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Bust The Kids, Pass The Bong 
Posted by CN Staff on August 16, 2002 at 18:36:13 PT
By Mike Males
Source: Orange County Weekly 
Drug legalization lobbies once spoke honorable, scholarly truths: alcohol and tobacco are America’s most abused drugs; marijuana is not unduly perilous for adults and teens; criminalizing drugs does more damage than drugs do. But no more. Pot legalizers now gush save-the-children demagogueries loonier than Nancy Reagan’s. In Nevada, for example, the Marijuana Policy Project (MPP) is offering to sacrifice kids so that adult potheads can hit the bong with impunity.
MPP is behind a November ballot initiative that would allow Nevadans 21 and older to score, stash and smoke up to three lids each while requiring the state’s Legislature to "provide or maintain" criminal "penalties for . . . the possession or use of marijuana by persons who have not attained the age of 21 years." MPP’s initiative could have softened these barbarisms, but no: they plan ads trumpeting how their measure "protects children"—with handcuffs. The ultimate lunacy is that youths aren’t the drug problem in Nevada or here at home. Of Orange County’s 200 drug-related deaths in 2000, 175 (88 percent) were over age 30; just five (less than a quarter of 1 percent) were under 21. Today’s young people handle drugs better because they abstain altogether or stick to milder stuff, like beer or marijuana. Teenage pot smoking creates few risks, but policing it does: teens comprised half the county’s 6,000 simple marijuana-possession arrests in 2000, creating legal, school and job sanctions. Prediction: these troubling realities won’t be raised by anyone in Nevada’s upcoming campaign histrionics.Nevada’s initiative underscores today’s callous hypocrisy: the more American adults expand and abuse "adult rights," the more viciously we banish and punish youths to keep them from acting like adults. Do Nevada and American grown-ups deserve another party drug when they insist on imprisoning youths for the normal adolescent task of learning to use it?Mike Males, a UC Irvine social ecology Ph.D., teaches sociology at UC Santa Cruz. Source: Orange County Weekly (CA)Author: Mike MalesPublished: Vol. 7 No. 50 August 16 - 22, 2002 Copyright: 2002, O.C. Weekly Media, Inc.Contact: letters ocweekly.comWebsite: http://www.ocweekly.com/Related Articles & Web Sites:NRLEhttp://www.nrle.org/Marijuana Policy Projecthttp://www.mpp.org/Are Nevadans Ready To Roll Dice on Marijuanahttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread13765.shtmlPot Proponents Have Good Points http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread13757.shtmlNevada Blazes Trail for Legal Marijuana http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread13689.shtml 
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Comment #73 posted by schmeff on August 17, 2002 at 09:46:03 PT
ooops...
..when I went to 'bed' Fri. night...
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Comment #72 posted by schmeff on August 17, 2002 at 09:44:50 PT
Saturday Morning Confusion
When I went to be Fri. night, it was a Fri. night much like any other.And yet I wake up Sat. morning to discover that I am wealthier by 280 points, with no effort on my part whatsoever! Thanks 4D...once I hit 420, I'm definitely redeeming them for that John Ashcroft Secret Decoder Ring I've been coveting!!!
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Comment #71 posted by BGreen on August 17, 2002 at 09:14:47 PT
I smoked cannabis for the first time at age 13
I consumed a lot of columbian gold and other cannabis throughout high school with a whole bunch of people who have gone on to become quite successful in their given fields. None of them got caught and put in jail, or else their careers would be non-existant.NOBODY should go to jail for cannabis!
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Comment #70 posted by Zero_G on August 17, 2002 at 08:49:27 PT
BGreen
Well, I hadn't thought of that...But:If they eat off of the same plate, and toke the same number, they can share the points, as well.
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Comment #69 posted by BGreen on August 17, 2002 at 08:40:54 PT
Thanks Zero_G
Do qqqq, bbbb, pppp, and dddd split a third, or do they share equally with the rest of us?
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Comment #68 posted by Zero_G on August 17, 2002 at 08:14:12 PT
Bust the teens...
