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The Grass is Greener
Posted by CN Staff on July 24, 2002 at 08:08:15 PT
Editorial
Source: Globe and Mail 
When Canada accepted the medical use of marijuana for pain relief last summer, it made no friend of the U.S. government. The Bush administration views any relaxation of the war against drugs, even for medicinal purposes, as anathema, and was already unhappy over the amount of marijuana being smuggled into the U.S. from this country.Canada went ahead anyway, believing it could restrict the availability of legal marijuana to those in real pain. But even benign actions have consequences, and one of them made the news this week: a threatened influx of Americans who want the freedom to smoke marijuana without being hauled off to jail.
At least three Americans living in British Columbia have claimed refugee status, arguing that denying them cannabis amounts to political persecution under the Geneva Conventions.It's hard to buy that claim. However worthy their argument that cannabis is medicine, Americans are not being jailed for holding their opinions, but for acting on them against U.S. law, a law that applies to everyone. It's a slippery climb from there to the threshold of cruel and unusual punishment under the Geneva rules.But the episode emphasizes the trickiness of setting an independent course in so controversial an area. Justice Minister Martin Cauchon was right to suggest recently that Canada should decriminalize the simple possession of marijuana, to remove the criminal record that attaches to so many Canadians for a relatively minor offence. At the same time, such a move would upset the Bush administration, which made its feelings clear earlier this year. Told that judges and politicians in Washington State were thinking of easing up on people convicted of marijuana possession, the policy director of the Office of National Drug Control responded: "I regret to hear that. . . . I will tell you that during this administration we are not going to give up."What are Canadians in for? At the very least, from the U.S. side, tougher border controls to keep Canadian marijuana at bay. From our side, the prospect of receiving, or fighting back, waves of Americans who see this country as a medical sanctuary or, if decriminalization comes, a safer place to smoke dope. Trying to do the right thing can be very complicated. Source: Globe and Mail (Canada)Published: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 – Print Edition, Page A12Copyright: 2002 The Globe and Mail CompanyContact: letters globeandmail.caWebsite: http://www.globeandmail.ca/Related Articles:U.S. Pot Users Seem Unlikely To Get Asylumhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread13519.shtmlDecriminalizing Pot: Why Stop There?http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread13493.shtml
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Comment #45 posted by RavingDave on July 26, 2002 at 23:19:49 PT
Doing What's Right
In response to "The Grass is Greener" (July 24, 2002), there is nothing complicated about doing the right thing. It may only seem complicated on the surface. The fact is, the U.S. is a big bully. This has always been the case, but lately that bully is getting swollen with his own pride at seeing the meek cower in his presence. As a U.S. citizen, I must say I'm extraordinarily ashamed at my country and it's treatment of its own citizens. The U.S. government continues to arrest record numbers of citizens for the lowly offense of cultivating a simple plant. Their crime: using that plant for pleasure. In the eyes of the government, it is self-evident that this should be a crime. Not all Americans agree, but those that disagree are being persecuted for their beliefs.How does all this relate to Canada? Unfortunately, mere proximity is enough to force Canada into the midst of the confrontation. Should this influence Canada's decision to try to make conditions better for its citizens? I think not. Canada has every right to try to eliminate the suffering of its populace. Draconian drug laws have been shown to do nothing in this regard, whereas those who have instituted reforms have seen great success. Canada is right to revise its thinking regarding those laws. What the U.S. thinks about it is of no concern. If U.S. becomes a fascist state, as it is very quickly, then Canada should welcome defectors with open arms, much as the U.S. did during WWII, and has been doing for many years since. Now, what about those swarms of persecuted Americans who will be flocking to your door? This sounds like what we've been putting up with for centuries. People have always viewed America as the land of prosperity, the land of opportunity. For a long time, that was true, but the tide is turning. What would you do, Canada? Would you try to make your country less appealing in order to stem the flow of immigration? Would you dump truckloads of manure on the sidewalks of your beautiful city, in the hope that the reek would drive away the hoards of people seeking a better life? Then why consider the appeal to foreigners when deciding how to legislate a better life for your citizens? And besides, most people who come to Canada to savor the more-permissive climate are likely to be tourists and not immigrants. It's this exact situation which keeps the Netherlands' tourist industry thriving.In closing, an often-stated reason given against the decriminalization of marijuana is that it will send the wrong message to children. But how do you go about explaining to a child that most plants are wonderful enhancements to our planet, while this particular one is "evil?" It would seem that the best way to set a good example for Canadian children is not to jail people for possession of a plant, but to stand up to oppression, and to fight for what is right. Isn't this the most important lesson of all?
