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Research With Pot Smokers Shows ... Uh, Oh Yeah
Posted by FoM on March 10, 2002 at 20:45:54 PT
By Bob Caudle 
Source: Morning News
According to a study in the March 6 issue of The Journal of the American Medical Association, longtime, heavy marijuana users may eventually see their memory and attention span go up in smoke. No doubt this is the same group of scientists who found that water, when administered in large quantities to laboratory rats, caused drowning. 
Most of us have suspected this memory-loss thing for quite a while, and can probably point to several examples we've seen wandering around Wal-Mart parking lots, trying to remember if they owned a car, and if so, where did they park it? In the study, which was reported by The Associated Press and Reuters, researchers led by Dr. Nadia Solowij of the University of New South Wales in Sydney, Australia, studied 102 pot-smoking Americans and 33 non-users. Marijuana users in the Australian study typically smoked every day, with longtime users doing so for an average of 24 years. Yes, we could safely classify 24 years as a "longtime user." Possibly even a human chimney. The amazing thing is that someone admitted to smoking dope for 24 years. Shorter-term users had smoked for about 10 years, on average. The vast majority said that they currently were not using other drugs, or did so only occasionally -- or didn't remember what the question was. In the study, investigators found that, among pot smokers seeking treatment for marijuana dependence, longtime users performed more poorly on tests of memory and concration ... concentent ... hard thinkin' than shorter-term users and non-users. The findings show that over time, marijuana smoking can cause intellectual impairments that "endure beyond the period of intoxication'' and worsen the longer a person uses the drug. But another researcher not involved in the study pointed to shortcomings in the work that he says make it tough to draw that conclusion. In an accompanying editorial, Dr. Harrison G. Pope Jr. notes that marijuana users who seek drug treatment do not necessarily reflect users in general, since these individuals may have other health issues such as anxiety or depression. A marijuana smoker, in the study, depressed for 24 years? That's pretty depressed there, Doc. Enough so, that Perry Mason would probably be able to prove that the 24-year marijuana smoker was, in fact, just a shiftless pothead. Results of the mental functioning tests -- taken after at least 12 hours of abstinence -- showed that longtime users performed less well than shorter-term users and non-users. Still, Solowij noted, the deficits could affect daily functioning -- hindering, for example, a person's ability to study or remember an item he or she just read. (This paragraph is close-captioned for those of you who might fall into one of the "user" categories and have trouble remembering an item you just read.) Still, Solowij noted, the deficits could affect daily functioning -- hindering, for example, a person's ability to study or remember an item he or she just read. Researchers said there are plausible biological reasons for why sustained marijuana use could affect things like memory. Solowij noted that the brain receptors the drug acts on exist in large numbers in regions involved in memory. Over the years, she said, marijuana exposure might change the way these receptors and other brain chemicals operate. Also unknown is whether any impairments are reversed after a person stops smoking pot, Solowij pointed out. According to Pope, it seems almost certain that marijuana produces short-lasting mental deficits, but whether they endure or worsen over time is still unclear. See. America isn't the only country that spends its tax dollars on stupid studies. Those Australian researchers could have saved thousands of dollars and working hours just by flying a couple of volunteers to Dickson Street in Fayetteville on any given Friday or Saturday night, picking out a likely suspect, asking for directions to the other side of the street, and timing the response.Complete Title: Research With Pot Smokers Shows ... Uh, Oh Yeah, Memory Loss Source: Morning News, The (AR)Author: Bob CaudlePublished: Sunday, March 10, 2002 Copyright: 2002 The Stephens Media GroupContact: news nwaonline.netWebsite: http://www.nwamorningnews.com/Related Articles & Web Site:Ethan Russo M.D. - Chronic Cannabis Usehttp://www.freedomtoexhale.com/ccu.pdfLong-Term Pot Use Takes Toll on Brain http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread12160.shtmlNerves Need Marijuana-Like Substance http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread9799.shtml
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Comment #22 posted by DdC on March 12, 2002 at 16:55:43 PT
Thanks el_toonces
Here's a Gallery Full. Though some might say you shouldn't encourage me. ¶8)
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Comment #21 posted by el_toonces on March 11, 2002 at 15:51:23 PT:
Thanks DdC for tbe cartoon....
the cartoon is one of those things that got me laughing real hard, Beavis & Butt-head style. Don't know why:)El
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Comment #20 posted by DdC on March 11, 2002 at 15:35:39 PT
Uh, Oh Yeah Snailmail? I remember now. ¶8)
Too Much Snow
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Comment #19 posted by DdC on March 11, 2002 at 15:14:05 PT:
Thanks Doc... Moi Harass the Establishment? ¶8)
Thanx someday I'll figure out the puter problem but I'll have to remove the files and clean the hardisc. I've been saying that for two years since the glitch and haven't been able to post as much as comes in yet, so the files just grow, I get by. I'll be happy to pass the info onto some of the locals, but I haven't really found too many resisting in Santa Cruz. Nuthin as happily frustrating as being girded for battle and have them surrender before the first spear is hurled. I think everybody wants it legal but the media fabricates these stupid polls and the wind up talking heads just repeat the "program" to the viewing audience. And the DC Lobbylackies in Congress and the Courthouse don't sass back. Subliminal retardation and administrated education depravation. It can't be from lack of data or info. Oh well... We always have the 100th monkey over riding the ruling class' media repression.
thanx again.
