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  Bush's Reefer Madness

Posted by CN Staff on November 05, 2002 at 13:17:42 PT
By Louise Witt 
Source: Salon.com 

The new front in the nation's drug war came into sharp focus at 7 a.m. on Sept. 5, when loud shouts and stomping woke Valerie Corral at her home north of Santa Cruz, Calif. Suspecting that the intruders weren't ordinary burglars, she snuck out a back entrance and walked around to her front door to tell them to leave. When she opened the door, stunned federal agents in flak jackets trained M-16s on the 50-year-old homeowner. When she asked to see a search warrant, the officers screamed at her to get down. They pushed her to her knees, then forced her to lie face down on the floor. With her hands handcuffed behind her back, an officer pressed his rifle muzzle to the back of her head. 
Valerie Corral tried explaining to the agents (there were about 30) that she and her husband, Michael, 53, ran Wo/Men's Alliance for Medical Marijuana, a legal cooperative in California that has grown the drug for 250 terminally ill and sick patients, many with cancer or AIDS, for almost nine years. Twenty-two of their clients have died in the past 12 months -- but to the officers from the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration, that didn't matter. The DEA took Valerie, still in green silk pajamas, and Michael to a federal detention center in San Jose. Under the Federal Controlled Substances Act, marijuana is a Schedule 1 drug -- dangerous and with no possible medicinal value -- right up there with heroin. Not only did they uproot and seize 167 marijuana plants, but they also confiscated the co-op's patient list. "We do not target drug users," insists Will Glaspy, a DEA spokesman in Washington. "We target drug traffickers. There is no such term as 'medical marijuana,' except as created by the marijuana lobby." In California and other states -- including three that will feature marijuana initiatives on Tuesday's ballots -- the marijuana lobby happens to be the voters. Valerie, who smokes pot to control grand mal epileptic seizures, worked to legalize medicinal marijuana in Santa Cruz county in 1992. Four years later, she helped draft California's Proposition 215, which lets patients who have a doctor's recommendation grow and use marijuana. So, on Sept. 17, in defiance of President Bush, DEA chief Asa Hutchinson and drug czar John Walters, the Corrals along with Santa Cruz Mayor Christopher Krohn, most of the city council members and a county supervisor handed out pot to patients on the steps of city hall. And under state and local law, it was perfectly legal to do so. "When you look down the barrel of a gun, it's frightening," Valerie says. "But when you face illness or death, the inhumane actions of the government pale." In the last year, especially, the Bush administration has renewed the war on marijuana with a vengeance -- only this time, it is a war that pits the federal government against the majority of the American people, and sometimes against state and city officials and even local police officers. Headed by religious conservatives who take an absolutist stance against drugs, the Department of Justice, the DEA and the White House's Office of Drug Policy are using the might of the federal government and millions of dollars worth of advertising in an effort to roll back the public's growing acceptance of marijuana as a medicine and the desire to decriminalize possession of the drug in small amounts. Walters and his allies appear to realize that if they don't stop the acceptance of marijuana now, then the war on drugs as we know it will be forever altered. The government's drug warriors have already lost ground. Since 1996, eight states have followed California's lead and passed laws allowing cannabis to be used for medicinal purposes with a physician's recommendation: Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, Nevada, Oregon and Washington. Tuesday, voters in Arizona and Nevada will decide whether to take steps to decriminalize possession of small amounts of the drug. Voters in Ohio will decide whether to allow treatment instead of jail time for some drug users. Even if these ballot initiatives fail, the mere fact that voters are considering them suggests that their ardor for the war on drugs is waning. The federal government has been trying to outlaw cannabis since the '30s. In 1937, Harry Anslinger, the newly named commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, testified before Congress that "marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death." The American Medical Association opposed passage of the act and recommended that the drug's status as a medicine be maintained. Congress declined to ban marijuana, but in the Marihuana Taxation Act they levied a tax on the crop that had the same practical effect. Timothy Leary, the psychedelic guru, challenged the act after his marijuana arrests in 1965 and 1966. G. Gordon Liddy, a local district attorney in New York who would later be convicted for his involvement in the Watergate break-in, led the raid on Leary's home in Millbrook, N.Y. In 1969, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled the act unconstitutional. Not to be deterred, Congress went to work on the Federal Controlled Substances Act in 1970, in which marijuana, heroin and LSD were deemed to be without medical value. That was the genesis of the modern war on pot -- an effort that has clearly flagged in recent years as the generations that came of age after the 1960s moved into the mainstream. But John Ashcroft, a man whose reputation includes never having touched alcohol or taken a drag on a cigarette, became attorney general in early 2001, promising to "reinvigorate the war on drugs." And he did. Under Hutchinson, a former prosecutor who made a name for himself as the congressman who took the lead in Clinton's impeachment, the DEA is cracking down on state-sanctioned medical marijuana operations, even small ones. So far the DEA has raided or arrested 17 medical marijuana providers in California, 15 of which came after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, plus one in Oregon. A week after medical pot-grower Steve McWilliams publicly handed out buds to show solidarity with the Corrals, the DEA confiscated 26 plants and 10 pounds of the drug he grew for patients in San Diego. Under the Clinton administration, there had been seven raids or arrests since Prop. 215 had passed in 1996, according to the A-Mark Foundation's MarijuanaInfo.org, which compiles information on medical marijuana. "Attorney General Ashcroft is not stupid; he understands that if society changes its mind on medical marijuana, then it sets the table for a completely different discussion about marijuana and changes the debate about drug prohibition," says Jamin Raskin, a constitutional law professor at American University in Washington, and the author of "Overruling Democracy: The Supreme Court vs. The People," slated for publication in March. "This is the Battle of Bull Run in the war on drugs. If the critics of drug prohibition win on medical marijuana, the cards begin to topple in a more libertarian direction." If the polls are right, most Americans oppose this strident stance on pot. In March 2001, the Pew Research Center found that 73 percent of Americans support medicinal marijuana laws. After Sept. 11, the respected polling firm of Zogby International did a survey for the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws that found 61 percent favor decriminalizing possession of small amounts of the drug. Support for medical marijuana cuts across generations --and party lines. It may be a hot-button for some conservatives, but it's not a Republican issue. Former President Ronald Reagan's director of communication, Lyn Nofziger, whose daughter died from cancer, speaks out for medical marijuana. New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson, another Republican, is an outspoken proponent of legalizing marijuana. In Maryland, David Brinkley, a Republican candidate for state representative who survived Hodgkin's lymphoma 14 years ago, says his support of medical marijuana isn't even an issue in his campaign. "I'm a very conservative person in a very conservative district," he says. "But there comes a time when you have to be practical in dealing with patients and their concerns and needs." Even Bush, during the 2000 presidential campaign, said he didn't see medical marijuana as warranting national attention. In October 1999, he told The Dallas Morning News that, with respect to medical marijuana, "each state can choose that decision as they so choose." Yet Bush, who has skirted questions about whether he ever used illegal drugs, has publicly changed his position. When he nominated John Walters for director of the Office of Drug Policy, he told the audience in the Rose Garden: "Acceptance of drug use is simply not an option for this administration. We emphatically disagree with those who favor drug legalization." "This is crazy," says Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., sponsor of the States' Rights to Medical Marijuana Act ( H.R. 2592 ), a bill he introduced this year to permit states to allow the use of marijuana for medicinal purposes. "I can't think of worse use of resources as we struggle to fight terrorism, charging people with conspiracy who are trying to alleviate pain. To prosecute them is ludicrous. It's the worst example of putting people's very vindictive, personal obsessions ahead of decency and rational public policy," he says. "They're doing it because they're obsessive right-wingers who think marijuana threatens all that Americans hold dear." Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, another alumnus of the Reagan White House, is a co-sponsor of the bill. As drug czar, Walters is trying his best to make Americans fear marijuana legalization. In September, with several states and municipalities planning pot-related ballot measures, his office rolled out an ad campaign linking the drug to violence. The campaign is reminiscent of earlier government efforts to demonize marijuana. In one TV ad, Dan, a handsome all-American white teenager, buys his pot from a dealer who gets her drugs from a smuggler who gets his supplies from a swarthy, nefarious-looking man. "While many people have made the connection between opium and terror, they see marijuana as a benign drug," Walters said in a statement. He declined Salon's request for an interview. Walters last month campaigned against initiatives in Arizona and Nevada to decriminalize possession of pot in small amounts as part of an effort to make the drug more accessible to patients. He stopped in Tucson a week after a Northern Arizona University poll found that 53 percent of the voters supported a measure decriminalizing possession of up to two ounces. It would also require the state's Department of Public Safety, most likely police officers, to provide the drug free to patients who have doctors' recommendations. Speaking to local reporters, Walters labeled the initiative a "stupid, insulting con" and called medical marijuana "the 21st-century snake oil." A more recent poll shows 51 percent of voters opposed to the ballot question. A few days later, Walters was in Nevada to campaign against the initiative that would allow adults to possess up to three ounces of marijuana and set up state-licensed and -taxed smoke shops to sell the drug. Medical marijuana proponents say they were trying to prevent patients from buying cannabis seeds on the black market to grow their plants. But Walters, frustrated with what he calls "distortions" from the proponents, told a local TV station in Reno, "I call this reefer madness, madness." The latest polls show about 60 percent of voters opposed to the decriminalization measure. While Walters gave the media catchy sound bites, he declined to participate in debates with local politicians or proponents of the marijuana initiative. In Nevada, Billy Rogers, spokesman for Nevadans for Responsible Law Enforcement, invited him to a debate, but Walters declined. He said he'd only debate three people: George Soros, a billionaire who's now chairman of the liberal Open Society Institute; Peter Lewis, CEO of Progressive Insurance in Cleveland; and John Sperling, founder of the for-profit University of Phoenix. To a large degree, today's marijuana debate is being shaped by six men: Ashcroft, Hutchinson and Walters on one side and Soros, Lewis and Sperling on the other. Lewis gave money to the Nevada group. Soros, Lewis and Sperling are major financial backers of the Drug Policy Alliance, which supports state medical marijuana efforts. In a May 2002 Op-Ed in the Washington Post, Walters wrote: "By now most Americans realize that the push to 'normalize' marijuana for medical use is part of the drug legalization agenda. Its chief funders, George Soros, John Sperling and Peter Lewis, have spent millions to help pay for referendums and ballot initiatives in states from Alaska to Maine." Ironically, pot does turn out to be the gateway drug, after all -- the gateway to less draconian drug laws. Probably no one understands this more than Walters, who has made a career out of championing the war on drugs. When William Bennett was secretary of education under Reagan, Walters, whose late father, Vernon Walters, served as deputy director of the CIA under Nixon and as U.N. ambassador under Reagan, was in charge of the Schools Without Drugs program. Then, when the first President Bush appointed Bennett the first drug czar in 1989, Walters was his chief of staff. And for a brief stint in 1993, he was acting drug czar until he quit when Clinton redirected the drug policy office's focus to hardcore users instead of enforcement and interdiction. Even when many in the mid-'90s considered the drug war a failure, it never lost its appeal for Bennett, the self-appointed watchdog of American virtue, and Walters. Along with John J. DiIulio Jr., whom the current President Bush appointed to the newly created White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives, the men wrote "Body Count: Moral Poverty and How to Win America's War Against Crime and Drugs." In the book, the authors argue that "moral poverty" is at the root of all crime and that religion is "the best and most reliable means we have to reinforce the good." Now Bennett and Walters are working together, again. Bennett, co-director of Empower America, a conservative group, is also co-chairman, along with Mario Cuomo, of the Partnership for a Drug-Free America. In October, Walters' office and the partnership released a new series of ads focusing on teens and drugs. Why this new obsession with the wicked weed? Ethan Nadelmann, executive director of the Drug Policy Alliance in New York City, which supports state efforts to legalize medicinal marijuana, says the administration is pandering to a small but vocal group of conservatives. "It's not about compassion, it's not about cost-benefit or anything like that. It's simply a moralistic, demonizing perspective on a certain activity," he says. "These people are anti-drug fanatics. They're modern-day Carrie Nations." Nation, an early prohibitionist, was a large woman, almost 6 feet tall and 180 pounds, who carried a hatchet in one hand to smash liquor bottles and a Bible in the other. She once destroyed the bar in Wichita's finest hotel. California's Prop. 215 tried circumventing the Controlled Substance Act for medical marijuana. The Clinton administration challenged Prop. 215, and in May 2001, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in a unanimous decision written by Justice Clarence Thomas that the drug "has no medical benefits worthy of an exception" under the Federal Controlled Substances Act. Coincidentally, Thomas was the justice Ashcroft chose to swear him in as attorney general. In doing so, the U.S. Supreme Court gave Ashcroft, the son of a Pentecostal preacher, a way to attack state medical marijuana laws. Within a few months after the high court's decision, the DEA stepped up raids and arrests of state-sanctioned medical marijuana providers in California. "From their perspective, all the legal issues have been resolved," says Gerald Uelmen, an influential professor at Santa Clara College School of Law and attorney for the Santa Cruz marijuana co-operative, who is challenging the raid on constitutional grounds. "They're treating all the marijuana groups and organizations as though they were illicit drug dealers. They're coming in with guns blazing as though they're crack houses or methamphetamine labs." A day after the raid in Santa Cruz, California's Attorney General Bill Lockyer fired off a letter to Ashcroft and Hutchinson, complaining that it was "a disheartening addition to a growing list of provocative and intrusive incidents of harassment by the DEA in California." The DEA is conducting raids on state-sanctioned marijuana clubs as a "punitive expedition," added Lockyer, a Democrat. In closing, he asked to have a meeting with Hutchinson and Ashcroft to come up with more "realistic and reasonable" alternatives. But if California's top law enforcement official was expecting some reconciliation, he must have been disappointed. In a rather starchy, almost condescending reply, Hutchinson, wrote: "Your repeated references to 'medical' or 'medicinal' marijuana illustrates a common misperception that marijuana is safe and effective medicine." Further, he continued, "state 'medical' marijuana laws -- including those in California -- are being abused to facilitate traditional illegal marijuana trafficking and associated crime." In his letter, Hutchinson offered no evidence to prove the claim. Hallye Jordan, Lockyer's press secretary, said conflicts between state and federal law are bound to continue until the federal government changes the Controlled Substance Act and lets doctors prescribe marijuana to their patients. In the meantime, she said, Lockyer's office will adhere to the state's law and leave medical marijuana operations alone. The DEA's bullying tactics may have had unintended consequences. For 15 years, the San Jose Police Department has worked with federal agents to arrest drug dealers. But a month after the raid on the Corrals, San Jose Police Chief William Lansdowne pulled his men off of a DEA task force. "The most pressing problem is methamphetamine and that is where we should spend our time, not on medical marijuana," he says. "I think their [the DEA's] priorities are out of sync with local law." Uelmen, the Corrals' lawyer, has filed a suit against the U.S. government, contending that the search was unreasonable under the Fourth Amendment and that the Federal Controlled Substances Act exceeds congressional power to regulate interstate commerce under the Tenth Amendment. Uelmen hopes this case will finally resolve the conflict between state rights to regulate medical marijuana and federal narcotic laws. In Santa Cruz, meanwhile, it turns out that the DEA didn't get all of Valerie and Michael Corral's stash. Undaunted by the legal obstacles, they continue to hand out pot to their co-operative's members. "The only other option is rolling over," Valerie says. "That means something very dramatic when you're facing death. That means rolling over and dying. And that is not an option for us." About the writer Louise Witt is a writer who lives in Hoboken, N.J. Source: Salon.com (US Web)Author: Louise WittPublished: November 5, 2002Copyright: 2002 SalonWebsite: http://www.salon.com/Contact: salon salonmagazine.com Related Articles & Web Sites:WAMMhttp://www.wamm.org/News Articles -- WAMM Raidhttp://freedomtoexhale.com/valc.htmMarijuana Farmer Wants His Crop Backhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread14661.shtmlMenace or Medicine? - Santa Cruz Sentinel http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread14648.shtmlPot Luck - American Prospect http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread14551.shtml