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Comment #44 posted by VitaminT on July 24, 2002 at 15:48:19 PT
You got it Zero_G
The mantra of Nixon's White House staff: Blame everything on The Young, The Poor and The Black. Dan Baum documents this fact quite thoroughly in his book "Smoke and Mirrors"
review of "Smoke and Mirrors"
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Comment #43 posted by Zero_G on July 24, 2002 at 14:11:20 PT
Cream Sauce
on the Herring.It should also be remembered that the Controlled Substances Act of 1970 is a direct result of the Vietnam era unrest. Nixon was looking for a way to target blacks and hippies. They couldn't directly make those populations illegal, so they attacked the substances used. And the CIA was directly involved in bringing the heroin home from Indochina.
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Comment #42 posted by FoM on July 24, 2002 at 14:02:09 PT
 Robbie 
Have you ever thought of getting Direct TV? That's what we have because cable isn't available where I live. You can get the dish for free anymore I think. When we got ours back in 94 we paid $700. 
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Comment #41 posted by Robbie on July 24, 2002 at 13:46:55 PT
Donahue tonight - Wednesday
Should be very interesting. No drug policy talk, but Phil, Ralph Nader, Molly Ivins, Kurt Eichenwald (sp) and 1000 former Enron employees.Should make for good television :-) Now if I only had cable.
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Comment #40 posted by Zero_G on July 24, 2002 at 13:43:18 PT
Herrings & History
The Vietnam comments were posted in an attempt to put things in historical perspective. In truth, some Canadian firms as well as some U.S. firms made out like bandits, and many citizens suffered terribly, and there was dissent in both societies.As there is today. Historical perspective can provide insights into, though not exact correlation with current events.Speaking of herrings, fisheries seem to be one of the major "other" bones of contention between the U.S. and Canada.... ;^)> 
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Comment #39 posted by Industrial Strength on July 24, 2002 at 13:11:26 PT
red herring
The Vietnam issue is a red herring and was from the beginning. 
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Comment #38 posted by FoM on July 24, 2002 at 12:33:08 PT
Hope
I find Donahue interesting. I haven't even turned on O'Reilly since Donahue did the show with Governor Johnson. That doesn't make sense.
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Comment #37 posted by Hope on July 24, 2002 at 12:30:17 PT
Off topic...Donahue....ratings
How do they know how many people watch? Is it those boxes they used to put in people's houses? Or do they know from the satellite tune ins? If it's "tune-ins" that they know about somehow...we could just turn it on even if we didn't watch. We need to support this guy. He's probably a powerful ally. It would be good if we could assist at keeping him as powerful as possible. Especially over O'Reilly.From the Drudge Report http://www.drudgereport.com/flash5.htm : DONAHUE RATINGS PLUNGE: EXECUTIVES TWEAK AFTER AUDIENCE PEAK
Wed Jul 24 2002 11:22:05 ET MSNBC executives are looking at ways to stop audience erosion at DONAHUE -- after more than half of the show's viewers have vanished in less than a week! DONAHUE fell to third place Monday [July 22] with a .4 rating, trailing both CNN's CHUNG .8 and FOXNC's O'REILLY 1.6, and down from a .9 from during last Monday's debut run. "We are not looking at this day to day, we are behind this show for the long term," an insider said. "We have to let Phil be Phil." Trying a new format, DONAHUE will leave the studio tonight and take his show live to Houston where he will host a town hall meeting with Ralph Nader and former employees of ENRON. 
