cannabisnews.com: Question 9 Opponents Rally Against Marijuana
Question 9 Opponents Rally Against Marijuana
Posted by CN Staff on September 28, 2002 at 08:26:44 PT
By J.M. Kalil, Review-Journal
Source: Las Vegas Review-Journal
Making it legal to possess up to 3 ounces of marijuana would transform Las Vegas into a haven for potheads, said one of several Question 9 opponents who rallied campaigners Friday. "We will have nothing but a continuous, 24-7 Grateful Dead concert here," Las Vegas Deputy Police Chief Bill Young told an applauding crowd of volunteers who are campaigning against the ballot measure that would ease Nevada's marijuana laws.
At an event that at times resembled a high school pep rally, opponents of Question 9 clapped frequently as they heard fiery anti-marijuana comments from speakers who said passage of the measure would erode public safety as well as Nevada's overall quality of life. The battle over the ballot initiative that would give Nevada the most liberal marijuana laws in the United States is becoming increasingly nasty in its tone. Activists on both sides of an issue being watched nationally began slinging serious mud Friday, calling each other liars misrepresenting the effects Question 9 would have on Nevada. With the election less than seven weeks away, pro- and anti-initiative lobbyists expressed little surprise Friday that their campaigns were now teeming with hot-blooded personal attacks. "We're not a bunch of robots. It's a very emotional issue," said STOP DUI Executive Director Sandy Heverly, one of several members of the newly formed Nevadans Against Legalizing Marijuana. "It's something we can't distance ourselves from, because we feel like we're all going to pay for it if it passes. I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't become more heated." At the rally inside Elks Lodge No. 1468, Clark County prosecutor Gary Booker told about 75 fellow anti-initiative campaigners that passage of the ballot question would harm all Nevadans with negative social effects, such as increasing children's access to marijuana. He accused the group backing the measure, Nevadans for Responsible Law Enforcement, of lying about the nature of the initiative to get more than 100,000 residents to sign the petition that landed it on the November ballot. Booker said the NRLE is financed by "rich fat cat guys back East" who want to use Nevada as the laboratory for a drug legalization experiment. "Go sell drugs in your own neighborhood. We don't want them here," Booker said before urging NRLE spokesman Billy Rogers, a Texas native, to leave the state. "If Mr. Rogers thinks this is such a great idea, why doesn't Mr. Rogers go back to Mr. Rogers' neighborhood in Texas and pass this?" If Nevada voters pass Question 9 in November and again in two years, people 21 and older will be able to legally possess up to 3 ounces of marijuana in their home, but not in vehicles or public places. Use of the drug by minors also would remain illegal, as would driving under the influence of marijuana. The drug also would be sold in state-licensed smoke shops and taxed. Currently, possession of 1 ounce or less or marijuana in Nevada is a misdemeanor subject to a $600 fine for the first two offenses. In response to Booker's statements, Rogers said Booker has frequently misled the public about the implications of the initiative, including a blunder earlier this week in which he incorrectly stated during a televised debate that medical marijuana patients have access to marijuana seeds through the state Agriculture Division. Many Question 9 backers say a flaw in the medical marijuana law passed last year results in patients being forced to buy the drug illegally from street dealers. Rogers also said a recent legal opinion by Las Vegas attorney JoNell Thomas contradicts Booker's assertion that passage of the initiative would nullify current state laws that prohibit driving under the influence of marijuana. Thomas concluded that those statutes would be unaffected by the initiative's passage. "They will say anything. They're desperate," Rogers said. "Gary Booker has a long record in this short campaign of not telling the truth and just making things up. He's a district attorney, in a position of authority and people trust what he says, but it's simply not true." In a speech at the rally, Sheriff Jerry Keller said passing the measure would result in a "public safety nightmare" in Las Vegas. Other speakers at Friday's rally made Biblical allusions in describing their battle against what they view as a well-financed group run by non-Nevadans jamming drug decriminalization through the Silver State. Heverly compared the NRLE to a Goliath pouring giant sums of cash into Nevada to campaign for passage of the initiative. But Heverly, clutching a slingshot in her hands, said Nevada has 1,000 Davids who will work tirelessly to ensure that marijuana laws are not loosened. "Anybody with an ounce or 3 ounces of common sense is going to vote no on Question 9," she told the cheering group. A few made more personal appeals. "This is a very personal issue for me because my son is an addict and it started out with marijuana," said Cherrell Tarantino, a Las Vegas real estate agent. Stifling tears as she spoke, Tarantino said her 18-year-old recently returned home after battling a drug problem for more than three years. She said drugs devastated her family's life, as it has hundreds of other valley families. "He's partly alive because the law is there, because the law interceded," she said. "I applaud the legal system because, without that, he would be dead."Complete Title: Question 9 Opponents Rally Against Easing Marijuana Possession LawsSource: Las Vegas Review-Journal (NV)Author: J.M. Kalil, Review-JournalPublished: Saturday, September 28, 2002Copyright: 2002 Las Vegas Review-JournalContact: letters lvrj.comWebsite: http://www.lvrj.com/Related Articles & Web Sites:NRLEhttp://www.nrle.org/Marijuana Policy Projecthttp://www.mpp.org/Amsterdam of the Westhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread14268.shtmlOne Puff At A Time - Economist UKhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread14262.shtmlDiscussion About Pot Initiative Becomes Heated http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread14259.shtmlSmoking Up The Debate on Pot http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread14237.shtml
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Comment #64 posted by PonziScheme on September 29, 2002 at 20:19:54 PT
Ohio cultivation law
I believe the change regarding cultivation in Ohio happened during the mid-1990s, tucked in to a broad "truth in sentencing" law.