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Comment #149 posted by jose melendez on June 09, 2005 at 05:24:41 PT
CIA, Nixon, propaganda, and the rest of the story?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1502532,00.html "Felt was not working as "a disgruntled maverick ... but rather as the leader of a clandestine group" of three other high-level agents to control the story by collecting intelligence and leaking it."http://www.drugwar.com/pnixonpottapes.shtm Nixon Oval Office Tapes: Marijuana, Alcohol, Prejudice, and Culture WarWeingarten’s Washington Post Column Skewers Former PresidentWashington, DC: “Dope? Do you think the Russians allow dope? Hell no. 
Not if they can catch it, they send them up. You see, homosexuality, dope, immorality in general: These are the enemies of strong societies.” Those are the words and thoughts of President Richard M. Nixon, captured on tape by his own recording system in the Oval Office. This and other presidential rants were the basis for Washington Post writer Gene Weingarten’s Below The Beltway column for March 21, 2002, “Just What Was He Smoking?See also: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/dope/interviews/schlosser.html
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Comment #148 posted by p4me on November 06, 2002 at 16:15:25 PT
Nevada blew it for Nevada. We will vote next time.
The final vote count for Question 9 from MSNBC says 305,522 against and 196,361 for. Only 501,883 voters out of a population of 1,486,458 over 18 in the 2000 census voted. One in three people voted. There is no way to win if we don't vote. It was well within our grasp and people stayed at home even though they had two weeks to vote. Nobody beat us at anything. Apathy won. Well once people's heads stop spinning from the new fundaMENTAList judges the Republicans will appoint, and they sit in front of the great Republican moralist that judge them for having something they should have made legal under state law, they will wish they had voted. Apathy and make-believe beat question 9, not the lying, ignorant, fascist prohibitionist.1
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Comment #147 posted by FoM on November 06, 2002 at 15:58:29 PT
DdC
Thank you. I feel we have plenty of articles to let us know we lost. I don't want to rub it in so I'm passing on the ones I'm finding now. I will save this thread for my sister because I don't think she is near a computer. When she gets home I will call her and then show her this thread. My head bounces around and tries to figure out why we lost so badly. I don't want to think that we are gearing up to start the draft and send young men to a foreign land to die but the mentality of the votes makes me think that way. No room for compassion when you want you men to get tough and get ready to kill. I sure hope I'm wrong but that's how I feel and that is really hard to deal with.
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Comment #146 posted by DdC on November 06, 2002 at 15:25:44 PT
We Don Need No Stinking Fascist!
Hey FoM, You Nap girl, you deserve it. Hi and welcome Mary sister of FoM. I feel as if all the years we fought Klintoon and McCaffery Inc. partisan politics were against us. The GOPers were always opposed to us as a culture and the crats survived by becoming a part of the mess. Now with two years of true fascism many are starting to awaken to the fact we ain't in Kansas anymore toto. Its close but I understand Mardi beat out the repo in the local county supervisors race. She's always been on our side. The fascist want to develope everything to hell with the citizens. Maybe this will wake the sleeping sheople. I got a note reminding me of the 72 elections many of us fought Nixon over. We had such great rallies and determination after changing the voting age from 21 to 18 we thought freedom and an end to Nam was in our grasp. Then McGovern got about 1% and Nixon got the largest win in History. But as he reminded me. A few short years later he was run out of town in disgrace. Then it happened again with Rayguns Bush, only Carter was sabbotaged. But we survived the 80's. Now maybe we have a real chance to clean house, not just smear the grease around. No party has the dedication, drive, creativity and initiative as the cannabis movement. How many people search for truth each and every day knowing we won't actually be legal tokers, yet still go on to find info and pass it down the line. Each day beinging us closer. Now Bush is exposed and fascism not just a buzz word to spice up an article I feel even better today about us coming together as one. With the victims of fascism and the victims of WoD in solidarity. Oh happy days... You can't always get what you want but if you try sometimes you get what you need! Solidarity! You can have the day off FoM. ¶8)Peace, Love and Liberty or Bush D.E.A.th!DdCadd to abbie list...Center for Cognitive Liberty & Ethics (CCLE)
http://www.cognitiveliberty.org
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Comment #145 posted by FoM on November 06, 2002 at 14:56:24 PT
DdC
I am napping. I got a headache and the news articles are blurring together. I'm making a good dinner and I know I'll see the news in a better light then. Meanwhile friend! Keep on keepin' on!
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Comment #144 posted by DdC on November 06, 2002 at 14:32:39 PT
ABBIE LIVES! We ain't down, just napping!
ABBIE LIVES!
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http://hometown.aol.com/stewa/stew.htmlLENNY BRUCE
http://www.cs.umd.edu/~flip/lenny.html"Liberals will buy anything a bigot writes. In fact, they really SUPPORT hatemongers. George Linciln Rockwell, the leader of the American Nazi Party is probably a very knowledgeable businessman with no political convictions what so ever. He gets three bucks a head and works the mass rallies consisting of nothing but angry Jews, shaking their fists and wondering why there are so many Jews there. And Rockwell probably has only two real followers--and they're deaf. They think the swastika is merely an Aztec symbol." Lenny Bruce (1925-1966) 
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Here and Now What is the use of planning to be able to eat next week unless I can really enjoy the meals when they come ? If I am so busy planning how to eat next week that I cannot fully enjoy what I am eating now, I will be in the same predicament when next week's meals become "now."If my happiness at this moment consists largely in reviewing happy memories and expectations, I am but dimly aware of this present. I shall still be dimly aware of the present when the good things that I have been expecting come to pass. For I shall have formed a habit of looking behind and ahead, making it difficult for me to attend to the here and now. If, then, my awareness of the past and future makes me less aware of the present, I must begin to wonder whether I am actually living in the real world.-- Alan W. Watts, The Wisdom Of Insecurity Norman Soloman
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Comment #143 posted by The GCW on November 06, 2002 at 12:53:20 PT
I used to vote straight Democrat almost...
The Dems have an unexceptable amount of compassion, and I have almost not voted for a single Dem. I will not vote for Republicans at all! No, I am not voting for politicians that want to cage Me for using a plant, for that would be stupid. Even if that means the republicans will screw the planet worst than the Dems.The Dems. have lost a lot, that could be very very good. It will perhaps wake them up. In the best case scinario, the Dems will wake up, big time. Re-legalizing cannabis IS a Democratic political platform, weather they know it or not. Since the Dems have lost so badly, they WILL reevaluate what happened also. Plus I will write to some of them and help make sure, they know they lost, in part because they have failed to recognize My needs. As I said in post #124, It is measurement day. The measurement indicates We are making great progress. We will take more measurements in the future and must continue in this fight till the measurement adds up. We ARE going to win this fight, just not today.  We have great momentum. Let's keep up the good work.
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Comment #142 posted by FoM on November 06, 2002 at 11:30:41 PT
medicinal toker & schmeff 
schmeff that was kind of you saying that about me and welcoming my sister. My sister knows that what I do here everyday is the right thing for me to be doing. My sister is a retired policeman. Oh boy eeh? See everyone is starting to understand. We can't keep locking up people for something that should be a personal right in a free society. We should be allowed to be masters of our own destiny.medicinal toker I'm glad you agree. I feel very strongly about this issue as you do too.
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Comment #141 posted by Hope on November 06, 2002 at 11:29:50 PT
I second that welcome, Mary B
You obviously have a wonderful sister, FoM.
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Comment #140 posted by schmeff on November 06, 2002 at 11:08:12 PT
Welcome Mary B.
Two angels in the same family?Who says lightening doesn't strike twice?
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Comment #139 posted by FoM on November 06, 2002 at 11:06:25 PT
Dan
It's OK. You know that. We all are deeply hurt by what is happening to our country. If we can't blow off steam today then when can we?
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Comment #138 posted by Dan B on November 06, 2002 at 11:05:09 PT:
Afterburner
Thanks for not counterattacking my anti-Republican sentiments in your post. Sometimes a guy just needs to vent, and I appreciate you giving me the leeway. I truly believe that a vote for Republicans was a vote for war, which I am strongly against, which is why I feel so strongly against last night's vote. I feel like Americans everywhere were saying that the best course of action is more war on all fronts. I understand that you likely feel differently (if past comments here are any indication), and I respect your right to disagree. I just didn't want to get into a fight--only to rant--and I know you could have taken the ball and run with it, but you didn't. So, thanks.Dan B
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Comment #137 posted by Dan B on November 06, 2002 at 10:58:30 PT:
FoM
I apologize for the comments I made against Cannabis News. Although I do find the rules rather restrictive at times (I really wanted to rant last night and this morning, and I felt like I couldn't do it the way I wanted to here), I realize why the rules are in place. I'm glad people can register again, and I hope my tirade--the part about Cannabis News--will be taken with a grain of salt, and I was, as FoM correctly pointed out, much more angry at the election than at Cannabis News. Anyway, I am truly sorry, FoM. You and Cannabis News didn't deserve my wrath. If anyone deserves my wrath, it's the voters who voted against real reform and the politicians who rigged the vote against us. But not Cannabis News. This place is actually one of the few places that has it right.I'll try to control my outbursts from now on. C-News doesn't deserve them.Dan B
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Comment #136 posted by medicinal toker on November 06, 2002 at 10:43:54 PT
FOM -- I totally agree
Fom, you wrote, "They used our tax dollars to fight change and I don't know how in a democracy that can be done. Police, Drug Czars and DEA people shouldn't be allowed to fight change using our money but they sure did."Indeed they did, and although even Rep. John Conyers pointed out what they did was a violation of federal law, in his press release from July, they continued to do it.And it's not just the initiatives. George Bush, flying Air Force One, used massive taxpayer resources to campaign and fundraise from GOP weasels who sell out their Constitution to give the GOP more power, and increase their personal wealth.The Democrats have been so blown out of the fundraising game that they were reduced to pathetic status. The economy tanked and yet Bush wins big? Are you better off today than you were 2 years ago? Much worse, and a lot of it happened overnight. How could could they miss the obvious?Good to see strong 3rd party showings. Ed Thompson getting over 10% in Wisconsin means the LP gets a spot on the State Elections Board. Maybe it is time for the Dems to just give it up if they can't run a decent campaign against such a flawed president, party and agenda. Trying to emulate and imitate the GOP isn't what works. The Dems need to get progressive again, if they can attract any true progressives....
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Comment #135 posted by afterburner on November 06, 2002 at 10:13:00 PT:
Frelling right.
On Farscape the characters are frequently commenting on how frelled up things are. We need to show and tell the stories of cannabis healing and spirituality to the huddled masses, yearning to breathe free. Video anyone, Michael Murphy gets it; organize: we have the power, the skills, and three billionaires rolling down the side of a snow-covered hill.I don't wanna wait in vain for your love 'cause it's love I revere. Winter is here, and I'm still waiting here....Ya see, in life I know there's lots of grief, but your love is my relief. [Bob Marley]Exodus. Movement of Jah people. Oh, yeah. Heaven will tangle up and tell you this. Men and people will fight you down when you've seen Jah light. Let me tell you if you're not wrong everything is alright. So we gonna walk through the roads of creation. We, the generation, tred through great tribulation. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, open your eyes, and look within. Are you satisfied with the life that you're livin'? We know where we're goin', we know where we're from. We're leavin' Babylon. We're goin' to our father's land. Exodus. Movement of Jah people. Exodus. Movement of Jah people. Move. Move. Move. Move. Movement of Jah people. Movement of Jah people. Movement of Jah people. Movement of Jah people. Movement of Jah people. 
Movement of Jah people. Movement of Jah people. [more Marley]Thanks everyone for yesterday, all your hard work and networking, and cheers for tomorrow. We planted a seed and it will grow. ego destruction or ego transcendence, that is the question. Babylon is a state of mind. If one voter convinces one voter, we could become the majority. I predict that Americans will choke on their 2002 election choices. We will grow and prosper and never quit on our way to the next big one in 2004.
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Comment #134 posted by Hope on November 06, 2002 at 10:08:26 PT
Sorry I flaked on you guys last night
It looks like the prohibition juggernaut will keep on rolling and killing and destroying for a while longer than we had hoped. Prohibition doesn't protect anyone. It causes great harm and it lines the wrong pockets.The losses from yesterday made me physically sick. More blood, death, destruction and sorrow heaped upon humanity in the name of the war on drugs. It was overwhelming for a while.Even if we had won all the initiatives last night, it still would have been another step forward and being knocked back three steps.Hopefully, I've got another 20 years, at least, of fight left in me and by the time I'm ready to retire from the reform scene, there'll be at least 100 fine young patriots ready to pick it up when I lay it down. Nah...I'll keep fighting with them til the day I die, God willing.
