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Refugee Try To Gain Acceptance for Use of Cannabis
Posted by CN Staff on August 03, 2002 at 08:46:39 PT
By Jane Armstrong
Source: Globe and Mail 
It's noon and Steve Kubby is puffing on his third joint of the day. He'll smoke nine more before the sun sets on this sleepy, seaside community. Mr. Kubby has a rare form of adrenal cancer and says he will die if he doesn't consume that much marijuana every day.He doesn't look stoned, or even sick. Dressed in a crisp blue suit and talking a mile a minute, he could pass for an over-caffeinated stockbroker. If anything, the trim, 56-year-old Californian looks the picture of health. He says that's because he has been smoking pot every day for more than 20 years.
Shortly after he was diagnosed with cancer, an old college friend, Richard Marin (also known as Cheech of the pot-smoking Cheech and Chong comedy duo) suggested he try marijuana to ease his discomfort. It worked.Mr. Kubby says cannabis prevents his blood pressure from skyrocketing and keeps his tumours from spreading. His claims are backed by written testimonials from U.S. and Canadian specialists. But Mr. Kubby said his need for marijuana made him a target in the United States, where authorities are bent on maintaining zero tolerance for drug use.It also turned him into a fugitive, and now he and his family are seeking political asylum in Canada.Mr. Kubby is not alone. Three other Americans have made refugee claims in recent months. As Canada moves toward liberalizing its marijuana laws, some observers predict the cases could prompt a flood of similar claims from the United States.Mr. Kubby says he fits the United Nations definition of a political refugee. He says he and his wife, Michele, 36, were targeted, arrested and put on trial because of his pot dependence. At their home in Squaw Valley, Calif., the Kubbys kept more than 200 plants before sheriff's deputies arrived at their door in 1999, confiscated the crop and charged Mr. Kubby with 19 counts of cultivating and trafficking marijuana.In an interview at his three-storey rented house overlooking this fishing and logging town of 8,000 about an hour's drive and ferry ride north of Vancouver, Mr. Kubby said: "I have been singled out for persecution."That is the definition of a refugee, being singled out for persecution because of my condition."As if on cue, Mr. Kubby announces partway through the interview: "I've got to medicate." He grabs a 10-centimetre-long joint from a glass jar, steps out on the balcony and lights up, inhaling deeply.With their sparkling white teeth, preppy clothes and thick manes of hair, Mr. and Mrs. Kubby don't fit the stereotype of die-hard pot activists. They look and act like the all-American couple.Mrs. Kubby pumps one's hand enthusiastically while her husband offers refreshments during an interview. Daughters Brook, 6, and Crystal, 2, play in the living room with Adam the babysitter, rounding out the image of serene, middle-class domesticity.Mr. and Mrs. Kubby met in 1995 on a gondola at a Lake Tahoe ski hill, where Mr. Kubby published an outdoor magazine. In 1998, Mr. Kubby ran for governor of California as a Libertarian candidate, taking 70,000 votes. They were living the good life, until, as Mr. Kubby puts it, the United States' so-called war on drugs came to their living room.By then, Mr. Kubby was a well-known marijuana activist. He ran his campaign for governor to garner support for Proposition 215, an initiative that allowed for certain patients to use marijuana for medical reasons. The proposition passed.His interest in the subject was personal. In 1975, he was diagnosed with adrenal cancer. He underwent radiation and chemotherapy, but his doctors gave him two years to live.Then, at Mr. Marin's suggestion, he began smoking marijuana. It controlled his blood pressure, improved his appetite and dulled the pain. He has been smoking and growing his own crops ever since. During his bid for the governorship, he went public with his habit, which he suspects enraged law-enforcement authorities.But after a highly publicized trial in which he used Proposition 215 as a defence, a jury acquitted him of the cultivation and trafficking charges. He was convicted on two misdemeanour counts of possession and sentenced to four months house arrest. One condition was that he abstain from marijuana during that time.Mr. Kubby left the United States because he said the conditions amounted to a death sentence.Despite his acquittal on the more serious charges, Mr. Kubby said the U.S. government is clamping down on states such as California that have passed laws allowing the medical use of marijuana. In recent months, several medicinal marijuana clubs have been raided.Once in Canada, the Kubbys accepted a $50,000 (U.S.) contract from B.C. marijuana activist Marc Emery to produce and broadcast news for Pot-TV, a Web site providing news on marijuana issues. They produce their show from their Sechelt home.The refugee claims have prompted some eye-rolling in Canada, especially the suggestion that the Americans face imminent death if returned to their homeland. Some refugee experts