cannabisnews.com: Marijuana Party To Avenge Ferry Pot Bust
Marijuana Party To Avenge Ferry Pot Bust
Posted by CN Staff on August 04, 2002 at 18:03:42 PT
News Story
Source: Canada.com
B.C. Marijuana Party head Marc Emery is planning a counterattack against West Vancouver police by perfuming B.C. ferries with l'eau de pot. Upset by police searching cars for marijuana on the Horseshoe Bay-Nanaimo run, he says his supporters will spray ferry decks, doors and bulkheads with THC oil in a bid to confuse police tracker dogs. West Vancouver police did not comment yesterday on Emery's plans.
On Tuesday, Police used drug-trained dogs on a ferry to root out eight people with marijuana in their vehicles.But a civil liberties watchdog is crying foul, saying police have no business snooping around on public ferries without a search warrant."Operation High Seas" netted seven kilograms of marijuana Tuesday and led to three arrests.Plainclothes officers sealed off car decks on four return trips from Horseshoe Bay to Nanaimo.West Vancouver police Sgt. Bob Fontaine said the dog, which came from detachments around the Lower Mainland, detected the drugs from outside the cars.Police then waited for the owners to return to their cars before making an arrest for possession of narcotics, searching the cars and seizing the drugs."Nobody even knew we were there," Fontaine said yesterday. "They're all upstairs, and we're down on the car decks. "It was the most non-invasive way of trying to detect any drugs on the ferry. I think you might see this will happen again in the future."Fontaine said criminals are using B.C. Ferries to transport drugs through Horseshoe Bay.He said there are numerous marijuana grow-ops on Vancouver Island, as well as some "off-loading" of drugs from ships on the west coast of the island.A 43-year-old man and 30-year-old woman from Lasqueti Island are now facing drug trafficking charges, along with a 37-year-old man from Lantzville.Police seized small amounts of marijuana from five other people, but didn't charge them.Fontaine said police were not acting on a specific tip, but "have had information in the past that drugs have been transported on that ferry."B.C. Ferries would not comment on why it is allowing police to search cars, except to say it was being co-operative.John Dixon, president of the B.C. Civil Liberties Association, said police have invaded the privacy of passengers."They have no business trolling around prospectively on the ferries unless they have good and reasonable, probable grounds that a specific criminal offence is being committed."If you can't find anything else for police officers to do than ride around on the ferries, on the hope of busting somebody for having some dope in their car, then West Vancouver obviously needs fewer police officers," said Dixon.Marijuana is often considered B.C.'s biggest cash crop.A study commissioned by the RCMP and released last month found the number of B.C. grow-ops grew by 48 per cent per year from 1997 to 2000.Solicitor-General Rich Coleman said at the time that police must have the resources they need to bust grow-ops. "I don't want the province to become a haven for this type of activity," he said. "Frankly, I don't think we should be soft on drugs." Police have estimated there are as many as 15,000 grow-ops in the Lower Mainland alone.The summer edition of High Times magazine named Vancouver as the world's best spot for marijuana smokers ahead of Amsterdam, where pot is legal.Source: Canada.comPublished: Sunday, August 04, 2002Copyright: 2002 Canada.comRelated Article & Web Site:B.C. Marijuana Partyhttp://www.bcmarijuanaparty.ca/Undercover Action Ends in Drug Bust on BC Ferry http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread13612.shtml
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Comment #47 posted by observer on August 06, 2002 at 19:50:51 PT
all over the place
observer, the reason the blood was mixed with the cocaine was to act as an attractant to get the dogs to ingest the cocaine. Sure ... and it also hid the human smell, because they were smelling human scent everywhere. Unhappily, I imagine this was only temporarily effective. .... The Germans never found out why their highly trained police dogs were completely ineffective. HOLCAUST BYSTANDERS - DENMARK http://users.systec.com/kimel/denmark.html Hmmm. That's not what the account said. But, maybe others have heard different accounts.I doubt the goal was to create the impression that humans were where they were not, I believe that is precisely the goal... The dogs would be barking at everything, rendering them useless as indicators of where people were actually hidden.which is what we WOULD be doing by spraying cannabis extract all over the place.Exactly. The dogs would hit on everything. The point that brilliant made, brilliant made several points; the one I commented on was this:observer's posts and links seem to relate to the latter and ignore the former.The referenced material seemed to address both issues.and which is valid in my view, is that on-the-spot neutralization of the dogs would only be marginally effective, and would not bring about the result I was hoping for, i.e. hordes of pissed-off citizens storming the cops for daring to subject them to the same harassment the majority of pot users are.That certainly is a worthy result to want to bring about, no argument there.If the dogs at schools, bus stops, the ferries, etc are continually dragging the cops all about for nothing, and getting the cops in lots of trouble to boot (something the Nazis certainly didnt fear) while rileing up a signifigant section of the general population, there will be a push to change the laws relating to searches and seizures, and perhaps give folks facing charges on the basis of a "sniff" some defense.I agree, it would be great to see that happen. Thanks for your comments.