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Comment #133 posted by goneposthole on November 06, 2002 at 09:30:59 PT
my narrow-minded, bigoted POV
I think C-News is fucking great.
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Comment #132 posted by FoM on November 06, 2002 at 09:16:16 PT
Hi Mary
For those who want to know Mary is my sister. I didn't see the commercials because we don't get local news for Columbus until last night when we subscribed to the local channels. They used our tax dollars to fight change and I don't know how in a democracy that can be done. Police, Drug Czars and DEA people shouldn't be allowed to fight change using our money but they sure did. At least the great city of San Francisco stood tall! God Bless San Francisco! They know what compassion is. They've lived with the AIDS epidemic and they know what and how to do it right.
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Comment #131 posted by MaryB on November 06, 2002 at 09:08:52 PT
Ohio 
FOM I am truly sorry that Issue 1 did not pass. Maybe it was too much for the people of the state to handle. There weere some awful commercials showing "reformed drug users" leering and then going into an operating room. Reminded me of "Reefer madness" days. Perhaps next time the Issue should be on the compassionate use of marijuana for cancer and other dread diseases relief from nausea and pain. People from Ohio are pretty conservative but they have their fair share of cancer and other painful diseases. I can only imagine that those who are regulars on this site are tired and weary of fighting the Gov't but fight you must continue to do. I would stick with the compassionate reasons to decriminalize and continue to expose the idiocy of the Gov't in having Marijuana in Class 1. FoM you know where my heart is and I truly am sorry that the initiatives that made it to the ballots did not pass. I support your position and hope that in the future I can be of some help. I hope no one will give up (I know you won't) but will rest a bit and then keep on.  
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Comment #130 posted by SWAMPIE on November 06, 2002 at 08:52:37 PT
The "Selection Was Rigged".......
    Thank you Dan B. Your comment pretty much summed up my opinions too.As it has been said many times before"Opinions are like assholes,everybody's got one,and they all stink to someone".I couldn't believefor a second that ANY thinking voter-entity could do something as UNFAIR to the voting public as to use a"Programmable-Electronic-Device"to replace the paper ballot for a sure and countable vote of the people,by the people,and forthe people.It goes against all logic,and if I EVER see one of these in Ohigho,I'll personally DESTROY the Goddamn thing so everyone WILL have to vote on paper!!!!It makes me really mad to think that our"DEMOCRACY" would even stand for such an outrage!"What about the CHILDREN"?What will they learn from all of this?Will they just follow along like good little puppies,or will they get mad once they learn that things are not as they seem?(Labyrinth,David Bowie movie)A BIG shakeup needs to be brought on and we need to be the ones to instigate it.How do we do it?Maybe someone needs to go to Florida and smash the machines and force a real vote.I don't have all the answers,but I know that I'm mad as Hell,and I ain't gonna take it any more! ONWARDTHROUGHTHEFOG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  SWAMPIE
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Comment #129 posted by FoM on November 06, 2002 at 08:20:40 PT
Dan
I think we did a fine job on this thread last night. I don't know what you mean be elitists though. I really don't even know what an elitist is. No one can help me because it isn't easy to do. I think this thread shows that we are doing a good job and working towards a goal. I hope you are just upset because of the election. There are always some people who want things to be done the way they want but I can't please everyone. I need to follow my judgment. I haven't had to remove but only a few posts so I don't think it is really something to worry about. Registration is open now. It had to be temporarily closed to stop the angry people from registrating over and over again just to flame the site but its open now.
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Comment #128 posted by Dan B on November 06, 2002 at 06:04:55 PT:
Yes, it was rigged
Yes, the election was rigged. Of the 435 House elections, 14 were close. Why? Because of a little thing called gerrymeandering, which the Democrats and Republicans pushed through. Basically, the incumbents created districts that would always get them (and therefore their parties)elected. They drew lines--literally--around certain city blocks in order to exclude non-incumbent voters from the voting district, placing people who are surrounded by one district into another one for the convenience of removing dissenting voices. That is one form of rigging that both Democrats (to their detriment) and Republicans (to everyone's detriment) deliberately agreed to. And it backfired.Another form of rigging is the use of federal taxpayer dollars to support or fight against state elections, including ballot initiatives. This form of rigging should be illegal, yet the federal government wears this accomplishment like a badge of honor. Walters's visits to states with pro-cannabis measures is just one example. The president's whirlwind trips around the country in support of Republican candidates for governorships and U.S. Congress is another example. These are state elections; the president and his cronies have a country to run and have no business butting into state elections. In short, our taxpayer dollars were spent to shift the election against us. That is a form of rigging the election.Yet another form of rigging the election is the promotion of fear. Here is one that I quite frankly do not get: the Republicans are the world's biggest supporters of war; they constantly play upon the fears of another 9-11 (but refuse any investigation that might unmask their culpability in that disaster); they essentially support terrorism by promoting a drug war that fuels its funding and by promoting violence across the globe in the form of war after war after war; crime is up for the first time in 10 years; and racism is promoted in the national media by elected Republican officials in the form of hatred against "Islamists," which is a thinly veiled attack on all Muslims. Yet, the American people think that the Republicans will save them from terrorism. Here's a news flash: American Republicans are the biggest contributors to the world's terrorist environment.Finally, the voting process itself was literally rigged, as evidenced by the article at this link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6241-2002Nov5.html Computer balloting is the Republican vote-rigger's wet dream; it leaves no paper trail, thus nobody can go back and question the reuslts. Reports from Florida indicate that when at least some people entered "McBride," their votes came back in favor of Bush. I wonder how many people this happened to before the "glitch" was noticed? Guess what?--no paper trail means that nobody will ever know. And if you still don't think that Republicans rig elections, I'd like you to adequately explain election 2000 in Florida. Granted, this is typically the "last resort" tactic, but it is done--by both parties (a notable example is John F. Kennedy's first election win that was rigged by his father), and there is some degree of proof of voting malfeasance in at least four voting localities.And now, I have something to say about the new rules here at Cannabis News:They did nothing to help anything in this past election. Period. They have served three purposes, as far as I can tell: (1) they have removed a huge chunk of the color from our commentaries, (2) they have made most of us paranoid about truly speaking our minds, and (3) they have shown that we can be as fascist as the next guy. Great accomplishments, C-News.These rules have not raised the level of debate, and the main people who spoke out in favor of these rules have left anyway. Has anyone seen E-Johnson lately? Has anyone seen Lehder lately? These two are the biggest cowards I have yet faced in this forum. They sought to change Cannabis News, they succeeded, and then they ran away.Further, for the life of me I cannot understand FoM's recent comment that she can no longer take new registration requests on C-News. If FoM cannot handle the work load--and I know it is heavy--the proprietors of C-News need to find some help for her. There is no excuse for stifling the number of voices in this forum. When I read that FoM could not accept more registrations, I felt physically ill. Do not let Cannabis News become just another elitist site where only old-timers have a voice, and even they can't truly speak their minds as they see fit.Dan B
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Comment #127 posted by BGreen on November 06, 2002 at 05:49:39 PT
Dark Star is right
We tried to get the states to run cannabis shops and dispense confiscated cannabis, instead of just telling them to get the hell out of our lives.Next time we should push for legalization only and remove the majority of their objections.
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Comment #126 posted by Dark Star on November 06, 2002 at 04:32:46 PT
Post Mortem
It is a dark day for many of us. The usual strategy did not work. Why?Sorry folks, but this country has been swept up in a tidal wave of fascism and jingoism. People such as many of us merely do not vote in numbers. Our opponents do.The ballot measures were probably largely sunk by the fact that many of them mandated state involvement where those agencies did not wish this. Many votes were lost there.The public does understand the need for medical marijuana. The drive should continue with that.
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Comment #125 posted by DANA on November 06, 2002 at 03:57:06 PT
................yup....SWAMP..and 7........
..I'm a nightowl anyway,,,and in years past,,,in the wee hours,,there were many nocturnal chat-like marathons here at Cnews! ..brisk and robust exchanges that wandered far into the nebulous lost realms of offtopic ramblings and ravings..
 I never even knew what a "chat room" was until Kap and DocHawk,(?),and others here invited my old,uninformed ass to try it out. ...I always found the term "chat",to be somewhat repugnant,and yuppy-esque...Eventually,,the late night marathons were eliminated due to criticisms of their raving off topic nature,not to mention the irreverent,and ribald blasphemous mischief from that 4d/q/p/b freak!..Now that the political climate has festered further into hellish oblivion,,perhaps tasteful use of the "f" word will once again be tolerated...(just kidding),,,but I'll bet alot of people would have found it therapeutic to use certain proper and appropriate expletives in this thread.......Maybe we should designate a night when anything goes,,,,something like:" Cnews Chattin' and Cussin' Friday Nite Ramblin' & Ravin' Marathon" ...a special night when all guidelines are put on hold,,and everyone can cut loose with their real opinions.(?)....just kidding...
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Comment #124 posted by The GCW on November 06, 2002 at 03:49:40 PT
Positive measurements.
We are living during, and are part of a movement. Today and yesterday is another measurement of progress in that movement. That movement will continue, regardless of todays measurement, but will give Us an understanding of when We will not have to live under this persecution for using a plant.It is measurement day. The measurement indicates We are making great progress. We will take more measurements in the future and must continue in this fight till the measurement adds up.
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Comment #123 posted by Number 7 on November 06, 2002 at 03:00:25 PT
insomnia
I see I am not the only one who can't sleep. Trying to lol but having a real hard time of it.Yes, DANA, Canada and Europe also are looking good right now.
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Comment #122 posted by SWAMPIE on November 06, 2002 at 02:53:46 PT
DANA.....
  I think FoM wrote in an earlier post that we may use this thread as a chat,as everyone needed a place to vent a bit over the"selection" processed,and paid-for buy our drug-war-funded oops! I mean hard earned tax dollars.It's gonna be a loooonngggg fight to get these dummies and maroons to come around to our way of thinking.With all the gambles we take just getting out of bed each day,as well as lotteries and horses;etc.,we're just going to have to work harder to never let those who wish us harm know that we ain't gonna take it without vaseline any more,and instead we will feed the fire with gasoline!!! Perhaps it's time to get out the super-soaker and fill it with Monsantos' favorite blend and send them all a message in writing! "You won't win John",or "Johnny can't read between the lines/lies",or "Revolution-Now" any ideas?ONWARDTHROUGHTHEFOG!!               SWAMPIE
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Comment #121 posted by DANA on November 06, 2002 at 02:29:24 PT
excerpts from Barry Crimmins
                                            CrimQuips                                    Commentary by Barry Crimmins        http://www.barrycrimmins.com      Up until last night, the American people couldn't be blamed..... Up until last night.   
      How embarrassing it is to be an American. Just when you feel we have reached a new low, someone turns on
      the jukebox and we limbo beneath it.        *******      Didn't NC Senator-elect Liddy Dole's mortician do a great job on her makeup for her victory
      speech?      If Canadian real estate agents have any brains, they're busy raising the prices on all their listings in preparation for
      a surge of calls from south of the border Wednesday morning.  
      The next major task for Democrats will be to find a way to somehow blame Ralph Nader for
      November 5.P.S.thanx 4 the links DdCP.P.S...hope it's OK to post these Barry Crimmins Quips.
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Comment #120 posted by DdC on November 06, 2002 at 02:07:30 PT
try these then...
http://www.prismagems.com/castanedahttp://www.nseo.com/remember/index.htm
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Comment #119 posted by Dankhank on November 06, 2002 at 02:04:48 PT:
What Now?
