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  Marijuana Rights Group Wants to Sue Drug Czar 

Posted by CN Staff on November 19, 2002 at 17:10:31 PT
By Kelley Beaucar Vlahos 
Source: FoxNews.com 

Backers of drug reform policy say White House officials overstepped their bounds by using taxpayer funds to actively campaign against statewide ballot initiatives in the last election.One group says the federal government might have broken the law and is considering a lawsuit to bring to light what they say are unethical activities by the White House.
Bruce Mirkin, a spokesman for the Marijuana Policy Project, said any formal suit would target the Office of National Drug Control Policy and Drug Czar John Walters, who made trips to Ohio, Nevada and Arizona in the last year to lobby against state ballot initiatives there."There are legal, and frankly, moral questions here, particularly when you consider that he went through some effort in his campaign to demonize those who were running these initiatives while he runs his own campaign with an open checkbook of taxpayer money," Merkin charged.Drug reform initiatives in several states failed at polls on Nov. 5. In Arizona, 57 percent of citizens killed a plan that would have allowed the state to distribute marijuana for medicinal purposes.In Nevada, a plan to decriminalize possession of under three ounces of marijuana failed by 57 percent. And in Ohio, 61 percent of voters knocked down an attempt to change sentencing laws to send first and second-time drug offenders to treatment instead of jail. Drug law amendments in South Dakota also failed.Allen St. Pierre, executive director of the National Organization to Reform Marijuana Laws, said while the initiatives failed for many reasons, the federal government’s aggressive efforts at defeating them should not go unchecked."It doesn’t pass the Joe Six-Pack stink test," St. Pierre said. "It doesn’t feel right. If they take money from the federal bureaucracy to travel to another state to deter its citizens from voting a certain way … it may be criminal."But the drug czar’s office disagrees. Walters’ job is "to go across the country and educate people about the dangers of drugs and that’s exactly what he did," said Jennifer Devallance, spokeswoman for the ONDCP, which receives an estimated $20 billion a year to conduct its anti-drug efforts.When told about the Marijuana Policy Project’s interest in bringing legal charges against his office for campaigning, Walters said, "That’s fine, if that’s how they want to spend their resources – if there’s anything the government has plenty of, it’s lawyers."Todd Gaziano, legal studies director for the Heritage Foundation, said the critics may not have a legal leg to stand on – given that there are federal laws against marijuana and drug sentencing guidelines, which make any changes to the laws, even at the state level, a federal interest."Whether you support criminal drug laws or not, the federal government has an interest in explaining to state residents that a state's changes won’t remove the federal prohibitions," he said.Tim Lynch, a criminal studies expert at the Cato Institute, said it might not be that simple."I do think the government is stepping outside its proper role. They should not be engaging in state politics," Lynch said."If what he wants to do there is say that federal drug law takes precedence over the state and we will enforce the law, that’s fine. But if he says anything like, passage of this [initiative] would be terrible, that’s state politicking."Gaziano, however, said expressing a personal view it not the same as politicking."In the course of explaining [the federal interest], if they also express their personal heartfelt view that drugs are bad and horrible ... that’s an extension of their free speech."Apparently that’s what Walters, as well as Drug Enforcement Agency Director Asa Hutchinson, did. In several appearances, both men said they would actively campaign against the initiatives because they were dangerous to citizens."I am going into every state that has a ballot initiative and working with people in community coalitions," Walters said before setting off to Las Vegas to campaign against Nevada’s Question 9 in September.Critics say the government was not only able to send its heavy hitters to garner media attention and work with local and state officials and law enforcement against the initiatives, but was behind a multimillion-dollar anti-marijuana ad blitz conveniently launched at the same time."I think there is little doubt that the federal government made a concerted effort to put together a game plan that sought to scarily defeat democracy," said St. Pierre.Those fighting against the initiatives point out that the supporters had big outside backing from billionaire philanthropists