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Comment #46 posted by 2Spooky on August 06, 2002 at 17:55:57 PT
Actually, there is a difference
observer, the reason the blood was mixed with the cocaine was to act as an attractant to get the dogs to ingest the cocaine. Unhappily, I imagine this was only temporarily effective. I doubt the goal was to create the impression that humans were where they were not, which is what we WOULD be doing by spraying cannabis extract all over the place. The point that brilliant made, and which is valid in my view, is that on-the-spot neutralization of the dogs would only be marginally effective, and would not bring about the result I was hoping for, i.e. hordes of pissed-off citizens storming the cops for daring to subject them to the same harassment the majority of pot users are.If the dogs at schools, bus stops, the ferries, etc are continually dragging the cops all about for nothing, and getting the cops in lots of trouble to boot (something the Nazis certainly didnt fear) while rileing up a signifigant section of the general population, there will be a push to change the laws relating to searches and seizures, and perhaps give folks facing charges on the basis of a "sniff" some defense.
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Comment #45 posted by observer on August 06, 2002 at 09:49:03 PT
false positives, distinctions, etc.
... talking about a program of false positives to destroy the credibility of the drug dog menace. ... Other persons are talking about rendering the dogs (perhaps temporarily) useless on-site. .... observer's posts and links seem to relate to the latter and ignore the former.Gosh, I thought the references supplied were talking about both.from http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/4/thread4168.shtm#6
''To overcome this Danish scientist in Malmo concocted a powder made up of dried human blood and cocaine, which dusted on the decks of the ships, completely deadened the dogs' sense of smell.''Let's break that down."a powder made up of" :a) ''dried human blood''
i.e., ''a program of false positives''; the purpose of the blood was to create ''false positives''; the dogs being trained to detect humans, the blood being human blood.and b) ''cocaine''
i.e., ''rendering the dogs (perhaps temporarily) useless on-site.'' Since these (1940s Gestapo dogs) were trained to detect humans (not cocaine), the purpose of cocaine was to 'render the dogs useless on site' (as opposed to creating false positives).Maybe I should have provided the quotes (rather then force people to click on the links to read the referenced material).Anyway, it is a great idea and should be used more often.
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Comment #44 posted by FoM on August 06, 2002 at 09:12:02 PT
VitaminT
My dog can't stand Lavendar Pure Essential Oil. I know because I use Lavendar oil everyday. It's a great oil for tension, headaches and many other things. http://www.naha.org/
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Comment #43 posted by brilliant on August 06, 2002 at 09:01:44 PT
looks different to me
Hmmmm.......2Spooky is talking about a program of false postitives to destroy the credibility of the drug dog meanace. The technique espoused would also draw attention away from people who actually have cannabis. This is a good, aggressive plan. Hopefully Marc will expand his program.Other persons are talking about rendering the dogs (perhaps temporarily) useless on-site. By the time this technique would be most useful, you would already be under scrutiny, so in most cases it would be too late.observer's posts and links seem to relate to the latter and ignore the former.
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Comment #42 posted by VitaminT on August 06, 2002 at 08:58:15 PT
Would Spray bottles of Lemon Balm
have the same effect? That's legal and one could get started making that right away with no loss of stash!
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Comment #41 posted by 2Spooky on August 06, 2002 at 08:50:09 PT
oops
Forgot to thank DarkStar for the info =).THANKS!
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Comment #40 posted by 2Spooky on August 06, 2002 at 08:46:44 PT
observer needs a sense of humor =)
It was just an amusing coincidence that I posted a couple of days before about doing this, then Marc decides to promote the plan.However, the reason most folks dont do it is that 1)They are lazy; 2)It uses up stash; 3)Fear of getting caught with spray bottles of cannabis extracts
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Comment #39 posted by firedog on August 05, 2002 at 13:14:46 PT
Re: flying fascism
I don't know about fusion-powered hovering drones... although maybe I shouldn't dismiss it entirely, since about five years ago, a few of us saw something very much like this in the remote desert. It moved up, then sideways, then up again, and then we couldn't see it any more. It was shiny and spherical and made no sound at all.Even without fusion-powered drones, there are a lot of other ways to go about creating flying fascism. Some of them could be ridiculously cheap. Take a look at:http://www.airspacemag.com/asm/mag/supp/am00/uSPY.htmlandhttp://www.byu.edu/news/releases/archive02/Apr/miniairplane.htmTie some of these into the local cell-phone network for broadcasting data, fit them with solar-powered wings, and you could assign a few of them to any "questionable" citizens for monitoring purposes. Very scary.
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Comment #38 posted by kaptinemo on August 05, 2002 at 12:44:50 PT:
Compulsory National ID, anyone?
Here's the Japanese reaction to their own government trying to pull this nonsense:Japan launches ID network
http://www.globeandmail.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/front/RTGAM/20020805/wjapa0805/Front/homeBN/breakingnewsOne more brick of fascism being mortared into position.