I am speechless ... as I was on 9-11 ...The sheer magnitude of the disaster is profound. One wonders what must be changed, since what we have been doing is inadequate. All in here have much wisdom, yet ...I told a few people over the last few months that I believe we must emulate Act-Up. If we can take victims to the town meetings and speak up.In forty minutes it will be 4:20, the first one after the "death of the democrats." I am not sleepy. Maybe we should all go to our local Democratic Headquarters tomorrow and tell them some truths.The late unlamented failed Dem. candidate for Sen. Inhofe's senate seat owes me a meet for coffee and truth. Will I get it? I'll let ya'll know.
Hemp N Stuff
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Comment #118 posted by DANA on November 06, 2002 at 01:56:49 PT
...DdC....Soul Brother of The Mystical Esoterica..
...Carlos Castenada,,and the teachings of Don Juan..In my teens.I read A Seperate Reality,and Journey to Ixtlan,(and a third book,cant recall the title),,,I have always remembered the concept of the part you posted...but especially when he said something like;"in order for your actions to have their full power,you must do them as if they were the last thing you do in your life..."..(?)...Thanx for posting that DdC....you are a heavy cat.......Keep on Keepin' on.....d
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Comment #117 posted by DdC on November 06, 2002 at 01:24:49 PT
I ran into some of those too Dana...
Why vote? It doesn't matter. So I said those who don't vote give up their right to bitch. Cali is allowing people to vote on weekends the month before the elections now, and still people can't find time. Baaaaaaa.I don't believe the nationals count but I do believe the locals can make a difference, so I vote. Haven't heard much local news other than S.F.'s "S" Kicked ass...Time to get back to work...DdCFor me the world is weird because it is stupendous, awesome, mysterious, unfathomable; my interest has been to convince you that you must assume responsibility for being here, in this marvelous world, in thie marvelous desert, in this marvelous time. I wanted to convince you that you must learn to make every act count, since you are going to be here for only a short while; in fact, too short for witnessing all the marvels of it. -- Don Juan in Carlos Castaneda's Journey to IxtlanCarlos Castaneda's Don Juan's Teachings
http://www.panworld.net/~rmace/castaneda/djintro.html Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself
-- as a criminal. -- Frederic Bastiat, "The Law"Non-cooperation with evil is as much a duty as cooperation with good. -- Mohandas GandhiStill, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not so costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves. --Winston ChurchillMorality is always the product of terror; its chains and strait-waistcoats are fashioned by those who dare not trust others, because they dare not trust themselves, to walk in liberty. -- Aldous HuxleyAnyone can become angry - that is easy, but to be angry with the right person, to the right degree, at the right time, for the right purpose, and in the right way, that is not easy. -- Aristotle (384-322 B.C.)The very first woman to run for the presidency of the United States was Victoria Claflin Woodhull in 1872. She ran on a platform of free love, women's suffrage, short skirts, legalized prostitution and the right of women to orgasm. She
was arrested and jailed on obscenity charges the day before the election. She lost the election to Ulysses S. Grant.Be Here Now
http://remember.laading.net/thebook/index.htm
Visions of a Sacred Tree
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Comment #116 posted by DANA on November 06, 2002 at 00:26:09 PT
..perhaps you are not concerned yet..
..well then look at the excellent comment posted by prop203 ,(#113),about the voting machines,,.....then,visit ;http://www.talion.com/election-machines.htmlyou wont be disappointed!
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Comment #115 posted by DANA on November 06, 2002 at 00:19:05 PT
A walk in the fog was just what JAH ordered!
.....Intrigueing comment FoM;..."He is so polite on the phone. Hate to wreck his image but it's true. He's so I don't know. You'd never guess Dana was
      Dana. I swear! "WOW,,,that makes me wonder about the image that you "wrecked",FoM.(?)....I think that there are some people who have figured out that Dana is indeed,Dana.....I like to think that Dana is always polite,even when not on the phone......this is not to say that Dana is not kinda bad,,,but I always assumed that it was a 'polite badness'...On my walk.I ran into a couple of my neighbors,,there I was,,all upset about the grotesque and questionable events of the day ,,,,they could tell I was sort of disturbed about something,,,they astonished me,,they said,"Oh,that's right,,today was when people vote.".......I continued on,,barefoot through the fog,,,then,as soon as I walked in the door,,my ex-girlfriend called,to see if my parakeets were enjoying the toys that she bought for them!...She also did not have a clue of an election occurring.........all this left me kinda spaced.,,,,then,,I find that FoM has made an attempt to "wreck my image"..!,,you're gonna have to do better than that FoM..My image is not that easily wrecked...(lol)...I partook of a wee bit of medication,,,,and now,,I am fine......Praise JAH......P.S.....Right On CongressmanSuet!...Good to see you!...Things are worse than anyone thinks,and you are one of the few people who know it!
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Comment #114 posted by DdC on November 06, 2002 at 00:08:07 PT
This was a test...
We needed to expose the racist and we did. We have their names and now we can organize against them. Bush had the house and senate before. Sorry to burst a bubble but this is Fascism. Votes are staged for the benefit of the masses. $200 Billion aimed towards Sadamn will bring in $50 Billion in taxes. Borrowed from Bushit Banksters plus interest. The WoD another $5 billion taxes on the budget alone. When the government gives billions to internationalist without allegience to America and ship jobs to dollar a day slavepits. Prohibit competition. You know this is Babylon and a test to find the truth.A clear Victory. Let alone a mammoth undertaking fought fairly and hard. Not a damn thing to be ashamed about. This is still the best country on the planet. Why? Cause we will not quit. How many more of these damn Fascist acts are going to take place before we cannabist get our shit together in solidarity? Who knows. I take em as they come. We are growing and the lies are being exposed. The "mainstream" is shaking and truth will survive. Those who voted against freedom have to live with themselves. Those who advocated against freedom are known and will be confronted everyday. The day is ours. The war is now officially established and the lines are drawn. The government is the minority and dispite the sinate or grosscons in the house of whores. Babylon is falling. Never has a joint tasted so sweet. Now the people can knuckle under the thumb of the boy emporer or continue fighting the good fight. Cannabis is the keystone of WoD and WoD the staple of Fascism. This is becoming obvious to even the status quo. Especially those not profiting or those with kids suffering. The more info we pass here or on yahoo groups or news chain forums, the more it hits home with people. So many evils in this war on cannabis. Now each day brings more good news from writers finding our info, from politico's and cops who know something smells and now can put a finger on it. Truth always prevails. I read the book.Many harmed by diseases are finding they're loved ones could have been helped if politicops served the citizens and not the Internationalist. Many cops are sick of watching corruption and the same with judges and those not under the strings of the puppetmaster George I. Cannabis prohibition is their major funding in this abomination called the Untied State of Anemica. And many non toking anti Bushits are finding out. Living History and fighting for freedom ain't easy, its just the right thing to do. So Peace, Love and Liberty to each of you who do give a damn! You did a fine job. Well Done and Thanks!!!Death to the D.E.A.th!DdC"I hold it, that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. "Thomas Jefferson, Letter to James Madison, 1,30, 1787It's a racist War on Cannabis
http://www.cannabinoid.com/wwwboard/politics/binaries/27/27583.gifPREJUDICE: CANNABIS AND JIM CROW LAWS
http://www.jackherer.com/book/ch13.htmlA.C.L.U.
http://www.cannabinoid.com/boards/politics/media/36/36252.gif
Believe
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Comment #113 posted by Prop203 on November 06, 2002 at 00:01:00 PT:
More Bush
Scores and scores of reports are accumulating in the early hours of the Florida Governor’s race, indicating wide scale election fraud and election rigging. Callers are reporting to the popular Florida radio talk show, The Neil Rodgers Show that when they selected McBride, Bushes challenger, the machines instead registered a vote for Bush. Wide scale machine "breakdowns" reported throughout Democratic strongholds in Orange, Brevard and Seminole counties. Republican districts appear to be enjoying a speedy and efficient polling day.The religious orders who control through their proxy intelligence agencies here in America have instituted completely computerized touch screen voting machines in many counties now - Severing once and for all the last remaining connection between a vote and any physical evidence of that vote. In the past, we at least had piles of real hard evidence in the form of physical ballots to fight over - now there is nothing. Just a US intelligence agency, CIA, to assure us that everything is all right and going as planned. Physical ballots with all their chads and imperfections they were at least a physical entity and so required considerably more effort and risk to alter. But now there is only a proprietary secret software program which no one except US intelligence can control which determines if the button you press registers a vote for the particular lying scumbag politician you selected or whether the machine, “Glitches,” and places your vote, instead, for the lying scumbag politician you didn’t select. Since there has never been a computer system which has not been hacked, what makes us think that these systems cannot be hacked? And since we do not know the officers of the British based company who owns the American Based company who makes the machines, how do we know that they are beyond corruption? Seems we are learning each day that in fact more corporations than we previously imagined are involved in widw scale corruption, so why not the corporation who makes the polling machines? Companies like these who get such huge government contracts are usually nothing more than CIA front companies set up for the sole purpose of achieving all their objectives, self financing objectives, political objectives, and others. We can, with near certain accuracy safely extrapolate that the political “beliefs” of the owners of Sequoia Voting Systems are firmly conservative. We challenge anyone to prove otherwise. (Nearly all persons who do over a hundred million dollars of government contracting are conservatives, its called, reality) So what makes anyone think that they would risk losing votes for the persons who are responsible for those massive inside contracts which made them wealthy beyond belief in the first place? (All government contracting is insider deals - regardless of whatever the illusions is, of safeguards in place to prevent such practices) And since we have seen nearly universal corruption on every level in every corporation, what makes anyone think that Sequoia Voting Systems would be immune from such corruption? And since it is far easier to move fraudulent computer coding in and out of these machines at the speed of light, to have it waiting one minute in a remote memory register of the machine, only to be instantly erased the moment some questions appear regarding an irregularity in the machine, what makes anyone think such deceptive computer code is not there? For example a deceptive program comprising only ten or twenty lines of code could be easily disguised as a computer glitch, which is not illegal (Glitches never are, and the dark force knows this) yet causes the votes for one candidate to instead register for another candidate. If questions arise doubting the integrity of the votes the machines could be designed to clandestinely erase all traces of the “Glitch” by simple pressing a defined series of keys which could clear out the eeprom (electrically erasable programmable read only memory) containing the malicious code and any evidence that such code ever existed would vanish forever, because they are made of electrons - not paper. And electrons conveniently leave ZERO trace of their existence unlike a paper ballot. Since there is ZERO scrutiny or testing of these machines, we will never know. Try to argue that in front of the Supreme Court - It’s not going to happen because, as the world has witnessed - They are central players in the scam. How can we be sure that these machines don’t have such code lurking within? We cannot. Unless we demand that for such critical functions such as vote counting there must be an OPEN STANDARD initiative established for vote counting and tallying technology - NOT PROPRIETARY SECRETIVE MECHANISMS OWNED BY SHADOWY CORPORATIONS WITH LINKS TO FOREIGN CORPORATIONS. This is a perfect example of the fabulous corruption which has gripped our nation. The thinking at the very core of this New World Order is a shrill shreeking fraud. It is a joke. A slap on the face to every thinking and alive person. In insult on the face of humanity. The New World Order must be stopped. That much is for certain. But who will be brave enough to step up and make the first move. To slowly and gradually take away everything we have, step by step, in such a way that nobody even remembers a time where we were free. We are not free. We are in a prison. Many Americans don’t even realize that everything they used to have is gone.Avi Rubin, a technology security expert and researcher at AT&T Labs in New Jersey doubts the integrity of the new voting method. “These systems are largely untested.” Critics decry the proprietary nature of the machines, pointing out that there is no public scrutiny of the machines allowed. Without scientists being able to freely analyze the systems, election officials may be leaving themselves open to the possibility of hacking, vote tampering or incorrect calculations. No outside examination or auditing of the inner workings of the machines is permitted. Why? Isn’t voting a public trust? Don’t we have a right to know what is inside those machines? Now only a handful of “Specialists” can open up those machines and see what’s going on inside. Their goal was to break us of that last remaining connection to the real, and they have done so. And now we simply have another CIA controlled computer system in place where there is no longer a physical connection between the voter and his vote. You can bet that it’s going to get worse. You will see miraculous and perplexing victories of hyper conservative candidates in critical districts which formally voted liberally.And this time there won’t be any recounts. Because there will be nothing to recount. Just a mere digit on a memory chip - Changeable, modifyable and completely UNVERIFYABLE. Just a mysterious number on a secret machine that they assure us works correctly. Soon you will witness conservatives all across the country, beating all odds and scoring major victories. Solidly liberal communities will suddenly have fundamentalist conservative leadership. And unless we stop them now, there will be no chance at ever escaping the prison that is on it's way to each and every American mind. And the Supreme court will simply back it all up, after all, “The machine doesn’t lie.” Time to destroy the machine
