preparations for one could be exploited to duck responsibility. Even beginning the process to draft a treaty could be used by the US to argue that any ban on uranium weaponry in light of existing customary law is null and void. The US uses public pressure for an anti-DU treaty to bolster its position and to argue against the existing ban. Unsuspecting activists play into the US position and seriously undermine all anti-uranium initiatives.http://www.uranwaffenkonferenz.de/background.htmwake up, speak up, oppose the war in Iraq
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Comment #27 posted by FoM on July 31, 2003 at 11:55:09 PT

BGreen
If Bush was impeached Dick Chaney would become the President until the election. Which one is worse I wonder?
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Comment #26 posted by FoM on July 31, 2003 at 11:45:08 PT

News Brief -- Associated Press
Stones Concert-Goers Blow Pot in Front of CopsAssociated PressJuly 31, 2003  
Toronto - There was plenty of grass at yesterday's Rolling Stones concert in Toronto - and it wasn't just the lawn people that were sitting on. The show attracted an estimated 450-thousand people to a park just north of the city. Police were looking the other way as concert-goers fired up their joints. The legal status of marijuana in the province has been in limbo, following court rulings that the federal marijuana law was invalid. One fan in the concert crowd said he saw people smoking pot right in front of the cops. 
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Comment #25 posted by BGreen on July 31, 2003 at 11:36:42 PT

A Happy Thought
bush should be impeached and charged with war crimes in the international court and then NOBODY will be running against bush.The Rev. Bud Green
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Comment #24 posted by FoM on July 31, 2003 at 11:20:13 PT

Here's a Really Hot Potato
Gore might run against Bush. Don't throw anything please! I'm just mentioning it.
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Comment #23 posted by darwin on July 31, 2003 at 11:16:16 PT

I agree with BGreen
I too have thought how nice it would be to move to Canada. But running away is never the answer. Remember the pendulum effect. It has swung so far to the right in the last few years that it will return to the left in full force. If all of us continue to tell the people around us what the media is paid not to tell us, the truth will come out. 
  I think we are seeing a repeat of the Nixon era as we speak. Already, many of the voting groups that supported Bush have shown their displeasure and are turning on the Neocons, even the DEA. The racists/bigots posting on the DEAwatch have grown more and more resentful for the support they gave Bush in 2000. The voter apathy in 2004 will be against Bush, and those that didn't care in 2000, do now or will soon as people like us keep saying that the emperor wears no clothes. 
  Regardless, Canada (while deserving of our admiration) is not the answer. If the US collapses, they will too, so it isn't the safe haven you think it is. They are just doing there job to pull us back to the left and away from the swastika the neocons are reaching for.

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Comment #22 posted by E_Johnson on July 31, 2003 at 11:15:39 PT

Trinity by Leon Uris
The novel Trinity by Leon Uris is really great for getting into the Irish problem. It follows the career of Irishman Conor Larkin as he goes through the stages of awareness that lead through apathy into activism and then confrontation, prison, war and liberation.At one time it was illegal to teach the Gaelic language and culture to children in Ireland. There were people called hedge teachers who roamed from town to town and hid in the hedges to secretly teach Irish children their own banned culture and language.When they were caught, they were hanged.That shows how serious the British government was about perpetuating the idea that the British were culturally superior to the Irish. It's a pretty powerful book. There are many parellels with the cannabis situation today.
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Comment #21 posted by FoM on July 31, 2003 at 10:54:16 PT

Just a Note
I don't want anyone to think we are land barrons if that's what it would be called. We inherited 2 of the homes and one is still empty. They all need new roofs too! 
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Comment #20 posted by firedog on July 31, 2003 at 10:39:22 PT

From the Guardian UK...
The Green party's spokesman on drugs has been jailed for six weeks for cultivating cannabis, it was announced today.http://politics.guardian.co.uk/green/story/0,9061,1009997,00.html
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Comment #19 posted by FoM on July 31, 2003 at 10:32:18 PT

EJ You Make Sense To Me
I am not smart like you and I appreciate your knowledge. I want to learn. I've never stopped wanting to find answers to my why questions.
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Comment #18 posted by E_Johnson on July 31, 2003 at 10:24:57 PT

