cannabisnews.com: DEA Seize Files on Medical Marijuana Patients DEA Seize Files on Medical Marijuana Patients Posted by FoM on October 03, 2001 at 07:31:29 PT By Gregory Crofton Source: Tahoe Daily Tribune The Drug Enforcement Administration agents on Friday seized files that contain legal and medical records of more than 5,000 medicinal marijuana patients in El Dorado County. An estimated 500 to 800 of those files contain information on South Shore residents. Agents raided the home and office of Dr. Mollie Fry, a physician, and her husband, Dale Schafer, a lawyer who earlier had announced he will run for El Dorado County district attorney. Fry and Schafer run the California Medical Research Center in Cool, Calif., a clinic specializing in medicinal marijuana. The files will remain sealed, as required by the search warrant, at least until a federal court hearing in Sacramento on Thursday. J. David Nick, a San Francisco attorney hired by CMRC, called the seizure improper. "In any law book you look up to answer this problem it's going to say it's illegal in the margins," said Nick, who specializes in cases related to medical marijuana. "These type of records are confidential in the eyes of the law. It falls under attorney-client privilege. It's a huge invasion of personal privacy that chills one to the bone." DEA spokesman Richard Meyer said the search warrant for the records was signed by a federal magistrate, but he would not discuss what narcotics agents were looking for. "Our investigation is continuing, and therefore we cannot talk about it," he said. Fry is a breast cancer survivor who is a medical marijuana patient. Cancer has recently reappeared in her blood, said Jaimie Daniel, an employee of CMRC. In Friday's raid, the federal government confiscated 32 marijuana plants Fry kept for personal use. Details could not be confirmed on Thursday's court hearing, which was not listed on the Web site calendar for the U.S. District Court in Sacramento. A spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney's office there, which handles federal prosecutions in this area, said she had no information on the case. Nick still doesn't know why the DEA was issued a search warrant. "It's typical for them to keep an application for a search warrant secret for a period of time," he said, "but it's very unusual for a warrant to command that any documents seized remain sealed." Dale Gieringer, director of California's National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, said its too early to say that Bush's new DEA team or state law enforcement are cracking down on the medicinal use of marijuana. "I know there's been surveillance at cannabis clubs for a while," he said. "It's premature to say whether it's part of a larger campaign, I don't know yet. It is the first time the DEA has tried to close a medical cannabis center, whatever that means, and go after a doctor. Everybody is waiting with baited breath to see if they close the clubs. That's the $64 question." Source: Tahoe Daily Tribune (CA)Author: Gregory CroftonPublished: Wednesday, October 3, 2001Copyright: 2001 Tahoe-Carson Area Newspapers Contact: tribune tahoe.com Website: http://www.tahoe.com/tribune/ Related Links:CaliforniaNORMLhttp://www.canorml.org/Medical Marijuana Information Linkshttp://freedomtoexhale.com/medical.htmCannabisNews Medical Marijuana Archiveshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/list/medical.shtml Home Comment Email Register Recent Comments Help Comment #32 posted by lookinside on October 04, 2001 at 04:48:24 PT: dddd, et. al. don't be surprised at the average politician's lack of education...these are mostly not the best and brightest...they are the figureheads of organizations...they very rarely directly communicate with their constituencies...aids take care of that...parroting the "party line"...avoiding any real dialogue that would put them in a controversial light...don't expect much...they aren't capable of much...the DEA is a criminal organization flourishing under a heavy handed, unelected, special interested, unamerican(by my standards) regime..it makes me sick.. [ Post Comment ] Comment #31 posted by dddd on October 03, 2001 at 22:48:15 PT Right On ekim ...Although I am curious,and intrigued that you are apparently chatting with senators,I respect your anonymity,,,,,and I'm not very suprized by their supposed lack of knowledge concerning these things.dddd [ Post Comment ] Comment #30 posted by ekim on October 03, 2001 at 21:28:01 PT: Keep going they can't handle the ------Truth i was talking to one of our Senators tonight and he says he never knew that a Ex. CIA dir. James Woolsey is calling on the Congress to