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Comment #37 posted by The GCW on August 05, 2002 at 12:32:39 PT
kaptinemo
agreed, Your quote:I've stated many times in the past that the only way such issues as cannabis relegalization can be stopped is if the US were to declare martial law...and we are 9/10ths of the way there. I would only add that The biggest thing about cannabis is not oil that competes with cannabis, as it does.The biggest thing about cannabis IS SPIRITUAL not physical.Bush, of Skull N Bones, which is as real as cannabis, knows it too.
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Comment #36 posted by kaptinemo on August 05, 2002 at 12:18:21 PT:
Oh, and another BTW:
Another fine advancement of American science, coming at you just in time for the Office of Homeland Defence:Coming Soon:
Flying Fascism on Your Doorstep
http://www.almartinraw.com/column48.htmlfrom the article:Of greater significance was the introduction of the new DCHD (Domestic Control Hover Drones), which were displayed and offered for sale. They're about a meter in diameter and probably weigh about twenty kilograms each. It looks like a life ring (life preserver) with a motor in the middle of it......They also have see-through capability -- with a thermal imaging sensor camera, which can actually see inside of buildings and see through walls. The device is meant to be used as a domestic control drone. It not only has cameras, but the most sensitive audio receivers that have ever been made. It can pick up a human conversation from five hundred feet away -- one human conversation. Not only can they photograph and relay still shots and real time video and transmit video, but they also have a "non-lethal" weapons capability, some sort of stun gun based on energy discharge technology. They're powered by what's known as a fusion power cell, which looks like a square pack of film. The power is produced through some sort of chemical reaction.Science fiction, right? Especially the part about 'fusion power'. I keep up with the latest in advanced technology, and I have yet to hear of anyone coming up with a workable fusion reactor, much less a tiny portable one. But the rest of this is very plausible...and frightening.On the very first page of 1984 there was a description of helicopters peeking into people's bedroom windows.Orwell only got the date and the names of the countries wrong, that's all.These drones can stop and detain people. Since they have a microphone, they can hover right in your face, while you're looking into the camera. It also has a transmitter, which can play pre-recorded messages, or someone can actually talk to you even though they're a thousand miles away. During the demonstration, they hovered the thing around the room and then it came down in front of this Air Force captain's face, and it said, "Citizen, kindly present your national identification card."
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Comment #35 posted by kaptinemo on August 05, 2002 at 11:41:15 PT:
My analogy wasn't a spurrious one...
I chose that quote of Lloyd George for a very good reason; we are slip-sliding our way into outright imperialism...and bombing Afghanis is tantamount to Mr. George's 'bombing niggers'.And, ultimately, for the same reason: commerce.Take a look at this, please:DOES IMPERIALISM EMPOWER THE STATE AT HOME?
http://www.lewrockwell.com/stromberg/stromberg37.htmlThis part is especially salient:The slow-motion coup d’état continues. Anyone who compares the Congressional Resolution of September 12, 2001, with the German Reichstag’s Enabling Act of April 1933 might come away with the impression that, taking the two texts literally, George W. Bush got a bigger grant of unspecified power than did the Austrian immigrant politician, Adolf Hitler. Well maybe it isn’t a coup d’état per se. After all, the imperial process might be expected to raise up succeeding generations of world-savers and proconsuls who, on returning home, long to use here the methods which worked so well in the overseas provinces. The English Manchester liberal Richard Cobden, asked in 1850: "Is it not just possible that we may become corrupted at home by the reaction of arbitrary political maxims in the East upon our domestic politics, just as Greece and Rome were demoralised by their contact with Asia?" Others warned of such things.Something to think about, eh? Now, take a look at this:
George Bush's new imperialism
http://www.canoe.ca/Columnists/margolis_aug4.htmlThen look at this:
Tonkin incident might not have occurred
http://news.mysanantonio.com/story.cfm?xla=saen&xlb=190&xlc=775859&xld=190Many of us here - especially old ex-grunts like me who've been lied to once too many times by Uncle - have tremendous doubts as to the actual events of 9/11. The last article I list a link to goes into some detail about OPERATION NORTHWOODS, which had planned to have American civilians killed by American military and intelligence personnel in acts of 'domestic terrorism'...and to then blame these terrorist acts on Cuba, whipping up the public's righteous wrath for justifying a full-scale invasion.This is not blue-sky dreaming. This wasn't some novelist's fevered late-night inspiration spawned of eating a bad hot dog. And no crazy white supremecist group concocted this madness...it was a US Government policy, that was approved all the way up to the President before it was stopped - barely.I've stated many times in the past that the only way such issues as cannabis relegalization can be stopped is if the US were to declare martial law...and we are 9/10ths of the way there. The forces that don't want cannabis legalized once more are far more worried about the threat to their commercial (petroleum derived) fortunes than they are worried of people getting stoned. (If they were so concerned for your health, tobacco would have been outlawed long ago.)Nope, this is what it has always been about...money. Who gets it...and who gets bombed in the process. And the American troops, our saviors in 'real' wartime, are being used just as the British Imperial Tommy had been; to make some fat cat's wallet even more obscenely swollen.Our people die (or come back so deranged by their experiences that they start killing their loved ones) and their people die...while someone who doesn't have to wear a uniform or dodge bullets sits back and rakes in the bucks. And laughs at our stupidity for letting it happen...again.