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Comment #63 posted by Dankhank on September 29, 2002 at 16:22:55 PT
What's Zup?
four posts missing ...
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Comment #62 posted by FoM on September 29, 2002 at 15:59:51 PT
freedomfighter
I'm not sure but I believe it is the same for possession, cultivation etc. They go by amount but I could be wrong.
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Comment #61 posted by freedom fighter on September 29, 2002 at 15:51:01 PT
Is that true?
"Ohio currently has the most liberal marijuana laws in the nation: possession of up to three ounces is a misdemeanor punishable by a $100 fine. In July of last year, with little fanfare, Ohio decriminalized the cultivation of small amounts of marijuana for personal use. The change in the laws was backed by the state's conservative Republican governor, George V. Voinovich."I know that Ohio has the most liberal cannabis laws in the nation; 3 ounces equal 100$ fine but for growing for personal use?? Can anybody clarify that?Well written article but bit confusing!http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/97apr/reef.htmff
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Comment #56 posted by FoM on September 29, 2002 at 09:36:09 PT
Swampie
I'll see what I can do later on today. I can't put a link on the front page but I can put a link on Freedom To Exhale. I don't have the ability to add links on CNews. I want to make sure that it is something that the majority of people want before I do anything. No sense in wasting time if the thread wouldn't be used so I'll wait and see.
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Comment #55 posted by SWAMPIE on September 29, 2002 at 02:58:43 PT
" CANNAMUSIC" HEADER.........?????
FoM,why can't you put up a header on the front page with this title,and allow for articles and comments the same way as it is for "Freedomtoexhale",etc?I think that "CANNAMUSIC" would be a suitable label if it hasn't already been used somewhere else.Then if we need or want to bring up the "Musical-Quandary" in our comments,we can reefer the comments to:See CANNAMUSIC section for more.... Just my 2-cents...As a musician,I appreciate most if not all aspects of music,but I do see others'points of view as well.....ONWARDTHROUGHTHEFOGGGGGG!!!!! SWAMPIE
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Comment #54 posted by Had Enough on September 29, 2002 at 01:45:29 PT
Dankhank
I'm with you. I would try to make comments but it would not inform more than what you have alreadey conveyed. It' s the topic. Let it roll baby roll.
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Comment #53 posted by Dankhank on September 28, 2002 at 22:32:16 PT
Old stuff
http://cannabisnews.com/news/7/thread7252.shtmlhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/12/thread12272.shtml
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Comment #52 posted by FoM on September 28, 2002 at 22:22:52 PT
afterburner
Thanks. Maybe you and anyone else that's interested could think of a few short length links to music lyrics and I could put them in the article. Why I want to do this right is editing isn't easy and I can't add urls after I post the article. It's better to work it out and then post it. I know it will be slow tomorrow and later in the day I will be able to spend more time figuring how it might be best. Google will grab it fairly quickly and it could be fun for music issues to be talked about. I know I would read it but probably wouldn't comment because I don't know anything about music except I enjoy it.
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Comment #51 posted by Dankhank on September 28, 2002 at 22:19:03 PT
Trying again
I'm still interested in how germane Dubya's head on women's bodies is ...
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Comment #50 posted by FoM on September 28, 2002 at 22:15:57 PT
DankHank
You lost me. I didn't think anyone complained about you just a general complaint as far as talking about music goes. This is a news board. I don't see why we wouldn't see that it is a news board. All I ask is we show consideration for the people who come here because they want to talk about drug policy but mostly cannabis news articles.
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Comment #49 posted by Dankhank on September 28, 2002 at 22:12:36 PT
Bovine Fecal Matter
yea, that's what I meant to write
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Comment #48 posted by afterburner on September 28, 2002 at 22:11:53 PT:
FoM: Harry Hates Jazz
Harry Hates Jazz. I love it. It's a good headline, like a bumpersticker. In the meantime maybe links to lyrics would be less annoying to the verbally-minded.
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Comment #47 posted by Dankhank on September 28, 2002 at 21:56:22 PT:
I did it!!!!!!!