So how many of us who started smokin' in our teens are now mouthing the "save the kids" rhetoric?Not I, for one."Hey teacher, leave those kids alone..."For that matter, I don't much like the accusation that you often here from med-marijuana proponents, that closing the the med-pot clubs forces people to buy in the street and become involved with dealers of "hard drugs".There is some of the that, no doubt, but, there is also a large part of the market that goes on in peoples homes, by people who sincerly only deal in cannabis.It is all a matter of public perception, and the inner-city drug bazaars are easy targets. But that doesn't make them the norm, just the most visible and most easily demonized.And the laws on the books now actually cause reruitment of teens into the drug trade as runners, mules, etc., as the penalties for them is so much less than for adults.Go figure.And hears a cheer for the late night crew.Split a thousand points between you...
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Comment #67 posted by qqqq on August 17, 2002 at 04:37:13 PT
...gosh....Thread Abuse?...
...what a rally!....it's almost embarassing...I hope it doesnt distort,or compromise the "hit" counter tallys for Cnews. ......if every comment counts as a "hit",,and that number counts as some popularity rating,,then it's easy to see how dubyas ratings remain so high.(?)...
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Comment #66 posted by pppp on August 17, 2002 at 03:58:47 PT
..far be it from me to be stingy with points..
....sorry bbbb shorted ya BG....here's another 389 for ya,,,and 11 Extra Bonus Value points for makin' ya hassle with replying...so that makes a total of 779,,,,plus 11 Extra Bonus Value points...too bad the points are worth little more than Worldcom stock....better than nuthin'....I guess.....you keep track of all this shit,,and we'll pay ya later.
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Comment #65 posted by BGreen on August 17, 2002 at 03:40:53 PT
What? Not 400 points?
...389 more points BGreen!!Was I penalized 11 points for some violation?Judges?
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Comment #64 posted by BGreen on August 17, 2002 at 03:35:49 PT
Have you ever seen this site, Indy?
Maybe you could help their search for pictures.
LARGE CANADIAN ROADSIDE ATTRACTIONS
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Comment #63 posted by bbbb on August 17, 2002 at 03:34:42 PT
eye thot thuh moovee wuz stoopenduss
...389 more points BGreen!!.......you're way cooler than I already thought you were
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Comment #62 posted by dddd on August 17, 2002 at 03:30:53 PT
...ya know...
..I've been a clown for many years....,Even the most stoic and morose people I work for,........Even,the oldest ,grumpiest,bitterest, ,retentive, prudent, hateful ,,suspicious, old ,arrogant, priggish, pompous,geriatric ,butt-clenching, prune people from hell,,,I try to make them laugh,or at least chuckle.....,,I consider it a challenge to cheer them up,,and make them laugh! .and amongst the people who have known me for years,,and are my close friends...I consider it sort of a challenge to make them laugh too....even my Brother and Sister,,and my Dad ,I have this fake stupid system that awards "points",for saying things that are funny,,,in other words,,when my friend mmmm says some irreverant or ribald joke that makes me howl,,I say;; "that was too good,,,,gotta give ya 400 points"..,,and now I have friends who award me points for making them laugh........anyway,,,,this whole "points(*)" thing means nothing,,but it is something I have sorta developed,and used,,when excellent joking occurred........Many times,,I have been tempted to introduce it,and use it here in this forum,,,,but I hated the thought of complicating everything with some idiotic rating system,that could spur some stupid,false competitive sidetrack........so..anyway ..if you're still with me,,,,A few weeks back,I almost broke down and started the points thing,when Schmeff said the;"time to put the toys away" ,comment......but BGreen made it so I had to start awarding points...I cackled bigtime from that hillbilly response...I owe ya 198 points BGreen,,and I owe Schmeff 280....
