cannabisnews.com: Police Union Leader Rebukes Support of Marijuana Police Union Leader Rebukes Support of Marijuana Posted by CN Staff on August 08, 2002 at 12:23:29 PT By Keith Paul Source: Las Vegas Sun Metro Police's union not only opposes the initiative to legalize marijuana but is asking the umbrella police lobbying organization that endorsed the ballot question to reconsider its action, a union leader said today."It is my intention to ask (the Nevada Conference of Police and Sheriffs) board to reconvene and revisit the issues," said Detective David Kallas, executive director of the Police Protective Association, union for about 2,100 Metro police and corrections officers. "We are adamantly opposed to legalization of marijuana." NCOPS, a statewide police organization, announced Tuesday its board of directors voted 9-0 to support the proposed constitutional change that would decriminalize possession of up to 3 ounces of marijuana.Andy Anderson, NCOPS president and former head of the Police Protective Association, said the initiative will allow police to focus on violent crimes instead of spending hours on paperwork booking someone into jail on a marijuana possession charge.The board is made up of two members from the PPA, two from the Henderson Police union, two from the state law enforcement officers' union and one each from the North Las Vegas Police and school police unions along with Anderson.Anderson said the board can call for another meeting, but added the cops are missing the point of the initiative."We're not endorsing smoking marijuana, but when you have a majority of people in the polls (saying decriminalize marijuana) you have to get your head out of the sand and decide how to regulate it," Anderson said. "I didn't say I want my grandkids or my kids to use marijuana. Do you think it is hard for kids to get marijuana now? I'm saying let's regulate it and make it more difficult."But local cops have come out against the initiative and the endorsement, saying 3 ounces of marijuana goes beyond personal use and that it would create a new set of policing problems. Nevada changed its marijuana laws last year, making it a misdemeanor for possession of less than 1 ounce instead of a felony."One ounce is a lot for personal use; 3 ounces is ridiculous," Undersheriff Richard Winget said. "You can make 120 marijuana cigarettes with 3 ounces. That's not for individual use; that amount is for dealing."Kallas, who cut short his vacation and returned to Las Vegas after being told of NCOPS' endorsement, said he has spoken with the heads of the North Las Vegas and Henderson police unions and neither organization supports the marijuana proposal.Winget said the police would do whatever possible to oppose the ballot question."We are organizing with all local law enforcement to develop our plan," he said.Anderson said the state has already passed laws making possession of less than an ounce not only a misdemeanor, but a crime that ends with a citation issued not an arrest."There is a changing attitude in society," he said. Complete Title: Police Union Leader Rebukes Support of Marijuana Initiative Source: Las Vegas Sun (NV)Author: Keith Paul Published: August 08, 2002Copyright: 2002 Las Vegas Sun, Inc.Contact: letters lasvegassun.comWebsite: http://www.lasvegassun.com/Related Articles & Web Sites:NRLEhttp://www.nrle.org/Marijuana Policy Projecthttp://www.mpp.org/Marijuana Ballot Issue: Police Back Legalization http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread13657.shtmlPolice Support Pot Initiative http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread13652.shtmlDEA Director Criticizes Marijuana Ballot Measurehttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread13388.shtml Home Comment Email Register Recent Comments Help Comment #51 posted by qqqq on August 09, 2002 at 01:06:16 PT ....OK.... ....it's true.....you dont want to get FoM pissed ,,,,,and BGreen can be kinda mean...... ,,,,BUT,, ,I'll tell ya who to really watch out for;;;EJ!.....She'll have ya for dinner if ya rub her the wrong way... 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The product allows for the simultaneous detection of both ethanol and drugs. Test values reflect the biological accuracy of blood, and provide "under the influence" results for drugs and alcohol. Saliva drug test can reveal the presence of pharmacologically active drug in an individual at the time of testing ------------------------------ http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/9.10/streetcred.html?pg=13http://www.popsci.com/popsci/medicine/article/0,12543,259328,00.html impact [ Post Comment ] Comment #42 posted by FoM on August 08, 2002 at 18:09:47 PT Industrial Strength & BGreen We sold our horse trailer when the horses were moved to another part of the state. We have a van and dog crate. He is a good rottie but he is a definite anti drug dog. He growls when I try to give him his heart worm pill but that's the only time so he doesn't get any heart worm medicine.When you have around a dozen horses you learn to worm and vaccinate. My one Vet even gave me a powerful drug I had to put in