This whole music thing apparently started when I shared the lyrics of a song that I use to stead me up when going out to picket the local federal building by my lonesome.I notice that numerous in here seem to feel, like me, that music is integral to the human experience.Cavemen and Women howled, sang and banged on hollow logs and such from as early as we know.Songs were used from time immemorial to steady crowds as they marched, and even made the marching easier.Go to google and search for "music + resistance" and see how many links you can pull up about current resistance singers and artists. There are many.Bob Marley sang resistance songs. I have a library of reefer songs that extoll the beauty of, uses of, questions about, and the sheer joy of Cannabis and ask why it is illegal.If you never heard "What If God Smoked Cannabis" you are missing some of the most thought provoking music around.So, when I posted the lyrics, someone or two, or three apparently complained to Fom about that and she passed it along to me.The whole idea of being faced with your accusor ignored.Comments were something like, "This is a serious news board and we want to stay on topic," and "We are watched by those who would love to find stuff to mock us about," and "This is not a game here."I do not understand why some would pick out the ONE post I made in recent memory about music and it's effect on me.I think I am one of the longest running users of this most worthy of service, could be in error, and if I am I expect someone will let me know.The point is that with the exception of profanity, most everything here is pretty free-wheeling, succint, germane and to the point. So what's the problem????Why music? I have a better idea. If you don't want to read about music, don't, move on to the next post. I still want to know what if anything in my first post raised the ire of unknown persons ... not serious?, leaning to the ridiculous? or seemingly gameish? (I made gameish up, unless it is really a word.) I don't want to have to endlessly post about WHY I think music is integral to our cause and why we can use it to soothe our souls, or wind them up, or make us cry, or make us laugh, because it takes up time that we could use to post the more succint, well-thought-out, and sometimes hasty rants and responses to some of the most ridiculous utterances we hear from the prohibitchionists.Can't we just get along?I promise not to fill every post I make with references to music, never have, never will.Why must I and others defend music when many posts in here start commenting about the story at hand and end up with numerous links going off in many tangents? These tangential links are usually preceded with the comment "off topic" as if that excuses the links to photo's of Dubya's head on shapely women's bodies, or Asa in a Nazi-looking uniform or sites that scream US govt. instigation and possible collusion in 9-11, or any of the myriad other "off-topic" links or even comments.Unlike others, I have not ever complained about anything posted in here and only bring this stuff up while trying to understand why I was singled out.If I use the appelation, "off-topic," from now on can I get the same treatment as the person that linked us to the six or eight photo's of Dubya's head on shapely, lightly-clad twenty-something women?On the other hand, I don't believe that when I share inspiration, whether in audio, video, spoken word outside of or inside of my head, or any other event that motivates me to resist the government of liars we have, it's "off-topic."I suppose I can look forward to being disinvited if I persist in trying to save music and it's obvious benefits for those in here that could use some inspiration, or just want to relax with music they may not have heard about.In closing I suggest if you want to tell me how full of boving fecal matter you think I am please respond to my email address. Let's not clutter this venue up any more.http://www.rede-nonio.min-edu.pt/es/sebgama/webquest/might be a good place to start for some of the less humorous in here ... enjoy ...
Hemp N Stuff
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Comment #46 posted by FoM on September 28, 2002 at 21:02:57 PT
afterburner
How about something like this in the article? A different title though.Cannabis News Music Discussion: Harry Hates Jazz After National marijuana prohibition became law in America, Commissioner Anslinger found out that a certain group of people - all of whom were identifiable by their shared occupation - were flagrantly violating the law by continuing to smoke pot. What the transgressors had in common was that they had rhythm. In fact, they included all the key geniuses of Jazz: Louis Armstrong, Dizzy Gillespie, Thelonius Monk, Count Basie, Jimmy Dorsey, Duke Ellington, Lionel Hampton and Cab Calloway, to name a choice selection. From the early 1930s, the Commissioner compiled a dossier that would later be known as the 'Marijuana and Musicians' file, noting each and every marijuana case involving a member of the musical fraternity. Documents from the Anslinger papers and the DEA Library in Washington DC reveal that, from 1943 to 1948, Anslinger plotted a pogrom of jazz and swing musicians, ordering all his agents throughout the USA to watch and keep criminal files on all the musicians in their areas so that they could all be rounded-up in one fell swoop.
Complete Article: http://www.ukcia.org/potculture/48/anslinger.htmlAnslinger Hatred of Jazz After retirement, Harry Anslinger personally delivered his papers from his 30 years as the world’s top narc to Pennsylvania State University at State College, PA. From the Anslinger papers and the Washington, D.C., DEA Library, containing the old FBN (Federal Bureau of Narcotics) papers and memos, we have this: From 1943 to 1948, Anslinger ordered all his agents throughout the country to watch and keep marijuana criminal files on virtually all jazz and swing musicians; but not to bust them until he could coordinate all the jazz busts on the same night. His goal and dream was to bust them all in one giant nationwide sweep! This would garner the front page of every newspaper in America, and make Anslinger more well-known than his 20-year chief rival, the FBI’ s famous J. Edgar Hoover. The jazz and swing musicians would be shown to the youth of America for what they really were—“dope fiends”. Anslinger ordered his agents to keep files and constant surveillance on the following “low life” Americans and their bands, singers, and comedians: Thelonius Monk, Louis Armstrong, Les Brown, Count Basie, Cab Calloway, Jimmy Dorsey, Duke Ellington, Dizzy Gillespie, Lionel Hampton, and Andre Kostelanetz. Also under surveillance were the NBC Orchestra, the Milton Berle show, the Coca-Cola program, the Jackie Gleason program, and even the Kate Smith program. All persons we think of today as wonderful Americans and musical innovators.Complete Article: http://www.electricemperor.com/eecdrom/HTML/EMP/13/ECH13_07.HTMA P R I L 1 9 9 7More Reefer MadnessBy Eric SchlosserMarijuana gives rise to insanity -- not in its users but in the policies directed against it. A nation that sentences the possessor of a single joint to life imprisonment without parole but sets a murderer free after perhaps six years is, the author writes, "in the grip of a deep psychosis" Eight years ago Douglas Lamar Gray bought a pound of marijuana in a room at the Econo Lodge in Decatur, Alabama. He planned to keep a few ounces for himself and sell the rest to some friends. Gray was a Vietnam veteran with an artificial leg. As a young man, he'd been convicted of a number of petty crimes, none serious enough to warrant a prison sentence. He had stayed out of trouble for a good thirteen years. He now owned a business called Gray's Roofing and Remodeling Service. He had a home, a wife, and a two-year-old son. The man who sold him the drug, Jimmy Wilcox, was a felon just released from prison, with more than thirty convictions on his record. Wilcox was also an informer employed by the Morgan County Drug Task Force. The pound of marijuana had been supplied by the local sheriff's department, as part of a sting. After paying Wilcox $900 for the pot, which seemed like a real bargain, Douglas Lamar Gray was arrested and charged with "trafficking in cannabis." He was tried, convicted, fined $25,000, sentenced to life in prison without parole, and sent to the maximum-security penitentiary in Springville, Alabama -- an aging, overcrowded prison filled with murderers and other violent inmates. He remains there to this day. Under the stress of his imprisonment Gray's wife attempted suicide with a pistol, survived the gunshot, and then filed for divorce. Jimmy Wilcox, the informer, was paid $100 by the county for his services in the case.Complete Article: http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/97apr/reef.htmWatch Reefer MadnessThanks to the Campaign for the Restoration and Regulation of Hemp, you can watch Reefer Madness in its entirety online!Just visit: http://www.crrh.org/hemptv/misc_reefer.html
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Comment #45 posted by FoM on September 28, 2002 at 19:34:56 PT
DdC
The idea for a music topic thread would be good if I can figure out how to do it. It will all work out.