...remember..."points" are worthless ...people owe me millions of points,,and I owe other people billions of points!..I will never pay off any of the the points I owe,,but I figure,that in todays world,where people live in houses they havnt paid for,,and drive cars they dont "own"...awarding these "points",is like giving out the potential benifits and value,that are similar or paralell to the huge sums of money that exsist within the good life of the house and shiny car that many people are using,but havnt paid for...alot of people drive nice brand new cars,,but most of them must spend the next three years paying for them..Alot of people "buy" houses,,but most of them will be slaving for 30 years to actually own them...."Points",,are kinda like the money people havnt paid yet....you get the prestige of having the points,,,but they are only valuable in your mind....this was a shitty,and confused, attempt at an explanation...maybe that'll teach you to waste time reading dddd
 
(*).."points",,used to be dollars....["pay ya later....soon as I win the lottery"...]
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Comment #61 posted by BGreen on August 17, 2002 at 03:28:05 PT
I like to feel good
and I felt pretty crummy after that movie.
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Comment #60 posted by Industrial Strength on August 17, 2002 at 03:19:44 PT
It sure was strange
but it really stands out. I'm actually sort of ambivalent to it. I almost don't know whether I liked it or not.
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Comment #59 posted by BGreen on August 17, 2002 at 03:04:03 PT
I don't know
It was a disturbing movie, and I didn't really enjoy it.
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Comment #58 posted by Industrial Strength on August 17, 2002 at 02:50:59 PT
you sure have a purty mouth
I still dont get what happened when Voight shot that hillbilly but shot himself at the same time??
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Comment #57 posted by BGreen on August 17, 2002 at 02:36:48 PT
I don't know, bbbb
but if there's any pig squealing I'm off this river with or without you guys.Honestly, I went to Six Flags Holland and we heard them play "Dueling Banjos" over the PA system. I didn't know if it was a tribute to me or a warning to everyone else. LOL
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Comment #56 posted by Industrial Strength on August 17, 2002 at 02:20:58 PT
as altered as I am?
The last two posts confuse me.
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Comment #55 posted by bbbb on August 17, 2002 at 02:17:20 PT
naim thuh sawng. itz frum a moovee
duh duh deer duh dair doh dair doh dong
 
duh duh deer duh dair doh dair doh dong
 
......duh duh deer duh dair doh dair doh dong
 
 
.....duh duh deer duh dair doh dair doh dong
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Comment #54 posted by BGreen on August 17, 2002 at 02:06:11 PT
Sniff, sniff
bbbb, I reckon I's a might homesick.
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Comment #53 posted by Industrial Strength on August 17, 2002 at 02:03:35 PT
I like TV
There is a giant mass of absolute garbage on television, but there are quite a few quality shows and channels out there that are not only incredibly entertaining but sometimes even educational. There is an "Independent Film" channel which is great and movie channels that show a pretty diverse cross section of movies. This is only sub par Canadian satellite as well. Most of the stuff broadcasted is in fact worth smashing the set over, but there is a giant amount of stuff being aired so there are still are quite a few decent shows.
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Comment #52 posted by bbbb on August 17, 2002 at 02:01:49 PT
..BGreen...
...here's the hillbilly version::
 
 
dicclaymur...
 
iffen ya all took sum disrespekt frum the thaing that eye rote eye didunt meen no harm. dont be blaymin' me if ya git awl pissed awf,,cause eye wuz just goofin awf....git a lyfe
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Comment #51 posted by qqqq on August 17, 2002 at 01:55:20 PT
..Well Said Paul Peterson...
..You are amazing!....Never stop.
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Comment #50 posted by dddd on August 17, 2002 at 01:50:10 PT
.......My Good Friend Indy..........
...could very well perhaps benifit from smashing a TV,,,I might even encourage it!.....I am somewhat jealous of Indy,,,,,shit,,he's pushin' 20,,and my old ass is pushin' FIFTY........fuck man...when I was around that age,,the juices were flowin',,and things were being learned,,and I was angry,,yet happy....
 
 
...Indy can easily defend himself,,,,but if the going gets rough,,old uncle dddd will call old qqqq,,who will email pppp,,and if Indys ass needs kickin',,I'll help ya kick it,,but unless you're the same age as Indy,,dont be so rough on him....He loves to get goats,,and he has been known to hit below the belt with reckless outbursts,and hasty retorts!....and that's the way it is,,,,,and I like it!
