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Debating Pot 
Posted by CN Staff on July 07, 2003 at 14:41:31 PT
Letters To The Editor
Source: Washington Times 
Yesterday's Op-Ed column, "Canada, Maryland going to pot," is right on target. A good gauge of the facts of the column is how angry the legalizers get and what their comments on their pro-drug Internet sites decry.   They resorted to name-calling and wrote vile and insulting comments about writer Robert Weiner and this column. (They posted the column on the pro-drug site — http://www.cannabisnews.com — and their comments follow the column.)
This is a real education site for parents and grandparents to learn what young people are being told, especially about marijuana.   It's unfortunate that Maryland Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr., a Republican, allowed himself to become entangled with the pro-drug web that succeeded in passing the "medical" marijuana hoax bill in Maryland — even after hundreds, if not thousands, of parents, grandparents and service organization members wrote or called every single member of the legislature and Mr. Ehrlich, in an attempt to educate them to the fact that medicines, of any kind, should not be approved by voters or legislators — or governors.   Unfortunately, young people who watch these events get a very strong message that tells them, "Pot is OK — even with the governor." I personally contacted every member of both chambers of the Maryland legislature by e-mail and phone and hand delivered two lengthy educational pieces to every member. I received one response. It was a form letter from Delegate Ana Sol Gutierrez, Montgomery County Democrat, that said absolutely nothing related to the questions I had asked her.   Maryland voters should know that no one appears to be watching their legislature. On two occasions, when I was in the gallery watching the voting sessions, there were no more than four persons observing the proceedings. During this time, Delegate Joseph F. Vallario Jr., Prince George's County Democrat and chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, argued for giving drug traffickers higher points for good behavior so they could get out of jail sooner. The bill was HB 110, and it passed in the House. Please tell Mr. Vallario that "mind destruction" is a violent crime. Drugs destroy the brain.   HB 110 later failed in committee on the Senate side, but this ridiculous bill is a demonstration that we need a "legislative watch" committee in our state and that we need more balance in the numbers between Democrat and Republican elected officials. The Maryland legislature is so out of balance that there is no discussion. There is close to a two-thirds majority of Democrats.   Finally, Mr. Ehrlich and our Canadian friends need to hear from constituents that we do not want marijuana legalized and we believe protection of children is primary. Let the Food and Drug Administration decide what's medicine.      JOYCE NALEPKA - http://www.drug-freekids.org/  President   Drug-Free Kids: America's Challenge      •      It's ironic that Robert Weiner, former public affairs director for the White House Drug Policy Office, chose to willfully misconstrue the facts regarding the medicinal use of marijuana ("Canada, Maryland going to pot," Op-Ed, yesterday) mere days after delegates of the American Nurses Association (ANA) convened in Washington and resolved to "support the right of patients to have safe access to therapeutic marijuana."   Who do you believe? A career-long policy wonk with no medical training or experience, or the registered nurses who have dedicated their lives to attend to the needs of the sick and dying?   Despite the propaganda spread by those like Bob Weiner, 80 percent of Americans support legalizing marijuana for medical purposes, according to the latest Time magazine/CNN poll. So also do the boards of no less than 80 state and national health care organizations, including the American Public Health Association, the AIDS Action Council and the New England Journal of Medicine.   Our neighbor to the north, Canada, recently legalized and regulated the use of marijuana under a physician's supervision — a decision that rightly creates a legal distinction between the medicinal and recreational use of marijuana and sensibly removes patients from the front lines of the war on drugs. Congress and the Bush administration would be wise to do the same.      PAUL ARMENTANO - http://www.norml.org/  Senior policy analyst   National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws   Washington   Newshawk: Paul ArmentanoSource: Washington Times (DC)Published: July 02, 2003 Copyright: 2003 News World Communications, Inc. Website: http://www.washtimes.com/Contact: letters washingtontimes.comRelated Articles & Web Site:NORMLhttp://www.norml.org/Canada, Maryland Going To Pothttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread16743.shtmlEhrlich Signs Marijuana Bill http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread16364.shtml 