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DdCThe Hundredth Monkey
http://www.spiritual-endeavors.org/free/100monk-all.htmConant v. McCaffrey
http://www.soros.org/lindesmith/mmjsuit/arnold2.html
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Comment #18 posted by Sam Adams on March 11, 2002 at 14:54:01 PT
DDc......
Just go to http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/main.htmland you can get the Adobe Acrobat Reader for either PC or Mac, will open PDF files. Get up to speed there my friend - we can't win this war with bearskins & knives! (just kidding)
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Comment #17 posted by Ricardo on March 11, 2002 at 11:12:22 PT
hah, great article!
That was quite hilarieus... funny. Nice article 
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Comment #16 posted by Ethan Russo MD on March 11, 2002 at 10:34:36 PT:
DdC
Send me your snail-mail address, and we'll send you a copy of the article. There is one condition: you need to copy it and harass doctors and politicians with it.
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Comment #15 posted by FoM on March 11, 2002 at 10:20:33 PT
DdC
Hi DdC,Dr. Russo sent it to me and he only sent it in pdf format. Can't you get the reader with a Mac? Sorry I can't help you. It is like a book. Ethan Russo M.D. - Chronic Cannabis Use
http://www.freedomtoexhale.com/ccu.pdf
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Comment #14 posted by DdC on March 11, 2002 at 10:15:34 PT
Anyone have this formatted differently than pdf?
I've ben wanting to read this for some time now but my puter won't open or translate pdf formats. Is this listed at another website I can reach?
thanks
DdChttp://www.drugpolicy.org/library/pdf_files/Chronic_Cannabis.pdfHere's the dead monkey test and how Dan Quayle came to be VP
bush quayle lilly pharmaceutical sellout by Jack Herer 
http://pub3.ezboard.com/fendingcannabisprohibitionwhyitstimetolegalize.showMessa ge?topicID=23.topicThe Hype Brain Damage in Dead Monkeys(Rayguns suffocates Bonzo)  
http://pub3.ezboard.com/fendingcannabisprohibitionwhyitstimetolegalize.showMessa ge?topicID=50.topic
Alcohol causes dementia
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Comment #13 posted by Sam Adams on March 11, 2002 at 10:09:59 PT
Keeping Bigotry alive......
Good to see the Morning News representin' the Deep South - may they never run out of ignorant bigots! lolHey, look on the bright side....thanks to this guy, we all know where to hook up if we're ever in Fayetteville!
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Comment #12 posted by markjc on March 11, 2002 at 08:48:21 PT:
this guy is obviously an idiot
"The amazing thing is that someone admitted to smoking dope for 24 years."Why is that amazing?"The vast majority said that they currently were not using other drugs, or did so only occasionally -- or didn't remember what the question was." What a cornhole."America isn't the only country that spends its tax dollars on stupid studies."See. America isnt the only country that spends money on propaganda.This guy has a serious stick up his ass.
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Comment #11 posted by JR Bob Dobbs on March 11, 2002 at 06:13:33 PT
Even if
  Even if this were true and gospel - which is obviously quite debatable - does it justify throwing these memory-deficient people into cages? Taking their house, their children, their jobs? Killing them?  Any article on how "bad" marijuana is which doesn't mention jail is obviously full of it.
http://www.toddmccormick.org/
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Comment #10 posted by goneposthole on March 11, 2002 at 06:07:37 PT
Again, studying the wrong substance
How many people have a few drinks and then completely forget where they are?Or forgot what they said 10 seconds ago?Or forgot the name of the person just introduced to them?Or the billboard on the highway warning them not to drink and drive?Pot has nothing to do with short term memory loss.It is just a plain old natural phenomena of the mind.Alcohol's effects on one's memory is too well known.I have 'smoked dope' for thirty-two years; I am required and quite able to remember plenty of information. No one can possibly know and remember everything, thank God.Surely they jest.
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Comment #9 posted by Ethan Russo MD on March 11, 2002 at 06:02:06 PT:
Jose
You just thought you were Inspector Clousea of Pink Panther fame there for a minute! He spoke of "Minkeys."
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Comment #8 posted by Jose Melendez on March 11, 2002 at 05:25:22 PT:
It's the hypocrisy , stupid.
minkeys? (grin) I better go roll one...