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Comment #36 posted by Zero_G on July 24, 2002 at 12:20:50 PT
CANADA AND THE VIETNAM WAR
by VICTOR LEVANT PhD.excerpted from: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Rhodes/1588/During the years 1954 to 1975 Canada served on 2 international truce commissions and provided medical supplies and technical assistance. Canadian diplomats were involved in negotiations between Washington and Hanoi and successive Canadian governments, both Liberal and Conservative, maintained that Ottawa was an impartial and objective peacekeeper, an innocent and helpful bystander negotiating for peace and administering aid to victims of the war. However, Cabinet papers, confidential stenographic minutes of the truce commissions as well as top-secret American government cables revealed Canada to be a willing ally of US counterinsurgency efforts.Canada's record on the truce commissions was a partisan one, rooted in the presumption of Hanoi's guilt and Saigon's innocence and designed to discredit North Vietnam while exonerating South Vietnam from its obligations to uphold the Geneva Agreements. Canadian delegates engaged in espionage for the US Central Intelligence Agency and aided the covert introduction of American arms and personnel into South Vietnam while they spotted for US bombers over North Vietnam. Canadian commissioners shielded the US chemical defoliant program from public inquiry, parlayed American threats of expanded war to Hanoi, and penned the reports legitimating both the rupture of the Geneva Agreements and the US air war over North Vietnam. Ottawa would later assert that these actions were necessary to counter-balance the activities of the Eastern bloc countries with whom they shared membership on the truce commissions.Canadian aid during the war went only to S Vietnam, $29 million 1950-75, routed through the Colombo Plan and the Canadian Red Cross. Although humanitarian in appearance, Canadian assistance was an integral part of the Free World Assistance Program, co-ordinated by the US Department of State with the International Security Office of the Pentagon as the point of contact. In the field, Canadian capital assistance was regulated by the US-RVN Health Defense Agreement and administered by the International Military Assistance Force Office in Saigon. On a number of occasions, Ottawa stopped the shipment of ecumenical medical relief to civilian victims of the war in North Vietnam.At home. 500 firms sold $2.5 billion of war materiel (ammunition, napalm, aircraft engines and explosives) to the Pentagon. Another $10 billion in food, beverages, berets and boots for the troops was exported to the US, as well as nickel, copper, lead, brass and oil for shell casings, wiring, plate armor and military transport. In Canada unemployment fell to record low levels of 3.9%, the gross domestic product rose by 6% yearly, and capital expenditure expanded exponentially in manufacturing and mining as US firms invested more than $3 billion in Canada to offset shrinking domestic capacity as a result of the war. The herbicide "Agent Orange" was tested for use in Vietnam at CFB Gagetown, NB. US bomber pilots practiced carpet-bombing runs over Suffield, Alberta and North Battleford, Sask, before their tours of duty in SE Asia. And the results of the only successful peace initiative to Hanoi--That of Canadian diplomat Chester Ronning--would be kept from public knowledge in order not to harm official US-Canadian relations. Ten thousand young Canadian men fought in the US armed forces in the war. At the same time 20,000 American draft-dodgers and 12,000 army deserters found refuge in Canada.Readings: Victor Levant, QUIET COMPLICITY: CANADIAN INVOLVEMENT IN THE VIETNAM WAR (1986)
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Comment #35 posted by VitaminT on July 24, 2002 at 11:56:35 PT
here's a link
to a REAL drugs-financing-terrorism Of course it's not OUR drug of choice but Uncle Sam's!Also has anyone found a link for the video of the NORML press conf. or the nevada call in programs?
Drugs and Terror
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Comment #34 posted by FoM on July 24, 2002 at 11:44:21 PT
Important E-Mail News
At 01:10 PM 7/24/02 -0400, Kevin B. Zeese wrote:Friends:NORML pulled off a successfull press event today that is leading to a good deal of follow-up media on cable networks (Keith will be on Crossfire debating Asa Hutchison on med mj between 7 and 8 PM EST, I'll be on Wolf Blitzer Reports between 5 and 6 and MSNBC and Fox also are planning to cover the issue.)At the press event four members of Congress spoke along with three patients or family members of patients. The Members were Barny Frank (D-MA), Ron Paul (R-TX), Jan Shakowsky (D-IL) and Dan Rorhbacher (R-CA). Jim and Cheryl Mller of NJ, Gary Stork (who also mentioned Jackie Riechert) of WI and former political advisor to President Reagan, Lynn Nofziger (whose daughter successfully used marijuana when she was battling cancer). Keith Stroup spoke for the reform movement. Other organziations in attendance were SSDP, Common Sense, MPP, Criminal Justice Policy Foundation and the Cato Institute.Congratulations to NORML for pulling off a successful event.Kevin 
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Comment #33 posted by E_Johnson on July 24, 2002 at 11:39:29 PT
They can't take credit for it yet
Canada went ahead anyway, believing it could restrict the availability of legal marijuana to those in real pain.