one horses jugular vein because the Vet couldn't get away from the office and he told me how and I did and the mare lived. She had a bad case of colic which is often fatal.I've assisted during the castration of my one stallion I helped birth a few little baby horses called foals. I have the full birth of my one horse on video. The mare allowed me to be in the stall with her and I taped the whole thing. My students loved watching the tape and the Vets did too. They make house calls whe necessary. [ Post Comment ] Comment #41 posted by FoM on August 08, 2002 at 18:00:14 PT McCaffrey Said Something like this. We aren't going to go into people's homes and arrest them if they want to sit around and smoke an ounce of pot. That's a lot to smoke but what if they want to smoke 3 ounces? Where does it end? [ Post Comment ] Comment #40 posted by BGreen on August 08, 2002 at 17:58:58 PT Can I suggest a horse trailer? I don't know how we will be able to get him to the vet because he is so big now but we will. [ Post Comment ] Comment #39 posted by Industrial Strength on August 08, 2002 at 17:58:10 PT Vets Do "big animal" vets still make house calls? Some of my favorite books are James Herriot's anecdotal accounts of vet life in pre WWII Yorkshire. Lovely books.I don't think I could give even a horse or a dog an injection. I think everyone has at least one phobia, mine is hypodermics. I guess I will never be able to experience the thrill of mainlining cheap methanphetamine. LoL.By the way, my philosophy regarding strange, possibly rabid wild animals is just don't take any chances. I'm not one of those gung ho, shoot it because it's alive type people, but our animals are like family. You know? [ Post Comment ] Comment #38 posted by FoM on August 08, 2002 at 17:49:05 PT Industrial Strength I was just thinking that if he hangs around we might need to shoot him. My dog is vaccinated for rabies but needs a booster. I don't know how we will be able to get him to the vet because he is so big now but we will. I have aways given my own shots to dogs and horses but not rabies. They won't give out the rabies vaccine like other vaccines. [ Post Comment ] Comment #37 posted by BGreen on August 08, 2002 at 17:47:12 PT Is this another Jefferson Airplane song? LOL We had a dead crow the other day and just now an opossum walking in circles in our front yard and not afraid of us at all. I bet he has rabies. Strange times in the country these days. [ Post Comment ] Comment #36 posted by Industrial Strength on August 08, 2002 at 17:44:05 PT rabies Earlier this summer there was this skunk running around our yard actually chasing our dogs. It wasn't trying to spray them, it was trying to bite them. I had to shoot it. Fortunately, the dogs have all been vacinated. It was pretty funny in a way, watching this skunk lunging at the dogs. The dogs really didn't know what to make of it. Normally they just kill them and have to stay outside for a few days. [ Post Comment ] Comment #35 posted by FoM on August 08, 2002 at 17:42:34 PT Industrial Strength You got it. I'm terrible at names. I always have been. I never could be a name dropper because I forget peoples names to easily! LOL! [ Post Comment ] Comment #34 posted by FoM on August 08, 2002 at 17:40:36 PT Off Topic We had a dead crow the other day and just now an opossum walking in circles in our front yard and not afraid of us at all. I bet he has rabies. Strange times in the country these days. [ Post Comment ] Comment #33 posted by Industrial Strength on August 08, 2002 at 17:38:29 PT The other guys Tucker Carlson is the bow tie wearer, James Carville is the southerner. I like Carlson alot more than that Novak. Imagine, calling poor people losers. Sometimes I like Crossfire, but most of the time it's bothersome to watch. There is no middle ground for any of those people. Always Left Right. I dont know if the "daily show" has any fans here besides me (I would reccomend it to everyone), but they do a spoof of Right vs. Left "debate" shows called Even Steven where the two guys just sort of scream the exact opposite of what the other is saying back and forth to each other. "Yes!" "No!" It's funny because it's true. [ Post Comment ] Comment #32 posted by FoM on August 08, 2002 at 17:30:48 PT BGreen That must have been great. Willie Nelson is an American Icon. He's one of a kind. On the Crossfire debate. It leaned real hard against us. They didn't have the other guys on who are cool. I can't think of their names but one is bald and speaks with a southern accent and the other wears weird bow ties. [ Post Comment ] Comment #31 posted by BGreen on August 08, 2002 at 17:24:18 PT Thanks, FoM Thanks for the 'welcome back' the other day. I had driven all night and was pretty tired, so I didn't write much, but I'm glad to be back home.I went to Texas to see "Puff Daddy" himself, Willie Nelson. He's amazing! [ Post Comment ] Comment #30 posted by BGreen on August 08, 2002 at 17:12:32 PT Discrepancies? Kallas, who cut short his vacation and returned to Las Vegas after being told of NCOPS' endorsement, said he has spoken with the heads of the North Las Vegas and Henderson