Think colonialism FoM
Why do they hate us?Why did the British hate the Irish?The British invented many reasons to justify taking over Ireland and treating it as a colony. They blamed the Irish for not being British, and when the physical and emotional and cultural damages from colonialism began to pile up in Irish culture -- they blamed the Irish for that, too.Then when the Irish fought back with weapons being used against them -- they were labeled terrorists.If you look at the attributes given to the Irish by the British -- they match the attributes given by whites to nonwhites whom they want to rule over, in general, throughout the history of European colonization of the non-European world. Childish, impetuous, stupid, hypersexual, prone to violence, not capable of abstract thought, barely civilizable by religion. Not intelligent in general. Not motivated in general. But reasonably intelligent and motivated when it comes to criminal cunning or terrorist plotting. These are the attributes that the British projected onto everyone they gave themselves permission to colonize using their superior military pwer.These are the kinds of attributes that American colonists also trying to project upon the cannabis community. The idea that cannabis makes a person stupid and irresponsible -- that seems surprising when ones studies the science of cannabis. It does not seem surprising when one studies the politics of colonization.The Irish provided a lot of amusement for the British. Those silly jigs. The cute little leprachaun. Then there were the economic advantanges of colonizing Ireland -- for example their timber. Ireland was completely deforested to build British homes and to build slave ships. The maids and cooks and cleaners and butlers and chauffeurs -- there couldn't have been such a huge British upper class without so many Irish to do their laundry and clean their toilets.The cannabis community is also a valuable colony for mainstream America. They get our musical products -- Bob Marley and Louis Armstrong have earrned a lot of money for Americans. They get the products of our creativity. They get to use everything we think up, like granola and recycling and Mrs. Fields cookies and rock and jazz and the whole concept of hipness and who knows what else. I suspect the Internet was born under the influence of marijuana as well. They get to make cute movies like Dude Where's My Car, where we have the equivalent of the drunken Irishman doing his jig to amuse the British.And thanks to urine testing, they get to use us as a lower paid servant class, like the British used the Irish. Luckily for the British, it didn't take a urine test to identify someone as Irish.Why do they hate us? Hating us has been a pretty good gig for them so far. It's paid off, like hating the Irish paid off for the British.
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Comment #17 posted by FoM on July 31, 2003 at 10:21:16 PT

BGreen
Looking out at our land is my sanity. We have 25 acres. I do a lot of mowing and can reflect on what is important to me. We have 3 homes, a big barn and space to breathe. We could sell everything and if we were careful could probably get by but what to do, what to do. My husband and I were still talking and he was getting ready to leave and all of a sudden out of no where Neil Young's Song from Greendale called Bandit came on! It isn't released yet so we stopped what we were doing and listened. It's like the words were just for us.The words were: Someday you'll find everything you're looking for! 
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Comment #16 posted by FoM on July 31, 2003 at 10:14:02 PT

Thank You Max Flowers and Sam
I'm still irritable. I'm afraid that the concert has me that way. I watched how happy the people were at the concert on News World International yesterday and it made me feel so good inside. I kept thinking oh yes let people enjoy their life. That is so very important to me. Freedom to be who we are. I don't want everyone to think like me but I really wish for peace of mind that only a change in thinking down here will bring. Sometimes I want to buy a travel trailer and just keep on trucking. Never calling anywhere home. The earth would be home. I love our earth but what is happening to us, our beliefs, our values drives me to drink. I don't drink though or I'd probably be a raving lunatic.
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Comment #15 posted by BGreen on July 31, 2003 at 10:12:31 PT

If some people consider blowing the head off of
a little Iraqi child fighting for this country, I say we STAY AND FIGHT for OUR COUNTRY and REMOVE THE MURDERERS FROM POWER! I'm a land owner. I pay taxes. It's MY COUNTRY and I shouldn't have to run.FoM, take a look out your window at your beautiful Ohio landscape and let me know if it's worth fighting for.We have the TRUTH behind us so we're already the winners.The Peaceful Rev. Bud Green (looking at his acre of beautiful Missouri landscape and 43 trees, ready to fight for what's right.)
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Comment #14 posted by Max Flowers on July 31, 2003 at 09:55:03 PT