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Comment #34 posted by The GCW on August 05, 2002 at 11:38:19 PT
kaptinemo
...while planning a wholly unncessary war on Iraq...And a part of what is grotesque about it is that they will use a public relation corporation to generate support, like selling soap...from: http://www.scoop.co.nz/archive/scoop/stories/a1/bd/200207231750.58b437af.html.
And neither Bush let the press know (from the 1st Iraq killings) that they had permitted Kuwait and Bahrain to infuse $19.6 million in foreign cash to hire U.S. public relations firm Hill & Knowlton to lobby Congress and the American people into a war frenzy against Iraq. I can’t get over the diaper scrap hiring public relations people like that to ki!!
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Comment #33 posted by Zero_G on August 05, 2002 at 10:50:53 PT
Standard Oil
And just think, the last time an effort was made to wrest power away from this group, was the break-up of Standard Oil, in the anti-trust battles.John D. Rockefeller ended up with control of many smaller companies instead, and profitted greatly.Ah, the joys of unbridled capitalism.SHADOWLANDS [regarding the first female serial killer of Republicans] by Paul Kantner ZONA ROSA YOUNG GIRL IN THE CITY, SHE WAS A SMALL TOWN GIRL IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY OF LIGHT. “WHAT AM I DOIN' HERE?” SHE CRIED “WHAT AM I DOIN' HERE?” “I WANT TO BE DANGEROUS LIKE A FIRE IN THE SKIES THERE'S BURNIN’ BARRICADES IN THE STREETS AND FIRE IN MY EYES.” [CHANT] SO THERE SHE SAT WITH A DIAMOND BULLET IN THE CENTER OF HER HEART NOT A MILE FROM HERE THERE ARE PEOPLE LIVIN' TEN TO A ROOM NOT A MILE FROM HERE AND A FEW STREETS FURTHER ON THEY'RE SLEEPIN' IN DOORWAYS BOXES SOME OF THEM CHILDREN AND THE SOUND OF GUNFIRE CRACKS THE NIGHT IN THE SHADOWLANDS AND THE SAXOPHONE IN THE SHADOWLAND SINGS [CHANT] SHE HAD NOTHIN' ON BUT THE RADIO HER HAIR WAS NIGHT TIME BLACK AND HER EYES COMPELLING COMPELLING ME TO DREAMS “GO OUT AND CHANGE THE WORLD,”(she said...) COMPELLING ME TO ACTION !!! IN THE NIGHT STRIPED WITH LIGHTNING SHE WILL COME AND FEED ON DREAMS HER HAIR STREAMING FORTH BURNIN' WITH DESIRE AND THE STORM DEEPENS SCREAMS WITH THUNDER LUST ENTERS INTO IT >> SEX ! MOUTH ! SWEET ! BLOOD RED !!! [CHANT] AND AS THE SKY EXPLODES AND I'M DRAWN TO ACTION (WITH HER) IT'S LIKE THE FIRST TIME THAT YOU REALLY FELL IN LOVE AND YOU'RE BOTH ON THE BATTLE LINES AND IT'S THE FIRST TIME THAT YOU'RE REALLY FUCKING TOO ALIVE IN BED WITH THE WOMAN YOU'RE FUCKIN' WHO 'S FUCKING YOU AND THE WORLD OPENS UP SHE IS ESSENTIAL MONUMENTAL BETTER THAN JESUS SHE'S A GUIDE THROUGH THE CHAOS A ROAD TO THE PASSION BETWEEN THE EARTH AND SKY WHERE LOVE IS LIKE A DRUG AND EVERYTHING IS DIFFERENT AND WE TWO WILL LOVE EACH OTHER AND WE WILL STILL REMEMBER OUR FIRST KISS AS THE ACTION TAKES OVER NO THOUGHT OF CIRCUMSTANCE OR CONSEQUENCE AS ALL THE RULES CHANGE AND SHE'S A SPECIALIST IN DARKNESS IN THE SHADOWLANDS “I can think of a few Democrats she could add to her list.” ... Ronnie Gilbert
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Comment #32 posted by xxdr_zombiexx on August 05, 2002 at 10:25:03 PT
yeah...
What Kapt. said....When I was a child ther was a political cartoon in the newspaper called "dunnigans People". I just looked at it as a child, I had no understanding - really - what it was about. this would have been 30 years ago - I hate to say.
os1 that has stood out over the years, and just keeps getting better and better - a man in a suit walks into a fancy office and the Secretary
(1972) - I mean Administrative Assistant (2002)- says "Good Morning Congressman Jones...What Oil company do you represent?"It was not funny to me when I was 12.It's hysterical now, in a tragi-comedic way.