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Comment #44 posted by DdC on September 28, 2002 at 19:15:08 PT
It is a good suggestion FoM...
But its a separate issue from censoring lyrics to address the content of an article. Or links to show similar past behavior or similar acts of fascism or to disprove what the D.E.A.th are lying about at some particular time. Censoring someones answer whether it be with lyrics or biblical quotes is still censoring an individuals thoughts or ideas and stopping their way of expressing those ideas. Anyone objecting to content is in a dangerous position and truely not acting like a free American. The media censors us, yet the government advertizes their lies through the media outlets. This or many other message boards don't censor their lies either. Not Joycey or if Assa had the guts would his opinion be censored. (laughed at, cursed at and generally disregarded but not censored.) Lyrics are quotations. Maybe they were written for different injustices and over different wars but its still war and injustice we fight everyday. I can only pity those afraid of knowledge or words. And their gullability in thinking politeness or science will win this fascist game. Its not a lack of science or knowledge that outlaws cannabis. Its censorship of that knowledge and science to perpetuate the profits of this war and to keep the natural alternatives out of the free market. Conservative News used to censor content, Fauxnews first board shutdown because of cannabis info posted. I would expect someone telling me not to post cannabis content or content that might make someone aware that fascism isn't new and isn't unique to cannabis prohibition on G.Gordon Liddies boards. But this is a balanced venue and I find few here who object to truth. No matter what language its spoken in...You shouldn't feel a need to coddle anyone, including me or the tune paranoid. Post their complaints and let us deal with it...Peace, Love and Liberty or D.E.A.th!...DdC
Coming In From the Cold
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Comment #43 posted by FoM on September 28, 2002 at 16:34:43 PT
DdC
I do understand. I just needed to share with all of you if I have to answer questions for others. A music thread would be for music but not news. That would be a place to talk about your own music favorites and whatever else encompasses music discussions. This is only an idea and it doesn't matter if it is done or not. It is only a suggestion.
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Comment #42 posted by afterburner on September 28, 2002 at 16:34:29 PT:
FoM: best on short notice. I'll keep looking
Harry J. Anslinger, the commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics from 1930 to 1962 and an unabashed racist, first doubted the seriousness of the problem but then quickly changed his mind, asserting in public appearances and radio broadcasts that marijuana use led to killings, sex crimes and insanity.A 1936 movie called "Reefer Madness" included scenes of high school youth smoking marijuana and immediately going insane, playing "evil" jazz music and going on murder sprees. Full story:
Smoking Up The Debate on Pot
http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/14/thread14237.shtmlOne of the real heroes of "Grass," Ron Mann's punchy and enjoyable new documentary on the history of marijuana in the United States during the 20th century, is Mayor Fiorello H. LaGuardia of New York. While Harry J. Anslinger, the federal government's first drug czar,
spent his career looking for a way to pin as many evils on marijuana as he could, and punishing those who disagreed with him, La Guardia calmly commissioned a study on marijuana use.Full story:
Grass : Madness! Communism! Indolence! The Works!
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Comment #41 posted by DdC on September 28, 2002 at 16:17:22 PT
Quotes and Music stashes are good ideas...
But as a part of a posters answer or statement to the article I find it a necessary part of expression and accuracy or in making a specific point. I shutter to even think of rules on peoples behavior that can in no way effect anyone with a scrolling function on their puter. Peace, Love and Liberty or Not...DdCThe Healing Power of Music by Mary HessionOver the last two decades, the therapeutic properties of music have been investigated by practitioners and scientists, eager to reveal the magic ingredient which has given healing and well-being to millions of listeners.It was believed that certain frequencies trigger a response in the human brain, which activated the immune system, but it is no single sound, but a combination of vibrant energies
(excerpted)Music helps movement, mood in Parkinson patients.
Bodies May Still Be Able to Boogie, Even When Other Movement Is Hard
By Jim Morelli, RPh WebMD Medical News///
June 20, 2000 -- Music. It does a body good. Physical therapy may help keep Parkinson's disease patients limber, but now researchers have found that music therapy may help them move faster --and make them happier. (Continued)
http://my.webmd.com/content/article/1728.58610Marijuana" used in treating Parkinson's
WASHINGTON, March 24
A marijuana-like chemical in the brain that helps regulate body movement and coordination might be used to treat diseases that produce tics and shaking, such as Parkinson's disease and schizophrenia, researchers said. University of California Irvine researchers found that the chemical, known as anandamide, acts as a kind of brake on neural activity in the brains of rats, and might be used to treat the side-effects of diseases that cause uncontrollable movements. http://www.marijuana-uses.comStrangest Dream
http://www.cannabinoid.com/boards/politics/media/36/36617.gifSeattle Hempfest is FREE!