 
 
....how old might you be Canaman?,,My friendddd
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Comment #49 posted by BGreen on August 17, 2002 at 01:47:39 PT
as A idea?
Oh, man, that sounds SO hillbilly.DISCLAIMER: The preceding statement was presented as a joke, solely for entertainment purposes. Any resemblance to an actual person or persons besides myself was unintentional, and no offense was meant to anyone. No animals were harmed during the creation or the presentation of this comedic work.
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Comment #48 posted by PAUL PETERSON on August 17, 2002 at 01:47:37 PT:
NICE TOUCH!
OK, those "anti's" use this "save the children" argument right after they say that "medical marijuana" is just a "stalking horse" for total legalization (and of course, they really go out on a limb when they then argue that us "legalizers" want to legalize ALL DRUGS, etc.)So the policy makers that want to run a referendum figure out how to best craft the law to appeal to the largest possible "demographic" and they use the "save the children" argument as cogently as they can ie: we don't mean that KIDS will be able to get pot, right?OK, these "social ecologists" fall into two groups 1) the radicals & 2) reformers which sometimes disagree pointedly on these subjects-this Mike Males obviously is in the "radical" group, make alternative institutions, don't compromise ideals, etc. The Nevada initiative is obviously more the "reformer's agenda, start with NOW & try to move TO THE FUTURE GRADUALLY, ONE STEP AT A TIME.In other words, 1) make pot legal for adults, 2) which will then change the "stigma", 3) kids that get busted then won't have to carry the same stigma as at present, 4) they will be treated like underage drinkers (and rather leniently, no doubt, unless there is driving involved), 5) after society gets used to this thing, and the relative lack of ANY danger to kids from "casual" usage of pot & 6) the age limit will likely drop quicker and farther than the age limit for alcohol (that will signal the beginning of rationality in our legislatures when they can accept this fact). We all should recognise that we must start somewhere, with perhaps half truths that logically don't add up-like 1) legalizing MM but not providing for a legal means of procuring this stuff, 2) decriminalizing small possession but increasing penalties for selling the stuff, 3) totally legalizing 3 ounces but harshly treating kids! All three are merely stop-gap measures to mollify the greatest portion of opponents so this progress can be made.Mike Males has done an excellent job of "forecasting" the next logical level of development in a developing societal acceptance of these things. He sounds radical at this time and this is to be accepted as merely an example of just how far we have to go on this road.God bless him for being the harbinger of the next logical development in the genre. A year ago he would not even have had the guts to speak out, let alone to be this "radical" in public. HEY BABY, WE HAVE COME A LONG WAY, EH? Keep up this pace and we all might be talking about total legalizing of all drugs within a year, right? (We have a few "bugs" to work out, of course, like the way to differential between "problem users" of whatever drugs we are discussing at the time and the benign "social users", etc., and design programs to help only the needy with help, and avoid the stigma for all who enter such gates!).Articles like this are really good to be seeing finally, and the dissent from cannabis legalizers is refreshing as well (finally we can see "legaliizers" being caught with incompletely fleshed out ideas and models-THE PACE OF THE MOVEMENT IS ACCELERATING, RIGHT?)! 
(just a boring web site with my articles, nothing pretty)
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Comment #47 posted by BGreen on August 17, 2002 at 01:44:18 PT
Use my disclaimer as a idea for an original
I'm sure we all could use a disclaimer, and I'm sure there could be some clever ideas amongst you. I still don't like the fact that people have gotten upset and left the community.
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Comment #46 posted by Industrial Strength on August 17, 2002 at 01:32:53 PT
literature
What do you think of Conrad?
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Comment #45 posted by Industrial Strength on August 17, 2002 at 01:29:16 PT
I prefer
to be uninsured, as it were. No disclaimer for me, add an element of mystery to my off colour (thats with a U damn it, sound it out) posts... oooooo, reckless.