The Canadian government has not succeeded in delivering any marijuana to those in severe pain, so they can't talk about restricting access that they have yet to provide.
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Comment #32 posted by FoM on July 24, 2002 at 11:27:01 PT
Might Have a Segment on Marijuana Growing in SF
It doesn't show on the link that it might be on but it might be from email I've seen.http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/TalkBack/
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Comment #31 posted by Industrial Strength on July 24, 2002 at 11:21:45 PT
for future reference
This mystical, esoteric, deep throat wannabe stuff isn't really appreciated. Now, as for the small blurb about "Canadian hypocrisy" (which could more accurately be named human hypocrisy), it didn't prove your point nor ruffle my feathers. Ok, so, some Canadian's were war profiteers during Vietnam (you could argue that Canada as a whole certainly didn't profit from the Vietnam war), how does that in any way translate into profiting from all things American, especially relating to the drug war??? I would advise against thinking that Chomsky is the be it end all of questions and answers. 
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Comment #30 posted by VitaminT on July 24, 2002 at 11:18:21 PT
Heads up
Keith Stroup will be on Crossfire
debating Asa Hutchison on med mj between 7 and 8 PM ESTKevin Zeese will be on Wolf
Blitzer Reports between 5 and 6 (CNN I guess?)Not sure of the day yet
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Comment #29 posted by mikeyillnugs on July 24, 2002 at 10:58:57 PT:
i'm one of the adults for all out use of marijuana
if i really sat here and took my time to tell everybody my opions and beliefs, millions would agree with me and millions wouldn't agree with me, but anyways i'm not going to say any of my opions on why marijuana definatly should be legal because no one will probably even read this that could change anything about the laws of marijuana,i live in shirley,ma and i've been blazin for only 4 years but i know alot about the drug game, i know all the stories about pot being the gateway drug and all, but those are just choices u have to make as you grow older if you do the hard drugs or not, i am 20 years old and i have bi-polar, now i've read about bi-polar people having a harder time trying to stay off drugs do to the inbalance in their brain, but i think thats bogus that i had to stop seeing a certain psyciatrists just because i smoke pot daily, i thinks thats messed up, i mean i smoke on the streets, down town, right in front of a cop if i wanted too, but my point is even if you had to smoke only in the coffee shops that would cool, but no they don't want to do that, why, i don't know, lets just end it with this, alcohol is legal, u can buy it in a store for cheap, drink in a bar, of course people arn't going to be doing stupid things to get it cause its legal and cheap, for pot its like 350 an ounce of bomb shit, now thats expensive but if you stick with the ill nugs than you will be smoking less cause it's so good so it won't be as bad for your health but it will still be kinda badWell thanks for your time, if anyone was even ready this that takes part in the legilization of MARIJUANASincerely,
MIKE Maui Wowie Moore
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Comment #28 posted by E_Johnson on July 24, 2002 at 10:39:46 PT
Hold the phone -- LIKE the mobsters?
when-like the mobsters themselves-Joseph Kennedy made a fortune in the whisky businessSo he's not remembered as having been a mobster because -- let me guess -- he outsourced their armed thugs instead of hiring his own?
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Comment #27 posted by goneposthole on July 24, 2002 at 10:39:35 PT
Canada
Click on the first interview and read all the way through it. You will find the answer.
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Comment #26 posted by puff_tuff on July 24, 2002 at 10:31:42 PT
NO forfeiture laws in Canada?
Ya right, tell that to the hundreds or perhaps thousands of Canadians who have lost homes, cars, boats, planes and helicopters to the govt. under "proceeds of crime" laws.
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Comment #25 posted by VitaminT on July 24, 2002 at 10:29:07 PT
So if
Marijuana prohibition in Canada is found to be un-constitutional, is it true by extension that Canada's participation in the U.N. Single convention on drugs also unconstitutional?The roots of tiny plants cause mountains of stone to crumble.