allow farmers to grow Hemp for fuel. He says that he never knew that Gov. Ryan of Ill. vetoed three hemp bills sent to him in the last Year-. He said he was not aware that hemp could be used as paper. Here in Kalamazoo we have lost 5 papermills in the last year. So he says to me you want to make it legal ---I said no just regulate it like beer. He said no I said you are making a moral judgement about me, and that we should only do that if someone was hurting another. He was flabbergasted. Its not what goes in ---its what comes out that defiles a man. [ Post Comment ] Comment #29 posted by dddd on October 03, 2001 at 20:18:14 PT Not much left to say after all the outstanding.. ..comments...........I must agree,that it will now be party time for the DEA.They will continue to make the most of the diversion that the war on terror has provided,to get away with all they can......after all,with everything else that's going on,events such as this are made to appear trivial,,,,just look at how rare the coverage there was of this was....and the lack of coverage is not only because of bigger stories drowning it out,it is also,in my view,,mainly due to the increased federal dominance,and censorship of the media....... .. ....Like I've said before,,,to me,,,the control of the media is the most significant element of all.If the government has sufficient control of the news,then they have control of the country.They can drown out the voices of dissent,,they can black out news coverage of certain items......They can,,basically control the sheeples minds,and opinions,,in a most devious and cultlike manner....Control of the media is the MOST dangerous threat to our country,,,and it's from within!...It's not some terrorist threat from foreign countries,it's from a network of corporate government terrorists,that are shamelessly waving the flag,in a sickening,and false patriotic frenzy,deceiving the American people with a national info-mercial,that is required viewing for the unaware bleating masses.....The people who comment here are a refreshing slice of true Americans!....Keep on keepin' on....dddd [ Post Comment ] Comment #28 posted by lookinside on October 03, 2001 at 18:36:43 PT: FoM.. way to go...you know how i feel about "random" drug testing...i think the tester should be required to taste the sample to check for diabetes... [ Post Comment ] Comment #27 posted by FoM on October 03, 2001 at 18:24:02 PT My 2 cents To me the government and it's financial ways are like a big pyramid scheme. Some people will prosper but most people will not. There I go again simplifying everything.PS: lookinside, We are eating at home and not buying anything that isn't necessary since the 11th. Of course the truck needs a major overhaul right now and it will get done after my husbands does a random drug test on friday. Yuk, life is annoying sometimes. [ Post Comment ] Comment #26 posted by lookinside on October 03, 2001 at 18:06:40 PT: civil disobedience... the title says it all...before 9/11 i posted concerning reducing our consumption of goods...i meant it and still mean it...do not encourage an economy based on consumption of goods that enrich the powerful few...barter where you can...avoid fast food...cook those burgers at home...they'll taste better and be cheaper than micky d's...buy used cars...avoid excess taxes where you can...think about that, at length...buy nothing that requires an extended payment plan...almost anything can be purchased used from a private party...i love flea markets and yard sales...i buy fresh fruit from local stands in the summer...i buy my beef from a rancher and have the meat cut locally...i study the federal tax schedules all year long and (carefully) take every last deduction i can...i pay off my credit cards every month no matter how much it hurts...i NEVER donate to police benevolent funds...we get those calls regularly...i give to those organizations that work toward restoration of the constitution and the legalization of cannabis...i write that off...i save all receipts...in no way do i support our economy...it is supporting a criminal regime in washington...we must live, so consumption of electricity, etc. is a given...i pay my water bill...the soviet union collapsed because it couldn't compete any longer...there was no incentive to strive...the russians were never a free people...their mindset was always just to survive...a black market has always been a large part of their economy...we are a different breed...we expect more from our government...our ancestors came here fleeing oppression..