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Comment #44 posted by pppp on August 17, 2002 at 01:25:19 PT
...BGreen...
...I want every one of my comments to be covered by your disclaimer from now on...I am willing to pay royalties or fees,,even if it's not copyrighted,,or you havnt registered with ASCAP...hope ya dont mind.
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Comment #43 posted by canaman on August 17, 2002 at 01:25:12 PT
everythings fine
I still think Indy might want to kill the T.V.
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Comment #42 posted by BGreen on August 17, 2002 at 01:18:17 PT
The preceding comment by me
was brought to you by 20 years of marriage and 22 years of misunderstandings with the beautiful Mrs. Green.
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Comment #41 posted by qqqq on August 17, 2002 at 01:17:29 PT
....Hey Canaman....
...I hope you're kidding,,and I'm taking you too seriously,,,because if I'm wrong,,then I think you might be taking things a bit seriously..?(?)....I'm not sure about anything......but I am starting to think that alot of people who have been getting easily offended,,and feeling greatly insulted,and/or pissed because of some exchange that was experienced here,,are learning that much of talks that go on here,,are not meant to be taken too seriously....It's easy to get sidetracked into thinking someone said too much,,or the wrong thing..I do it quite often,,,but we gotta remember that no one really knows who anyone is here,except for the things that they say,and the way they act and respond to others comments..........the way I think of it,,if someone wants to be an ass,,and purposely say something to piss someone else off,,then that's one thing....If someone wants to respond with a counterpoint,or a request for an explanation,,that's yet another thing..........If people are going to engage in simple,cheap tit for tat banter,,then that is yet another thing................ but I hate to see it when things get to where people get their feelings hurt,,or their honor and merit offended in such a way that it causes them to go off in a huff...((I'm not directing all this at you canaman,,,I'm tellin' me,, and everyone who is still reading this)......
 
 
...You are cool Canaman.....keep on keepin' on...
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Comment #40 posted by BGreen on August 17, 2002 at 01:16:13 PT
We should all stop thinking the worst about
each other and give each other the benefit of the doubt. If something doesn't jibe, it's probably a misunderstanding.
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Comment #39 posted by canaman on August 17, 2002 at 01:15:28 PT
I understand now
but you understand I thought I was dealing with a total nut case and I'm no doc.
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Comment #38 posted by canaman on August 17, 2002 at 01:10:17 PT
I don't mind a little dark humour ...but 
It's getting late and maybe the disclaimer should come up when Indy hits post message.
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Comment #37 posted by BGreen on August 17, 2002 at 01:09:40 PT
In the amerikan vernacular
the slang to "play" something also means to "do" something, so your post could be interpreted as meaning you "play the video game grand theft auto" or you "steal cars and beat up old people."
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Comment #36 posted by BGreen on August 17, 2002 at 01:05:34 PT
A VIDEO GAME
Please canaman, don't think he meant he was going out stealing cars.
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Comment #35 posted by Industrial Strength on August 17, 2002 at 01:05:26 PT
of course it's a joke
?The only Russian's I've come into contact with are Solzhenitsyn and, in the more "classic Russian" vien, Turgenev. I didn't really like "Sketches from a hunters album". I don't like much old stuff, it's far too longwinded. I do really like Conrad though. His stuff is longwinded, but it flows silky smooth. An Outcast of the Islands? Mmm. Superb.
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Comment #34 posted by BGreen on August 17, 2002 at 01:03:34 PT
It's a GAME, canaman
He's not hitting old people in real life.
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Comment #33 posted by BGreen on August 17, 2002 at 01:01:29 PT
OK, let's call it *revised*
And there should be a space added.DISCLAIMER: The preceding statement was presented as a joke, solely for entertainment purposes. Any resemblance to an actual person or persons besides myself was unintentional, and no offense was meant to anyone. No animals were harmed during the creation or the presentation of this comedic work.