George Soros, John Sperling and Peter Lewis, who have been behind many of the drug reform initiatives across the country in recent years.And state workers, including Jenny Camper, spokeswoman for Ohio's Campaign Against Unsafe Drug Laws, which was co-chaired by Ohio's first lady Hope Taft, said their group didn't need the federal muscle to push their positions."We didn't need a lot of presence from national folks. We did really well without their support."Newshawk: Cannabis Crusader Source: FoxNews.comAuthor: Kelley Beaucar VlahosPublished: Wednesday, November 20, 2002Copyright: Fox News Network, LLC 2002Website: http://www.foxnews.com/Contact: foxnewsonline foxnews.comRelated Articles & Web Sites:NORMLhttp://norml.orgMarijuana Policy Projecthttp://www.mpp.org/Drug Reformers Are Regroupinghttp://freedomtoexhale.com/abocr.htmMarijuana Backers Pledge Continued Effortshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread14680.shtmlState Voters Reject Legalizing Marijuanahttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread14671.shtml

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Comment #24 posted by afterburner on November 21, 2002 at 11:07:11 PT:
The GCW: "The Dems are out of choices"
Your words are the most encouraging so far since the election and the Homeland Security Senate vote. The Dems are asleep at the switch, blindly following the Repub's lead of fear, except for the Patriot 9. As in the past strong issues, like Cannabis Law Reform, have been championed by third parties only to be adopted by mainstream parties in the next election. Here's hoping the Dems read the handwriting on the wall and wise up or it's DEAth of the Democratic Party. ego destruction or ego transcendence, that is the question. Two more years of restricting freedom in the name of anti-terrorism will wear thin. Thinking people are already questioning the logic of increasing big government as a feasible anti-terrorist strategy. Do you feel safer when you fly?
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Comment #23 posted by The GCW on November 20, 2002 at 20:15:47 PT
Dems. out of choices, must accept drug law reform.
Clinton caged more cannabis users...I hold that against 'em. Vary rarely will I vote for Dems. again till they get hip! They are so screwed that they may be forced to get hip. It would be easy too. All they would have to do is realize that 70+% of citizens do not support caging humans for using a plant. They should play cards.That is a good thing.The Dems are out of choices. We ARE going to get drug law reform and Democrats need these votes.  It becomes and is the litmus test. If You are too inept to understand that it is wrong to cage a human for using a plant, then You FAIL THE LITMUS TEST. 2+2=4
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Comment #22 posted by afterburner on November 20, 2002 at 18:26:56 PT:
Welcome Back, Kap & Keep Telling It Like It Is,DdC
I almost didn't have my hemp cereal the other morning. You see, I had to go meet the man. Then I thought: accept me as I am; I refuse to live in fear. Jah will provide. ego destruction or ego transcendence, that is the question.
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Comment #21 posted by DdC on November 20, 2002 at 18:08:50 PT
The incentive for fatigue is SPEED! Catch 22
Marijuana Rights Group Wants to Sue Drug Czar 
http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread14790.shtmlThe incentive for fatigue is SPEED! Catch22One of the INE's Cocaine, Amphetamine, or caffeine... Two jobs keeping up the jonz. Fight the fatigue with some dexies and bennies or xstrength java. Cursing ganja that would prevent it the night before permitting restful sleep.Speed seems to be such a common drug of choice by many "professionals" And to my understanding like most white powders leaves your system in 24 hours. It and Coke curtails drunkenness. XTC dissolves inhibitions. Wall Street and Madison Ave's doing most of it. Crack is economic and more addictive and longer cage time. All as plastic as the fossil fool fuels. Kids poisoned by Shrinks into numbness or senior/prisoner Guinea pigs. Now its all Whoreland SS Bushit's socialism security. Hungover booze druggies are said to be worse drivers than long term alcoholics who have adapted to their disease. Profiling doesn't stop stressed out people from swerving into someone on purposely over crowded roadways. Reckless driving Indy 500 idiots or Church ladies going to Bingo. First time and naive ganja and beer users provide the statistics for D.E.A.th. Yet in place of education and a controlled environment at a time set aside for resting... to not poison the body or environment, that is immoral to Jerry Falwell (Fukhead) who preaches buying SUV's is gawd's will. The gutless wandererings of Americans is sickening