(i recognize that african americans and native americans take a different view, and understand why)..upward mobilty is our birthright...it is there if we want it...but we are no longer free...the new laws restrict us...they make it tougher to improve ourselves...(i'm referring to the student loan restrictions regarding past drug convictions)we need to voice our opinions...we need to write our elected(?) representatives concerning ANYTHING that involves diminishing our constitutional rights....we need to make a show of numbers when the federal government prosecutes a medical marijuana patient...we, as a group are fearful...many of us have been arrested for drug offenses, which, under the constitution ARE NOT CRIMES!!! what would happen if 2000 pro MMJ folks showed up to witness each court appearance of an MMJ user...pack the courtroom, the halls the ground floor...non violent and leave the baggie at home...just show up and witness the travesties of justice first hand...and talk about it afterwards...i'm dreaming...we'll stay home and wring our hands and post on cannabisnews.com about the terrible things happening at the federal courthouse...and leaving the good ol' U.S. of A. will be a bit more attractive...mark my words: when it finally becomes IMPERATIVE to leave, the borders will be closed............... [ Post Comment ] Comment #25 posted by bruce42 on October 03, 2001 at 16:58:50 PT To clear up any terminology... From Dictionary.com:"Found 2 entries for totalitarianism.to·tal·i·tar·i·an (t-tl-târ-n) adj. Of, relating to, being, or imposing a form of government in which the political authority exercises absolute and centralized control over all aspects of life, the individual is subordinated to the state, and opposing political and cultural expression is suppressed: “A totalitarian regime crushes all autonomous institutions in its drive to seize the human soul” (Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.).n. A practitioner or supporter of such a government. [total + (author)itarian.] to·tali·tari·an·ism n.Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.totalitarianism n 1: a form of government in which the ruler is an absolute dictator (not restricted by a constitution or laws or opposition etc.) [syn: dictatorship, absolutism, authoritarianism, Caesarism, despotism, monocracy, one-man rule, shogunate, Stalinism, tyranny]2: the principle of complete and unrestricted power in government [syn: absolutism, totalism]Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University"Another good term. Entry from Dictioanry.com again:"Found 3 entries for oligarchy.ol·i·gar·chy (l-gärk, l-) n. pl. ol·i·gar·chies Government by a few, especially by a small faction of persons or families.Those making up such a government.A state governed by a few persons.oli·garchic or oli·garchi·cal adj.Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.oligarchy \Ol"i*gar"chy\, n.; pl. Oligarchies. [Gr. ?; ? few,little + ? to rule, govern: cf.F. oligarchie.]A form of government in which the supreme power is placed in the hands of a few persons; also, those who form the ruling few.All oligarchies, wherein a few men domineer, do what they list. --Burton.Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.oligarchy n : a political system governed by a few peopleSource: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University"Another thing to consider is the media advantages that a modern grass roots movement has- we've got cable access, the Internet, and radio. We can't be too hasty to say have no voice and no power. Yes, our voice is limited, yes we have minimal power (politically), BUT we still ahve the ability to reach thousands of people.Off topic - Does anyone here know the durability of hemp pants compared to cotton denim? I need some jeans suitable for gardening and other outdoor work and I wear out cotton jeans in very short order. I need stronger pants, dammit! [ Post Comment ] Comment #24 posted by FoM on October 03, 2001 at 16:34:39 PT Important E-Mail from The Kubbys Michele Kubby Withdraws From Lt Governor's Race Wednesday, October 3, 2001 Says She Will Provide Humanitarian Aid For American Victims Of Terrorism VANCOUVER -- Libertarian candidate for Lt. Governor, Michele Kubby announced today that she is withdrawing from the upcoming election to provide humanitarian aid to American victims of terrorism. Mrs. Kubby's earlier announcement that she would seek the office of California Lt. Governor was widely reported in the media, including the New York Times Forum, Yahoo News and Northern California television stations. However, the candidate announced today that recent events have forced her to withdraw, in order to provide urgently needed assistance to Americans who are the victims of terrorism. "While the world's attention has been