say the claimants will have a hard time persuading an immigration panel that the United States is targeting sick Americans for persecution.The UN definition says a person must prove a well-founded fear of persecution based on race, religion, political beliefs, nationality or membership in a social group."The actual definition of a refugee in the legislation is quite narrow," said Janet Dench of the Canadian Council for Refugees.However, Raoul Boulakia, president of the Refugee Lawyers Association of Ontario, noted that recent changes to the Immigration Act say a refugee can also be someone who faces cruel and unusual punishment if returned home.The ailing pot users could make that argument, Mr. Boulakia said.Meanwhile, Mr. Kubby's life in Canada hasn't been hassle-free.In April, RCMP and Immigration officers arrived at the Kubbys' home, seized 164 marijuana plants and charged Mr. Kubby with cultivating marijuana for the purpose of trafficking. He is scheduled to appear in court this month, when he will ask a judge to dismiss the charges on the basis of medical need.He was held in a Vancouver remand centre for four days, during which time Mr. Kubby said he went into hypertensive shock. Without marijuana, he suffered severe diarrhea and vomiting. He said he lost 20 pounds in four days and believes he would have died had he remained much longer in custody.The couple hope that Canada's criminal and immigration system will show leniency and compassion. They say they love Canada's tolerance and never want to return to California.They have even started to say "eh" at the end of their sentences."We're just a family trying to survive," Mrs. Kubby said.Note: Four Americans battle to persuade Canada that the U.S. persecutes people who need marijuana.Complete Title: Would-Be Reefer Refugees Try To Gain Acceptance for Medical Use of CannabisNewshawk: puff_tuff Source: Globe and Mail (Canada)Author: Jane ArmstrongPublished: Saturday, August 3, 2002 – Print Edition, Page A3Copyright: 2002 The Globe and Mail CompanyContact: letters globeandmail.caWebsite: http://www.globeandmail.ca/Related Articles & Web Site: Pot-TVhttp://www.pot-tv.net/ Winchester Decision Now Available Online http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread13618.shtmlFleeing North - AlterNethttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread13400.shtmlDrug Refugees - Report Newsmagazine http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread13224.shtml Medical Marijuana Users Take Refuge in Canada http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread12972.shtml 
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Comment #33 posted by freedom fighter on August 04, 2002 at 22:00:03 PT
The Verdict is in!
We, the human beings are all HUMAN BEINGS!So very HUMAN!Just remember this, each of us have to get up in the morning. We each have to change our underwear each day unless you want to die with a dirty underwear!:)ffPS) Happy be-lated birthday, my friend.. Hope you don't feel a year older but younger!ff
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Comment #32 posted by Dan B on August 04, 2002 at 16:41:33 PT:
Thanks again, and Let's Not Bicker
First, thanks for all the birthday wishes, and Nuevo Mexican--I was so happy to see your post. I wanted to ask you to please read my chart, but I didn't want to impose, so I just hoped you would out of the kindness of your heart, and you did. Thanks!I recently sent in a poetry book for a publication contest at The Texas Review, so we'll see what happens. It looks like the stars are saying I'll have a good chance. And, incidentally, I will publish another book (a course guide for a poetry class) by the end of September. So, the publishing part is dead on already! Thanks.Now, about all this disagreement as to one place being better than another, one set of people being better than another: all places and all people have good and bad qualities. We are individuals, and we are defined by our own actions, not the actions of those who happen to live closeby, nor the actions of our governments, nor the actions of those who happen to look like us. Let's all try to be careful about stereotyping, which leads to prejudice, which leads to genocide.Dan B
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Comment #31 posted by Floyd on August 04, 2002 at 14:28:18 PT:
E_Johnson's offensive comments
"Canadians are not all that tolerant. Their intolerance just comes out in diffrerent ways.
For example I have heard through various sources that they do not let black people emigrate there. 
I don't think Sister Somayah would be allowed to emigrate to Canada. 
The people at POT TV love Somayah but I think Canadian immgration would have a very big problem with her because Canada is pretty much all white, and pretty much intends to stay that way."    - E_JohnsonHello,
 I love this board, and enjoy hearing everyone's views. However, as a Canadian, I am shocked and disgusted at E-Jonson's incredibly ignorant comments on Canada's immigration policy. Your disturbing allegations are a prime reminder to me that while we may all share a cause, we are not all intelligent, open-minded people.