putting up with such blobs of dirt. Mocho idiots bragging and shamming and stigmatizing the meek, getting off on their power tripping and brainwashed credentials. Are such wimps when the light hits. The first to Censor. The first to remove the problem from the sight of the people. The first to protect their profits over the very lives of their followers families. Even their own families. How mindfuked a race is depends on how much they agree to their own suffering. Waldo can't disprove Ganja. It/he can only remove it from sight. Going elsewhere is an option to a few. I thought about Costa Rica since they have a warrant out on Bush for Coke trafficking. I traveled around a bit this summer, turned down a few good positions to find a less paying semi-private position. I am content with Ganja and my life. I know Waldo and the Fascist are evil and my obligation to fight them. Not to legalize ganja or for any reason other than its me who I have to live with. They all start to glow like phosphorescent in a black lit room. The day of the zombies. Time to pardy. Welcome Home.Arno steroid moron majorities are dying slow D.E.A.th's and really grasping to keep the lid on ganja. The evil oozes from them in their Television commercial shows and news slot appearances. Pompous asses screaming in the dark, with their long robes. How the people laugh at their nakedness. Who do they think they are? They're fools. With guns. Now low and behold evangelical Christian Environmentalist. Battling the contender to Pope, crude oil running through their veins. Half of the Pat&Jer Comedy Hour. The truest Backsliding Fascist pig Falwell, points his finger and protects his Geeeeeeeeezus right to earn a living maiming and killing. Not only the ones that roll over, the extra fossil fuel poisoning and the American kids to die in foreign sand. What will a majority of not always so thinking people think of these murderers killing nontokers babies in the name of greed? My guess is it won't be peaceful or compassionate. How do you think the farmers I talk with feel, after hemp denial? Pissed Off. All this shit they go through when a crop could be grown in the interim years. When the chemicals don't foul the water or bank account cause they're not used? Pissed Off! The Mexicans I show ganja hemp info are knowing they don't have to get sick or live under any less conditions just to make some Internationalist wealthier. The affluent Americans are hearing how they're opportunities to finance entrepreneurs and the salesmen selling the infrastructure. Knowing it ain't harming the elderly or kids because the garbage doesn't go in, in the first place. Preventing illness is cheaper than treatment. Nutrition is important and Farben Chemicals aren't food. Communities are taking back their sovereignty. Indians birthright to grow hemp the same as Casino's. Now Bushit eliminates victims from even medical care on Cheney diseases. Even the slimeball Republican majority says the Whoreland Social Security bill stinks. Remember the Gulf War? Kosovo? Vietnam? We can't protest effectively during a Cratic fascism. Klintoon simply moved the homeless out of the headlines. The 14 collateral damaged cultures not involved were still ok to bomb. Kill ganjamed patients in the name of thwarting Congress. Shalalagans sat on Bills lap and the I.O.M., keeping Clarence the Crossed liar legally ignorant. Very bad and unethical and immoral but legally. Crat pseudogopers took the disenfranchised out of the safety net into Micky D's, to get fired and homeless on the first pisstest. Now in the prison industry system or treatment or sales and service on the streets. Runaway Kid junkies and homeless deterrents? Heroin or Ganja? Any working person who voted GOPer must feel pretty silly. Most status weird taking fascist lite also. Herding people into "placement" in society is obvious. Its also obvious many young aren't bothered enough by surveillance. I can't imagine being searched at school or my locker snooped. Values were taught about this country. Not all the truth. But to willfully submit to civil liberty robbery isn't natural. It can't feel good. The older are too tired to help and to cowardly to leave so the oppressed together re-legalizing can take a big bite out of this Ganjawar crime. Release the Prisoners of the Ganjawar. And bring economic stability to the working class hero's of each country. Neighborhood cops and citizens revue boards not sparechangers for D.E.A.th telethons. Ganja won't allow lies. It forces you to say this is lame. I believe that is why less will toke when its legal. Most aren't comfortable using ganja. It truly isn't beer. It really isn't fun when done improperly. It is a learning experience. And only its novelty and profits on the Ganjawar keeps it popular and in demand. Its benefits are