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Comment #38 posted by freedom fighter on July 08, 2003 at 22:12:58 PT
All about the Conservative Crowd 
I love it when the conservative crowd scream, "Why did the people want that law?".I say, "Why, you say?""Look, we understood we could not make it illegal to be young or poor or black in the United States, but we could criminalize their common pleasure. We understood that drugs were not the health problem we were making them out to be, but it was such a perfect issue for the Nixon White House that we couldn't resist it." http://www.sonic.net/~doretk/Issues/96-08%20AUG/smokeanmirrors.htmlTypical response from the conservative clowns.."I see. It was to "criminalize the common pleasure" of the Negroes. And just when they were starting to have a good time, too.Yeah, that's sounds like it would fit right in with your black helicopters, CIA agents flying to Alaska to tear down posters, the DEA calling the Governor of Alaska and threatening to take away his highway money, and all that.You're right -- I don't know why you smoke marijuana. But I can certainly see the effects of it."Coming from same this poster who stated."The vast majority of people do not drink alcohol to get high. It's used in religious ceremonies, social occassions, recipes, and celebrations. Alcohol is part of our culture -- marijuana is part of the sub-culture."Coming right from the pages of ah-oh-so-ever conservative crowd... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/940541/posts?page=6In fact, one of the fool stated!It's All or Nothing!All right thennn!All about labels!I am a FREEDOM FIGHTER, FREEDOM LOVER, REFORMER, LEGALIZER, PROHIBITIONIST, RELEGALIZER, 100% LIBERTIAN, 10% CONSERVATIVE, LOVER OF ANYONE'S HIGHER POWER AS LONG THEY DO NOT PROMOTE DEATH, DEAF PERSON, CANNABIST...........in short,A simple human being..Is that all right with everyone?Good nite to you all...paceff
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Comment #37 posted by Hope on July 08, 2003 at 20:15:58 PT
Legalizer?
Yes.I am.
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Comment #36 posted by druid on July 08, 2003 at 12:13:05 PT
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Comment #35 posted by Hope on July 08, 2003 at 10:55:27 PT
Amen, Phatboy.
"We want a peaceful country. Not a police state with overcrowded prisons, destroyed families, busted state budgets and no money to educate our children. Enough is enough. Peace and God Bless."
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Comment #34 posted by Trekkie on July 08, 2003 at 09:45:04 PT
Joyce, Joyce, Joyce (shakes head),
"The bill was HB 110, and it passed in the House. Please tell Mr. Vallario that "mind destruction" is a violent crime. Drugs destroy the brain."You should read the REST of the articles, here on CNews. Studies show that cannabis DOES NOT destroy the brain. Lies, propoganda and outright BS destroy the brain. The utter disgust and shear anger at corrupt and morally barkrupt system of treachery and treason, and the heartbreaking inability to affect a change in the system; now THAT will destroy the brain.And to let the FDA decide what is medicine? Deaths due to illicit drugs (herion, crack, cocaine, etc.) in the US are in the thousands. Deaths due to PRESCRIBED drugs (approved by the FDA) are in the TENS of thousands. The FDA, DEA, and all the rest, are only interested in protecting corporate interests and preserving their jobs. If anyone has a link to the actual death toll numbers (posted somewhere here), please feel free to post them.
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Comment #33 posted by darwin on July 08, 2003 at 08:58:43 PT
$$$
It's not that they are scared of trying a new approach, it's that there is too much money to be made with the current model. Lawyers, Law Enforcement, Urine suckers, corrections, pharmaceuticals, & etc. will greedily defend their livelihoods till the bitter end. Check out how much money is given to politicians from lawyers and law firms.http://opengov.media.mit.edu/How much money do reformers like us give to politicians?
In Washington, money talks and BS walks.
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Comment #32 posted by phatboy on July 08, 2003 at 08:20:13 PT:
Legalizer?
