cannabisnews.com: Effort Pushes Hopes of Marijuana Legalization
Effort Pushes Hopes of Marijuana Legalization
Posted by CN Staff on September 03, 2002 at 07:56:32 PT
By Lou Mumford, Staff Writer
Source: South Bend Tribune
Rainbow Farm Campground may be gone, but it's not forgotten.With signs waving and music playing in the background, friends of the late campground owner Grover "Tom'' Crosslin and Crosslin's companion, Rolland "Rollie'' Rohm, gathered in front of the Cass County Courthouse on Monday night to show their support for the pair's efforts to decriminalize marijuana.
The two died a year ago during a five-day siege with police and the FBI. Crosslin, 46, was killed on Sept. 3, when he allegedly raised a rifle to fire at an FBI agent and instead was shot in the head by the agent.The 28-year-old Rohm died the next day when he, too, was shot after he allegedly set fire to the farmhouse and ran outside brandishing a rifle.Supporters of the pair said that Crosslin and Rohm essentially died because of their strong belief that adults should be able to smoke small quantities of marijuana in the privacy of their own homes. That cause was a major theme of the Hemp Aid and Roachfest events Crosslin sponsored at the campground over Memorial and Labor day weekends, they said."I really think somebody recognized we had a little heaven on earth at the campground, and they didn't like it. One pocket of freedom got squashed, but other pockets are opening up all over,'' said a barefoot Adam Wright of Cass City, Mich. "Corruption busted Rainbow Farms.''Wright carried a sign depicting a cannabis plant and the words "God doesn't make mistakes.''Other signs carried such messages as "Tom and Rollie. We will never forget,'' "Don't sell Robert's Rainbow'' and "Robert wants his farm, not the money.''The latter signs were in reference to Rohm's now 14-year-old son, Robert, who stands to benefit from the sale of the farm property at auction. Now a ward of the state, Robert would receive the proceeds when he turns 18.But Doug Leimbach, who managed Rainbow Farm Campground from 1996 to 2000, claimed he has received e-mail messages from Robert stating he doesn't want the farm to be sold."He says it's the only thing he has to remember his father,'' Leimbach said.Leimbach said he had known Crosslin for 30 years, and he doesn't believe he was the type of person to "commit suicide by cop,'' as some have said. What pushed him over the edge, he said, was the state's attempt to confiscate his land, the prospect of spending 30 years in prison on drug charges and Robert's removal by court order from the home where he had been raised since the age of 4."He (Crosslin) decided to stand up for what's right,'' Leimbach said.Will Dwyer of Charlotte, Mich., Morel "Moses'' Yonkers of Elkhart and Melody Karr of Mesick, Mich., all express the hopes some good will come from the Rainbow Farm tragedy should the end result be the decriminalization of marijuana."We're not going to quit. We're going to legalize this,'' Yonkers said.Whether marijuana laws are changed or not, she said there's one thing she knows for certain."I know none of us will ever look at Labor Day weekend the same way,'' she said.Source: South Bend Tribune (IN)Author: Lou Mumford, Staff WriterPublished: September 3, 2002 Copyright: 2002 South Bend TribuneContact: vop sbtinfo.comWebsite: http://www.southbendtribune.com/Related Articles & Web Site:Tom & Rollie Memorial Pagehttp://freedomtoexhale.com/rb.htmSiege Recalled by Neighbor http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread13967.shtmlVandalia Pair's Crusade Continuing in Cyberspacehttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread13961.shtml
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Comment #53 posted by FoM on September 06, 2002 at 22:26:25 PT
Thank You
I just wanted to say thank you all for trying. I really like all of you and I don't like me being a boss woman. I want to be friends and workers for our freedom. I believe that all things work out in time. A house divided against itself cannot stand. We are like a household of people in a way. You know like the Waltons were. Good Night, Jim Bob and everyone.
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Comment #52 posted by pppp on September 06, 2002 at 02:24:04 PT
...in retrospect...
..that was sortof a stupid ultimatum that 4d ended the previous item with.....even if this did turn into some kind of more formal,or carefully regulated forum,,I will never leave!..I'm here to stay!...This is the only place I post comments,and if necessary,I would change my nom de plume,and quit using the redundant,and excessive punctuational earmarks,,and pretend I am a respectful,,normal type of commentator.
...what's passed is past,,,the future awaits!..
..dont you dare quit commenting here Lehder!,,
,or I will kick your ass!
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Comment #51 posted by dddd on September 05, 2002 at 20:12:53 PT
............Good Advice.......
.....Lehder....I think your critique was valid,and benificial,,,,but,in some ways.,I thought your tone was somewhat pompous,and brash.......FoM has enough to do just keeping this thing going...for you to suggest that she should be some sort of comment filter,evaluating every comment to make sure it is up to some sort of standard of proper discussion,,is absurd!...Perhaps you would like to volunteer to serve as some sort of comment czar(?)...