The first Seattle Hempfest of the Millennium was a tremendous success! Well over 100,000 supporters literally poured into the park all day long. Blessed with great weather, attendees were treated to 4 musical stages, with over 42 musical acts and 47 speakers. Over 250 food, craft and non-profit booths dotted the long, grassy expanse of Myrtle Edwards and Elliot Bay parks.
http://www.seattlehempfest.comPsychoactivity As A Magic Healer
http://www.cannabinoid.com/boards/message.shtml?1x35488
The Healing Magic of Cannabis
http://www.cannabinoid.com/boards/message.shtml?1x35487Healing as a Re-Creational Activity
http://www.cannabinoid.com/boards/message.shtml?1x35485"Parallel to the training of the body a struggle against the poisoning of the soul must begin. Our whole public life today is like a hothouse for sexual ideas and simulations. Just look at the bill of fare served up in our movies, vaudeville and theaters, and you will hardly be able to deny that this is not the right kind of food, particularly for the youth...Theater, art, literature, cinema, press, posters, and window displays must be cleansed of all manifestations of our rotting world and placed in the service of a moral, political, and cultural idea."
Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 10
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Comment #40 posted by FoM on September 28, 2002 at 16:02:28 PT
afterburner
Do you have a link? I'll sure check it out.
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Comment #39 posted by afterburner on September 28, 2002 at 15:55:30 PT:
FOM: A music post is a good idea
I just got back from shopping, and I was surprised to find so many comments on this thread. Like I said, "emotional issue," like music. I am also guilty of thinking and speaking music at times. May I suggest a post on Harry Anslinger and his racist attacks on Jazz, and similiar DEA activity, as a possible post. See, not a single lyric.
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Comment #38 posted by The GCW on September 28, 2002 at 15:42:09 PT
Music is right up there with oxygen...
There is not enough talk about music to address complaints about it... And (FoM), be sure not to let prohibitionists be the ones to influence the elimination of musical references. Music has already stated much of what needs to be stated, and helps Us state what needs to be stated. We are musical people. Our words are often peotic, and music inspired. That should not end.I usually pass up the music questions, but they are easy to pass up... The next thing, people will complain about long posts... I suggest that if You do not like long posts or posts with musical context, skip over them, and complain instead through a LTE, for the country to stop caging humans for using cannabis. Please stop complaining to FoM about musical content.Cannabis and music enhance each other.The GCWThen on the bumper stickers... one of My favorites...:The Moral Majority Is Neither.The GCWOh and Zappa and Nevada,He said, "For a nominal service charge, We can reach Nevada tonight."If anyone is going to be in NV. soon, be sure to help do some activist work, for the betterment of mankind.Perhaps We can help control the out of control prohibitionists.
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Comment #37 posted by FoM on September 28, 2002 at 15:07:09 PT
Talking Point
I did a quick search and found this article about The Rolling Stones. I don't know if this is good or not but I'm just trying to give you an idea. The article is the talking point that's why I hope we find a good one if you want me to do this. A title is important.http://www.observer.co.uk/review/story/0,6903,800791,00.html
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Comment #36 posted by FoM on September 28, 2002 at 14:52:23 PT
Patrick
That's what I mean. This thread is now winding up talking about music and maybe we can figure it out. I'll re-post this article to the archives for news purposes and you keep trying to figure out how to do this. I think it would be a real help and a place to let your hair down and talk about music.
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Comment #35 posted by FoM on September 28, 2002 at 14:47:44 PT
canaman
No it isn't you. It really isn't. I just thought this might be a good time to make something for the music people here. I'm looking it as a way to expand. This is a news site but music is part of our culture and I just want to see how this could be done and make people happy.
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Comment #34 posted by Patrick on September 28, 2002 at 14:47:04 PT
Some goofy title ideas…
The Modern Musical Expressions of Cannabisnewsers.///
Cannabis and Music in the 21st century.///
Damn it! I want to talk about Music.///
Music lovers find a home online.///
The War on Drugs leads to more independent cannabis and music related websites.
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Comment #33 posted by canaman on September 28, 2002 at 14:42:44 PT
I understand FoM...
although cultural music was part of the article to begin with...I guess posting compleate songs was going off on a bit of a tangent. I'll try to keep the music in my head from reaching my fingertips next time. ;-) gotta go now!
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Comment #32 posted by FoM on September 28, 2002 at 14:27:28 PT
canaman
Thank you. I love the Moody Blues. I didn't listen to it on the link you posted but it was going thru my head. I want you to understand that this isn't a dig on music because everyone loves music but in a news article it can throw the thing into a tizzy and the points trying to be made can become obscure. A music type article would benefit all the talented musicians that post here. I don't know much about music except I listen to music more then I watch tv. It could be special. I just can't figure out how to do it. Even someone writing what I should post would be ok with me. A few links could be put in the article as long as the link isn't very long. The title could be like I said music discussion only. Remember a search tool like google will pick it up in no time so I would want the title to state what it is all about.
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Comment #31 posted by canaman on September 28, 2002 at 14:19:17 PT
Untill we have that special place in cyberspace...
This one's for FoM.....In The Beginning(Graeme Edge) Moody BluesFirst Man: I think, I think I am, I think.Establishment: Of course you are my bright little star.
I've miles
And miles
Of files
Pretty files of your forefather's fruit
And now to suit our
Great computer
You're magnetic ink.First Man: I'm more than that,
I know I am, at least,
I think I must be.Inner Man: There you go, man,
keep as cool as you can.
Face piles
And piles
Of trials
With smiles
It riles them to believe
That you perceive
The web they weave
And keep on thinking free.http://www.flash.net/~russ3/moody.htm
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Comment #30 posted by FoM on September 28, 2002 at 14:14:24 PT
DdC
I need to think of everyone's feelings about CNews that's why I thought a music thread would be a good idea. The non music news only people won't be upset then and everyone will be happy. That's what I call working together.