I agree that there are many people that cringe when you say the word "legalize". I, similar to Duzt, like to say I'm a realizer. I've realized our system has failed miserably. It's time we turned away from this failed system. And why is it that we can't even discuss options counter to zero tolerance prohibition? Do you not think that we could change the laws back if we saw that regulating these substances didn't work? Why are they so afraid to try a different approach? Seems to me that it's because they have invested their life in this and they just don't want to admit they've failed. They should have never invested in such an inhumane and unconstitutional policy. Time for the prohibitionists to go. We want a peaceful country. Not a police state with overcrowded prisons, destroyed families, busted state budgets and no money to educate our children. Enough is enough. Peace and God Bless.
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Comment #31 posted by Treeanna on July 08, 2003 at 07:51:47 PT
Woot!
Nice! :)
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Comment #30 posted by Arthropod on July 08, 2003 at 01:33:45 PT:
An observation about marijuana "health risks"
Ever noticed that the government usually decries the health risks of marijuana as the opening point of most of their propaganda? I find this odd, as almost all of this risk comes from the fact that users are consuming the plant by smoking it. This is the most effective method of getting high, but also carries the most health risks of all methods of consuming. Most people smoke marijuana because they either dont know any other way of consuming, or like me, simply cant afford to do it any other way. I have had the opportunity to try baked cannabis(brownies, mmm...), as I just got out of chef training and figured I wanted to eat it at least once and see what all the fuss was about. The high was incredible, I just wish that I could afford to cook with cannabis more often. Anyways, my point is that if cannabis were legalized, smoking would probably drop out of favor as the method of choice for mj consumers, thereby cutting out most of the health risks. Just imagine walking down to the local drug commissary and picking up a bottle of 120 proof "Green Thunder".
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Comment #29 posted by Virgil on July 07, 2003 at 22:52:33 PT
P.S, comment25 - The Cannabis Perspective
Usually, I would think of the cannabis perspective in relation to the political arena, to see that lies to a politician are like a hoe to a gardener- just a useful tool. The other cannabis perspective is also revealing. It has to do with the After Discovery of an individual. A person with one eye can see everything but lacks the second eye to give things depth. I could see saying that cannabis gives you a second eye to give everything new layers. For me there was the day I looked at the forest and saw all the shades of green. Everything used to seem to be the same old green, but even now when I want to see the wonder of it all, I look for the shades of green. To cut tall grass and see how fragile a green the new growth looks next to its taller and mean green neighbor would not be possible without that cannabis perspective. You may not understand that, but one thing is for sure, the government does not want you to find out either.And "The Emperor Wears No Clothes"- http://www.jackherer.com/chapters.html - is the online edition of Jack Herer's famous book with the documentary "The Emperor of Hemp" at http://www.crrh.org/hemptv/video_docs.html being the next thing I would watch after the movie "Grass"- which is also on the crrh.org/hemptv as well as pot-tv.Grow the culture. Learn of the two perspectives of cannabis. Do you think "CANNABIS PROHIBITION is Restraining the Use of Cannabis." I do and do not like it. Others surely feel the same way, but if cannabis use does not go up, that is a bad thing. I hate to hear the stupid remark that less draconian laws might increase use. They say that like it is a bad thing. We need millions of alcoholics on cannabis to break their addiction and others to try the superior alternative to alcohol so they may not experience the pain and ruin that can come with this in-your-face advertised demon. So I said it. I am for increased use of cannabis and for the Freedom of Cannabis For Everyone. I would like to see smoking go down with stronger stuff and alternative delivery methods like soup. Get a cannabis perspective- both of them. And jury nullification to you all. 
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Comment #28 posted by freedom fighter on July 07, 2003 at 21:10:07 PT
A rebuttal to Joyce letter
Dear Editor..After reading Joyce's letter, I must say something about the site she mentioned..This site, www.cannabisnews.com is not a pro-drug site.. Never I have seen anybody offering any kind of drugs on that site. What that site does do is present both sides to the issue.. Cannabis. What's interesting about Joyce's letter is that she is a registered member of CannabisNews.com. She would often posted her thinkings. But, she would never debate it.The Cannabisnews veterans affectionely would call her a hit and run artist.Cordially Yourspazff
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Comment #27 posted by FoM on July 07, 2003 at 20:32:16 PT
Hi Everyone
I'm having computer problems so if I disappear you will know why. I think it's my monitor but it could be my computer. Don't worry because if I go away I'll be back as fast as I can figure out what the problem is. 