..I dont mean to be snotty,or confrontational Lehder,,like I said,,I have a great respect for you,,and I think that you have done exactly what needed to be done,in that you spoke out,and induced a discussion concerning this matter.......Attempting to censor certain comments would be ridiculous,and repugnant...
"A little more erasing, and without warning or explanation when people ought to know better, would raise the quality
of discourse here, discipline those contributors who need discipline at times, attract numbers of serious-minded
annotators and make this board more accessible and useful to journalists who would present our arguments in
mainstream media. No busy journalist wants to trudge through forty or fifty or seventy comments looking for
something substantial and printable. These, for me, are the important functions of this board.
..I cant believe you seriously suggest such a thing Lehder!..If someone says something stupid,or uncouth,then others who comment here,will voice their objections..To suggest that "disciplining" contributors to this site,by arbitrarily deleting certain 'unacceptable' comments would somehow maintain a proper demeanor amongst commentors,,,is,,with all due respect,,a stupid idea!., Fom does not want or need to become some kindof a 'net-nanny'......As you mentioned,,in the past,when rogue commentators have gone way overboard, ,obscene comments have been expunged...But the best way to keep a robust,and versatile interaction here,is to speak out...You spoke out,and everyone listened. .That is one of the strong points of the discussions that we have here...There are not only good talkers,,there are good listeners.I consider your eloquent posts to be quite special.
..I thank you for pointing out your concerns..I'm glad you did..I will avoid doing the chat-room style marathons ...,,I do agree,,the matters that we are dealing with here are dead serious!,...BUT... I will not refrain from being mirthful,,silly,, and freelance in my comments... Fun is good!.. Laughter is better.... I admit,,I have overdone it with my buffoonery in the past,, I will try to maintain a certain level of decorum,,,,you're right,,,I've been not good,,almost bad ,in perpatrating offbeat discourses,..I will,once again, offer my sincere apologies,,,but the day that this site ,or board,or whatever it is,becomes limited to being some sterile,exclusive,retentive venue for snooty journalists to peruse,,,,then that's when my old ass will hit the fuckin' roadddd!..
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Comment #50 posted by SWAMPIE on September 05, 2002 at 19:25:14 PT
DEAR C-NEWS READERS.....
I respectfully submit my humblest apologies to each and everyone whom was offended,and I will sincerely try to lay off the"OFF-COLOR" humor.In the past,there have been alot of hurdles and developments,which can be as frustrating as well as cheerful,and I realize that some of what I say is off the wall.Still,the "turd"humor was only a way of going along with a long-running-kinda-wierd-sarcastic-melodramatic-jest about our government,and the way others of our EQUALS on this planet who are IDIOTS by CONFORMING to the "SHEEPLE-PRINCIPLE",meaning that "IF THAT EVER HAPPENS,I'LL EAT MY SOCKS"catch my drift?So I'll refrain to trying to make intelligent comments,as I won't go to "chatrooms",but if I have something to say,if FoM doesn't think that it is appropriate,then she may do what she wishes with it.{I don't want to put that on her shoulders,though,She already carries enough weight on them.}We all need to know one another so we can have rational discussions and exchange ideas,but let's not be mean about it,OK?I really hope that I didn't hurt anyone,I've had enough pain for 100 people in the last year.Thanx for ehearing what I had to say.Love, SWAMPIE
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Comment #49 posted by Dan B on September 05, 2002 at 16:48:51 PT:
Correction:
there is no "f" in "taking."Dan B
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Comment #48 posted by Dan B on September 05, 2002 at 16:48:00 PT:
Lehder
Thanks for your reply, and I appreciate you takinfg the time to explain your position more fully. I see what you are saying, and I agree. Comraderie is one thing, but there have been several times when the joking around has gone way over the top. I do stand by the apology to you, even if my apology to FoM may have been "misconscrewed." You have been a reasonable person at least 99% of the time, and I think it is also apparent that I misconstrued your constructive criticism as mere desire to control the crowd here. My apologies are offered to you, and I hope you accept. I was wrong to attack you like that, and I was wrong to completely misstate your intentions, which were and are noble.I remember a few years back when this board consisted of mostly intelligent comments about real issues. I learned a great deal from the people who took the time to comment at that time. I can see now, upon further reflection, how it has slipped from that lofty status into more of a free-for-all. It does take all kinds, I believe, but some of us can stand to use a bit more restraint. There was a time when almost everyone thought long and well before posting a comment, and I see now how radically it has shifted.There is such a thing as balance, and perhaps it is time for all of us at Cannabis News to re-examine what it is we want from this forum, then work to make it better. Perhaps, too, it wouldn't be a bad idea for those who want to use this forum as a chat room to download one of the many instant messaging systems and use that instead of the message boards. I think we can all agree that those who want to chat should be able to do so (perhaps even forming a kind of ICQ network for that purpose), but that they should try to refrain from cluttering the message boards here when they do so. Many people come here to seek the truth about cannabis and prohibition. If what they see is a bunch of silly, off-topic "stoner" banter then they will likely seek answers someplace else. Worse, they may reject the true message of this site altogether, opting instead for what they read on the DEA or ONDCP sites. And by then, we will have already lost the opportunity to educate.Dan B