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Comment #31 posted by kaptinemo on August 05, 2002 at 10:01:10 PT:
In these times, GCW, the distinction is pointless
And BTW, Enron executives may be big fish to us, but they are naught but bottom feeders to the real power...which has been in Rockefeller hands since the 1920's.Just plug in "Council on Foreign Relations" into your browser and step back. The Enroners are nothing but decoys; toilet paper to be used and discarded. The real criminals are in Washington DC making noises about 'coporate responsibility'...while planning a wholly unncessary war on Iraq...
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Comment #30 posted by The GCW on August 05, 2002 at 09:21:01 PT
kaptinemo
oligarchy ?How about oilarchy.
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Comment #29 posted by observer on August 05, 2002 at 09:06:16 PT
Old Trick ... Just Under-used and Not Reported
I'm glad Marc likes my idea so well he is going to use it ???see:
http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/4/thread4168.shtml#6
http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/11/thread11573.shtml#6
etc. etc.This is an old trick ... it is just that the police state and their lapdog press know that if they talk about this idea (of jamming the dogs), then they will spread knowledge of the technique. P.S. Ever heard of the phrase "red herring"? ... "from the practice of drawing a red herring across a trail to confuse hunting dogs."
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Comment #28 posted by Mari on August 05, 2002 at 08:59:28 PT
confusing dogs
When my husband was working off shore in the north sea, someone decided to bring in drug dogs to the oil rigg. A mixture of cayenne pepper and crushed hemp seed was dusted everywhere. The dogs were rendered useless almost immediately. Not only that, but he heard later that some of the dogs were ruined for drug sniffing from there on out. Guess they assosiated the pain of the cayenne with the smell of cannabis.It was cruel to an extent but the dogs weren't permanently harmed, just rendered useless as drug dogs.
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Comment #27 posted by John Tyler on August 05, 2002 at 08:54:43 PT
Poll results
Would you approve or disapprove of allowing people to keep three ounces of marijuana at home? Approve 68.95 % (151)
Disapprove 31.05 % (68) Total votes: 219 as of 8/5/2002 11:42 EST
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Comment #26 posted by John Tyler on August 05, 2002 at 08:46:42 PT
Biblical Daniel
They Daniel bible story is viewed by many biblical scholars as nothing but historical fiction. It was ghost written during a later period of jewish history when jewish territory was dominated by the Greeks who ruled them harshly. It was written to give the Jews courage to survive and was tucked into the Bible for added legitimacy. It's funny how religious fanatics don't understand their own religion.
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Comment #25 posted by Dankhank on August 05, 2002 at 08:37:04 PT:
who was that?????
Here we go ...Pulp Fiction
soundtrack lyricsSpringfield, Dusty - Son of a Preacher Man
Billy-Ray was a Preacher's son,
And when his daddy would visit he'd come along,
When they gathered round and started talking,
Cousin Billy would take me walking,
Through the back yard we'd go walking,
Then he'd look into my eyes,
Lord knows to my suprise: The only one who could ever reach me,
Was the son of a preacher man,
The only boy who could ever teach me,
Was the son of a preacher man,
Yes he was, he was, oh yes he was. Being good isn't always easy,
No matter how hard I tried,
When he started sweet talking to me,
he'd come tell me everything is alright,
he'd kiss and tell me everything is alright,
Can I get away again tonight?. The only one who could ever reach me,
Was the son of a preacher man,
The only boy who could ever teach me,
Was the son of a preacher man,
Yes he was, he was, oh yes he was. How well I remember,
The look that was in his eyes,
Stealing kisses from me on the sly,
Taking time to make time,
Telling me that he's all mine,
Learning from each others knowing,
Looking to see how much we'd grown. The only one who could ever reach me,
Was the son of a preacher man,
The only boy who could ever teach me,
Was the son of a preacher man,
Yes he was, he was, oh yes he was.[ www.stlyrics.com ]
Hemp N Stuff ...
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Comment #24 posted by JR Bob Dobbs on August 05, 2002 at 08:18:24 PT
C-O
If you get arrested and found to be in possession of Caryophyllene Oxide, is it considered a controlled substance on the level of THC oil? If not, then it's a much better thing for activists to carry for this purpose.Don't just spray the cars. If you can, soak the cops! Or buy one of those nylon faux-hemp plant looking things and saturate it with some Caryophyllene Oxide. Wonder how long it'd take the narcs to realize they'd alighted on a phony. ("Hey, this isn't cocaine! This is sheetrock!!") Spray some on the cop cars. Spray some on the chief of police. Spray some on Asa Hutchinson. Let's turn these dogs to our advantage. Don't just confuse them - use them!