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Comment #32 posted by BGreen on August 17, 2002 at 00:58:46 PT
You'd better explain
You better not be tying their little paws up and reading CNews comments to them. I love animals (and I'm not talking about eating them) so you'd better leave the squirrels alone.Notice my NEW disclaimer.DISCLAIMER: The preceding statement was presented as a joke, solely for entertainment purposes. Any resemblance to an actual person or persons besides myselfwas unintentional, and no offense was meant to anyone. No animals were harmed during the creation or the presentation of this comedic work.
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Comment #31 posted by canaman on August 17, 2002 at 00:56:08 PT
oh God
good night
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Comment #30 posted by canaman on August 17, 2002 at 00:54:40 PT
saying you need help would be an understatement
but if what you're saying is no joke. Than You should run as quick as you can to whomever or whatever gives you comfort. I pity you and anyone you may come in contact with if you act out these sick fantisies.
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Comment #29 posted by dddd on August 17, 2002 at 00:54:32 PT
...Right On Indy!!!...
...Al Martin is outstandingly fantastic!!!.....I have read,and re-read his writings,and I consider his bullshit level to be almost nil!...He cuts the crap with dazzling clarity.......
 
...when ya read Al Martin....it's almost too much to handle,,because it's all REAL...and when you look,,and realize that ,,it's almost too much...These are facts,and realities..Al Martin is not a nut,or some crackpot conspiracy theory bigmouth,,,talkin' careless crap like 4P or 4Q...he's an old guy who actually lived to tell about all of it,,and is uniquely availiable on the internet...I'm sure there are many in the empire who find Al most alarming!.....dddd
 
 
...PS...Indy,,,what about the Russian Literature?..dont let the internet cut too far into your reading!..
 The Brothers Karamozov,by Dostoyevsky,,,or Dead Souls,,by Gogol,,,,,or,, for something of a lighter classic experience;;; For Whom the Bell Tolls,,,fine,nice Hemingway
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Comment #28 posted by Industrial Strength on August 17, 2002 at 00:45:12 PT
play Grand Theft Auto
and bludgeon geriatrics with a ball bat. At least, that's my particular avenue for venting. Or there's torturing ground squirrels. There's always that.
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Comment #27 posted by canaman on August 17, 2002 at 00:41:09 PT
find stability 
some kind of balance, help someone else. Take a walk, ride a bike. BREATH
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Comment #26 posted by Industrial Strength on August 17, 2002 at 00:36:18 PT
I think
everyone is susceptible to the lust for violence every now and then. Maybe I'm just really unstable.
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Comment #25 posted by Industrial Strength on August 17, 2002 at 00:31:04 PT
Al Martin
You got me hooked, d=pbq.From the latest:"Bush also said the more authority that we give the Office of Homeland Security the better job they can do in protecting our nation. The closer we move to giving the Office of Homeland Security ABSOLUTE authority the closer to absolute security we will have."If that's in fact true (apparently it was on CSPAN)...Words fail me. Shit, maybe a "revolution" is the way to go?? 
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Comment #24 posted by canaman on August 17, 2002 at 00:28:30 PT
Kill your t.v.
I mean it why would you want to hurt someone else?
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Comment #23 posted by Industrial Strength on August 17, 2002 at 00:24:17 PT
start worrying
Hopefully it will change as they get older, but most teens really don't care about reading or politics or, like, any of that, like, boring stuff. MTV really makes me want to hurt people.
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Comment #22 posted by BGreen on August 17, 2002 at 00:21:08 PT
There's no contempt
We all just know how we acted and thought when we were that age. We're all pretty like-minded, but you've got to admit, after another 20 years of life experience your views and attitudes are likely to change, not in an extreme way, but your views will become more refined and based more upon your own personal experiences. I still feel like I'm 16, but I know I've learned a lot since then.If you're the epitome of a teenage cannabis user, this world has nothing to worry about.
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Comment #21 posted by canaman on August 17, 2002 at 00:16:25 PT
Ha 
that's what you get for hangin' with a older crowd!