Arrest Prohibition
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Comment #7 posted by Jose Melendez on March 11, 2002 at 05:23:15 PT:
It's the hypocrisy , stupid.
A marijuana smoker, in the study, depressed for 24 years? That's pretty depressed there, Doc. Enough so, that Perry Mason would probably be able to prove that the 24-year marijuana smoker was, in fact, just a shiftless pothead. 
Two questions: How long do people self medicate on alcohol? Do people eventually give up valiums because they are no longer depressed, or because TV sold them Prozac, Zoloft and Paxil?
At least this article points out the JAMA published a refutation, and that line about doctors proving that water causes drowning reminds me that the "dead brain cells" experiment was accomplished by forcing marijuana smoke into minkeys without allowing air until the carbon monoxide caused brain damage or death. Cannabis prohibition is founded and maintained on lies.
Arrest Prohibition
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Comment #6 posted by el_toonces on March 11, 2002 at 05:02:11 PT:
Sorry for repititious link...
...as FoM has already linked to Dr. Russo's study on her Freedom to Exhale page in the notes after this "poorly done" (I'm trying to stay urbane this morning) piece.Be well all, esp. you dddd.El
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Comment #5 posted by el_toonces on March 11, 2002 at 04:59:48 PT:
And NOW WE also in direct refutation....
now we have this -- http://www.drugpolicy.org/library/pdf_files/Chronic_Cannabis.pdf -- from Ethan and pals. And the real science gets, like, zero major media attention and no mention at all of JAMA's "cautionary" prefaratory editorial?Be well all.El
No cognitive deficits from chronic use: a study by real reseachers
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Comment #4 posted by DdC on March 11, 2002 at 00:02:37 PT
Racism has simply manifested in less blatant forms
"We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark. -The real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light"-PlatoPrenatal Marijuana Exposure and Neonatal Outcomes in Jamaica: An Ethnographic Study (excerpted)
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/medical/can-babies.htmAt 1 month, however, comparisons between exposed and nonexposed neonates revealed that the neonates of using mothers had significantly higher scores on the Autonomic and Reflex clusters of the NBAS (see Table 3). On the supplementary items, these neonates scored higher (were less irritable) on the General Irritability item. Comparing the heavily exposed and the nonexposed infants, the Brazelton clusters on day 30, showed that the offspring of heavy-marijuana using mothers had significantly higher scores on the Orientation cluster, on the Autonomic Stability cluster, and on Reflexes (see Table 4). Due to the intercorrelation among the variables comprising each cluster, no t scores or P values are reported for individual items. Nevertheless, a comparison of individual item scores showed that neonates of heavy users had higher scores on habituation to auditory and tactile stimuli, and to animate auditory stimuli, the degree of alertness, capacity for consolability, irritability (ie, less irritable), and had fewer startles and tremors. The comparisons on the supplementary items revealed significant differences on all seven variables, with the neonates of mothers who were heavy-marijuana users performing more optimally on these items. Long-Term Pot-Use Study: No Ill Health Effects
http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread10533.shtml
In the first study of its kind, four recipients of federally provided medical marijuana were examined for the health effects of their long-term cannabis use-and none showed any serious adverse effects."One of marijuana's greatest advantages as a medicine is its remarkable safety"  
"Marijuana is one of the least toxic substances in the whole pharmacopoeia"   
Dr. Grinspoon: To Smoke Or Not To Smoke
http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread9431.shtmCannabis Blocks Irreversible Brain Damage    
http://pub3.ezboard.com/fendingcannabisprohibitionffffhyperlinked.showMessage?topicID=3.topicSchaeffer: A Neuropsychological Evaluation; A Case History 
"...I.Q.'s of Zion Coptics increased after they began to use ganga" Cannabis in Costa Rica: A Study of Chronic Marijuana Use; Institute of Human Issues. 
"No significant health consequences to chronic cannabis smokers" Cannabis prevents brain damage   
http://pub3.ezboard.com/fendingcannabisprohibitionwhyitstimetolegalize.showMessage?topicID=24.topicUS Jamaican Study 1974 
"... as a multipurpose plant, ganga is used medicinally, even by non-smokers. ....There were no indications of organic brain damage or chromosome damage among smokers and no significant clinical psychiatric, psychological or medical) differences between smokers and controls." "No impairment of physiological, sensory and perceptual performance, tests of concept formation, abstracting ability, and cognitive style, and tests of memory" "[Cannabis smoking] does not lead directly to mental or physical deterioration... Those who have consumed marijuana for a period of years showed no mental or physical deterioration which may be attributed to the drug." Dr. Andrew Weil (Rubin & Comitas Ganja in Jamaica, 1975) 
"a-motivation [is] a cause of heavy marijuana smoking rather than the reverse" Today's Marijuana Naysayers May Be Blowing Smoke
http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread9245.shtmlAlcohol Dementia 
Excessive drinking over a period of years may lead to problems which affect memory, learning and other functions. When patients are having cognitive difficulties, such as impaired memory or reasoning ability, alcohol use may be the cause. At least four distinct cerebral diseases ˆ Wernicke-Korsakoff, Marchiafava-Bignami, pellagrous encephalopathy, and acquired hepatocerebral degeneration ˆ have a close association with chronic alcoholism. 