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Comment #23 posted by Sam Adams on August 05, 2002 at 07:35:15 PT
Thanks DS
The poor doggies don't know what they're doing, they just want to get a biscuit or something. Don't drop ammonia down there.One of my relatives is involved with the places that train dogs for handicapped people - not blind people, people in wheelchairs, etc. It took them like 5 years to get funding to the program started, and they still barely squeek by, the waiting list for dogs has hundreds of people on it.Just think of all the taxpayer money lavished on drug-sniffing dog training. Didn't I read somewhere that drug dogs outnumber explosive-sniffing dogs by like 10 to 1?
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Comment #22 posted by Dark Star on August 05, 2002 at 07:27:14 PT:
Caryophyllene Oxide
Caryophyllene oxide is an aromatic compound found in cannabis and lemon balm. It can be purchased:http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/cgi-bin/hsrun/Distributed/HahtShop/HAHTpage/HS_CatalogSearchDark Star provides this information as an educational service and neither recommends or supports sabotage or other construed illegal activities that might interfere with the War on Drugs.Free the Canines Bound to Servitude in an Unjust War!
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Comment #21 posted by 2Spooky on August 05, 2002 at 07:18:26 PT
Imagine that
I'm glad Marc likes my idea so well he is going to use it =).Just goes to show you how great a resource this website is!Say, what is caryophyllene oxide and where do you get it?
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Comment #20 posted by Zero_G on August 05, 2002 at 07:14:28 PT
p4me
Unanswered Questions. Seems like a good idea for a website. p4me It is.UnansweredQuestions.org (UQ) is a dynamic and evolving online meeting place for researchers, investigative journalists and concerned citizens to pose thoughtful and engaging questions about today's most pressing issues.It is our hope and intention to see the most important of these questions answered and communicated to as wide an audience as is possible; and to offer some guidance in that process. In this fashion UQ will serve as a knowledge and information source.Our implementation strategy is to pursue the following tracks concurrently:1) Deep Research /Analysis and Database Management: accessing alternative support networks while documenting mainstream press reports and government documents2) Grass-roots Activism and Fulcrum point Lobbying 3) Multi-media Communications, Education and Public Relations4) Citizens' Investigative Commission on 9-11: UQ has formerly launched this initiative and is facilitating the coordination of this international effort. Please contact Kyle F. Hence to get involved.We launched UQ on issues surrounding the attacks of September 11th, 2001 at a conference at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. on June 10, 2002. This was an unprecedented presentation and press conference featuring some of the leading 9/11 investigative journalists, law firms representing families of victims of September 11th and the family members themselves.Audio, video and written transcripts of the press conference are now available.We 'represent' growing numbers from around the world who are skeptical of the official story offered and who insist on bringing the truth to light while defending the cause of Freedom.While 9/11 remains our primary and immediate focus, we intend to explore other areas of concern vital to securing a hopeful and peaceful future here in the US and around the world.http://www.unansweredquestions.org
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Comment #19 posted by xxdr_zombiexx on August 05, 2002 at 06:33:37 PT
Marc Emery
Marc emery always makes me feel bad. Lie I am just wasting my own life.I always see him standing in some fabulous indoor field of outargeuos cannabis plants, or smoking a joint and fussing at the police with a bullhorn.This idea of spraying the ships is brilliant.Certainly there is a way to get some sort of sythetic product that confuse (or pleasures, he he) the dog's taxpayer-trained noses. Something like that should be available by the gallon or 33 gallon drum. It could be put in the nice inexpensive sprayers I see at Home Depot (John Ashcroft shops at Home DeSpot). Would be a good project to get a few sprayers and some healthy like-minded people and Spray, Spray, Spray......spray all the city, county, state and federal buildings.Spray every K-9 unit car that can be sneaked up on....hide on overpasses and spray all the passing vehicles...mail sponges soaked in it to famous Prohibitioinsts.Spray all the entrances to coliseums and arenas, sports stadiums, churches, fast food restaurants.I keep imagining the scene in Up in Smoke where the dog sniffs the van made from weed.... only everywhere....That Mr. Emery is always teaching me something.
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Comment #18 posted by kaptinemo on August 05, 2002 at 05:48:19 PT:
I sometimes fantasize...
...what if Nader or Browne had been allowed to debate Snore and Gush?From: Year 501 http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/year/year-c01-s09.htmlNoting approvingly that British diplomacy had prevented the 1932 disarmament convention from banning bombardment of civilians, the equally respected statesman Lloyd George observed that "we insisted on reserving the right to bomb niggers," capturing the basic point succinctly. The metaphors of "Indian fighting" were carried right through the Indochina wars. The conventions retain their vibrancy, as we saw in early 1991 and may again, before too long. The rest of the planet knows what too Americans have yet to realize; the US is run by an oligarchy of interlocking commercial interests led by oil company executives - many of which are also linked by marriage. The behavior of this thoroughly 'incestuous' grouping of political power and money is well known throughout the world. All you have to do is look where there are large oil deposits or major pipeline routes, and you'll find US troops either engaged in 'peacekeeping efforts' (keeping the 'wogs' down so they don't trouble the shareholders back home) or bombing the bejeezus out of those too recalcitrant to play ball, Lloyd George fashion - like Afghanistan. But Americans blithely went on about their business...until those sick and tired of being on the receiving end of this 'business' decided to make their displeasure known.And 3,000 people died in one day, here.But if Browne or Nader had had a chance to speak, it might have been a signal to the world that there is an opposition to The Oligarchy. That signal might have forestalled the tragedy that we experienced...and we are creating 10-fold again in Afghanistan.All for oil and power. Pure and simple. And ugly.