focused on the tragic events of 9/11, a new wave of state-sponsored terrorism against medical marijuana patients has gone on largely unreported by the media. People are arriving here in Canada everyday, having fled the U.S. in terror, often with little more than just their toothbrush. It's a terrible situation which requires immediate attention," said Mrs. Kubby. "The recent raid on Dr. Mollie Fry, and the seizing of her patient records, is one of several recent assaults on patients and on our Constitution by the newly-organized Federal Medical Marijuana Task Force. Apparently, passing laws, and even winning jury trials means nothing to the law infringement officers from the DEA, in their blind pursuit of a failed policy," charged Mrs. Kubby. The one-time Libertarian candidate hopeful also expressed her concern that all means for non-violent change have been blocked in the political process. "It is hard for me to believe that elections are free or democratic anymore, when judges decide who becomes president, and no one can run as a candidate, even a write-in candidate, unless they meet the unconstitutional regulations of the government," she lamented. Mrs. Kubby, who is currently residing in British Columbia on business, says she has canceled her plans to return to the U.S. until "the rule of law and respect for the Constitution have been restored." Mrs. Kubby currently provides news commentary for Pot TV. --http://www.pot-tv.net -- serves as a Director on the Board of the Sunshine Compassion Club, and is involved in projects to aid American medical marijuana refugees. Drug Policy Links [ Post Comment ] Comment #23 posted by mayan on October 03, 2001 at 16:13:55 PT Be Very Careful I believe this is just the beginning of their newly rejuvenated war on drugs. We all knew that this administration had something up it's sleeve & this could be it. They have had time enough to plan this assault & now that everyone is distracted by the war on terrorism they could unleash it. Be very careful everyone - we all need to stay out of jail so we can counter the misinformation we will be bombarded with. God be with all of you! [ Post Comment ] Comment #22 posted by Lehder on October 03, 2001 at 15:44:50 PT 'totalitarianism' imo is the right word. It describes the government's control of TV and personal behavior perfectly, as I have calmly said. We have, as you say, been working hand to hand, spreading the word of truth; all the while, government has TV, reaching and influencing a hundred million people every ten minutes, making statements that it knows to be false and presenting them in a manner designed to appeal to emotion. It uses illegal and immoral force against those who will not conform to the lie. That is totalitarianism. Hannah Arendt tells how totalitarian movements develop and how they end. They have guns, money, power, TV, propaganda and millions of ignorant adherents with an economic interest in continuing the war. We have few, most of us cowering and hiding, no money, no power, no TV and only the truth. Who will prevail? I am not advocating violence - I oppose it. But I have read of how totalitarian movements develop, triumph and are finally defeated. They end in disaster for their members, the opposition and the bystanders.I agree that we must continue protesting at a grass roots level to diminish the numbers who are susceptible to DEA propaganda. But nothing ended in 1956 - I think that was the year that the USSR invaded Hungary. In 67 it was Czechozlovakia. The brutal gulags continued for years, destroying and killing many millions. Totalitarianism in the USSR ended with political and economic collapse, and the country remains impoverished and chaotic today, ruled by mafias.I'm not looking to fight with you, I'm only disagreeing, and I wish I could find reason for a better outlook. But I think the fate of the Soviet Union is grim enough, and consistent with what I see in our own future. It's not a counterexample that is going to cheer me. [ Post Comment ] Comment #21 posted by E_Johnson on October 03, 2001 at 14:51:23 PT Oppression can be undone from hand to hand There's just no legal or sensible way of defying government thugs who have no compunction over using any tactics no matter how dirty or brutal and then maintaining news blackouts on them, all the while showing us a big TV commercial for the government day in and day out day after day. No, I think the totalitarian movement must be defeated from without and that it must, as it inevitably will, anger more people in other countries much more than it has before they begin seriously fighting us.It's not really totalitarianism, and using that word I think gets things