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Comment #29 posted by DdC on September 28, 2002 at 13:47:48 PT
FoM
You know we have had complaints about talking about music...I'd think they have a much greater problem than cannabis prohibition. Besides the obvious Free Speech censoring.Music calms the savage D.E.A.th Beast's blind followers and lets us celebrate our small infrequent victories, muster troops to our very rightous cause and besides it sounds good after burning a doober. Who could possibly have a problem with tunes?Peace, Love and Liberty or D.E.A.th...
DdCThis is good for all around.
Folk, Rock, 60/70's,oldies,showtunes...
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Academy/3225/Dylan's Lyrics
http://www.bobdylan.com/songs/index.htmlBob Marley
http://www.bobmarley.com/songs/songs_bytitle.html#RBeatles
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9773/lyrics.htmlGrateful Dead Lyrics
http://arts.ucsc.edu/GDead/AGDL/#songs
Believe
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Comment #28 posted by FoM on September 28, 2002 at 13:46:11 PT
I'll Be Back
I have do a little work and I'll be back and see if you come up with an article or a better idea. Like one on the Grateful Dead. I need something to post to make an article.
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Comment #27 posted by canaman on September 28, 2002 at 13:43:58 PT
on the subject of the majority...
maybe our own poll or vote tally some day?
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Comment #26 posted by FoM on September 28, 2002 at 13:43:30 PT
idea
I would title it something like this.For Music Discussion Only
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Comment #25 posted by FoM on September 28, 2002 at 13:40:55 PT
Patrick
We've gotten really big. We have a few growing pains and are working thru them. What about a music article just for music? I think it would be good because as far as I know there is no limit on comments. It could go on forever.
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Comment #24 posted by canaman on September 28, 2002 at 13:39:21 PT
I was unaware of complaints about music...
And in this case the Dead where mentioned specifically. My feeling is that music, quotes, poetry ect. are ways to express ideas. They may be off topic at times but still valuable. But I will go with whatever works the best for the most people.
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Comment #23 posted by Patrick on September 28, 2002 at 13:34:35 PT
Complaints
Wow FoM I am sorry to hear that people would actually complain to you because someone mentions or talks about music on this cannabis information website. I wonder what they have to say about politics being discussed here? As it relates to cannabis of course. Sheesh maybe THEY (the complainers) should put on their favorite Silence CD and chill out. Maybe with some RELAXING cannabis since they read this site so often enough that they have time to whine about a discussion thread with musical overtones. Thanks again FoM.
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Comment #22 posted by FoM on September 28, 2002 at 13:23:51 PT
Advice
That's OK canaman. I'll remove it. You know we have had complaints about talking about music and I have thought and thought how to make something so you can talk about music and still keep the peace. This is an idea and please give me some help with this. I would need an article to post that seemed to fit ( about music ) and not post it to the front page. It would still come up in the recent comment section. That way it wouldn't be news and you could bookmark the thread once I posted it and you could talk about music all you want. I'm willing to try. There's no rush but this idea might work. What do you think everyone?
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Comment #21 posted by canaman on September 28, 2002 at 13:15:47 PT
opps, sorry about the double post.
Too much caffine I guess.
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Comment #19 posted by canaman on September 28, 2002 at 13:12:55 PT
Grateful Quiz
Remember this song off Mars Hotel? And what were they reefering [sic] too with that Oaxaca vine?Pride Of Cucamonga
Lyrics: Bobby Peterson
Music: Phil Lesh w/The Grateful Dead
Published By; Ice Nine Publishing Company, Inc. (ASCAP) Out on the edge of the empty highway
Howling at the blood on the moon
Big diesel Mack rolling down my way
Can't hit that border too soonRunning hard out of Muskrat Flats
It was sixty days or double life
Hail at my back like a shotgun blast
High wind chimes in the nightOh, oh, pride of Cucamonga
Oh, oh, bitter olives in the sun
Oh, oh, I had me some loving
And I done some timeSince I came down from Oregon
There's a lesson or two I've learned
By standing in the road alone
Standing watching the fires burnThe northern sky it stinks with greed
You can smell it for miles around
Good old boys in the Greystone Hotel
Sitting doing that git-on-downOh, oh, pride of Cucamonga
Oh, oh, silver apples in the sun
Oh, oh, I had me some loving
And I done some timeI see your silver shining town
But I know I can't go there
Your streets run deep with poisoned wine
Your doorways crawl with fearSo I think I'll drift for old where it's at
Where the weed grows green and fine
And wrap myself around a bush
Of that bright whoa, oh, Oaxaca vineYes it's me, I'm the pride of Cucamonga
I can see golden forests in the sun
Oh, oh, I had me some loving
And I done some time
And I done some time
And I done some time
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Comment #18 posted by Had Enough on September 28, 2002 at 13:05:38 PT
Just for Grins
We will Pity the fool who messes with the "Greatful Dead"
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Comment #17 posted by canaman on September 28, 2002 at 13:01:53 PT
Nevadans for Responsable Law Enforcement
Here's the link to the T.V. ads that I understand are geting alot of airplay on Fox in Reno.http://www.nrle.org/commercials.html
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Comment #16 posted by Had Enough on September 28, 2002 at 12:57:11 PT
More Greatful Dead
“Lately it occurs to me, What a long strange trip it’s been.What in the world ever became of sweet Jane,She lost her spot, but you know she isn't the same.Livin on Reds, Vitamin C and Cocaine,All a friend can say is, aint it a shame.”Greatfull DeadWE THE PEOPLE will VOTE VOTE VOTE
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Comment #15 posted by JR Bob Dobbs on September 28, 2002 at 12:46:56 PT
LTE and an aside
Sirs, Deputy Chief Young's statement that, "We will have nothing but a continuous, 24-7 Grateful Dead concert here," sounds like he hasn't even seen the commercials the proponents of Question Nine have been airing. The ads specifically state that "marijuana use in all public places will be banned," including vehicles. It allows people to use it at home, and gives them somewhere to obtain it aside from the current government-imposed black market monopoly. That doesn't sound like a 24/7 Grateful Dead concert to me. It sounds more like the police playing on the worst fears of the voter in an attempt to influence the outcome of the referendum.-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- And hey, what's so wrong with the Dead? Didn't they go for 30+ years as a wildly successful business venture? Aren't they even now turning a profit? I seem to remember even some senators who shed tears when Jerry died...