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Comment #17 posted by The GCW on August 05, 2002 at 04:29:34 PT
Poll
http://www.rgj.com/opinion/Would you approve or disapprove of allowing people to keep three ounces of marijuana at home? 63.64% approve so far...
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Comment #16 posted by E_Johnson on August 05, 2002 at 03:15:22 PT
His father was an abusive con man
"Evangelist Ashcroft" would regale revival meetings with his testimony about how an exploding gasoline can turned him into a human torch -- until God gave him a "miraculous healing."Sure, of course. Uh huh.He said his father was a "chair gripper" -- a dental patient who opted to get teeth drilled without Novocaine.Makes you wonder what parenting techniques he used. He then helped persuade the wary Assemblies of God -- inclined to see higher education as the source of social woesOh these people really are the Taliban!Al Gore wants to share a hard line against medical marijuana with the likes of this man?Clinton should really go to hell for starting that case against Oakland that ended up in the Supreme Court.
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Comment #15 posted by Sam Adams on August 04, 2002 at 22:59:38 PT
Ashcroft
that article makes me think of how it's really the Democrats who let us down. You can admire one thing about the Repub's - they don't pull any punches. They got control (actually stole it) of the presidency...they go all the way. The plugged in Ashcroft and others from the extreme right into Cabinet positions. When was the last time the Dems brought in Ralph Nader to run the EPA or Sec. of the Interior? Abbie Hoffman as Attorney General? The Democrats have no spine.
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Comment #14 posted by p4me on August 04, 2002 at 22:54:56 PT
Robin Prosser wrote a good piece
Robin Prosser is beginning a hemp diet and has just written her first entry since recovering from her 2 month long fast. Her writing just proves that MJ prohibition has nothing to do with reasoning. http://www.cannabisnow.org/home.html1,2
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Comment #13 posted by The GCW on August 04, 2002 at 22:13:00 PT
That link is from Christians for Cannabis
on one of the forum posts.It does have some insight to the dilema of Bush's confessed Skull n bones implications. Bad bad news.Believe Me when I tell You, in this world there ARE, Biblical implications whether or not You accept it. This stuff Bush is on, is prevelent and it matters.This is Hitler, evolved.Christ God Our Father through the Holy Spirit of Truth, is the enemy of Skull n bones.People may find themselves a part of one or the other, with out even knowing it. Dylan said it: You gotta serve somebody.
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Comment #12 posted by The GCW on August 04, 2002 at 22:05:30 PT
link to some inside Bush / skull n bones stuff.
Was it Aretha Franklin?Title: PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- CHRISTIAN OR ILLUMINIST? http://cuttingedge.org/news/n1463.cfm This article is still off a bit, in many ways,,, They don't understand the implications of failing the litmus test on the very 1st page of the Bible, and how it effects the rest of the steps in the walk, that being the very 1st step...
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Comment #11 posted by FoM on August 04, 2002 at 21:14:12 PT
You're Welcome Kapt!
The article about John Ashcroft didn't have anything about drug policy so I didn't want to post it but I wanted you all to be able to read it. I personally know people who believe like Ashcroft. They are narrow sighted and not open to explanations that are contrary to what they believe. The logic of reason escapes them. In a democracy we should be open to listening to others views and be slow to form an opinion about views that are not our own. When a person or a society closes its mind then I feel that society becomes a victim and will not survive. There is nothing new under the sun and history does repeat itself so where we are headed if things don't change isn't hard to figure out in my opinion.
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Comment #10 posted by kaptinemo on August 04, 2002 at 20:57:53 PT:
Thank you, FoM
That insight into Ashcroft's background was as illuminating as it was frightening. This man is truly, truly dangerous. And he runs the Justice Department?I am reminded of what H. L. Mencken said about a government run by cynics would be more humane than one ran by moralists. Ashcroft has certainly proved that with his actions against the cannabis therapy clubs. And he believes that 'God told him to do it'?All across the planet, fundamentalism of one stripe or another is rising...with horrific results for those deemed insufficiently pious. We here in the US turn on our TV's and see nightly one example or another of 'high (no pun intended) strangeness' - or so we'd think - regarding the beliefs that people around the globe engage in...and justify their butcheries by. We think we're so much more evolved than them...while not seeing the same dangerous rise in irrationality being passed off as spiritual practice. The proof of that is when we have people like Ashcroft in power.How goes that phrase? "God, protect me from your believers!"