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Comment #24 posted by E_Johnson on July 24, 2002 at 10:24:57 PT
I'm a whisky-lovin grrl
The elder Kennedy's mob connections reportedly began during the Prohibition era, when-like the mobsters themselves-Joseph Kennedy made a fortune in the whisky businessTo think, one used to have to sponsor organized crime to get a good shot of Laphroaighttp://www.islaywhiskysociety.com/laphroaig/THis stuff tastes like falling face down in a peat bog! Nothing better than the taste of old peat for stimulating the fiery Celtic blood.If you don't want to fall face down in the bog then Rosebank will have you falling face down in a bed of rose petals.http://www.blackadder.com/Single-Cask-Single-Malt-Whiskey/rosebank.htm#Rosebank%20DistilleryGee maybe some day...
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Comment #23 posted by FoM on July 24, 2002 at 10:24:56 PT
Barr on C-Span Now!
http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan_rm.asp
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Comment #22 posted by TroutMask on July 24, 2002 at 10:18:27 PT
No Sarcasm
That was 0% sarcasm, Industrial Strength.It is so obvious, but I hadn't thought of it before. If we didn't have Big Money buying politicians, marijuana may have been legal in the US long ago. Canada doesn't have nearly as much of a problem, hence much easier decrim.As for Canada embracing legalization, they may have no choice. Upcoming Supreme Court cases may make the issue moot. If marijuana prohibition is deemed unconstitutional, I really really really doubt Canadians are going to clamour for a change to their constitution to please the US. Either way, I'm still suprised at all the positive and so little negative decrim coverage in your press. Fortunately, the US media and people continue to snooze soundly as their neighbor considers such drastic measures...-TM
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Comment #21 posted by Ethan Russo MD on July 24, 2002 at 10:13:41 PT:
Joseph Kennedy and Prohibition
Here is one such reference:http://www.cosmos-club.org/journals/1996/goldfarb.htmlBTW, I am very proud to report that my grandfather, a very mild-mannered Macedonian Jewish immigrant, brewed beer in the basement in Brooklyn during prohibition. My cousin, Marc Jarmel, published a poem about it. 
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Comment #20 posted by Industrial Strength on July 24, 2002 at 10:10:24 PT
yep
Just a random observation?
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Comment #19 posted by E_Johnson on July 24, 2002 at 10:07:01 PT
Kennedeys and Canada and Prohibition
Didn't Joe Kennedy used to smuggle single malt through Canada?
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Comment #18 posted by Industrial Strength on July 24, 2002 at 10:05:45 PT
one source
104 articles, not one has "vietnam" in the heading. 
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Comment #17 posted by goneposthole on July 24, 2002 at 09:58:46 PT
shucks
type in 'Canada' in the search feature, and then read on. You'll find the answer.
http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/index.cfm
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Comment #16 posted by goneposthole on July 24, 2002 at 09:55:58 PT
Instant Karma
Sorry to ruffle your feathers, I.S.I have to tell it like it is; that's the way it goes moving west.The answer is in the following read, read on.
http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/index.cfm
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Comment #15 posted by Industrial Strength on July 24, 2002 at 09:50:11 PT
counting chickens
By the way, I hope that wasn't sarcasm, TM, because the lobbies here are minute compared to the ones corrupting America.Anyway, I'm not sure Canada will embrace "legalization" any time soon, I think that more and more blind eyes will be turned towards it. Most everyone knows that it shouldn't be illegal, that goes for the politico's and police as well. The best case scenario would be turning blind eyes towards coffee shops. I think that's the best we can hope for.
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Comment #14 posted by FoM on July 24, 2002 at 09:48:25 PT
Only Marijuana
Why don't they go after meth dealers and cocaine dealers homes? I only see them go after marijuana. Get rid of forfeiture laws and they would stop chasing people like they do. It's the money that gives them the drive. 
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Comment #13 posted by Industrial Strength on July 24, 2002 at 09:42:27 PT
it's disgusting
that you can lose your house because of growing a plant. Not here though.
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Comment #12 posted by TroutMask on July 24, 2002 at 09:41:08 PT
Canada
I'd also bet they don't have such giant alcohol, tobacco and pharmaceutical corporations lobbying to keep the dreaded marijuana illegal.I'd never thought of that: Without forfeiture and HUGE vested interests, there is little reason to continue marijuana prohibition in Canada besides the nanny state to the south. Oh, Canada will be such a sweet victory!-TM
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Comment #11 posted by FoM on July 24, 2002 at 09:36:05 PT
Industrial Strength
You don't have forfeiture laws? A person in our area just had to pay $100,000 to keep his home. He went to jail for 4 months too. It was because of a garden spotted by a helicopter.