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Comment #47 posted by Lehder on September 05, 2002 at 05:08:50 PT
okay
Dan, you've misconscrewed yourself - kaptinemo intended that I should apologize to FoM, and he's right: 'incompetently managed' was too unkind for such a nice and hard-working lady. Sorry, FoM.But FoM is far from helpless in the face of ill and infantile behavior as she claims. She's expunged comments from this board from time to time, including wholesale erasures that eliminated some good comments along with all of "Neil's," and on a few other occasions - and it was all for the good of our movement.A little more erasing, and without warning or explanation when people ought to know better, would raise the quality of discourse here, discipline those contributors who need discipline at times, attract numbers of serious-minded annotators and make this board more accessible and useful to journalists who would present our arguments in mainstream media. No busy journalist wants to trudge through forty or fifty or seventy comments looking for something substantial and printable. These, for me, are the important functions of this board.There is a link on the home page here to chat rooms where unrestricted and anything-goes banter may be appropriate. Humor and comraderie are all to the betterment of this board too, but an indulgence for one or a few contributors' obsessions with scatology, grossness, infantilism and adolescent sexuality can only promote the ruinous and inaccurate image of the Cheech-and-Chong pothead - a disservice to our cause. And if the here frequent topics of dog shit and cat shit are essential to humor and comraderie then people are only diminishing themselves - and others who might comment but turn away. Many people besides ultra-sensitive physicists have left this board; I could make a long list but am thinking in particular now of our one famous personality, a song-writer and singer whose tunes you know and who made some unique and powerful and tasteful contributions to this board. She left without a word so I cannot give the reason; but I also cannot for a second imagine her participating in the discussion of the first thirty or so comments on this thread. My point is that many have left, and we should try to be mature and decent here and realize that people are busy and come here to defeat antis and in in the hopes of seeing the defeat of the antis at our hand. I ahve no idea how long a list of potentially powerful contributors may have stopped, looked and decided not to listen.You are wrong that I would wish to control this board. I have offered sound and earnest advice, and when you are finished trashing its author ( all your blows have been wide ) consider the advice itself. Then have it your way.
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Comment #46 posted by Dan B on September 05, 2002 at 02:02:12 PT:
You're right, kaptinemo
About half of what I wrote in that last post was at best unsavory, at worst uncalled-for. So, I apologize to Lehder, and I apologize to FoM. The part I don't apologize for is my interest in knowing what Lehder has to say about the Free State Project. I think it would be great to hear him out and have a discussion about that issue and any others that have a bearing on our focus here, which is changing laws that prohibit cannabis. And I also don't apologize for my defense of FoM, who is doing a bang-up job here. Apologetic but not ashamed,Dan B
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Comment #45 posted by kaptinemo on September 04, 2002 at 12:51:42 PT:
AHEM!!!!!
Friends, we aren't the only ones reading this....so are the antis.In a word: CHILL! RIGHT NOW!This board is too important for any one ego to sink it. Any ego, mine included. It will not survive if all we have is homogenization. Leave that to the lockstep-marching, slogan-bleating, sixpack-swilling antis.Friends, I may spout off about things that many of you roll your eyes at and think "There he goes again! What's this got to do with the movement?" And you may be right. Well, need I point out the obvious converse? But no matter what the provocation, no matter what the language or personally disgusting metaphors, I've kept my emouth shut because way down deep, I know that what FoM has been doing is far more important than any one person's contribution, here. Would we have this place, more importantly, this kind of place, if it were not for her? You know that the quality of the discourse wouldn't be anywhere near the high order we are used to...because of her.Apologies to her are in order, here.
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Comment #44 posted by Dan B on September 04, 2002 at 11:40:51 PT:
Something to do with Physicists?