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Comment #20 posted by Industrial Strength on August 17, 2002 at 00:12:08 PT
yea
the travel agent said to be at least two hours early. Winnipeg airport is pretty tiny, really. The stopover in TO probably won't be very much fun. The flight leaves at 12:30(my time), aug 22 and arrives at Heathrow at 6:30 am (London time) on the 23. Probably won't be through customs and everything for at least two hours. Hopefully I will be able to sleep on the plane...I'm not a good sleeper regardless, and I will be minus my medicine. lol.I understand the contempt for young people. I'm just at the top of the heap I guess ;)
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Comment #19 posted by CorvallisEric on August 17, 2002 at 00:08:01 PT
Mike Males
I've heard him on radio and read a few articles by him. His general point is that teenagers are better and sturdier than most people, especially the media, give them credit for. His data is quite remarkable, like the Orange County figures in the article. Perhaps some of it suffers from being selectively gathered, but from my life's experience at age 56 I would guess he's mostly right.
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Comment #18 posted by BGreen on August 17, 2002 at 00:02:51 PT
Get to the airport EARLY
Man, I had some close calls on my last trip. The lines were long and slow, and what seemed like plenty of time turned into too close for comfort.What are we going to do without you, young whippersnapper, playfully chiding and debating the old guys nearly into a stroke or heart attack, secretly praying and thanking God that you're young and you don't live in the prison states of amerika. LOLDISCLAIMER: The preceding statement was presented as a joke, solely for entertainment purposes. Any resemblance to an actual person or persons was unintentional, and no offense was meant to anyone. No animals were harmed during the creation or the presentation of this comedic work.
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Comment #17 posted by Industrial Strength on August 16, 2002 at 23:48:43 PT
yea
I guess I'm guilty of misinterpreting the comments, look like a dumbass. lol.On a personal note, I'm leaving on the 22nd. Less than a week.
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Comment #16 posted by BGreen on August 16, 2002 at 23:46:23 PT
I can't speak for AlvinCool
but I'll say what I think he meant, since he was the only person using the word "prohibitionist."The author was addressing the fact that the prohibitionists were always screaming "the kids, the children, the innocent, the helpless," and the ONLY WAY to even get this thing on the ballot is to let them continue this war on SOMEBODY, believing they're saving the kids while locking them up in jail.The prohibitionists still don't get it, even with the wording of the law and draconian punishment still on the books for "THE CHILDREN" after the adults are legally allowed to smoke.As for pro-active, self-initiated contacts, I would be very proud to make an arrest of someone who has three ounces of marijuana in his/ her possession. Furthermore, I'll bet that you all want me to make that arrest. Don't agree? Imagine how you'll feel when you find three ounces of marijuana in your child's or grandchild's drawer. Bet you wish I'd made that arrest, now.Think about that when you vote on Question 9.RUSSELL A. WOODLAS VEGAS
Anderson Didn't Speak for Rank-and-File
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Comment #15 posted by canaman on August 16, 2002 at 23:17:09 PT
not me 
I just think his message is a little confusing
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Comment #14 posted by Industrial Strength on August 16, 2002 at 23:12:20 PT
what?
Who thinks the author is a prohibitionist????"Drug legalization lobbies once spoke honorable, scholarly truths: alcohol and tobacco are America’s most abused drugs; marijuana is not unduly perilous for adults and teens; criminalizing drugs does more damage than drugs do."He's saying that kids shouldn't be arrested for marijuana either. 
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Comment #13 posted by canaman on August 16, 2002 at 22:52:55 PT
that's it BGreen...
Some kind of conspiracy. No way is it my typing or eyesight...and my speling...spelling...is perfect. Damn there they go again!
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Comment #12 posted by Toad on August 16, 2002 at 22:28:46 PT
Wierd One
This article is bizarre. My first thought was that it must have been written by a teenager. 
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Comment #11 posted by BGreen on August 16, 2002 at 22:16:47 PT
OR a redundant word
such as "appear" appears.This is some spooky stuff.DISCLAIMER: The preceding statement was presented as a joke, solely for entertainment purposes. Any resemblance to an actual person or persons was unintentional, and no offense was meant to anyone. No animals were harmed during the creation or the presentation of this comedic work.
