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Nevada's Unfortunate Drug Initiative
Posted by CN Staff on October 15, 2002 at 15:17:35 PT
By John Hughes
Source: Christian Science Monitor 
The good citizens of Nevada are about to make a decision which, if they vote the wrong way, has risky consequences for their state, and possibly significant consequences for the country at large. They are being asked to vote on a ballot initiative which would legalize the possession of marijuana.Nevada already has legalized gambling and prostitution, and the state legislature moved last year to decriminalize marijuana, making possession of an ounce or less of the drug a misdemeanor instead of a felony.
Now the pro-marijuana forces want to go the extra step, from decriminalization to legalization.Fortunately, the outcome is not foregone. Though voters earlier this year seemed to be evenly split on the issue, latest polls suggest the opponents of the proposal are gaining ground over the supporters. The shift comes after a major outcry against the proposal from law-enforcement officers.If the pro-pot forces prevail, it would set a bad precedent for other American states and undercut US international drug interdiction efforts. How can Washington prevail on other countries to crack down on drug shipments to the US if a hitherto illegal drug like marijuana is now legal within US borders?Much of the drug flow comes from Mexico and the south. But even such a usually intelligent country as Canada is considering decriminalizing marijuana. That sends shivers up the spines of drug-enforcement officials in Washington. The Bush administration's drug czar, John Walters, hopes the Canadian government "does not head down the risky path of decriminalization or legalization." The US, he says, has learned through hard experience that marijuana is a dangerous drug with serious public health and social consequences.Indeed, decriminalization of marijuana in Canada could lead US lawmakers to tighten border controls. Indiana Republican Representative Mark Souder told the Toronto Globe and Mail last week it would likely cause the Bush administration and Congress to take tougher measures to prevent illegal drugs moving from Canada into the US. That might slow down border traffic. Souder is chairman of the House subcommittee on criminal justice, drug policy, and human resources.The pro-marijuana forces will of course scoff at all this, suggesting that marijuana is merely a "recreational" drug without harmful effects, and does nothing like the damage inflicted by heroin, cocaine, methamphetamine, and the new range of synthetic drugs used at "rave" parties that now go beyond Ecstasy to include DXM, AMT, 2-CB, ketamine, Oxy-Contin, and nitrous oxide.I have a special point of view about all this, for some 30 years ago as a correspondent for The Christian Science Monitor, I was dispatched on a major investigation of international narcotics traffic. For five months I traveled around the world, probing the seedy world of drug production, trafficking, and use. I checked out illegal opium production in Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Thailand, and heroin labs in Marseilles and Mexico. I could have bought cocaine in Beirut and heroin in Hong Kong. I could have bought hashish and marijuana as easily as toothpaste throughout much of Asia, the Middle East, and parts of Mexico. Marijuana grew untended like a weed in dozens of countries.The ultimate end of drug usage was often widespread misery. It ranged from family breakups, to suicide, to American hippies found guilty of drug possession and tossed into Middle Eastern jails that were such hellholes that they bribed their way into mental institutions for better treatment.In the course of this investigation I worked with many longtime drug enforcement agents. One of the most chilling comments came from one undercover US agent in Lebanon. "I can't say that everyone who starts on marijuana ends up on the hard stuff," he told me. "But I can say that in all my years in this work, I never met an addict on the hard stuff who didn't start on pot."I wound up my investigation in Geneva, talking to a seasoned narcotics expert at the European headquarters of the United Nations. "Programs to cut back drugs are important, but this is cops-and-robbers stuff," he said reflectively. "It all ends up with the user, the addict." The crux of the problem, he suggested, was the education and regeneration of the user – and perhaps of the society that contributes to the user's degradation.Thirty years later, I am not cheered by the progress we have made in this area. It would be too bad if a state like Nevada makes a decision that endorses, rather than discourages, drug usage.• John Hughes, editor and chief operating officer of the Deseret News, is a former editor of the Monitor.Source: Christian Science Monitor (US)Author: John HughesPublished: October 16, 2002 EditionCopyright: 2002 The Christian Science Publishing SocietyContact: oped csps.comWebsite: http://www.csmonitor.com/Related Articles & Web Sites:NRLEhttp://www.nrle.org/Marijuana Policy Projecthttp://www.mpp.org/Number of Joints Possible with 3 Ounces Debatedhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread14462.shtmlQuestion 9: Figures Hazy, Ad Sayshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread14460.shtmlCanada's Pot Proposal Worries UShttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread14459.shtml