I have something to say to the physicists who seek to control Cannabis News with their continual threats of leaving: I won't lose any sleep if you leave. I'm tired of your ultra-sensitivity, and I'm tired of your insults. Many of us here post constructive comments at least 95% of the time, although some choose to have a little more fun than others. What is wrong with a little fun? What is wrong with building a bit of comaraderie? Why is it so difficult for you to enjoy other people?Look, all of us know that we are dealing with a very serious topic here. That is no secret. Yes, even dddd et al. understands the seriousness of what we are talking about here. Does he cross the line? Sure--and he admits it and apologizes when he offends someone. Can you not understand that some of us feel a need to vent once in a while? Can you not understand that some of us need a little humor in our lives every once in a while? Why must every post here at Cannabis News be formal and serious? Is there no room in the drug policy reform movement for people who enjoy communicating with other people? For people who enjoy a little humor with their serious conversation?To put this another way, if we are going to reach a broad cross-section of people, we need a broad cross-section of people commenting here. And while I completely understand the need to keep language that some would declare "foul" off the message board (I'll admit that I am an offender from time to time, and I promise to clean up my language), I think it is equally wrong to attempt to eliminate all levity from this conversation.With regard to the specific topics you wish to discuss, why not post a comment (not just links) on those topics and see if the rest of us wish to respond. Quite frankly, I am interested to know what your views are regarding the Free State Project, and I wouldn't mind in the least having a conversation about it. I am also interested to know how the Articles of Confederation, which we do not now live under as they were replaced by the Constitution, come to bear on the topic of drug policy reform. But, until today I have not seen a comment on either topic. Perhaps, you should explain your position on these topics if you want the rest of us to join in the debate over them. As to the comment about this board not being "competently managed," I think the problem for you is that you are not the one "managing" it. If you were, nobody would comment here as nobody would stick around to endure your attacks. Chill out. FoM is doing an outstanding job here. She's trying to create a balance without censoring everything that is said. Her job is not as easy as it may appear to you.Dan B
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Comment #43 posted by dddd on September 04, 2002 at 07:18:34 PT
...furthermore,,,,,come to think of it..
..."... I'm not even going to read this board any longer. It's a disservice to the cause. This board is not
competently managed and it cannot attract the kinds of people who could help.
"
..."a disservice to the cause."..(?)....".. not
competently managed.."...... what kind of weirdass ,,low blow is that Lehder!?....I think the 'management' is just fine here!,,,and if you want to open a discussion on certain topics,,,,this is an excellent place to do it!..dont be talkin' down this place!...if you dont like it,,turn the page,,or change the channel...I happen to think this is a nice place.........Respectfully yours....dddd
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Comment #42 posted by dddd on September 04, 2002 at 07:04:42 PT
...Hey,,,Hang on there Lehder...
...,,,I'm glad you finally spoke up.....even though I consider the chat-room like exchanges to be somewhat harmless,,they have probably got out of hand....,I have alot of respect for you and your opinions and comments... And I think you are right,,this is probably not the place to get involved in trivial musings about offbeat material ,,or debates concerning expletives..
..so,,,I will avoid wandering off on such tangents from this point on....I hope you will not desert us.
sincerely....dddd
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Comment #41 posted by FoM on September 04, 2002 at 06:42:49 PT
Lehder
I'm sorry. I try very hard. I don't know how to control the board any better then I do.
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Comment #40 posted by SWAMPIE on September 04, 2002 at 06:22:59 PT
Sr.LEHDER.....PLEASE DON'T GET IMPATIENT!!
As a faithful reader of C-NEWS,and one who wishes to meet EVERYONE of our generous contributors who take the time out of their day to post comments about the articles that FoM has so graciously taken the time to put on this site,along with others contributions as well,I find your comment to be hostile,and do take offense to it.As the saying goes"Rome wasn't built in a day",and even though this article is about TOM AND ROLLIE,sometimes you have to take a break!Maybe WHEN cannabis is LEGALIZED we can deal with other matters,but when you spend all of your time on the matter at hand,not thinking about anything else,it is called"OBSESSION"!You have the right to think and say what you want here,and you are a valuable contributor to this site,but DON'T quit this site!We are all equal and the party is gonna be awesome!!!!I will read your links later,but now I have to go to work.PEACE!SWAMPIE
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Comment #39 posted by SWAMPIE on September 04, 2002 at 05:52:20 PT
...dddd...
I'd love to have a parts-kazoo!Right now work is very slow,but hang onto it.I still have your addy,and perhaps we can reach a deal on it.BTW,Mine is blue,with alot of the paint worn off from all the years of use.I think my dad paid $179.00 for it new,and the guitar bible lists a single-pickup model $600.Is the faceplate in good condition?I'll have to get back to this later,as I have to go to work now.THANX...SWAMPIE
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Comment #38 posted by Lehder on September 04, 2002 at 05:47:14 PT
Dopes
Whenever I see a thread with thirty or more comments I know pretty much what to expect: dog shit, old music, wisdom on the word "fuck".... I'm not even going to read this board any longer. It's a disservice to the cause. This board is not competently managed and it cannot attract the kinds of people who could help. Here are a couple of the topics that I'd like to discuss:
http://www.freestateproject.org/articles.htm#STATES
http://odur.let.rug.nl/~usa/D/1776-1800/constitution/confart.htm but this is not the place.