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Comment #14 posted by legalizeit on September 28, 2002 at 12:44:10 PT
By the way...
are any Nevada radio stations urging the electorate to register? Any talk shows there that one can call into, get on the air and encourage pple to get out and vote?(It would be cool if someone set up a pirate station with a looped message, "Get out and register by Oct. 5. We need your vote. Your vote counts!" or something like that)
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Comment #13 posted by canaman on September 28, 2002 at 12:42:22 PT
A favorite bumper snicker of mine...
circa the Dead era... "WE ARE EVERYWHERE" get used to it prohibitionists!
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Comment #12 posted by legalizeit on September 28, 2002 at 12:38:27 PT
Rich fat cat guys back East
Sounds like Booker is talking about his own prohib buddies. If he is so against out-of-state influences, why doesn't he tell John Walters he is not welcome? Why is it only people who think contrary to his dogma that are labeled rich fat cat guys? I detect a great deal of hyprocrisy here, which is about normal for prohibs anyway.>Booker told about 75 fellow anti-initiative campaigners that passage of the ballot question would harm all Nevadans with negative social effects, such as increasing children's access to marijuana.I would like to know how restricting MJ sales to persons over 21 will increase children's access.>"Gary Booker has a long record in this short campaign of not telling the truth and just making things up."What a surprise!! This crap has been going on since 1937. It's just that now the Sheeple are becoming more educated on the issue and are increasingly able to filter truth from fables.>"Anybody with an ounce or 3 ounces of common sense is going to vote no on Question 9"Anyone with 3 ounces of common sense has exactly 3 more ounces than she does. It would have been major comedy had she beaned herself in the face while playing with her slingshot!(Besides, accdg. to the story, David didn't use a slingshot; he used a sling. Big difference!)>"This is a very personal issue for me because my son is an addict and it started out with marijuana,"
It amazes me how so many pple can be blind to the truth. Why doesn't this woman realize that if MJ were separated from the truly addicting drugs, there would be no relation between the two?I think it's time to go Elk Hunting!! (With a slingshot, of course.)
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Comment #11 posted by Had Enough on September 28, 2002 at 12:29:12 PT
It's gonna happen
“Truck’n They’ve got their chips cashed in.” Jerry is still with us.VOTE VOTE VOTE
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Comment #10 posted by p4me on September 28, 2002 at 12:23:10 PT
Do I have a Bumper Sticker for you
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Comment #9 posted by Gary Storck on September 28, 2002 at 12:15:24 PT
Register to Vote and find out where they stand!
No matter where you live, it is important to register and vote this November. Find out where candidates stand and vote accordingly. And remember, as my dear friend Jacki Rickert says, "If you don't vote, you can't bitch!"This nation is at a cross roads. We need to take it back from those who hijacked it and stop the madness before things get any worse.
Is My Medicine Legal YET?
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Comment #8 posted by DdC on September 28, 2002 at 11:29:38 PT
Stoners Won't Get Drunk and Gamble It All Away...
If my words did glow with the gold of sunshine
And my tunes were played on the harp unstrung
Would you hear my voice come through the music
Would you hold it near as it were your own? It's a hand-me-down, the thoughts are broken
Perhaps they're better left unsung
I don't know, don't really care
Let there be songs to fill the air Ripple in still water
When there is no pebble tossed
Nor wind to blow Reach out your hand if your cup be empty
If your cup is full may it be again
Let it be known there is a fountain
That was not made by the hands of men There is a road, no simple highway
Between the dawn and the dark of night
And if you go no one may follow
That path is for your steps alone You who choose to lead must follow
But if you fall you fall alone
If you should stand then who's to guide you?
If I knew the way I would take you homeGrateful Dead Songs
http://arts.ucsc.edu/GDead/AGDL/#songsThank God for Hippies
http://pub3.ezboard.com/fendingcannabisprohibitionstuff.showMessage?topicID=3.topic
Avalon Ballroom
http://www.cannabinoid.com/boards/politics/media/34/34038.jpgMemorial
http://www.cannabinoid.com/boards/politics/media/34/34041.jpg Dead shows vs Nazi's that is the question!
http://www.november.org/NaziComp.htmlThe Joseph McNamara Collection Cops against the Insanity called WoD!
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/debate/mcn/mcntoc.htm
Hippy . Com
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Comment #7 posted by canaman on September 28, 2002 at 09:50:14 PT
When the Dead came to town
I remember the chief of police in Eugene Oregon saying something like..."I'd rather police 10 Dead shows than one U. of O. football game" There was an honest cop! As for the Dead 24/7 ... the Berkley Greek shows 4 hrs. a day 3 days in a row was adaquit. 24/7 ? In some wild dream maybe.