 Your on the wrong side if hurtful propaganda is your style of argument, E_Johnson.      Thanks,
        Jeff Kenneally
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Comment #30 posted by kaptinemo on August 04, 2002 at 11:23:54 PT:
The Bush chopper photo
Pardon me, but the way he is looking down, it looks more like he's searching for a significant portion of his male reproductiove system.I have a hint for him; look in Dick Cheney's pocket. While he's at it, he should also rummage around in there for his brains....Or perhaps it's the same thing?
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Comment #29 posted by Dankhank on August 04, 2002 at 10:46:08 PT:
Nitpickers ...
Hello, all ...Let's all try to get together on this ...We must fight the oppressors, not each other ...I never made it to Vancover, but really enjoyed Montana and all other points in the NW.Now back in boring, hot SW OK, but ... JC Watts is not running for reelection ... HOOray !!!!!!!Peace to all who fight and confusion to the rest ...
Hemp N Stuff ...
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Comment #28 posted by lookinside on August 04, 2002 at 09:26:25 PT
CA vs. CA
Another Californian here. The refugees in B.C. will come back when they can feel that their lives are not being risked with the move.My roots go very deep here. Even so, I've considered fleeing.The downside of relocation is the Canadian health system. Sick people must wait months for care that is readily available here.Currently, Canada is schizophrenic in its attitudes toward Medical Cannabis. If they can muster the strength to legalize the medical use of Cannabis, we might reconsider relocating.Never knowing, day to day, whether the California legal system might imprison us because of my wife's needs is an uncomfortable way to live.
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Comment #27 posted by goneposthole on August 04, 2002 at 07:11:32 PT
sun, surf and sand
In California, there is sun, surf and sand. It's a shakin' place. Just like any other place on earth, it is both good and bad. Guy Clark is from Texas, and he loathed L.A."If I can just get off of this LA freeway without gettin' killed or caught.I'd be down the road in a cloud of smoke to some land I ain't bought, bought, bought."-Guy ClarkGood luck to all of you.
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Comment #26 posted by qqqq on August 04, 2002 at 04:07:11 PT
...by the way...
..EJ...I found your profanity to be excruciatingly delightful,,,and I am proud to know that you also live in California!!!!...California uber alles!
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Comment #25 posted by E_Johnson on August 04, 2002 at 02:36:06 PT
But Steve could fall into the Soviet emigre trap
This statement that he is never coming back to California is like the negative projections that people forced by the KGB to leave the Soviet Union because of their politics also made, and they ended up becoming bitter and kept projecting negativity during Gorbachev and after.Steve is kind of saying that he won't be back to celebrate with us when we win.Is he saying that we won't win or that we aren't going to be worth celebrating with if we do?It's like the writers who left the USS saying they would never ever be back, projecting that the Soviet sustem really could last forever. That was not a hopeful or nice projection to cast back on the people who stayed to fight the fight.
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Comment #24 posted by dddd on August 04, 2002 at 02:28:45 PT
...yea...happy freekin' birthday Dan...
...you California traitor Texas asshole!....I'm startin' to think about movin' to Texas....I've heard they have the biggest of everything there,,and there is no denying that the biggest shithead to ever be appointed pResidunt,is from Texas!....Enron and its Texas cohorts got away with defrauding Californians out of untold billions,in one of the biggest scams ever!..(and there is not even ONE Texan behind bars for this!)
 
 
...no...actually,,I'm kidding,(as if you didnt know.).even if your name was Dan Bin-ladenworth,,and you were from Bagdad,,,you would still be The Best!......I'm quite pissed off at Texas in a certain way....but it's not Texas fault!..it's stupid to blame a place,but everyone tends to be stupid now and then,and fall prey to the irresistable urge to blame things on places..Texas is not to be blamed for anything...you cant blame a place where people live,,or they are from,for the things that they do as individuals.,,,but,,if the US government had a consistent policy of blaming places where people are from,,like they did,[and are doing],with Afghanistan,, they would have carpet bombed Enron headquarters with Daisy Cutters,,and "Kenny Boy",would be in that camp X-ray prison in Cuba...{(Cuba!...Cuba???...what the fuck's up with that?)}......