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Comment #37 posted by dddd on September 04, 2002 at 05:41:18 PT
..I got one too!...
..It's a white,SG style Kalamazoo that I bought on ebay several years ago....it has the original single coil pickups, and funky whammy bar bridge...I only paid 60 bucks for it.....It looks like someone did a Pete Townsend to it,as the body is cracked near the neck ..it's a project for a rainy day....lemme know if ya need any parts....dddd
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Comment #36 posted by pppp on September 04, 2002 at 05:25:57 PT
...yup...
..we love 'em!.....they're worth it!
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Comment #35 posted by SWAMPIE on September 04, 2002 at 05:24:27 PT
KALAMAZOOdddd....
Sho' enough!It's still in the original case,although the stitching is deteriorating/rotting from age.Fender-style neck too,w/Schaller keys.
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Comment #34 posted by SWAMPIE on September 04, 2002 at 05:19:07 PT
TURD -CONVERTERS......
We have 14 of those,one of which is a dog.We had 2 more,but they died last year.They'll even eat sauerkraut,fried green tomatoes,hot sausage,broccoli......Gotta love it!!
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Comment #33 posted by dddd on September 04, 2002 at 05:15:40 PT
...Kalamazoo...
...I knew that,,,but my mind is sorta fuzzy....is your Kalamazoo an "SG" body style?.dddd
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Comment #32 posted by pppp on September 04, 2002 at 05:10:26 PT
..SWAMPIE....I have a turd maker too..
...except mine is a dog food to turd converter.......I buy the raw material in the form of dog food,,,and feed it to him,,and he converts it into turds......he's an expert at it.....probably due to years of experience.
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Comment #31 posted by SWAMPIE on September 04, 2002 at 05:10:25 PT
dddd.....Zappa....
I heard those Palmdale things too,but if you go to ZAPPA.COM.the site is from Pennsylvania.Coincidence?
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Comment #30 posted by SWAMPIE on September 04, 2002 at 05:06:44 PT
SWAMPIES got an AX......
I have a modified '69 Kalamazoo with the serial#004609.I took off the whammie bar and put on a "Badass Bridge,dual Humbuckers,and a phase-reversal switch.The strings are so close to the neck that you can do almost anything with it.I also have an Epiphone 12 string flat top,and an Ovation Applause 6-string electric-accoustic,but it's been beat to Hell and back.Also have a 1917/18 Brambach baby-grand piano that I bought for $70.00 and plays well.I also play harmonica.If you're comin'to OHIGHO,let me know,we'll jam. Gotta go water my babies.SWAMPIE
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Comment #29 posted by dddd on September 04, 2002 at 05:01:14 PT
....WOW SWAMPIE...
..I've never heard of this Zappa history thing!...As far as I knew,,Frank was from Lancaster,or Palmdale California....
...dddd
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Comment #28 posted by SWAMPIE on September 04, 2002 at 04:45:41 PT
B Green...pppp...
Thanx for bringing back some great memories.I wonder what Frank would have to say now about the state that the world is in.As a kid,I was friends with a guy,and his 6 other siblings,who swear to this day that Zappa was a cousin of theirs.I never met him personally,but his name as I was told by them[even their parents]was Francis Keener and he had been put into his new identity by the government because someone was after him.They all come from W.Virginia.Have either of you heard of this?It's a bit hard to believe,and I never knew whether to believe it or not,but they still insist that the story is true.dddd,I also saw Flo and Eddie with Zappa,and the vocals were incredible as well as the music.I'd give my left nut to see and meet them and party with them for an evening.I never made it as a fulltime guitarist,although [not bragging]I am quite a good guitarist.My younger brother has met and jammed with Ted Nugent,Crissy Hynde,Edgar Winters,and more,although I can't remember them all.I'm glad that I taught him to play.Last time I saw him play they covered"Tie your mother down"by Queen and he did the solo perfectly.It ran chills up my spine to hear them play that in his living room.He likes to smoke,but doesn't want anything to do with our cause.He's a Cancer.I'm a Virgo.Oh well.....time to feed the cat-turd makers!!!!LOL!!!
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Comment #27 posted by qqqq on September 04, 2002 at 04:32:24 PT
hey man
...SWAMPIE's got an ax!...I believe it's a vintage Epiphone!......who knows,,,he could probably make dddd look like a neophyte!(?)...... ya know,,,with just a slight quirk of fate,,,Bob Barr would be one of the Allman Brothers,and Asa Hutchinson would be the founder of Lynard Skynard!(?)