a little too pumped up. To calm down I always like to remember the good old Soviet Union. (My political fantasy right now is to have tea with Condie Rice and dish Communists...)I remember when Anna Akhmatova was talking about the year 1956, the year I was born, when the Soviet Communists said "OOPS we accidentally imprisoned for years in frozen labor camps millions of our own citizens and even many perfectly loyal Communist Party members for essentially no good reason at all...."and floods of starving, parasite-infested, impoverished, arthritic and angry labor camp inmates began arriving in the cities with documents proving they had been "rehabilitated" from enemies of the state back into a sound basis for the growth of World Communism (TM).Akhmatova said, "The half of Russia that was imprisoned came home to meet the half of Russia that had imprisoned them".All oppression, including and especially political oppression, is delivered from hand to hand, from individual to individual. We the people oppress we the people. Even in the Soviet Union -- with their top-down government -- it took the complicity of millions to imprison and murder millions.How do we cope here?We have to undo the lies that have been done about us by reaching out into our own communities and showing ourselves to be well-intentioned good Americans who support the basic belief systems under which this country was founded.We have to keep working at the "grass roots" level so to speak to establish bonds of trust with others so that the DEA cannot find so many people willing to accept their message of fear and suspicion.We have to confront the DEA as Americans who have sworn in our own way to protect and defend the sacred system of values and government that have made us NOT the Soviet Union. [ Post Comment ] Comment #20 posted by Lehder on October 03, 2001 at 14:29:49 PT doom & gloom "How do we stop this ball from rolling away? "Perhaps we should give this question some thought! Show me an example of a powerful totalitarian movement that was halted. I wrote a number of comments on totalitarian movements about a year ago after reading Hanna Arendt's book Origins of Totalitarianism. Arendt's writings are what I have used to understand the drug war and why it cannot be stopped. I urge people to read her. But she offered me nothing hopeful.Clearly, many people in offices in the DEA and other government agencies certainly must know that marijuana is not only harmless but beneficial to many people. That's the truth of it and it's no secret. Yet they continue to make blatantly untruthful TV messages - just a couple weeks ago I saw one where a celebrity, unknown to me, explained how mj is a gateway drug and worse. I can only regard the government's attitude as I would a mugger's: "I'm gonna take your money or your life." It does no good to tell this slob that his actions are wrong - he know's that. It doesn't bother the government at all that maybe tens of millions of people know better. It continues with its propaganda and persecutions and it knows that its blackouts on news don't fool everyone but they fool enough. I would like to find a counterexample - how a totalitarian movement was stopped internally by the people of the country hosting it. Until then, I have to think that our totalitarian movement will end as the Nazi's did - when it is defeated by force from without. Perhaps economic force will be enough - show me an example - but I doubt it. The u.s. is now making its drug policiy its foreign policy in a big way, equating drug use to terrorism and using drugs as a phony rationale for invading various countries and murdering many many people. I welcome this development because it will turn many countries against us that would not defy us over our domestic drug policies alone. I've said before: It took all of Europe and America to defeat the Nazis and it will take all the Americas and Europe together to end the U.S. drug war.I remember some fifteen or so years ago when the re-criminalizing ballot issue was being campaigned in Alaska. High Times carried a couple of articles that told how federal agents were ripping down placards that supported the legal status of mj, and how they beat up mj supporters on the sidewalks there. We've seen more recently how the feds treat legal users of medical marijuana just as viciously. It will be interesting to observe too the developments in Michigan as the PRA gains momntum.There's just no legal or sensible way of defying government thugs who have no compunction over using any tactics no matter how dirty or brutal and then maintaining news blackouts on them, all the while showing us a big TV commercial for the government day