 
..as far as I'm concerned,,,Texas,,and Texans are just fine!...I would no sooner condemn Texas,,because Dubya,or Enron are from there,,as I would condemn California because Charles Manson was from here..[?}
 
 
....Happy Birthday Doctor Dan,,and many more to come!......LoL........................dddd
 
 
..cool Texans:
 
Johnny Winter...Stevie Ray Vaughan....Willie Nelson(?).....Buddy Holly.........Ron Paul MD....Janis Joplin..
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Comment #23 posted by E_Johnson on August 04, 2002 at 02:22:44 PT
Oh yeah happy birthday :-)
Keep up the good work!
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Comment #22 posted by goneposthole on August 03, 2002 at 22:52:05 PT
Great White North Canadians
Please don't stereotype Canadians. When I visit Canada, I see Chinese, Native Americans, Jamaicans, French. Scots, Italians; in fact, every race and many nationalities reside in Canada. They all have their reasons for being there. To think that every Canadian is blonde-haired and blue-eyed with white skin is what? It is not true. 
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Comment #21 posted by puff_tuff on August 03, 2002 at 22:15:48 PT
DanB
Also on this date, Aug.3 in 1977, President Jimmy Carter said he supported recommendations that simple possession of marijuana be decriminalized. Damn, 25 years ago, I sure hope no one's been holding their breath that long.Happy Birthday, eh
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Comment #20 posted by Nuevo Mexican on August 03, 2002 at 20:33:13 PT
Happy B-day Dan!
I know you didn't ask, but here's the scoop! The planet of luck, travel, expansion, publishing, and philosophy Jupiter, will be in your sign all year, as of Aug 1st! This only happens once every 12 years and is just what you need to make up for the 6 1/2 years or so (roller coaster-itis) and by April of next year, things will be more excellent! Legal matters are favored as well, and happiness (jovial Jupiters influence)will be your friend! I guess, if you're happy, we'll all be happy, and that is good news for the Cannabis movent! With 3 planets in Lovable Leo and 3 in perfectionistic Virgo, fame and fortune come from 2 different things, but prominent roles in the world seek you out! Cool Chart Dan B, I always felt your visionary and leader-like qualities, but you balance them with a desire to serve and provide the details as well! If you want me to go into more details here, I will, but i'm being more general due to the open nature of this forum. Anyway, Happy Birthday to you Dan B. and enjoy your lucky year. Anything you start this year will bring benefits for 12 more!
NM
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Comment #19 posted by FoM on August 03, 2002 at 20:23:08 PT
p4me
Thanks! That's what he did. Today Bush and Bush were golfing after senior Bush had surgery. Like going out in the sun is a smart thing to do. They look so much a like it's down right scary.
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Comment #18 posted by p4me on August 03, 2002 at 20:12:27 PT
FoM
Here is a link to a picture of Busch hitting his head: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/020802/168/1yu3f.html1,2
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Comment #17 posted by E_Johnson on August 03, 2002 at 19:43:24 PT
Everybody hurts
Of course Steve Kubby is a great hero and he was forced from his homeland by brutal thugs disguised as law enforcement professionals.But he doesn't have to wave such a strenuous goodbye to California when many people here are facing trials and prisons. We can't solve the problem by everyone emigrating. That was true in the Soviet case and it is true in the present case which bears many similarities to the Soviet case.I will say that in my observation of both groups, people who had to emigrate from the USSR in the seventies ended up less happy than the people who actually ended up serving prison time in the USSR.It's bizarre to say but I have seen it with my own eyes.Arseny Roginsky served three years in the camps, and he came out of that experience WAY more mentally well adjusted than the people whom the KGB forced to leave and go to America.The political refugee experience is not as great as it is cracked up to be and I'll bet that's true even in magical BC.
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Comment #16 posted by Imprint on August 03, 2002 at 17:37:47 PT
Kubby is OK
Stay in Canada or the US. Who cares. It’s his life, his wife’s life his kids life. It’s not up to me or anyone else to judge him. This guy has given up a lot and it sounds to me like he just might die if California is allowed to imprison him for four months. And frankly if he does do the four months and lives it might not bode well for the whole medical marijuana movement. I hope he is successful and happy wherever he is. 