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Comment #18 posted by JR Bob Dobbs on October 16, 2002 at 17:07:04 PT
23 hours later, as promised, my LTE
Sirs,  John Hughes bemoans the fact that Nevada is considering moving past decriminalization of marijuana to outright legalization. Why? Decriminalization still forces police officers to spend man-hours fighting against a plant and the culture which surrounds it. Decriminalization leaves the control of manufacture and distribution, as well as the enormous black-market profits, in the hands of criminals and (if you believe the drug czar's taxpayer-funded media campaign) possibly even terrorists. The black market has no qualms about selling marijuana to children, or even turning children into marijuana salespeople. If marijuana were legal, police would be able to spend more time fighting dangerous criminals, and marijuana smokers would stop seeing the police as their enemy. The black market profiteers would no longer be in business, and that money would go to legitimate business owners and tax coffers. Children would also find it much harder to buy marijuana.  He quotes a US drug agent as saying, "I can't say that everyone who starts on marijuana ends up on the hard stuff. But I can say that in all my years in this work, I never met an addict on the hard stuff who didn't start on pot." There are two things to consider here. First of all, most hard drug addicts have previously drank alcohol, smoked cigarettes, and eaten at McDonalds. Yet these are never blamed for being a "gateway". Second, if there is a gateway effect from marijuana to hard drugs, it is in place because of the laws which force people to go to criminals to obtain marijuana. Nobody who buys beer has to worry about the liquor store clerk offering them heroin.  If decades of the drug war have taught us anything, it is that marijuana is not going to go away. What we can get rid of are the laws which make the situation much, much worse.
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Comment #17 posted by John Tyler on October 16, 2002 at 09:07:12 PT
Prohibition
Looks to me like prohibition has caused the misery John Hughes now decries. Prohibition has caused the crime, etc. A sensible approach needs to be taken, not this prohibition maddness.
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Comment #16 posted by DdC on October 15, 2002 at 22:52:37 PT
Tight Like That Gage...
Tight Like That Gage By Louis Armstrong Speaking of 1931 - we did call ourselves Vipers, which could have been anybody from all walks of life that smoked and respected gage. That was our cute little name for marijuana, and it was a misdemeanor in those days. Much different from the pressure and charges the law lays on a guy who smokes pot - a later name for the same thing which is cute to hear nowadays. We always looked at pot as a sort of medicine, a cheap drunk and with much better thoughts than one that's full of liquor. But with the penalties that came, I for one had to put it down though the respect for it (gage) will stay with me forever. I have every reason to say these words and am proud to say them. From experience...Continued...
http://pub3.ezboard.com/fendingcannabisprohibitionstuff.showMessage?topicID=110.topicIn 1930 one year after Louis Armstrong recorded Muggles (read: Marijuana) he was arrested for a marijuana cigarette in Los Angeles, California, and put in jail for 10 days until he agreed to leave California and not return for two years.PREJUDICE: MARIJUANA AND THE JIM CROW LAWS
http://pub3.ezboard.com/fendingcannabisprohibitionwhyitstimetolegalize.showMessage?topicID=231.topicJohn Sinclair was in rare form reveling in the High Priest role. "Pops gave us the solo", he told me. "But Mezz gave us the nickle bag." Mezz Mezzrow and Louis Armstrong are the newest inductees into the HIGH TIMES Cannabis Hall of Fame.
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Comment #15 posted by Sam Adams on October 15, 2002 at 21:15:21 PT
Save it, pal
You know, all this is fine and good for other Christian Science members. But keep your superstitious beliefs AWAY from state laws, which apply to all.Aren't these people the freaks that deny medical care to babies & such?
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Comment #14 posted by afterburner on October 15, 2002 at 20:49:23 PT:
Satchmo Blows His Horn Again
"It really puzzles me to see marijuana connected with narcotics... dope and all that crap... it's a thousand times better than whiskey - it's an assistant - a friend."
- Louis Armstrong - Satchmo.net • The Official Site of the Louis Armstrong House & ... http://www.satchmo.net/
new orleans music at www.satchmo.com - birthplace of jazz and the ... 