clearly over the heads of most. The better the bud the less toked. Papers are not natural. Birthed in prohibition for convenience from caging. Now we are injecting simple common sense. And its been my experience since May Day 71 that the majority of people are being shafted worse than anytime in history. And though we lit the candle its only getting brighter with each act of oppression, suppression and omission. Prohibition is leaving the "quarters" and entering the burbs. While the hypocrisy isn't just committed on those of color or ethnic origins. More fearful, honorable, hard working people are getting fed up. Prideful are seeing the insulting way this war on people is operated. Seeing the products in front of you while Waldo says it isn't real, seeing a loved one relax and stop projectile vomiting or dementia confusion and fear. That is happening despite the Liars. Now the Fascist are waking up angry disgruntled folk's. The music will spread it and the masses will dance. Fear won't be sold anymore.Peace, Love and Liberty or Mindfuk D.E.A.thDdCCall out the instigators
Because there's something in the air
We've got to get together sooner or later
Because the revolution's here, and you know it's....rightAnd you know that it's right We have got to get it together ...NowLock up the streets and houses
Because there's something in the air
We've got to get together sooner or later
Because the revolution's here, and you know it's ...rightAnd you know that it's right
We have got to get it together
We have got to get it together ...NowHand out the pipes and ganja
We're going to blast our way through here
We've got to get together sooner or later
Because the revolution's here, and you know it's ...rightAnd you know that it's right
We have got to get it together
We have got to get it together
Now
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Comment #20 posted by FoM on November 20, 2002 at 14:14:07 PT
Dr. Russo
I just posted the article you mentioned from the AP! Stockbroker Using Uncle Sam's Medical Marijuana for 20 Years: http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread14794.shtml
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Comment #19 posted by Ethan Russo MD on November 20, 2002 at 14:03:46 PT:
#14
Fatigue is the most common cause of motor vehicle accidents.Can they make that illegal?Can they find it in your urine?
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Comment #18 posted by DdC on November 20, 2002 at 13:59:19 PT
On a lighter note...
1) The sex was so good that even the neighbors had a cigarette.2) I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.3) I Work Hard Because Millions On Welfare Depend on Me!4) Some people are alive only because it's illegal to kill them.5) I used to have a handle on life, but it broke.6) Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.7) You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me.8) Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder.9) Earth is the insane asylum for the universe.10) To all you virgins, thanks for nothing.11) I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing.12) Out of my mind. Back in five minutes.13) I don't have to be dead to donate my organ.14) I want to die in my sleep like my grandfather... not screaming and 
yelling like the passengers in his car.15) God must love stupid people, he made so many.16) The gene pool could use a little chlorine.17) It IS as BAD as you think, and they ARE out to get you.18) I took an IQ test and the results were negative.19) Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.20) Ever stop to think, and forget to start again?21) CAT ~ The Other White Meat!22) Beer ~ The Reason I Get Up Each Afternoon!23) I Must Be a Proctologist Because I Work With Buttheads!24) Frankly, Scallop, I Don't Give a Clam"-seen on Cape Cod25) "That's It! I'm Calling Nana!" - (seen on an 8 year old)26) "Wrinkled Was Not One of the Things I Wanted to Be When I Grew Up"27) "Procrastinate Now"28) "Rehab Is for Quitters"29) "My Dog Can Lick Anyone."30) "I Have a Degree in Liberal Arts - Do You Want Fries with That?31) "Party - My Crib - Two A.M." (On a baby-size shirt)32) "Finally 21, and Legally Able to Do Everything I've Been Doing Since 15"33) "ALL MEN ARE IDIOTS, AND I MARRIED THEIR KING"34) "West Virginia: One Million People, and 15 last names"35) "FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION. It comes bundled with the software."36) "I'M OUT OF ESTROGEN AND I'VE GOT A GUN"37) "A hangover is the wrath of grapes"38) "A journey of a thousand miles begins with a cash advance"39) "STUPIDITY IS NOT A HANDICAP. Park elsewhere!"40) "DISCOURAGE INBREEDING - Ban Country Music"41) "They call it "PMS" because "Mad Cow Disease" was already taken."42) "He who dies with the most toys is nonetheless dead"43) "Time's fun when you're having flies.......Kermit the Frog"44) "POLICE STATION TOILET STOLEN .... Cops have nothing to go on."45) "FOR SALE - Iraqi rifle. Never fired. Dropped once."46) "HECK IS WHERE PEOPLE GO WHO DON'T BELIEVE IN GOSH"47) "A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS But it uses up a thousand times the 