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Comment #26 posted by BGreen on September 04, 2002 at 04:04:10 PT
We're good people and deserve to be free!
I don't know why they hate us so much. dddd can relate to what it's like to be BGreen. I'm a performer and an artist. Not exactly like "Joe Average," your typical republican yuckie yuppie. I can entertain people, but I can't be different and smoke cannabis. SWAMPIE can relate because like all of us he has been entertained and moved in a very emotional way by us performers.
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Comment #25 posted by pppp on September 04, 2002 at 03:43:34 PT
...Believe it or Not....
...I went to see Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention,..I was in the 7th grade,,('67/68')..The show was at the Moore Theater in Seattle,and Flo & Eddie made an appearance in the Zappa set!....It was a kind of obscene type show...
......SWAMPIE....I have "melted into my seat" on more than one occassion,,,in fact,,I have melted,,and then dribbled down onto the floor,,and flowed downhill underneath other seats in the form of some kind of goo,, slathering over the cold cement,,sticky with the residues of spilled soft drinks,and encrusted popcorns....
...come to think of it,,,it's too bad I was so stoned,,otherwise I might have tried to see if I could have looked up some chicks skirts while I was flowing down underneath the audience,,in the goo form.(?)...these things usually only happen once in a lifetime.....and I guess that's a good thing..
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Comment #24 posted by SWAMPIE on September 04, 2002 at 03:11:56 PT
Pat Marino..John McLauglin.....Zappa.......
What amazingly accomplished musicians!I have been lucky enough in my life to have seen them all,and they were some of the best to see live when stoned.How about Flo and Eddie and the TURTLES?I saw them at ahe Akron civic Theatre in 1976?What a show!Before they came on,the whole place went dark and after a couple minutes there was thunder and lightning which was very realistic,and as this was going on,these guys came running up and down the aisles with these 2-foot across pots full of burning incense.They fogged-up the whole building with the smoke,which after the show started,I became so stoned that I was 'melting'into the seat.All I smoked was a joint but it wasn't that.I taped the show on a pocket cassette recorder."Sparks"also played that night.dddd,Bgreen,FoM;You are all the coolest in my book!Now if only I would write it!!!By the way,FoM,yes I am a Diesel truck mechanic/professional transmission/and differential rebuilder/welder/you name it!LOL!!! SWAMPIE
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Comment #23 posted by dddd on September 04, 2002 at 01:24:52 PT
...Right On B.....
...I knew you would be hep about Pat!....
....cool old guitar album:.....Extrapolation,,by John McGlaughlin,,,,.......("My Goals Beyond",too),,,,,,,,[(and come to think of it,,"Inner Mounting Flame",,and "Birds of Fire",,also)]
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Comment #22 posted by BGreen on September 04, 2002 at 00:59:12 PT
Yeah, what a story Pats' life has been
I guess he had to completely relearn how to play after brain surgery. He's learned more twice than I have once.
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Comment #21 posted by dddd on September 04, 2002 at 00:40:59 PT
...good to see ya...
..BGreen,you old %#*&^%& sonuva%*#&#$*...you are also an extra cool cat.......Are you hep to jazz guitarist Pat Martino?.....dddd
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Comment #20 posted by BGreen on September 04, 2002 at 00:29:08 PT
I think Ashcroft and Hutchinson, et al. would
make Jesus cuss. At least Ghandi and Mother Theresa. Jesus really came down hard on those who were oppressors and had the softest heart when it came to the sick and the oppressed. This is historically documented in non-Christian writings, so whether you believe He was the Son of God or just somebody like Hillary Black, He was just the type to be on our side, fighting for Gods' gift of healing and enjoyment known as cannabis.Now, a few words for the prohibitionists:%$# &*$&$*# ^%&*#&** * ^&%!& ^ *($* !% ^!^&B ^#V !^ &!* #^!#%#! $$% !!*#, and your momma dresses you funny!
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Comment #19 posted by dddd on September 03, 2002 at 23:59:34 PT
......P.S........
...Hi SWAMPIE......you are a cool cat.....dddd
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Comment #18 posted by dddd on September 03, 2002 at 23:56:38 PT
...I am an "offender",in this profanity thing
...I have pushed the envelope with wayward and seemingly casual violations of bad words...... It is no easy matter to decide which words,,in what context qualify as "profane".. ...I'm not sure what Greenfoxs' original "profanity" looked like,,but,,.I think that obscured,or masked profanity is OK!....like,,for example,,if I wanted to say "motherf*#%*r",,I think that it would be a polite enough way to say it.,,,but I could be wrong(?)....
....I dont know,,,,but I think that most everyone nowdays,,knows and uses the word "fuck".,,,and if someone wants to use it to express a feeling,,then it's OK by me.... and if someone wants,or needs to use it,and they are polite enough to write the f*#cking thing like that,,then that's even nicer..........