in and day out day after day. No, I think the totalitarian movement must be defeated from without and that it must, as it inevitably will, anger more people in other countries much more than it has before they begin seriously fighting us. I hope someone can tell me where i'm wrong, and how eveything's gonna be much better than I imagine. [ Post Comment ] Comment #19 posted by i420 on October 03, 2001 at 13:55:59 PT .... Until people start rioting and just throwing down nothing will change our government does not give a rats ass about anything but money. The only thing they react to is violence look at amerika's history and you will see this is so. [ Post Comment ] Comment #18 posted by FoM on October 03, 2001 at 13:40:50 PT Lehder I am sort of fatalistic I think. The ball is rolling and people like Ashcroft want to keep it going until we don't have any rights left. Maybe he thinks the people will fall in place and be whatever they want us to be but that's far from true. I believe many people will die before this is over. The highjacked plane that just happened is now on the ground in India. How do we stop this ball from rolling away? I really want it to stop. I sometimes feel like saying, stop the world I want to get off. [ Post Comment ] Comment #17 posted by Lehder on October 03, 2001 at 13:29:17 PT p.s. "Genocyde" is a name that I propose for a new biotech company on the NASDAQ. Would not be surprised to see shares offered soon. If they are offered, buy them. [ Post Comment ] Comment #16 posted by Lehder on October 03, 2001 at 13:25:05 PT genocyde The government medical terror policies will prevent many people who use or have ever used "drugs" or marijuana from seeking medical help for any ailement. It's a back door policy of genocide, a bit slower in acting than a gas chamber, but genocide nonetheless. Genocide with plausible deniability. Except for a bit more sophistication, which is not saying much at all, there's no difference here from Hitler's policy on Jews. It's easy to think of several other examples of how government's "drug war" now more than disenfranchises and marginalizes but actually kills. I believe the effects of these policies are understood by those who form them and that they are consciously calculated to kill. The DEA is guilty of genocide.It will not stop. Votes, protest, publishing the truth - nothing can stop it. That's the nature of a totalitarian movement once it gains momentum beyond the point of no return. The government will pursue its policies with ever greater zeal until the United States is one giant concentration camp. I expect that something on the order of 20-50% of the U.S. will be killed before it is over. That's the way it is, for us and for a big part of the world that we're taking with us. Too bad that the most hateful and stupidest people are in control. I blame it on control of TV.I may change my mind. I may decide, as conditions deteriorate, that 100% of the world population will die as a result of climactic or other changes that will kill many species. People will be extinct. It's too bad. People have created many beautiful things; unfortunately, too many of them prefer hatred and drug wars to love and beauty. Unlike the SETI people, I think that there are no other life forms of intelligence in our galaxy. All the good and beautiful things we have created are for naught. [ Post Comment ] Comment #15 posted by FoM on October 03, 2001 at 13:19:43 PT Need to say something This is good news. I think it's ok to say this. I was contacted by NORML and they are wondering if I would be interested in being on a panel at next springs NORML convention. Even if it doesn't come to be I am honored. Thought you might like to hear some good news. [ Post Comment ] Comment #14 posted by leefmyner on October 03, 2001 at 12:44:18 PT: A Matter of Time The DEA is looking for information they can use to discredit the clubs, so that when they do raid them, the narcs won't look like the heartless government pawns they really are. It's only a matter of time before they are shut down. ...and about the Harrison Act, the AMA did testify to congress AGAINST the Harrison Act. In addition, the Harrison Act was never intended to have as broad an interpretation as it does today. The promoters of the Act used lies and deception in order to get congress to approve it, a tactic that has persisted to this day in the politicians' fight to win public approval, with the War On Drugs being one of their greatest manipulative tools. [ Post Comment ] Comment #13 posted by bruce42 on October 03, 2001 at 12:28:14 PT I'm dreaming right? Please someone tell me this is just a bad nightmare. Where the hell has this surge in