memory."48) "The Meek shall inherit the earth, after we're through with it."49) "Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana."50) "HAM AND EGGS - A day's work for a chicken; A lifetime commitment for a 
pig."51) "WELCOME TO KENTUCKY - Set your watch back 20 years."52) "The trouble with life is there's no background music.53) "IF THERE IS NO GOD, WHO POPS UP THE NEXT KLEENEX?"54) "Suicidal Twin Kills Sister By Mistake!"55) "The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson."56) "MY WILD OATS HAVE TURNED TO SHREDDED WHEAT"57) "Computer programmers don't byte, they nibble a bit."58) "Computer programmers know how to use their hardware."59) "MOP AND GLOW - Floor wax used by Three Mile Island cleanup team."60) "NyQuil - The stuffy,Sneezy,why-the-hell-is-the-room-spinning-medicine."61) "Quoting one is plagiarism; Quoting many is research."62) " My husband and I divorced over religious differences. He thought he was 
God and I didn't!"
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Comment #17 posted by kaptinemo on November 20, 2002 at 13:37:22 PT:
It's nice to know I've been missed  :)
But I just wish things were a bit better nationally to match that warm feeling I have when I come here to vent my middle-aged spleen.Old Klingon proverb: "Only a fool fights in a burning house." And I am smelling way too much smoke lately to think it's someone just burning Autumn leaves...Friends, I am dead serious about this. One of the problems with having a degree in Sociology is that you have to read an awful lot of history, anthropology, etc. End result? You learn of the same old pattern of tyranny happening again and again and AGAIN throughout history. I repeat, tyranny (like something else we are all familiar with) happens. And it happens to nations that never thought in their wildest dreams they would descend into barbarism. Look in the mirror, America; do you like what's happening to your face?Just look at Italy and Germany. Fascism happened in two of the most literate countries in Europe, full of well educated, cultured people. Knowledge of the past did not save them; they fell into the Pit, anyways. Are we any better? I know, I know, I keep harping on this: no nation is safe from those forces of history. Americans like to think we are somehow 'special'. Well, the only thing in the end that was special about the US is that it had oceans and long, empty borders and militarily weak neighbors preventing the usual nastiness that other nations have experienced. (Sadly, part of our history has been visiting that nastiness on our neighbors; the Mex-American war in the 19th Century was a singular example of an unnecessary war.) Politically, we've 'matured' as Robert Heinlein might have put it, and that 'maturity' includes wholesale graft, exploitation, political and social unrest, nepotism in high places, military adventurism to cover domestic troubles, skullduggery from political leaders, you name it. (WHY haven't we had that much needed official investigation into 9-11? WHY has the Bush Klan stalled at every opportunity? AND WHY HAVE THE DEMOCRATS PLAYED ALONG WITH THAT EVEN WHEN IT WAS IN THEIR SELFISH BEST INTERESTS TO PUSH FOR ONE? Answer those questions and you have the depth of the crimes that have been perpetrated against nearly all Americans.)Technlogy closed the gap that kept America safe long ago, and now the same things that tore other nations apart is working on the US. And the poor, purblind sheeple open wide and swallow the BS they've been told was milk chocolate every time. Just listen to all the 'dittoheads' that call in to the Republican talk shows; they have no idea of what they are about to start. (But their 'leaders' do, oh yes, indeed, they do. They are counting on that sad and ugly ignorance to carry them to financial and political nirvana...and they don't care how many of those 'True Believers' get ground into hamburger, blown to bits, gassed, irradiated or infected with something horrible to achieve their plutocrat's paradise of a Global Plantation...with all of us as the new "n*****s".)A lawsuit that landed a well-placed punch in the guts of the Hatch-Act-flaunting antis would be a hopeful sign...but I won't hold my breath waiting for it, not now. Not after the latest fraud-dripping elections. Nope, just in case I am proved right, I am checking out real estate someplace where they speak English and have more enlightened views concerning cannabis. And I seriously doubt I am alone in doing so.