 I think a little rivalry between states or countries is fine and it’s healthy for the most part. But, I’ll tell ya, a few months ago, when George Bush (senior) made that comment about “Marin Hot Tubers” it pissed me off.  And since I live in the California Bay Area, I have a little sore spot over the gouging done to us with regard to electrical power. So, Texas isn’t on my top ten list right now. But, heck, things change and so will I. 
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Comment #15 posted by The GCW on August 03, 2002 at 14:25:57 PT
Of Soviet coincidence??? Sovietization?
My family (on that side) came here at the time Armenia was being persecuted by the Turks to escape that barbaric murdering people. My grandfather's brother was killed by the Turks, while helping Granpa escape from the Caucasus Mountains, his home. Many Armenians escaped, including My Grandmother from Yerevan.It is said that if the world would've stepped in and stopped that, Hitler wouldn't have been able to proceed.A while back there was concern and dismay over what was it, the Taliban breaking Bhudist statues???Now still, the Turks are decimating Christian artifacts like what has never existed. & nobody says a thing. The Turks are now of interest to America. The Turks proceed, but now with the help of the American government.As Christians, the Armenians were and are a significant people. The 1st to, as a nation accept Christianity. The 1st alphebet, I think. As National Geographic mentions in the latest: Aug. '02, perhaps the 1st pioneers from Africa, are in this land. That is reafirmed in Urantia, which I believe states the Uratian beginnings are also right there in the neighborhood. While it may have been considered the center of the Universe as they knew it, I feel like today the land emediatly under My feet is the present center of the universe. The Armenians were into schools and religion, instead of war and killing. The city of Ani, was considered the city of 1001 churches, and they included the Zeroastrian fire temples. I used to attend an Armenian church, as a kid, that I think had fire at the alter.The Bush mentality are not for the Sovietization or Hitlerizations... for they were not of success.The Bush bunch, wants to go way beyond what they attained. 
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Comment #14 posted by Dan B on August 03, 2002 at 13:40:35 PT:
Thanks
Thanks, FoM and GCW. You made my day.I'm going to tell that joke for the rest of the day now, GCW. That was great.Dan B
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Comment #13 posted by FoM on August 03, 2002 at 13:36:56 PT
Happy Birthday Dan!
Happy Birthday To You
Happy Birthday To You
Happy Birthday Dear Dan
Happy Birthday To You
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Comment #12 posted by E_Johnson on August 03, 2002 at 13:33:44 PT
Our Sovietization is almost complete
We have embittered forced emigres dissing the homeland and we have meter readers being enlisted to report the behavioral characteristics of residents.Now all we need for the Sovietization of America to be complete is for our largest economic entities to be based on delusional fiction infected with greed and fraud.Um...It's baaaack!
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Comment #11 posted by The GCW on August 03, 2002 at 13:32:44 PT
Happy Birthday Dan
Birthdays only come once a year.Aren't You glad You'r not a birthday?
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Comment #10 posted by E_Johnson on August 03, 2002 at 13:26:43 PT
Oh come on
I've been online since 1989 and I know that any time anything gets said about Texas, the Texan community comes out in full force and says DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS.
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Comment #9 posted by Dan B on August 03, 2002 at 12:54:30 PT:
By the way . . .
I was born in Mountain View, CA, raised in San Jose, CA (August 3, 1968, by the way) until I was eight, and earned my bachelor's degree in Scotts Valley, CA (near Santa Cruz). So, please don't misunderstand me; I have nothing against Californians. I am a California native, and I feel fortunate to have had so many experiences, positive and negative, in that state. I consider Montana my home, but I will always hold a special place in my heart for California as well.Dan B
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Comment #8 posted by FoM on August 03, 2002 at 11:43:46 PT
I Know
Just a little humor here and this is my opinion..The best pot in the world will come from BFE, Anywhere, USA, or Canada or The UK!Actually I have no idea!See what happens on slow news days to my poor mind! LOL!