confidence against risk of lawsuit stemmed?! First they propose banning food and beauty products, and now they feel free ro run around and steal confidential files! This REALLY worries me. A lot. Typically fear of public outrage and large lawsuits keep assholes like this in check. Something is not right here. People have been wondering when they'd declare martial law. I think they just have. They even allude to it with this:"DEA spokesman Richard Meyer said the search warrant for the records was signed by a federal magistrate, but he would not discuss what narcotics agents were looking for."I'm sorry, but when the courts think it's sunshine and lollipops to go around stealing stuff, I really have to wonder about the status of our oligarchy. From this point forward I refuse to consider our government a democracy. Until someone can prove to me contrary-wise, I consider this a country controlled and governed by a select, relative few which were not elected by any legal democratic process. [ Post Comment ] Comment #12 posted by schmeff on October 03, 2001 at 11:22:30 PT 1937? AMA has done little to commend since 1937.Does this refer to the feeble protestations against passage of the Harrison Act? [ Post Comment ] Comment #11 posted by FoM on October 03, 2001 at 11:04:39 PT Just a Note Hi Dr. Russo and Everyone, I can't find any news but I'll keep looking. Use the comment sections to keep talking if you want too. [ Post Comment ] Comment #10 posted by Patrick on October 03, 2001 at 10:56:23 PT Ethan I am unable to cough up the author or source of that article I posted piecemail here the other day. Sorry :( [ Post Comment ] Comment #9 posted by Ethan Russo MD on October 03, 2001 at 10:50:59 PT: Laying Low However, I cannot resist the temptation to comment on the AMA. Since they have done little to commend since 1937, I am proud to say that I am not now, nor have I ever volutarily been a member. [ Post Comment ] Comment #8 posted by schmeff on October 03, 2001 at 10:35:02 PT The DEA reign of terror begins Imagine what happens to the practice of medicine in this country when patients become educated to the fact that the information they provide to their doctor is but a knock-on-the-door away from ending up in a federal dossier.I am wondering if you are lurking, Dr. Russo. Are you a member of the AMA? Schmeff is thinking that it's pretty much "put up or shut up" for that cozy little group. [ Post Comment ] Comment #7 posted by Silent_Observer on October 03, 2001 at 09:40:46 PT EJ, speaking of karmic comeuppance.. some might say we just got ours.. [ Post Comment ] Comment #6 posted by MikeEEEEE on October 03, 2001 at 09:26:57 PT Terrorism of a different sort Going after Grannies isn't a good use of resources: really heartless people do this. [ Post Comment ] Comment #5 posted by Patrick on October 03, 2001 at 09:07:27 PT Hand is quicker than the eye While everyone is focused on the War on Terrorism, the War on Drugs continues. Government slight of hand at work. The DEA still has a 20 bllion dollar budget. Did you all expect anything less once the zealots recovered from their initial shock of 9/11?We have been hearing for years about about the ability to fight more than one war at a time. Well here we go. Now the DEA is simply adopting the new secretive tactics of the terrorist hunt. And I had hoped this tragic event would bring enlightment and tolerance for others.Reporter: Who is in jail? Goverment: Can't discuss that.Reporter: Why were they arrested? Government: Can't discuss that. Next question please.Reporter: Is it true that you seized 32 marijuana plants? Government: Court records are sealed. Our investigation is under way and we cannot discuss the case.Reporter: What can you tell us? Government: Do as we say or suffer the wrath of the new sheriff in town. Sheriff ASA at your service maam.Reporter: Oh boy, I think I need a pain killer. Government: Hey guys, she doesn't have her perscription papers with her. Book her Dano for posessing a controlled substance without the proper paperz. click of handcuffs, maam you have the right to remain silent and in jail until we are done with you. anything you say or do will be used against you in a court that will not tolerate marijuana plants or its use. if you do not have a lawyer, one of our government anti-marijuana lawyers will be provided for you. you will pay for your self-indulgence, freedom, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. Perscription cannabis my arse maam. [ Post Comment ] Comment #4 posted by E_Johnson on October 03, 2001 at 09:04:33 PT Believe in karma They get cancer too. They get arthritis, they get lupus, they get MS, they get PTSD, they get every