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Comment #10 posted by BGreen on August 16, 2002 at 22:12:57 PT
It's a prohibitionist attack
They've secretly added code to the html on this site that creates things such as added or deleted words, grammatical mistakes, punctuation errors, snide remarks and senseless rambling appear AFTER we press the "Post Message" button.DISCLAIMER: The preceding statement was presented as a joke, solely for entertainment purposes. Any resemblance to an actual person or persons was unintentional, and no offense was meant to anyone. No animals were harmed during the creation or the presentation of this comedic work.
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Comment #9 posted by canaman on August 16, 2002 at 21:44:32 PT
missing words .......has a job
Sometimes I think I may need glasses.
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Comment #8 posted by canaman on August 16, 2002 at 21:42:10 PT
Well at least he job...
Writing for the weekly rag....know if I can just figure out what he's saying...lol
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Comment #7 posted by FoM on August 16, 2002 at 21:36:49 PT
canaman
I was curious as to what the title meant too but I still don't understand it.
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Comment #6 posted by canaman on August 16, 2002 at 21:20:03 PT
thanks FoM
I was being a little sarcastic, but I didn't know what social ecologist was. I mean this guy has a degree and all but from what you just sent...Every person is viewed as valuable to the community and worthy of community respect and mutual support. Social Ecologists argue that harmony can then be applied to ecological relationships.It doesn't seem like he is teaching what he was taught. Anyhow thanks for the definition!
 
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Comment #5 posted by FoM on August 16, 2002 at 20:41:20 PT
canaman does this help?
Envisioning EcotopiaBy Kenn KassmanSocial Ecologist theory maintains that only through the creation of a just and participatory society can a healthy and benign relationship to the natural world be developed. Presupposing that the domination of humans by humans preceded the domination of nature by humans, the Social Ecologist future is structured to eliminate all hierarchy and delegitimate all forms of discrimination. Every person is viewed as valuable to the community and worthy of community respect and mutual support. Social Ecologists argue that harmony can then be applied to ecological relationships.Link: http://www.ru.org/artecot.html
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Comment #4 posted by canaman on August 16, 2002 at 20:21:49 PT
what's a 'social ecologist'?
Mike Males, a UC Irvine social ecology Ph.D., teaches sociology at UC Santa Cruz.....and says,Nevada’s initiative underscores today’s callous hypocrisy: the more American adults expand and abuse "adult rights," the more viciously we banish and punish youths to keep them from acting like adults. Do Nevada and American grown-ups deserve another party drug when they insist on imprisoning youths for the normal adolescent task of learning to use it?Who's asking for another party drug????? This guy is wacko, flipped, twisted, crazzzzzzy..........
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Comment #3 posted by canaman on August 16, 2002 at 19:41:14 PT
This guy doesn't come across
as a prohibitionist though. I believe he doesn't think the law goes far enough. But he's making the folks triing to bring some sanity to the laws look like....I don't know what...when he says,MPP’s initiative could have softened these barbarisms, but no: they plan ads trumpeting how their measure "protects children"—with handcuffs.You'd think MMP was putting the cuffs on. He took "It's for the kids" and turned it 180 degrees.
 
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Comment #2 posted by AlvinCool on August 16, 2002 at 19:26:14 PT
Hawaii
Guess he discounts the fact that as people are denied marijuana they turn to harder drugs, hence the epidemic of meth in Hawaii. As for the children the prohibitionist mind can only see that as long as something is legal it isn't available to THEIR children. Only the children of the poor and worthless people, and they deserve it. After all they aren't them are they? Or are they?The chant of the prohibitionist: The blinders protect me and my children, the blinders protect me and my children, all hail the blinders.
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Comment #1 posted by canaman on August 16, 2002 at 19:17:40 PT
interesting twist
People 21 and over are bad guy because we don't want to go to jail. Mike should maybe blame the laws?
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