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Comment #16 posted by DdC on November 20, 2002 at 12:47:48 PT
Hey Kapt'n...SOS Different Day
Now people can see they really are Fascist. And still they argue and vote em in. Are they really worth saving? Do these American puppet yuppies reallty deserve Ganja? I washed my hands of them coming around a while back, before 911. Klintoon showed us Fascism intervening with the Supremes. McCaffrey or Waldo. Both profit on "treatment" While the sheople shivver in fear like children. Are they worth salvaging. Crybabies whining and jerking off the rw&b. The people of the world were our only chance. Now its up to them to either submit to the Ashcroft Waldo Bushit or set the record straight. The system is broken but Ganja is still the answer. Remember we thought Nixon would end our lifestyles, then we were positive Rayguns/Bush would stop us. Then Klintoon and now junior and his Evil Empire and we only get louder and stronger. The more they oppress the more we gather steam. The fight is now clearly declared and not just one sided with censorship. We have a clearly defined enemy and goals and victims of the chemical adulteration alternatives to hemp and ganja. Those who continue to rape the Constitution. The same Kristian Koalition, Delay, Ralph Reed and Robertson. Are identified as fascist tyrants and most working stiffs are seeing the light, even if they dispise cannabis through ignorance or propaganda they see the tyranny happening. The minorities and workers and Americans watching their jobs export to sweatshops. The land and animal devistation stopped by using cannabis. The word may be silenced on the net, then we will go back to gatherings and cardboard and magic markers. Democrats have been pseudocrats all along. We know the more we show the truth the more they will censor. Nothing knew here. Those who Ganja chooses will rise above the liars. We are the choosen ones. We will survive.Peace, Love and Liberty or the Fascist D.E.A.th
DdC"In a civilised society, it is the duty of all citizens to obey just laws. But at the same time it is the duty of all citizens to disobey unjust laws." - Martin Luther King Jr."The oppressed should rebel, and they will continue to rebel and raise disturbance until their civil rights are fully restored to them and all partial distinctions, exclusions and incapacitations are removed." Thomas Jefferson, 1776. Rebels
http://www.cannabinoid.com/boards/politics/media/35/35028.gif"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." Dolores Ibarruri (1895-1985) "The media's the most powerful entity on Earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and the guilty innocent, and that's power. Because they control the minds of the masses." Malcolm X"Our problems stem from our acceptance of this filthy rotten system." Dorothy Day
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Comment #15 posted by goneposthole on November 20, 2002 at 12:34:23 PT
bellwether
The lead sheep that has a bell around his neck.Like all of the Native Americans hiking along the "Trial of Tears" (now commonly referred to as the "Trail of Beers"), the exodus that is to come will not only be for the persecuted cannabis culture, but for all Americans.I received an e-mail a few months ago. The content was disturbing. The radical Muslims intent on the destruction of our way of life have warned that they are justified in killing 4 million Americans. The number determined is by how many Muslims have been killed by the 'infidels' in the past 30 years or so. They also plan to scatter all Americans to the four winds. The pogrom that the al-Qaida has planned is of a greater dimension than the current pogrom against cannabis imbibers.Will they succeed? Maybe. Time will tell. They've been a busy crew, we all know that. The Republicans and all of their power will be of little help. The compassion they show for the least of the brethren (sick and dying) will come back to haunt them. What goes around comes around.
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Comment #14 posted by Nuevo Mexican on November 20, 2002 at 11:58:44 PT
Police State now complete Kaptimemo!
But most Americans won't notice will they! Mexico was refreshing, few Americans, hopeful, faithful, friendly!
Just what I needed to get my perspective! Learn Espanol and 
when critical mass is reached, (long lines at the borders)
all these idiotic laws and agencies will become the focus of someones wrath: 'why are all these Americans fleeing their country and what can we do to keep them from leaving.'