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Comment #13 posted by p4me on October 15, 2002 at 19:20:04 PT
Glad to see the CSM wants to add to the trash
We would not want anyone to get real with the American public all at once. This article says marijuana and the next thing you know they switch to drugs. I have knowingly cut the length of my fuse on this stupidity. A long fuse means just more burning before I disregard the nonsense these people spew.But on the subject of drugs, or more rightly, the issue of drug-abuse, there is no real discussion. This automatically leads even a semi-intellectual to go to the top of the list where tobacco and alcohol reside. Now if anyone were really concerned about drug abuse, T&A is the only logical place to start. But, there is no logic in the government's policy. It is all about propaganda directed at the remaining believers created by a lifetime of repeated and repeated-again demonization, while all the while ignoring the elephant and gorilla in the room while the propagandist plot.Who can even name the Surgeon General. Why isn't the Surgeon General making twin appearances with our lying public servant, Wee Wee Walters? Well, he might have to talk sensibly. Of course he won't mention masturbation. It got Joycelyn Elders fired in 1994. They did not even have a Surgeon General until David Sacher was sworn in on Friday the 13th in February,1998. The office lay vacant after his four-year term expired until Richard Carmona was sworn in 8/5/2002.I don't know that he has done anything to improve the public health. He sure hasn't made any press releases that have drawn my attention to the problems of alcohol or tobacco. The whole thing is a bunch of crap. The government pisses away money to brainwash people and won't even have the Surgeon General do Oprah that would not cost the taxpayer's anything. Oprah may even pay for the airline ticket and room with eats.I feel more and more that some top ranking officials need a terminal introduction to a hemp rope and that is the way I feel for real. This is all treason to a reasonable government and I really think someone should hang. Really. I think Wee Wee would be a good start.1
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Comment #12 posted by karkulus on October 15, 2002 at 19:09:11 PT
"Christian science" is to Christianity what
"space camp" is to being on the shuttle.
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Comment #11 posted by Nuevo Mexican on October 15, 2002 at 19:00:44 PT
I'm collecting from business owners....
and making one large donation, hopefully for hundreds of dollars, as I have people pledging $25, $50 at least. This vote will be the last death knell of prohibition, we have to do everything we can, and the sooner the better! C-Newsers are a huge inspiration for me so thank you! Flashback:
Does anyone remember that Asa's debate with Johnson was......Sept. 10th! And only a week after Tom and Rollie were executed by the FBI. HMMMMMMM.....prohibition=covert support for state-sponsored terrorism! Lets continue to hammer on the direct link between the two, as most people can see it easily, once pointed out. 
Now is the time to donate.
http://www.nrle.org 
Peace! NM
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Comment #10 posted by JR Bob Dobbs on October 15, 2002 at 18:56:25 PT
Noelle Bush hearing can't be closed to public
Off topic (don't worry, I'll get to a nicely worded LTE on this article before the next 24 hours pass, unless John Walters goes on a major speaking tour or something.)A judge has just ruled a drug court is the same as a criminal court and can't be closed for privacy:http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=533&u=/ap/20021015/ap_on_re_us/jeb_bush_s_daughter&printer=1My favorite paragraph is at the end:"I see pictures of her when she was 3 or 4 four years old and I vividly remember that," [Jeb] Bush said. "But now she's 25 and the laws apply to her as they apply to anyone else. I just hope the laws apply to her like anybody else."Yep, now that she's hurting your chances at the polls, throw her to the ugly machine you helped create. November 6th, win or lose, it's back to preferred citizen status.
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Comment #9 posted by mayan on October 15, 2002 at 18:32:41 PT
Squirming!!!
"Fortunately, the outcome is not foregone. Though voters earlier this year seemed to be evenly split on the issue, latest polls suggest the opponents of the proposal are gaining ground over the supporters. The shift comes after a major outcry against the proposal from law-enforcement officers."Mr. Hughes conveniently fails to mention what poll he is referring to! He must be referring to the outdated Sept.1st poll(I forget by whom)which showed the opponents of Question 9 ahead by a narrow margin. Every poll I have seen since then has it in a dead-heat or the proponents ahead. If these bone-heads really want to find the best policy regarding marijuana laws, why won't they consider Nevada's Question 9 an experiment? If it passes & turns out to be a disaster then voters in other states will not pass similar laws. But the antis know it will be a great success & everyone will see that they were lying all along. The antis are squirming & are being forced to bring out the big guns on this one. If Question 9 passes, what is left of their credibility is forever lost. I love it!!! unrelated -Plastic explosive clue in Bali bombing(U.S. made?):
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2329189.stmIndonesian anger at FBI investigation:
http://www.news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=1139392002CIA warned of Bali attack 14 days before:
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/10/16/1034561164432.htmlTHE PEOPLE'S INVESTIGATION OF 9-11:
http://www.911pi.com/ 
 
Bush Doubted on 9/11 Panel:Lawmakers Say He Doesn't Want New Commission - 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14635-2002Oct11.html
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Comment #8 posted by The GCW on October 15, 2002 at 18:21:17 PT
Yeah, What He said...