Wake up
Stand up
Fight back
Every day and every way you can
Your life is at stake!VoxfuxNOTE: If there is no public outcry to make those machines an OPEN STANDARD, then there should be no outcry once humankind falls into the hands of the darkest human force ever assembled... Stand up and fight this! 
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Comment #112 posted by Number 7 on November 05, 2002 at 23:39:12 PT
from occupied amerika
Considering the economic punishment that the west coast is suffering, seemingly for voting for gore two years ago, I wonder what is in store for Nevada. I expect to see a massive pot user round up. 'all you pot heads, up against the wall!!! how dare you try to change the law!!!'I tried to be upbeat, i tried to believe. I mean, if communisim can fall in russia, why can't pot prohibition end in the US. It doesn't seem like too much to ask. Legal pot would do a lot to take the sting out of being occupied.
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Comment #111 posted by BGreen on November 05, 2002 at 23:22:51 PT
Republicans gain control of the house and senate
king bush has free reign over us now. The next two years is going to suck royally, but the sheeple get what they deserve.I'm ashamed to be an amerikan, where I guess I'll never be free. Born and raised here, and hated by the majority. God I hate this country.
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Comment #110 posted by DdC on November 05, 2002 at 23:19:17 PT
Remember Their Names. The D.E.A.th Wishers
"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to
danger." Reichsmarschall Hermann Goering, Nazi Air Force (Luftwaffe) commander, the Nuremberg Trials "There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz and swing, result from marijuana usage. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers and any others." Harry Anslinger, U.S. Commissioner of Narcotics, testifying to Congress on why marijuana should be made illegal, 1937. (Marijuana Tax Act, signed Aug. 2, 1937; effective Oct. 1, 1937.) Will Glaspy, a DEA spokesman in Washington, D.C., Police Chief John Murray of Ashburnham, Sonya Barna, commander of the Department of Justice's Campaign Against Marijuana Production, known as CAMP, Mark Kleiman, professor of policy studies at the University of California, Las Vegas Sun, Gary a former Sun managing editor who now works as an executive for Harrah's and 22-year-old daughter Kelly Thompson, Author: Jeff German, Columnist, Representatives of law enforcement agencies including Metro Police, Nevada Highway Patrol and North Las Vegas Police, NHP spokesman Jim Olschlager, former Bush Sr. aide Sig Rogich, Gov. Bob Taft, his wife, his chief of staff, two Ohio 'cabinet' members and numerous other officials, aided by Mary Ann Solberg, the drug czars of Florida and Michigan, Betty Sembler a senior DEA agent, the Republican National Committee, Partnership for a Drug-Free America, Clinton drug czar Barry McCaffrey , Rep. Bob Barr Amendment restricts plaintiffs' First Amendment right (R-GA), Maricopa County attorney Rick Romley -- who touted his candidacy for drug czar got the curiously numbered Proposition 302 on the ballot., Jerry Gjesvold Register-Guard STOP DUI Executive Director Sandy Heverly, Dorothy North, former state Substance Abuse Commission Chairwoman operates the Vitality House rehabilitation center in Elko. Lt. Stan Olsen, the Las Vegas police legislative lobbyist, Rachel Wilkie, a Rogich Communications representative who works for the committee Sgt. Rick Barela, spokesman for the Las Vegas Metro Police , Jack Foote, the spokesman for Ranch Rescue. About 13 volunteers for the group, called Ranch Rescue, Roger Barnett U.S. Attorney Steven Biskupic, William Schilling , Waukesha County District Attorney Paul Bucher, Preble County,Ohio SWAT team , Iron County, Utah Attorney Scott Garrett , Assistant U.S. Attorney Samuel Wong , Union-Tribune Editorial ,
Clark County, Nevada Deputy District Attorney Gary Booker, state Sen. Joe Neal the Democratic candidate for governor of Nevada, President George W. Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, 
LaRouche organization, Nevada Board of Health Dr. Joey Villaflor, chairman of the board, Riverside County,CA prosecutor assigned to the case, Cynthia Brewer, Bush's Office of National Drug Control Policy appointed drug czar John P. Walters, D.E.A.th head salesman Asa Hutchinson,
Attorney Germinal John Ashcraft, Matt Salmon and Janet Napolitano, the current state Attorney General and former U.S. Attorney for Arizona. Ronald P. Pierini, Sheriff of Douglas County Nevada, Pima County Arizona cops, Sheriff Clarence Dupnik and County Attorney Barbara LaWall,
DEA spokesman Will Glaspy, Gregory M. Gassett is assistant special agent in charge for the Seattle Field Division of the Drug Enforcement Administration, Pedro Morales, Reno Gazette-Journal, Dick Foreman Arizona Republican, Harry J. Anslinger, U.S. Commissioner of Narcotics Robert Stutman, a former Drug Enforcement Administration agent,
Tom Gardner, Pennington County (SD) States Attorney Glenn Brenner, Brad Schreiber, a Belle Fourche,SD Attorney. DEA Chief Administrator Robert Bonner Republican attorney general candidate Brian Sandoval, Democrat John Hunt, Non-partisan sheriff's candidates Randy Oaks a police captain, and Bill Young a Las Vegas deputy police chief, Republican district attorney candidate David Roger, Democratic opponent, Mike Davidson, Columbia Police Chief Randy Boehm, Municipal Judge John Whiteside, The Arizona Pharmacy Association and the Arizona Society of Health System Pharmacists, Pati Urias, a spokeswoman for the Arizona Attorney General's Office, Pima County,Az Attorney Barbara LaWall, a Democrat, Sgt. Mike Bonin, a DPS spokesman, National Institute on Drug Abuse, Steve Gust, a spokesman, Taft, his wife, his chief of staff, two Ohio 'cabinet' members, numerous other officials, Mary Ann Solberg, senior U.S. Senate staffer, the drug czars of Florida and Michigan and a senior DEA agent. Betty Sembler, four top executives from the Partnership for a Drug-Free America... always continuing...
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Comment #109 posted by Ron Bennett on November 05, 2002 at 23:15:20 PT
Absentee Ballots Not Counted Yet??
According to various pre-election polls I read, the AZ and NV refendums were much closer than the results we are seeing tonight.Are absentee ballots included in the counts? I doubt it will change the overall outcome, but could narrow the spread.Ron
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Comment #108 posted by Reverend Nick on November 05, 2002 at 23:14:48 PT:
Asylum?
Does anybody think we can get Canada, Portugal, Italy, Holland,or England etc.. to grant us Political Asylum? Are we not political criminals? It's getting hot here in Amerika for people who still believe in actual freedom as opposed to little petroleum-based plastic flags flying from monsterous dinosaur-teet sucking SUV's--type freedom.
The Hawaii Cannabis Ministry--We Use Cannabis Religiously
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Comment #107 posted by DdC on November 05, 2002 at 23:10:10 PT
S.F. Ran Out of Ballots So Many Turned Out!
The newz said it passed by a landslide...Up Yours Wally D.E.A.th!Be Honest With Children About Past Pot ExperiencesDEAR PARENTS WITH FOGGY MEMORIES: PLEASE DON'T PRETEND YOU NEVER INHALED Not long ago, I attended an elegant wedding in which, among the victuals circulating as the party 
approached midnight, were a hash pipe, courtesy of one guest, 
and a hydroponic pot joint, courtesy of 
another. A small, appreciative crowd gathered around the pipe owner. 
''Wow,'' murmured a stock broker, ''I 
haven't seen hash in years.'' The architect who'd brought the 
pipe nodded. ''You certainly don't see good 
hash much,'' offered a TV producer. ''Sometimes you get stuff 
that looks like reprocessed record vinyl. 
But otherwise I see only pot.'' The hash, everyone who puffed the pipe agreed, was smashing. A 
velvet high, inspiring some happy, 
witty repartee. The hydroponic pot, on the other hand, proved a 
bit strong, causing one fellow to forget 
what he was saying in the middle of a joke. ''You have to be sparing with hydroponic, I find,'' said a 
lawyer, as the stoned fellow apologized with a 
laugh. ''One hit usually does it.'' What was remarkable about this wedding party was the fact that 
it was actually unremarkable. Marijuana 
in one form or another is so common at the weddings, New Year's 
Eve parties and dinner soirees of 
thirtysomething professionals in urban America that it doesn't 
merit scandalized remark. It has come to 
be perceived as a special-occasion drug, like good champagne or 
port. Has a whole generation lost its sense of responsibility and 
well-being? Well, no. You never see a ''pot 
addict'' who drains his life savings to feed the habit. You 
don't see an epidemic of slaughter on the 
highways caused by ''smoking and driving.'' There are no violent 
uprisings between spouses or at 
nightclubs after the inhalation of ganja. To the contrary, people who smoke pot tend to lie down on 
couches and eat crackers. Ah, yes, you may retort, but that's the problem: Pot smokers 
lose their motivation! No, they don't. Two 
former dabblers in weed are now the governors, respectively, of 
Minnesota and New Mexico. One is the 
laconic, eloquent presidential hopeful Bill Bradley. Canadian 
snowboarder Ross Rebagliati won an 
Olympic gold medal, the Grateful Dead became one of the 
highest-grossing concert acts of all time, and 
everybody I've ever met who smokes pot now and then, ranging 
from high-paid scientists to 
award-winning writers, carries on pro forma. Pot is like alcohol: People undone by it usually are trying to 
undo themselves because something in their 
lives is too painful or too scary to confront soberly. The same 
is true of overeating, workaholism, abusing 
painkillers and gobbling tranquilizers. This difference between self-abuse and recreational pot smoking 
is so widely and tacitly understood that 
the only people who miss the point are the pundits and 
''experts'' who shout that pot is just one step down 
the road to heroin, crack cocaine and death. Everybody else, 
including several squirming politicians, 
remains silent, preferring to keep the secret -- of how they 
found a baby sitter last weekend, smoked pot, 
went bowling and had a blast -- to themselves. A few years ago, my local newspaper ran a big feature about what 
steps parents could take to warn their 
teens off pot. We're talking about baby boomers here, who, 
according to the paper, were supposed to say 
to their kids: ''I did try marijuana when I was your age, but we 
knew very little about drugs then, and it 
was an experience that I regret.'' Yeah, right. Like you regret the time that you smoked a bong 
with your first boyfriend in college during 
the Summer of Love and stayed up all night talking about 
philosophy and listening to Van Morrison and 
then made love in a bubble bath. Furthermore, you rue the time that you tried honey oil on a 
cigarette at a King Crimson concert one 
beautiful night in July, and it was like, the best concert you 
ever attended. And that time you were on your honeymoon in Jamaica and someone 
offered you ganja tea, and you sat 
on the beach in mellow bliss until the sun set? Never again, you 
vowed. Either your teen is an idiot, or they're gonna look at you like 
you're one. Is it not far more credible than playing this hypocrite's game 
to instruct our youth -- 23% of whom have 
tried pot, according to the Parents' Resource Institute for Drug 
Education -- on wise, sparing usage? We 
might tell them, for instance, that hydroponic is awfully 
strong, and too much will play havoc with their 
short-term memory while they're stoned, making it difficult to 
follow the plot of a movie or the gist of 
their friends' conversations. Best to go home, in that case, 
and just listen to music. We must tell them that they should never make hash brownies and 
leave the pan on the kitchen counter 
without telling anyone else who might be tempted to eat them 
what's in the ingredients. We should prepare them for the enhancements of their perception, 
which will make them more 
appreciative of music, comedy, beautiful starry skies and raw 
cookie dough, but can also enhance their 
self-consciousness so that they keep wondering whether they just 
said something stupid. Heightened 
awareness cuts both ways. They need to know that. When I was 14 and was found face-down in a snowbank, blotto on 
Kahluha, by my best friend's dad, he 
knew exactly what to do. He knew how to sober me up, and he 
knew how to counsel me on appropriate 
drinking. I learned from him, and over the next few years of 
trial and spectacular error, I figured out how 
to drink. My friend's dad had no corresponding knowledge of pot, nor did 
my parents. They worried; they 
panicked; they overreacted; they wondered what was so funny. We do have the knowledge now. Our kids can use it. So let's 
regain some credibility and stop pretending 
that we didn't inhale.
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Comment #106 posted by CongressmanSuet on November 05, 2002 at 22:58:18 PT:
17 out of the last 19...
 initiatives pass, then all of a sudden we are a nation of right-wing republican war mongers and we lose alot of our momentum. Tonight, while some paint it a "victory" of sorts, and believe me, I do agree that the exposure has done us alot of good, the brainwashed sheeple still just dont get it! Thank goodness we can now get away from these silly senate and house races and get back to the important task at hand, killing Saddam and deviding up his oil. Without a revolution'bloody, it would be the only way' we, the true silent majority are trapped. It has finally come down to the point where election results are questioned as fraudently derived, where our chief executive spends 80% of his time campaigning for similar big business repubs, and the other 20% trying to understand what Cheney is ordering him to do, what is next? We have seen the police massacres[Rainbow Farm], we know that police corruption is at an incredible all time high, what do we do? Should we wait for a 4am warrant served with automatic weapons drawn because some idiot who got busted with a dime bag points a finger at us because we "smoke a joint"? How bad is this gonna get? In NY, it used to be if you got busted with under an ounce you got a ticket and were not even brought in. Now, you face arrest, fingerprints, a nite in jail, all for the same offense with the same outcome...pay the ticket. Like DANA has been saying, we are headed for some surely very dark times....
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Comment #105 posted by FoM on November 05, 2002 at 22:55:45 PT