FoM
I hear you loud and clear. I've been where you just arrived (disgusted enough with the US and amazed at Canada's grace to move) for quite a few months now. Maybe even a year.I want to go and live in the gorgeous Vancouver Island area. My thing is, I want to know some people there first, feel like I have some Canadian friends urging me on, before I make the move. I don't want to feel like I am barging into their wonderful country.So I am going to try to go up there for a visit this summer and meet some people, talk about my feelings and hopefully get some encouragement to make the move. Something that makes it all even easier is knowing that within a couple of years my mother and stepfather are going to be moving to a new house on Orcas Island which is only an hour or two away by ferries.So if you're serious, tell ya what, we'll keep in touch and become friends and you guys will have another friend up there in addition to all the other friends I know you'll have up there. We can continue the fight from there... obviously you can run Cannabisnews.com from anywhere you want and for my part, I would feel even freer to speak out from Canada, helping them with their activism as well as continuing to work at changing things in the US.I'll bet that got ya thinkin'...?MF
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Comment #13 posted by Sam Adams on July 31, 2003 at 09:32:24 PT

FOM
Ha - I'm "irritable" also! There are plenty of people who are horrified at what's going on here. Although, how much of a comfort is that - it just makes you realize that plenty of Germans were horrified at the Nazis, too, but that didn't stop Allied bombs from falling on their houses either.It's always darkest before the dawn, though. I think most people tune out of civic and government affairs because everything is generally OK. Plenty of junk food to eat, plenty of shiny consumer goods for cheap at Wal-mart. Economic upheaval could change things overnight. Just wait until the economy tanks, I think people will have to wake up when we're all living in shanties.Interest rates are finally starting to rise, and when they do, the you-know-what is going to hit the fan. Everyone's been pumping their money into real estate for 10 years. When interested rates get high enough, people won't be able to afford houses and they'll stop buying That's when prices and home values plunges and the fun begins.The middle class is being eliminated, and that is not a stable long-term solution either. Our economy will collapse without a middle class. The most disturbing part for me is the media - they took Nixon down with glee. Now they seem to ignore far worse scandals, choosing to focus on a blow job instead of 9/11 culpability. I think that scares me the most.

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Comment #12 posted by FoM on July 31, 2003 at 08:42:50 PT

Sam and Everyone
I've been talking to my husband about news and how things are and I'm irritable. I resent what is happening here. I turn on our news and see news that isn't news at all. I want news that says something. I'm sick and tired of the news and don't watch it much at all anymore. Our country is run by people who seem to hate more then I can comprehend. Who do they hate? Us! They hate us and anyone who thinks outside the box. I am not going to live out the rest of my life following such judgmental additudes that are flowing from our political leaders. It drives me up a wall. Maybe we should seriously consider moving to Canada. That makes me angry too. I don't want to leave but at this pace what will people who are peace loving suppose to do? Something has to give and soon.
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Comment #11 posted by Sam Adams on July 31, 2003 at 08:32:31 PT

Concert
Sounds like a great time. Remember what happened at the last Woodstock in the good 'ole home of the brave? If I recall correctly, there was gang rape, arson, general mayhem, rioting, and theft. Again, I can't help but wonder how my European ancestors that came here ended up leaving me in with a bunch of violent thugs. How did our country turn into that? Has anyone seen the promos for the new movie "SWAT" that's coming out? The whole dumbing-down and sensationalism of our culture is really starting to get to me. Canada is looking better and better!
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Comment #10 posted by The GCW on July 31, 2003 at 05:50:38 PT