ailment whose torments can be relived with the herb.Everyone gets their karmic comeuppance delivered to them in this world, and the DEA are no exception.Think of how badly these agents will suffer when they're not allowed to use pot to quell their nausea and/or pain because they have to pass urine tests.Then as they are puking their guts out and finding out those modern pills don't help --- Maybe one or two of them will get a clue. Who knows? [ Post Comment ] Comment #3 posted by xxdr_zombiexx on October 03, 2001 at 09:04:07 PT: Cannabis clubs need security from Terrorists, too. IF I owned or ran a cannabis club, I would be discussing security matters with a professional.Record storage and management for saftey from theft, as in this case. Possibly altering the physical structure of the entrance to the building - if possible. Like gun stores with big, cement-filled posts to prevent people from smashing vehicles (hummers, in the DEA case) into the store fronts. Perhaps install misleading airsocks to trick the heliocpter pilots.The DEA will be given the Green light by John Ashcroft to raid, terrorize, and shut down all known clubs and grow ops. This will be done under the new fad: anti-terrorist laws.Dr. Fry is lucky to even be alive. Does she own any property? All those ill and dying people are actually terrorists ...patiently biding thier time until Mark Emery gives them thier marching orders..telling them to light up in front of the nearest small child.When NATO and the US began bombing the Serbs for their similar activities towards the people of Kosovo, the bombing did not deter them from their house-to-house search and destroy missions. Same thing for the DEA and the War against peaceful pot-smoking types.The raid described here violates a standing FEDERAL injunction imposed when McCaffery initally threatened to spy on and have the licence removed from any physician who recommended cannabis to patients. The Fedral court rightly froze that crap because of the "chilling effect" it would have on the doctor-patient relationship.Keep in mind this is occuring at a time when John ashcroft, a man who hates civil rights and likes racial profiling, is pressing the government hard to let him do things that are egregiously unconstitutional. ANYTHING given to him in terms of police powers for the "terror war" will be IMMEDIATLEy used against pot smokers.These people - ashcroft/bush/cheny - they all hate you and me. The little guy. The free thinker. They hate us. They hate Tom Crosslin. They hated Donald scott. They hate B.E Williams. They hate steve Kubby. They hate Peter Mcwilliams. They hate Todd McCormaick. They hate Rene Boje. Thye will work day and night to violate our rights, sell our rights down the river of Public Emotion: screw us all while were wavin' the flag.They dream of Martial Law. [ Post Comment ] Comment #2 posted by FoM on October 03, 2001 at 08:35:03 PT Beer, Pot Subjects of Initiatives BALLOT: State must OK language before petitions circulate. The Associated Press Published: October 3, 2001 Juneau -- Marijuana use would be legal and restrictions on beer makers would be lifted under separate proposed ballot measures filed with the state Division of Elections. A measure to do away with civil and criminal penalties for people 21 or older who use marijuana or hemp products was filed by Anchorage-based Free Hemp in Alaska. Excerpts Explained http://www.mapinc.org/perl/snip.pl?18 We regret that The Anchorage Daily News has asked us not to include their complete articles in our archive. If you would like them to reconsider this policy, you can find contact information at: http://www.adn.com/adn/help2/contactus.html You may be able to find the article in question on their web site, http://www.adn.com/ We do our best to accommodate the wishes of the press and to work with and support all members of the media. It is our view that the newspapers for which we archive articles lose nothing and benefit significantly from our doing so. [ Post Comment ] Comment #1 posted by greenfox on October 03, 2001 at 08:12:51 PT Does this disgust anyone else, or just me? Well well well, it seems our FRIENDS (fiends) at the DEA are making leaps, strides, and bounds. Wonderful. So now that these SICK people have had their privacy RUTHLESSLY invaded, we will be safe now. No more grannies smoking dope. No sirrrrrrrrrrre, can't have that. Can't have drugs at all. (sips coffee). No sirreeee, that gawd damn marijuana must go, and it must go now! Down with drugs and all you dirty drug addicts and...(huff huff) this is working me up. I think I need a cigerette.sly in green, foxy in kind, (dying in an un-free country), -gf [ Post Comment ] Post Comment