canaman and everyone
It's not that cold here yet but it's rainy and very bone chilling cold. I love wood heat. Saves money on heating too. I will post articles tomorrow about the Initiatives when I find any. We must hold our heads high and be proud because we are making an impact even though we didn't get the victories we wanted. We will.
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Comment #104 posted by canaman on November 05, 2002 at 22:45:32 PT

Yes it was a very short brisk walk for me!
Only about 20degs. out! burrrrr that's what I get for living in the mountains. I wish I had a wood burning stove again. Oh well at least it's warm inside.
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Comment #103 posted by FoM on November 05, 2002 at 22:42:12 PT

By The Way About Dana
He is so polite on the phone. Hate to wreck his image but it's true. He's so I don't know. You'd never guess Dana was Dana. I swear! LOL!
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Comment #102 posted by FoM on November 05, 2002 at 22:38:31 PT

p4me 
I see p4me never thought of it that way and canaman I'd go for a walk but it's too cold outside! It would fire me up too. I'll stay by the woodstove. It's warm. Soothing too. Need soothing stuff tonight. 
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Comment #101 posted by Hope on November 05, 2002 at 22:37:28 PT

I get it, Dana
Funny! Well thought out!
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Comment #100 posted by Prop203 on November 05, 2002 at 22:37:07 PT:

I don get it
I just dont see how we can have a 20% lead in the polls all the way till election day...then some how we loose 30% This almost seems fixed.. Can some one tell me thier is no way it was fixed? Dose this smell fishy to anyone else?Prop203

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Comment #99 posted by john wayne on November 05, 2002 at 22:34:10 PT

don't forget
half the people in nevada are sh*tkickers who probably think that you "shoot" mara-gee-wanna.40% of the voters in a largly rural, predominantly white, bush-backing state say "yes, you should be able to posess nearly a quarter pound of pot, legally."In THIS political climate of war and fear of terrorism, that looks like a pretty good showing.
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Comment #98 posted by canaman on November 05, 2002 at 22:31:50 PT

Hopefully he will feel better after his walk
Nothing like a little fresh air. I think I'll step outside for a bit myself
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Comment #97 posted by p4me on November 05, 2002 at 22:28:28 PT

At least Tim Hutchinson lost in Arkansas
One good thing about tonight is that DEAth Hutchinson's brother was defeated for return to the Senate. It is not all bad news.FoM, Dana is using every word except the f word and the restraint is taxing to his nature.1

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Comment #96 posted by TecHnoCult on November 05, 2002 at 22:20:35 PT

DANA
I think it is just the spur that we need. I would have rather it happened before we turn everything over to one party, but I think it will backlash on them with a vengence.THC
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Comment #95 posted by Toad on November 05, 2002 at 22:19:31 PT

Alaska 2004
I'm sure an initative in Alaska in '04 could pass. Change will come
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Comment #94 posted by FoM on November 05, 2002 at 22:19:28 PT

Dana
Why all the weird words? 
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Comment #93 posted by DANA on November 05, 2002 at 22:12:45 PT

...creepy times ahead!
.....(I am going to try out my new "non-profane" profity substitute terms..hope it's acceptable.)...I copulating knew this was gonna happen!...It's even more intercoursed than I expected.....If you thought the last two years were copulated,,,well get ready,,,hang on to your effin' hat because times are coming that will make the last two years look like no big deal....I am really intercoursingly disturbed ,,,so I'm going to take my little white dog for a brisk walk,and cool off... 
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Comment #92 posted by TecHnoCult on November 05, 2002 at 22:10:53 PT

Something Positive
Asa's brother Tim Huchitson was defeated in the house. That's good.Also, if the trend continues, we will get over 40% of the vote for Q9. That's pretty good.Looks like Prop S will pass. That's good.Our issue made the cover of Time magazine. That's pretty good.Anyone got anything else? We have stuff to celebrate!THC
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Comment #91 posted by afterburner on November 05, 2002 at 22:07:42 PT:

Taxpayer money used against the voters
p4me-Sounds like a good issue for a class action civil suit for misuse of funds by Asa.
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Comment #90 posted by FoM on November 05, 2002 at 22:07:42 PT

Robbie
Something positive! Tomorrow my friend is another day and hope will come back too. Maybe not as fast for some as for others but it will return because we are right and only want to be understood.
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Comment #89 posted by firedog on November 05, 2002 at 22:06:20 PT

The magic 40%
Of course, 50% would be better, but 40% is still pretty damn good given the political climate in this country right now.If we get 40%, it shows that we're not just a bunch of ragtag stoners out saying "legalize it, man" (not that there's anything wrong with that!) but that we're an important *mainstream* political force, one that can no longer just be ignored or laughed at.It shows to politicians that if you come out in favor of legalization, it doesn't mean a political death sentence.And everyone in America will know this tomorrow morning, that 40% of an entire state voted to legalize pot!Yes, I am feeling pretty discouraged right now. This whole election cycle is shaping up to be quite depressing. I'm trying to find the silver cloud here. No, wait, that's the silver lining.And I hope that this issue shows up on every state's ballot during the next few years. I'm sure it would stand a decent chance in California, for instance.
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Comment #88 posted by FoM on November 05, 2002 at 22:04:11 PT

p4me
It is sad but we are fighting so many years of this mentality. Change doesn't come easy. We've all heard that enough thru our lives and it is true. Daniel Forbes is a fine writer. He's nice to talk to. He's on a mission like we all are. We will keep on keepin' on.
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Comment #87 posted by p4me on November 05, 2002 at 21:59:30 PT

It is kind of sad isn't it
It is about bedtime. The snowball is getting bigger and faster but we just haven't smashed into some the weak points of the prohibitionist. The weakness is there and we will hit them again tomorrow.Cannabis is the ideal recreational drug and how can you stop that. Walters is worried and Hutchinson needs removed for using taxpayer money defeating these balloots. Tell them Dan Forbes.1

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Comment #86 posted by FoM on November 05, 2002 at 21:53:36 PT

Looking Real Good!
PROPOSITION S      YES . . . . . . . . . . . .  48,675  59.12      NO. . . . . . . . . . . . .  33,656  40.88

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Comment #85 posted by Robbie on November 05, 2002 at 21:52:56 PT:

bad day
Looking for positives :-\
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Comment #84 posted by FoM on November 05, 2002 at 21:51:01 PT

TecHnoCult 
I am holding my breathe. I'm not superstitious but am waiting to say what Prop S could mean until it is called. That might not be until morning since the San Francisco Chronicle wasn't for it. You can imagine though what it could mean.
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Comment #83 posted by TecHnoCult on November 05, 2002 at 21:41:59 PT

Go Prop S!!!
We need a victory tonight.And I consider anything over 40 on Q9 a symbolic victory.THC
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Comment #82 posted by FoM on November 05, 2002 at 21:38:49 PT