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Comment #6 posted by FoM on September 28, 2002 at 09:47:47 PT
A Friendly Reminder
Please Register To Vote Before October 5THIS WEEK:Every vote will be important this year as Nevadans go to the polls to decide whether to remove the criminal penalties for adult possession of up to three ounces of marijuana. You will not be able to vote on Election Day, November 5, if you do not register BY OCTOBER 5.Please take a few minutes to download voter registration documents: http://www.NRLE.org/vote.htmlIf you have moved recently or have not voted in a long time, please be sure to contact your County Clerk/Registrar of Voters to make sure they have your correct information. The site mentioned above has a link for contacting these offices.One recent news story in the "Las Vegas Sun" talks specifically about the voting habits of those between the ages of 18 and 25: http://www.NRLE.org/news/lvs092302.htmlIn non-presidential elections, 18- to 25-year-olds vote less than 20% of the time. Please encourage voters of all ages to get registered, but especially take the opportunity to speak with young people about making their voices heard by voting.
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Comment #5 posted by afterburner on September 28, 2002 at 09:43:16 PT:
emotional issue
emotional issue: "Fear is the lock and laughter the the key to your heart."Are WE registered to vote?Are THE friends registered too?Are PEOPLE aware of the true facts about marijuana and hemp?Stir it up.
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Comment #4 posted by TroutMask on September 28, 2002 at 09:34:19 PT
Damn long-hairs!
"We will have nothing but a continuous, 24-7 Grateful Dead concert here"There you have it. THAT is the crux of marijuana prohibition. "We hate hippies!" We hated 'em in the 60's and we hate 'em now.But I still fail to see how a 24-7 Grateful Dead concert is worse than a 24-7 gambling prostitution mecca. If anything, less alcohol will be consumed, greatly increasing the safety of the entire state.-TM
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Comment #3 posted by p4me on September 28, 2002 at 09:28:17 PT
Ah, the power of Bumper Stickers
Two days ago, I posed one and only one question. I asked again politely yesterday and said that this is the one and only one question I would like to have perspective on and still get nothing. Then I am emailed by the UNFUN-MENTALIST that if I know so much I should already have the answer. So to "What are you trying to do besides kill me", I feel like I should give it some kind of go since no one else does and then I get called a shithead. Do a search for "P4me is a shithead" and see if it didn't happen.So, now they are going to say you take professionals' advertising and change a word or two. You change the multi-million dollar advertising campaign of the cheese industry and change cheese to Bumper Stickers and bumpersticker is one word.So what difference does it make how I generate BS. Now you say quit saying BS. Well I am in the Bumper Sticker business and if you had to type Bumper Sticker as many times as me you would use BS also. Yes, lay people use the word bumpersticker but people in the business don't. It has 13 letters and was popularized by Horace Klein, a German immigrant, that was a leader in the field in the 40's in Warshington. He just copied other people's bumpersticker where at least I think of them independently. He got run over reading competitor's BS and since then most professtionals yeilded to superstition and avoid the 13 letter version. You don't think I know my business?Well, the ever increasing number of articles on Nevada legalization beats the prostitution and gambling angles to death. What you need are some refreshing words sure to bring up the subject so you can ask "Why are you for prohibition." stock# BSA 401, and report the stupidity back here for all to see.Find out the power of cheese, I mean BS, with this fine example of our works at BS of A- "Prohibition- Reason Denied." Maybe the prohibitionists will have to think on this one and this could evaporate their ignorance and brainwashing. Similar to "Prohibition, Get Over It" this hits the anti's right in the face with the word the propagandist hate- Prohibition. It really pisses some of them off and who is not for that. Reason Denied is double entendre guaranteed to make your prohibitionist neighbor think with their pee brain, or pea brain if you are linguistically impaired.Yes, prohibition denies and defies Reason when looked at from the angle of WeThePeople. It sure makes sense to the powers that be, but it is still counterproductive and counterintuitive to a better society. The betterment of the few at the expense of the many didn't float well when Spock died in the Star Trek movie. It doesn't float well with me either.Yes, this BS is good for Nevada residents voting to end prohibition in Nevada, using all the logic of the Canadian Senate Report to support your beliefs. You purchase may help you find a prohibitionist that can utter a coherent statement for prohibition. You can just point to your BS on your car or wall and let him know his Reason is Denied.Order CN# 14274 now at our portal at LB&O.sux where our BS is guaranteed to stick, and you will receive one free "I am a Cannabisnewser." Yes, the police may want to harass you because his simple mind thinks it a strong clue when his warped mind perceives "I am a Cannabis User." Get that bumpersticker in everyone's face and let them reveal the fool within. You don't have to say it all. Just tell the world of Cannabisnews.com with the small print underneath, and we will take it from there. 1,2
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Comment #2 posted by canaman on September 28, 2002 at 09:21:01 PT
Where's the Compassion?
Many of these people have no compassion and out of fear would gladly attend the lynching of users and think they are doing society a favour.
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Comment #1 posted by The GCW on September 28, 2002 at 08:52:02 PT
REGISTER, REGISTER, REGISTER,
BY OCT 5TH.Are the underdogs tired of this persecution?Are We tired of being stolen from by the ignoid government?Are We tired of being caged for using a plant?Then like never before in My lifetime has an issue been so important that We prevail.The only way the most ignorant amongst Us are going to cease caging humans for using a plant is by force.Use the most peace saturated force, to stop the ignorance.If You have never voted before, break that streak, for this important election question.Do You favor ending the policy of caging humans for using this plant cannabis?Say it at the voting booth!These prohbitionists are gross and they must be controlled!
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