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Comment #26 posted by ekim on July 07, 2003 at 20:24:10 PT
welcome new readers
if you would like to see what the banning of Cannabis has done to this country please go to the web site of the Hemp Industry. you will see that many countrys are growing and processing this plant for paper, fiber, partical board, composite auto parts for BMW, and most importantly the use of its fine oil for healthy diets. see the chapter on Faqs see that the USA is on the bottom of the pyle. with no jobs for farmers here growing Cannabis, or factory workers making fine fabrics, or fine paper. see what Prohibition has done to this country and to the world. www.thehia.org
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Comment #25 posted by Virgil on July 07, 2003 at 20:17:13 PT
Jack and Jill...
Jack and Jill went up the hill to smoke some hydro primo.Jack wanted Jill after a little vapor and porno.Mom called the law, governed by venom and hiss. And Jack got screwed without even a kiss.If you are new to Cnews I would like to present the reasonCANNABIS PROHIBITION live in1 word --- corruption
2 words--- controlled media
3 words--- It's the money
4 words--- Lies, Bullshit, and Obfuscation (LB&O)If you continue reading Cnews at some point you should read "A Drug War Carol" at http://www.adrugwarcarol.com/ and "The Emperor of Hemp" at Pot-tv -- http://www.pot-tv.net/ -- carries the movie "Grass." That is about where all things start. After that there is the Canadian Senate Report from last year that will tell you in one place everything you need for a solid base in understanding the cannabis perspective. The Senate Report called for regulation of consumption and growth for people over 16 and acknowledge the laws have always been wrong by recommending removing the criminal records of people hoaxed with a bogus victimless cannabis charge.For myself, why don't you make that tee-shirt transfer with your list of something like the Ten Commandments, except not encompassing any mythology of religion. More like The Ten Cannabisments It's almost like it was made to happen I guess to fundamentalist. It is a remarkable fit for our versatile friend, Mary Jane Cannabis. Maybe there is a conversion when you experience MJ. Once you get to know her mj is fine. But with MJ you have AD as in After Discovery and BC which is Before Cannabis. And to be honest, what would settle this once and for all in your own mind is "HAVE A BUD." Eat it and see. It will not hurt you if you eat it every day. Seeds are mighty nutricious too. One thing the Liberators for a Free Mary Jane fail are a little slack on is describing the nutrition of hemp oil and seeds. The best thing to do is a Google for "Flax seeds" and see if flax is better than hemp for heart disease. The second one down should offer free flax seeds. It might be nice if someone would mail out free samples of hemp and maybe include one of these Ten Cannabisments. It really is easy to make tee shirt iron-onsThe first CANNABISMENT is CANNABIS PROHIBITION is Wrong. If you remember but 11 words remember this "The hardest thing to say in life is "I am wrong."Now if you are A.D. you would know the list is for you to make. Of course we talk cannabis but the real issue is ending of cannabis prohibition. So on the issue of the Ten Cannabisments for ending prohibition I say for now, (A.D. you learn you can change your mind)CANNABIS PROHIBITION is Wrong.CANNABIS PROHIBITION is A Hoax.CANNABIS PROHIBITION is Mass Murder.CANNABIS PROHIBITION is Robbery.CANNABIS PROHIBITION is A Crime Against Humanity.CANNABIS PROHIBITION is Crime Against Nature(give 1 2 JoyceCANNABIS PROHIBITION is Totally UnAmericanCANNABIS PROHIBITION is Defended With TreasonCANNABIS PROHIBITION is Insanity Squared.CANNABIS PROHIBITION is Stupidity On Steroids.Ask the choir what they think. It sure would be easy to have "The Twelve Cannabisments for Free Cannabis For Everyone."