http://www.canjneurolsci.org/21maytoc/alcoholi.htmPREJUDICE: MARIJUANA AND THE JIM CROW LAWS
http://www.electricemperor.com/eecdrom/HTML/EMP/13/ECH13_00.HTM
Since the abolition of slavery, racism, and bigotry have generally had to manifest themselves in less blatant forms in America. The cannabis prohibition laws illustrate again this institutional intolerance of racial minorities and show how prejudice is concealed behind rhetoric and laws which seem to have an entirely different purpose.
A Roundup of Hearst’s Hysterical Headlines
http://www.electricemperor.com/eecdrom/HTML/EMP/04/ECH04_17.HTM#headlines
Hearst/Walters Address to Congress...
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Comment #3 posted by firedog on March 10, 2002 at 22:53:00 PT
More details please...
I get high about once or twice a week. I've been doing this for about ten years on and off. I consider marijuana to be a personal sacrament. It clears my perspectives on things, keeps me from getting too sucked into the endless routines and details of everyday life, and stimulates my creativity. It helps me to connect to my spiritual side and the spiritual side of nature. It's an extremely valuable part of my life.But there's a big difference between my usage pattern and that of someone who has spent the past ten years high continuously. I know a number of people who fall into that category, and the stereotypes we all know hold true. There is such a thing as abuse of marijuana, just like any other addictive substance (alcohol, food, TV, internet use, etc.)And someone who uses marijuana for medical reasons is bound to have entirely different reasons for doing so and any negative effects are probably outweighed by the positives. If you're alive and happy that surely beats being anything else.So, these people who have been "using for 24 years" -- what category do they fall in? Are they perpetually stoned, do they get high once a weekend or so, or do they have medical conditions for which there is no other relief?The article doesn't say anything about that, so any conclusions this study may draw about the general population are bound to be incorrect. Any article worth its salt would describe different usage patterns. It would at least separate marijuana users into the three categories I've described, at least. There may well be more categories than that, even.But to lump every 24-year user into the same group? That's rather like saying that all 24-year-old people are the same...
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Comment #2 posted by SoberStoner on March 10, 2002 at 21:59:03 PT:
One more thing
According to Pope, it seems almost certain that marijuana produces short-lasting mental deficits, but whether they endure or worsen over time is still unclear.Because noone ever studies whether there are beneficial effects to cannabis, it's never, "Is this substance good for people?" Its always "How bad is this for people?" Until they stop asking questions that are already biased to show negative effects, we'll be hard pressed to find positive effects in 'studies' like the pile of steaming intellectual fecal matter that this thing (i refuse to call it an article) is based on.Amazingly enough, even some studies that are determine to show negative effects end up showing there are positive effects. Imagine what they would find if they tried as hard to find good stuff as much as they do bad stuff. We may have the cure or at least a substance that gives relief for some of the most horrible afflictions known to man, but it's a plant, and it's evil, so we have to keep people from using it...fear the evil plant..OOoOOOooOoo..it's scary..and it's evil..bad bad plant..One nation under god, unless it's a god that created evil plants, then we'll just find a new god..like the blood money that flows through the halls of our government...how many people died all over the world today because the U$A decided that the silly little commandment that says "Thou shalt not kill" doesnt apply to them? Judgement day is coming, and it wont be pretty.SS
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Comment #1 posted by SoberStoner on March 10, 2002 at 21:46:04 PT:
More prejudiced crap
The study takes 24 years of use and gives people 17 hours to not smoke to show there are effects of long term smoking? Why didnt they follow up with 7 day, 14 day, or 30 days repeats of the process? This info is worthless. I think anyone will agree that after 24 years, it takes a LOT longer than 17 hours for your system to regulate itself again. I got an idea, lets tke people who smoke tobacco everyday for 20 years and make them quit for 24 hours and see what their lung capacity is..bah...Also, just gotta love all the derogatory statements. What next, calling blacks lazy welfare ridden basketball junkies? Or jewish people money hungry people with big noses? Why is it people can be blatantly prejudiced toward people that enjoy cannabis and noone says ANYTHING? If any of the above comments were made about any other minority or social group, a firestorm would surround that person and they most likely would never write another article again.This anti propoganda crap is getting more and more desperate. They see the writing on the wall and they thing by adding more spray paint they can stop the cracks..maybe one day soon we'll get lucky and a big chunk of that wall will fall on this racist pig.SS
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