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Comment #10 posted by Industrial Strength on July 24, 2002 at 09:31:01 PT
what?
How does Canada profit from the war on drugs other than not pissing off the states? We don't have asset forfiture laws here. How did Canada profit from the Vietnam war? No, we are not fence sitters. We are pandering to the anomaly beneath us. 
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Comment #9 posted by goneposthole on July 24, 2002 at 09:25:51 PT
Pollycanada
Canada profits from all things American, and especially the Viet Nam War.They're fat cats, too, lapping up a 55 gallon barrel of cream.When it comes to war, they're not fencesitters.
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Comment #8 posted by Industrial Strength on July 24, 2002 at 09:08:51 PT
fence sitting
If we totally jump off the fence, only God knows what shall happen.
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Comment #7 posted by E_Johnson on July 24, 2002 at 09:08:25 PT
Today is the Congressional press conference
Hmm I wonder what's going to happen.http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=5351
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Comment #6 posted by TroutMask on July 24, 2002 at 09:05:57 PT
Making good from evil
You know, this administration might end up being the greatest thing to have ever happened to drug law reform. Instead of saying little or nothing, they keep saying and doing really stupid evil stuff making prohibition look even worse. What's better is that they seem to keep trying harder with even worse results (for them).So Thanks, GW!-TM
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Comment #5 posted by FoM on July 24, 2002 at 09:00:32 PT
EJ Interesting article
Last night when I was looking for news for C News I read that article. I was hoping they mentioned the drug war so I could post it but they didn't but it was a very good article and definitely worth reading. Thanks!
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Comment #4 posted by E_Johnson on July 24, 2002 at 08:50:37 PT
I was so right about Ashcroft!
Hah Apparently Caesar does fear Cassius, and the people who pressured Caesar to appoint Cassius are having second thoughts because they are realizing that Cassius has more of a mind to replace Caesar than to mind him.http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/24/politics/24ASHC.htmlI'll bet this is what they are whispering in the halls at the White House:
CAESARLet me have men about me that are fat;
Sleek-headed men and such as sleep o' nights:
Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look;
He thinks too much: such men are dangerous.ANTONYFear him not, Caesar; he's not dangerous;
He is a noble Roman and well given.CAESARWould he were fatter! But I fear him not:
Yet if my name were liable to fear,
I do not know the man I should avoid
So soon as that spare Cassius. He reads much;
He is a great observer and he looks
Quite through the deeds of men: he loves no plays,
As thou dost, Antony; he hears no music;
Seldom he smiles, and smiles in such a sort
As if he mock'd himself and scorn'd his spirit
That could be moved to smile at any thing.
Such men as he be never at heart's ease
Whiles they behold a greater than themselves,
And therefore are they very dangerous.
I rather tell thee what is to be fear'd
Than what I fear; for always I am Caesar.
Come on my right hand, for this ear is deaf,
And tell me truly what thou think'st of him.And yes, come on his right hand because he sure can't hear anything out of the left!!!
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Comment #3 posted by VitaminT on July 24, 2002 at 08:28:19 PT
I've heard
that between the US and Canada, The US is by a wide margin a net exporter of the herb. Has anyone quantified this?
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Comment #2 posted by Dark Star on July 24, 2002 at 08:26:43 PT:
Sitting on the Fence
Please see my comment attached to the prior story.Although Canada seems to be fence-sitting, my suspicion is that truth and justice will nudge them over to the side of seeking their own path even in opposition to the proverbial 600 lb. gorilla on thier border. Many Americans will denounce any Amerikan attempt at retribution. We should all consider vacationing and investing in Canada if in a position to do so.
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Comment #1 posted by TroutMask on July 24, 2002 at 08:12:35 PT
Where is the negativity?
Has anyone seen an anti-decrim editorial from the Canadian press lately? I am overjoyed and more than a little surprised at the pro-decrim sentiments I've seen from the Canadian press recently. Surely, someone can point me towards an anti-decrim editorial in the Canadian press written in the last few weeks???Looks like our Canadian vacation next year will be better than even I expected!-TM
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