I Hope San Francisco Wins and it's So Close

PROPOSITION SYES . . . . . . . . . . . .  18,433  52.93      NO. . . . . . . . . . . . .  16,391  47.07http://www.ci.sf.ca.us/election/results1102/results.htm
 

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Comment #81 posted by delta9 on November 05, 2002 at 21:30:58 PT

too bad...
...ya want something done right, ya gotta do it in California...repubs always do well when turnout is low. i wonder if 2004 will be a good year for a 203-style proposition in California. I bet it would pass, particularly if the DEA keeps up the full-court press.
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Comment #80 posted by FoM on November 05, 2002 at 21:30:30 PT

Republicans or Democrats
I am very non political. When I believe in an issue I have a lot of passion but I don't have faith in politics in general. I believe in people who know how to get knocked down but bounce back up and go well now what. We have to get society to understand that Cannabis isn't something to be feared. The children aren't the issue. Adults rights are the issue.
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Comment #79 posted by BGreen on November 05, 2002 at 21:25:52 PT

CNN calls Nevada Question 9 as NO with only
47% of the precincts in. Either they're psychic, or else they knew the results before the voters did.
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Comment #78 posted by canaman on November 05, 2002 at 21:23:19 PT

47% in numbers are a little better
Nevada Question 9:
Marijuana Possession
updated: 12:08 a.m. No 185,815 61% Yes 116,883 39% 47% of precincts reporting 

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Comment #77 posted by TecHnoCult on November 05, 2002 at 21:20:37 PT

Republicans
I think it was the strong turn out from the republicans, and the people who aren't Bush supporters feeling like there is no one offering an alternative. The Dems just go along with the Rebublicrats.For whatever reason, the republicans came out strong this cycle. I think part of it is the reactionary attitude of the nation from Sep 11. I think in the end, when the dust settles, people will want to focus in on ourselves and our problems. By then there will be a strong sentament for our cause.THC
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Comment #76 posted by canaman on November 05, 2002 at 21:19:27 PT

True FoM 
This issue is not going away. There has been more news coverage about cannabis then I can ever recall. Close to 2 million people have said it's time for a change. That can't be ignored. Our time will come. 
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Comment #75 posted by afterburner on November 05, 2002 at 21:16:51 PT:

Are Americans Still So Afraid of Terrorism?
Either the drug czar convinced people with his lies (are people really that tuned out and clueless?), or the voting machines are malfunctioning (what, in Florida again?) and working class voters were intimidated (political bullies in the Land of the Free?).I cannot believe people really want to jail more people over a plant. We need to do more informing. But rest first and don't obsess. Maybe those Dan and Stacey commercials actually worked, the new Ken and Barbie.At least San Francisco gets it. My sister gets the tax savings from not jailing people over medical issues. One by one people can learn to comprehend.ego destruction or ego transcendence, that is the question.
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Comment #74 posted by FoM on November 05, 2002 at 21:12:36 PT

Question
I know we are disappointed but we can't quit. We need to look at why the issues failed. Nevada can't be for the lack of money or effort so what is it? Hopefully we can come up with a few ideas and maybe we can see how to approach this in the future. The big conference this weekend will bring a lot of ideas our way. I do believe that young college students will have a powerful impact for reform because they often are the ones that go into politics. 
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Comment #73 posted by canaman on November 05, 2002 at 21:10:39 PT

Nevada 43%in we need a miracle
Marijuana Possession
updated: 11:54 p.m. No 178,523 62% Yes 110,473 38% 43% of precincts reporting 
 
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Comment #72 posted by canaman on November 05, 2002 at 21:05:16 PT

Nevada 36% in
Nevada Question 9:
Marijuana Possession
updated: 11:52 p.m. No 166,892 62% Yes 101,825 38% 36% of precincts reporting 
 
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Comment #71 posted by FoM on November 05, 2002 at 20:53:10 PT

Prop S is Leading So Far!
PROPOSITION S      YES . . . . . . . . . . . .  17,090  52.94      NO. . . . . . . . . . . . .  15,192  47.06http://www.ci.sf.ca.us/election/results1102/results.htm
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Comment #70 posted by BGreen on November 05, 2002 at 20:49:47 PT

I really hate this lame-ass country
I'm embarrassed to be an amerikan.
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Comment #69 posted by Patrick on November 05, 2002 at 20:41:55 PT

that i did apologies~
oops
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Comment #68 posted by canaman on November 05, 2002 at 20:41:10 PT

Patrick I think you posted AZ numbers
that's prop 203
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Comment #67 posted by Richard Lake on November 05, 2002 at 20:39:53 PT:

Nevada early results not good *sigh*
Nevada Question 9:Marijuana Possession
updated: 11:22 p.m. No 154,687 63% Yes 92,004 37% 31% of precincts reporting 
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Comment #66 posted by Patrick on November 05, 2002 at 20:38:15 PT

Number 9
Nevada Question 9: Marijuana Possession
   Yes 312,803 43% No 418,819 57% 71% of precincts reporting 
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Comment #65 posted by canaman on November 05, 2002 at 20:34:42 PT

Nev 31% reporting
Nevada Question 9:
Marijuana Possession
updated: 11:22 p.m. No 154,687 63% 
 
Yes 92,004 37% 31% of precincts reporting 
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Comment #64 posted by FoM on November 05, 2002 at 20:30:55 PT

Just My Feelings
I wasn't sure about any of the Initiatives except I believe the one in San Francisco will win. That's the only one I have felt positive about. I haven't found any results so far. I hope I'm right but lord knows I could be wrong. It boggles my mind to think that we are so backward in our thinking in this time we now live. This is 2002! Cannabis should have been legalized back in the late 70s! We will need to regroup and figure out how to make them listen. 
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Comment #63 posted by Patrick on November 05, 2002 at 20:30:49 PT

and another thing,
my candidate for congress isn't even listed on the list options for my district in California. Two guys running and the third party candidate doesn't even get his named mentioned. Just the damn republican I voted against. http://www.msnbc.com/m/d2002/g/state.asp?state=ca
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Comment #62 posted by Duzt on November 05, 2002 at 20:30:31 PT

elections??
One of two things is happening. Either Americans really are ignorant and are voting like this or the elections are fixed like they were when Bush lost, either way, Europe, here I come. This country has gone to hell, I give up.
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Comment #61 posted by canaman on November 05, 2002 at 20:30:11 PT

Nevada 16% reporting
Nevada Question 9:
Marijuana Possession
updated: 11:18 p.m. No 150,538 63% Yes 88,811 16% of precincts reporting 
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Comment #60 posted by canaman on November 05, 2002 at 20:26:53 PT

You got that right Patrick
When this count is done at least a couple million people will said it's time for a change!
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Comment #59 posted by Richard Lake on November 05, 2002 at 20:26:04 PT:

this sucks too - Arizona 302
PROPOSITION 302 PROBATION Yes 471,743 No 203,240 - 61.8% reportingNote that the results in NEVADA are ZERO reporting, much too early to tell what is happening.
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Comment #58 posted by firedog on November 05, 2002 at 20:26:03 PT

0% of precincts
I bet that 0% is from people who voted before today, which people can do in Nevada. I don't know for sure.
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Comment #57 posted by canaman on November 05, 2002 at 20:21:46 PT

CNN Nev Precincts not correct
Nevada Question 9: Marijuana Possession updated: 10:56 p.m. 
No 104,991 65% Yes 57,697 35% 0% of precincts reporting 

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Comment #56 posted by Patrick on November 05, 2002 at 20:19:53 PT

You know what?
We are all jumping around looking for a vote in favor of cannabis but the government made it illegal without a vote on our part. Seems a little unfair don't ya think. The %'s show that 1/3 of us still want some change. That at least is some good news.
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Comment #55 posted by The GCW on November 05, 2002 at 20:18:56 PT

NV is only showing less than 3,000 votes.
Keep trying that site at http://www.reviewjournal.com/db/election.results?track=98031029 it will work.
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Comment #54 posted by FoM on November 05, 2002 at 20:14:43 PT

Not Good - South Dakota Hemp
Initiative Industrial Hemp Last Updated: 10:47 PM EST 11/5 precincts reporting
206 of 844 (24.41%) 
 
Option Votes % of vote   No 46336 62.51%   Yes 27786 37.49% 
  

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Comment #53 posted by The GCW on November 05, 2002 at 20:13:13 PT

Not good in NV.
Nevada : Question - 9 Marijuana  No  
 
Votes:  1771  Yes  
 
Votes:  555 Total Votes: 2326
Precincts Reporting: 0 of 1672
Last Update: 08:00 PM 

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Comment #52 posted by FoM on November 05, 2002 at 20:10:53 PT

Patrick and Everyone
I posted the first results from the Las Vegas Review Journal and it doesn't look good. The web site is broken now or it was before I started typing this. I guess so many people trying to find out results crashed it or something. There is one more that I can't find any results on and that's San Francisco wanting to have their own garden. I need to check and see how it went in South Dakota and the non binding measures back east. We might not hear on them until tomorrow. I hope Nevada does a turn around.
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Comment #51 posted by canaman on November 05, 2002 at 20:10:41 PT

Nevada precincts not right
Nevada Question 9:
Marijuana Possession
updated: 10:56 p.m. No 104,991 65% Yes 57,697 35% 0% of precincts reporting 
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Comment #50 posted by firedog on November 05, 2002 at 20:07:50 PT

Still hope in Arizona
Often the smallest districts report first (which are usually rural and conservative-leaning). The urban districts (where most of our supporters are) often report last.It's 57% No / 43% Yes with just 56% of the precincts reporting. Let's hope the other 44% are urban areas!
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Comment #49 posted by Richard Lake on November 05, 2002 at 20:07:29 PT:

Things don't look too good so far.
Things don't look too good so far.South Dakota Amendment A (Jury Nullification) and Initiative 1 (Industrial Hemp): http://www.state.sd.us/sos/results/balquest.shtmlNevada Question 9 (Legalize possession of up to 3 ounces and license sales outlets -- Must pass again in 2004): http://www.reviewjournal.com/db/election.results?track=98031029Arizona Prop 302 (Make Drug punishments more harsh):
http://www.sosaz.com/results/2002/general/BM302.htmArizona Prop 203 (Decriminalize 1st and 2nd offense): http://www.sosaz.com/results/2002/general/BM203.htm
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Comment #48 posted by Patrick on November 05, 2002 at 20:03:57 PT

bummer
bummer all the way round for cannabis reform. the persecution continues..................
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Comment #47 posted by AlvinCool on November 05, 2002 at 20:01:32 PT

Crap
My apoligies. Arizona is losing at 57% with 56% of the vote in. I was looking at the wrong columnBAH
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Comment #46 posted by canaman on November 05, 2002 at 20:00:09 PT

Arizona not good
Arizona 203:
Medical Use of Marijuana
updated: 10:44 p.m. No 370,261 57% Yes 276,028 43% 56% of precincts reporting 
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Comment #45 posted by canaman on November 05, 2002 at 19:56:03 PT

Arizona
Arizona 203:
Medical Use of Marijuana
updated: 10:40 p.m. 
No 332,748 58% 
Yes 245,099 42% 
45% of precincts reporting 
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Comment #44 posted by AlvinCool on November 05, 2002 at 19:54:12 PT

Chat
Scroll to the bottom of the screen to enter text
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Comment #43 posted by Richard Lake on November 05, 2002 at 19:53:22 PT:

Suder sucks, wins
60% reportingLarry L. Osegard DEM 281Scott Suder REP 850
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Comment #42 posted by FoM on November 05, 2002 at 19:52:04 PT

Not Good in Nevada
Nevada : Question - 9 Marijuana  No  
 
Votes:  333  Yes  
 
Votes:  110 Total Votes: 443
Precincts Reporting: 0 of 1672
Last Update: 07:40 PM 

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Comment #41 posted by Hope on November 05, 2002 at 19:47:40 PT

Go Arizona!
Only 25% reporting but maybe we will hold our lead.