....as always,,,I say too much..and the bottom line is what FoM feels is the proper mode of expression,,and I respect anything FoM prefers,,,,,BUT,,,I do think that certain terms that were once considered "profane", are now part of the language we know and use.........I guess that there is such a thing as the "tastefull" use of profanity(?).. ....
....then again,,,,I dont really know what the fuck I'm talkin' about,,bein' that I out here in Outer Space... ........indeedddd
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Comment #17 posted by FoM on September 03, 2002 at 22:43:49 PT:
Swampie
I hope everything works out for everyone. Life's too short to be miserable. You never know when your time will be up so why waste it fussing and fighting my friend. Sounds like a song I'd say. I put in my email address. Are you a semi truck mechanic? If so I'd like to know. Summit county is way up north and I'm sorta way down south. A lot of hills down here. If I remember Summit county it's fairly flat. E mail me when you have time.
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Comment #16 posted by SWAMPIE on September 03, 2002 at 22:30:43 PT
DEAREST FoM..
I agree wholehearetedly,we all know that you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar!LOL!The BIG question is:How do we as a group get more people to address the legalization issue and actually get them interested enough about the issue to get them off their 'arses to work with us?The way life is going for us right now,were about to move into the"Old Hippies Retirement Home",but we don't know where it is!My wife is slowly warming up to the idea of BFE as a place to live,but I grow more weary by the day
woondering what is going to happen in this country/world,and some DEFINITE changes need to be made.I envy you.Not jealous,though!!LOL!!!What county are you in?Maybe we could get together[all of us]and talk.We are in Summit county.Maybe the "Old Hippies Retirement Home"isn't a bad idea!It could be the first in the world!!BTW,I am a truck mechanic,if were close enough!You have my address,if you want to talk more. If you lost it,let me know. PEACE/LOVE/HERBS>>>>>>SWAMPIE
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Comment #15 posted by FoM on September 03, 2002 at 21:42:48 PT
Oh Swampie!
I don't understand why people get angry at each other so much online. I live in my own little la la land and am happy to have met all of you. Each person brings something unique to this news board. I respect people and in turn I hope to be respected. That's my way of looking at it all. I am who I am but I respect others including those who don't understand why we care so much about changing the current drug laws. We are only a small part of the world but we should have a strong voice for change. Without all the input I wouldn't know anything about the drug war or all the things it is tangled up in.
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Comment #14 posted by SWAMPIE on September 03, 2002 at 21:08:07 PT
FoM..........GREENFOX....DADGUMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!
I'S just about to have a HISSY-FIT about all this"POLITICIN'"Yes,some of our comments may be a bit"BRASH",and we have lost some commentors because of the fact that some readers couldn't take a bit of jeering or constructive criticism.In the past,dddd/pppp/bbbb/qqqq said that he'd eat a fully-ripe-cat-turd in-jest/gest? Why have we all turned on each other?The crux of the biscuit is that"Some people prefer cupcakes better,but I for one care less for them"ZAPPA/BEEFHEART.What I am trying to say is that all of us should use good language-skills,and be adept in our points and views,sometimes use verbal-veracity to get the point made,but at the same time refrain from words such as:A$$HOLE,mfsob,and any others that may come to mind for those who CHOOSE to think them.I,for one,do us these terms,but out of RESPECT for my cannabis-brethren,I choose NOT to use these words in most of my comments.I love this website,and no matter what,I will continue to read this most-valuable news site!I am not offended by others' comments,although I can see the point that others could be offended by some of the language.By the way,I finally registered to vote.After 45 years on this planet,WHY NOT?Let's keep this a respectable site as we never know who might be reading it and we don't want to offend ANYONE who may come to this site and actually learn the TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ONWARDTHROUGHTHEFOG!!!!!!!!!!SWAMPIE
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Comment #13 posted by The GCW on September 03, 2002 at 19:43:31 PT
MORE, From Indiana...
If your pet was sick and you knew what was wrong with it, you wouldn't take it to an animal shelter to be warehoused, would you? I think not! You would take it to the veterinarian to get it some treatment! If you have that much compassion over an animal, why not have that much for a human? LTE: PENAL SYSTEM http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v02/n1642/a02.html?397
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Comment #12 posted by FoM on September 03, 2002 at 15:38:22 PT
i420
Very good idea! Thanks!
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Comment #11 posted by i420 on September 03, 2002 at 15:25:42 PT
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Warner Brothers gets away with it in cartoons we see them everyday in the newspapers cartoons so why not # !! express ourselves in a way not to offend. They didn't make these cool **$#%&^## charactors for nothing.