George Bush will be the only answer! I thought coming back on the New Moon Election would boost my faith in the populace and vote counters, now I have even less faith, and am sure the vote count was and always has been manipulated.
(One bright spot, the new moon in Scorpio literally means a new 'death' as in those who got elected will have little or no power, as in the Republican takeover in 94' when the election was also on a Scorpio New Moon!) My down to earth, practical side says: Why bother stopping the 'Cancer', when the patient doesn't even care that they're dying? Europeans had to leave the continent due to persercution, why would we be any different? It is probably time to move on and let Rush Limbaugh and Shrub have their way, it's the only way people will see what happens when they lose interest in the 'bill of Rights, The Constitution and being a citizen, and instead embrace consumerism, nationalism and extreme jingoism! We do get what we deserve, don't we?
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Comment #13 posted by Dark Star on November 20, 2002 at 11:25:32 PT
Kaptinemo
You my main man!
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Comment #12 posted by schmeff on November 20, 2002 at 10:50:10 PT
You've been missed
Welcome back, Kap'n.
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Comment #11 posted by FoM on November 20, 2002 at 10:45:42 PT
Hi Kapt
It is really good to read your comment once again. I know what you are saying is right. This week has been something like you would see in a horror movie but it's real. They put in the protection of pharmaceutical companies too. What's that all about? I mind that a lot. 
What's New
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Comment #10 posted by kaptinemo on November 20, 2002 at 10:23:06 PT:
The final bellweather
Hello all, I'm back for a bit.As many of you know, I've been beating this particular drum for years. Namely, that Fed interference in State matters vis-a-vis cannabis law reform violates the Fed and State Hatch Acts against precisely that, and in a way that simply cannot be denied by anyone with even a smidgin of intellectual honesty. The antis in general and the Federales in particular have always told us: "If you want to change the laws, go through the process." But when we try to, they tip the balance as always with a preponderance of Fed (meaning, US Taxpayer) monies and all the unfair advantages a government can claim, such as control of the airwaves and straight-arming networks and producers to kow-tow to their demands.So, here it is. Many of us have been looking for the 'tip factor' which will signal the point beyond which the Republic is unsalvageable and it's time to make like the 'smart Jews' of Europe did when Hitler came to power... and leave. Things are looking more and more like the 2000 elections were just what many German pundits said (and one German government functionary was sacked for just implying) not too long ago: America's 'Reichstag Fire'.The past few days we have seen near total control of the Congress pass into the hands of the most virulent hard-liners of the Republicans. The Dem leadership has practically dried up and blown away...as if we could ever hope for help from those who, like Esau of the Bible, sold their birthright for a bowl of pottage...no pun intended at ALL. (Remember, it was under Democratic rule of the Executive Branch that we had the largest influx of cannabis arrests in history. The Dem leadership deserve the ashes they are tasting right now...poured in their open and astonished mouths by the arrogant and bold GOPers.)If this lawsuit is ever brought to court, and is thrown out as being 'frivolous', then it's that time. Because political control of the courts will be complete, and Lady Justice might as well be wearing manacles along with the stupid robe Ashcroft has draped her with.
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Comment #9 posted by FoM on November 19, 2002 at 20:46:58 PT
goneposthole
I didn't think you were. It's a web site I wouldn't even even look at. What really concerns me is this administrations way about them. We don't have rights to even try to change a law that doesn't work it seems. War is on the horizon and liberties go by the wayside. How will young men take to being drafted? I believe the draft will return if we go to war in Iraq. They won't have enough soldiers so they will need the draft again. That concerns me.
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Comment #8 posted by goneposthole on November 19, 2002 at 20:13:32 PT
FoM
Neither do I, I just want people to be aware of how ridiculi some things are.
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Comment #7 posted by FoM on November 19, 2002 at 19:53:48 PT

What Chance Do They Have?
Does anyone have an opinion if they stand a chance with a lawsuit? I'm not sure.
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Comment #6 posted by FoM on November 19, 2002 at 19:43:44 PT

goneposthole 
I sure don't have any interest in that site at all. 