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Comment #24 posted by cloud7 on July 07, 2003 at 19:17:11 PT
A few more thoughts 
The prohibitionists and the antiprohibitionists arent that different with respect to the fact that we both want children drug free. But, the difference is we dont believe it is the best policy to slap a criminal record on every marijuana user whether he is a responsible user or not. A better solution would be to impose very harsh consequences on regulated establishments that do distribute to minors. The best policy cannot be having a completely unregulated black market that allows easy access to marijuana for all ages and turns high school students into drug dealers with the lure of large profits. If we want a chance at reducing childrens drug use, it is through honest education and tightly controlled distribution.
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Comment #23 posted by charmed quark on July 07, 2003 at 18:59:18 PT
Joyce - I'd like to talk
Joyce - I suffer from a condition you disparaged -"headaches". Actually, it is a severe type of migraine with seizure-like attacks that leave me almost disabled. For 15 years I tried medications for the condition. None of these medications were meant to "cure" the condition, only reduce the frequency or temporarily relieve the symptoms. In your article, you said cannabis doesn't cure anything - well, neither do most medication we take. They treat symptoms.Anyway - for 15 years nothing worked and I had severe side effects to some of the meds. I finally tried cannabis at the suggestion of a nurse practitioner. It's been almost a miracle, aborting the migraines and also acting as a preventative. I now only use THC in oral form, I don't need to smoke it.But I guess you think that I just do it to get high. But actually, I don't like the high sensation, although I find it less intense than the "high" from many of the prescription meds I've taken for migraine. But it gets old fast, when one has to take a med on a regular basis. Especially as I associate it with migraines. Yech! So I normally take the med at bedtime so that I won't be bothered by the high.Anyway, I don't think you have known many people with untreatable diseases who have to resort to things like cannabis. I suggest you talk to some of us and get to know who uses cannabis and why before you write your next article.Thanks, and I will respond to your posts here.-Pete
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Comment #22 posted by freedom fighter on July 07, 2003 at 18:47:38 PT
Cyber Madness Pop Quiz # 2
Which of the following numbers true as to how many pounds or tons of cannabis did the World consumed last year?A: 3 poundsB: 30 tonsC: 300 tonsD: 30,000 tonspazff
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Comment #21 posted by SoberStoner on July 07, 2003 at 18:35:30 PT
FoM
You should have seen my original message:)I just usually take my time when i post so i know it sounds logical and doesnt seem overly disjointed..i hate making brash postings because I've learned that what you think will never come back to haunt you is usually what does:)Oh wait..i'm supposed to be a maniacal drug crazed fiend who doesnt think about anything except killing the next person he sees so he can get a 'fix'(or even worse...a LEGALIZER *shudder*)..umm..Booga booga...or something like that..I wear Legalizer like a badge of honor...being for legalization is a GOOD thing..quite opposite to what the goverment tells you, just like with other subjects...When someone calls you hippy, or stoner, or pothead, or peacenik (never have understood how peacenik can be used as an insult either, but anyway) just smile and say thank you..and then tell them why you are proud of your choice to support freedom for ALL americans.SS
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Comment #20 posted by FoM on July 07, 2003 at 18:18:17 PT
SoberStoner
You didn't say anything that seemed wrong to me. You just said how you feel. Joyce always says how she feels.
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Comment #19 posted by SoberStoner on July 07, 2003 at 18:14:14 PT
Sorry for the outburst
For those of you just joining us, please excuse my outburst..Joyce is a rather common subject around here since a large majority of what she says can be easily refuted (and usually is here)We may get upset, and we may be vile and insulting sometimes. We are dealing with a subject that should be very important for anyone who values freedom. As such tempers can flare high..But when it all comes back down to normal, we all respect one another as human beings. We just want the truth to be known.So pull up a comfy chair, bookmark the homepage (www.cannabisnews.com) not this page and get ready to open yourself to opinions that may be more popular than what you've been told they are.And Joyce...you're still a stupid little twit..but you make our case easier and easier to prove..thank youSS
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Comment #18 posted by SoberStoner on July 07, 2003 at 18:08:56 PT
You want vile joyce?