Let's face it, after 70 years of marijuana prohibition pigheadedness, it is still in vogue today. The people have spoken and they're still tokin'. Malcolm G. Ratcliffe http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v02/n1924/a02.html?397 THE DOPE ON DOPE 
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Comment #7 posted by Kevin Hebert on October 15, 2002 at 17:42:25 PT:
My Response to the Christian Science Monitor
Dear Editors:John Hughes' column regarding the marijuana initiative in Nevada perpetuates a common myth regarding drug law reform efforts. Hughes cites his extensive personal observation of drug use around the world. He then writes that the initiative in Nevada promotes and will in fact increase 
such use. There are two mistakes with this analysis.The first mistake is assuming that the initiative will affect drug use. The proposal is to stop putting people in jail for using a substance found virtually harmless in hundreds of scientific studies. This will allow law 
enforcement efforts to focus on crimes such as murder, rape, and robbery. The proposal also would end the lucrative black market created by illegal marijuana. Sale of marijuana in state-regulated, licensed shops 
would both provide revenue to the state coffers as well as decrease the ability of minors to buy marijuana. Actual use could actually decrease, as was the case in Holland when marijuana was decriminalized.The second mistake is to assume that the current situation is contributing in any meaningful way to reducing drug use. Drug use is endemic everywhere in American society. By criminalizing the problem, we put the most vulnerable members of our society at the mercy of criminals. These 
criminals become incredibly wealthy in the process and can elude the police for years. The drug war is a waste of law enforcement resources at a time when we can't afford to squander any. Drug prohibition causes problems, it doesn't solve them. The Nevada marijuana initiative does not endorse drug use, as 
John Hughes claims. It is intended to restore freedom to responsible adult marijuana users and to eliminate the black market that makes marijuana worth more than gold. Ending drug addiction would be a wonderful accomplishment. Criminalizing drugs has not achieved this goal, however. I applaude the voters of Nevada who courageously vote to end the status quo, and make progress in ending our hopeless War on Drugs.					Sincerely,
					Kevin M. Hebert
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Comment #6 posted by DdC on October 15, 2002 at 17:33:41 PT
From Whom Do the Fascists Get Support?
"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the
leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked,
and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to
danger."
Reichsmarschall Hermann Goering, Nazi Air Force (Luftwaffe) commander,
the Nuremberg Trials "Terrorist operatives infiltrate our communities, plotting, planning and waiting
to kill again....To those who scare peace loving people with phantoms of lost
liberty, my message is this: your tactics only aid terrorists."
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from German industrial giant I.G. Farben Corporation. The patent license is
obtained as part Germany's reparation payments to the United States after
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gas, used in Nazi death camps to murder millions of Jews (along with many
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utmost to advance the Nazi war effort, sharing military industrial secrets and
engaging in secret transactions with the Nazi government, even after the United
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who rescued Italy from anarchy and radicalism. "I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me
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era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money-power of the
country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of
the people until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is
destroyed."
Abraham Lincoln, November 12, 1864, In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty, He is
always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection
to his own.
Thomas Jefferson, 1814 "The struggle between the two worlds [Fascism and Democracy] can permit
no compromises.
It's either Us or Them!"
Benito Mussolini Address, from Palazzo Venezia balcony October 27, 1930 "The German people have no idea of the extent to which they have to be gulled
in order to be led." "The size of the lie is a definite factor in causing it to be believed, for the vast
masses of the nation are in the depths of their hearts more easily deceived than
they are consciously and intentionally bad. The primitive simplicity of their
minds renders them a more easy prey to a big lie than a small one, for they
themselves often tell little lies but would be ashamed to tell a big one."
From Benito Mussolini contributing to the "London Sunday Express,"
December 8, 1935 "How many murders, suicides, robberies, criminal assaults, holdups, burglaries
and deeds of maniacal insanity it causes each year, especially among the
young, can only be conjectured...No one knows, when he places a marijuana
cigarette to his lips, whether he will become a joyous reveller in a musical
heaven, a mad insensate, a calm philosopher, or a murderer..."
HARRY J ANSLINGER
Commissioner of the US Bureau of Narcotics 1930 1962 "All propaganda must be so popular and on such an intellectual level, that even
the most stupid of those towards whom it is directed will understand it.
Therefore, the intellectual level of the propaganda must be lower the larger the
number of people who are to be influenced by it." "Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made
to see paradise as hell, and also the other way around, to consider the most
wretched sort of life as paradise."
From Benito Mussolini contributing to the "London Sunday Express,"
December 8, 1935 "There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes,
Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz and swing,
result from marijuana usage. This marijuana causes white women to seek
sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers and any others."
Harry Anslinger, U.S. Commissioner of Narcotics, testifying to Congress on
why marijuana should be made illegal, 1937.