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Comment #40 posted by pokesmotter on November 05, 2002 at 19:47:35 PT:

drug sense chat?
i can go to the room but my text will not show up that i type??
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Comment #39 posted by Richard Lake on November 05, 2002 at 19:46:09 PT:

Arizona 203
Arizona 203: Medical Use of Marijuana updated: 10:28 p.m. No 220,865 60% - Yes 148,131 40% - 25% of precincts reporting 
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Comment #38 posted by FoM on November 05, 2002 at 19:45:31 PT

We're Losing in Arizona
That's a real shame.
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Comment #37 posted by Hope on November 05, 2002 at 19:45:00 PT

duh
I mean 57%...it's up to 63% reporting now...with same percentages.
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Comment #36 posted by AlvinCool on November 05, 2002 at 19:44:28 PT

Arizona
Arizona is coming in at 60% in favor with 27% of the vote in!!!
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Comment #35 posted by Had Enough on November 05, 2002 at 19:41:35 PT

Dole to Dole
Dole takes Carolina CNN
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Comment #34 posted by Hope on November 05, 2002 at 19:41:33 PT

Ohio
Maybe those 69% of precincts are tiny precincts. 
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Comment #33 posted by Richard Lake on November 05, 2002 at 19:38:05 PT:

Ohio Issue 1
Ohio Issue 1: Drug Policy Changes updated: 10:15 p.m. No 1,138,581 69% Yes 523,510 31% 57% of precincts reporting
HUGE crowd in the DrugSense Chat Room now!
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Comment #32 posted by FoM on November 05, 2002 at 19:36:55 PT

Hope
I'm sorry it didn't pass but I really never thought it would. People don't understand much about addiction and they don't know how to deal with it but they are beginning to understand the need to change the laws against Cannabis because everyone knows someone who has smoked and they see they aren't hard to handle or a threat to society. Some drug addicted people scare people. They do me and I think I'm undestanding about what drugs can do and how it can make a person scary. Society just doesn't understand.
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Comment #31 posted by Had Enough on November 05, 2002 at 19:35:22 PT

Between the Bushes
Bush takes Florida CNN
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Comment #30 posted by Hope on November 05, 2002 at 19:33:09 PT

then again
Maybe that was percentages based on not many votes!

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Comment #29 posted by Hope on November 05, 2002 at 19:21:52 PT

:-( 
I guess Hope Taft is pleased. I'd like to be a good loser...but this just means more unnecessary suffering.
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Comment #28 posted by pokesmotter on November 05, 2002 at 19:10:12 PT:

anxious in illinois
i am sitting here in my dorm very anxious to see how the voting goes on Q9 as well as the governor race here. i hope everyone in nevada pro-pot went out and voted today.
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Comment #27 posted by FoM on November 05, 2002 at 19:07:36 PT

Ohio Rejects Drug Treatment Measure
Wednesday November 6, 2002 In a rebuff to the national drug-reform movement, Ohio voters Tuesday defeated a measure that would have forced judges to order treatment instead of jail for many drug offenders. Complete Article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-2147863,00.html
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Comment #26 posted by Patrick on November 05, 2002 at 19:01:15 PT

thanks canaman
MSNBC is reporting Nevada poll closes at 7pm PST 10 minutes!!!
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Comment #25 posted by Hope on November 05, 2002 at 18:59:25 PT

Easy chat room to use....three there now...I think
http://www.drugsense.org/chat/
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Comment #24 posted by FoM on November 05, 2002 at 18:59:01 PT

Hope
Thanks Hope. I need to keep looking for news but tell everyone hello from me. I hope I can get a chat just for C News someday soon. That would be very nice. 
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Comment #23 posted by Hope on November 05, 2002 at 18:57:14 PT

hand holding room
http://www.drugsense.org/chat/
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Comment #22 posted by FoM on November 05, 2002 at 18:56:34 PT

Ohio
My that is terrible. People are confused about drug treatment. I know I don't understand it. If it wasn't forced treatment then I'd understand. You can't help anyone until they want to help themselves I believe.
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Comment #21 posted by canaman on November 05, 2002 at 18:56:29 PT

Patrick I believe Nevada Polls close at 8pmPT
which is about 1hr and 15 min from now
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Comment #20 posted by AlvinCool on November 05, 2002 at 18:54:11 PT

Drugsense.org
Come on over to Drugsense.org and join the chat
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Comment #19 posted by Patrick on November 05, 2002 at 18:47:10 PT

Thanks for the CNN link!
Ohio looks like it may go down in flames. I see that the only independent candidate in Ohio seems to be James Traficant and he is running his campaign from JAIL. Oh great.

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Comment #18 posted by FoM on November 05, 2002 at 18:46:59 PT

Post on This Thread
If you want to talk we don't have a chat ( I want one but I don't know how to get one ) but please post on this thread if you like. I've asked more then once about a chat for C News but don't get any answers so I stopped asking.We voted for the Initiative even though it seemed vague but it was better then nothing. Maybe they will think more about Cannabis next year seeing that the fire seems to be for Cannabis Reform.PS: Anyone that knows how to make a good chat room and wants to help please let me know.
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Comment #17 posted by Hope on November 05, 2002 at 18:42:42 PT

chat
no one at Drugsense Chat for some reason
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Comment #16 posted by Alvincool on November 05, 2002 at 18:38:09 PT

CNN
Go the the CNN site that FOM posted earlierhttp://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2002/pages/ballot/index.html
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Comment #15 posted by Patrick on November 05, 2002 at 18:36:19 PT

Ohio?
the following site hasn't posted ohio yet:http://www.msnbc.com/m/d2002/g/state.asp?state=oh???
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Comment #14 posted by Had Enough on November 05, 2002 at 18:31:20 PT

Waiting with Anticipation
Anticipation, It’s keeping me waiting.Question 9Yes 60% +FoM Hang in there, be cool.

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Comment #13 posted by AlvinCool on November 05, 2002 at 18:29:51 PT

Chat
Any chat available that we can sit in while election returns flow by?Ohio returns are coming in. Early results are down about 65% against :(
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Comment #12 posted by Patrick on November 05, 2002 at 18:29:41 PT

Nevada Polls Closed?
Anyone know what time the Nevada polls close so we can see the results?
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Comment #11 posted by FoM on November 05, 2002 at 18:25:01 PT

Thanks mayan
I've been looking all over for news on Issue 1 and the treatment Initiative in D.C. but haven't found anything so far. It's going to be a late night. Better put on a pot of coffee! It looks like Hagan is going to lose to Taft. Bummer. I'm really interested in the initiatives though because that is what matters to me and most of us. 
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Comment #10 posted by mayan on November 05, 2002 at 18:15:27 PT

FoM...
I read about the Voter News Service exit polls. Maybe they weren't getting the results they wanted? I was watching "Washington Journal" on C-SPAN this morning & the host was asking the callers who they were voting for. I heard only one caller say he was voting for a Republican. Granted, C-SPAN generally attracts more left-leaning individuals, but the disparity this morning was incredible! Many who considered themselves Republicans were going to vote third-party or Democrat. A quarter of a million people in D.C. protested a "possible" war with Iraq & the mainstream media didn't touch it or they said the turnout was in the thousands. Now they are saying all of these races are going to be close & we may not know the results for days or weeks? I'm afraid it may soon be time to take to the streets. We must take our country back!!!FLORIDA TALKSHOW CALLERS CLAIM MACHINES 'BROKEN', VOTED FOR MCBRIDE, MARKED IT AS BUSH:
http://www.drudgereport.com/vote1.htmMASSIVE POLLING FRAUD UNDERWAY IN FLORIDA:
http://www.voxnyc.com/archives/00000043.htmWho makes the vote-counting machines?
http://www.talion.com/election-machines.htmlVote Machine company run by candidates campaign treasurer!
http://www.talion.com/Hagel.htmlRepublicans marshal "poll watchers" to intimidate Democratic voters:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/nov2002/poll-n04.shtmlCONTROVERSY GREETS EARLY VOTING
http://www.pbcommercial.com/archives/index.inn?loc=detail&doc=/2002/October/22-2390-NEWS1.TXTBogus Kirk phone message circulating
http://www.austin360.com/aas/news/110502/1105calls.htmlVote Watch - A Repository for Voter Complaints: 
http://www.votewatch.us/
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Comment #9 posted by FoM on November 05, 2002 at 18:03:37 PT

Las Vegas Review Journal Voting Results Here
I thought while I'm waiting to hear anything on Issue 1 in Ohio I'd look for more info and this paper has been are most friendly Nevada paper and I thought you'd like to check this out when they start posting results.http://www.reviewjournal.com/db/election.results?track=98031029
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Comment #8 posted by FoM on November 05, 2002 at 17:23:42 PT

CNN Results Will Be Here
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2002/pages/ballot/index.html
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Comment #7 posted by FoM on November 05, 2002 at 16:51:11 PT

Alvin Cool
Thank you for the link. Nothing yet even on the east coast and they don't have any exit poll results because of a computer glitch I read.So much for technology! LOL!
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Comment #6 posted by AlvinCool on November 05, 2002 at 16:33:55 PT

Ballot Totals
NBC is going to include ballot totals in their coverage the Nevada measures can be accessed at http://www.msnbc.com/m/d2002/g/state.asp?state=NV#ballot
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Comment #5 posted by afterburner on November 05, 2002 at 16:26:14 PT:

Wanted: 7000 Billionaires!
I guess we need 7000 Billionaires to get their attention. It's funny how they don't criticize the Billionaires that lobby Congress to pass environmentally-destructive and freedom-squelching laws.ego destruction or ego transcendence, that is the question.Get Up Stand Up. Stand Up for your right. Get Up Stand Up. Don't give up the fight. Life is your right, so we can't give up the fight," Bob Marley and Peter Tosh.
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Comment #4 posted by Sam Adams on November 05, 2002 at 15:09:16 PT

Great article
but I find it interesting that the entire reform movement is now consistently referred to as "The Big Three". The involvement of the Big Three is the result of 30 years of grassroots activism that finally advanced the movement to the point where these guys put money in. MPP and NORML each have 7,000 dues paying members and professionals who have devoted their careers to reform. And those organizations are dwarfed by dozens of other state and local groups across the US.The Big Three are off on their yachts somewhere. We're becoming a nation of Kings. Only the ultra-rich matter, the rest of us are serfs toiling in obscurity - the unimportant, the untouchables.  It's a disturbing trend.
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Comment #3 posted by The C-I-R-C-L-E on November 05, 2002 at 14:28:06 PT

Wow-can it be that the truth is getting out there?
So much to comment on, I'll leave some to the other online activists..."Attorney General Ashcroft is not stupid; he understands that if society changes its mind on medical marijuana, then it sets the table for a completely different discussion about marijuana and changes the debate about drug prohibition," Stupid? Maybe not. But he sure doesn't understand that society IS ALLOWED to change it's mind and as a result he needs to get out of the way or he will be forced out of the way."Coincidentally, Thomas was the justice Ashcroft chose to swear him in as attorney general. "And coincidentally, the ONLY supreme court justice who has used, or admitted to using, marijuana.
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Comment #2 posted by FoM on November 05, 2002 at 13:42:59 PT

Correct Link To Article
http://www.drugwar.com/zeesejourneydc.shtm
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Comment #1 posted by FoM on November 05, 2002 at 13:39:06 PT

DrugWar.com article on The Journey for Justice
Activism Against the US Drug Gulag GrowsJourney for Justice Comes to Washington, DC By Kevin B. ZeesePresident of Common Sense for Drug Policy -- 
http://www.www.csdp.orgNora Callahan- Executive Director of the November Coalition Nov. 5, 2002"If George W. Bush is good enough for the White House, my brother is good enough for my house," proclaimed Nora Callahan of the November Coalition at the Journey for Justice demonstration at the White House on November 1, 2002. She was urging the release of her brother who is serving a 27-year drug offense sentence of which he has served 14 years.Approximately 50 demonstrators highlighted the racism and hypocrisy of the drug war by placing 20 cardboard cutouts in front of the White House. Four of the figurines were of Presidents Bush and Clinton, Vice President Gore and Speaker Gingrich - highlighting their past drug use. Six figurines described the stories of twelve children of politicians who got caught and received gentle treatment by the justice system. And, ten of the figurines were a life-sized bar graph of the prison population - six black, two brown and two white with facts and figures about the drug gulag. The dark colors of the real prison population contrasted with the all-white make-up of the elites who avoid the drug war treatment despite their drug use.Complete Article: http://www.drugwar.com/index.shtm

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