police unions and neither organization supports the marijuana proposal.Metro Police Detective David Kallas, executive director of the Las Vegas Police Protective Association, had just returned from a trip out of town and didn't know about the vote. [ Post Comment ] Comment #29 posted by Industrial Strength on August 08, 2002 at 17:09:54 PT You would think the cops could have pulled some better grass out of the evidence locker. That stuff looked pretty bunkish.I like Bill Press alot more than Paul Begala, I wish they never got rid of Press. [ Post Comment ] Comment #26 posted by BGreen on August 08, 2002 at 17:06:32 PT David Kallas is the liar from a previous story Metro Police Detective David Kallas, executive director of the Las Vegas Police Protective Association, had just returned from a trip out of town and didn't know about the vote. He said he is against the initiative because it does not address the "larger problem" problem of drug trafficking."Both personally and professionally, while you've eased the burden of the user, you haven't assisted law enforcement with the overall problem of drug trafficking," he said. "The people who purchase it still have to purchase it somewhere."The ONLY defense the pro-jail side has are lies. Police Support Pot Initiative [ Post Comment ] Comment #25 posted by FoM on August 08, 2002 at 16:55:12 PT Crossfire Just a comment. The Crossfire debate was full of emotion and why would a young man be so against this initiative? Is he afraid he might loss his job if it passes? He very well could. [ Post Comment ] Comment #24 posted by FoM on August 08, 2002 at 16:30:46 PT More Polls Three of the four local network affiliates in Las Vegas are running polls on the marijuana initiative:http://www.kvbc.com/ (local NBC affiliate)http://www.ktnv.com/ (local ABC affiliate)http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=887804&nav=168XAZP0 (local CBS affiliate) [ Post Comment ] Comment #23 posted by FoM on August 08, 2002 at 15:47:53 PT Just a Comment Malarky! For God's Sakes! McCaffrey said. I sure wouldn't want to run into that prosecutor in a back alley. He was a scary dud! [ Post Comment ] Comment #22 posted by Industrial Strength on August 08, 2002 at 15:35:09 PT the poll It's at 88% to 12% now for the good guys. I switched off the tv as soon as the debate ended, anyone know if they mentioned the poll results on the show? I wonder if sites like C-News really effect the results of these online polls? Also, the little bar at the bottom of the screen mentioned something about someone auctioning a bong and giving the proceeds to firefighters. Both times I missed the very start of the little headline. Anyone know who's auctioning off the bong? [ Post Comment ] Comment #21 posted by FoM on August 08, 2002 at 15:31:44 PT Industrial Strength CNN leaned our way I think. VitaminT Marvelous! That's good! LOL! [ Post Comment ] Comment #20 posted by Industrial Strength on August 08, 2002 at 15:27:57 PT I'm pleased that this issue is getting mainstream press coverage. CNN was actually impartial! They actually made an issue out of the fact that the NCPS sided with the reformers! What's going on? [ Post Comment ] Comment #19 posted by FoM on August 08, 2002 at 15:19:09 PT This is who will be on the Abrams Report THURSDAY, AUGUST 86:00 P.M. ET Richard Gammick, President of Nevada District Attorney Association, Richard Gammick, former drug czar and General Barry McCaffrey, (Ret., US Army) join Abrams to discuss the largest police association in Nevada’s endorsement of a law that would make it legal to possess 3 ounces of marijuana. [ Post Comment ] Comment #18 posted by VitaminT on August 08, 2002 at 15:17:58 PT I don't know what all that's about . . . . But one thing is for sure, I LOOK MARVELOUS! on the internet! [ Post Comment ] Comment #17 posted by Industrial Strength on August 08, 2002 at 15:07:24 PT sure I would take you, FoM, over Kampia any day :) I was more or less kidding, but who knows? People don't like ugly. Especially on television [ Post Comment ] Comment #16 posted by VitaminT on August 08, 2002 at 15:06:07 PT That's right! I think maybe old McCzar has the hots for Mark Leno.could be??? [ Post Comment ] Comment #15 posted by FoM on August 08, 2002 at 15:01:03 PT Industrial Strength Gee golly I don't know what to say except I'm beautiful. Will I do? I'm only kidding. You mean we need Tom Cruise types like McCaffrey referred to about Mark Leno in San Francisco? [ Post Comment ] Comment #14 posted by Industrial Strength on August 08, 2002 at 14:52:46 PT what we need is better looking activists. [ Post Comment ] Comment #13 posted by FoM on August 08, 2002 at 14:47:47 PT VitaminT I'm glad you got to the poll. Asa was his typical smirky self and Kampia did a good job.On to MSNBC at 6 now! [ Post Comment ] Comment #12 posted by VitaminT on August 08, 2002 at 14:43:58 PT OK I found a way in but I had to go to Asia to do ithttp://asia.