you cage us for a PLANT you stupid little twitAnd if you think thats vile, you should have heard what i said when i read your brain-rotting 'message'..i would repeat it here, except i have more respect for the people here than you seem t have for our entire culture..I hope you get the final judgement you deserve.SS
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Comment #17 posted by freedom fighter on July 07, 2003 at 17:58:23 PT
A Cyber Reefer Madness Pop Quiz
for Joyce and the newcomers..Which of the following statement is the reason why we have Controlled Substance Act?A: "My book Smoke and Mirrors: The War on Drugs and the Politics of Failure begins with the presidential campaign of 1968 when Richard Nixon won the White House. Nixon depended in the 1968 campaign on mobilizing the white middle-class constituency to resent and fear the anti-war left and inner city blacks. Drugs began to be used as a code to stand for problems we could not discuss in open language-race, class, politics. Nixon mobilized a white middle-class constituency and won the White House on a law-and-order campaign.Then he had to deliver, and that was the problem. The federal government had no role in law and order except customs, organized crime, and interstate crime. The average person on the street never saw federal law enforcement. John Ehrlichman said to me, "Look, we understood we could not make it illegal to be young or poor or black in the United States, but we could criminalize their common pleasure. We understood that drugs were not the health problem we were making them out to be, but it was such a perfect issue for the Nixon White House that we couldn't resist it." Bob Haldeman, Richard Nixon's Chief of Staff, wrote in his diary, "President Nixon emphasized that you have to face the fact that the whole problem is really the blacks. The key is to devise a system that recognizes this while not appearing to." http://www.sonic.net/~doretk/Issues/96-08%20AUG/smokeanmirrors.html B: Gary's HealthC: Dying Susie's HealthD: Childrenpaceff
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Comment #16 posted by mayan on July 07, 2003 at 17:49:31 PT
FoM...
Congratulations on the free publicity! Joyce might just bring the end of prohibition sooner than we ever could. With enemies like Joyce, who needs friends? Don't count on her commenting here again because we've already blown all of her weak arguments to smithereens! Thanks, Joyce!
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Comment #15 posted by Prime on July 07, 2003 at 17:42:26 PT
Thanks Joyce...
Your vile hatred of anyone who disagrees with you only helps our cause.We are the educated and open-minded. We seek new solutions to old problems. We seek discussion, insight, and most of all... the truth.What do you seek Joyce?Wishing you well,Prime
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Comment #14 posted by FoM on July 07, 2003 at 17:28:28 PT
One More Note
Joyce is registered to post on CNews. I hope she does comment. I would like to hear what she has to say.Thank you John Wayne. You all have made CNews mature into a web site that is full of knowledge and wisdom and I congratulate you and everyone too for making it all possible.
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Comment #13 posted by FoM on July 07, 2003 at 17:15:55 PT
A Note
Since Joyce and maybe other parents are reading CNews I want to make how I feel perfectly clear. I want to know why it is necessary to arrest, prosecute and incarcerate people that experiment with a drug that isn't legal in the eyes of the government? Ritalin is legal for young people to take when prescribed by a Doctor. I've seen children on Ritalin and they were speeding. Why is that ok? This double standard is what makes the youth think they aren't being told the truth about drugs. Cannabis isn't a man made drug but a substance that has been on this earth since the beginning of time. Cannabis has never directly killed anyone ever. People have been killed by being shot during a raid but that isn't the fault of Cannabis.
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Comment #12 posted by john wayne on July 07, 2003 at 17:08:41 PT
prohibitionist press takes notice
of this lil' ole website?Now that's real progress.FoM, congratulations. They've actually started to take notice from within the castle walls. You must be doing something right!