Mick and His - EXPLOSIVE DYNAMIC ENTRY 
is better than SWATSTIKA's EXPLOSIVE DYNAMIC ENTRY http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v03/n1148/a08.html?397What a list...0oOo0Oo I wish the gov. would quit blowing smoke up My ... 0OoO0o0oO
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Comment #9 posted by goneposthole on July 31, 2003 at 05:36:01 PT

more bread and circus
It is great that Torontonians are rising from the ashes of the sars outbreak. They needed a break, not another outbreak.however... It is interesting that the person who isolated the sars virus was the first to die and also was a microbiologist. Something is fishy about all of this obfuscation and it is hard to let it rest. William Bennett is absolved of his gambling sins because he lost money. The Bush cabal is absolved of its crimes against humanity in Iraq because of 911. The neocons have free reign of the US gov. and nobody cares. more bread and circus.The war on cannabis and cannabis users goes unabated.wake up from your mesmerized, somnambulistic state, and die right. Escapism from the realities of life are fine for a day. Today, though, stop what you are doing and give pause. Reflect on what is going on and find a way to help stop the madness. War madness, reefer madness, economic madness, and overall madness. Try to do what's best. Take care. Hoka hey. 
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Comment #8 posted by Motavation on July 31, 2003 at 00:22:38 PT:

*****21 GUN SALUTE*****
FoM I Salute you. I hope you don't think this is perverted in any way, but I think your the Britney Spears of Cannabis
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Comment #7 posted by bongman439 on July 31, 2003 at 00:10:59 PT

The Sun, Music, and Pot. What a day!!!
I just got home from the concert. What a blast. Sitting under the hot Ontario sun, listening to great bands and enjoying lots of great pot. And, surprise, surprise, people were just having a good time,and not causing any problems. I wonder if Anne McLellan and Paul Martin were paying attention.
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Comment #6 posted by FoM on July 30, 2003 at 21:52:34 PT

Glad I Made Sense BGreen!
Excerpts from Article: There were sweaty bodies in every direction, some sedated by their consumption of pot. The weed's scent wafted throughout the spacious grounds. Joints were smoked in some cases in the presence of police. Police said they would search thoroughly for drugs and even offered receptacles at the grounds' gates for their disposal. Steven Bacon, one of the first Canadians legally allowed to smoke pot for medicinal purposes, waved a Maple Leaf flag adorned with a hemp leaf as he smoked his marijuana. "I got a bit of the activist in me out here," he said. http://www3.cjad.com/content/cjad_news/article.asp?id=e073079A
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Comment #5 posted by BGreen on July 30, 2003 at 21:48:09 PT

Yep, it makes sense FoM
I saw .38 Special on Monday and The Charlie Daniels Band tonight. A lot of people were feeling pretty happy.The Rev. Bud Green
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Comment #4 posted by FoM on July 30, 2003 at 21:40:53 PT

BGreen
I am not musically inclined. I can't sing at all. I can't play an instrument. I'm not up on music but when music touches my heart I get very happy. Music soothes the savage beast. That's true. When almost a half a million people can get together and play cards and smoke some marijuana and be relaxed and enjoy the day it's a good thing. It's good because it helps put life in perspective. We need to escape the real world from time to time to get a handle on ourselves if this makes sense.
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Comment #3 posted by BGreen on July 30, 2003 at 21:30:59 PT

Cannabis equals Peace, Love and Harmony
Once again cannabis was consumed and the sky didn't fall. The Chicken Little bush administration with ashcroft and walters as the principle criminals just can't get anything to go their way.Rush has been a favorite band of my wife and mine since the 70's. They are phenomenal musicians. Triumph was another Canadian trio that absolutely rocked.All of the excitement that this concert created is exactly the reason I love being a professional musician. I have a great time doing what I love and the love is returned by the fans. Not many people get standing ovations as a regular part of their jobs.I take my job of entertaining an audience seriously, but I'd rather play in front of cannabis smokers than drunks any day.Rock on, Canada!The Rev. Bud Green
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Comment #2 posted by FoM on July 30, 2003 at 21:21:11 PT

Related Article
Excerpt from Article: It was a rare and rapturous event that brought together music fans, Canada's political elite and ordinary people who just wanted to be there. It was Woodstock, perhaps more civilized but with the same odour of marijuana permeating the air and young women dancing topless under cooling sprays of water.http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030730.umain0730_2/BNStory/National/
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Comment #1 posted by FoM on July 30, 2003 at 21:16:23 PT

It Seems Like It Was A Great Success
People were enjoying marijuana and playing cards! I can't wait to hear about it!
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