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/wolf.blitzer.reports/BTW we're now up 83% to 17% [ Post Comment ] Comment #11 posted by Sam Adams on August 08, 2002 at 14:43:11 PT Someone explained it to them.... These guys must have misunderstood the significance of the the referendum, until someone explained it in terms the average street cop could understand - "Remember when they legalized prostitution, and you couldn't just grab any hooker and demand a blow job? Well, say goodbye to your free weed supply if this one passes!"Not to mention the overtime - so important to come into court and drink coffee for a couple hours while fucking up some kid's whole life.......... [ Post Comment ] Comment #10 posted by VitaminT on August 08, 2002 at 14:33:43 PT Somebody tell me why! CNN.com NEVER works for me! I either get an http 404 file not found or I get bounced to CNNSportsIllustrated.com What a bunch of crap!It's OK I'm calm now. [ Post Comment ] Comment #9 posted by druid on August 08, 2002 at 14:13:50 PT: dimebag No one has developed an on the spot "breathalyzer" type device for pot yet. I was reading something about something in the works from someone but I can't remember exactly what ...Anyway I think the driving under the influence thing with pot is what really scares a lot of people because they know that you can't detect when a person is high or not. People just refuse to believe that you can drive ok when your high and when you are too high to drive you know it and are too paranoid to drive anyway. :)I hear and read these remarks from the anti's to the effect of "I don't want someone high on the same road as me!"OPEN YOUR EYES AND SMELL THE SENSIMELIA WE ARE ALREADY THERE! [ Post Comment ] Comment #8 posted by FoM on August 08, 2002 at 14:12:52 PT CNN Poll! Should it be legal for adults to possess small amounts of marijuana ? Yes 72% -- 592 votes No 28% -- 233 votes Total: 825 votes http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/wolf.blitzer.reports/ [ Post Comment ] Comment #7 posted by dimebag on August 08, 2002 at 13:49:18 PT COPS They just want to keep it illegal because they dont want to have to do their job of "Serve and Protect". They just want to find dope dealers and send em' off to prison or give them a fine. Im sure the fine's that the court brings in are mostly for Marijuana. And Drunk Driving. Speaking of Driving under the Influence. How is a Cop going to know when a person is driving stoned. I can see if he and his buddies are tokin up and get pulled over, but say if I were to leave my hotel room to get some munchie food and were to get pulled over, they cant give you a breathalizer test for Pot, Can they? If you put in Eye drops they wont be able to say "your eyes are red"... you just have to cover up your breath.Dime [ Post Comment ] Comment #6 posted by FoM on August 08, 2002 at 13:38:19 PT Heads Up! Tonight On CNN and MSNBC Dear Friend, MPP's Rob Kampia will be debating an unknown prohibitionist for 10 minutes sometime between 5:00 and 6:00 p.m. Eastern time today on Wolf Blitzer's show on CNN. Andy Anderson, the head of the Nevada police organization that endorsed the marijuana initiative two days ago, will appear on "The Abrams Report" on MSNBC from 6:00 to 7:00 p.m. Eastern. Finally, a representative from MPP's campaign office in Nevada will be debating an unknown prohibitionist on CNN's "Crossfire" at 7:00 p.m. Eastern time today. It could very well be that Andy Anderson will be representing our side. Some or all of these shows will be repeated later tonight. Enjoy ... Sincerely, Bruce Mirken Director of Communications Marijuana Policy Project Washington, D.C. P.S. Please see: http://www.NRLE.org for more information about the Nevada campaign and/or to make a donation. [ Post Comment ] Comment #5 posted by TroutMask on August 08, 2002 at 13:13:24 PT UN-discussed eh, you know what i mean!No man is wiser than a prohibitionist!:) [ Post Comment ] Comment #4 posted by TroutMask on August 08, 2002 at 13:12:19 PT Yeah! Even the one person who said they voted yes because they thought it was only *medical* marijuana had the issue RE-explained to him and STILL said he'd vote the same way. What part of "absolute majority" does this guy not understand? Oh, I know, he must have some new as-yet-discussed amazing scientific reason that will astound everyone and turn the 9-0 for into a 9-0 against. Or could HE be the one who is wrong???-TM [ Post Comment ] Comment #3 posted by John Tyler on August 08, 2002 at 13:09:22 PT Vote Reconsidered It's too late to revote. The Nevada Conference of Police and Sheriffs voted 9 to 0 for the issue. A revote now would make the whole organization look ridiculous. [ Post Comment ] Comment #2 posted by John Markes on August 08, 2002 at 12:43:05 PT showin their colors... The police are showing their true colors. Of course they oppose a law that keeps marijuana away from kids. Without the kids having easy access to marijuana through the black market, they would have fewer people to make money off of later... Drug Policy Education Group [ Post Comment ] Comment #1 posted by Windminstrel on August 08, 2002 at 12:33:04 PT figures If a union is against it, I'm all for it. Of course the freakin' union is against legalization -- it could decrease the number of dues-paying members. Cui bono? [ Post Comment ] Post Comment