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Comment #5 posted by goneposthole on November 19, 2002 at 19:33:13 PT

a dynamic
Just so you know that they are out there. And, they are out there. Jeesh, Louise.The US gov is worried about cannabis? Holy smokes.
http://www.americannaziparty.com
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Comment #4 posted by afterburner on November 19, 2002 at 19:33:08 PT:

mayan: here are the true patriots.
Considering that "General" Ashcroft has married the war on terrorism with the war on drugs (read cannabis), watch out. Now they're busy building a super-database to track all your electronic data. No wonder Max Headroom foresaw that some citizens would become "blanks" who had erased all computer history. Sen Byrd Blasts Homeland Bill - 'This Is A Hoax'
Statement In The Senate By Sen Robert Byrd R-WVa
11-19-2
http://rense.com/general31/abila.htmexcerpt:"If the American people, if the American public is to believe what they read in this week's newspapers, the Congress stands ready to pass legislation to create a new Department of Homeland Security. Not with my vote. Passage of such legislation would be the answer to the universal battle cry that this administration adopted shortly after the September 11 attacks: Reorganize the Federal Government. 
 How is it that the Bush administration's No. 1 priority has evolved into a plan to create a giant, huge bureaucracy? How is it that the Congress bought into the belief that to take a plethora of Federal agencies and departments and shuffle them around would make us safer from future terrorist attacks?..."Senate approves homeland bill
Tuesday, November 19, 2002 Posted: 9:10 PM EST (0210 GMT)WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Capping months of debate, the Senate Tuesday approved 90-9 a bill that would create a Department of Homeland Security -- a massive reorganization of the federal government sparked by the devastating September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/redir.adp?_wps_s=4_n_m&_dci_url=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2ecnn%2ecom%2f2002%2fALLPOLITICS%2f11%2f19%2fhomeland%2esecurity%2findex%2ehtml excerpt:The senators who voted against the measure were Ted Kennedy, D-Massachusetts; Paul Sarbanes, D-Maryland; Jim Jeffords, I-Vermont; Daniel Akaka, D-Hawaii; Daniel Inouye, D-Hawaii; Robert Byrd, D-West Virginia; Carl Levin, D-Michigan; Ernest "Fritz" Hollings, D-South Carolina; and Russ Feingold, D-Wisconsin. Feingold said the new bill came "at the expense of unnecessarily undermining our privacy rights" and "weakening protections against unwarranted government intrusion into the lives of ordinary Americans." "While I commend the president for recognizing the need to consider a major government reorganization in light of the tragic events of September 11, this could have been accomplished while preserving our privacy and our liberties as Americans," Feingold said in a written statement.
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Comment #3 posted by afterburner on November 19, 2002 at 18:24:32 PT:

"Pulling a Walters"?
You Simpsons watchers might remember the episode when Homer makes a bungle and ends up in the dictionary as "pulling a homer," which everyone else starts saying when they bungle. Maybe someday the dictionary will have an entry called "pulling a Walters," meaning to lie shamelessly and repeatedly.
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Comment #2 posted by mayan on November 19, 2002 at 18:20:26 PT

Hijacked Elections...
This link might help explain why the drug law reform initiatives failed... Battelle the Truth: U.S. Elections Hijacked Again?
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=14564Countdown to Tyranny - Sen Byrd Blasts Homeland Bill - 'This Is A Hoax'
http://rense.com/general31/abila.htmThe Homeland Security Monstrosity - by Rep. Ron Paul
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul62.htmlHomeland Security Bill DISAVOWS Damages Claims for FORCED SMALLPOX SHOTS:
http://www.sianews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=326The Man From Auntie:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/elkins/elkins72.htmlOsama is Under Your Bed: 
http://www.scoop.co.nz/archive/scoop/stories/07/60/200211191026.81361219.htmlThe People's Investigation of 9/11:
http://www.911pi.com/
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Comment #1 posted by Truth on November 19, 2002 at 18:01:48 PT:

Walters lies
I'm surprised at the level of dishonesty this man would stoop to to save his job. I always figured that a man was only as good as his word.
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