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Comment #7 posted by Dan B on August 03, 2002 at 11:38:12 PT:
Stereotypes are Annoying
Think Texans are annoying?No. My wife is a Texan, and she is anything but annoying. In fact, I've lived in Texas for nine years now, and I'd have to say that many people here are quite friendly and easy to get along with, just like in any other state. Sure, their are plenty of kooks out there, but you have those everywhere you go; California is far from immune (witness Orange County radical conservatives, the faux-Democrat Dianne Feinstein, Gray Davis--need I say more? I don't base my understanding of Californians on those examples, by the way). Not all Texans drive around with Texas flags flapping on their car antennae, whoopin' and hollerin', playing country music and declaring the greatness of their state. In fact, many born-and-raised Texans are quite intelligent and articulate, and just like members of other states, one could learn a lot by listening to them now and again.The whole "my state is better than yours" mentality is part of the growing culture of hate in this country (note the relationship between nationalism and fascism and communism if you want to know more about where I'm coming from), and I for one will not sit idly by and let it happen. Texans are every bit as human as Californians.Now, if you want to talk about the governmental structures and policies in place for each state, that is another matter altogether.Dan B
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Comment #6 posted by E_Johnson on August 03, 2002 at 11:33:18 PT
A great underrated California sparkling wine
Korbel NaturalNot any other Korbel, just this one, it's soooo crisp, like champage made from pippin apples.I couldn't live anywhere but California.But something like this happened during the Soviet period too when some dissidents were forced by the KGB to emigrate to America, and some of them became so pro-American as a result that it had a very negative emotional impact on the dissidents trying to survive back in the Sooviet Union, and there was a rift. Many members of the Soviet emigre community in America ended up becoming very bitter because they were not Americans, they were Russians and Russia was there real home and people barred by a repressive government from living in their real home can never be happy even though they are required for political purposes to assume the pose of complete and utter joy at their liberated condition.Bitterness and alienation were less a problem among the dissidents who managed to be able to stay in Russia and were able to survive the trials and prisons and other things the KGB sujected them to before 1986 when Gorbachev convinced the KGB and Interior Ministry to let Sakharov out of exile, free the political prisoners and call off the War on Dissent.But it's all over now and I think everyone even dissidents who were dumped on a Swiss airstrip in exchange for captured Soviet spies have had time to heal.And some day we shall too.
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Comment #5 posted by Prime on August 03, 2002 at 11:09:09 PT
California Wines
I'll take an Alexander Valley Silver Oak Cab over anything coming out of France.Yeah, I'm a wine bigot as well!
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Comment #4 posted by VitaminT on August 03, 2002 at 11:01:32 PT
You're starting to sound like . . . 
Dr. Evil_Johnson!Isn't most California pot imported from Texas?
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Comment #3 posted by E_Johnson on August 03, 2002 at 10:15:33 PT
California Rules!
I have state pride.Think Texans are annoying?HAH!We have the surf culture and Dr. Dre and Silicon Valley and a kickass set of mountains and we make the best wine outside of France.And some day we will be the marijuana capital of the world.
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Comment #2 posted by JR Bob Dobbs on August 03, 2002 at 10:11:27 PT
Refugee status
>>Some refugee experts say the claimants will have a hard time persuading an immigration panel that the United States is targeting sick Americans for persecution.   The UN definition says a person must prove a well-founded fear of persecution based on race, religion, political beliefs, nationality or membership in a social group.  Hell-O? How do you expect them to have a hard time proving that the US is targeting sick Americans for persecution? Just because it's not on CNN all the time, doesn't mean it's not happening and not documented. They are being persecuted for their political beliefs - that one of our inalienable rights is the right of medical necessity, and that it supersedes the drug war. Sounds like a political belief to me, and one that they're being persecuted for, and possibly in danger of dying over.  And EJ - I bet, after what the Kubbys are calling the "cannabis curtain" comes down, and there's coffeeshops all across the USA and Canada, I bet Steve and Michelle wouldn't mind coming back to California. However, in order to live long enough to see this happen, they had to leave. Maybe there should be another word to describe it - like the difference between "Nazi Germany" and just "Germany", so that they could say something like, "We're never going to return to DEA-land."
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Comment #1 posted by E_Johnson on August 03, 2002 at 09:22:03 PT
Now I want to use profanity
The couple hope that Canada's criminal and immigration system will show leniency and compassion. They say they love Canada's tolerance and never want to return to California.
Steve --- you're not going to hurt Gray Davis' feelings with this but you are going to hurt mine so fuck you.Your statement using the word NEVER presupposes that we will lose here, and fuck you twice for that one.Canadians are not all that tolerant. Their intolerance just comes out in diffrerent ways.For example I have heard through various sources that they do not let black people emigrate there. I don't think Sister Somayah would be allowed to emigrate to Canada. The people at POT TV love Somayah but I think Canadian immgration would have a very big problem with her because Canada is pretty much all white, and pretty much intends to stay that way.
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