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Comment #11 posted by freedom fighter on July 07, 2003 at 17:07:29 PT
Joyce's "Mind"
The insight of the thinking astounds me from time to time..I really wonder if any head shrink would bother to take care of Joyce's mind? Yeah, I remembered Joyce, so many times... We all were so sweet when we called Joyce a hit-run artist.. I remembered how many names she wrote under here.It's awesome that Joyce took the time to write about Cnews... I could'nt pretend to know why. I supposed we are her enemy!Anyhow, I, instead, am not going to let this distract my thinking..Joyce, in your letter as well as Mr. Bob Weiner, there is not one word mentioning in your thoughts..JAIL!For the newcomers, welcome to the Cnews... Alot of friendly people..Ahh, maybe I should rewrite the words I have just written...It's more like WELCOME TO THE CYBER REEFER MADNESS!thump, thump, thumpBe forewarned, if you so dare to venture the Cnews Castle, it is very possible that you can and will be addicted.You do not have to smoke pot. The old and the young who dared ventured here became enslaved without lighting a single joint!Find out why! I dared you! pazff
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Comment #10 posted by Duzt on July 07, 2003 at 17:03:37 PT
not legalization but regulation
The conservative crowd will always be scared of the word "legalization". They like to live in a world of strict rules and regulations. When I talk to people about cannabis laws, I always use the word regulation instead of legalization. I want a market that is regulated and somewhat controlled like alcohol (you can brew your own up to a certain amount) but where the people selling it or businesses for that matter are responsible for what they sell and it's taxed. The market needs to be state regulated; I'm not a legalizer, I'm a regulator.
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Comment #9 posted by JR Bob Dobbs on July 07, 2003 at 17:00:39 PT
Pre-freedom
I'm pro-freedom. I believe you should not face legal sanctions for whatever goes into or comes out of your mouth.
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Comment #8 posted by FoM on July 07, 2003 at 16:11:55 PT
I'm Not a Pro Drug Legalizer
That is a term that is way off base the way I see it. I'm not pro drug but anti prison for drug offenses. 
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Comment #7 posted by Virgil on July 07, 2003 at 16:09:34 PT
Somewhat true Joyce
A good gauge of the facts of the column is how angry the legalizers get and what their comments on their pro-drug Internet sites decry. Yes the comments accurately described the article as a compilation of lies and nonsense that the prohibitionists bore everyone with. While agreeing with the good gauge part, I would have to say that people that know generally feel a continued sadness as the nonsense and lies keep rolling along. If I were stuck editing this I would insert the word anti-prohibitionists instead of legalizers. This would be more educational and might crowd out a few stupid words that you have already worn out.If 41% of Americans believe that cannabis should be regulated like T&A, then what percentage of the college graduates thing that regulation is the way to go? Now if that came out it would show that the most educated among us have come to the Logical Conclusion while the not so educated lean toward the failure spelled P-R-O-H-I-B-I-T-I-O-N. I realize 35% of people are functionally illiterate and if we educate them, they too will come to the Logical Conclusion. And supporting cannabis prohibition is W-R-O-N-G, dead wrong at that.
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Comment #6 posted by medicinal toker on July 07, 2003 at 15:57:38 PT
the FDA
Joyce,Since you apparently are an avid reader of cannabisnews, let me ask you this.You wrote, "Let the Food and Drug Administration decide what's medicine."When the FDA originally approved the IND protocols for the 6 or 7 Americans still receiving medical marijuana from the U.S. government, they did decide marijuana was medicine.Choosing to withhold it from other Americans is simply cruel, and that you would support withholding medicine from people sick and dying through no fault of their own, indicates that you lack basic human compassion.That you lobby in support of the current laws that arrest and jail and brutalize the sick and dying means you lack basic humanity.If the day comes that you or a loved one, through illness or accident, develop a serious medical condition and nothing else works, maybe you'll understand.Your group should be called, "Compassion-Free Adults: America's Challenge.The Nurses get it. Health organizations get it, but you are blind.I don't think you are a lost cause, though. Someday you'll realize the harm you caused, but it will be too late for all the people your advocacy for withholding medicine hurt, people who died in pain.I'd hate to have to live with that burden. Someday, you'll have to face your Creator, and you'll have some explaining to do.What possesses you to make war on some of our most vulnerable people?