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Comment #9 posted by E_Johnson on August 04, 2002 at 20:55:36 PT
Remember that old song
The only man who could ever reach mewas the son of a preacher manThe only man who could ever teach mewas the son of a preacher manYes he was yes he was Ooooooooooooooooooooooooh yes he wasWho was that by? That was hot.
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Comment #8 posted by kaptinemo on August 04, 2002 at 20:38:04 PT:
BTW: Dogs hate ammonia
Tends to really hurt those sensitive nasal passages even more than it does a human's. Now, if a few passengers started dropping small, fragile glass bottles of ammonia on the ferry decks...
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Comment #7 posted by kaptinemo on August 04, 2002 at 20:16:51 PT:
Next they'll outlaw squirt bottles
And teach the dogs to scent plastic. The antis are soooooo predictable.
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Comment #6 posted by FoM on August 04, 2002 at 20:04:32 PT
Off Topic: Son of a Preacher Man
Son of a Preacher Man
How John Ashcroft's religion shapes his public service.
Vicki Haddock, Insight Staff Writer
Sunday, August 4, 2002
Copyright: 2002 San Francisco Chronicle
Of all the Bible stories John Ashcroft knows by heart, none mirrors his own life like the Old Testament melodrama of Daniel.
As a Hebrew captive exiled to Babylon, Daniel worked his way into the palace and was promoted to a high-ranking administrative position. The powers- that-be saw him as smart and politically ambitious, but also as a sanctimonious prig. His religious rectitude invited ridicule, as when he refused to "defile" himself by partaking of the rich food and wine of royalty because his God favored a vegetable-and-water diet.
So his critics set him up, persuading King Darius to outlaw worship of anyone else but the king. Daniel kept praying. They dropped him into a den of lions.
Complete Article: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/08/04/IN136349.DTL
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Comment #5 posted by The GCW on August 04, 2002 at 19:57:56 PT
PART 3 AT THE VERY BOTTOM...
IS THE SPICIFIC location of this quote. The included link is Part 1... The series was informative.
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Comment #4 posted by The GCW on August 04, 2002 at 19:49:23 PT
hire U.S. public relations firm to lobby into war
From someones post / links... I read this.They are talking about drumming up support to kill more in Iraq...These sick ones are trying to get support for war.There is implication in the past they used / "hire U.S. public relations firm Hill & Knowlton to lobby Congress and the American people into a war frenzy against Iraq."from: http://www.scoop.co.nz/archive/scoop/stories/a1/bd/200207231750.58b437af.html. And neither Bush let the press know that they had permitted Kuwait and Bahrain to infuse $19.6 million in foreign cash to hire U.S. public relations firm Hill & Knowlton to lobby Congress and the American people into a war frenzy against Iraq. It would be good to expose that the ones who support caging humans for using plants, will buy this type of horror.
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Comment #3 posted by p4me on August 04, 2002 at 18:58:35 PT
Canadians being protected from MJ, how nice
"Operation High Seas" netted seven kilograms of marijuana Tuesday and led to three arrests.That's nice if you like to see people doing no harm to no one else arrested. Would prohibitionist logic say that if police do not arrest marijuana users they are doing no harm to anyone and would therefore have to arrest themselves. Yea, I shouldn't worry about prohibitionist thinking.Why if you were to start thinking about prohibitionist logic you would think the person that is President of the USA would speak on the issue of civil war in this country. The federal government has a war against the 9 states that have medical marijuana and the President does not speak. Isn't civil war against 73% of the people worth a mention. Didn't he just get a raise to $400,000 a year. Isn't that enough to make him concerned enough about our civil war to speak?Well the Republican Fascist are going to ice him for 30 days so the ventriloquist can right new lines for their dummy. Why does he need so long to learn his lines when all he has to do is read what is put before him. Unanswered Questions. Seems like a good idea for a website. One thing is for sure. The dummy won't be talking about the justification of federal MJ and MMJ laws, because even the speech writing ventriloquist cannot figure out how to defend such an outlandish position and they cannot call on any Laguardia Report or Nixon report, or the 1982 Report or even a UK or Canadian Report to justify their outrageous position.I am sure the number one rule in the prohibitionist camp is do not let the dummy speak on marijuana and we wouldn't want the press to ask him about his big lie before the election. 96% of Republicans say Dim Son is doing ok at his job reading speeches. Those Republicans hang together even with fascist running the show. If the leading sheep turns on a path against the Republican fascist leading us into a $412 billion dollar deficit, all of the sheep might follow and then where would the fascist agenda be?1,2
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Comment #2 posted by Dark Star on August 04, 2002 at 18:41:28 PT
The Monkey Wrench Gang Strikes Again
The iconoclast in this celestial body loves the news.However, why waste herbal resources when a little caryophyllene oxide goes a long way? I smell the stench of DEA in this whole operation. I wonder how long before caryophyllene oxide becomes Schedule I because it could interfere with the War on Drugs?
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Comment #1 posted by E_Johnson on August 04, 2002 at 18:23:39 PT
I can't resist
Has anyone found a way to distill Eau de Krispy Kreme?
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