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Comment #10 posted by FoM on September 03, 2002 at 14:08:43 PT
greenfox
Bless you heart! I really appreciate it. I'm not a Clint Eastwood type but darnit I have to try to get everyone to sit around and smoke a peacepipe. That's shouldn't be hard for most here!
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Comment #9 posted by greenfox on September 03, 2002 at 13:59:41 PT
No problem...lessseeee....
Let's have a fun little game, everyone. Let's try to describe nasty republican scum in the WORST ways possible without swearing. I'll start:Bushy wushy is a dabble-type roustabout. He drools ignorance and spews forth hatred. The man has a small willy, and some say he enjoys a good bra or two. Not to be confused for faeces, he has been known to wear hats. As the tradition of hat-wearing is usually associated to humans, bushy wushy can avoid the often embarassing even of being confused with streaming faeces. (there I didn't swear) ;P :)=-gf
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Comment #8 posted by FoM on September 03, 2002 at 13:36:50 PT
greenfox
Thanks for understanding. We need to care for everyone who reads or posts here. My feelings about what is said or not said isn't really an issue but I do respect people who care enough to ask me to try to stop the language. I'm not a boss just a peacemaker I hope.
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Comment #7 posted by greenfox on September 03, 2002 at 13:28:11 PT
Disagreements
To FoM: I love this board, I've been visiting it for years. However, it saddens me that a board discussing marijuana couldn't have a little lattitude regarding censorship. Everyone is of course entitled to their voice, and that's why I believe one SHOULD be able to yell "fire" in a crowded room and I also believe people should be allowed to swear. For me, profane words are the way I express the Zenith of my anger. They set a tone, and in a way it wakes people up. In the matter of the "kids", I think that if parents have a problem with free discussion on the internet, however tame or profane it may be, they should take better care to watch their children or perhaps add security to their computers. Nowadays, many computers are built with such features, however if these are lacking try::kw=net+nanny">http://www.familycow.com/netnanny.html?gtse=goto>kw=net+nannyIn response to the issue of my particular "swearing" habbit on THIS site, I will refrain for I'm not one to offend, HOWEVER.... I simply thought I might voice my opinion on this matter..... it's good thought......and seriously, there are horrific things happening in this world everyday. People are being burned alive in Iraq, people are starving in China, and of course, people are being arrested in the usa for marijuana offenses.... if we can't seriously examine these things in the fullness of our language, if we are restricted from speech in a pseudo-1984 style .... then what change can we ever make? The smallest fish can make the biggest waves...sly in green, foxy in kind..-gf
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Comment #6 posted by Sam Adams on September 03, 2002 at 12:13:51 PT
Murder? hardly
Murder is when you just kill someone. I would rate this more like "conquest". Considering they 1) raided and seized his land and home 2) took his kid away 3) killed him. Tom and Rollie were ethnically cleansed by their own government.
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Comment #5 posted by FoM on September 03, 2002 at 11:40:05 PT
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Comment #4 posted by FoM on September 03, 2002 at 10:54:20 PT
Nuevo Mexican
I'm the one that gets the emails and I need to ask that we stop for the sake of everyone. It's not hard to do.
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Comment #3 posted by Nuevo Mexican on September 03, 2002 at 10:46:56 PT
I'm offended by murder, not expressions of disgust
Sorry for this rant, but....Please keep in mind the context here FOM, there is no profanity that correctly describes the anger, frustration, and sadness we feel over the murder of our outspoken American Patriots, please don't nitpick over something as overwhelming as this FOM, no ones could be offended by 'F & &', not quite sure why this would bother you, I am OUTRAGED and this event was just a precurser to 911. Where was the FBI, not doing their taxpayer funded job of fighting terrorism, but murdering the most Patriotic of American citizens for their use of Cannabis. We all knew here that this was the 'shot across the bow' and today we have Tom Ridge telling us the drugs finance the war on terror, what a bunch of 'F & &' BS, as we all know the gas we put in our cars everyday is the most massive way we support terrorism, and thus isn't mentioned by the oil-slurping corporate whores, that are the true terrorists!
Get ready for another massive deception, sponsored by your tax dollars, and the shadow government that currently runs this country, but not from the shadows anymore, but right out in the open, posing as your current illegitamate leaders. Keep up the good work FOM, and Greenfox, thanks for expressing how most of us feel here at C-news!
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Comment #2 posted by FoM on September 03, 2002 at 10:02:57 PT
greenfox
Please try to keep the language in check. I'll change it but won't delete the post. We can voice our anger without language that offends many people. Thanks.
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Comment #1 posted by greenfox on September 03, 2002 at 10:00:20 PT
MURDER!
It disgusts me that in the wake of all this political nonsense, people can so quickly forget that Tom was murdered. These political F & & are selling the farm because they know when the kid turns 18, he may use it the way his father wanted it to be used- to legalize marijuana.-gfq
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