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Comment #5 posted by Kegan on July 07, 2003 at 15:37:39 PT
Welcome Children
Welcome Children of all ages. Feel free to ask questions.We will tell you the truth, no matter what. And if one of us tells a lie, the rest will jump down his throat.We will not treat you like underlings or property or voters or consumers. We will treat you like people.We will not tell you what you should or should not do, except this: You SHOULD always continue to seek knowledge.Welcome to the beginning of The Cleanup.
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Comment #4 posted by afterburner on July 07, 2003 at 15:25:45 PT:
Joyce Is Overreacting.
"They resorted to name-calling and wrote vile and insulting comments about writer Robert Weiner and this column. (They posted the column on the pro-drug site — http://www.cannabisnews.com — and their comments follow the column.)" Name-calling? Vile and insulting? The only thing approximating such descriptions was the term prohibitionist, hardly an inaccurate description, and an implication that Robert Weiner is a wiener. The bulk of the comments were logical and polite, while disagreeing with the authors' viewpoints. Talk about insulting: to label cannabisnews as pro-drug is a manipulative misrepresentation; cannabisnews is pro-drug-policy-reform.  "This is a real education site for parents and grandparents to learn what young people are being told, especially about marijuana." This is not a site for young people, but we're happy that parents and grandparents want to get the real facts about drug issues to supplement the propaganda that the mass media frequently report.ego transcendence follows ego destruction, if you want it.
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Comment #3 posted by delariand on July 07, 2003 at 15:01:41 PT
One more thing..
The Food and Drug Administration you hold in such high esteem has absolutely no problem with the recent trend toward prescribing Ritalin to children. Did you know that Ritalin is in the same chemical family as Methamphetamine? In fact, if a doctor sees fit, a child can be prescribed Methamphetamine as well. In fact, the list of mind and behavior altering drugs that the FDA has approved for use on children is staggering. The long term negative effects of these drugs have for the most part not been studied, as the drugs are too new to see any long term use. Just like Cocaine and Heroin in the past, and more recently drugs like Valium and Percocet and Oxycontin, these were all drugs made by pharmeceutical companies and deemed safe by the FDA at one point in the history of our country. These are all highly addictive and harmful substances, but with a prescription they can be given to a child without the slightest objection from the government!You trust the FDA? They have no problem with drugging our children, and they could care less for their welfare.
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Comment #2 posted by cloud7 on July 07, 2003 at 14:57:24 PT
Congratulations FoM!
Free publicity!! 
"(They posted the column on the pro-drug site — http://www.cannabisnews.com — and their comments follow the column.)"I hope a lot of parents do come here and find a "real education site for parents and grandparents to learn what young people are being told, especially about marijuana."Well, what will they find when they come here? The truth, of course! I bet Joyce is wringing her hands every time another lie is debunked here and every time we organize to work for freedom.THANKS JOYCE!!! Now, more people can find the truth here everyday!! To all the newcomers, add this to your favorites list so you too can find out the lies you've been fed for so long!!
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Comment #1 posted by delariand on July 07, 2003 at 14:56:24 PT
Ah, Joyce
So you do read our little site. I have a message for you, and I invite you to respond to quicksylv hotmail.comIf you really cared about the welfare of our children, you'd be supporting legalization. Think of alcohol and tobacco. It's absolutely horrible that so many children lose parents to tobacco and alcohol abuse. Despite this, these substances are legal and regulated. Now, think about illegal drugs. Not only do children lose otherwise good parents to abuse of drugs, they also lose otherwise good parents to convictions for drug offences, to street wars between drug dealers, to social services... More harm than the problem of abuse could ever have caused on it's own.Just as there are responsible alcohol drinkers, there are responsible drug users. Some drugs are less responsible than others, for example I would never say a regular user of cocaine is responsible, but I would never say a regular user of tobacco is responsibe either. The point is, not only do the draconian policies of the War on Drugs fail to lessen the harms of drug abuse, they create a slew of new harms, taking a much harsher toll on society than drug use would on it's own.Please, re-evaluate your position, with a open mindset of logic and realism. Please, think of the children.
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