(Marijuana Tax Act, signed Aug. 2, 1937; effective Oct. 1, 1937.) "The masses have little time to think. And how incredible is the willingness of
modern man to believe." "Another weapon I discovered early was the power of the printed word to
sway souls to me. The newspaper was soon my gun, my flag - a thing with a
soul that could mirror my own."
Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini together in the heyday of 1930s fascism. "A violently active, intrepid, brutal youth that is what I am after...
I will have no intellectual training. Knowledge is ruin for my young men."
Adolf Hitler quoted by John Gunther "The Nation" "Because Fascism is a lie, it is condemned to literary sterility. And when it is
past, it will have no history, except the bloody history of murder." - Ernest
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is reached when it becomes a cloak for the cowardice that dares not stand up
against blatant violations of justice. A state that supresses all freedom of
speech, and which by imposing the most terrible punishments, treats each and
every attempt at criticism, however morally justified, and every suggestion for
improvement as plotting to high treason, is a state that breaks an unwritten
law."
- Kurt Huber [The head of White Rose], killed by the Nazis in 1943. "They that start by burning books will end by burning men."
(German) "Dort, wo man Bźcher verbrennt, verbrennt man am Ende auch
Menschen."
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Comment #5 posted by tlspn on October 15, 2002 at 16:46:35 PT:
Golisano off topic 
On ABC tv Mr. Golisano,who is running for governor of NY, just endorsed Medical Marijuana!t
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Comment #4 posted by Had Enough on October 15, 2002 at 16:37:37 PT
Enough Said
“The good citizens of Nevada are about to make a decision which, if they vote the wrong way, has risky consequences for their state, and possibly significant consequences for the country at large. They are being asked to vote on a ballot initiative which would legalize the possession of marijuana.”Is this where the article should’ve ended?VOTE VOTE VOTEDo not forget our friends at http://www.nrle.org They are serious and are doing a professional job. They need money, a lot of it and now. Send them anything. Every bit helps. The time is here to do our part.Nevada is taking a big step for man and huge gigantic leaps and bounds for mankind.
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Comment #3 posted by The GCW on October 15, 2002 at 16:04:32 PT
Poor darlings.
"Nevada's Unfortunate Drug Initiative", if passed is going to restrict how much a person can persecute others for using a plant. It will take away Your privilege of caging humans for using cannabis. Then You will live in a world of restrictions.Poor poor prohibitionists.
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Comment #2 posted by afterburner on October 15, 2002 at 15:49:40 PT:
Gateway Fallacy
"I never met an addict on the hard stuff who didn't start on pot."Yes, and before that was water or mother's milk. This is a logical fallacy. Previous behavior does not prove causation. What about the majority who use pot and do not bother with hard drugs? Cannabis is not a gateway: read the Nolin Senate report. If there is a gateway, it is the street, enabled by prohibition.
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Comment #1 posted by druid on October 15, 2002 at 15:48:10 PT:
whatever
In the course of this investigation I worked with many longtime drug enforcement agents. One of the most chilling comments came from one undercover US agent in Lebanon. "I can't say that everyone who starts on marijuana ends up on the hard stuff," he told me. "But I can say that in all my years in this work, I never met an addict on the hard stuff who didn't start on pot."
I am sick of hearing the gateway theory. Everyone with half a brain knows it isn't true. It's pseudoscience at its greatest. Everyone that ends up on the hard stuff also started drinking water. blah blah blah.If someone has an underlying problem and something they do exacerbates that problem is it the fault of the person, the greater problem or the something that exacerbated the problem? A lot of people are on a crash course for disaster and they will do anything and everything to help them in their downfall. Obviously pot is too mild for someone that is really looking for a big escape from reality to really like. I mean pot makes you look at your problems from a different view and that's not what some people want. Some people just want the French Foreign Legion. to forget. to forget. to forget. I am rambling but I just really despise the gateway theory. I have been using cannabis for almost 20 years now. I experimented with other harder drugs that's for sure but I didn't like them(except the hallucinogens but that's a different story)and I was looking for a means of escape. I didn't try those things because I smoked pot. I tried those other drugs due to a number of factors one of them being the prohibition of cannabis causing someone to push something more addictive on me and the belief that if I pot really wasn't as bad as THEY say then the rest of what THEY say must be a lie also so what the hell might as well experiment a little. I didn't continue to do them and I haven't used any of them for quite a number of years. I do thank God that I didn't fall into the hands of addiction (except for with alcohol and tobacco) like so many other poor souls in the world.I totally believe that if there are any gateway drug) then those drugs are Alcohol and Tobacco. I never met a drug user who didn't start with one of those 2 substances.
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